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The Late Debate | 2 September · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the Life Device Show. Welcome
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  Speaker 1: to the show.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Danika DiGiorgio, joined by Caleb Bond and Liberal Waverley
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  Speaker 2: Councillor Michelle Stevenson.
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  Speaker 1: Hello to you both. Good to see you.
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  Speaker 3: Hello.
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  Speaker 4: Good to see you. You're looking nice in purple.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, thank you.
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  Speaker 4: Very fresh.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you very much.
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  Speaker 4: Thank you. And what I like especially is we can
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  Speaker 4: now see Caleb's socks.
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  Speaker 5: Indeed.
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  Speaker 3: If you're sitting over here, you can get the full-blown
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  Speaker 3: sock cam.
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  Speaker 5: We can't see your shoes, though.
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  Speaker 1: We might do a Caleb Bond cam.
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  Speaker 5: Hey!
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  Speaker 3: Hey! I reckon if we screen grab that and put
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  Speaker 3: it on the internet, that'll go well.
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  Speaker 1: Look, obviously auditioning for them all en route, that's what
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  Speaker 1: we're here for.
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  Speaker 2: You gave us a bit of your leg last week, Caleb,
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  Speaker 2: and I think the viewers loved it, so I'm just
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  Speaker 2: trying to double it.
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  Speaker 5: You got the emails too, did you?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I did, always, always. Alright, let's get into it.
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  Speaker 2: Coming up tonight, Labor adds fuel to the fire, pill
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  Speaker 2: testing is becoming permanent in New South Wales.
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  Speaker 1: What could possibly go wrong? Should kids go to school
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  Speaker 1: four days a week? A Sydney school is set to
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  Speaker 1: trial it.
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  Speaker 2: And an iconic UK pale ale rebrands its logo to
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  Speaker 2: a hipster wearing a beard in an attempt to woo
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  Speaker 2: Gen Z.
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  Speaker 1: What's the old saying? Go woke, go broke.
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  Speaker 2: But first, Victorian Labor has opened the door to raising
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  Speaker 2: the age of criminal responsibility to 14. Now, the plan
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  Speaker 2: was scrapped by former Premier Jacinta Allen... who said it
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  Speaker 2: was not appropriate amid the state's worsening youth crime crisis
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  Speaker 2: and the age of criminal responsibility was raised from 10
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  Speaker 2: to 12 instead. But a change is back on the agenda,
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  Speaker 2: as outlined in the ALP's latest policy document platform, reviving
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  Speaker 2: a commitment first made by Daniel Andrews. It says Labor
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  Speaker 2: will continue to acknowledge the UN Convention on the Rights
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  Speaker 2: of the Child and as a matter of policy, propose
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  Speaker 2: it at an appropriate time to raise the minimum age
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  Speaker 2: of criminal responsibility to 14.
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  Speaker 1: But the Premier, Ben Carroll, denies it.
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  Speaker 4: Looking to raise the age of criminal responsibility to 14.
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  Speaker 5: No.
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  Speaker 4: In terms of the policy document, though, that was online,
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  Speaker 4: it's an appropriate time to raise the minimum age of
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  Speaker 4: criminal responsibility to 14.
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  Speaker 6: I know Heidi's been at them, but please, come to
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  Speaker 6: a Labor Party conference whenever you like.
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  Speaker 4: I've been at many over the past 30 years.
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  Speaker 6: And I've seen these policies get developed and not implemented
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  Speaker 6: as well.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, quite a turnaround from a man who praised the
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  Speaker 2: policy document that proposed it in the first place.
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  Speaker 1: The opposition was on the front foot.
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  Speaker 7: This is just another example of what Ben Carroll will
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  Speaker 7: say before an election compared to what he will do
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  Speaker 7: after an election. And the revelation of this Labor Party
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  Speaker 7: blueprint for the next term of government just demonstrates that
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  Speaker 7: they plan to be weak on crime.
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  Speaker 2: Now, let's be honest, Labor's ethos has always been rehabilitation first,
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  Speaker 2: punishment last. Now, I'm not suggesting that rehabilitation is not
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  Speaker 2: an important part of this, but, you know, with that
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  Speaker 2: comes what about punishment? Now, there are a lot of
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  Speaker 2: kids who come from broken homes, they have been pushed
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  Speaker 2: in the wrong direction, they're hanging out with the wrong crowd,
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  Speaker 2: but we've got to start teaching them a lesson because
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  Speaker 2: we already know that the court system is letting victims down,
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  Speaker 2: particularly Victorians down, These kids are out there committing crimes.
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  Speaker 2: They're going into the prison system. They get a slap
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  Speaker 2: on the wrist from a magistrate. They are set free
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  Speaker 2: on bail or they're just handed a, you know, nothing punishment.
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  Speaker 2: And this cycle of crime continues. So the thought of
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  Speaker 2: then raising the age of criminal responsibility means that more
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  Speaker 2: and more young kids are being let off the hook. Now,
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  Speaker 2: I personally do not buy this Dolly Incapax argument where
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  Speaker 2: a child is incapable of evil.
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  Speaker 1: I think that that's a load of bullocks.
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  Speaker 2: I think if you were swinging a machete around, for example,
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  Speaker 2: you know exactly what you were doing. But it's more
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  Speaker 2: denials from Labor in a state where more than half
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  Speaker 2: of all carjackings and home invasions were committed by youth
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  Speaker 2: offenders last year.
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  Speaker 5: It's just ridiculous.
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  Speaker 3: Look, if a child doesn't know by the age of
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  Speaker 3: 12 right from wrong.
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  Speaker 5: And notwithstanding.
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  Speaker 3: Children make mistakes, as do we all make mistakes. But,
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  Speaker 3: you know, some of us make mistakes by, you know,
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  Speaker 3: stealing $ 2 from our parents. Others make mistakes in the
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  Speaker 3: form of wielding machetes or pinching cars and hooning around
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  Speaker 3: in them.
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  Speaker 5: It's rather different.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, if you don't know by the age of 12,
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  Speaker 3: that it's wrong to stab someone, then I'm sorry, there
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  Speaker 3: is nothing we can do to help you. That is
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  Speaker 3: just the most basic level of right and wrong. So
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  Speaker 3: we say, OK, 1213 potentially don't understand this stuff. So
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  Speaker 3: we're going to make it 14. I just don't buy.
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  Speaker 5: It for a minute. Now, of course, Mr Carroll says, oh, well,
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  Speaker 5: it's just in the document. We're not going to follow
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  Speaker 5: through on it.
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  Speaker 3: Why then is it part of the Labor Party's policy platform?
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  Speaker 3: If you don't intend to do it, it doesn't need
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  Speaker 3: to be there in the first place. But I don't
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  Speaker 3: buy the argument for a minute that the age of
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  Speaker 3: responsibility needs to be raised to 14 because kids of
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  Speaker 3: 12 and 13 don't know what's going on. By the
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  Speaker 3: age of seven, most children go through or enter what
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  Speaker 3: is known as the age of reason, which is when
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  Speaker 3: they really start to understand logic. And having the ability
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  Speaker 3: to understand logic, they can start to seriously understand right
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  Speaker 3: from wrong. I mean, there's good evidence that children from
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  Speaker 3: the age of two understand right from wrong, but in
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  Speaker 3: a very basic way, and they don't necessarily understand the
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  Speaker 3: concept of rules. But by seven, that stuff is solidifying
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  Speaker 3: in a kid's brain. So if you've not worked out
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  Speaker 3: by 12 or 13... that you can't go hoon around
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  Speaker 3: in a pinched car and knock someone else off the
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  Speaker 3: road and kill them, then you've got something seriously wrong
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  Speaker 3: and you ought to be in jail.
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  Speaker 4: Well, look, as someone on this panel actually has a child,
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  Speaker 4: a 13-year-old, I can say that it is really tough
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  Speaker 4: for these kids. And when you look at the data,
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  Speaker 4: the data says that children aged between 10 and 12,
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  Speaker 4: if they enter the system, the criminal justice system, they
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  Speaker 4: are 86% more likely to re-offend. Now, that's a really
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  Speaker 4: high statistic. I don't think it's about being soft on crime.
