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Headless Magical Mailbag- Arch Angel Michael Sigil and More · The Occult Rejects

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  Speaker 1: You see something's going to happen.
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  Speaker 2: What what's gonna happen?
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  Speaker 3: I'll take one?
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  Speaker 1: What what's up? Everybody? Welcome to another head listen magical
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  Speaker 1: mail bag. I got my co host Nick with me,
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  Speaker 1: and Nick tell him what's up?
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  Speaker 2: What else? What's going on? How are you sir?
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  Speaker 1: Good? Good? What events?
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  Speaker 2: Or you know?
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  Speaker 1: Shows? A guy coming up?
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  Speaker 3: Actually tonight after this, we were supposed to have on
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  Speaker 3: Animal Expeditions. He was a podcast from Charlie's Beyond Belief.
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  Speaker 3: There's another Bigfoot show. Unfortunately, uh, he had to cancel.
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  Speaker 3: But we got Juliet because Cosmic Peach was going to
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  Speaker 3: be in on this one. Uh, she's coming out and
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  Speaker 3: uh she's pulling one for the team and she's going
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  Speaker 3: to cover uh serial killers who thought they were vampires
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  Speaker 3: with something that she covered on her show for Halloween.
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  Speaker 2: I covered vampires for Halloween. So she was like, yoh,
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  Speaker 2: let's just do this instead. So people wait till after
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  Speaker 2: the fact, after the show, around nine o'clock, we will
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  Speaker 2: go live again. So check that out.
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  Speaker 1: Awesome, awesome, sounds like fun. We got to talk about
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  Speaker 1: that because we don't have a van helsing on our side.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you were just saying like you, we don't got
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  Speaker 2: a van helsig, right.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, come on, guys, let's let's get it together.
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  Speaker 1: We need at least one vampire hunter.
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  Speaker 2: You know.
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  Speaker 3: But it really doesn't even take much. You just need
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  Speaker 3: to show up, stick and some glic you know. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: you get to go and.
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  Speaker 1: If these sickos are as baddy as they seem to be,
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  Speaker 1: you know, you show up with a sharp stick and
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  Speaker 1: they'll go running away. So it'll be a fun time.
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  Speaker 1: That's up, Lucy Mancher, welcome back. But uh yeah, so
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  Speaker 1: let's see. Do you want to go first with your
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  Speaker 1: symbol earlier?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, pull it up. Let's show.
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  Speaker 3: But we got the uh so we got this seal
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  Speaker 3: of the archangel Michael the Heptameron uh manual line when
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  Speaker 3: that group when the Grimore talks about the angel of
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  Speaker 3: the Lord's Day, you mean Michael. His emblem is the
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  Speaker 3: Solomonic tradition. Uh. His emblem in the Solomonic tradition is
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  Speaker 3: a circular seal. It's a round inscribed with divine names
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  Speaker 3: on it. Like common ones are trying to pronounce, he
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  Speaker 3: is the best saba alth, the Lord of hosts uh
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  Speaker 3: Anthonatos or something like that I've screwing that up. Uh
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  Speaker 3: no Athanatos or something like that. The immortal then there's
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  Speaker 3: a should I or you know, ship s A D
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  Speaker 3: A Y and then or it could be should I
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  Speaker 3: s h A D D I A and uh yeah,
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  Speaker 3: so you can get like those words around it, and
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  Speaker 3: then in the middle you kind of get the sigil itself.
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  Speaker 3: The manuscripts gives like slightly different drawings, but the grammar
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  Speaker 3: normally stays the same. Michael's character is always in the center.
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  Speaker 2: With the holy names around it as well.
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  Speaker 3: And you can see a family of these drawings both
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  Speaker 3: in the Heptameroon tradition and that is in the and
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  Speaker 3: in the fifteenth century Munich Manual.
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  Speaker 2: So in between both of those you'll see these again.
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  Speaker 2: So go ahead, Is.
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  Speaker 1: This fourteenth century and then it was modified in the
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  Speaker 1: fifteenth century or is.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, well, thirteenth fourteenth century in the liber.
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  Speaker 3: Giatus if I'm saying that correctly, the Sowarm Book of
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  Speaker 3: honoriusk that was the thirteenth fourteenth century, you will see
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  Speaker 3: it there. So I mean, I would assume the one
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  Speaker 3: in the fifteenth might be slightly different. I mean, you
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  Speaker 3: could easily google this and see different ones but this
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  Speaker 3: is like specifically from the Hepta metrom.
