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Member for Fannie Bay Brent Potter is calling on Darwin Council to enforce by-laws to stop people sleeping outside of businesses · 360 with Katie Woolf

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  Speaker 1: Some local politicians are ramping up their push to put
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  Speaker 1: a stop to people sleeping outside of businesses by urging
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  Speaker 1: the City of Darwin to enforce the by laws around
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  Speaker 1: illegal camping. It's understood that the issue was raised during
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  Speaker 1: the council meeting attended by the Member for Fanny Bay,
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  Speaker 1: Brent Poster, and also the Member for fong Limb Mark Monahan. Now,
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  Speaker 1: the City of Darwin has released a statement saying that
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  Speaker 1: the council has been subjected to significant pressure from some
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  Speaker 1: MLAs to increase the number of fines handed out to
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  Speaker 1: vulnerable people sleeping rough in public spaces.
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  Speaker 2: Now, it is obviously a situation.
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  Speaker 1: As we know that there are a number of different
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  Speaker 1: bylaws that are in place. Now joining me in the
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  Speaker 1: studio right now to talk a little bit more about this,
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  Speaker 1: and we did talk about an on Friday during the
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  Speaker 1: week that was as well. It is Brent Potter, the
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  Speaker 1: Member for Fanny Bay. Good morning to your breakakytie, high listeners.
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  Speaker 1: Good to have you in the studio now, Brent, why
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  Speaker 1: did you attend the council meeting?
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  Speaker 3: This has been going on for about four months so
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  Speaker 3: about November.
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  Speaker 4: I raise issue around untended items actually came from I
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  Speaker 4: think when we had that last month soon some items
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  Speaker 4: fell off off the side of a business and almost
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  Speaker 4: hid someone. And so I asked the question of counsel
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  Speaker 4: and said, if that happens, who's accountable? And they said
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  Speaker 4: business owners And I thought that's a bit of shirking, right, I.
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  Speaker 1: See, like people if they've been rough sleeping, if stuff put.
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  Speaker 4: Their camping items up right, a small community business it
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  Speaker 4: fell off in the storm and almost hit someone, and yeah,
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  Speaker 4: they I asked the questions of who is liable if
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  Speaker 4: that falls off, and they made the business owner, and
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  Speaker 4: I thought, well, so now you're asking business owners to
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  Speaker 4: remove the items for their liability. And as we're going
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  Speaker 4: for about four months and then I had significant representation
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  Speaker 4: from many businesses that have said we've tried to engage
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  Speaker 4: with counsel, We've got corresponds back. They're just they're not
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  Speaker 4: doing anything about it. It's impacting our daily life. We're
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  Speaker 4: cleaning up feces, rubbish, we've seen fighting and domestic family violence.
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  Speaker 3: And then everyone would know that.
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  Speaker 4: The East Point toilets for a period of time, probably
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  Speaker 4: twelve months, people were living inside the toilet, which was
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  Speaker 4: denying people the ability to use it, and I've had
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  Speaker 4: constituentscy they don't feel safe walking down there at night,
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  Speaker 4: and then don't feel safe going in the toilet, and
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  Speaker 4: so I wrote to cancel. On many occasions. Not once
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  Speaker 4: have I asked them to enforce fines.
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  Speaker 2: Actually, you're not asking them to enforce a fine.
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  Speaker 3: Here, Absolutely not. And I said this on Friday Rady
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  Speaker 3: on your show.
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  Speaker 4: It doesn't change behavior, people can't pay it, it doesn't
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  Speaker 4: get us anywhere, and it's nothing more than revenue raising.
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  Speaker 3: What I've said to them is enforced the bile.
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  Speaker 4: And now the way I see that playing out, you
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  Speaker 4: engage with people and they have outreach teams in council,
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  Speaker 4: and I think Andrew was on ABC yesterday he believes
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  Speaker 4: that they've been they ca Yeah, we met yesterday and
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  Speaker 4: it was a really productive meeting. They've actually reduced how
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  Speaker 4: many people they have in their outreach, he believes. I
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  Speaker 4: don't think there's enough public place rangers and at the
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  Speaker 4: end of the day, they should be engaging and offering
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  Speaker 4: a service enough. And when a bet is offered and
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  Speaker 4: then not taken up because they don't want to go there,
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  Speaker 4: well that's when I want them to enforce the bile.