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  Speaker 4: What I think the real issue is here, we need
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  Speaker 4: to be looking at the parents and what the parents
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  Speaker 4: are doing. I think at some point we have to
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  Speaker 4: hold accountability somewhere, and it should be the parents, because
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  Speaker 4: someone needs to be taking care of these children. I guess, yes,
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  Speaker 4: some of them are coming from broken homes, But at
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  Speaker 4: the end of the day, where are their parents in
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  Speaker 4: all of this? Now, I think there's two issues here.
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  Speaker 4: I think there's that, but there's also the conversation about
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  Speaker 4: Labor and Victorian Labor who have form in this area.
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  Speaker 4: What they do time and time again, they say they're
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  Speaker 4: not going to do something and then they do it.
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  Speaker 4: So I think Jess Hill was right to call it out.
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  Speaker 4: I think they should be having better conversations. Victoria is
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  Speaker 4: in a state of crisis when it comes to these issues,
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  Speaker 4: but I think we need to be having expanded conversations
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  Speaker 4: about who the real responsibility lies with.
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  Speaker 2: Look, I don't disagree that parents need to have responsibility.
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  Speaker 1: I absolutely agree. And in most cases I think to myself,
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  Speaker 1: where are the parents? Why isn't little Johnny at home
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  Speaker 1: at 8 o'clock at night?
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  Speaker 5: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 2: Is a parent not going, oh, you know, son, your
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  Speaker 2: dinner's on the table but he's not home because he's
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  Speaker 2: out committing a carjacking. I totally agree with that. But
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  Speaker 2: what message does it send to victims if they raise
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  Speaker 2: the age of criminal responsibility? It's basically saying, you know what,
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  Speaker 2: if your house gets broken into or your car gets carjacked,
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  Speaker 2: too bad.
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  Speaker 1: Agreed.
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  Speaker 2: The kid didn't know right from wrong. You know, he's
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  Speaker 2: 12 years old, so don't worry. There's nothing we can
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  Speaker 2: do about it.
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  Speaker 4: Well, look, and I'm not saying that. And we have
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  Speaker 4: seen in Queensland, once they lowered the age, they did
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  Speaker 4: see a drop in crime rate. I do think there
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  Speaker 4: are nuances, though, in this conversation, because children are quite young.
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  Speaker 4: Let me tell you, as someone who has a 13-year-old...
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  Speaker 4: I could not imagine him being able to comprehend hurting
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  Speaker 4: someone or even understand what the consequences of that are.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, he does know right from wrong, he does
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  Speaker 4: have high EQ, but that's also because we raise him right,
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  Speaker 4: we know where he is. So that's where I think
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  Speaker 4: we need to have bigger conversations about this. Do I
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  Speaker 4: think 10 is really young to be sending someone to
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  Speaker 4: jail and putting them in a criminal justice system?
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 4: But I also do understand the opposite side of it.
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  Speaker 3: But if a 13-year-old commit to carjacking or stab someone
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  Speaker 3: with a machete or something of that nature, should they
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  Speaker 3: be prosecuted for it?
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  Speaker 4: I do, but, like, at the end of the day,
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  Speaker 4: as in Victoria already, they have to prove that they understand.....
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  Speaker 4: they understood the consequences of their actions. So, already, that...
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  Speaker 4: And that falls from under 14. So, already, they have
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  Speaker 4: to prove this.
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  Speaker 3: But if you make it 14 is the age of
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  Speaker 3: criminal responsibility, there's nothing to be proved because you can't
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  Speaker 3: prosecute them.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 5: So, should it be 14 or not?
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  Speaker 4: I don't know if it should be 14, but I
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  Speaker 4: do know, all I know, is that I think 10
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  Speaker 4: is very, very young. But, unfortunately, that is all states.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I look at a case in New South Wales,
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  Speaker 2: for example. There was a kid who was 11 years
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  Speaker 2: old and he faced a court in regional New South
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  Speaker 2: Wales for the 70th time in his life.
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  Speaker 4: And, look, that is irresponsible. I think if you're re-offending...
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  Speaker 4: like at least over five times, what is going on,
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  Speaker 4: clearly there is a disconnect in the system up there.
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  Speaker 5: Well, maybe they should be at school.
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  Speaker 3: And if they are at school, how often would they
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  Speaker 3: be there? And interesting little stories popped up In Sydney,
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  Speaker 3: Lucas Heights Community School, which is a K-12 school, so
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  Speaker 3: a big school right through from kindergarten all the way through.
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  Speaker 5: I went to a school like that in Adelaide.
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  Speaker 3: It's quite good, actually, because it means you get to
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  Speaker 3: stay with the same schoolmates and whatever, but maybe you
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  Speaker 3: won't see them as often if you go to the
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  Speaker 3: Lucas Heights Community School. Because they're now proposing for year
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  Speaker 3: 11 and 12 students that they can have Thursday off.
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  Speaker 5: They would have a four-day school week.
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  Speaker 3: This came across the desk of Ben Fordham and Mark
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  Speaker 3: Levy at 2GB. They revealed some of the details this morning.
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  Speaker 8: We're proposing four regular days each week where students are
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  Speaker 8: on campus from 8.20 until 3. On each Thursday, we're
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  Speaker 8: proposing a flexible learning day at home. And the principal
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  Speaker 8: says 61% of parents indicated support for introducing a flexible
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  Speaker 8: learning day on Thursdays. Additionally, 19% of parents responded maybe.
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  Speaker 3: 20% said no.
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  Speaker 8: The principal says we've carefully considered the concerns raised, particularly
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  Speaker 8: around transport. 93% of our staff are in favour of
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  Speaker 8: the change. And she goes on to say there's also
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  Speaker 8: strong student support.
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  Speaker 3: Now, I honestly don't have a particular issue with a
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  Speaker 3: school if it has the support of the parents doing
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  Speaker 3: something like this. In general, I think schools ought to
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  Speaker 3: have more autonomy and in order to serve the communities
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  Speaker 3: that they are in, and that means taking direction from parents.
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  Speaker 3: And if parents agree with the idea and say that
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  Speaker 3: they are happy with it, because, of course, it's parents
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  Speaker 3: who will have to potentially bear the brunt of any
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  Speaker 3: of this because, you know, kids are more likely to
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  Speaker 3: be at home or whatever, right? And bearing in mind
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  Speaker 3: we're talking about Year 11 and 12 students here and
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  Speaker 3: they should be able to fend.
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  Speaker 5: For themselves by this stage.
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  Speaker 3: If the parents are on board, On a case-by-case basis,
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  Speaker 3: I don't have a.
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  Speaker 5: Problem with schools doing it. I'm not saying it should happen.
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  Speaker 3: Across the board, but if the parents of the school
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  Speaker 3: are on board with it, I think schools should be
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  Speaker 3: empowered to make more of their own decisions.
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  Speaker 4: I completely disagree. I mean, we saw how bad it
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  Speaker 4: was with COVID and children's learning capabilities. And not only that,
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  Speaker 4: with COVID, children not being in the classroom and not
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  Speaker 4: having that tactile experience to their peers and to other people...
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  Speaker 4: It really has stunted the growth of a whole generation
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  Speaker 4: of children. I know that this is only one day,
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  Speaker 4: but one day leads to another day, leads to another day.
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  Speaker 4: We already have an issue with childhood obesity and children
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  Speaker 4: not being able to front up for school when they're
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  Speaker 4: meant to because of the repercussions of COVID. And I
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  Speaker 4: think this is just going to embed that further.
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  Speaker 1: I'm with you all the way.
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  Speaker 2: We saw what happened during COVID. and how detrimental it
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  Speaker 2: was to the health and wellbeing of children.
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  Speaker 1: Plus, you know what? Why wouldn't you want to go
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  Speaker 1: to school?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: What else are you going to do? Seriously, what else
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  Speaker 2: are you going to do? Go and spend your day
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  Speaker 2: at the mall?
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  Speaker 1: Go shopping? Go to movies? No, go to school. Go
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  Speaker 1: and learn.
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  Speaker 2: Go and sit in a classroom. Go and sit with
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  Speaker 2: your peers. Go to a PE class. Play some sport.
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  Speaker 2: Go and do some athletics.
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  Speaker 1: Get healthy. Get fit. Have some fun with your peers.
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  Speaker 1: They're kids. These are the most informative years of your life.