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  Speaker 1: That I have. Interesting. Yeah, I'm seeing a lot of
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  Speaker 1: uh you know, uh sigils that look a lot like
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  Speaker 1: the Anakian. Yeah, John, that's why I thought that's big
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  Speaker 1: inspiration too.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it doesn't look too far off from
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  Speaker 3: like a lot of times when you see like a fuck, I.
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  Speaker 2: Forgot what it was. I just watched recently where like.
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  Speaker 3: Oh the Prophecy. Uh you remember that movie, that old
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  Speaker 3: movie I do. Yeah, guy, what's christ Christopher Walking was
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  Speaker 3: in it?
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  Speaker 2: Uh?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's playing arch angel Gabrielle. There was one point
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  Speaker 3: where there was like angel you know, because they're angels.
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  Speaker 3: This is what I thought it was funny too. I
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  Speaker 3: was like, it's just a reason to show it called symbolism.
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  Speaker 3: Somebody's supposed to be an angel and they're down in
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  Speaker 3: the fucking cave hiding out. Like just because you're an angel,
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  Speaker 3: that means you automatically start writing angelic script on the wall,
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  Speaker 3: Like I mean, who you already writing a story to yourself?
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  Speaker 2: Like you know what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 3: Like, but there was showing ship to see all these
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  Speaker 3: symbols on the wall because there's an angel here now
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  Speaker 3: it looked like a lot of this type of stuff.
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  Speaker 4: Actually you're still there, are you?
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  Speaker 2: Beauted? Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: Sorry, I'm oh okay, my bad, Yeah I was. I
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  Speaker 3: have my notes up so I can't even see. But
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  Speaker 3: uh yeah, let me continue on my notes. And where
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  Speaker 3: it comes from the long backstory, uh, Byzantine and Latin
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  Speaker 3: Grimore's hy grow mantea by wrong Elate Byzantine Magical Treaties
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  Speaker 3: of Solomon is kind of where like all these spur
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  Speaker 3: from or a lot of these later angelic magic circled
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  Speaker 3: names this time supposedly a lot of them do possibly
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  Speaker 3: come from that book. That material fed into Latin books
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  Speaker 3: in the fifteenth century and set the stage for the
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  Speaker 3: seals you see in the early modern europe Ones for
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  Speaker 3: the most part. Then you go onto Liba Geratus, like
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  Speaker 3: I just said, and you get the Sworn Book of
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  Speaker 3: Us thirteenth or fourteenth century.
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  Speaker 2: You already find some core.
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  Speaker 3: You will see the consecrated seal inscribed with the divine
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  Speaker 3: names and the angelic attributions that structures a conversation with
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  Speaker 3: Heaven basically. And then you get by the fifteenth century
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  Speaker 3: a section that calls Astro magic Manual inside the CLMA
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  Speaker 3: four nine.
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  Speaker 2: I don't even know what the fuck that is.
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  Speaker 3: Sometimes, like when you get these manuscripts of shit that's
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  Speaker 3: like owned in these places, like they have like ms
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  Speaker 3: and then a number because it's you know, you're just
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  Speaker 3: like classifying it like that.
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  Speaker 2: It lays out the seals of.
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  Speaker 3: The archangels explicitly, including a labeled one called Sigellum Michaelis
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  Speaker 3: and Jelyi, and that same century turning ecosystem gives us
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  Speaker 3: like the compact later known one as the Heptameroon, where
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  Speaker 3: it kind of breaks it down to a seven day
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  Speaker 3: angelic handbook, so it makes it, you know, And then
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  Speaker 3: that is also attributed to some people have heard of him.
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  Speaker 3: I've mentioned him on the show Pietro Diabano, and then
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  Speaker 3: you also see it then going into a Grippa's work,
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  Speaker 3: which we mentioned him on here numerous times.
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  Speaker 2: Which is probably odds are list.
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  Speaker 3: It might be a chance of the reason why I
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  Speaker 3: looks Famillion is because it's probably in that book too,
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  Speaker 3: and we've probably seen it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that makes a lot more sense, so you know,
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  Speaker 3: then you have it going over to there again.
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  Speaker 2: You know then who made it. They kind of considered
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  Speaker 2: an anonymous a copy. They think it's kind.
