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Patriots Unfiltered 11/29: Turning the Page to LA Chargers, Wednesday Practice Update, Who's the Starting QB? · Patriots Unfiltered

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  Speaker 2: I'm sure they would prefer that the receivers break free
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  Speaker 2: and get open, prefer they.
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  Speaker 6: Don't the start.
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  Speaker 7: But he's kind of like a starter at like they
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  Speaker 7: were they were beating Rex.
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  Speaker 2: Ryan does come across as a tool bag.
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  Speaker 1: The mocking critical.
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  Speaker 7: I don't think the history of this offense tells you
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  Speaker 7: that anybody can do it besides Brady, So.
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  Speaker 8: Well well done, Rex, I don't remember that even then.
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  Speaker 2: All right, welcome to Patriots Unfiltered. It is Wednesday here
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  Speaker 2: at Jillette Stadium, and uh, we're gonna be talking Patriots
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  Speaker 2: for the next two hours. There's a lot of stuff
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  Speaker 2: to talk about, maybe the least of which is a
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  Speaker 2: game against the San Diego.
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  Speaker 1: You did it too, builded it. I did it, You
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  Speaker 1: did it.
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  Speaker 2: I will never stop calling it in San Diego they're
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  Speaker 2: the La Chargers. But there is a game on Sunday
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  Speaker 2: at one o'clock per year, and maybe we can talk
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  Speaker 2: a little bit about that, you know, like, do you
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  Speaker 2: have this sneaky feeling they might pull a win off
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  Speaker 2: this Sunday?
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  Speaker 10: No?
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  Speaker 6: Really, Okay, I was just about to say, I was
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  Speaker 6: gonna say we got off to a much better start today,
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  Speaker 6: you know, other than sorry, I don't know, it was
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  Speaker 6: a little bit better then right off the top. No, well,
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  Speaker 6: after last week, it yees hard, I do I do
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  Speaker 6: think there's always a chance from the NFL Chargers.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, remember the day when the Chargers would come
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  Speaker 2: to Foxborough for a one o'clock game and.
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  Speaker 1: You would be like, yeah, it's over.
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  Speaker 7: You know, they won seven straight, Like don't even.
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  Speaker 2: Don't even turn the buses off, just you know, let
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  Speaker 2: them off. They can take the field and then get
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  Speaker 2: right back.
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  Speaker 6: Have that. I'm trying to think of some of those
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  Speaker 6: games because I remember more. I think the playoff game
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  Speaker 6: in eighteen might have been a one o'clock game.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right, Yeah, well the Ladanian Tomlinson checkout game.
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  Speaker 6: That was a one o'clock the seven mph yeah that
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  Speaker 6: was not a one o'clock game.
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  Speaker 11: That was not a not a shooting game, No it wasn't,
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  Speaker 11: but it was also Yeah, I mean, they haven't beaten
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  Speaker 11: the Patriots in Foxborough since like five.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, seven straight wins overall against.
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  Speaker 1: That was to take my team's name out of your mouth,
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  Speaker 1: Marty Shotenheimer.
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  Speaker 2: Now, I think I think what's holding even thought that
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  Speaker 2: almost ridiculous. I think what's holding the Chargers back this
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  Speaker 2: year is their coach. I think they have some talent,
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  Speaker 2: and I think that they're a pissed off team.
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  Speaker 6: Right now, and I feel like they're playing for the coach.
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  Speaker 6: To your point, yeah, I think there's some issues there.
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  Speaker 2: I think they're pissed off a little bit, and I'm
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  Speaker 2: afraid they might take it out on the Patriots because
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  Speaker 2: they've had some games where they should have won. You know,
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  Speaker 2: this this season, they've.
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  Speaker 7: Had some one score games for sure. I I do
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  Speaker 7: push back on the like that people think their roster
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  Speaker 7: is loaded.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't say loaded.
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  Speaker 6: They No, I'm not saying you unloaded.
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  Speaker 7: But I feel like that's a big narrative, is that
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  Speaker 7: they're they're underachieving big time. The rosters loaded. They they
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  Speaker 7: have a really good quarterback. They're a really good quarterback.
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  Speaker 7: They have a really good weapon in Keenan Allen.
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  Speaker 2: But don't you think their defense is playing pretty well too?
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  Speaker 6: No, it's the.
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  Speaker 7: Dead last in past defense. Their their their offense is
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  Speaker 7: playing well. Their offenses is eighth and scoring eighth and epa.
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  Speaker 2: I thought you just watched a little bit of the
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  Speaker 2: game last week. It seemed like their defense was.
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  Speaker 8: They played well that night? Yeah, now that this is fine?
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  Speaker 7: How was their best defensive partmance of the year.
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  Speaker 6: Sometimes the stats can can kill you, Like I thought
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  Speaker 6: they played really well, I agree with you, Freddy that night,
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  Speaker 6: and then they end up You look at the end
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  Speaker 6: of the game, the Ravens ran for one hundred and
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  Speaker 6: ninety seven yards. It was really deceptive. Yeah, because the
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  Speaker 6: conventional runs that Baltimore did. The Chargers did a really
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  Speaker 6: good job. Lamar Jackson and Gus Edwards. Those are the
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  Speaker 6: two guys that when they run the ball, you know
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  Speaker 6: they're running, and they held them both well under four
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  Speaker 6: yards of carry. Yeah, but then Zay Flowers has like
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  Speaker 6: a thirty seven yard touchdown run.
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  Speaker 1: You know, was that the same the Lions game? They
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  Speaker 1: give up two hundred yards to the Lions two Was
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  Speaker 1: that the same kind of kind of thing?
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  Speaker 6: They get two hundred yards rushing to the Lions because
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  Speaker 6: they're not bad run defense. Statistically, they're okay the pass
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  Speaker 6: defense that's like thirty I think it's thirty second, thirty
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  Speaker 6: first in.
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  Speaker 7: They might be okay in yards, but their run defenses
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  Speaker 7: is twenty first in EPA. I mean they're they're for
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  Speaker 7: three years under Brendan Staley, they've been a bad run defense.
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  Speaker 7: They're thirty first thing. There's I'm saying that in that respect,
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  Speaker 7: this matchup is not terrible for the Patriots that we
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  Speaker 7: talked about this a little bit on the on the
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  Speaker 7: video preview. They're a Fangio style defense, so they play
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  Speaker 7: a lot of too high safeties. They play light boxes,
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  Speaker 7: too high safeties. So they gave up two hundred yards
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  Speaker 7: against the Ravens because all they care about is stopping
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  Speaker 7: the pass.
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  Speaker 2: Chick has always done well against that defense. The Tampa
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  Speaker 2: two is that like a Tampa two.
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  Speaker 8: No, No, Okay, you don't have to be so dismissing question.
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  Speaker 7: I was just I said no, sorry, and I didn't
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  Speaker 7: need to come off so aggressive Tampa two.
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  Speaker 6: No. No.
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  Speaker 7: So Tampa two defenses are you know, this is more
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  Speaker 7: of like a quarters based defense. So they have you know,
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  Speaker 7: four over the top and then they rotate into three.
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  Speaker 7: They play a lot of palms coverage. If we really
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  Speaker 7: want to get into.
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  Speaker 1: It, yeah, palms up or palms down.
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  Speaker 6: I guess in this case palms up.
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  Speaker 7: I suppose, uh, palms coverage, which is a match coverage
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  Speaker 7: out of quarters based shells. But the biggest thing is
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  Speaker 7: is that they they play with lighter boxes. They'll they'll
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  Speaker 7: play with neutral boxes seven guys or even six.
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  Speaker 2: Guys, right, because all we want to do is run.
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  Speaker 1: Well, well, that's what I said to Evan. I said,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, if you're the Chargers, don't you look at
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  Speaker 1: the Patriots and say, we don't need to get two
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  Speaker 1: safeties back? Does nobody that can throw deep?
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  Speaker 2: Like, well, if that's what most teams have been doing,
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  Speaker 2: they don't care.
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  Speaker 8: Just get that.
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  Speaker 7: That's what you would think. And I I'll give Brendan
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  Speaker 7: Staley this. He gets a lot of heat understandably because
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  Speaker 7: of his game management, right, Like I don't feel like
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  Speaker 7: his actual schematic coaching is bad on defense, but game
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  Speaker 7: management wise, there've been a disaster, you know, going forward
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  Speaker 7: on fourth down a ton just managing like that Week
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  Speaker 7: eighteen game last year, they play everybody, bunch of guys
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  Speaker 7: get hurt, then they blow the twenty seven point lead
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  Speaker 7: against the Jags, and you know, all that kind of stuff.
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  Speaker 7: But defensively, game plan wise, he's been really really good
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  Speaker 7: on the most part for the.
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  Speaker 6: Last year or so.
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  Speaker 7: Last year, a lot of their blueprints, like they put
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  Speaker 7: out a lot of the blueprints against like Kansas City, Miami,
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  Speaker 7: like those teams Miami, especially the Chargers blueprint is what
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  Speaker 7: everybody uses now to stop or try to stop the
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  Speaker 7: Dolphins offense. So in a lot of ways, I think
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  Speaker 7: he's had some good game plans. So maybe he does
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  Speaker 7: have a game plan defense this week where he doesn't
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  Speaker 7: play with light boxes and says, we know we're not
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  Speaker 7: you're not gonna beat us down the field on the outside,
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  Speaker 7: and we just have to stop the run.
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  Speaker 6: But we'll see.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know any coach who doesn't look at it
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  Speaker 2: that way. Is that's, you know, dereliction of duty on
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  Speaker 2: the hot seat? Well yeah, but Ane, that was that
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  Speaker 2: the Patriots and says got to watch out for those
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  Speaker 2: shot plays.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I think you're crazy.
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  Speaker 6: No, yeah, I agree with you on that. I wouldn't
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  Speaker 6: necessarily like, I wouldn't kill them if he said, well,
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  Speaker 6: I know they're going to run the ball, and I'll
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  Speaker 6: let them run the ball.
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  Speaker 8: A little bit. That's they're not going to beat us
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  Speaker 8: doing that.
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  Speaker 6: But your second part of that, if you're sitting there,
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  Speaker 6: you know everybody's back, and you're wondering about them throwing
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  Speaker 6: the ball over the top, No, I would that's done.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I'd play up, I you know, dare them
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  Speaker 2: to throw deep. I'd play man, you know, I you know,
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  Speaker 2: i'd stuff the box more often than not. You know,
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  Speaker 2: I just funnel everything to the middle. Actually you don't
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  Speaker 2: even have.
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  Speaker 1: To do that. I mean, it's just you look at it.
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  Speaker 2: It's just there's nothing really that scaring me. And I'm
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  Speaker 2: just going to stop their run because that's what they
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  Speaker 2: want to do.
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  Speaker 6: And I agree with Evan and I think we both
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  Speaker 6: talked about this early in the season. Coach not about
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  Speaker 6: the palms coverage. I have to be completely upfront and said,
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  Speaker 6: I've never heard the term palms coverage before.
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  Speaker 1: So that's is that p a l m or pom
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  Speaker 1: palms like a pomegranate. Honestly, I've not just goes out
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  Speaker 1: like that.
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  Speaker 6: Usually the stuff that you're talking about, I might not
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  Speaker 6: know all the intricacies and what you're talking about.
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  Speaker 8: I've heard all the time.
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  Speaker 2: I've never heard the same as umbrella coverage.
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  Speaker 7: Sure, yeah kind of. Actually, yeah, that's closer than Tampa too.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you're with Freda.
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  Speaker 6: And we all we all ve together, and it was
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  Speaker 6: that nice enough to be a compliment.
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  Speaker 8: We've all come together.
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  Speaker 6: But I agree with Evan about the overall. I think
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  Speaker 6: that they have talent, but they don't have a ton
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  Speaker 6: of depth. Number one, and I think that's true, and
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  Speaker 6: they also have you know, and Micha Lombardi will tell
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  Speaker 6: you this is because of the way they set it up.
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  Speaker 6: They always seem to lose the key guys, you know,
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  Speaker 6: Like I think there was a big difference with their
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  Speaker 6: off when you take Mike Williams out of it and
• 10:02
  Speaker 6: he's missed most of the year. I mean, Austin Eckler
• 10:05
  Speaker 6: missed a month early on in the season with a
• 10:07
  Speaker 6: high ankle sprain. So Joey Bosa hurt, Now, yeah, he's
• 10:11
  Speaker 6: kind of you know, he's always hurt, you know, but
• 10:14
  Speaker 6: tight muscles. But I you know, like, yeah, like guys
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  Speaker 6: like Lombardi will tell you that's not an accident until
• 10:20
  Speaker 6: the Patriots get best with injuries and then all of
• 10:22
  Speaker 6: a sudden, well it's just tough brads. So you look
• 10:26
  Speaker 6: at their schedule and yeah, I agree. You know, everybody
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  Speaker 6: loses close games. But I look at them some of
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  Speaker 6: their losses against good teams. They lose thirty six thirty
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  Speaker 6: four to Miami, they lose twenty to seventeen to Dallas,
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  Speaker 6: they lose forty one thirty eight to Detroit. You know,
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  Speaker 6: these are good teams that they're right there with. Now,
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  Speaker 6: what kills them. They shouldn't be four and seven. You
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  Speaker 6: can't lose to Green Bay a game that they absolutely
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  Speaker 6: dominated and found a way to lose it. And then
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  Speaker 6: you know you're losing to you know, earlier in the year,
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  Speaker 6: to Tennessee. You can't lose those games, you know. So
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  Speaker 6: you probably if you're six and five, you're still on
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  Speaker 6: the on the fringes of playoff contention. But you four
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  Speaker 6: and seven, now your margin fererra is gone. They probably
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  Speaker 6: have to win out to have a chance.
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  Speaker 1: For me, it's just the quarterbacks, you know, That's just
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  Speaker 1: what it comes down to. That's why I can't It's
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  Speaker 1: hard to see. You don't know who's gonna even be
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  Speaker 1: playing again this weekend.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm Hurt's better Remember the day that West Coast
• 11:24
  Speaker 2: team would come in for a one o'clock game.
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  Speaker 1: It's like, I don't even even it's in the back
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  Speaker 1: of my mind. I mean, I don't think it's you know,
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  Speaker 1: I think the refor is coming out and playing, you know,
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  Speaker 1: kind of shady and not not putting in the max effort.
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  Speaker 1: And a couple of players go to the Patriots ways
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  Speaker 1: and they're like, you know what, forget it.
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  Speaker 6: But I wonder if they think that Staley's done, They're
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  Speaker 6: done with stay away the players and they just sort
• 11:44
  Speaker 6: of say, you know what, we're not going to win
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  Speaker 6: the rest of the games.
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  Speaker 1: We're out of it.
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  Speaker 2: I know, but I don't. I don't see the modern
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  Speaker 2: NFL player doing that. I mean, every game is an audition,
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  Speaker 2: you know, for you individually. So I don't know, you.
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  Speaker 8: Don't think that.
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  Speaker 6: I think there've been examples of teams that have mailed
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  Speaker 6: in games, especially in this kind of situation. I think,
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  Speaker 6: coming all the way across, I feel like playing this game, Yeah,
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  Speaker 6: a long flay.
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  Speaker 2: I just think I think there's more often guys like,
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  Speaker 2: you know, an injury that I'd played with last week and.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna play this week. You know. Well that's
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  Speaker 1: more like that.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, that's part of what I'm talking about.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, Like I think the guys able to be trying. Yeah,
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  Speaker 6: but do you remember, and I know you will. Do
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  Speaker 6: you remember that game that that me and Andy were
• 12:20
  Speaker 6: in the press box when Arizona came in and there
• 12:23
  Speaker 6: was a little snow on the ground in Arizona.
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  Speaker 8: Was good thatzon I had a good team.
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  Speaker 1: This was a Kurt Warner team and we just we just.
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  Speaker 6: Looked down on it and we both looked at Fred.
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  Speaker 6: They got no shot, and He's like, what are you
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  Speaker 6: guys talking about this? Just look at them. They just
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  Speaker 6: look cold.
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  Speaker 1: They were all like, this wasn't that that went to
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  Speaker 1: the Super Bowl? Oh yeah, they mailed.
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  Speaker 8: They completely mailed the game.
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  Speaker 7: And I mean the Chargers team that came in here
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  Speaker 7: for the eighteen playoff game, well that was like it
• 12:49
  Speaker 7: was like ten degrees that day. It was freezing, and
• 12:51
  Speaker 7: I remember being on field level and looking at the
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  Speaker 7: Chargers and they're all like, oh god.
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  Speaker 8: They competed.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, I mean that game was never in doubt. Yeah,
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  Speaker 6: you know it was. It was a thirteen point game
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  Speaker 6: that was never in doubt. But they at least, you know,
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  Speaker 6: in the second half they're down, they kept scoring. Yeah,
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  Speaker 6: it was like forty one to twenty eight. Again, I know,
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  Speaker 6: the game was never in question, but they at least competed.
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  Speaker 6: The Cardinals were just like, we'll see you next one.
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  Speaker 1: But that was a pretty good matchup going into and
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  Speaker 1: if I remember, like the Chargers hadn't lost on the
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  Speaker 1: road in a long time, and I just remember a
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  Speaker 1: lot of people thinking like this is gonna be a
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  Speaker 1: really I thought that.
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  Speaker 8: Was going to be a tough game of game.
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  Speaker 1: Yeaheah.
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  Speaker 7: A lot of people picked the Patriots to lose. That
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  Speaker 7: was the whole I thought that.
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  Speaker 6: Patriots team was flawed. Yeah, I thought they were unimpressive
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  Speaker 6: in in getting to the playoffs.
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  Speaker 8: I thought they had they were going to have trouble
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  Speaker 8: that day.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, and they didn't. They just they rolled. Yeah, running game.
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  Speaker 6: So you say that was the team that had member
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  Speaker 6: that they were playing all the state. I think Adrian
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  Speaker 6: Phillips was playing middle linebacker that day. Yeah, yep, old
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  Speaker 6: friend trying to take on James Devil.