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  Speaker 1: When you become an adult, things change. Go to school.
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  Speaker 1: Go and learn. OK.
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  Speaker 5: So did you have free periods when you were in
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  Speaker 5: high school? Yes.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, exactly.
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  Speaker 5: Free periods, as in? Yes.
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  Speaker 4: Like a free period off. Like a period off.
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  Speaker 5: Where you don't have any lessons.
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  Speaker 1: No, we didn't have that.
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  Speaker 5: Oh, well, I did. Michelle did.
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  Speaker 3: What if you just rolled them all into one day
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  Speaker 3: instead of having a free period on a Monday and
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  Speaker 3: a free period on a Tuesday and a free.
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  Speaker 5: Period on a Wednesday? Because it will never work. I
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  Speaker 5: never had a free period.
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  Speaker 1: Clearly I was done it.
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  Speaker 5: Well, yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Or maybe you went to the library like you were
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  Speaker 4: meant to.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, probably.
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  Speaker 3: But I honestly don't see, like I had in year 12,
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  Speaker 3: there was a day where I didn't, start lessons until
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  Speaker 3: after lunchtime because that is.
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  Speaker 1: Wait, sorry, you didn't go to school until after lunch?
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  Speaker 5: I didn't have any lessons until after lunchtime.
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  Speaker 1: I have never heard of this.
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  Speaker 4: Is this.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I went to school in WA. This was
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  Speaker 1: definitely not a WA thing.
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  Speaker 4: Did you go to public school or private?
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  Speaker 5: Public.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 1: Public school.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I went to public.
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  Speaker 5: There was a day where I didn't have.
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  Speaker 3: I forget how many subjects I did in Year 12...
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  Speaker 3: because you had to do more subjects if you wanted
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  Speaker 3: an ATAR, which I did.
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  Speaker 5: But there were free periods where you didn't have lessons.
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  Speaker 3: And I think it was a Wednesday. I didn't have
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  Speaker 3: any lessons until after lunchtime. Now, if you said all
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  Speaker 3: the free periods are on a Thursday... Keep in mind,
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  Speaker 3: they're not closing the school on a Thursday. The school
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  Speaker 3: is open for the kids to go there. There just
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  Speaker 3: aren't any structured lessons. If they want to go and
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  Speaker 3: do their study or whatever, if they want to do
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  Speaker 3: it at home, if they want to do it at school.
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  Speaker 5: I don't see what the issue is.
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  Speaker 1: The kids are not studying at home. No, they're not.
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  Speaker 5: But if the parents are on board with it, so
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  Speaker 5: the parents are wrong.
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  Speaker 4: But not every parent is going to be on board
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  Speaker 4: with this.
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  Speaker 5: No, but the majority of the parents. If you don't
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  Speaker 5: like the ethos of that, you send them to another school.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, but then the problem is you've got parents who
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  Speaker 4: aren't on board with it, and then what are they
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  Speaker 4: meant to be doing?
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  Speaker 5: Like.
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  Speaker 4: Childcare is expensive. They need someone to be watching their kids.
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  Speaker 5: You're not going to put a Year 11 student in childcare.
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  Speaker 4: Well, like, someone has to take care of the kids.
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  Speaker 5: We're talking about 17, 18-year-olds.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, but still there's, like, issues around who's taking care
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  Speaker 4: of the kids, who's got an eye on the kids,
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  Speaker 4: who's like, I mean, I don't want to leave my
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  Speaker 4: child who's in Year 11 alone on their own for
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  Speaker 4: a full day, soon to be three-day, like a three-day weekend, essentially.
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  Speaker 4: And then what are they going to be doing? We
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  Speaker 4: know what they're going to be doing.
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  Speaker 5: You wouldn't leave a year... How old are you? Year 11?
• 14:40
  Speaker 4: No, no, no. I will leave my child alone on
• 14:43
  Speaker 4: his own. What I'm saying, we know what children of
• 14:46
  Speaker 4: that age are doing when they have no parental supervision.
• 14:50
  Speaker 5: Do we? What are they doing? If there's no parental supervision,
• 14:53
  Speaker 5: how do you know it didn't happen?
• 14:54
  Speaker 4: Caleb, do you remember what it was like to be
• 14:55
  Speaker 4: that age?
• 14:56
  Speaker 5: Yeah, of course I do. But I don't think I
• 14:58
  Speaker 5: was going that mad during the school week.
• 15:00
  Speaker 1: You were very studious, aren't you?
• 15:01
  Speaker 5: I don't think I was going that mad.
• 15:02
  Speaker 1: You were very studious.
• 15:03
  Speaker 5: You know, I honestly.
• 15:04
  Speaker 3: If the parents are on board with it, I don't
• 15:05
  Speaker 3: see why we're dictating to the parents, 61% of whom.
• 15:09
  Speaker 5: At that school.
• 15:09
  Speaker 1: I disagree.
• 15:10
  Speaker 4: we' re telling them, no, actually, you're wrong.
• 15:11
  Speaker 2: You know what? You only go to school once in
• 15:13
  Speaker 2: your life. It is an experience you have once in
• 15:15
  Speaker 2: your life.
• 15:16
  Speaker 5: It always is.
• 15:17
  Speaker 1: Some people don't.
• 15:18
  Speaker 2: You have an opportunity to go to school once you graduate,
• 15:22
  Speaker 2: once you become an adult, you do whatever the heck
• 15:24
  Speaker 2: you like, right? I mean, we've already got issues with
• 15:26
  Speaker 2: working from home.
• 15:26
  Speaker 4: Right now in the workforce. That's what I was saying.
• 15:28
  Speaker 2: We do not need a whole new generation that expects
• 15:31
  Speaker 2: they have to have one day off a week or
• 15:32
  Speaker 2: they have to have a day off.
• 15:33
  Speaker 5: To do this. That's exactly why I say.
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: That's a precedent, Taylor.
• 15:36
  Speaker 3: Exactly why I say it should not be across the
• 15:38
  Speaker 3: board and it should not be compulsory.
• 15:40
  Speaker 5: It's a school-by-school decision.
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: Well, speaking.
• 15:42
  Speaker 5: For parents and students to make.
• 15:44
  Speaker 4: Well, speaking of what kids could be getting up to
• 15:47
  Speaker 4: if they're not at school, New South Wales government is
• 15:49
  Speaker 4: set to resume pill testing at music festivals from October. Now,
• 15:53
  Speaker 4: they're not going to roll this out to a wider community,
• 15:56
  Speaker 4: but it is going to be..... it' s going to be
• 15:59
  Speaker 4: all around the music festivals. They did trial this, and
• 16:02
  Speaker 4: so they've brought it back. Now, 1,800 people used this
• 16:06
  Speaker 4: service while they were trialling it, and 1,500 samples were taken.
• 16:10
  Speaker 4: And they did say that urgent drug-related presentations did fall. Now,
• 16:14
  Speaker 4: here's Ryan Park, the New South Wales Health Minister.
• 16:16
  Speaker 6: Around 8% of the substances that we checked were not
• 16:22
  Speaker 6: what the person thought they were.
• 16:25
  Speaker 5: So that's close to one in ten.
• 16:27
  Speaker 6: So if you have a think about that, that is
• 16:29
  Speaker 6: a person, often a young person, going to the festival
• 16:32
  Speaker 6: thinking they've got A. We've found, in one in ten cases,
• 16:35
  Speaker 6: close to, that it's actually B.
• 16:39
  Speaker 4: Now, I do think that the data is a little
• 16:41
  Speaker 4: bit light on here, so we can't really form a
• 16:44
  Speaker 4: solid opinion on whether this works or not. Kelly Sloan,
• 16:47
  Speaker 4: leader of the opposition, has a different stance.
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: I'm very empathetic to those who've lost young people at
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: music festivals.
• 16:56
  Speaker 4: We need to do everything we possibly can to stop that.
• 16:59
  Speaker 4: We have a different.
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: Idea about how you do that, and that is a
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: zero-tolerance approach.
• 17:04
  Speaker 4: Now, I do understand where she's coming from. Don't normalise it.
• 17:07
  Speaker 4: We need to target the dealers. 100% we need to
• 17:10
  Speaker 4: be doing that. But as someone who has been to
• 17:13
  Speaker 4: many a music festival and has seen what goes on
• 17:15
  Speaker 4: at these music festivals, these kids are already taking those
• 17:18
  Speaker 4: drugs in. These kids already have access to those drugs.