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  Speaker 3: Of obviously other ones are made, like they don't think
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  Speaker 3: it's like the same person. Kind of like with the
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  Speaker 3: other situation that I had with the last seal that
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  Speaker 3: I used, they don't not seal, but like that, uh, well,
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  Speaker 3: whatever the fuck that unicorn thing, I guess that's the seal.
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  Speaker 3: It's kind of like suspected like to been like just
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  Speaker 3: wasn't copied. It was just made by like multiple different
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  Speaker 3: people would just draw it. But there's like they don't
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  Speaker 3: know when they can't attribute it to exactly who they
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  Speaker 3: think did it.
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  Speaker 2: And how is it used?
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  Speaker 3: Uh, it was normally to try to at least contact
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  Speaker 3: or work with that angel, and normally it would be
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  Speaker 3: done with the day in the planet's cycle. So again,
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  Speaker 3: depending on how this person is attributing archangel Michael.
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  Speaker 2: Let's say he's got them with Mars.
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  Speaker 3: You're gonna do it on a Tuesday most likely, you
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  Speaker 3: know all that shit, or if he's with the Sun,
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  Speaker 3: you would do Sunday with Michael, and they would suggest
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  Speaker 3: to open up with a praise, a divine praise, and
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  Speaker 3: trace this trace the circle of names, burn the appropriate incense,
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  Speaker 3: and display Michael seal and speak to contra conjurations. So
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  Speaker 3: how the far back does Michael and magic go with
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  Speaker 3: our angel, you know, magic with arch archangel Michael. Some
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  Speaker 3: people will say that, depending on how you want to
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  Speaker 3: look at it even goes back to the Greek magical papyri,
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  Speaker 3: so you know, working with him, suppose he goes.
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  Speaker 2: Back that far and I figured I just throw that
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  Speaker 2: in there.
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  Speaker 3: But uh yeah, it's basically about it for the most part. Again,
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  Speaker 3: you'll see it here or then, like there's other versions.
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  Speaker 3: I should have probably showed it where you see like
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  Speaker 3: the circular disc type stuff going on, but that would
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  Speaker 3: be more of like the solomatic if people know what
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  Speaker 3: we're talking about, like Goetia Goetic looking almost.
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  Speaker 1: Right, So you've got the standard Goetic setup as your
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  Speaker 1: altar and your your circle and your summoning and all
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  Speaker 1: the rest of that. They describe it pretty well in
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  Speaker 1: that book, and then you can use a lot of
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  Speaker 1: these other sort of plug and play applications. There's a
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  Speaker 1: lot of you know, if you think about it, like
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  Speaker 1: you're trying to program the basic nature of the universe.
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  Speaker 1: So these are supposed to be you know, applicable to
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  Speaker 1: anybody that picks them up supposedly. But yeah, that's interesting.
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  Speaker 1: I like it a lot.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Like.
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  Speaker 1: It seems like there was a magical language going on
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  Speaker 1: within these scribe places, within all these monks, like all
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  Speaker 1: these monasteries. They're the ones doing the transcribing of all
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  Speaker 1: of these different works. They're the ones that have access
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  Speaker 1: to these different magical books. They kind of sit on
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  Speaker 1: the back shelves, and then these monks get into that stuff,
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  Speaker 1: and that's when you start to see demons big summoned
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  Speaker 1: and all the rest of this stuff happening.
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  Speaker 3: Is real quick too, just just because I just realized
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  Speaker 3: I forgot I had the notes of the screen. I
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  Speaker 3: forgot just four sigils on here. It's the bottom one
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  Speaker 3: that's actually the archangel Michael. When I'm sorry, there's all
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  Speaker 3: those other ones on the screen, that's that bottom one
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  Speaker 3: that is the one different. So it's getting turned into
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  Speaker 3: the disc when it's written linear kind of like that.
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  Speaker 2: That is that's his archangel Michael.
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  Speaker 1: Interesting, and so that's Latin, right, So they're they're putting
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  Speaker 1: the Latin phrases to Kondrum up around these different schedules.
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  Speaker 1: It's interesting, you know, they had to go with Latin. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: Latin's the magical language.
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  Speaker 3: Oh you know how many It's like almost any person
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  Speaker 3: that I really have ever covered them. Most people have
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  Speaker 3: covered on the show that were very important. I probably
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  Speaker 3: ninety eight percent of them.