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  Speaker 2: So you're saying there's a chance, now, I think there's
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  Speaker 2: always a chance.
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  Speaker 8: I think there's a chance that Chargers are done.
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  Speaker 1: I just I can't lay out like what has to
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  Speaker 1: happen and realistically tell you like, oh well, if mac
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  Speaker 1: Bailey's appy starts throwing it all over the yard, like
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  Speaker 1: the Patriots can win, Like it's like they've got to
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  Speaker 1: make a leap of five.
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  Speaker 8: Chances have nothing to do with anything except.
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  Speaker 2: Normally I would I would say, you know what, I
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  Speaker 2: might be picking the Patriots this week, but I can't
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  Speaker 2: get over what's going on at quarterback for this team,
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  Speaker 2: and you can't win a football game by just running
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  Speaker 2: the ball in today's NFL, you know, teams like if
• 14:24
  Speaker 2: I was them, I would stack that box. I would
• 14:27
  Speaker 2: play man. I would dare them to throw and I
• 14:31
  Speaker 2: just if I have to. But until they prove to
• 14:34
  Speaker 2: me that they, you know, can do that, I'm gonna
• 14:38
  Speaker 2: make life really hard on the running game as much
• 14:40
  Speaker 2: as I can. And I'll send pressure anytime it's you know,
• 14:44
  Speaker 2: third and a passing down.
• 14:46
  Speaker 1: I mean, do you even yeah, I mean every time,
• 14:48
  Speaker 1: do you even think about like it just seems like
• 14:49
  Speaker 1: the Patriots quarterbacks are so scared to throw downfield? Now
• 14:52
  Speaker 1: do you try to kind of bait them and you know,
• 14:54
  Speaker 1: maybe you're not in cover two initially, but you're gonna
• 14:58
  Speaker 1: get there after the snap, and you know, I mean
• 15:00
  Speaker 1: try to try to point to try to play with them.
• 15:02
  Speaker 6: The weather's supposed to be like on Sunday. Yeah, can
• 15:05
  Speaker 6: you imagine Mac throwing downfield? If you know the other
• 15:08
  Speaker 6: I can once.
• 15:10
  Speaker 1: On the weather, he's gonna be Herbert will be just fire.
• 15:13
  Speaker 2: I think it's supposed to be these forties yeah, yeah.
• 15:16
  Speaker 1: Forty five percent chance of rain, forty nine degrees.
• 15:19
  Speaker 7: I just look at the Chargers offense, which is holding
• 15:22
  Speaker 7: up its end of the bargain more times than I know.
• 15:24
  Speaker 7: They didn't last week. But they're eighth and scoring, like
• 15:27
  Speaker 7: I said, and justin Herbert is unbelievably good.
• 15:30
  Speaker 6: Yeah, and they've gone just to Evans point thirty four,
• 15:33
  Speaker 6: twenty four, twenty eight, twenty four, two seventeens, then thirty
• 15:37
  Speaker 6: twenty seven, thirty eight, and then twenty in ten.
• 15:40
  Speaker 2: Is there anything to be taken from the fact that
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: Belichick the Patriots defense has done a pretty good job
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: against Herbert so far in his career.
• 15:50
  Speaker 7: Yes, to an extent, I think, but it was early
• 15:54
  Speaker 7: in Herbert's career, his first two years in the league.
• 15:56
  Speaker 8: It was really the first year.
• 15:57
  Speaker 6: Yeah, in the second year they had they had the
• 16:00
  Speaker 6: lead in the fourth quarter, and you know, to again
• 16:03
  Speaker 6: Adrian Phillips.
• 16:04
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I think there is something to be said for
• 16:07
  Speaker 7: I think the one thing that Herbert in the offense
• 16:09
  Speaker 7: has had trouble with, which is what happened last week,
• 16:11
  Speaker 7: was was pressure. You know, Baltimore had forty one percent
• 16:14
  Speaker 7: pressure rate on Herbert and dialed up some blitzes while
• 16:18
  Speaker 7: time blitzes things like that that really caught them by
• 16:21
  Speaker 7: surprise and seemed to affect them. So if you can,
• 16:24
  Speaker 7: if you can get after Herbert a little bit, then
• 16:26
  Speaker 7: I like any offense, you can kind of take it
• 16:28
  Speaker 7: down a little Allen, Allen, would you.
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: Consider Herbert mobile?
• 16:32
  Speaker 7: Yes, yes, yeah, thirty five yard run in the game.
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: I just think about some of those what about like
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: in the like in the phone booth type of mobile.
• 16:40
  Speaker 6: Yeah, he's very big difference because Evan's right, he's under
• 16:44
  Speaker 6: he's under a lot of pressure a lot of the.
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: But why is that some of his own making?
• 16:49
  Speaker 6: No, I think the offensive line is struggling.
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, I mean I do think that there's maybe
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: some issues with him knowing what club to use and
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: trying to gun it in there a little bit too much,
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. But I just think of some
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: of the bloom coverages we've seen over the last few
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: weeks of guys that, like you know, jac Jackson, and
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: I mean they hit a couple of them, but but
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: there were other ones to be had, and I don't
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: think Herbert's a kind of one where if he has
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: a little bit of space he can rifle it down
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: there hit those.
• 17:13
  Speaker 7: Places they have forty past plays of over twenty yards
• 17:16
  Speaker 7: this season forty and they they he has the capability
• 17:20
  Speaker 7: of making any throw at any time, anywhere. Yeah, I
• 17:23
  Speaker 7: mean the throw he made against the Packers. I know
• 17:25
  Speaker 7: the guy dropped it, but that perfect unbelievable. I mean
• 17:29
  Speaker 7: it's and he makes those types of throws on a
• 17:31
  Speaker 7: weekly basis, muddied pockets so cross the field far hash
• 17:35
  Speaker 7: like whole shots down the field. It doesn't make a difference.
• 17:38
  Speaker 7: I think a lot of people look at him and say, oh,
• 17:41
  Speaker 7: you know, they're four and seven. He's not a winner,
• 17:43
  Speaker 7: you know that type of stuff. Like if you watch
• 17:46
  Speaker 7: the games and watch him play, he he's a little
• 17:51
  Speaker 7: I think that a little.
• 17:52
  Speaker 6: I wonder about it because if he just one of
• 17:55
  Speaker 6: those guys that kind of finds a way to play
• 17:57
  Speaker 6: really well all the time but doesn't always win.
• 17:59
  Speaker 7: Yeah, last year they had that in college too. Last
• 18:02
  Speaker 7: year they did win though, no I don't. And he
• 18:04
  Speaker 7: had five game winning drives last year in their ten wins.
• 18:08
  Speaker 6: So, and like you said, like the Green Bay game,
• 18:10
  Speaker 6: they're at Lambeau, which is a tough place to play,
• 18:12
  Speaker 6: even if the Packers aren't great, he basically let a
• 18:16
  Speaker 6: touchdown drive and they screwed him.
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: Okay, I think Eckler too, is just I mean, he's
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: been in and out of the lineup. I mean I
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: think he's as you know, characteristic of this team as
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: anybody where it's when he's in there and it's clicking,
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: and he's fast and he can do a little bit
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: of everything. He's just got such a burst.
• 18:31
  Speaker 6: I wonder what he'll be as a receiver on Sunday.
• 18:33
  Speaker 6: To you a point, Mike, Yeah, because I think that
• 18:36
  Speaker 6: going back to what you say, like, you know, back
• 18:38
  Speaker 6: in the old days, you know, one o'clock chargers come in,
• 18:40
  Speaker 6: you well, you would think there's no way they're going
• 18:43
  Speaker 6: to let Keenan Allen do what he does to everybody else. Right,
• 18:46
  Speaker 6: you know, Keenan Allen has literally like seventy more catches
• 18:49
  Speaker 6: than number two.
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: Oh that it's crazy.
• 18:50
  Speaker 6: It's like one hundred to twenty nine or something like.
• 18:53
  Speaker 6: I think he has ninety seven catches. Yeah, so you
• 18:56
  Speaker 6: go to you know, normally Bill would just say, well,
• 18:59
  Speaker 6: I'm not going to let that happened. But I don't
• 19:01
  Speaker 6: know you're not going to let that happen, right, I
• 19:04
  Speaker 6: don't know if you can.
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: Trust that Allen's got the fourth most or sorry, third
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: most receptions through eleven games in NFL history, with ninety
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: seven catches. That the top Michael Thomas in twenty nineteen
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: hundred voice like changed Harrison has a hundred very official. Yeah,
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: Michael was, Yeah, it's I think a little something in
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: there and give me a little bit of a de Yeah,
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: you got a little something.
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: You mentioned White going on, you know, coaching matchup. There
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: was a time, you know, Staley vous Belichick be like,
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: this is huge advantage for the Patriots. Is it that
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: much in this game coaching advantage lately? Because Staley's on
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: the hot seat, right, but so is Bill Belichick.
• 19:42
  Speaker 7: Schematically, No, I don't think it is, because I think
• 19:45
  Speaker 7: that Kellen Moore is a pretty good offensive coordinator and Staley,
• 19:49
  Speaker 7: I still think is capable of coaching defense. Staley is
• 19:53
  Speaker 7: capable of deciding to lose the game for them, like
• 19:57
  Speaker 7: he'll go.
• 19:57
  Speaker 6: For it on fourth down.
• 19:58
  Speaker 8: Hasn't done it as much.
• 20:00
  Speaker 7: Yeah, they've been less aggressive this year, and he's almost
• 20:02
  Speaker 7: like corrected way too far to the other side of
• 20:05
  Speaker 7: the spectrum to try to save his job. It feels like, yeah,
• 20:08
  Speaker 7: and so it's possible, but you know, the Keenan Allen point.
• 20:12
  Speaker 7: He also has the most receiving yards against non defensive
• 20:15
  Speaker 7: backs amongst wide receivers because they use him in the
• 20:19
  Speaker 7: slot a lot and they're really good at moving him around,
• 20:21
  Speaker 7: so he gets a lot of matchups on linebackers out
• 20:24
  Speaker 7: of the slot and he just kills lines amazing.
• 20:26
  Speaker 6: How often you know, you think that the guy that's
• 20:29
  Speaker 6: really the one guy, right, you think if they're going
• 20:32
  Speaker 6: to go to him twelve fourteen tight and they do routine,
• 20:34
  Speaker 6: he's double digit targets every week, right, and you'd be like, well,
• 20:38
  Speaker 6: he must catch a lot of balls in traffic, and
• 20:39
  Speaker 6: then you watch the highlights and it's like, no.
• 20:41
  Speaker 8: He just gets open.
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I did that exactly.
• 20:43
  Speaker 8: That makes sense. What Evan's time.
• 20:45
  Speaker 7: And they motion him, they put him, you know in
• 20:47
  Speaker 7: different you know, three by one stacks bunches in the
• 20:50
  Speaker 7: slot and they just keep moving them around and it's
• 20:53
  Speaker 7: like finding Waldo. You know, you got to find him
• 20:55
  Speaker 7: on every single play.
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: Right, So I want to play a little fill in
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: the blank game. Okay, I love games. Go around the
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: bench here. I know the Patriots are gonna win this
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: game when blank defensive score. Okay, how about you Evan,
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: I know the Patriots are gonna win when.
• 21:14
  Speaker 7: Justin Herbert's on his backside the entire game.
• 21:16
  Speaker 6: Okay, I'll say that the Chargers.
• 21:22
  Speaker 8: Get shut out in the first quarter.
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: Okay, wow early not No.
• 21:28
  Speaker 6: It means that they're not scoring. Okay, like if they
• 21:30
  Speaker 6: score points, I don't see any way the Patriots win.
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: This is a lot easier. But I know the Patriots
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: are gonna lose when.
• 21:36
  Speaker 6: Starts, the Charge is scoring, The Charge is scoring their
• 21:40
  Speaker 6: opening drive. Ye, Justin Herberts does Justin looks like Justin.
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: Herbert goes right down the field.
• 21:45
  Speaker 7: And your point about the busted coverages and the explosive
• 21:50
  Speaker 7: plays the Patriots have given up, this is a team
• 21:52
  Speaker 7: that will take advantage of all of that.
• 21:54
  Speaker 6: You know, if you if you're.
• 21:56
  Speaker 7: Letting guys run free through the secondary, He's gonna find them.
• 21:59
  Speaker 7: So this is not You're not playing Tommy Tommy Cutlets
• 22:02
  Speaker 7: this time around.
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: I think too. You said getting Allen on linebackers, get
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: Eckler on linebackers. I mean, if you could get Eckler
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: on Tavia or on Bentley, you know, trying to trying
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: to work those matchups. He's he's tough, he's tough, he's quick.
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: If the Patriots win this game, the headline will be blank.
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: The defense score. I don't know. Bailey's Appy played great?
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: Maybe Bailey's Bailey Zappi hour?
• 22:28
  Speaker 7: Why?
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: Why? Why did they win? Why are you doing this
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: to us?
• 22:33
  Speaker 6: Yeah, something like that though, like Zappi probably played and
• 22:37
  Speaker 6: gave him a little bit of a spark. And you
• 22:40
  Speaker 6: know the Chargers.
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: They took it away from Herbert a couple of.
• 22:43
  Speaker 6: Times, and I mean a ton of picks.
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: But you can make mistakes, okay, but.
• 22:50
  Speaker 6: You also can hold them down in the red zone
• 22:52
  Speaker 6: because they love to run Eckler in the red zone.
• 22:56
  Speaker 6: The Patriots run defense has been really good. Yeah, so
• 23:00
  Speaker 6: you know, maybe you get down there and they're not
• 23:02
  Speaker 6: getting touchdowns because they can't get Ekler in the end zone.
• 23:05
  Speaker 7: They're the number one run defense in DVOA in the
• 23:07
  Speaker 7: league right now, the.
• 23:09
  Speaker 6: One area of the team that I think has been
• 23:11
  Speaker 6: consistently at a high level all year.
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: I think it's a good switch up, though, for them
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: to face Eckler, because you've had Brian Robinson, big dude,
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: Jonathan Taylor, pretty big dude, Saquon pretty big, you know,
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: bigger backs that they've had recently. He's a little bit
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: more small, jitterbug, that kind of style. Yeah, I worry
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: more different kind of challenge.
• 23:28
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I agree, And that's always been traditionally the guys
• 23:31
  Speaker 6: that give them more trouble. But to me, it's more.
• 23:33
  Speaker 8: As a receiver for this guy.
• 23:34
  Speaker 6: Yeah, he's a really good player.
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: At I mean, I think it's just injuries with him.
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: If he didn't get injured, I think keeping one of
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: the you know, one of those superstars.
• 23:41
  Speaker 7: He's like out of the flow of the offense a
• 23:43
  Speaker 7: little bit because of the injuries. He's not having the
• 23:46
  Speaker 7: same year.
• 23:46
  Speaker 6: That he had last year.
• 23:47
  Speaker 7: No, And I think a big reason why is once
• 23:49
  Speaker 7: you get hurt, now all of a sudden, you're kind
• 23:51
  Speaker 7: of jumping onto the moving train, so to speak. And
• 23:54
  Speaker 7: I think he's had trouble doing that. It's a new
• 23:57
  Speaker 7: offensive coordinator that probably still feeling out exactly how to
• 24:00
  Speaker 7: use a running back like Eckler, and it hasn't exactly
• 24:03
  Speaker 7: come to for Wichy for.
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: Him, Yeah, it was a day when San Diego would
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: pull in for a one o'clock game and be licking
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: your chops getting ready for this.
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: But it is crazy though, that just they've they beat
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: the Patriots twice in like the last twenty years. It
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: was that two thousand and five game, and it was
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: two thousand and eight against Castle game in San Diego
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: that I that I went to. I mean, that's otherwise
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: they they owned them the whole freaking time. Yeah, pretty remarkable.
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: But Philip Rivers was good, you know.
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, but he was hurt. That one game he
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: had an acl that he played through in crazy. That
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: was the Ladanian Tomlinson checkout game.
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: It was yeah, it was, you know, we were I
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: was looking for the picture of that. It's just a
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: great picture of him just on the bench with this
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: with his vizor on and he's got the big jacket.
• 24:49
  Speaker 6: On and just just sitting there.
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: You can't see his eyes because he's got the shield on.
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: But that was that was probably the most most memorable
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: moment of that AFC championship. But it was close though.
• 24:58
  Speaker 8: I mean, I remember that was a good game.
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: Only had to had was a big part I thought
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: in running it, you know, run into the win.
• 25:05
  Speaker 6: Kevin Falk made an absolutely insane catch on a third
• 25:08
  Speaker 6: down at the end that diving extended a drive that
• 25:14
  Speaker 6: they ended up getting a field goal. That made it
• 25:16
  Speaker 6: a two school game. I think they won twenty one
• 25:17
  Speaker 6: to twelve, so that was a score yep. And they
• 25:20
  Speaker 6: got a field. I think they got a maybe they
• 25:22
  Speaker 6: got a touchdown on it to make it a two
• 25:24
  Speaker 6: score game, but was twenty one to twelve, but it
• 25:27
  Speaker 6: was close. I think it might have been fourteen twelve
• 25:29
  Speaker 6: and they were on the verge of giving the ball
• 25:31
  Speaker 6: back to the Chargers and he I remember Falk making
• 25:35
  Speaker 6: like a one handed catch on a ball way behind
• 25:37
  Speaker 6: him and spun.
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember that.
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: Just crazy. The contrast though, between the six divisional game,
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: where this was a fourteen and two Chargers team like
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: looking like, hey, we're ready to go, and then the
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: next year you had the seven Patriots, which were just
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: one of the all time. Like, it's just strange how
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: quickly the roles kind of reversed, and of course the
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: injuries played a big part for the Chargers.
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: Out from Wisconsin, says The headline of the Patriots win
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: is the Charge has become the first team to miss
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: the flight to Massachusetts.
• 26:04
  Speaker 6: Wow.