• 17:22
  Speaker 4: It is illegal. Yes, 100% it is illegal. But it's
• 17:25
  Speaker 4: like shutting the barn door once the horse is bolted.
• 17:28
  Speaker 4: The horse is already out and the horse is having
• 17:30
  Speaker 4: a great time. But what we need to be cautious
• 17:32
  Speaker 4: of is the safety of our youth. Fentanyl is rising
• 17:36
  Speaker 4: in numbers in a lot of these drugs and these
• 17:39
  Speaker 4: people will die, these kids will die from even having
• 17:42
  Speaker 4: a small amount of fentanyl. We have to be able
• 17:44
  Speaker 4: to give them the tools that will help them make
• 17:47
  Speaker 4: better decisions. And once they make those better decisions, Once
• 17:51
  Speaker 4: they do take those drugs to get them tested, they
• 17:53
  Speaker 4: are then having their first point of contact with someone
• 17:57
  Speaker 4: who can maybe guide them away from taking the drugs
• 17:59
  Speaker 4: in the first place. And I know you guys are
• 18:01
  Speaker 4: going to disagree with me on this one.
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, what happens if they get hooked on
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: drugs because it's been cleared at a pill testing.
• 18:09
  Speaker 4: That's not why people get hooked on drugs.
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: But once they've had a taste of it and they go, oh,
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: you know what, I like the high that this gives
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: me so I'm going to then try other things.
• 18:19
  Speaker 4: Outside and keep going and going. Chances are they've already
• 18:22
  Speaker 4: taken that drug before they've taken it into a festival.
• 18:24
  Speaker 4: They're not going to for the very first time like
• 18:27
  Speaker 4: test themselves against police and sniffer dogs. for the very
• 18:31
  Speaker 4: first time for a drug, chances are they've had that
• 18:33
  Speaker 4: drug before.
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: But does this not lull them into a false sense
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: of security?
• 18:37
  Speaker 5: God, no.
• 18:38
  Speaker 4: They still have to run through, like, a wall of police.
• 18:41
  Speaker 4: They have to run through sniffer dogs. I have a
• 18:43
  Speaker 4: huge issue with sniffer dogs as well because nine times
• 18:46
  Speaker 4: out of ten, they don't actually find any drugs and
• 18:49
  Speaker 4: they create a fear where kids actually take too many
• 18:52
  Speaker 4: drugs before they walk in because they have to get
• 18:54
  Speaker 4: rid of them.
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: But isn't that, again, personal responsibility then? Agreed.
• 18:59
  Speaker 4: But these people aren't making the decisions.
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: We can't just say no to sniffer dogs because then
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: we may risk kids taking more tablets.
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: But it's okay if you bring tablets.
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: Into the actual music festival, we'll test them for you
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: and then you can take them regardless. Look, my concern
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: is I worry a few things. Firstly, drug dealers would
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: be looking at this tonight going, yay, this is fantastic news.
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: Great news for drug dealers, because basically they may as
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: well just say that drugs are legal at this point.
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: There are a reason that substances are illegal. And I
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: do worry, as I said, that they are harmful and
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: it is going to lull kids into a false sense
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: of security instead of saying, is this going to harm me?
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: They go, well, I've got it pill tested, so I'm
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: just going to keep taking pills anyway. Australia just recorded
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: the deadliest year for drug overdoses. And the other issue
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: I have is, especially in New South Wales, why are taxpayers.
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: Paying for this? Why on earth?
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: I would be very curious to do a poll of
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: taxpayers to ask them how many of them overall would
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: be satisfied with their money going towards pill testing in
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: this state.
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: It is a fact of life that people take illicit drugs.
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: It's also a fact of life that people commit traffic offences.
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: But we don't sort of say, well, you know, we'll
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: give you some leeway on the road as long as
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: you maybe do this.
• 20:16
  Speaker 5: You know, you caught speeding, but if you did it
• 20:17
  Speaker 5: in the right hand lane... If you're on the road,
• 20:19
  Speaker 5: you could kill someone else... no- one else on the road,
• 20:21
  Speaker 5: then it's OK.
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: No, no, but someone who has drugs at a festival
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: may well be supplying them to someone else, which then
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: indirectly kills them, right? It also sets up, effectively, a
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: zone of lawlessness, because if the law says.
• 20:35
  Speaker 5: No, if the law says... What's funny?
• 20:39
  Speaker 4: Well, like, the zone of lawlessness at a music festival,
• 20:41
  Speaker 4: I find that funny.
• 20:42
  Speaker 5: OK.
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: If the law says that certain drugs are illegal, which
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: is true, you then set up a big gazebo, whatever
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: it is, inside of a music festival, and you say
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: to people, bring your drugs to this particular spot to
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: have them tested, you're effectively offering a zone within that
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: music festival where you are going there, presumably on the
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: assumption that you will not be arrested for going into
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: that zone. Gazebo so you have created however many square
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: meters it is within New South Wales where you are
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: effectively Legally holding a drug because a cop is not
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: going to walk in there I mean if you've gone
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: to a zone and we know you're holding drugs why
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: should cops not be marching into those tents and confiscating
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: them on the spot because if it's illegal to have
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: them and And we know you're going in there to
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: get your drugs tested. Why is there not a copper
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: standing at the exit saying, Sonny boy, hand it over?
• 21:35
  Speaker 4: Because the whole point is for people or children or
• 21:39
  Speaker 4: young teens to make that effort to get them tested
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: so they know what they're ingesting. And nine times out
• 21:45
  Speaker 4: of ten, if they know it's unsafe, they're not going
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: to be taking it. It's also a way for them
• 21:49
  Speaker 4: to understand trust and have that first point of contact
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: with someone who might be able to point them in
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: the right direction to not take that drug. I think
• 21:59
  Speaker 4: it's really important.
• 21:59
  Speaker 5: So you're creating controlled use of illicit drugs?
• 22:01
  Speaker 4: It's not controlled use of illicit drugs.
• 22:03
  Speaker 5: It's though. Because it is in.
• 22:05
  Speaker 4: There's nothing wrong with that. But these kids are taking
• 22:07
  Speaker 4: them anyway and they're dying. And I think we have
• 22:10
  Speaker 4: a responsibility to also manage that as well.
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: But there's also no guarantee that if you have your
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: drugs tested and there's no rat sack in it.
• 22:18
  Speaker 5: that you won't get killed either.
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: I mean, some people have a reaction to an illicit
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: drug and it kills them. I mean, you know, at
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: some point you've got to take a level of personal responsibility.
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: If you want to take illicit drugs, that's your business.
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: I know people do it.
• 22:33
  Speaker 5: But if you then come a cropper from doing it,
• 22:36
  Speaker 5: it's kind of your own fault.
• 22:37
  Speaker 4: And when is it?
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: Once you open that door.
• 22:39
  Speaker 5: Yes, you took it.
• 22:40
  Speaker 4: No, but that also lacks empathy because there are a
• 22:42
  Speaker 4: lot of people who drink. There are a lot of
• 22:43
  Speaker 4: people who smoke cigarettes and they die. But those things
• 22:47
  Speaker 4: are illegal.
• 22:47
  Speaker 5: Well, if I drink myself into my grave, that was
• 22:49
  Speaker 5: my fault, wasn't it?
• 22:50
  Speaker 4: Yes, but, like, that's legal. So then why is that
• 22:53
  Speaker 4: legal but drugs aren't legal? I think you can make the.
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: Oh, come on, now you're saying that we're going to
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: make the bow that because alcohol is illegal, let's make
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: ecstasy illegal, let's make heroin legal.
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: But there are some countries... Well, you can buy ecstasy.
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: It's being treated for PTSD. I think it does work. Oh,
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: that is a very.
• 23:08
  Speaker 5: That's a completely different.
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: Taking a pill at a music festival is not the
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: same as using psilocybin and magic mushrooms or whatever that
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: they use.
• 23:16
  Speaker 5: in a medical sense.
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: They're great.
• 23:18
  Speaker 5: Well done. It's a completely different thing. No.
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: We have two legal drugs in alcohol and nicotine and
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: they cause enough damage as it is.