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  Speaker 2: Old. It's been written in Latin, all of it.
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  Speaker 1: Well for the go PGM, or it got translated it
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  Speaker 1: was Hebrew or got translated into Latin, and then it
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  Speaker 1: spurred off the Renaissance, you know, right right, Well in
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  Speaker 1: the PGM, they've got all of these phrases and Hebrew
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  Speaker 1: words from the Bible in that book. So in the
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  Speaker 1: Headless Right or the Bornless Ritual, they have all this
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  Speaker 1: stuff about Abraham and it's like, this is clearly not
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  Speaker 1: an Abraham expell what are you guys doing here? And
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  Speaker 1: this was in the second century, so it wasn't even
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  Speaker 1: before Christianity was mandatory. So I think the way that
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  Speaker 1: they were selling all of this stuff and you know,
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  Speaker 1: having all this Jewish you know, magical stuff in their
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  Speaker 1: spell work was that this is the magical language. And
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  Speaker 1: that's how it was being sold to all the magicians
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  Speaker 1: back then. So it wasn't just you know, the Christians
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  Speaker 1: that were spreading it. It was all of these magicians
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  Speaker 1: that were using the Hebrew words as some sort of
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  Speaker 1: a magical sigil, which I thought was kind of interesting
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  Speaker 1: because it's like all this stuff from the Bible immediately
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  Speaker 1: gets transferred over to magical texts. How's that work out? Well,
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  Speaker 1: I think they were marketing it like.
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  Speaker 2: That, you know.
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  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I mean that's even I even say, with marketing,
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  Speaker 3: you've got a lot of people, even say, when it
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  Speaker 3: comes to some gromos, yes, even, I mean some of
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  Speaker 3: you could basically just toss out the window because most
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  Speaker 3: of them were just marketing schemes to rich motherfuckers.
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  Speaker 2: It didn't know what the hell were reading right.
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  Speaker 1: Right. There's a lot of like mystique that goes along
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  Speaker 1: with magical spells and stuff that if you can kind of,
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  Speaker 1: you know, put that into the conscious mind of all
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  Speaker 1: these people around you, you can really start to have
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  Speaker 1: sway with them if you speak that language, if you
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  Speaker 1: know these incantations and what not, because you know, it's
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  Speaker 1: not just superstition, something else is going on. I think
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  Speaker 1: there is a transfer of energy, and the words you
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  Speaker 1: use represent a part of that energy as well. So
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  Speaker 1: I got my symbol here, Oh what do you think
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  Speaker 1: of that?
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  Speaker 2: That's nice?
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  Speaker 1: Just a general impression, it.
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  Speaker 2: Looks familiar, but I don't think I've seen it.
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  Speaker 1: So the Greeks had the conception that the breezes, right,
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  Speaker 1: were born from Eos, and Eos is their goddess of
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  Speaker 1: the dawn, and so this is the aura. So these
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  Speaker 1: would be the spirits of the morning, born of Eos,
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  Speaker 1: that are these morning breezes. But this is also where
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  Speaker 1: we get the word aura, right, So the aurora aura,
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  Speaker 1: the place between you know, sun up and nighttime has
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  Speaker 1: the most aura. Like if you're doing aura viewing at
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  Speaker 1: that time, that's when you can see it all really
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  Speaker 1: crisp and clear on that really early blue light. It's
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  Speaker 1: really kind of interesting to me that their symbol for
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  Speaker 1: those morning breezes is aura or the aura, right, So
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  Speaker 1: these would be the spirits of these these morning things.
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  Speaker 1: I'm obsessed with the dawn in ora viewing, and so
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  Speaker 1: you know, I see that, and I'm like they were
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  Speaker 1: onto something. They were listening to something, because they got it.
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  Speaker 1: They nailed it good. And she was also the mother
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  Speaker 1: of the four winds from you know, the classical direction,
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  Speaker 1: So like you were talking about archangel Michael, he would
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  Speaker 1: be the wind of the West. I believe right here.
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  Speaker 3: Or maybe south with fire. I don't know, it depends
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  Speaker 3: on how people look at him.
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  Speaker 1: Probably south with fire.
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  Speaker 2: That's how he would be if I remember correctly. In the.