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 26:04
  Speaker 6: Wow.
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: Well that's so you're saying there's no chance. Well it
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: is a little chance, but I don't know. I don't
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: really have like an optimistic little I mean, I've had
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: a little bit of optimism against the Giants, against the Colts,
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: and those are bad teams with backup quarterbacks. And this
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: is justin Herbert, and I think that's Patriots pass defense
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: is a little suspect and we don't know who their
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: quarterback is.
• 26:25
  Speaker 6: So, Mike, you like when I gave you the random
• 26:27
  Speaker 6: like red zone moments from earlier in the year, Please,
• 26:30
  Speaker 6: we're talking about the fourth down thing for Staley, and
• 26:33
  Speaker 6: I did I was looking when I did it. He
• 26:35
  Speaker 6: hasn't gone for the fourth downs anywhere near as often
• 26:37
  Speaker 6: as he normally does, only twenty all year, Like as
• 26:42
  Speaker 6: a point of comparison, opponents have gone twenty seven times
• 26:46
  Speaker 6: against the Chargers. But I think that Minnesota game earlier
• 26:52
  Speaker 6: in the year, they had the ball up four and
• 26:54
  Speaker 6: they had like a fourth and like inches from like
• 26:57
  Speaker 6: their own twenty five yard line. He went for it, Yeah,
• 27:01
  Speaker 6: and they didn't get it. And now they ended up
• 27:03
  Speaker 6: lucking out because.
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: They stopped it.
• 27:04
  Speaker 6: They stopped the Vikings, and I wonder if that one
• 27:07
  Speaker 6: was finally the one to lie. I can't do this anymore.
• 27:09
  Speaker 6: I just can't, like he just finally scared them straight,
• 27:13
  Speaker 6: you know.
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: Will writes in there's really not much to look forward
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: to this season, However, I'm excited to see the return
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: of Pat Patriot this week. It is a throwback game.
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: This would have been an all time uniform matchup. If
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: the Chargers were wearing their Navy or royal alternatives, it
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: would have brought me back to the happier Color Rush days.
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: Is there a rule about teams wearing alternative alternatives on
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: the same week.
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't I don't think.
• 27:39
  Speaker 6: I don't know, and I we were talking about that
• 27:42
  Speaker 6: earlier in the week. I don't know if there's a
• 27:43
  Speaker 6: rule about, Like you know how USC and U c
• 27:46
  Speaker 6: l A they both wear their home uniforms when they play. Yeah, yeah,
• 27:51
  Speaker 6: Is there a rule that you can't do that in
• 27:53
  Speaker 6: the NFL?
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: I think it has to do with the colors. Frankly,
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: I think, like could there's an eighty eight thing for
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: people who are color blind. If they're the type of
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: colors that can be mixed up for a color blind person,
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: you can't do it.
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: Was it like a Tampa game. I remember a game
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: early in those color rushes where it was two teams
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: that like the colorblind. People were like, I have no idea,
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: I can't tell these teams, but it was like an all.
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: Red that reminds me I have about I have a theory,
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: and I know this is going down a whole different path.
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: But you brought up color Rush and the last time
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: Seattle played, they wore their neon green things. And I
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: have a theory that it is a disadvantage for Seattle
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: to wear those uniforms.
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: And the reason I say that is.
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: The way your mind, you know, in your eyesight, registers
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: things when you see it. So like you know, especially
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: if like a running back has has the ball, he's
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: probably he's taking in things through his eyesight and his
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: mind is making calculations, like probably thousands of calculations you know,
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: per second, like based on what he sees. But when
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: it's a bright color, it tricks your mind into thinking
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: whatever you're seeing is faster and closer than it actually is,
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: and your mind reacts quicker like a red car, like
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: a red car. And and I my theory is that
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: you know, for example, when a running back has the
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: ball and the Seattle's in their kneon green, you're actually
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: reacting a tick quicker because what you're seeing flashes faster
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: in front of you, so your reaction time speeds.
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: Up just a little bit. Is that just all bright
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: colors or yeah? Bright bright, Yeah, bright color like that.
• 29:34
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I just know the red car thing.
• 29:37
  Speaker 6: Yeah, so red cars look faster.
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: Red cars get pulled over, right.
• 29:42
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 29:42
  Speaker 7: My dad's a big car guy, so he won't let
• 29:44
  Speaker 7: us buy red cars because of that.
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: So I think like the raiders have an advance when
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: they wear they're black and it's a night game especially,
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: that's an advantage, you know, because you react just that
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: tick slower than you would when this bright color is
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: in your field of vision.
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: Interesting. Yeah, to see what broken tackles are like the
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: theory I have working theory. Yeah, any other colors on
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: that one. Yeah. No, Ever, it didn't have a It
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: didn't make sense to me. I don't know.
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: So now, as we always say, whatever the subject is
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: always somebody listening that has an expert.
• 30:20
  Speaker 8: On I looked forward to some of the experts for.
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: A highlighter company.
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: No, but it's like you know a bull that red cape,
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: you know, and you know the the movement and it
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: reacts to it. But I just you know it just
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: makes sense that when something comes into your field of vision,
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: you react, right. But if it if it's brighter, it
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: tricks your mind into thinking it's closer and faster than
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: it actually is.
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: Well, maybe this week next weekend, we'll see some camouflage
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: uniforms from Army Navy that will play into that. There
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: you get away from.
• 30:51
  Speaker 8: Maybe that's what neither one of those teams can score.
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: I can't see anything, No one can react. All right.
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: Eight five to five past five hundred is the sticking
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: hotline web radio at Patriots dot com.
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: It's the email address. My mouse over here.
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: Let's see what people have to say. Jason's in Connecticut.
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: What's up, Jason?
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: Jason?
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: I mean I really didn't make him wait that one.
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: No, you know, we started really twelve thirty. Eric's in
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: New Jersey. Hey, Eric, Hey, Hey you guys doing good. Eric.
• 31:27
  Speaker 12: I've got two points here. I'll take it off the line.
• 31:30
  Speaker 12: I've seen Gerard Mayo's interview.
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: The other day.
• 31:33
  Speaker 13: Whether he was asked, you know, where he should be
• 31:36
  Speaker 13: judged off?
• 31:36
  Speaker 12: His body and work is not his title? Body of work?
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: What is it that you do?
• 31:42
  Speaker 14: Nobody knows?
• 31:43
  Speaker 12: And that's you know, that's my big ripe when you
• 31:44
  Speaker 12: those guys talk about bringing a Mayo into the folds
• 31:47
  Speaker 12: for next year. And then just a second observation, I
• 31:51
  Speaker 12: know Grant and I don't want to pile on Pop
• 31:53
  Speaker 12: Douglas because I think he's been the shining star of
• 31:55
  Speaker 12: this team. But you know, compared to the guys you
• 31:58
  Speaker 12: know that five ten and under from this past I
• 32:00
  Speaker 12: mean we got we may have the worst of the guys.
• 32:02
  Speaker 12: I mean you look at Jaden Reed, Josh Down, Tank Dell,
• 32:06
  Speaker 12: you look at these guys. We're just either obviously you know,
• 32:09
  Speaker 12: kind of better situations. You know, they're they're producing more.
• 32:12
  Speaker 12: And I know Evans, you know, showed that screenshot of
• 32:14
  Speaker 12: you know this past week where the Mario was streaking
• 32:16
  Speaker 12: down the fields when that.
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: Kind of missed him.
• 32:18
  Speaker 12: But it's just I feel like, you know.
• 32:20
  Speaker 13: The ability, just the talent.
• 32:22
  Speaker 12: I mean again, even if you want to get those
• 32:24
  Speaker 12: that five nine, that five preplot guy, we got the
• 32:27
  Speaker 12: worst of the bunch, and there's opportunities to grab these
• 32:29
  Speaker 12: guys when we had the opportunities.
• 32:31
  Speaker 14: And I'll take it off the line.
• 32:32
  Speaker 6: Thanks, thanks Eric.
• 32:33
  Speaker 7: I mean I would just say to uh girod Mayo
• 32:36
  Speaker 7: because I feel like I have to.
• 32:37
  Speaker 6: I don't know.
• 32:38
  Speaker 7: I don't feel like I have to defend Mayo, but
• 32:40
  Speaker 7: I feel like Mayo gets that a lot right of
• 32:44
  Speaker 7: what is it that you exactly that you do around here?
• 32:46
  Speaker 7: And I would just say that I think he does
• 32:48
  Speaker 7: a lot with the defense more.
• 32:51
  Speaker 6: Than maybe we How do you know that?
• 32:54
  Speaker 7: Just just to hunt just you know, yeah, I think
• 32:57
  Speaker 7: I think he does a ton with the defense, a
• 32:59
  Speaker 7: ton game plan, presenting, coaching in practice, you know, implementing
• 33:04
  Speaker 7: the game plan, things like that.
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: And I have no idea the answer.
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: But if you would say responsibility to defense, take Bill
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: Belichick out of the picture. Who has more responsibility of
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: the product that you see on Sunday? Steve or Girod.
• 33:20
  Speaker 7: Honestly, I really do think it's kind of a fifty
• 33:22
  Speaker 7: to fifty split.
• 33:24
  Speaker 6: I really do. I think that Steve.
• 33:26
  Speaker 7: You know, Steve calls the plays so I think a
• 33:29
  Speaker 7: lot of the install and the game plan every single
• 33:33
  Speaker 7: week is based off of playsheet that Steve.
• 33:35
  Speaker 6: Comes up with.
• 33:36
  Speaker 7: You're not gonna have somebody else build the play sheet
• 33:38
  Speaker 7: and then hand it to Steve on Sundays and have
• 33:40
  Speaker 7: him call the defense. That wouldn't make any sense. But
• 33:42
  Speaker 7: I think what Gerard is really good at is presenting
• 33:46
  Speaker 7: and implementing the game plan and getting through to players
• 33:49
  Speaker 7: about what the game plan is, and actually, you know,
• 33:53
  Speaker 7: coaching and teaching things, which I think Steve is a
• 33:56
  Speaker 7: little bit lesser than, and Steve is more of kind
• 33:59
  Speaker 7: of like so the chef.
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: If each of them went off to become a defensive coordinator,
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: who would have the most success.
• 34:08
  Speaker 7: I think Girod's a better leader, which is why I
• 34:11
  Speaker 7: think that he's a better.
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: Head coaching Canada, more cachet.
• 34:14
  Speaker 7: But I think Steve might be the better like X's
• 34:18
  Speaker 7: and O's mind, just because that's what his mind has
• 34:21
  Speaker 7: always been programmed to do. But in general I think
• 34:25
  Speaker 7: that Gerard is Gerard is more capable. I think of
• 34:28
  Speaker 7: like leading a room and you know, addressing a room
• 34:32
  Speaker 7: and leading a room and getting through to guys and
• 34:34
  Speaker 7: things like that.
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: I mean, it would seem obvious, you know. The one
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: thing I would say about Gerard is, you know, before
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: he became a coach, he was a player, and everybody
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: knows his reputation there. He was like little Bill, that's
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: what they called him. He was like a film junkie.
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: He was really into the x's and o's you know,
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: but nobody really knows like who does what? And I know,
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: you know, titles aren't important and all that stuff, and
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: this is the way Bill has already done it. But
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: I think it's kind of a disservice to both of them.
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: Steve N.
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: Gerrod that people really don't know who does what. You know, now,
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: I say that, but I'm sure like if another team
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: was interested in either one of them, it's easy for
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: them to sit down and explain what they did.
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: But it's it's, you know, and I'm sure the important
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: people here know what they're doing, yeah, you know, the
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: higher ups.
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: The crafts, you mean, yeah, but it's it's weird because
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: like you really don't.
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: Know, you know, Yeah, I don't know. I would say
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: on the Pop Douglas thing, it's it's hard. I mean,
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: I get what he's saying on one hand, but on
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: the other hand, I looked at some of those guys,
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: and I mean, other than maybe he's a Flowers, you know,
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: I don't know, they look in the same genre to me,
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: of and it's just hard to split it because you know,
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: a guy likes a Flowers, they he has other options there.
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: I mean, he had Mark Andrews. He has OBJ. I mean,
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: pop Tug is kind of the only thing they have
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: right now. So it's a rookie slot receiver who who
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: I'll admit, is small and I worry about long term
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: holding up being a consistent seventeen game contributor for the team.
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: But for six round pick, I'm pretty happy with.
• 36:05
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 36:06
  Speaker 8: I think it's different than.
• 36:09
  Speaker 6: You know, I say, the Taekwon Thornton, you know, criticism,
• 36:13
  Speaker 6: because those guys are all taking it like the Mario
• 36:17
  Speaker 6: Douglas should be a notch below Josh Downs in Tank
• 36:20
  Speaker 6: Dell and read from Green Bay. He was taken well after.
• 36:25
  Speaker 6: I think all of them.
• 36:27
  Speaker 7: Guys all right, Josh Downs might have been No, I
• 36:30
  Speaker 7: think they're all day too, they too.
• 36:31
  Speaker 6: Right, Yeah, so yeah, I mean you can make it up. Mean,
• 36:34
  Speaker 6: I know that's what Eric was was saying, like, you know,
• 36:37
  Speaker 6: maybe they should have taken one of those guys. And
• 36:38
  Speaker 6: I think, and I know you two in particular really
• 36:42
  Speaker 6: like Josh like so like it's not even a second guest.
• 36:46
  Speaker 6: I agree with what Eric is talking about with with
• 36:48
  Speaker 6: the call. I just I don't know, I don't necessary
• 36:51
  Speaker 6: and I don't think he was saying this. I wouldn't
• 36:52
  Speaker 6: necessarily say, well, I'm disappointed in what they got.
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: I do.
• 36:57
  Speaker 6: I guess I've been sort of the least enthusias asked
• 37:00
  Speaker 6: about Douglas, you know, on the show, for a lot
• 37:04
  Speaker 6: of the reasons that you just said, Mike. But I
• 37:08
  Speaker 6: mean he's been I think he's been really consistent for
• 37:11
  Speaker 6: them when he's played. I worry about what else is there?
• 37:15
  Speaker 6: You know, what else can he do other than catch
• 37:17
  Speaker 6: the quick screens and make a guy miss? Yeah?
• 37:19
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I think with like Tank Dell, Tank Dal is
• 37:22
  Speaker 7: a really good player, but the guy throwing him the
• 37:25
  Speaker 7: ball is.
• 37:26
  Speaker 6: Yeah, oh, he kind of I thought Eric kind of
• 37:28
  Speaker 6: glossed over because I know that the situations are better kind, you.
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: Know, Yeah, Mark Jackson, you can't.
• 37:34
  Speaker 6: You can't get any worse of a situation. He's in
• 37:36
  Speaker 6: the worst offense in football, the second worst statistically behind
• 37:39
  Speaker 6: the Giants.
• 37:40
  Speaker 7: Yeah, but I actually am maybe a little bit less
• 37:43
  Speaker 7: concerned about durability with him and more concerned with the
• 37:46
  Speaker 7: fact that he's made a lot of mistakes. Running routes
• 37:50
  Speaker 7: a lot of mistakes, and at some point you become
• 37:52
  Speaker 7: a repeat offender. And I've pointed the finger at Troy
• 37:56
  Speaker 7: Brown for all of it, because he's a young player.
• 37:58
  Speaker 7: He's a rookie, Like, somebody's got to cut right, you know,
• 38:01
  Speaker 7: someone's got to coach him up on these things.
• 38:02
  Speaker 6: I would also say he had an issue with ball
• 38:05
  Speaker 6: security in college and he's put the ball on the
• 38:07
  Speaker 6: ground a lot.
• 38:08
  Speaker 7: Yeah, as a problem, well, but on punts especially.
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: Could part of it though be You know, we talked
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: about how sophisticated the Patriots offense may or may not
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: be yesterday, and some of that I know when Brady
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: was here, a lot of it was on the receiver
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: to make a decision based on what the coverage was.
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: Are they forcing me inside outside? And you know they
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: could make that decision, and Brady was smart enough to
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: be on the same.
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: Page with guys.
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: Could it be you know that that part of the
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: offense is still intact and Pop Douglas just doesn't make
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: good decisions.
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, rather than running the wrong route.
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: No.
• 38:45
  Speaker 7: Yeah, that's That's kind of where I'm at with it,
• 38:47
  Speaker 7: and I to me, it's less about blaming Pop Douglas
• 38:51
  Speaker 7: for making these mistakes and more about, hey, coaches, this
• 38:55
  Speaker 7: is your most dynamic receiver. Figure out a way to
• 38:57
  Speaker 7: get them open, Like you know, like figure out a
• 38:59
  Speaker 7: way that he can run routes the right way so
• 39:02
  Speaker 7: and get open because clearly he has separation talent, Like
• 39:05
  Speaker 7: that's not the issue is running, you know, in terms
• 39:08
  Speaker 7: of burst and all that kind of stuff. So I
• 39:11
  Speaker 7: put it on Troy Brown and Bill O'Brien to say,
• 39:13
  Speaker 7: all right, well, maybe the juke routes that Edelman and
• 39:17
  Speaker 7: Welker and those guys used to run, maybe that's not
• 39:19
  Speaker 7: your bread and butter. But what what can we do
• 39:22
  Speaker 7: on a locked route where there isn't as much optionality
• 39:24
  Speaker 7: to it to get to allow you to just do
• 39:27
  Speaker 7: your thing. Because clearly he's their best player right now.
• 39:29
  Speaker 7: And I feel like a lot of these conversions that
• 39:32
  Speaker 7: we see down the field. He had one on on
• 39:34
  Speaker 7: Sunday where you know, he opened inside and Mac expected
• 39:36
  Speaker 7: him to open outside and the ball sailed out of bounds,
• 39:40
  Speaker 7: and it's like those are the types of plays that
• 39:42
  Speaker 7: all right, maybe he's not ready for those types of routes.
• 39:44
  Speaker 7: So let's find routes that he is ready to run,
• 39:46
  Speaker 7: because clearly he can get open.