• 23:26
  Speaker 5: Why would we add more into the mix?
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: Because it's proven in other countries like Amsterdam that it
• 23:32
  Speaker 4: actually makes things like deaths and also crime-related..... drug- related crime less.
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: But do we want to become Amsterdam?
• 23:42
  Speaker 4: I don't know, maybe. I don't know.
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: Seems like a fun time. Walk around and all you
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: can smell is weed.
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: Seems like a fun time.
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: I don't think that that is the kind of Australia
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: that we want.
• 23:51
  Speaker 4: Look, and I'm not saying legal... Look, I'm not saying
• 23:53
  Speaker 4: legalise drugs. I don't think that they should be legalised,
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: especially marijuana. I don't think that marijuana should be legalised.
• 23:58
  Speaker 4: I think it's a very slippery slope. What I am
• 24:00
  Speaker 4: saying is that we should be protecting our youth.
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: Surely the drug testing, the pill testing, could also be
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: a slippery slope.
• 24:07
  Speaker 4: No, not really.
• 24:08
  Speaker 5: But legalising marijuana is.
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: No, because when you normalise it so everyone can smell
• 24:13
  Speaker 4: it and everyone can see it, then it does.
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: But doesn't it normalise drugs with pill testing?
• 24:18
  Speaker 4: No, the small amount of people who actually go into
• 24:21
  Speaker 4: festivals with drugs, it's actually not a lot of people.
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: Well, my concern is once you open that door, where
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: does it end?
• 24:28
  Speaker 4: I'm taking you guys to a festival.
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: I just... I couldn't do it. I would hate it.
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: I couldn't stand a festival.
• 24:33
  Speaker 4: I'm taking you to a music festival.
• 24:34
  Speaker 5: Whatever happened to Big Day Out? Big Day Out.
• 24:37
  Speaker 4: I'll take you to... It did. I'll take you to
• 24:39
  Speaker 4: Field Day. How about that? Field Day.
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: Oh, jeez.
• 24:41
  Speaker 5: Caleb, look out. What about Groovin' the Moo?
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: Groovin' the Moo is still going along. I'm taking you
• 24:47
  Speaker 4: with me, Caleb.
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: Well, look, from drugs to drinking, iconic British pale ale
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: brand Timothy Taylor has undergone a rebrand of its iconic Landlord,
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: Boltmaker and Golden Best ales in an attempt to... revive
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: itself and make it more relevant for the next generation.
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: So this was the original brand. Let's bring that picture
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: up now. Oh, we've both got them up at once.
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: So as you can see, so the original was a
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: 1920s communist worker inspired logo. This is a very salt
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: of the earth man. And on the other side, you
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: have now a bearded hipster. This is their terms, a
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: bearded hipster in order to woo Gen Z drinkers. I mean,
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: to me, he looks like he's about to give you
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: a short back and sides at the barbershop, if you
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: ask me. Now, John Ruth, who's the Secretary of the
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: Society for the Preservation of Beers, he says the rebrand
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: was jessening. 168 years of history, brand awareness, affection and loyalty.
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: Why do they think this is necessary? probably because real
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: ale is seen as not appealing to the.
• 25:51
  Speaker 5: Youth of today.
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: Y-O-O-F. That's a shocker. Goodness me.
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: Youth.
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: You've heard of the youth. Youth.
• 25:59
  Speaker 5: Youths. Youths.
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: Look, I have to agree with him. I have to
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: agree with him. This is a 160-year-old company.
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: That once prided itself on being, you know, the drink
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: for the everyday man, the man who goes and works
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: hard in the day, comes home and sinks one at night,
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: and now suddenly the brand has become a hipster with
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: a beard because, oh, no, we'd better make it a
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: rebrand and we'd better try and bring the young people
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: on board.
• 26:22
  Speaker 7: No.
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: If you're appealing to.
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: A certain type of customer, why change what works? And
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: this is what bothers me about brands because what's the
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: old saying?
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: Go woke, go broke. We saw what happened with Jaguar.
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: We saw what happened with Bud Light when it had
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: the Dylan Mulvaney saga. Just if your brand is working,
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: don't change it. And I personally think, look, I don't
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: think it's ugly. When I first heard about it, I
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: thought it was going to be the most hideous looking man.
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: He's not an ugly looking man on the front.
• 26:49
  Speaker 4: He's giving hot man vibes.
• 26:50
  Speaker 5: Why change?
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: Really? Yeah. He's a tall drinker of something and I
• 26:55
  Speaker 4: want to drink him. I mean, I'm not. Yeah, I'm
• 26:57
  Speaker 4: into it. Look, I think at the end of the day,
• 26:59
  Speaker 4: obviously they're doing it because it's not working. So they're
• 27:03
  Speaker 4: trying to do something more. I mean, I've got to say,
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: when I see the left as opposed to the right,
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: I'm into the left. And I'm not saying left, left.
• 27:11
  Speaker 4: I just mean the man who looks like a hipster.
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: I'd be less inclined to buy a pint of it
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: because of the new logo. No, seriously, if I, having
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: not heard of Timothy Taylor's landlord before... If I walked
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: into a pub and I was sizing up what was
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: on the taps and I saw the old chap there
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: in his rugby top, you know, he looks like a
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: homely sort of chap pulling a pint, versus the fella
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: on the left, I would assume that one on the
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: left was sort of some, you know, new really hoppy
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: sort of pale ale and that the one on the right,
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: I'm going to get a proper beer and I'd be
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: more inclined to buy the one on the right. Now, yes,
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: I get that they'd trying to appeal to the sort of,
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: you know, craft beer drinking Gen Z types, but it's
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: not a craft beer Gen Z.
• 28:00
  Speaker 5: Product, is it?
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: I don't understand the desire to sort of go after
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: markets that clearly your product is not for.
• 28:09
  Speaker 5: Like, just be unabashed. If you reckon you've got problems.
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: in terms of marketing your product because Gen Z wants
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: to drink these fruity beers.
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 28:17
  Speaker 5: Just go and make a fruity beer.
• 28:18
  Speaker 4: I love a fruity beer.
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: And sell them a fruity beer and then go all
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: in on, this is a proper British pint for proper
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: British flights.
• 28:26
  Speaker 5: That's how I'd be doing it.
• 28:27
  Speaker 4: But that's not how British men look anymore. But did
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: you see?
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: Sorry, can we just bring... Can we put the comparison
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: back up on the screen?
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: Because in the modern one, look at the way he's
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: even holding the beer. The guy who looks like a barber,
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: he's got his hands.
• 28:40
  Speaker 4: He's never had a beer in his life.
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: This guy has ever had a... This is his first
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: time holding a beer. And look at the way he's
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: wrapped his fingers around it, dislocating his bloody wrist.
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: I mean, it just.
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: He's a first-time beer drinker. He's been, you know, the
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: closest he's been to having a beer is a shandy.
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: He's the sort of bloke who'd be drinking all these
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: pre-mixed spirits, you know?
• 29:04
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 29:04
  Speaker 5: He'd, ooh, beer.
• 29:06
  Speaker 4: No, I hate to break it to you, he's exactly
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: what the English public looks like now.
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: What, even holding a beer like that?
• 29:14
  Speaker 4: Yes, that's how they hold beers.
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: I thought men don't hold beers.
• 29:17
  Speaker 5: People don't know how to hold a beer anymore.
• 29:19
  Speaker 4: We don't have manly man anymore. I had to break
• 29:21
  Speaker 4: it to you.
• 29:21
  Speaker 5: Oh, there you go. Well, I'll be sticking to my
• 29:24
  Speaker 5: Cooper's Pale Isle of Mauritius.
• 29:25
  Speaker 4: Of course.
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: I think, and if you're having your beer, sometimes you
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: might also have a durry with it. I'm not encouraging
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: you to do it before the health nuts start writing
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: in and complaining that I'm promoting smoking.
• 29:37
  Speaker 5: No, I'm not doing that. But if you go to
• 29:39
  Speaker 5: the pub now, I.