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  Speaker 3: Sorry, hold on say the less evanishing ritual, the pentogram
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  Speaker 3: his associated. He would be associated with the fire in south.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, sorry, had a picture in my head.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I was listening on Glitch Glitch Bottle, one of
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  Speaker 1: my favorite podcasts on magic and stuff. This guy was
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  Speaker 1: talking about his solomonic magic experience.
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  Speaker 2: If you're trying to get that guy on now, thank you.
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  Speaker 1: Well, he was talking about how he always does the
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  Speaker 1: summoning ritual for the four Winds before he does any
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  Speaker 1: other solomonic ritual because he finds that by summoning these
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  Speaker 1: spirits at the four winds before he does anything else,
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  Speaker 1: that it gets to where it's going a lot better
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  Speaker 1: and easier than if he's doing it without that. So,
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  Speaker 1: if you're going by the spirit model of magic, by
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  Speaker 1: bringing in the four Winds or these you know, early
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  Speaker 1: morning spirits, if that happens to be the time of
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  Speaker 1: day that you're doing it at, you're actually increasing the
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  Speaker 1: communicative ability between what you're saying and the spirits that
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  Speaker 1: you're trying to get your messages to. So I think
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  Speaker 1: that's kind of interesting because you know, you've always got
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  Speaker 1: these messenger spirits like.
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  Speaker 3: The well even angels, the messages. There's always yet you
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  Speaker 3: ever noticed that there's always somebody making a delivery in
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  Speaker 3: these stories. So somebody got some Yeah, always a traveler.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely. So that's my uh, that's my symbol. Did you
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  Speaker 1: have anything else?
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  Speaker 2: No? No, No, is she? Uh? What does she she like?
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  Speaker 2: You said, I don't know why I get this idea
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  Speaker 2: of wind with her. I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, she's holding up like a head thing, a head
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  Speaker 1: scarf for some sort of scarf, and it's billowing with
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  Speaker 1: the wind.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Like that, even that would go with like, you know,
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  Speaker 3: traveling in my opinion, wind air intelligence, sailing.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean you're going everywhere on wind. Right. And
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  Speaker 1: then there was in the story of the Odyssey, right,
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  Speaker 1: he had the bag with the four winds in it
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  Speaker 1: and he was handed that by Aolis and Aolis is
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  Speaker 1: the master of the four winds, and that's how we moved,
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  Speaker 1: you know, halfway across the uh Mediterranean. No time is
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  Speaker 1: he used that bag with the four winds. Something interesting?
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  Speaker 1: But I think there is a lot of magical context
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  Speaker 1: to the stories of you know, the Odyssey and the Iliad.
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  Speaker 1: We've got the you know, the fatal wound with Achilles
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  Speaker 1: being in the ankle, and then we find all throughout
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  Speaker 1: these occult symbols there's something having to do with the
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  Speaker 1: ankle as being the weak spot, or maybe the ankle
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  Speaker 1: is is touching something else. Like we were seeing the
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  Speaker 1: the lady what was her name, the strength card, right,
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  Speaker 1: she's got her heel on top of the lion. Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: there's a lot. And what's with that hand position too,
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  Speaker 1: Like is there something magical about the hand position that
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  Speaker 1: she's made. She's got the two last fingers up right,
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  Speaker 1: and she's sort of gripping it. That's kind of interesting.
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  Speaker 3: I think there's a lot of times, this is my opinion,
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: what's going on with the legs in the hands are
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: very important? Something up I have the life of me.
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: I can't figure out the leg shit. I don't even
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: know where to go with that's I don't know, it's
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: very weird for me. I don't know how to figure
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: that shit out.
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: Well.
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: I was thinking a little bit about Berchief, right, and
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: Gerdjieff is trying to get your body into different geometric shapes. Right,
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: So in the act of changing the planes of relationship
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: from your body to other parts of your body, you're
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: actually changing something fundamental about your being. So there's some
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: kind of a shifting consciousness as well, which could have
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: to do like all the symbols that you have to
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: do with the Golden Dog. You know. Yeah, they're changing
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: your body's geometry so that you can, you know, experience
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: a different or slightly modified form of consciousness. I'm checking
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: in before you go to the mill.
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: I do have Giadanno Bruno Part one dropping tomorrow from
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: here nine to thirty am. Then part two will drop
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: next week at nine thirty the as well. He is
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: a very interesting man.
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: He is also a Gnostic saint. Believe it or not.