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  Speaker 4: I'm not asking for the moment someone starts camping or
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  Speaker 4: someone that is genuinely homeless and he's not given an
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  Speaker 4: alternative option to be issued at a fine. I don't
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  Speaker 4: want the fine, do want the notice, but I want
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  Speaker 4: them to be off at a bed first. And I'll
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  Speaker 4: give you an Esport example, because that's the one they
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  Speaker 4: keep talking about. That lady had been there for about
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  Speaker 4: twelve months and family had then started to congreen. There's
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  Speaker 4: a significant amount of people there was.
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  Speaker 2: There was a lady that was there who had been there.
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  Speaker 3: For quite some times.
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  Speaker 4: She's been there for twelve months. So before the by election,
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  Speaker 4: I've then obviously engaged. They posted the by election sleeping
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  Speaker 4: rough there, sleeping rough in the toilet's family and the toilets,
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  Speaker 4: stoing their camping items above the toilets in the grass
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  Speaker 4: on the footpath. We've had three domestic vioans incidents happened there.
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  Speaker 4: They've been quite significant. So I went down and engage
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  Speaker 4: in them and ask counsel and they actually said no,
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  Speaker 4: we've offered her a bed previously, and the writing they
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  Speaker 4: put in the email to me was that she's refused
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  Speaker 4: to take it up because they don't want to pay
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  Speaker 4: them because they can't drink.
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  Speaker 3: Now, that was what they've said to me.
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  Speaker 4: I don't think that's all of them, but obviously some
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  Speaker 4: in the group most definitely. At that point, I said, well,
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  Speaker 4: they've took them and off at a bed somewhere safe
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  Speaker 4: to sleep, because not safe to sleep rough down at
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  Speaker 4: East Point where no one's at night time and there's
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  Speaker 4: any social behavior. What are we doing about it? And
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  Speaker 4: they said, well, basically, we're not going to do anything
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  Speaker 4: about it. And so I've pushed now for the last
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  Speaker 4: four months, and I ended up a counsel because I
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  Speaker 4: don't believe the counselors will be giving the full story
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  Speaker 4: of what I was writing into counsel on and I
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  Speaker 4: thought the best way to get in front of the
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  Speaker 4: councilors all at once is an open forum counsel meeting
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  Speaker 4: and represent my constitute.
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  Speaker 1: Well, look, Brent, I know you and I had a
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  Speaker 1: bit of arjibarjie about this on Friday, and obviously my
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  Speaker 1: stance on this is I think it's certainly part of
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  Speaker 1: the issue. I think that you know, when you've got
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  Speaker 1: rough sleepers, that is part of the issue.
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  Speaker 2: But one of the big concerns that I've.
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  Speaker 1: Gotten I know a lot of people that listen to
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  Speaker 1: the show have as well, is that there's public intoxication,
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  Speaker 1: there is public drinking. And we keep getting told by
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  Speaker 1: the Northern Territory government that there is the two kilometer
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  Speaker 1: drinking law, but a lot of people are questioning, well,
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  Speaker 1: why is that not being enforced.
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  Speaker 4: Well, tip out and poor and sees is absolutely be enforced.
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  Speaker 4: And we had some people drinking yesterday down the electorate
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  Speaker 4: and the cops arrived within ten minutes and they tipped
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  Speaker 4: out there actually rested someone as well for other reasons.
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  Speaker 4: But you know, we've seen the Northern Suburbs very recently
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  Speaker 4: and you can talk to I think the chair of
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  Speaker 4: the Northern Suburbs Liquor Ords.
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  Speaker 3: This is the Cas Club.
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  Speaker 4: They've introduced a residence rule around you must live in
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  Speaker 4: the Northern Suburbs and demonstrate where you're going to consume
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  Speaker 4: your ol call and have an appropriate residence to buy
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  Speaker 4: our cohol. Now we've been doing that in Fanny Bay
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  Speaker 4: for sixty days and the chair of our one, Nevelle
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  Speaker 4: is and they've ex nevill from Prap Fine Foods. They've
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  Speaker 4: extended it out to the middle of the financial year,
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  Speaker 4: so the two kilometer rule. In its context, we have
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  Speaker 4: what we call general restricted area. All of Darwin is
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  Speaker 4: a general restricted area. You cannot drink in a public place.
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  Speaker 4: There are certain areas that have times that you can,
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  Speaker 4: but outside of that it's still it's.
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  Speaker 3: Still against the law.
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  Speaker 1: This is I think where people are really getting the
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  Speaker 1: shits for one of a better word is that they're
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  Speaker 1: thinking to themselves, we'll hang on a sec. If that's
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  Speaker 1: the case, why is there still public drinking? And again
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  Speaker 1: it's part of the puzzle. One of the other parts
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  Speaker 1: of it, though, I guess is, and you've touched on this,
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  Speaker 1: is you know, people aren't going to be able to
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  Speaker 1: pay fines if they are genuinely homeless.