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: Reckon, anecdotally, you see more people smoking than you did
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: five years ago. I don't know if either of you
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: have got that impression. I get the distinct impression, walking
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: around the streets, you see people at the pub, they're
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: smoking more than they used to, even though the government
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: tells us that's absolutely not the case and that fewer
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: people are smoking than ever. Part of the reason I
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: suspect there are more people smoking, in my view, is because,
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: of course, the tobacco tax has gone through the roof,
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: which has created this big illicit tobacco market. And so
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: people are now buying their cigarettes way cheaper than they've
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: ever been able to in decades, cheaper than they've ever
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: been in decades. And, of course, what does the federal
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: government do this week? Yesterday, they put the tobacco tax
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: up again. And now for every cigarette.
• 30:22
  Speaker 8: $ 1.
• 30:22
  Speaker 4: 55 of it.
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: Is pure tax. And so that means if you go
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: and buy a packet of 20, $ 31. 05 of that is
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: tax going to the government. So you've got legal cigarette
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: packets anywhere from $ 40 up to $ 60 is now allegedly reasonable.
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: You can walk into any dodgy tobacconist on any high
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: street in the country. and buy a pack in the
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: vicinity of $ 15. If you're buying them in bulk, you
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: can get them for as cheap as $ 7 a packet.
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: The fact that the federal government has not woken up
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: yet to the fact that the tax is not working.
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 31:01
  Speaker 5: Like, basically, every state government's now said, this is.
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: A problem, the border force says it's a problem, police
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: forces say it's a problem.
• 31:09
  Speaker 5: And somehow, I know I bang this drum all.
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: The time, But somehow the federal government is still continuing
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: down the same line.
• 31:16
  Speaker 4: And we knew that it was a problem. I mean,
• 31:18
  Speaker 4: in 2023, that's when we started to see the tobacco wars.
• 31:21
  Speaker 4: Like in Victoria, we started to see things heat up.
• 31:24
  Speaker 4: And what does the government do? What is the government response?
• 31:26
  Speaker 4: We're going to hike up cigarettes even more. They've known
• 31:28
  Speaker 4: about this for the last two years and they're not
• 31:30
  Speaker 4: doing anything to curb it. And my issue is, look
• 31:34
  Speaker 4: at alcohol tax. That's going to be next. Methanol. They're
• 31:36
  Speaker 4: finding methanol in Victorian cigarettes. alcohol places. So I think
• 31:40
  Speaker 4: we really have to have a good conversation about what's
• 31:43
  Speaker 4: happening here. Take the tax.
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, 80% of tobacco consumed in Australia is now
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: bought on the black market.
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: You know Julian Hill, the Assistant Customs Minister?
• 31:53
  Speaker 5: He tells me that's wrong. That's the ABS's number, by
• 31:55
  Speaker 5: the way. This is the ABS's number that I got
• 31:56
  Speaker 5: it from. Absolutely, it's the ABS's number. He says it's wrong.
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: He's not been able to explain why it's wrong.
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: Well, Julian, maybe you've got a problem then with the
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: ABS if you can't... That's what I said to him. Jeez,
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: come on, Julian.
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: But there is a war on tobacco right now and
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: we're seeing crime because of it. We've seen shops firebombed.
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: I know it's been happening quite a lot in Melbourne.
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: We've seen a rise in underworld crime because of this demand.
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: For illicit tobacco.
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: And greedy Labor has now ramped up packets to a
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: maximum legal price of $ 60. I mean, who can afford that?
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: So people are, of course, now going to the black market.
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: I mean, isn't this an example of how, you know,
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: government greed... it has completely gone off on another planet
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: and the level of stupidity is just ridiculous. You know,
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: Albo is still refusing to cut the excise in order
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: to try and make a difference. People are going to
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: smoke cigarettes regardless, but that's just the reality. People are
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: going to smoke cigarettes, but Albo is looking for more
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: money in his own pocket.
• 32:53
  Speaker 5: And the only problem is he's not making more money.
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: And he's not making more money.
• 32:57
  Speaker 5: Because every time they put the tax up, they make
• 32:59
  Speaker 5: less money.
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 33:00
  Speaker 5: Which is ridiculous.
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: Surely if people are going to smoke, and yes, people
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: will smoke, It is better that they buy a legal,
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: regulated product instead of an illicit one that funds all
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: the grisly things that crime gangs do.
• 33:11
  Speaker 4: And I think maybe they're just, like, taking tax wherever
• 33:14
  Speaker 4: they can because they have to fund, you know, vanity projects,
• 33:17
  Speaker 4: like the $ 150 million Chris Bowen special, the pre-cop resort push,
• 33:22
  Speaker 4: with only just five leaders showing up. Let's hear what
• 33:25
  Speaker 4: Chris Bowen had to say.
• 33:27
  Speaker 5: There are people who are saying they'd like to come
• 33:29
  Speaker 5: but they're finding it difficult. There's others who say they're
• 33:30
  Speaker 5: likely to come but can't... completely confirmed. 120 international journalists
• 33:34
  Speaker 5: are coming. You're welcome.
• 33:37
  Speaker 4: Now, is Bowen hosting a climate summit or an expensive
• 33:40
  Speaker 4: party that no one wants to show up to? He's
• 33:42
  Speaker 4: really giving off those pick me vibes. Can you please
• 33:45
  Speaker 4: come to my party? And yet no one is. He
• 33:47
  Speaker 4: won't even release who is meant to be on the list.
• 33:51
  Speaker 4: So we don't even know that for sure. And when
• 33:53
  Speaker 4: Albo was questioned about the $ 150 million price tag, here's
• 33:56
  Speaker 4: what he had to say.
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: You are being so disrespectful to the Pacific leaders who
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: are here. We need to actually have some respect for
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: the process.
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: What about respect for taxpayers?
• 34:06
  Speaker 5: And respect for our Pacific leaders.
• 34:10
  Speaker 4: So that's about $ 30 million per guest that's actually decided
• 34:14
  Speaker 4: that they want to show up. Is this just a
• 34:17
  Speaker 4: waste of money or is this something we should be doing?
• 34:20
  Speaker 4: I already know what the answer is here, guys.
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, the fact, I love that Bowen said
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: there are people who are saying they like to come
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: but are finding it difficult.
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: It's like, you're right, it's like you get invited to
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: a party and, oh, I can't. I mean, how, that's
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: just absolutely tragic.
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: And for Anthony Albanese to then say, well, don't be
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: disrespectful to Pacific leaders is, Well, how about you don't
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: be disrespectful to us as the taxpayer and take us
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: for a ride on these climate journeys into the never-never
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: where we're spending $ 150 billion on what?
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: And, gee, Bowen's got it good.
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: Swan's about the globe, part-time energy minister, does cop on
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: the side and still charges us this.
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: Level of money.
• 34:58
  Speaker 4: And has a tan constantly.
• 34:59
  Speaker 5: We cop it. is what happened. Should clarify, it's five
• 35:03
  Speaker 5: non-Pacific nations. Oh, sorry, five non.
• 35:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you're right.
• 35:06
  Speaker 5: So the Pacific nations are on board. Yes, of course.
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: But beyond that, there doesn't seem to be a great
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: deal of interest.
• 35:12
  Speaker 5: What are we paying for?
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: This is because, of course, we went for the COP31
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: and we didn't get COP31. So because we didn't get
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: COP31 and it went to Turkey, who Chris Bowen previously
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: told us was on board with us hosting COP31, they
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: made him the president of negotiations, whatever the hell that means.
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: So now we have the sort of pre-COP meetings before
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: they go to the actual COP, which we can't host.
• 35:37
  Speaker 5: So what we get is the COP that you get
• 35:39
  Speaker 5: when you don't get the COP. which I think is
• 35:41
  Speaker 5: a bit of a cop-out.
• 35:42
  Speaker 4: It is an absolute cop-out.
• 35:44
  Speaker 5: It's just the whole thing is obscene. What are we
• 35:48
  Speaker 5: getting for this money?
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: We're not getting anything. What are we getting from this
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: whole renewables-only facade anyway?
• 35:53
  Speaker 5: Oh, and the $ 6 million which we talked about last night.
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: Is the cost of the hotels that they've booked over there. 5.6,
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: I think, is the total in Fiji. All these contracts
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: with the hotel companies. And they said, oh, we might
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: get some of that back from the delegates.
• 36:08
  Speaker 4: Yes, that's what they said.
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: But they've actually got to get the delegates there in
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: the first place to make any of that money back.