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: I have actually covered a bunch of Gnostic saints. I
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: just never announced it like that, but uh, yeah, you've
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: actually gotten a lot of Gnostic saints covered, and they'll
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: be covering more. He's also uh you know my opinion,
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: the reason well it is the reason why or he's
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: the first person to come out publicly, you know, known
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: publicly on the books of saying this the more for
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: the most part, the reason why we even believe in
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: other planets having life out there besides our solar system
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: comes from this man who was burnt at the steak.
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: Now it was not necessarily burnt at the steak for
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: that reason. Uh, they pretty much, you know, accused him
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: of heresy. Uh, just everything that you pretty much could
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: have done to get fucked by the Vatican then. But
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: that was one of the claims, you know, even like
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: Alilo to get screwed for his way of looking at
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: the planets until later, so like you know, Brunos, you know,
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: it didn't really they didn't impact that, but his other beliefs,
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: and it really wasn't anything crazy.
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: He was just.
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: Saying, like I just think you're a little bit wrong,
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: you know, like his big thing, and you know it's
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: so funny.
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: I was like, Yo, this motherfucker was really no.
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: Difference in like this show at times or even us.
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: It's just like he would just come out like he'd
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: find a new place to live at and I guess
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: somebody would come out, like some philosopher or somebody that's
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: like known or academic would come out and say something
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: that he thinks was just completely absurd and then would
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: spend the time to publish the paper and say that
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: when most people wouldn't, so they're just like, oh my god,
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: this guy's crazy, you know. So it was a lot
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: of even to that he was just publicly acknowledging or
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: he would call people like courteous pigs or they're just
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: basically idiots.
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: And I guess he didn't like that.
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: So that was actually what caused a lot of the problem,
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: was just his disagreements and certain things.
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: Right, a lot of modern scientists will call themselves members
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: of the religion of Giordano Bruno.
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: People have no idea how influential that guy is and how.
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: Many I mean if you read his stuff and you
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: I mean like people like Bill Nye and the uh who's.
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: I mean people how people view called Sagan. I mean,
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: I think they got it's pretty smart.
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: But well, I think Carl Sagan influenced everybody else to
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: pick up that manto because there's no way in hell
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: that they're reading any Giordana Bruno. You know, these guys
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: are are have no idea what they're even talking about.
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: If they knew what they were talking about there, I mean,
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: Giordano in a lot of ways is considered a quack
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: by today's scientific standards. You know, Yo, there was stuff
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: to what's crazy.
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: I don't want to give you too much way, but
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: there was a lot of things in his stuff now
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: that when some people look at it, they're like, yo,
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: he was actually explaining like science but used totally just
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: different words, right, yeah, and.
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: He had a different way of approaching it. And you
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: also have the memory palace idea.
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: So that's insane. Again.
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: That's why I wish we could get like, you know,
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: a trusted, trusted version of like Latin, you know, translated,
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: because I would love to get my hands on like
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: that book, because it was like almost like a known
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: thing that that shit worked, and he said, give it
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: about six months of the works.
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: It's fucking weird, absolutely well. I think that was a
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: big hallmark of polytheism, because what we see is people
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: like Plato saying that he hated writing because it's making
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: people forget. It's just like our problems with the cell
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: phones nowadays. It's like we don't know how to spell anymore.
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: We don't know how to do all this stuff. He
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: was saying the same thing about writing, so they had
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: to remember fucking everything.
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: Oh and now we all have like neither emojis or
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: like lol. You know, you know, you're not even not
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: even using the word anymore.
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: Words.
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: So, you know, this is one of the reasons why
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: I think that they were so much smarter back then,
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: is we can't even calculate all the things that they
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: had to keep in their hand twenty four hours a
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: day as they were doing all sorts of other stuff
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: they did it. We got to keep looking at our
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: phones to check to see what we can remember. But
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: you know, honestly, how rare is it to even see
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: a waitress that doesn't have to use a notepad anymore?
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: They used to be able to do it like that,
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: remember everything. Yeah, all right, so I got one from
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: Kylo Hare. Howdy, it's been a minute since we briefly
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: connected last time. Lol. I had to go and knock
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: up my wife and then go off and write a
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: book unrelated incidents.
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: This is probably why you should read these things.
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: No, that was that was a perfect joke. Right there.