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: But I like that they're running them and that they're
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: using him, And I mean, I also wonder what he's
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: would look like if they had some other pieces that
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: you know, would just knock him down a little bit,
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: and there's other speed for them to deal with, and
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: all of a sudden he gets lost in the mix.
• 40:00
  Speaker 6: I think ideally he's one of those guys that's sort
• 40:02
  Speaker 6: of oh yeah, and they have him too, you know,
• 40:05
  Speaker 6: the way like Isaiah McKenzie came in here for Buffalo
• 40:08
  Speaker 6: a couple of years ago and caught a bunch of passes.
• 40:10
  Speaker 6: I don't think it's a good you know, a good
• 40:12
  Speaker 6: thing that he's basically your leading receiver.
• 40:15
  Speaker 8: No, you know, but but if he had, you know.
• 40:18
  Speaker 6: If you had really good receivers and then he's coming
• 40:20
  Speaker 6: in every once in a while and making a catch
• 40:22
  Speaker 6: or to and making a guy miss, then that there's
• 40:25
  Speaker 6: there's a lot of value that did you guys happen
• 40:26
  Speaker 6: to see? By the way, the Tank Dell thing with C. J. Stroud,
• 40:31
  Speaker 6: Evidently when they drafted Stroud, uh, you know, he came
• 40:35
  Speaker 6: into the facility and then he told him draft Tank Dell.
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: Really so what no.
• 40:42
  Speaker 6: What struck me was the guy was was a Texan
• 40:46
  Speaker 6: for less than twenty four hours, and they took his advice.
• 40:49
  Speaker 6: Tom Brady couldn't get his advice taken on anything for
• 40:52
  Speaker 6: twenty plus years.
• 40:53
  Speaker 7: What struck me more was that c J. Strouden knew
• 40:56
  Speaker 7: who Tank Dell was, Like tank Dell is went to Houston,
• 40:59
  Speaker 7: played a small Yeah, Like I was shocked at c J.
• 41:03
  Speaker 7: Stroud even knew who Tank Dell was. Like the big
• 41:07
  Speaker 7: game for you know, the big week for Tank Dell
• 41:09
  Speaker 7: was down at the Senior Bowl. Se tank Dell was
• 41:11
  Speaker 7: uncoverable in the Senior Bowl and that really put him
• 41:14
  Speaker 7: on the next sort of tier of receivers in the
• 41:18
  Speaker 7: draft last year. But he I have no idea how
• 41:21
  Speaker 7: c J. Stroud he would even know that, like that,
• 41:24
  Speaker 7: that guy is a dude.
• 41:25
  Speaker 6: Like yeah, I mean, yeah, they might have been near
• 41:29
  Speaker 6: each other with those kids. They all know each other now,
• 41:31
  Speaker 6: like they go to all these camps and yeah, maybe.
• 41:34
  Speaker 7: They trained with the same guy for the tomboy.
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: I want to go.
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: I want to go back to the Pop Douglas conversation
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: we were just having. And you know what, it'd be
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: an interesting exercise for you take a guy like Pop Douglas,
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: a young guy, put him in a room, and then
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: take Matt Jones and put him in another room. Don't
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: you know, they can't talk, they can't see each other,
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: they can't hear each other. You show the same play
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: to each guy, So Pop Douglas arts and this route
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: at the top of his route. You stop the film
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: and you say, Okay, what are you seeing?
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: What are you going to do?
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: And you do the same thing with Mac, same play,
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: stop it at the same place, Mac, what are you seeing?
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: What should what do you think Pop's gonna do?
• 42:13
  Speaker 10: It?
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: Kind of like bit like the Newly See how they
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: line up, you know, And you do that again and again,
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: and then you do the same thing with Edelman and
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: Brady and you see that you see the difference.
• 42:24
  Speaker 7: I think a big, a big difference too is I
• 42:27
  Speaker 7: remember asking Brady this towards the end of when Edelman
• 42:30
  Speaker 7: came back from the suspension, and I asked him, like,
• 42:32
  Speaker 7: what what about Edelman is make you love throwing to him?
• 42:36
  Speaker 7: Like why do you love throwing him so much? And
• 42:37
  Speaker 7: he said that he knows his body language, like he
• 42:40
  Speaker 7: knew like when Edelman was going to come out of
• 42:43
  Speaker 7: the break and like when he was gathering to make
• 42:46
  Speaker 7: a cut, and how his sort of body mechanics worked.
• 42:49
  Speaker 7: Because they just threw to each other so many dimes
• 42:52
  Speaker 7: in the off season, the regulars, whatever, and so he
• 42:55
  Speaker 7: said that he just had this like ability to read
• 42:58
  Speaker 7: Edelman's body mechanics and then anticipate where he was gonna
• 43:02
  Speaker 7: go based off of the way his footwork or whatever
• 43:05
  Speaker 7: is moving and those things on these types of routes
• 43:08
  Speaker 7: that Pop Douglas is running in this offense or that
• 43:11
  Speaker 7: doesn't just come overnight like that came from hours and
• 43:14
  Speaker 7: hours and hours of repetition between those two guys.
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: Yeaven. Then it took to Edelman until twenty thirteen to
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: really be that guy, you know.
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: Yeh, all right, as you can see, someone's food is here.
• 43:25
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• 43:27
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  Speaker 3: What's going on, everybody, Let's take a listen to what
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: Bill Belichick had to say at his press conference this
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: morning with the media.
• 44:24
  Speaker 9: All right, top of the morning, how's it going good?
• 44:29
  Speaker 9: Good here? Yeah? All right, so I got rid up
• 44:33
  Speaker 9: to go on San Diego.
• 44:34
  Speaker 16: Well, sorry, Chargers probably make that mistake a few times
• 44:38
  Speaker 16: this week. Uh, but yeah, you know it's a pretty
• 44:42
  Speaker 16: uh you know, pretty talented football team. Have been a
• 44:44
  Speaker 16: lot of close games, you know, really competitive with everybody,
• 44:50
  Speaker 16: you know, they have quite a few explosive players that
• 44:54
  Speaker 16: we got to deal with here. You know, in the
• 44:56
  Speaker 16: kicking game, you know, Davis has you know, done a
• 44:59
  Speaker 16: real good job for him.
• 45:00
  Speaker 14: Uh.
• 45:00
  Speaker 16: In a return game, he's been very explosive and I
• 45:07
  Speaker 16: had the bigger turn against the Jets. But you know
• 45:09
  Speaker 16: they use him on offense too. He's a he's a
• 45:11
  Speaker 16: hard guy to handle. And Dickers you know, obviously kicked
• 45:16
  Speaker 16: very very well, so strong on special teams. You know, offensively, Herbert,
• 45:25
  Speaker 16: you know, can do everything you need a quarterback to do,
• 45:27
  Speaker 16: very athletic, make all the throws. Alan as good as
• 45:31
  Speaker 16: he's been, which has been great. It's because he's having
• 45:35
  Speaker 16: the best year, which is pretty scary. You know, he's
• 45:39
  Speaker 16: a very difficult player to to cover, very strong, great hands, instincts,
• 45:46
  Speaker 16: hard guy to tackle. Obviously, Herbert's got a lot of
• 45:49
  Speaker 16: confidence in a Meckler, you know, another explosive player.
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 45:53
  Speaker 16: And we've got a good, you know, a group of
• 45:54
  Speaker 16: skilled guys with Ever and Johnson.
• 45:59
  Speaker 9: So forth, so.
• 46:01
  Speaker 16: Well balanced offense that you know has been productive. And
• 46:05
  Speaker 16: then you know, defensively, they got several guys up front,
• 46:08
  Speaker 16: even with Bose out with Mac and uh Touley, and
• 46:13
  Speaker 16: you know, guys like that that are really disruptive, can
• 46:16
  Speaker 16: make game changing plays with strift sacks, and they hit
• 46:19
  Speaker 16: the quarterback a lot in passing situations, third and fourth
• 46:22
  Speaker 16: down particular two minutes. You know, they when they when
• 46:26
  Speaker 16: they need to rush, they can, you know they can rush.
• 46:28
  Speaker 16: So James obviously, you know one of the top players
• 46:32
  Speaker 16: in the league. You know Ian Mack or two guys
• 46:36
  Speaker 16: that can really you know, ruin the game, have ruined
• 46:38
  Speaker 16: plenty of games and so got to do a good job,
• 46:43
  Speaker 16: good job on them. You know, the new offense or
• 46:46
  Speaker 16: a little bit of a new offense, I guess, you
• 46:48
  Speaker 16: know with coach Moore, you know, Herbert's had a lot
• 46:52
  Speaker 16: of production with it. Spread the ball around a lot
• 46:55
  Speaker 16: besides Alan, but you know Allen obviously is the go
• 46:58
  Speaker 16: to guy. But after that, you know, get a lot
• 47:00
  Speaker 16: of touches to to the other receivers, tight ends the backs,
• 47:04
  Speaker 16: uh and and they create some explosive plays. And you know,
• 47:07
  Speaker 16: Herbert creates some plays on his own win or really
• 47:09
  Speaker 16: isn't anything there.
• 47:11
  Speaker 9: You know, he pulls something out with a scramble or
• 47:13
  Speaker 9: an extended play or.
• 47:17
  Speaker 16: You know, throwing to into tight coverage that that you know,
• 47:20
  Speaker 16: there an't too many guys can.
• 47:21
  Speaker 9: Get in there, but you know he can. So good
• 47:25
  Speaker 9: opportunity for us this week.
• 47:26
  Speaker 16: And you know the team we kind of know a
• 47:27
  Speaker 16: little bit about, but you know, need to refamiliarize ourselves
• 47:31
  Speaker 16: with here in the next few days.
• 47:35
  Speaker 10: With Chad ratherin end the stickers and he's on the rosa, tend.
• 47:41
  Speaker 13: To me bring in another ticker.
• 47:43
  Speaker 16: Just we work some guys out. We usually do that
• 47:46
  Speaker 16: anyway this time of year. So look, the guys that
• 47:50
  Speaker 16: are here need to be ready to go. That's that's
• 47:53
  Speaker 16: what everybody's job is.
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: Thought. Maybe adding a kicker there just at the second one.
• 47:59
  Speaker 9: We're gonna fill those spots up. Today.
• 48:04
  Speaker 10: Bill had he envision the quarterback depth chart shake out
• 48:06
  Speaker 10: this week.
• 48:07
  Speaker 16: Yeah, I'm not gonna make any announcements on our lineup
• 48:09
  Speaker 16: at any position then, So it doesn't matter what the
• 48:12
  Speaker 16: position is. We're not See how practice goes and see
• 48:16
  Speaker 16: if everybody's ready to go. Hope everybody's ready to go,
• 48:18
  Speaker 16: see what the injury situation is, and we'll go through
• 48:21
  Speaker 16: we thinks best on Sunday.
• 48:22
  Speaker 10: So even with the way things went last week against
• 48:25
  Speaker 10: the Giants, do the same thing again this week.
• 48:29
  Speaker 9: Yeah, I didn't say that. I said I'm not going
• 48:31
  Speaker 9: to announce anything.
• 48:32
  Speaker 10: What about the team?
• 48:35
  Speaker 16: Yeah, well, I think again everybody's everybody's got their own
• 48:38
  Speaker 16: their own job to do, and hopefully that's what.
• 48:40
  Speaker 9: They're focused on, not what everybody else is doing. That's
• 48:43
  Speaker 9: the way.
• 48:43
  Speaker 16: All I need to do is focus on what our
• 48:46
  Speaker 16: job is, do the best we can add it, and
• 48:48
  Speaker 16: don't worry about what everybody.
• 48:49
  Speaker 9: Else is doing. That would that would help all of us.
• 48:53
  Speaker 6: Don't care like.
• 48:55
  Speaker 16: The mac Jones after, especially as Dallas and Orleans is
• 49:00
  Speaker 16: the Raiders week, he said, yeah, we're not making any changes.
• 49:03
  Speaker 8: What makes you take a different.
• 49:04
  Speaker 10: Approach the last couple of weeks and being asked about
• 49:06
  Speaker 10: and start awards back?
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: Uh?
• 49:09
  Speaker 16: Yeah, because that's we'll see how it goes. I'm not
• 49:13
  Speaker 16: prepared to make any announcement, so I'm not gonna do that.
• 49:18
  Speaker 7: How do you feel, like mac Jones?
• 49:23
  Speaker 9: Well, we don't.
• 49:24
  Speaker 16: We haven't won enough games, so I don't think anybody's
• 49:26
  Speaker 16: performed well enough.
• 49:27
  Speaker 9: We all need to do a better job.
• 49:31
  Speaker 6: Do you personally have a plan for quarterback this Sunday
• 49:33
  Speaker 6: or we'll practice determine that this week.
• 49:36
  Speaker 9: We'll see how it goes.
• 49:39
  Speaker 17: Bailey's actually have to show you to earn a start.
• 49:45
  Speaker 16: Look, every player, whatever opportunities they have, need to do
• 49:49
  Speaker 16: the best with them that they can practice games, even
• 49:53
  Speaker 16: in meetings and other preparation opportunities. So that's what a
• 49:57
  Speaker 16: player can do, be prepared to the best he can,
• 49:59
  Speaker 16: and that's what each guy will have an opportunity to
• 50:02
  Speaker 16: do that somewhere along the line. You know, with the
• 50:04
  Speaker 16: course of a long season, a lot of times it's
• 50:07
  Speaker 16: multiple times in a day. Sometimes for some players the
• 50:10
  Speaker 16: opportunities are a little bit different. But when those opportunities come,
• 50:13
  Speaker 16: that's what players need to do, and that's what they've
• 50:16
  Speaker 16: been told and they know understand that, and I think
• 50:18
  Speaker 16: they're doing the best they can.
• 50:19
  Speaker 9: So see, it goes.
• 50:21
  Speaker 17: It's something you're seeing mechanically. Is it something emotionally that
• 50:24
  Speaker 17: can be fixed? What's the best way to handle them?
• 50:29
  Speaker 16: Again, I think you know, we've talked to all the
• 50:30
  Speaker 16: players about things they need to do. You know, we've
• 50:33
  Speaker 16: been doing that all year. It took more time to
• 50:34
  Speaker 16: do that in a bye week. You know, each players
• 50:37
  Speaker 16: certain things that you know, we feel like they can
• 50:38
  Speaker 16: focus on to improve and they're working on those.
• 50:41
  Speaker 17: But a player like Mac is he seeking help to
• 50:43
  Speaker 17: sort of get better in any specific way.
• 50:46
  Speaker 16: Every player is trying to improve. Absolutely every player on
• 50:48
  Speaker 16: our team's trying to improve. I don't I won't see
• 50:52
  Speaker 16: that from anybody. They're they're all trying to improve. What
• 50:54
  Speaker 16: can I do better? Work on it?
• 50:56
  Speaker 9: Whether it's practice.
• 50:57
  Speaker 16: Meetings, fundamentalsmmunication like whatever it is, and so we'll keep
• 51:03
  Speaker 16: doing that.
• 51:05
  Speaker 10: What does it mean to have army maybe in the
• 51:07
  Speaker 10: building as the fact that they're playing up here this year?
• 51:12
  Speaker 16: I mean, look, obviously it's a huge game. I'm heavily
• 51:15
  Speaker 16: invested in the Naval Academy. But let's deal with that
• 51:17
  Speaker 16: next week. Hock to start, well, we didn't have total
• 51:24
  Speaker 16: control of that. He could have been claimed by another team.
• 51:28
  Speaker 16: What was it the so once he wasn't claimed by
• 51:31
  Speaker 16: another team, then we reopened the discussions.
• 51:34
  Speaker 9: But we didn't control that.
• 51:37
  Speaker 16: Could you envision him getting a few more snaps with
• 51:41
  Speaker 16: the regular All the players that are on the practice
• 51:44
  Speaker 16: squad or unless they've used all their practice squad elevations
• 51:49
  Speaker 16: are eligible to be practice squad elevated. Other players could
• 51:53
  Speaker 16: be signed to the roster. I could do with Connor
• 51:56
  Speaker 16: last week, it was out of elevations. So if they're
• 51:58
  Speaker 16: on the practice squad, they're eligible and are preparing and
• 52:03
  Speaker 16: are should be ready to play and potentially are ready
• 52:05
  Speaker 16: to play.
• 52:07
  Speaker 9: Does that includes everybody?
• 52:10
  Speaker 10: The league said last week we're coming out that he
• 52:13
  Speaker 10: hasn't taken regular quarterback reps two six.
• 52:17
  Speaker 6: Changed it back to wide receiver just enough.
• 52:20
  Speaker 9: To do move him back anywhere.
• 52:22
  Speaker 16: He's been playing wide receiver all year, and he's played
• 52:24
  Speaker 16: he's also played in a quarterback.
• 52:26
  Speaker 10: Well, why did you haven't saw practicing a quarterback?
• 52:32
  Speaker 16: Well, there are other players that are practicing a quarterback
• 52:34
  Speaker 16: as well. Okay, he's not the only guy out there.
• 52:37
  Speaker 16: And then it depends a little bit on the offense
• 52:38
  Speaker 16: that we're seeing. So if we're seeing offenses that run
• 52:41
  Speaker 16: plays that he's very good at running teams like Philadelphia
• 52:45
  Speaker 16: the first Miami game, it's you know, then he gets
• 52:49
  Speaker 16: I mean, they're practice squad reps, but there are also
• 52:51
  Speaker 16: reps on things that he does. So he's kind of
• 52:54
  Speaker 16: a unique player that things aren't straight lined with him.
• 52:57
  Speaker 16: He's different than probably every other player we have on
• 52:59
  Speaker 16: the team, So he's handled a little bit differently.
• 53:04
  Speaker 10: Phil We've seen you bench and Demoe players for performance
• 53:08
  Speaker 10: all the time, fumble, not getting your feet and bounds,
• 53:11
  Speaker 10: what have you? Mat Jonson, Now we've benched four times
• 53:13
  Speaker 10: for performance, but he keeps getting the opportunity and keeps
• 53:16
  Speaker 10: getting a starting job at what makes him different from
• 53:19
  Speaker 10: everyone else.