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  Speaker 3: Exactly right.
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  Speaker 1: So there's that worry. But also is there enough short
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  Speaker 1: term accommodation for people?
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  Speaker 3: We have it.
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  Speaker 4: We pay for a significant amount a short stay, visitors
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  Speaker 4: stay and meetiam and long term you know, thirty one
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  Speaker 4: million dollars in the budget was put towards homeless services
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  Speaker 4: and housing. There's definitely gets blockages and any given day
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  Speaker 4: there may be a bed, there may not be. And
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  Speaker 4: hence I go back to this point. I don't want
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  Speaker 4: people being issued the notices. You know, when there's nowhere
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  Speaker 4: to go, they've not been offered somewhere to stay. But
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  Speaker 4: in the instance of the two instances, I've spoken to
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  Speaker 4: council and they've had significant engagement, significant options.
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  Speaker 1: Now, so is it the council's job to be offering
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  Speaker 1: people somewhere to stay?
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  Speaker 4: Wellson, we pay for the services. They decide to have
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  Speaker 4: an outreach team. You know, how they structure their ranges
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  Speaker 4: and their outreach team is to them. I would say
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  Speaker 4: they don't have enough public place ranges and a good
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  Speaker 4: example of that is the amount of people in the
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  Speaker 4: frustration with dangerous dogs and barking of dogs. They don't
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  Speaker 4: enforce those bylaws appropriately. They've got two ranges that do
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  Speaker 4: public places. They've got two ranges that do their outreach team.
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  Speaker 4: I think that with Larochian Nation is probably the best
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  Speaker 4: service that we have and I'm glad we fund so.
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  Speaker 1: I do want to ask you that is Larichian Nation,
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  Speaker 1: is their return to country still in place?
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  Speaker 3: The return to country is still in place.
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  Speaker 4: They still facilitate that take people to Casarina to book
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  Speaker 4: that in if it's going to be federally or if
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  Speaker 4: Antique government's providing a period of time where sometimes we
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  Speaker 4: will offer it, will pay for it to when we've
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  Speaker 4: got huge influxes. But every day Larakian Nation can facilitate
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  Speaker 4: the access to the return to country. The problem becomes
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  Speaker 4: some people just will book it and then will not
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  Speaker 4: turn up or will change their mind.
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  Speaker 1: And so how many people have been returned to country
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  Speaker 1: in recent in recent months?
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  Speaker 4: Do we have any idea and get the numbers. I
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  Speaker 4: didn't get those today before coming on the show. I'm
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  Speaker 4: happy to come back to you with a cadie. But
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  Speaker 4: you know, we do go through I guess peak periods
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  Speaker 4: where we target that will focus on how turn a
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  Speaker 4: country is on, you know, and you're actively following people up.
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  Speaker 1: But I think we're in that situation at the moment
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  Speaker 1: where we actually do need to get a bit of
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  Speaker 1: focus on this again because it does seem to be
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  Speaker 1: quite a few people around, not just I think this
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  Speaker 1: is the other really big point is it's not just
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  Speaker 1: in Fanny Bay, not just your electorate's certainly not just
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  Speaker 1: in long Limb. But you go into the city, you
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  Speaker 1: go out to Palmerston and it's tough.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Today, listen, I think post COVID we've seen more people
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  Speaker 4: in town we ever have for a variety of reasons,
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  Speaker 4: and we need to keep pushing really hard on returning
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  Speaker 4: country we all.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's to access alcohol.
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  Speaker 4: I think some people are. I think there's a variety
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  Speaker 4: of reasons. Absolutely there are people here accessing alcohol that's
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  Speaker 4: never really changed, just increased post COVID. I think we
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  Speaker 4: also need to articulate to people and work with people
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  Speaker 4: coming in both from community and the tourists and the backpackers.
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  Speaker 4: You need to have a plan where you're staying if
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  Speaker 4: you're coming into town for a holiday. You know, we
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  Speaker 4: can't have your sleeping in the parks and public places.
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  Speaker 4: You know, we have temporary accommodation, short day and agency family.
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  Speaker 4: We have a two week rule in public housing you
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  Speaker 4: can stay for before you have to vacate. Like, we
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  Speaker 4: need to get better at helping people build a plan
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  Speaker 4: for when they go on holidays rather than Hey, I'm
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  Speaker 4: just going to stay with family until i can't stay
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  Speaker 4: there anymore, and then I'm going to go and sleep
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  Speaker 4: in Funny Bay by the Wardlight.