• 36:12
  Speaker 4: So who's paying the bill, guys? Who's paying the bill?
• 36:14
  Speaker 4: We are.
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: We're paying the bill for absolutely everything, including Labor's tax changes.
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: That's coming up next on the front page. We've got
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: the number of first-home buyers getting stamp duty plummeting in
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: one state.
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: Cheers, Jimbo. That's next. Welcome back.
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: Let's take a look at the front pages, starting with
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: the Daily Telegraph. Exclusive numbers crunch, Labor's housing spin. The
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: headline is First Home Liars. The number of first home
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: buyers getting stamp duty exemptions in New South Wales has
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: plummeted in the wake of Anthony Albanese's broken promise tax changes.
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: Exclusive new figures make a mockery of Housing Minister Claire
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: O'Neill's claim that there would be a boon for first
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: home buyers.
• 37:00
  Speaker 5: Oh.
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: And the figures come after Treasurer Jim Chalmers claimed the
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: tax hit would reduce property prices by only 2%. Instead,
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: they have plunged. So now we've got this on top
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: of rent increases. We've got first home buyers being left
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: in negative equity. What auction clearance rates in freefall?
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: What else? What could possibly go wrong?
• 37:24
  Speaker 4: I mean, you name it, we're already there, aren't we?
• 37:27
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 37:27
  Speaker 4: But also, this has always been an issue. Like, the
• 37:30
  Speaker 4: fact that first-time buyers, particularly in New South Wales, haven't
• 37:33
  Speaker 4: had access to that kind of..... that stamp duty exemption,
• 37:37
  Speaker 4: it's because the price of properties is way too high.
• 37:40
  Speaker 4: They can't even afford to actually purchase a property. So
• 37:45
  Speaker 4: I think we've got massive issues right across the board.
• 37:48
  Speaker 4: And I'm not looking forward to having to pay more
• 37:50
  Speaker 4: in rent, which is going to happen pretty shortly.
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: And no-one wants to buy at the moment because they're
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: too scared that they'll buy at the top of the
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: market and the market will keep going down. And if
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: you're a first-home buyer in particular, that's not a very
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: good place to be in. On the front of The
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: Australian tomorrow, more on this topic. Brace for an irate rise.
• 38:08
  Speaker 5: It says here.
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: Jim Chalmers has admitted his negative gearing and capital gains
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: tax reforms contributed to house prices plunging since the May budget,
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: but he vowed not to overhaul the tax policies, even
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: if they are proved to have a long-term negative impact
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: on the property market and business investment. After senior Labor
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: MP Matt Thistlethwaite said the tax hikes were, quote, part
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: of a suite of reasons that capital city house values
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: had declined over the past three months, the Treasurer said
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: it's a factor, but not the only factor. A defiant
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: Dr Chalmers refused to concede Treasury underestimated the impact of
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: the tax changes. despite capital city home values dropping by 3.7%
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: over the past quarter.
• 38:51
  Speaker 5: Yeah, right.
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: So we were told, you know, house prices will keep
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: going up, they'll just go up slower than they otherwise would.
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: Early evidence is that there's a bit of a slide happening,
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: not just a slow increase, a slide, and the Treasurer
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: refuses to say, well, actually, maybe we got the numbers wrong.
• 39:13
  Speaker 4: I'd really like to see Dr. Chalmers resume in this area.
• 39:17
  Speaker 4: I mean, could we trust him to even run a
• 39:19
  Speaker 4: Fortune 500 or be CEO of a company or even
• 39:22
  Speaker 4: crunch the numbers on any mom and pop operation? Because
• 39:26
  Speaker 4: I really don't think he's up to it.
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: No, I don't.
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: And I love what The Australian has done on The
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: the front page. They've got Jim Chalmers, the Treasurer's Economic Alibi,
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: and they've listed a whole heap, for example, house prices
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: and auction clearance rates were already softer before the budget.
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: And if you look there, Jeff.
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: Chalmers has done a great opinion piece. Now the Treasurer
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: is even blaming algorithms.
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: So what's next? He's ripping them out of a hat
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: like a magic trick. Seriously.
• 39:50
  Speaker 4: 100%. Let's go to the advertiser now. $ 800 million funding
• 39:55
  Speaker 4: cut to private colleges fuel fears of a school fee spiral.
• 40:00
  Speaker 4: South Australian private schools will be hit hard as the
• 40:03
  Speaker 4: federal government strips more than $ 800 million from more than
• 40:06
  Speaker 4: 1,000 private schools nationwide by 2029. Independent Schools Australia Chief
• 40:12
  Speaker 4: Executive Graeme Catt said cuts to private Catholic and Christian
• 40:16
  Speaker 4: schools $ 56 million in South Australia could lead to rises
• 40:21
  Speaker 4: in fees and cuts to programs. Now, I think this
• 40:24
  Speaker 4: is a bit harsh, isn't it? These schools rely on
• 40:27
  Speaker 4: this funding and to just kind of rip the rug
• 40:31
  Speaker 4: out from under them. And I know that a lot
• 40:33
  Speaker 4: of these private schools, particularly the Catholic schools, don't get
• 40:36
  Speaker 4: a lot in funding and they also don't charge a
• 40:39
  Speaker 4: lot when it comes to school fees. So, look, I
• 40:41
  Speaker 4: think this is a bit of an issue.
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: I think it's bull class warfare stuff. You know, there
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: is obviously an element of the Labor Party that is
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: opposed to the concept of private school to begin with, right?
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: And so, oh, well, you know, why are we funding
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: these private schools? They should be able to fund themselves.
• 40:59
  Speaker 3: All the money should go into public schools. The economics
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: just don't stack up because the more money you spend
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: in private schools, the less you have to spend on
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: education overall... because it is in some way subsidised by
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: the fee-paying parents. So it is more cost-effective for the
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: government to put some level of money into private schools
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: than it is to put none in at all, because
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: that would, of course, cause thousands and thousands and thousands
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: of people to send their kids off to public schools.
• 41:30
  Speaker 5: Absolutely... which we wouldn't be prepared for. It just seems
• 41:34
  Speaker 5: pig-headed and nonsensical.
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: Well, it's to the detriment of the student... because if
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: they're going to make cuts to programming because of it
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: or fees are going to have to go up, well,
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: that's the detriment to the kids. Absolutely.
• 41:45
  Speaker 4: And I have to say, I sent my son to
• 41:47
  Speaker 4: a private Catholic school because the local public school just
• 41:53
  Speaker 4: is inadequate and there's not enough funding going around. So
• 41:56
  Speaker 4: sticking with its TISA, Council CBD Traffic Plan Madness, commuters
• 42:01
  Speaker 4: traversing the CBD could face increases of up to seven
• 42:05
  Speaker 4: times the current peak hour traffic on major roads. If
• 42:08
  Speaker 4: a proposed to increase green space and pedestrian and bike
• 42:11
  Speaker 4: paths in the Light Square is approved by Adelaide City Council. Now,
• 42:16
  Speaker 4: former councillor and declared Lord Mayoral candidate Henry Davis has
• 42:20
  Speaker 4: labelled the plan absolute madness. But I do have to ask, well,
• 42:24
  Speaker 4: you can tell us this, Caleb. What is traffic life
• 42:29
  Speaker 4: in the CBD in Adelaide?
• 42:31
  Speaker 5: Pretty bad at peak hour. Is it? Like every CBD, yes.
• 42:34
  Speaker 5: Is it? People do actually live in Adelaide.
• 42:36
  Speaker 4: I know, but I feel like the roads are quite big.
• 42:38
  Speaker 4: Every time I go to Adelaide, the roads are quite wide.
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: Well, King William Street is reasonably wide, but a lot
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: of the through streets in the CBD are one lane
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: each way. I mean, can you imagine having your peak
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: hour travel home.
• 42:55
  Speaker 5: Increased by seven times through the city?
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: Like, all you're trying to do is get out of
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: work and some nut sitting in an office somewhere says,
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: we should have more bike lanes.
• 43:05
  Speaker 5: That'll really help.
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: I mean, go and look at Melbourne if you want
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: to know how this ends up. I mean, the bike
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: lanes that they've put through the guts of Melbourne, where,
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: of course, they have the trams as well, and two
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: lanes of traffic gets turned into one. Someone reverse parallel
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: parks their car and the whole load of traffic gets
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: held up. It's just an absolute joke.