• 53:19
  Speaker 9: On the team.
• 53:21
  Speaker 16: Yeah, well, look, every situation is different, So I mean,
• 53:23
  Speaker 16: I don't really know exactly what you're referring to, but
• 53:26
  Speaker 16: it doesn't really matter, Like we're gonna do what we
• 53:28
  Speaker 16: feel the best for the team based on the individual situation.
• 53:32
  Speaker 17: Bill players make mistakes, obviously, but when a kicker makes
• 53:36
  Speaker 17: a mistake, I mean obviously chadwils said, you know, everything
• 53:39
  Speaker 17: was good with his kick, he just missed it.
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: He handled kickers a.
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: Little bit differently in terms of keeping the confidence up
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: and getting to the position where they're confident with every kick.
• 53:48
  Speaker 6: Think go up here, you know to.
• 53:49
  Speaker 16: Make Yeah, I look, confidence is something that comes internally
• 53:54
  Speaker 16: and it comes when you have success. So you can
• 53:58
  Speaker 16: talk about it all you want, and there's maybe some
• 54:01
  Speaker 16: merit to that, but in the end, you get confidence
• 54:04
  Speaker 16: when you do something successfully and then you're confident that
• 54:07
  Speaker 16: you can repeat that success. So well, that's in games,
• 54:11
  Speaker 16: is in practice. There are ways to try to you know,
• 54:14
  Speaker 16: construct that. But I mean, in the end, the execution
• 54:17
  Speaker 16: is the only way you have any genuine confidence and
• 54:20
  Speaker 16: give a fake confidence. But genuine confidence comes from real
• 54:23
  Speaker 16: performance under pressure. That's true of every position.
• 54:27
  Speaker 18: When someone accidentally threw away the school play costumes, oh no,
• 54:32
  Speaker 18: replacements were shipped with FedEx and with picture proof of delivery,
• 54:36
  Speaker 18: everybody could focus on the perfect opening night FedEx. Where
• 54:40
  Speaker 18: now it's next for residential delivery only.
• 54:44
  Speaker 6: And now great moments in.
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: History.
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: If you stand up on the third level of State,
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: look at on the parking lot now and remember what
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: that parking lot to look at it was like a
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: big flea market park.
• 55:00
  Speaker 8: To bring morell into to make sure we were all safe.
• 55:02
  Speaker 19: Yeah, and bring on the marine like just how like
• 55:05
  Speaker 19: the cement structures of like walking out into the lower
• 55:08
  Speaker 19: level where like you'd kind of come down the ramp
• 55:11
  Speaker 19: but you'd still be in like this like turret almost
• 55:13
  Speaker 19: like you know, and then you'd come up and oh,
• 55:15
  Speaker 19: here's the stadium.
• 55:16
  Speaker 8: There's a field like right here, you.
• 55:18
  Speaker 19: Know, but I remember it raining there and it would
• 55:20
  Speaker 19: just be like a river coming through.
• 55:22
  Speaker 8: Those things, like you know, you couldn't even get to it.
• 55:26
  Speaker 6: Would come out of the pipe on the side right down.
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: The stairs and even inside you know, they had that
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: one building in the end zone that was the build off.
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: Everything was there in the locker.
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: Room and everything, and the backstairs led down to the
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: locker room and the super The brmell of urine would
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: just waved up into the way.
• 55:48
  Speaker 8: It would wave.
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: Waft waft loft. It was just awful.
• 55:54
  Speaker 4: That's another great moment from.
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: All right.
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• 56:12
  Speaker 1: I love that stadium. That's a good story whenever it
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: comes up. I just I have such fond memories of
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: that terrible place.
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: I mean, there's so many like rooms that would double
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: as different things, Like they had the VI Club VIP
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: Club that on game day was sort of like the club.
• 56:28
  Speaker 8: It was like a suite.
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: Then during the week it's where the players ate their lunch.
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: You know, we would work in there like when no
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: one else was there, and when people came in, we'd
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: pack up and go into a coat room, and I'm
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: not kidding literal coat room. It was just you know,
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: it was it was fifth rate, It wasn't even third rate.
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: What was it like for you when you first started
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: working there, and that you're.
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: Like guys that were used at When I first started
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: working here in ninety five, I worked in Boston. The
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: crafts had one floor of one Boston place, and so
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: I worked there for a few years.
• 57:03
  Speaker 6: Then you know, they just and he had that stuff
• 57:06
  Speaker 6: that he's talking about in that stadium.
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: But some of the people that worked for me worked here,
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: you know, because they had to be around the team
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: every day, and they they had all the equipment in.
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: A code closet.
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: And then one time there was an event and we
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: actually were taking coats for people while we were working
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: and giving them their ticket.
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: That was before me, and it was the newspaper your
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: primarily like well focused.
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: It was started, but I started in January ninety five,
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: But in March of ninety five we started the website
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: and that changed everything. We were the first pro team
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: with a website. And you know, obviously it's content, whether
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: it's newspapers. So I ended up doing.
• 57:46
  Speaker 8: Both, Mike, if you can believe it, when but.
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: The paper was dominant. You know, his website was you
• 57:53
  Speaker 2: know Nason.
• 57:54
  Speaker 6: That at that time the paper was far and away
• 57:58
  Speaker 6: the biggest priority. But just to show you like the
• 58:01
  Speaker 6: difference is when when the website started, when I started
• 58:04
  Speaker 6: in ninety nine, Fred used to say, Okay, we need
• 58:08
  Speaker 6: to make sure that we have an update on the website,
• 58:11
  Speaker 6: one update every day. Something Fred like Fred would say, like,
• 58:16
  Speaker 6: you know, give him a reason to come around the stadium.
• 58:18
  Speaker 6: You know, like there's like they painted the weight room something.
• 58:20
  Speaker 6: It could be something silly, you know, but we want
• 58:23
  Speaker 6: to update the way. Can you imagine going a day
• 58:25
  Speaker 6: without like fifteen things going on the website.
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was like just put something on there to
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: you know, reward somebody for coming today, you know, something
• 58:36
  Speaker 2: different that than yesterday. And you know, we had one
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: person out Originally the person who's doing the update was
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: someone from PR and you know I finally said to him,
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: I said, listen, you're either going to go stand with
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: a clipboard for PR. Are you going to do this website?
• 58:54
  Speaker 2: You got to choose, and the person chose Anthony mulready.
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: He chose PR, and then we hired somebody to do
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: the updates for the website.
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it sounds such like a side project now, like
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: you know, we have to do the website, you know,
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: just get that done too. But well I was, I
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: was a subscriber for season or two to to PF PFW.
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: Well everybody was at one point, you know. I just
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: wish I saved them.
• 59:16
  Speaker 8: Yeah, it was.
• 59:18
  Speaker 6: And then when I when I started, it was down
• 59:21
  Speaker 6: in the old the Foxborough Entertainment Complex was the old racetrack. Yeah,
• 59:27
  Speaker 6: the FEC that it'd be called the FACT and the
• 59:29
  Speaker 6: revs were down there, our offices around. That's where I
• 59:32
  Speaker 6: met with Freddy when fred interviewed me, and we had
• 59:36
  Speaker 6: like a whole little area. It was a little kitchen
• 59:38
  Speaker 6: and stuff and it was fine. It was good. And
• 59:40
  Speaker 6: then there was like a lot a lot of space
• 59:42
  Speaker 6: that was just empty. You know, they had a lot
• 59:45
  Speaker 6: of storage and stuff. So we we'd have some great
• 59:47
  Speaker 6: like great football games.
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: Already building here when you started.
• 59:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think they had broken ground.
• 59:53
  Speaker 6: I don't know. I don't think they had when I first.
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: I just I remember sitting in the old stadium and
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: looking out at the you know, the old remnants of
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: the racetrack and being like, what the hell was that. Yeah, no,
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: that was trace Track.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: We worked there and then when they finally demolished that
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: because they needed to start, we moved down the street.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: There was a little office park down.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 8: Route one that was a good place to work too.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it was great because we were by ourselves,
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: you know, no one was overseeing us. So the pro shop,
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: you know, we had just started e commerce too back then,
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 2: and they had their little operation back there and making
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 2: hot dogs on a George Foreman.
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 6: And oh we did Red Sox opening day one year.
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 6: We had like a little tailgate inside.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 2: We would play with football inside the buildings.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: Stories about basketball was big.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: Michelle Muse would be laying out the paper and the
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 2: ball would like land on her keyboard and she would be.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 6: She wouldn't even she wouldn't even break stride to just
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 6: take the ball and throw it over her head.
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: A bunch of guys.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 6: Yeah, but we're always did I wrong.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 2: There was a lot of downtime while we waited for
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: photos to come back from the lab and all that.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: So while that was happening, we'd you know, be trying
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: to stay awake.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 6: And we mentioned that Silverman used to take the photo
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 6: like take his negatives and whatever. Take the film and
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 6: go like this, Well they come back with print.
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 2: Well, he'd come back with prints, and then the Prince
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 2: would go to Worcester to ran Whitney because they had
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 2: a drum scanner and they would scan them all in
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 2: and then we would use them. But it was like
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 2: an eight hour process after the game.
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 6: Right, and then finally when we got into like the
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 6: digital age, that all streamlined like significantly.
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: It became a hyper production.
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 6: And then you know, it's funny because once that happened,
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 6: it was great for production and everything. But then that
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 6: was kind of the the early death noll for newspapers
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 6: for princes because you didn't need it anymore. Yeah, well
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 6: that's where we started putting everything on the webs.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: This is weird that you guys were, you know here
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: before it all kind of went crazy in terms of
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: good and you know, but we also coincided with the
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: rise of the internet, the rise of social media. I mean,
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: like just how different covering sports is just ins And.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: It was also different because there were hard deadlines. You know,
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 2: we had a slot at the printer to print the
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: newspaper am on Monday morning, no matter what matter, if
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 2: it was a night game. You know, it had to
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 2: be there at ten am. And I remember one game,
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 2: our other editor, Brian Morey was out for some reason
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 2: or something. Paul had to do like everything himself.
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 8: I don't think he was out.
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 2: He was writing a book, and uh, you know, I
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 2: was as as the night progressed, like a different article
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 2: of clothing would come off by the end of the night,
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 2: is under shirt. I swear to god, he's sweating.
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: Just trying to get everything done.
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 8: It was like Brian exaggerates a lot of things about me.
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 8: He is not exaggerating.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you must have never let him forget that one
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: he was working on a book I think that week.
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 6: Yeah, and then and then to top it all off,
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 6: like and this was a pretty cool thing. Like I'd
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 6: make fun of them all the time, but like that
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 6: the first Patriots book Patriots United, because we all know
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 6: I wrote the second one in about twenty minutes and
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 6: I didn't miss any time.
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 8: I'm done on the paper.
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 6: But when when Brian did that, like we had like
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 6: a launch party at the pro shop and like we
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 6: did it up big with like you know, pr and stuff,
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 6: and like you know, at the time, the last thing
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 6: I wanted to hear about was anything related to this
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 6: for cocked a book, right, So Brian's like, i'd really
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 6: you know, i'd really like it if you, if you,
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 6: if you came, you know, like I want to. I
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 6: was like, so I came and I'm taking pictures and stuff,
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 6: and I was like, I had nothing to write it
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 6: and I just made and it was It wasn't just
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 6: like an issue. It was like the Draft Preview, which
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 6: is one of our tent pole issues. You know, we
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 6: had thirty issues every year. Draft Preview and Draft Review
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 6: were as big as any of them, and that was
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 6: one of the ones that he missed. Yeah, and I
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 6: was like, yeah, yeah, I'll go to your little party
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 6: with Dures you know, well the appealing grapes for you
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 6: like the books. But Fred is so right, Like I
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 6: was just like, you know, sweatshirt comes off because the
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 6: hat like tilted to the side. I'm sweating and just
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 6: writing draft like we're not going to be ready, Fred,
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 6: We're not going.
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: To be read.
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 6: Don't worry about it.
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 8: It's probably like we're not going to be done.
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: You're probably writing about Deon Branch and like pulling all
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: that from that, right.
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 6: I know. I was frazzles, and I like to to
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 6: like I'm pretty emotional and opinionated, but I like to
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 6: think I'm pretty cool under pressure.
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 8: But I was not cool under pressure that week.
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: But what's what's.
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 2: The going back to that Walpole Park place? What was
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 2: the biggest thing you remember that happened there?
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 6: The biggest thing?
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I have mine, and.
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 2: I wonder if yours is the same as some stories
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 2: like the event that happened there that you're like, oh,
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 2: that that's what you always remember.
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 6: Huh, I don't know.
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: Nine to eleven.
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 8: Oh, oh okay.
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 6: I was thinking, no, I was taking off his h
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 6: but absolutely, Fred Fred, Yeah, you went serious on me.
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 6: Like I was thinking when Rick did put that in
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 6: Sync sign on the back of my car.
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 2: That was good. That was a good story.
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 6: So in Sync is playing at the Old Stadium and like,
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 6: my wife is going, she's taking my nieces and stuff.
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 6: The webmaster, who uh Rick Rick Eames. He took this
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 6: piece of cardboard and he somehow like bought this wire
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 6: and it's like honk if you love in Sync, But
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 6: he kept it.
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 2: He rigged it up in such a way that Paul
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 2: wouldn't see it when he got in his car. But
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 2: once he started driving.
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 8: It down, so driving.
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 6: Everyone and I'm meeting bet at like Papa Gino's and
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 6: and like everybody's beeping and.
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 8: I'm like what. I'm like, I'm driving like ten.
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: Miles a man, exactly. You got that right.
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 8: I looked at it.
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 6: I was like, oh, that's that's just too perfect. Everybody,
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 6: every single person in the building knew about it, and
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 6: they all were what And they couldn't wait for me
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 6: to get back because I was going down to meet
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 6: Bath and my nieces and I was coming back and
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 6: they were like, I back, go and I get out
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 6: of it.
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: And I was like, son of a gotcha that's funny.
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 6: Or or Shane playing Nerve Hoop and used to get
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 6: mad at us because you always were afraid that we're
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 6: gonna hurt Shane.
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he had serebal Pauls. You know, it would get physical, and.
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 8: I was like, you know, you gotta be I'm just
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 8: I'm just worried about ship.
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: That was heady times, heady times times back before the dynasty.
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I guess. And also like people like when I uh,
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 6: you get asked a lot of questions like what made
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 6: you stay like this is like what made you stay there.
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 8: This, Yeah, this is what made.
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 2: You stay Remember when Brian Moorean Dave Crissoli had to
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 2: sprint the race. Oh yeah, we did it on this
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 2: is before this before side felt, right, like we had
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 2: the race before side felt.
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 6: So they used to have like, uh, we used to
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 6: have this little basketball competition and uh Cauzoli was the
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 6: the commissioner and Brian used to not play by the
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 6: rules and he used to just do his own thing.
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 6: So he broke off and he created his own, his
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 6: own league off his studs. So he did it on
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 6: his own and they got there. They were getting really
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 6: competitive and it was mostly tongue in cheek, but it
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 6: was just a hint of seriousness. Yeah, and they were
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 6: betting over who could win in a forty yard dash.
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 6: So we got this all together and we get you know,
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 6: Dave had his old camera with the what the XL.
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: One, Yeah, yeah, so I had.
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 6: So I think Bob took the camera and I and
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 6: I had the mic. I was doing play by the
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 6: player and racing on the parking lot and I'm just
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 6: waiting for someone to like pull a hammy or you know,
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 6: take a header in this like Sandy Parking lot and
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 6: Morey won one.
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 8: I think Brian won.
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, just not by mud. They were both you know
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: at you.
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 8: Know, Dave was a good football player, but he was
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 8: more of alignment.
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was funny. Oh my god, crazy? All right?
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 2: Five to five past five hundred is a.
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: Web radio.
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 2: We've been here a long time. Uh, let's go to
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 2: Andrew and Chelsea. What's up Andrew?
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: Hey, how are you guys doing good?
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 14: So I've got kind of a.
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 13: Dream scenario here, and I would love to hear have
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 13: you guys tell me how realistic this is? Just practically speaking,
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 13: I would love to see the Patriots trade Bill Belichick
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 13: to a team like the Commanders for a first round pick,
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 13: then target Marvin Harrison with our own tick Jaden Daniels
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 13: with that pick, and then go after a guy like
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 13: Pat All in the second round. And then, just speaking
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 13: to the conversation you guys were having before the break,
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 13: as long as we've got a plan to get the
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 13: quarterback in place, I think the best thing we can
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 13: do to maximize the Mario Douglass is to add a
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 13: guy like Marvin Harrison Jr.
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 6: Sure I agree with that last part. If you had
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 6: really good receivers then you had like a sort of
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 6: a niche guy like that.
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, you get.
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 6: Like a little kiky kootique.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 2: If Daniel's starting to intrigue you a little bit.
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 8: I really liked DNS. But if he's getting up to
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 8: the top five, yeah no.
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 2: But like I as a second pick, if you could do.
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 1: It, I haven't watched man. Yeah.
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 6: I mean the part that I think is unrealistic is
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 6: I do not listen. I could be proven wrong many
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 6: times it's happened. I don't think anyone's given you a
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 6: first round pick for Bill Belichick. But if it happens,
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 6: then that that that scenario is in play.
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 2: I was thinking, Okay, you know, how realistic is it
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 2: that Bill will play along with that? If if he
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 2: wants to leave or the Crafts want him to leave,
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 2: why would he go to a team that immediately has
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 2: to give up a first round pick. I know he's
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 2: been through this before where the Jets had to give
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 2: up you know, we had to give up a pick
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 2: for him and so on, and the Jets had to
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 2: give up a pick for Parcels. So he knows it happens,
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 2: but why would he play along?
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 1: Well, aren't those scenarios usually the head coach wants to go.