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  Speaker 1: Now, obviously the council have said as part of their
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  Speaker 1: statement that the increase in the number of people staying
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  Speaker 1: in Doe AND's created a significant upsurge in the workload
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  Speaker 1: for the City of dow and frontline staff, including their
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  Speaker 1: ranges and assertive outreach, cleaning and parks and reserves teams.
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  Speaker 1: And they'd be supportive of any initiatives from the Northern
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  Speaker 1: Territory government to put in place to provide more short
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  Speaker 1: stay accommodation and support services to people experiencing homelessness.
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  Speaker 4: Quite funny that it always comes back to dollars with Counseling.
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  Speaker 4: In that meeting was made very clear by the Lord
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  Speaker 4: Mayor that if we provided funding they would enforce it.
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  Speaker 4: This isn't a funding issue for counsel They've chosen to
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  Speaker 4: only have two public place ranges. They choose to not
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  Speaker 4: enforce that, Biler and I've got that directly from their
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  Speaker 4: rangers on the ground when I talked them. They're frustration.
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  Speaker 4: You talk to the cleaners that are going beween these facilities.
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  Speaker 4: I'll say you, I'm here two three times a day,
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  Speaker 4: and I say, what do you think this is bandaid
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  Speaker 4: in the situation, and they go absolutely, you know, we
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  Speaker 4: should be telling people you can't camp in the toilet.
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  Speaker 1: I've got to tell you, Brent, you know, same as
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  Speaker 1: what I said to you on Friday, and I'll say
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  Speaker 1: the same thing to the council. We're in a situation
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  Speaker 1: right now where there is people that are sleeping rough
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  Speaker 1: around the city.
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  Speaker 2: I think a lot of people don't.
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  Speaker 1: Have a huge concern if people are sleeping rough, but
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  Speaker 1: they're doing the right thing absolutely. But right now we've
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  Speaker 1: got absolutely a situation with public drinking, anti social behavior
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  Speaker 1: and criminal behavior. You know, I had a phone call
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  Speaker 1: earlier this morning from a listener not on air, off
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  Speaker 1: air who'd said to me, you know, they were riding
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  Speaker 1: home from work and there's a domestic violence incident right
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  Speaker 1: on the main street of the CBD.
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  Speaker 2: You know, yep, police get called. But lo, this is happening.
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  Speaker 1: This isn't just a one off unfortunately, It's something that
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  Speaker 1: we're seeing all the time. Are we at the point
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  Speaker 1: where we actually all need to get together? There needs
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  Speaker 1: to be a sum much or something and we have
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  Speaker 1: got to sort this out.
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  Speaker 4: So ironically, Katie, in one of my emails today City Council,
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  Speaker 4: I said to them, I'm going to do a fortnightly
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  Speaker 4: catch up with businesses and a fortnightly catch up with
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  Speaker 4: government agencies and service providers because I want to resolve
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  Speaker 4: the local issues in my electric Now people say you
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  Speaker 4: shouldn't just be focused in your electric. Well, the reality
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  Speaker 4: of it is, I'm a local member. I need to
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  Speaker 4: service my constituent first and foremost.
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  Speaker 3: Now.
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  Speaker 4: That offer was putting an email to two council staff members,
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  Speaker 4: to which neither of them replied. I meet fortnightly with
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  Speaker 4: the council aldermen and they're fantastic and we work at
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  Speaker 4: our level. But I've opened it up to like I
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  Speaker 4: do with the liquor coord like I meet with anti
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  Speaker 4: police and other government agents to come in and sit
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  Speaker 4: in the room and work with me on the individual's
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  Speaker 4: hotspots I have in the electorate. I think if we
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  Speaker 4: look at it very lineal though, everyone has to do
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  Speaker 4: their part. You know, police do their part. We've seen
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  Speaker 4: territory families and all of our outreach services non government.
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  Speaker 4: We just need And the reason we're taking this so
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  Speaker 4: strongly is because we just need counselors to do this.
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  Speaker 4: But I'm not asking anything more than what their builer is.
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  Speaker 4: I don't want the fine. I'd actually like to see
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  Speaker 4: them renegg on the fine that they've issued currently for
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  Speaker 4: their legal camping and go down the notice path, And
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  Speaker 4: what I mean by that is you issue the notice
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  Speaker 4: to vacate, if they still don't vacate, then you hand
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  Speaker 4: that over as a trespass to that point police and
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  Speaker 4: have discretion as well. No one's going to jail, but
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  Speaker 4: there has to be a reason to take the services
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  Speaker 4: we're paying for, and at the moment there's no reason
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  Speaker 4: because they own that land. At each point, Crown Lands
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  Speaker 4: do it how I've just described, and they're actually enforcing
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  Speaker 4: that on our land.