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: Well, hopefully Clover Moore's not looking at the front page.
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: Well, she loves a bike lane. She loves a bike lane.
• 43:31
  Speaker 4: I like a bike lane too. Hey, spoiler alert, I
• 43:34
  Speaker 4: like a bike lane.
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: Oh, gosh, good grief.
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: Let's take a look now at the Courier Mail. States'
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: AI power move. Queenslanders' power bills will be made cheaper
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: under Premier David Crissifulli's promise... to make data centres pay
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: to set up in the state. The Premier also vowed
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: AI sites would not be allowed in built up areas.
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: Well, you know what?
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: If it's going to mean cheaper bills, I say go
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: for it personally. I'm all for it then.
• 44:00
  Speaker 5: Yeah, sounds fair enough.
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: You know, I think it's a sensible middle road to
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: this stuff. You know, you've got to pay your fair
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: share to come in. We'll put that back into people's
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: power bills to slash them.
• 44:11
  Speaker 5: We won't have them in the suburbs. Makes a great
• 44:13
  Speaker 5: deal of sense to me.
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  Speaker 4: And I think it makes sense that the states are
• 44:15
  Speaker 4: actually taking care of their own ideas around these data
• 44:18
  Speaker 4: centres as well.
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  Speaker 3: On the front of the Herald Sun tomorrow, big story
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  Speaker 3: in Melbourne.
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  Speaker 5: Ruthless, of course, it says there.
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  Speaker 3: Clarko Alistair Clarkson has been sacked as the coach of
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: North Melbourne. And another story below it there. Toxic prisons crisis.
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: Exclusively from Shannon Deary. Victoria's prison system is at breaking point, quote-unquote,
• 44:38
  Speaker 3: amid a toxic culture that is driving underpaid staff out.
• 44:42
  Speaker 5: Of the job, a new report says.
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: Prison workers say they are bullied, isolated and humiliated by
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: prisoners and colleagues, warning that a mass exodus of staff
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: would leave the state's justice system exposed. Aren't these people
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: meant to be sort of, you know, maintaining the order
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: in prisons? And they're the ones being bullied by the
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: prisoners and clearly something is completely out of whack.
• 45:07
  Speaker 5: Same as the police force.
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: They've got a big problem in terms of getting numbers there.
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: They've got problems in the prisons as well. And we
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: wonder why we end up with, you know, judges and
• 45:15
  Speaker 3: magistrates making decisions about bail and saying, well, hang on,
• 45:18
  Speaker 3: I can't send anyone to the prison because it's full
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: and there's not enough staff and on and on it goes.
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: And as we say every night, it's just another day
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: in Victoria.
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  Speaker 1: I was literally.
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  Speaker 4: About to say the same thing.
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  Speaker 2: We need a special little sting for that.
• 45:32
  Speaker 5: We do.
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: All right, we're going to take a quick break.
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: Coming up, most brides fear rain on their wedding day,
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  Speaker 2: but for one couple, they basked in it.
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  Speaker 1: That's next. Welcome back.
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  Speaker 2: Well, most couples would be quite concerned about rain on
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: their wedding day, but this couple actually got married in floodwaters.
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  Speaker 1: It happened in the Philippines.
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  Speaker 2: This is Leanne Liza Galang, who wadded through murky brown
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  Speaker 2: water inside a Baptist church to marry her husband, Gilbert Chico.
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  Speaker 2: They'd been advised to put off their wedding because of
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: month-long floods in Southeast Asia, but they decided to go.
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  Speaker 1: Ahead with it anyway.
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  Speaker 4: Throw her a lifeline.
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  Speaker 2: Look, I mean, look, they're going to be together forever.
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  Speaker 2: If you can survive something like this, then, you know,
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: good on them. They're obviously in love and it doesn't matter,
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: I suppose, as long as you're happy. It doesn't matter
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  Speaker 2: what it looks like.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, you know, it shows how strong their love is.
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: Clearly they.
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  Speaker 5: They couldn't wait to get married.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe they, you know, no sex before marriage and they said, actually,
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  Speaker 3: we can't go another day. We'll wade through the floodwaters
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: so we can have the opportunity to consummate the marriage.
• 46:36
  Speaker 5: But that's daddy's dedication. That's dedication. They set the date.
• 46:41
  Speaker 5: They planned it all out.
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  Speaker 3: They knew when they wanted to do it and they
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: stuck to it. I like the bloody-mindedness of myself.
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: What if it was cold?
• 46:48
  Speaker 4: It would be really cold. But I also think they
• 46:50
  Speaker 4: say that rain is good luck on your wedding day.
• 46:52
  Speaker 4: They have loads of luck coming their way. Now, a
• 46:56
  Speaker 4: big day today. Former British Prime Minister Keir Starmer announced
• 47:00
  Speaker 4: he's stepping down as MP. That's going to force a
• 47:02
  Speaker 4: by-election in his London seat, which has long been a
• 47:05
  Speaker 4: Labor stronghold. As if we couldn't see this one coming,
• 47:09
  Speaker 4: let's take a look at some of his best bits.
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: Hello.
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  Speaker 5: I call again for an immediate ceasefire in Gaza. The
• 47:16
  Speaker 5: return of the society. The hostages.
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  Speaker 3: He is so weak, he's the first person to be
• 47:22
  Speaker 3: pushed around by the Energy Secretary. I got into a
• 47:24
  Speaker 3: lot of trouble in a primary school when an eight-year-old encouraged.
• 47:27
  Speaker 5: Me to do the 6-7 thing and the whole class
• 47:31
  Speaker 5: joined in.
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  Speaker 1: It went viral. 6-7.
• 47:38
  Speaker 4: Six, seven, melons, it's all another day in, you know,
• 47:42
  Speaker 4: Prime Minister land. I think he's the gift that we
• 47:46
  Speaker 4: had and now we're losing him. I'm so sad about it.
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: I didn't know that that sausage is gaffe. What a shocker. No,
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: I don't remember the sausages. That's the first time I've
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: seen it.
• 47:55
  Speaker 5: What a shocker. That was the best one of all. Oh,
• 47:58
  Speaker 5: what a loser. Return the sausages?
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  Speaker 1: Seriously, see a Kia, buy. His legacy is a joke.
• 48:04
  Speaker 5: Can you imagine they would have been.
• 48:05
  Speaker 3: The wire would have come through from the wire service.
• 48:09
  Speaker 3: Kia Starmer told us to return the sausage. Anyone seen
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: any sausages?
• 48:13
  Speaker 5: I mean, for good... Of all the things.
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: You're trying to make a serious point and that's what
• 48:18
  Speaker 3: comes out of your mouth. To some degree, I don't
• 48:21
  Speaker 3: envy the man, it has to be said.
• 48:23
  Speaker 5: Alright, now another entrant into the pantheon of... And look,
• 48:33
  Speaker 5: normally we have a sort of funny dope of the day.
• 48:35
  Speaker 3: This is a serious dope of the day. I mean
• 48:38
  Speaker 3: dope as in this person is just mind-boggling.
• 48:42
  Speaker 5: Take a look at this.
• 48:42
  Speaker 3: This is in Melbourne on Sunday. Now what you can
• 48:46
  Speaker 3: see there is a truck tailgating the car in front
• 48:50
  Speaker 3: of it and that car then veers off straight into
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: the safety barrier. Now allegedly what happened is that the
• 48:57
  Speaker 3: car was trying to merge into traffic. It had matched
• 49:00
  Speaker 3: the speed of the traffic and the truck allegedly did
• 49:04
  Speaker 3: nothing about it, just went straight up the backside. Can
• 49:07
  Speaker 3: you imagine, A, being that truckie, but B, being the
• 49:10
  Speaker 3: person in that car?
• 49:12
  Speaker 4: You'd be terrified.
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: Did the truck stop?
• 49:14
  Speaker 3: Well, in that footage, it seems to keep going. Just seriously,
• 49:18
  Speaker 3: it's one of those moments you'd be lucky that you're alive.
• 49:20
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you certainly would be.
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: Michelle, Caleb, thank you for tonight. Thank you to you
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  Speaker 2: at home. Coming up next is the Rita Panahy show.
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  Speaker 1: Good night.