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's.
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 6: What's not a specific right right to a specific.
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 1: Place, And it's not really about the team that he's
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 1: with is done with him. It's that he wants to go.
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 6: So that's what I think.
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 2: The only way I think, Paul, this might what this
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 2: could happen, is if there's only one team that wants.
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 6: Him, but does he want them?
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's what I If he wants to coach,
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 2: he really wants to keep coaching, and there's only one team.
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 6: Yeah, and that's that's the bottom line. Yeah, all it
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 6: takes is one team.
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 1: If you were Bill Belichick's agent, I mean, what would
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: you advise him? I mean, how would you best play
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: this to get him into a new situation if that's
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: what he wanted with the maximum amount of money, I.
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 2: Would say to you know again, please no one think
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 2: that I know anything or any of us know anything.
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 2: We're just spitballing here, you know. But if I was
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 2: his agent, I would say, they'll make them fire you.
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 2: If they don't want you, they have to fire you
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 2: and then pay you.
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 6: Some might say trotting out Mac Jones week after week
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 6: after week is an.
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 2: Effort I heard that on your one of your shows
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 2: this morning. That really yeah, that that.
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 8: I bet I better foddle it back when I go
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 8: on my shoulder this afternoon.
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 1: That Bill is trying to be fired. Yeah, he's doing.
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 6: I think he looks like Costanza driving around the Yank
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 6: he's parking lot with the trophy.
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 10: Hang.
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 1: I heard that theory this morning.
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 2: But but in all seriousness, like if I were, if
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 2: you're his agent, I'm not talking about Bill, but if
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 2: you're his agent, you're like Bill, make them fire you.
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 2: Then he can do whatever I quit don't agree to,
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 2: you know, stay on until a trade can be consummated.
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 1: Tell them fire me, right and because then they probably
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 1: own money too, right, So you are double dick. You've
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 1: got the money, the new money.
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 8: And that's what I think.
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 6: Like the Rappaport, you know, the follow up to the extension,
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 6: probably like a month ago now, was Robert Craft. There's
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 6: no intentions of firing him during the season. But to
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 6: clarify the extension was only through twenty four. I think
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 6: that's that's an announcement. All you thirty one other teams,
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 6: any of you interested in Bill Belichick, He's still going
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 6: to be under contract. To us, and if you want him,
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 6: it's going to cost compensation or this money whatever they
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 6: owe them, you know, something like that.
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but does it ever happened before where a team
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 1: just trades their coach like kind of I don't want
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 1: to say out of nowhere, but you know what I mean,
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: just like this, no, this is this is it? No?
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 6: Not like Peyton and uh, you know John Gruden went
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 6: from the snowball here HM to Tampa Bay the next year.
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 6: Like it happens, but it's always like the.
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 2: Coach wants to go, wants to go, and there's a
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 2: destination in mind, like you said, yeah, you know, so
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 2: it's it's a tricky situation.
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 6: And I don't know, like Peyton was able to sit
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 6: out a year, you know, at seventy one. I don't
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 6: know if Bill has the luxury of being able to
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 6: sit out.
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 2: Somebody asked the question that a recent press conference. I
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 2: forget who it was, but you know, there's rumors out
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 2: there that you have a destination in mind already, and
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 2: he said, that's ridiculous.
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 1: That's what's come out. I feel like over the last
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 1: I don't know month, is that I mean leading up
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 1: to this, it was always does the team want him?
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 6: Does the team want him?
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 1: And now I feel like in the last couple of
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: weeks it's started to turn to, hey, does Bill want
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: to be here? Does he does he even want to
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 1: think that he can can rebuild this team from where
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 1: it is.
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 2: But even if he doesn't want to be here, you
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 2: play it like you want to be here, you make
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 2: them fire you. Yeah, you know, I'm not going anywhere.
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 2: My plan is to be here in twenty twenty four
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 2: and coaches football.
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 6: Team and Fred I'm afraid that that's what's going to
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 6: end up happening. Is when we're going to get to
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 6: January eighth, which I think is Black Monday, I think
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 6: both of both sides are going to say, no, we're
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 6: not firing you, and Bill's going to say, well, I'm not.
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 1: Well. I hope it doesn't. I hope that doesn't get
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 1: drawn out.
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 2: You know, like like the idea of compensation for Bill
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 2: Belichick is intriguing. You'd love to get a first round pick,
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 2: even a second something, but it might be unrealistic. And
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 2: I hope that the Crafts don't draw this out, just
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 2: like I hope I let go if that's what they
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 2: know what they do with that's what they want.
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 6: And I know, like you know, they could point and say, well,
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 6: you know, that's what happened in two thousand when they
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 6: got Bill, and I think it was February, right.
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 2: But Bill gave the famous note to them that I
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 2: resign as any you know, head coach of then ep
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 2: AJ But whatever they're.
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 6: You know, Yeah, My point is the team that was
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 6: acquiring Belichick did wait a month before they knew for
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 6: sure that they were going to get him, and they
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 6: and they did it. It didn't matter for the Jets
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 6: because the Jets had nothing to lose. They weren't gonna
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 6: they didn't want Belichick back at that point, so they
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 6: were able to wait it out. But and it worked. Yeah,
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 6: I don't know if that's ideal to do something like
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 6: that again, is it in your best interest to wait
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 6: another month while you're haggling? And and I know I'm
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 6: not a lot to.
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 8: Do, right, I'm not naive.
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 6: I know that they're talking to whoever is going to
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 6: be the next coach, and if it's Mayo or whoever else,
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 6: I'm not naive enough to think, well, Bill Belichick's the
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 6: head coach that's going to prevent them from wouldn't get
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 6: anybody else. No, we'll be talking and working the channels.
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 2: And even when Parcels left, you know, the Patriots weren't
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 2: going to let him go without the Jets giving the
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 2: Patriots compensation, So that got drawn out a little bit.
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 2: But in both those instances, Belichick coming here and Parcels
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 2: going there, you had a quarterback and Drew Bledsoe like,
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 2: the off season wasn't this thing where my god, we've
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 2: got to make a lot of moves and we can't
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 2: wait for someone to be there to make those moves.
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 2: And you had the quarterback in both situations, this is
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 2: a different situation.
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 1: We've got things to do. Yeah, you know, we've got
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 1: a lot to do.
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 6: Where we really need to sit down with Robert Craft.
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 8: You get that arranged, Yeah.
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 1: One on one. Yeah, breaking news.
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 2: So it's it's gonna be a fascinating off season. It's
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 2: coming quick. But like I said, if I was Belichick's agent,
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 2: I'd be like, hold time.
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, I think that's what he's gonna do.
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 1: Fred on the jayde Daniels of it, though, Paul, like,
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 1: I just I'm you know, and I'm kind of proud
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 1: of how I cover the draft because I don't really
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 1: pay attention until the season's over, and then I jump
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 1: in and try to come at it with with me
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 1: whys But why is it that like that make you proud?
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 1: Because I feel like it brings a new perspective, like
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: everybody like you know, and I think it's funny like
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 1: that you all of a sudden. But but my question
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 1: is why is it a month ago all we were
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 1: talking about was Caleb Williams and Drake May kayleb Wills,
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, here comes Lsu and this
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 1: kid and Jane Dingels. What in the mix?
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 8: Like, I'll tell you, I'll tell you what I like
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 8: about it? Is Andrew still on the line, I think
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 8: so I think he's listening.
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 2: Oh okay, hi Andrew, did you have anything else or
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 2: you want to go?
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 1: I don't want to sew.
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 8: We're working all right?
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 6: Thanks?
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 8: Thanks Andrew.
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 1: I just heard. But it's just funny, how like what
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 1: I like about it?
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 6: Though? See when this happens in February, it irritates the
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 6: hell out of me. Yeah, but it's happening now because
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 6: he's playing at a higher level and.
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 1: He's just the year, the last month or so for the.
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 6: Season, he's been unbelievable. So I'm not telling you that
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 6: he is as good as May.
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 8: I mean, I don't.
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 6: I don't. I don't look at mock drafts. To your point,
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 6: I'm proud of the fact that I don't really look
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 6: at a lot of mock drafts because I don't care
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 6: and all that. All mock drafts do to me is
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 6: they establish a level of expectation. Then when it doesn't
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 6: work out that way, that's when you start saying, well,
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 6: then they reached you know, and oh no, oh what
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 6: great value, and then you'd never know.
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 8: So I don't.
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 6: I don't like absorb every single mock draft every time
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 6: they come out the way a lot of other people do.
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 6: But I haven't really seen much changing from Caleb Williams
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 6: and Drake May being one and two. But I have
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 6: seen Daniels now not just being like a second round option,
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 6: being like a top ten option. I've seen that.
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 8: Well, I've heard that, and.
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 6: Yeah, Pennix and Nicks have sort of been in that
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 6: first round conversation throughout. I think there's some issues with
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 6: both of those guys in terms of age.
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 1: I think every one of these quarterbacks have I think.
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 6: Caleb Williams is so ridiculously talented, and I think he's
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 6: an impressive guy.
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 1: But he's like I think he's like we cried after
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 1: a game. No, that's not all he sounds like. I mean,
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 1: I just saw today that it sounds like he said
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 1: it'll be like a last minute decision if he's going
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 1: to declare for the draft.
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 6: I mean, he's still I read something in the La
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 6: Times today it seems to think that's not really much
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 6: of a question he's going.
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 2: But yeah, he's going, Jeff and Brooklyn says, I'm so
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 2: glad you started reminiscing about the old days or anything else. Really,
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 2: I can't imagine any Patriots fan caring about what defense
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 2: the Chargers might play, because it really doesn't matter. They
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 2: could put their offense on defense and their defense on offense,
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 2: and I still wouldn't bet on the Patriots when wow, wow,
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 2: remember the days when the Chargers would pull up on
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 2: a one o'clock game, saying that, well, you know, different
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 2: people tune in at different times.
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 1: Radio replay that twelve time oh seven AFC championship. What
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 1: a game?
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 12: Uh?
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 2: Nick writes in I love the team to death and
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 2: I want them to win every game. But man, was
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 2: it a sigh of relief seeing Chad Ryland miss that
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 2: kick because there really is no other way to fix
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 2: this to other than other other than getting a new quarterback. Also,
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 2: I want to know your guys' thoughts on the n
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 2: season tournament in the NBA and the Celtics advancing to
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 2: the brackets.
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 1: Oh, I've got thoughts. I don't care.
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 8: I thought they were courts.
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 1: The courts are pretty crazy. I can't figure out what
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 1: the formula is though, because I've heard people explaining what
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 1: it is. Because I kind of like the idea generally
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 1: in sports. I think it work great in the NHL,
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 1: like let's do an original six tournament over Christmas, you know,
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 1: like that kind of thing. I think it's a good idea.
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 1: But every time I try to pay attention to what's
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 1: going on in basketball, it's like the games are a
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 1: weird different days. It's not like straight to me.
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 2: To me, doing things like that is conceding that our
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 2: season's too long and not interesting.
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 8: Right, And they can't. Yeah, that's exactly right, Fred.
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 6: But and what the problem with baseball, basketball, and hockey
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 6: is they all three recognize that the season's too long,
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 6: but you can't go back on it because that's what
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 6: the money is established on, is those forty one gates. Yeah,
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 6: and the eighty one gates in baseball. You know, you
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 6: need that revenue so that they're stuck. So I actually
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 6: I was. I really hated the idea of the n
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 6: season tournament when it was first proposed to me, And I.
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 2: Don't really went to Paul and proposed it.
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 6: No, you know, like people tell you about it, Like,
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 6: I'm sort of coming around to it for the reason
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 6: Fred just said, like, why would you be watching the
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 6: Celtics win a thirty point game over Chicago last night
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 6: other than the intrigue of are they going to win
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 6: this game by enough points to advance them this stupid tournament. Now,
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 6: you can make an argument this should be a better way.
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 6: But I do think that it's engaged the players a
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 6: little bit and they've played a little bit harder than
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 6: they would.
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 8: I don't hate it. I don't love it.
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 6: I don't love the idea, but I don't I was
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 6: way out initially a lot of seeing how it's unfolded.
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 8: I mean, the idea of them playing like Milwaukee.
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 6: Or the Lakers or Phoenix or you know someone you
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 6: know good with something quote unquote on the line.
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 1: Well, I.
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 2: Was talking to somebody today who we're talking about the NBA,
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 2: And I don't want to get down too much of
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 2: a rabbit hole, but the NBA is in trouble. They're
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 2: staring at these regional sports networks failing and teams losing
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 2: the revenue from those deals, and they're in a little
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 2: bit of a crisis right now to figure out what
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 2: they're going to do. And when you know, when I
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 2: when I talk, I'm talking about like sports. Yeah maybe
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 2: you know, I don't know the Boston market, but a
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 2: lot of these markets. Uh, these rs n s are failing,
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 2: they're going they're going under, and the teams are like,
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 2: what do we do? You know, one of the teams
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 2: started their own OTT thing. It's going to be like
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 2: a paid service. I mean, that's that's risky.
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 8: They they plus, yeah, plusing it up?
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 1: What is over the top? Like you know, okay, yeah, don't.
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 1: I just there's something intriguing to me about the idea.
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 1: I mean it's always in college you have tournaments and
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 1: in all kinds and usually around that that holiday break time. Yeah,
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 1: you know, but I don't know, like you know, get
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 1: the Florida hockey teams to play off like the California team.
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 1: You know, you could have little tournaments everywhere, and I
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 1: guess it's.
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 6: Kind of hard to do because of the schedule, like
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 6: you have to have you know, you have to like
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 6: they have to have their schedule, so you have to
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 6: play your your eighty two.
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 1: Games, a playoff game, and a turn you don't know, you.
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 8: Don't exactly what you're playing.
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 6: But I mean, I give them credit for trying to
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 6: make the regular season more interesting and incentivizing the players
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 6: to play harder. Now I win this tournament five hundred
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 6: thousand dollars.
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 1: Each every player. Yeah, I thought it. I thought it
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 1: was a million.
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 6: Maybe I think it's five hundred k per player.
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 20: And now that doesn't sound like much for like like
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 20: a Tatum or a Browns a night out these guys,
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 20: but like the other guys, I heard, like Mike Gorman
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 20: talking about it this morning on my station, Freddy, you
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 20: know the guys at the end of the bench.
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 6: That's that's significant.
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, let's go to Eldred in North Carolina. What's up, Eldred?
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 14: Hey, the world's greatest podcast. Everybody doing?
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 1: Oh? Thank you? Appreciate that. Thank you.
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 14: Yeah, I like it too. Original what I'm talking about, Sir,
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 14: I missed them days we used to argue, but yes
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 14: they man, you brought a George in my heart. Okay
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 14: because I listened to Yeah, I listened to the podcast. Well,
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 14: you're claiming for the outside guy like I've been doing
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 14: for fifty even with Brady, and you're telling me, no,
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 14: we need to fight about it.
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 6: That was That was different when it was Brady, you
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 6: didn't need the outside guy.
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 14: You still need the outside guy. Now.
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 6: You don't have the precision on offense to just throw
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 6: eight yard passages to.
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 8: Mario Douglas all the way down the field.
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 6: It's not gonna work really.
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 14: Five yards really five yards. But but I'm like every audio,
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 14: i'd rather have pinnic uh, Daniel Zeus rise Uh, Caleb
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 14: Williams like he's like he came out and said it
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 14: in the beginning he would he wouldn't play for the Patriots,
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 14: And I think there'd be another Eli Man and somebody
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 14: else trade. You know, if we was the biggest there,
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 14: then I won't leave you out with one with two questions. One,
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 14: if they do run it back with Bill, how much
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 14: faith did you had that he would do the right
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 14: thing if we had the top two to three, two
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 14: to six pick besides trailing app.
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 2: Well, here's the question, Eldred, is it up to him anymore?
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 2: I mean, you're hearing all this stuff now that it's
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 2: a collaborative process, and you know how much really is
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 2: it just Bill's decision on that first round Picktty? I
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 2: don't know the answer. I'll just I don't know that.
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 2: Just help, I'll help Eldred out a little bit. If
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 2: this this regime stays. How much confidence do you have
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 2: that this regime will do the right thing? Matt Grow,
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 2: Elliott will still Belichick not one. I don't have a
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 2: lot of faith.
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 1: I don't have a lot of faith.
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 2: I'm not good about you, okay, but but don't you
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 2: think that the crafts are going to make sure that well, well,
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 2: here's the thing. If Elliott Wolf and Matt Grow are
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 2: in lockstep with Bill Belichick, then maybe I don't have a.
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 1: Lot of confidence.
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 2: But I'm I'm assuming that their reputations are on the
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 2: line too.
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 6: I don't like that what I've seen if this has
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 6: been at all a collaborative, if it has all been
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 6: a collaborative the last two years. I do not like
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 6: what I've seen. I know they don't have any really
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 6: really really good how much how much maybe Christian.
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 2: Could said how much of Bill's thumb is on these picks,
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 2: saying to Matt Grow, this is the type of player.
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 2: I want make sure it fits into these parameters.
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 1: I just wonder if it's don't know how hard it
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 1: is to screw up the third overall pick though, too.
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 1: I think it's easier to not screw that pick up,
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 1: like I mean, and we can talk about how they
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 1: could screw it up. But like with Gonzalez, I agree
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 1: that was one.
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 6: That you know, what kind of thing really frightens me?
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 6: And you'll you'll probably laugh because these are stupid things
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 6: that stick in my hand. Robert anything. But No, like
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 6: two years ago in the draft, when we're talking to
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 6: Matt Grow and people are wondering about Taekwon Thornton's you've
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 6: been grinding away at that film. Well, you know, evidently
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 6: that didn't help you. I'm sure you grinded away it
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 6: a lot more film than Evan did, but it didn't
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 6: help you pick a guy who was any better. I
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 6: didn't like the snarkiness of it, which is ironic coming
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 6: from me. I agree, Yeah, I haven't been impressed. Let's
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 6: just put it that way. We don't have to go
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 6: to the chapter verse. I haven't been overly impressed with that.