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  Speaker 2: What about for some of our businesses.
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  Speaker 1: You know, they're putting up with people who are not
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  Speaker 1: only sleeping rough outside, they're defecating on their front steps.
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  Speaker 2: You know what.
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  Speaker 1: That might not be considered criminal behavior, but it is
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  Speaker 1: absolutely terrible.
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  Speaker 4: Behalve the public health orst first and foremost. And listen,
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  Speaker 4: I've been working with the Funny Bay shops down there
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  Speaker 4: and there they were genuinely that the we'd's end and
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  Speaker 4: they have been emailing counsel back and forward and.
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  Speaker 3: Just falls on deaf years.
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  Speaker 4: The one, as I said previously on the show, trespass
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  Speaker 4: will come is a bit to a degree for private businesses.
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  Speaker 4: With the trespass form, it will be a lot easier
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  Speaker 4: to issue the notices and move people on.
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  Speaker 2: Do you reckon it's going to work.
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  Speaker 1: I hope it works, like honestly, I really hope that
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  Speaker 1: it does.
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  Speaker 2: But is it going to work Brent?
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  Speaker 1: Or are we just going to end up in the
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  Speaker 1: same situation as what we're in now sort of thing
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  Speaker 1: where you issue someone are fine?
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  Speaker 2: Can they even pay us?
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  Speaker 4: Well, the tresspar doesn't come with a fine at the
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  Speaker 4: point of issue. But I think at the end of
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  Speaker 4: the day, we have to try. This is the piece
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  Speaker 4: that we know that it's missing. Police has said it's
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  Speaker 4: been missing and it's difficult to enforce, and it's not
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  Speaker 4: use legislation. The Chamber of Commerce, the SDA, all of
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  Speaker 4: those people have been advocating for it and small business.
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  Speaker 4: I do think it'll work. I think if everyone does
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  Speaker 4: the bit, it will free up in other areas, as in,
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  Speaker 4: if you're doing your by law enforcement in the morning
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  Speaker 4: and early denying the camping police are out with our
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  Speaker 4: liquor accords and all of our liquor inspectors reducing access
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  Speaker 4: to alcohol, then we should see a reduction in DV
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  Speaker 4: in the afternoons, which will start to forre out police
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  Speaker 4: from going to DV. That's how I see it very lineal,
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  Speaker 4: but everyone has to do their bit and at the
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  Speaker 4: moment we're missing that very start on public land.
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  Speaker 1: So do you feel at the moment sounds like that
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  Speaker 1: finger is being pointed at the council.
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  Speaker 4: I'm happy to take all criticism, and I do this
• 12:42
  Speaker 4: on the show, and you know, people that live in
• 12:43
  Speaker 4: my electric know exactly what I'm doing in pract with
• 12:45
  Speaker 4: private security, a liquor accord and the fortnightly meeting with businesses.
• 12:49
  Speaker 4: But yeah, I absolutely am pointed the finger because the
• 12:51
  Speaker 4: reality of it is they're fighting this. They're issuing fines
• 12:53
  Speaker 4: when I've said clearly in every bit of correspondence there's
• 12:55
  Speaker 4: not a single bit of correspondence. So I've said fine,
• 12:57
  Speaker 4: I've just said issue the notice and I can't understand
• 12:59
  Speaker 4: why will do that. They won't do that, but they'll
• 13:02
  Speaker 4: go to parrap on a Thursday and issue parents parking
• 13:04
  Speaker 4: infringements on a drop off.
• 13:06
  Speaker 3: Well, it's revenue raising.
• 13:07
  Speaker 2: I am.
• 13:08
  Speaker 1: I'm anticipating a phone call from the Lord Mayor to
• 13:11
  Speaker 1: us here on the show, so we'll wait and see
• 13:13
  Speaker 1: exactly what the council. I've got to say, Brent, thank
• 13:15
  Speaker 1: you very much for coming into the studio this morning
• 13:17
  Speaker 1: and having a chat with us. Are we going to
• 13:18
  Speaker 1: see you on Friday again? You are going to see
• 13:20
  Speaker 1: thank You next meeting, so.
• 13:22
  Speaker 2: You're in again. Good on you mate, Thank you, appreciate it.