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: As I wait on the distributor to finalize my account
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: so I can finish up my publishing process, I thought
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: I should do some legwork and share the story. What
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: better way than by telling other stories and ideas to
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: get people interested in reading my fictional tale. With the
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: people I like their show, hit me up. We can
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: chat about whatever and come up with something to make
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: a good podcast for you. I was thinking I could
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: share about and entertaining into the natural environment around me
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: and being a part of earth alchemy, the things that
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: I've noticed in the changes in the soil and life
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: and the interaction with the elements at large when working.
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: You guys may be interested in some of my methods
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: when setting up a culture research institute you mentioned on
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: magical mailbag. I have a bunch of music and other
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: stuff on my website now. If you want to check
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: anything out, it's R O T M I N d
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: S dot com, rotminds dot com. Be careful, all right,
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: said where he left it, But sounds interesting, possible guests,
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: idea opportunity. That's what I got this week?
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: All right, guys should have thrown in a fake, fucking
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: bullshit story at least.
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: Well he was talking about earth magic. I think, Hey, yeah,
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: I just got this book this week.
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: What is it?
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: Lay Lines, lay Lines and Earth Energies. Hopefully it's good.
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: You never know what the cult books, you know. Sometimes
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: you get a real gem, and sometimes people are just
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: dropping the ball like crazy, especially when it comes to
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: cult books.
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: Oh man, yeah, cult books is are what it's a
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: hit and miss. I don't know. If the person's.
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: Got like raving black some other fucking type of word
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: like that in their name, just don't even bite blackstone heart, Yeah,
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: fucking shit like that. Don't just skip that shit, don't
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: even look at it. They're already trying to get you
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: with their name because that's not their real name.
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: I can tell you that right now, right you know.
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: The problem is is that people think that it doesn't
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: work if it's coming from those people. But what I
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: find is that they're actually better at magic.
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: Oh no, no, they know what the fuck they're doing.
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: Believe me. Yeah, their magic was making you buy that book.
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: Partially.
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's what I think is the funniest When
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: you buy a money magic book. It was like that
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: guy just fucking made it work. He bought his book
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: and he made money.
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: He made that spell happen. But at the same time,
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: it's like, I don't think magic really depends on the
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: intelligence of the person who's casting the spell.
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: No, it's the intelligence of the person that's being used on.
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's definitely part of it, because if you
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: know the spell, you can work your way out of it.
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: If you don't know the spell, oh, you might catch
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: yourself at least, you know, right, you can catch the patterns.
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: That's that's also important because it's not just it's not
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: just you know, uh, poltergeist activity, but like you'll notice
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: that these uh, these certain numbers that are used in
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: the spell work will start popping up in your own life,
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: so you can actually deconstruct what's happening to you and
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: who might be casting it based off of the patterns
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: that you see around you.
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: I agree.
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: But also that's that's very important to have spiritual hygiene,
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: which means no buying books about money magic.
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: Damn it.
• 28:46
  Speaker 5: I think we can all agree on that it's bad
• 28:49
  Speaker 5: for your spiritual hygiene in general.
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, as much as that sucks, Ravin Gladstone has not
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: giving you the right information.
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: Raven black Heart, Oh.
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: Man, I'm gonna have to do this as a parody now,
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: Raven Blackhart's money magic make up all over my face.
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: It would be fucking amazing.
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: Yo, It's not a whole new channel that might take off.
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: Oh, it would take off a parody channel.
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: You gotta make a Etsy shop to sell them. Ship
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: Now it's his talismans and candles, right.
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna just wrap pieces of bark and string and
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: just send those out for three hundred dollars a pop.
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: Say it came from like some rare fire forest shit,
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: it's a chanted would Yeah, those truffles growing.
• 29:50
  Speaker 5: Dude, I'm gonna make so much money al right, guys, Yes,
• 29:53
  Speaker 5: keep an eye out for my new YouTube channel, Raven Blackhart,
• 29:58
  Speaker 5: black Heart Stone Blackhart Stole.
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: Oh Money, Money Magic series.
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: We'll tell you exactly how it works for shifteen dollars
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: a month.
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: Fifty dollars a month. You can get the secrets to
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: Money Magic as well.
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we're asshled.
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: Alright, guys. Well it's been good seeing Yeah, we'll come
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: back in just a little bit a live stream with
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: uh Julia Julia repeat.
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: She's back again.
• 30:33
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