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 6: I still think it's Bill, but he's got help from
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 6: Wolf and Grow, and I haven't been impressed with Bill.
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 2: If you want fast guys, you got a draft fast.
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 2: If you want to got a draft, you.
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 8: Got to ask you so right, that's what they said.
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 6: That's what they I.
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 1: Find myself disagreeing with that, Like, if you want to
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 1: be rich, you got to make It's not that simple.
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 1: It's you got to draft guys who are smart and
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 1: know how to play and play fast, you know. And
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 1: so it's like I don't like, you don't want to
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 1: get into like a semantics are given with them, but
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 1: it's like with Thornton, that's what they did, Like they
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 1: just what are you run for? Two? Great?
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 2: That's what al Davis used to do. Who's the fastest
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 2: guy in the draft.
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 1: They take the first run? Can he catch now? Not really?
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 1: Does you know where to not really? But he can
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 1: get there fast? Art great?
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 14: Tell yeah yeah, yeah, but Watson was there too.
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 2: We could have got him, but no Christian Watson.
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 1: Christian Watson. I like Tom, he was one of my guys.
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 1: I liked him more.
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 8: And Watson carry is very much out on him now strange.
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 14: And then you get strange. Like I said before, it
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 14: was the f draft in the beginning, I still said it.
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 6: That was a bad draft there, Yeah, bad draft. Yeah,
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 6: bad draft.
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 8: But Marcus Jones like the only one.
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, really yeah, only one. Yeah, he's hurt and he's hurt.
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 14: I just wish uh they start and if they get
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 14: a first of Bill or a suck it, take it, yeah,
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 14: and have somebody else in place. And no, I don't
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 14: want nobody from Bill's three because they try to run
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 14: and Bill and.
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 6: They don't work all right out, thank you Florio throwing
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 6: out Rabel for the Patriots.
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 8: I think Florio was on with Rich Eisen, I want
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 8: to say yesterday.
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah.
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 6: And here Eisen posed a question to him about the
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 6: possibility of Rabel being on the hot seat in Tennessee
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 6: and going to Ohio State, and Florio answered the question
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 6: by turning it and saying, I think it wouldn't have
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 6: anything to do with Tennessee having Vrabel on the hot seat,
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 6: but maybe Rabel being done with the Titans, and then
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 6: he had mentioned something that he had heard in the
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 6: summer in passing that wouldn't be stunning if the Patriots
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 6: made a play for Rabel.
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 1: I I love Mike Rabel. I just wonder why there
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 1: isn't more of a groaning about that potential move because
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 1: it feels like that's everything people don't want as a
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 1: defensive coach who, let's face it, like the team he's
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 1: built in Tennessee is not the team that you want
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 1: to see built here, Like you don't want to see
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 1: him come here and be like, we got to find
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 1: a six foot three, two hundred and fift pound running back.
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 1: That's my first thing.
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 8: I feel like Mike Vrabel and you know me too,
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 8: Mike Frabel.
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 2: If they get Mike Vrabel, then if I'm I'm at it.
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 6: But I feel like Mike Vrabel is living off of
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 6: one playoff upset in Baltimore the year that Lamar Jackson
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 6: won the MVP. It's a team that is antiquated, just
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 6: like all the things that we complain about with the Patriots.
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 6: They have no passing game. They had a weapon, they
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 6: traded it like an AJ Brown, Derrick Henry's nearing the end.
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 6: You can't, in my opinion, you can't win big that way.
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 6: I think he maximized it. I think he can coach.
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 6: I think Mike much like I'll tell you, I think
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 6: Bill Belichick's a great coach. I just think that style
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 6: doesn't work. Like so, you can have the best x's
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 6: and o's if you're not really trying to do what
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 6: I think you know you should do. I'm going to
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 6: say I disagree with it now. I don't understand why
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 6: Vrabel gets as much love as he does based on
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 6: what's happened.
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 1: And that's coming from us. We both love the guy,
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 1: mean so.
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 6: And I do. I love him, and he was the
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 6: number one seed halfway. I think he ended up being
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 6: the number one seed in twenty one Max Max rookie year.
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 6: Somehow that team was banged up and they got the
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 6: number one and then they got punched right out.
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 8: Of the playoffs.
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 6: And then last year they were something like I don't
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 6: know were they. I think they were like seven and three,
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 6: seven and two, and they ended up losing out something
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 6: like that and ended up losing the division of Jacksonville.
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 6: And this year they've been bad. Tannehill was you know,
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 6: he gave them a little bit of a jump that
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 6: first year when they beat the Patriots.
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 2: Is here, I know Robinson got canned.
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 8: Yeah, but because of the A. J. Brown trade?
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 1: Is who's the GM now?
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 2: Oh okay, so I don't know, like how much of
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 2: the blame pie goes to him?
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 6: And yeah, no, Now I think BELLI I mean Belichick,
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 6: Rabel won the power struggle, but ran Carthon. I think
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 6: that's how you pronounce is it car or Carthon? I
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 6: think he won. I mean he's the GM now, and
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 6: I think Rabel might have final say.
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 1: But I've also seen reports out of Tennessee that that
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 1: they like Mike Rabel, that they want him long term.
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 1: I mean know you said that he might want out,
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 1: but I think that's.
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 8: Just Me's what Florio said.
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 1: Florio said, that's just to me, like I can talk
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 1: myself into Jiraw Mayo a little bit more because there's
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 1: like kind of like Will Greer, there's an element of
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 1: unknown and it's like, well, Rabel has coached a team,
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 1: we know what he kind of wants to build with Mayo.
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 1: Maybe there's that hope of but he's going to realize
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 1: you've got to bring the offense into the twenty first century.
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 6: And yeah, and I guess you know, like what Floria
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 6: was pointing to is his Oh and that's a famous
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 6: shot of him when they traded aj Brown and how
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 6: upset he looked. Yeah, oh yeah, you know, and then
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 6: he ended up winning that. But then even this this
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 6: past year with the trade deadline, there was a lot
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 6: of talk about trading Derrick Henry or Hopkins, and he
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 6: was like, no, we don't want any part of that,
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 6: and then they traded Bayered. So that's why I think
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 6: Florio sort of supposing that he's done with They're.
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 2: On the same page Marvin and Cernersville, North Carolina. Old
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 2: friend says, ESPN is reporting Rogers is cleared to practice.
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 2: There goes our.
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 6: Lunch when we're talking about that. Yeah, now we did,
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 6: uh yeah we did. We did see that.
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 8: Very interesting. I think it's crazy, but very interesting.
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 1: I'm excited for it. I just think, like, honestly, I think.
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 6: It'd be great if he was healthy and played that
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 6: last game. At least you give you something.
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 1: I know, you know, Bill's gonna want to beat those Jets,
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 1: no matter what's gonna happen. When yeah, on Saturday one
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 1: o'clock Sunday.
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 8: Can't get that like Saturday.
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean in Texas, says Belichick cannot afford to
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 2: sit tight at the end of the season because of
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 2: internal candidates like Mayo and Bill O'Brien. The Crafts can
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 2: screw Belichick and fire him in March after all the
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 2: coaching slots have been filled. Other owners would be reluctant
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 2: to fire their current coach and bringing Bill on the
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 2: eve of free agency, leaving him nowhere to go in
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 2: twenty twenty four.
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 8: Yeah, but then they'd have to pay him well.
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 2: And they not only that, but they who's making the
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 2: decisions up until March. I mean, there's a lot of
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 2: stuff we need to do.
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 1: Combine anyway, somebody's back and then.
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 5: Has returned, and then has returned, has returned.
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 1: All right, Evan, what what's going on? We would get
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 1: Paul back in here before I think gives this report.
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 7: I'm just gonna say that the grousing today was was
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 7: pretty high.
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 6: But I'll get to that in a second.
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 7: So out at Patriots practice, there was there was a
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 7: lot going on out there today out at Patriots practice,
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 7: two players missing, uh Pop Douglas not at practice, I
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 7: would assume concussion protocol for for Pop and time Montgomery.
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 7: He's not spotted. It's a weird one, but that's an
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 7: unknown absence. But as much Pop is a big one,
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 7: you know, if you're still in the interest of winning
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 7: football games, Pop is a big one.
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 6: The bigger one. Though.
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 7: We saw about three minutes of positional drills and saw
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 7: Bailey Zappy take every single rep at quarterback.
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 2: Okay, so they want you to see.
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 7: Didn't see Mac Jones throw a single pass and he
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 7: was just standing there the whole time watching Bailey Zappy.
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 7: Not only did Mac Jones not take a single rep,
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 7: Will Greer took a couple and Mac was just standing.
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 1: There, just standing there, don't move squat. Well, I mean,
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 1: it's what has to happen. I feel like, I mean, like,
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 1: what took so long to get to this point of
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 1: he just needs to take a break.
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 2: And I think, I think, again, I don't know anything,
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 2: but I think this is Bill saying here's what I'm doing.
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 2: I'm not gonna come to the podium and tell you,
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 2: you know, because I'm just not going.
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 1: To get into that.
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 2: But if you want the answer, there he does not
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 2: there's your answer. Bailey, Zappy's going to be yours.
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 7: I should correct myself. Got my backup quarterbacks confused. It
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 7: was Malie Cunningham that took a couple of snaps difference,
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 7: it's not well greer, my apologies. Yeah, so Malik Cuttingham
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 7: was the one that I think maybe he threw one
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 7: or two passes to just to give Zappi a breather,
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 7: But it was it was a Zappi hour like that.
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 6: It was dominated.
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 2: But that's my guess is that's what's going to happen,
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 2: and rather than announce it, he's showing you what's gonna happen.
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 1: The only thing that makes sense to me is to
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 1: give Zappy all the reps this week and let him
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 1: let the star and prepare and if he falls on
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 1: his face, what do you get this.
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 2: There was a little throwaway line that Zappi had after
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 2: the game, and I think it was something to the
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 2: effect of, you know, in games that I've started, you know,
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 2: and mentioning that he won games that he started, you know,
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 2: and that was kind of like, don't don't blame me
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 2: when I get put in and the last drives two halftime.
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, did you hear what Evan said?
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 8: But he's two and oh in games that you started,
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 8: they've lost every other game he's appeared in.
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, yes, that's true.
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 6: Yeah, so what did I miss? Barely Z happy he's
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 6: the starter.
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 1: Mac was just standing there watching.
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 7: I'm not going to say he's the starter, but I'm
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 7: gonna I can't say that.
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 2: But my guess is Bill showing us what he's going
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 2: to do rather than having to go to the podium
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 2: and say it because it would be very Mac is
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 2: not going to touch the feet because they could very
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 2: easily have said, Okay, warm ups and done, you know,
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 2: stretching's done, you're out of here.
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 1: But they wanted the media to see this. Oh.
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 6: Absolutely.
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 1: He did give Doug a little bit more of a
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 1: response on Elie Cunningham than I was expecting, Like he
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 1: kind of went into a little bit of depth withly Cunningham,
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 1: just that he's been doing both. He's a unique player.
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 14: You know.
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 1: It wasn't just he's a receiver and you know that
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 1: kind of thing that usually does.
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 6: See I thought it was kind of he's a receiver
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 6: unless we play a team that has that kind of
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 6: quarterback and then we make him do scout team to that.
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, I mean like otherwise, I think he's been
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 8: a receiver.
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 7: I just looking at the three minutes, like I gotta
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 7: keep on prefacing that it was three minutes that we
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 7: saw of practice today, Bailey Zappy, Malik Cunningham taking all
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 7: of the reps, Mac Jones just standing there watching. I
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 7: think that there's even a chance that Mac is just
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 7: inactive for the game on Sunday.
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 2: Which I agree.
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 6: I think it makes sense.
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 7: If you're not going to start him, then it probably
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 7: doesn't make a whole lot of sense to even have
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 7: him active and hanging, you know, looking over Bailey's appy
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 7: shoulder at every turn. So I think that there's a
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 7: chance that maybe he's the emergency quarterback if anything. But
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 7: I think there's a chance that mac Jones is just
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 7: flat out and active.
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 2: I I that sounds reasonable to me. So that's great,
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 2: that's well, not great, but that's interesting stuff.
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 1: Thank you for that.
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 7: Pads today, Pads today, pads on Wednesdays, we did see
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 7: pads and it was it was freezing and it was
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 7: real col and.
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 2: With with young Bailey under center today, Yes, what was
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 2: the mood of his teammates?
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 7: Exactly the same thing. Okay, there was no mood swing,
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 7: which when he came into the game last week, say
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 7: what you want about the sixty yard touchdown drive that
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 7: he led, because it was screen passes and runs, right,
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 7: It wasn't like he really did anything fancy in particular,
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 7: but there was a momentary jolt, right, I mean they
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 7: went down the field when he got in the game.
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 7: It was very short lived, but you wonder if maybe
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 7: there is a little bit of a of a jolt.
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 7: Not that we would see that today necessarily, but on Sunday.
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 6: Yeah, all I can say about and I agree that
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 6: first drive they went down and scored. They didn't score
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 6: any drives on the first half. Do you know they
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 6: had more yards in the first half than the second half. Like,
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 6: I have to look at that, And I was like, huh,
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 6: it's just amazing how your mine can play tricks on
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 6: you just because of you know one like, because I
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 6: agree with Evan, I thought, yeah, if the production wasn't
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 6: really any different, but it looked bad.
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 1: But really, like the best thing for me was just
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 1: that he kind of shook out of a sack and
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 1: kind of got away. Oh.
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 6: I think that was the best thing that he did,
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 6: was he far exceeded what Mac does under pressure, moving
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 6: around avoiding sacks, even a little shovel that he had
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 6: to Stevenson that was just short of the first down.
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 7: I mean, yeah, a little off script, he keeps his
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 7: eyes up heah, he did. Uh, it was almost it
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 7: was kind of an if he passed, but he threw
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 7: one to Juju in the right flat where they blitzed
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 7: and they had to abort the play action and Remandre
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 7: picked up the blitzer and he kind of just danced
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 7: around the blitzer a little bit and then got his
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 7: eyes back up field, and it was an if he passed.
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 6: I mean, I didn't love the pass, but he had
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 6: another if he passed on the the last drive before
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 6: the field goal attempt where the guy basically dropped it.
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 2: So now what about the grousing.
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 6: Yeah, well it was it was really cold.
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 7: Yeah, it was really cold out and uh, there's a
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 7: lot of grousing about Army Navy, and I know careful.
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 6: People were commerce.
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 7: You guys are calling me a communist because I'm on the.
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 8: Why why why is the grossing about Army?
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 7: Well, because the press conferences were today and some people
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 7: like Alex Bart, you know, the college football people here
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 7: were up at the at the press conferences with this guy.
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 7: He was there, Deuce was there, and uh, you know,
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 7: there was a lot of conversation about are you going,
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 7: are you excited?
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 6: Is that the other thing?
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 7: And you know, I have I have getten, I have
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 7: no It sounds like you a grouser. I have no
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 7: time for the wing tea. Yeah, now, I you do
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 7: do six to three on your own.
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 1: There was there was some shocker.
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 8: I was thinking about it.
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 6: I do think it would be kind of cool just
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 6: to experience the pageantry in some way.
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 1: But there's so much going on, Like there's much with
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 1: this game.
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 2: Like, honestly, I have a lot I have to do
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 2: on Saturday. You know, I don't have a lot of
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 2: Saturdays off. Yeah, so I need to get things done.
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 1: Something probably stuff like that, you know, you know, around
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 1: the house.
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 14: Yeah.
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 7: Some I have the utmost respect for the military, and
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 7: I mean that sincerely.
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 1: This game heavily invested in the Navy program.
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 7: This game every single year puts football back like fifty years,
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 7: like in terms of like what they actually do in
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 7: the football game.
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 2: It's not good football.
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 7: And I just I can't the fact that we make
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 7: such a pageantry about about a football game that literally
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 7: is like it was played in nineteen fifty. I just can't.
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 7: I'm sorry.
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you for yourself. It was funny. I was
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 1: listening to the Army coach a little bit and he
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 1: was just talking about, you know, like we played I
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 1: think they played LSU this year, and I mean they
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 1: got like sixty one up, but he's like, you know,
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 1: we'll just before the ball is even snapped, were already overmatched.
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 1: Like these are a lot of the games that you
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 1: know they have to play. But Army has a chance.
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 1: Actually they upset Air Force and if they win this
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 1: game they eat, maybe they win the Commander in Chief.
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 6: I do wonder because all three of them run the wishbone,
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 6: you know, and the triple option. I know that you
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 6: don't necessarily need high level athletes, I know the obvious,
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 6: but like, why don't necessarily have to have the best
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 6: top I mean, obviously you can't compete with LSU, but
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 6: you're not competing with LSU running your triple option either, So.
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 1: Why do they do? Why do you have to do?
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 6: Why do they all have to run the triple I
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 6: honestly don't know. I mean, there's like every high school
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 6: almost in the world now runs the spread, right.
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 7: That's what I was just about to say, was that
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 7: you can make the excuse of the athletes, but like
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 7: the high school teams in this country are now running
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 7: air raid spread offenses with with sixteen year olds, Like
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 7: so I understand that. I don't get it. I don't
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 7: get it.
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 8: It is strange to me that they all run the
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 8: same offense.
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 1: It just feels kind of a military offense though.
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 8: Just well, that's it's disciplined.
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 1: We're just going to be grind what we do and
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 1: we're gonna rights right flank.
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 7: There was a lot of there's a lot of grit
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 7: and toughness and like all this kind is.
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 6: And I will say, I do not watch the games,
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 6: you know, for sixty minutes, but I will click it
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 6: on and I will keep tabs of the score, and
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 6: if it's close in the last five minutes, I will
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 6: watch and be riveted because of just how much it
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 6: means to both sides.
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 2: And afterwards they sing both of them.
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't know why you have to make fun
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 6: of things, like there's no tradition anymore.
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 1: We can't well, we can't look back. And I think
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 1: that everybody just like every I think like three hours
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 1: before the game, everybody comes in at once? Is that?
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 1: Which is what everyone says.
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 6: That's what I said, Like the pageant, it's not the game,
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 6: it's so much, you know, it's just it's I thought
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 6: about it. But yeah, ultimately it was a little too expensive.
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 7: Yeah, one question about going for the table. About the
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 7: quarterback situation.
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 6: Yeah, oh okay, back on the rails.
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 7: Yeah, because I got we're done with that.
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 8: I can't.
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 7: I can't even does Mac Jones start another game for
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 7: the Patriots and his career?
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 1: I think about that, I'm gonna say yea, let me
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 1: say yes.
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 6: I'm going to say yes to but not because.
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 1: I think it's just gonna be middling with Zappi and
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 1: you know they'll be let's give back another chance against It's.
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 2: A good question, one that you wouldn't even entertain a
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 2: year ago.
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 1: But I'm going to say no, this.
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 6: Is its September.
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 10: Look at that.
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 6: Job, thank you. As recently a September, I would have
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 6: said they'll definitely pick up his fifty year option because
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 6: it's cheap. But now it's not that cheap.
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 1: But they look at they're still might.
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 2: But for this he could be a backup next year.
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 1: I mean, but is it backup quarterback cheap?
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 6: No? Oh no, No, what he would make next year
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 6: would be back up quarterback. The fifty year option wouldn't
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 6: be backup quarterback cheap.
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 10: No.
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 1: Can you franchise franchise that guy? If a fourth year pick,
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 1: the first round pick, you don't pick up his option,
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 1: but then yeah, the end of the fourth year you
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 1: franchise him instead.
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 6: You sure, I'm pretty sure. Yeah you can't, I think
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 6: because they could have done that with Daniel Jones and
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 6: they did it with Arkley instead.
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 7: No, the fifth year option, I have to look up
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 7: the number again. It's somewhere, but the franchise I want
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 7: to say, it's like twelve to fifteen million for the
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 7: fifth year option, but it's all based off of position
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 7: and where in the draft you went in the first round,
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 7: and I believe it's somewhere in like the twelve to
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 7: fifteen nine.
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 1: I mean, it wouldn't be ideal, but it would be
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 1: like if in that fourth year you didn't pick it
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 1: up and he just all of a sudden it all clicked,
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 1: and then you know, and then you want it's probably
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 1: still a way too.
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 8: Franchise it's a lot more expensive than the fifth year round.
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, you miss out on it, you know,
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 1: but not that.
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 6: But I just look at it as like, chances of
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 6: someone getting hurt between now and the end of the
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 6: year are probably pretty good. He might have to play.
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 1: I gotta say, though, I don't. I don't feel like
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 1: I can really make a case that he deserves to
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 1: start again, at least at this point. I mean, I
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 1: think he's been given plenty of chances, and I think
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 1: they've given him a long beach.
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 6: And I you don't know how the draft process is
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 6: gonna unfold either. What if they can't get a what
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 6: if they don't get a quarterback in the first round?
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 7: Also the fifth option point because he made the Pro.
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 6: Bowl, you should that counts because I've been told that
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 6: that does not.
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 7: Oh no, no, this is it's a playing time incentive. Sorry,
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 7: because he started so many games. It's actually twenty three million.
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 6: Okay, it escalates because of that.
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 1: That's a little different. It's a little rich for my blood.
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 8: Yeah, but to me, it's no different than fifteen.
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 2: Well it was twelve to fifteen was Yeah.
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 6: And I think this is a zero percent chance they
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 6: were picking it up at twelve million.
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 7: Twenty three million is not happening.
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 6: No, and I don't I don't think and I would
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 6: have said for sure in September.
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 1: That not in this economy.
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 6: I don't think he's starting the Patriots.
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 2: All right, Let's get to the phones. Wills and Florida.
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 1: What's up Will?
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 2: Oh Wow? Party's on after the game? Matthews and Virginia Beach.
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 2: What's up, Matthew?
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 21: How you doing today?
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 14: Guys?
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 1: Good?
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 21: Hey, Hey, it's going to start off by saying, go
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 21: Navy beat Army.
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 1: Okay, this one, I'm off for that.
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 21: Yeah, I'm rooting for Army, active duty Navy. They pay
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 21: me to say that.
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 6: That's all right, Okay, thank you for your.
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 21: Us YEP, appreciate it, Thanks for the sport. Just getting
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 21: back to a previous call with Eldred. Yeah, I gotta say,
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 21: and I don't think I'm telling any tales out of
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 21: school here, but I'd rather standpaper, a bobcast ass, and
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 21: a phone booth than to trust Bill Belichick in this
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 21: regime with a draft pick, I mean, And which brings
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 21: me to another point, like I noticed, you know, we
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 21: talk about, and we've been talking about for a while
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 21: the the lack of talent on this team, and everybody
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 21: has all of their fingers and toes pointed at Bill
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 21: Belichick for assembling this roster. But I noticed, like we
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 21: don't talk about who's actually scouting these players, like who
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 21: is are we? And maybe I don't really I don't
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 21: fully grasp how the how the scouting process.
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 6: You're right, you're.
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 21: Pro scouting or college scouting or is it is? Is
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 21: this like you know, are they are they coming back
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 21: to Bill in the front office and his coach except
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 21: saying like you know all this you know, for instance,
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 21: maybe Cole Strange all this guy is just all world.
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 21: You got to get him in the first round.
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 8: It's a great question, you.
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 21: Know, telling them you are they just giving you know,
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 21: just basic and from I shouldn't say basic, but you know,
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 21: this is what this guy is good at. This is
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 21: these are his strengths things like that? Or are they
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 21: scouting like through a Patriots land like how they would fit?
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 21: I guess I just need more clarify.
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 8: It all depends on who you believe.
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 1: That's troubling. Yeah, I mean I I just always think
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 1: of it as there's low level scouts and they do
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 1: the hard work. And you know, if things just work
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 1: their way up the chain and each person gets a
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 1: look and then it finally gets to Bill Belichick and
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 1: they say, this is what our board, this is what
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 1: and he goes through and he then and I.
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 2: Believe he also watches film.
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 8: Oh sure, but it all depends on who you believe.
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 6: There's been a lot of stories over the past ten
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 6: plus years that have indicated that he goes rogue a lot,
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 6: and he gets all of his reports from the scouts,
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 6: he says thank you, and then he goes on his own.
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 2: Well, there's no doubt that he did that with Rutgers
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 2: because I think it was a thank you to the
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 2: program one, you know, for taking care of Steve there,
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 2: you know, letting him walk on and be a long
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 2: snapper and all that. And he likes Chiano. And I
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 2: think a lot of those picks, not saying there were
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 2: bad picks. All those guys had good careers, you know,
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 2: but but I think he made it a point to
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 2: take Rutgers guys.
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 1: You know. It was a good streak.
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, you Madruckers.
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 2: Mccordy was great, Logan Ryan was in the league for
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 2: a long time, Deron Harmon was in the league for
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 2: a long time. I'm not saying they were great players,
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 2: but they had decent NFL careers.
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, like those guys are are are like
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 7: they deserve to be in an NFL secondary.
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 2: The average NFL careers three and a half years, and
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 2: they far exceeded none of them.
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 1: We got Harmon and McCarty.
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 7: Was Logan Logan, Ryan Logan, Ryan was He went on
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 7: to be a pretty good player after here as well.
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So I mean they were all decent player.
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but I think that there were other people that
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 2: could have been picked. But I think Bill made it
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 2: a point to thank SIANOA Steve O.
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 1: Harness.
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 6: I mean, in fairness there, I'm not going to use
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 6: that like that was wasn't even like a six or
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 6: seventh round pick. Yeah, there was a couple of those.
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 6: I think my problem with the Rutgers guys other than
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 6: mccordy as I felt like they were overdrafted, not that
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 6: they weren't NFL players, to use Evans phrase, they were.
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 6: You know, I think Harmon's still.
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 1: Playing, Yeah, he was a practice squad recently.
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 7: Any think I think the biggest you know, Nikhil Harry
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 7: is the biggest one, but there just are so many
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 7: times that they take guys and you're like, that could
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 7: not have been their board, right, Like, like I know
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 7: how much work you know, Macro and Cameron Williams and
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 7: all those guys put into the draft, and there's no
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 7: way that they know those guys went into the twenty
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 7: twenty two draft and Cole Strange was at the top
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 7: of board.
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 2: There's no doubt that Bill often shoes talent in order
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 2: to strengthen connections, say thank you to a guy up
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 2: a program that he likes or because of the coach
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 2: or whatever. You know, there's no doubt that he's he's
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 2: done that thing over just taking the best guy.
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 1: The draft results back you up, Fred.
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, And I think that's one of his flaws,
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 2: is like it's it all comes in the heading of loyalty,
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 2: and you know, like loyalty we was friends his circle
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 2: of friends, and that's kind of like a you would
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 2: think that's an admirable trade, but sometimes it can get
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 2: in the way of just business decisions.
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 1: You know. What was the hairy one though, I think
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 1: that is that just I mean, I know, the Lombardy thing.
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 6: There was a couple of different what's his name scenario.
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 6: Todd Graham.
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 7: Yeah, so no, no, no, but he he liked who
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 7: was the guy? It might it might have been Todd
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 7: Graham the really said to kill Harry. Also, I remember
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 7: hearing that his visit here, his top thirty visit, thanks Math,
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 7: he knocked it out of the park compared to Debo
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 7: A J. Brown, obviously it was I forget, I always
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 7: forget which one it was. Deebo is the one that
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 7: instagram lived himself here like that. You know, that's a
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 7: quick way to not be an.
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 6: Or something like that. That's not happening. But again, that
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 6: would infuriate me if I was like, oh, yeah, it
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 6: does that would infuriate me that that really And I'm
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 6: not I'm not gonna blame him for something I don't
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 6: know that he did. But if that's why, that would
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 6: be infuriating.
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 1: To me, what Brown do because he was the same thing, right, yeah,
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 1: A J.
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 6: Brown.
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 7: I just think that to Kill Harry had a really
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 7: really good visit.
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 6: Harry could play on four downs.
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 7: I also, you know, remember back now, just thinking about this,
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 7: Gronk was on the top one hundred all time thing
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 7: with Belichick and told the story about how he fell
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 7: asleep during his Top thirty visit and was like, not there,
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 7: I heard that, and they still drafted him and look
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 7: at what happened.
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 7: So if that was really the true story with Nikill Harry,
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 7: is that it came down to he was really good
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 7: on the whiteboard compared to everybody else.
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 6: Then, Like that's.
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 8: Everybody said that about Chad Jackson too, Yeah, Freddy yep.
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 1: Man, he's got a blind spot with those guys, I think.
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean picking guys for little anecdotal things like that.
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 1: You know, just watch the film. How does he compare?
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 6: And that gets back to what we were talking about,
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 6: Like that's why I'm not necessarily offended about this Jaden
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 6: Daniels thing of him sort of rising because it's he's
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 6: rising because of his play play.
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 1: And I mean to be clear, like I wasn't you know, No, no, no,
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 1: you're not offended, but you know, like I just it's
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 1: like you spent like these guys just become flavor of
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 1: the month, and all of a sudden, it's like this guy, like, well,
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 1: where was where was the other guy? Three months ago?
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 1: We don't even heard of him.
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 6: The other part of that is here because we're in
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 6: this bubble and and all the people that we have
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 6: on our timelines and stuff. We're now, you know, suddenly
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 6: everybody's big college football fan at right. You know, we're
• 1:53:53
  Speaker 6: getting stories and I love Chris Price. Okay, Chris Price
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 6: the last couple of weeks has been writing a story
• 1:53:58
  Speaker 6: telling all the fans which games they should be watching,
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 6: because like, like you to watch college football, you don't like,
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 6: all of a sudden, they have a top five pick
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 6: on the horizon. So we got to pay attention a
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 6: little bit closer to LSU this week. And that's what's happening,
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 6: is like, and I was two hundred yards in one game.
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 6: We got to get this.
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 1: He's number three.
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 7: Now, well, well I'd pushed back a little bit on
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 7: you deuce because Jaden Daniels was on the NFL radar
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 7: last year. Oh yeah, yeah, no, I like, you know,
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 7: he was a guy that he was at LSU's pro
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 7: day last year. There's the picture with him with Belichick
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 7: watching the LSU guy's workout, And he was at the
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 7: pro day last year to do exactly what he was
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 7: doing Rob elbow is with the guys in the NFL
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 7: because he was going to be an NFL quarterback. Now
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 7: he's taken that leap this year into you know, Heisman
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 7: Trophy territory.
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 6: And didn't he play for herm too? He might have
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 6: had probably before her.
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 2: That would be that would be the play. Belichick stays
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 2: he's got the second pick and he picks Jade and
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 2: Daniels over May I wilt.
• 1:54:59
  Speaker 6: I wouldn't.
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 7: I will say I from what I've seen of Jaden
• 1:55:03
  Speaker 7: Daniels this year, I am very intrigued.
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 6: Well, he's got I know they've probably I like to
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 6: see what happens at the combine when his official numbers,
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 6: but he's listed at six four.
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 8: Maybe he's not six four. I like the size there too.
• 1:55:17
  Speaker 6: I know that he looks small to me, but then
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 6: the kiss.
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 8: Florida State small Jordan Travis.
• 1:55:23
  Speaker 6: No, Well, Daniels was just one that I couldn't thinner.
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 1: He just he's hard to tell just in a picture,
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 1: hard to tell how big he is really because he's
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 1: kind of not.
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 7: He's definitely has a little a thinner.
• 1:55:35
  Speaker 1: Frame plus purple thins. But he didn't work for Holy Cross.
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 7: He's got a lot of the same traits i'd say
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 7: as a thrower as C. J. Stroud, but he runs
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  Speaker 7: better than Stroud does.
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  Speaker 6: But is that one of those quick twitch colors though?
• 1:55:48
  Speaker 1: Purple?
• 1:55:48
  Speaker 2: Oh no, it's darker. David's in New York. What's up, David?
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  Speaker 1: Not no more David?
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  Speaker 2: All right, Okay, we got a few more minutes. Playbook
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 2: is coming. Let's vamp it up.
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  Speaker 1: Playbooks coming up?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah? Yeah, So Bailey z Appy. I think that's the
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 6: call that I think most people felt like what happened?
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 6: I still, in the back of my mind wondered, is
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 6: he just going to keep running it out there with
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 6: Mac Jones? Yeah?
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  Speaker 8: I mean, hopefully we'll see Zappy at least a change
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  Speaker 8: to the mame.
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  Speaker 1: Like we said, Paul.
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  Speaker 2: They didn't have as many yards uh in the second
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  Speaker 2: half of the first half, surprisingly, but the end of
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  Speaker 2: the day, he I don't know if you call him
• 1:56:26
  Speaker 2: led them, but he was not a drive. They got
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 2: them in position to tie the game where the Chip
• 1:56:30
  Speaker 2: shot field goal.
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  Speaker 6: That I'm not giving him credit for that why because
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 6: they didn't move any yards.
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  Speaker 7: He did pick took over basically a field goal. He
• 1:56:39
  Speaker 7: did pay that was the fourth down, right, He did
• 1:56:41
  Speaker 7: pick up a fourth down at Juju. That was a
• 1:56:43
  Speaker 7: bad throw but he caught it.
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  Speaker 6: But it's also part of my thing, like in the
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 6: first half, you don't do that because you're not going
• 1:56:49
  Speaker 6: for the fourth down and your part like that's another
• 1:56:51
  Speaker 6: part of it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I just think that the team took over
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  Speaker 1: a midfield. I don't know how the team could keep
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 1: going out there with Mac, you know, behind Macley. I
• 1:56:59
  Speaker 1: just fred, it's like they have faith enough. And I
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 1: don't feel like when you're walking out there with Mac,
• 1:57:04
  Speaker 1: they don't have faith right.
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 2: Now, always somebody's son, but it's enough.
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 8: That would be somebody I know.
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 1: And that's just like, can I just say, like they're
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 1: thirty two of these jobs. It's hard. It is like
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 1: that you are put on them like tough. It's they're
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 1: thirty two of the jobs. Like I don't feel bad
• 1:57:19
  Speaker 1: for any NFL quarterback, like you have God given amazing talent, strength, size,
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 1: all that thing. Sorry if it doesn't quite work.
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 6: Every once in a while, dark dudes come. But I
• 1:57:28
  Speaker 6: will say, it's like it feels so bad for this
• 1:57:30
  Speaker 6: NFL quarterback. I don't feel bad at the world.
• 1:57:32
  Speaker 1: On a string for the last five years, you know,
• 1:57:34
  Speaker 1: Like I.
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  Speaker 7: Don't feel bad for him, but you like you do
• 1:57:37
  Speaker 7: worry about he is a human being, and you.
• 1:57:39
  Speaker 8: Do like you do.
• 1:57:40
  Speaker 7: You don't worry about his mental health at all. Like
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 7: poor guy, Like the whole thing is falling apart on him.
• 1:57:47
  Speaker 2: And I mean, people are calling you hot garbage.
• 1:57:49
  Speaker 6: And yeah, I don't know that part of it is
• 1:57:52
  Speaker 6: that's what you sign up for. Yeah, But so I
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 6: don't necessarily look at that way, but I do have.
• 1:57:57
  Speaker 6: And there's plenty of guys that I felt bad for,
• 1:57:59
  Speaker 6: at least o bad for Andrew Luck. I felt like,
• 1:58:01
  Speaker 6: you know, put a semblance of an offensive line in
• 1:58:05
  Speaker 6: front of this guy and let him play. He obviously
• 1:58:07
  Speaker 6: can play, and they didn't have the right support around him.
• 1:58:10
  Speaker 6: You know.
• 1:58:10
  Speaker 8: Fred used to say it all the time.
• 1:58:12
  Speaker 1: Oh God, what a waste.
• 1:58:13
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• 1:58:19
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