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Did Erika Jayne Know? Sisterwives, and Buying Beverly Hills · Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald

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  Speaker 1: The car is beautiful. Where did you end up going
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  Speaker 1: for it? This exclusive place that Dad has connections with.
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  Speaker 3: Where?
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  Speaker 1: Dunaidial. There's an accent on the E. Do you mean... Yes,
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  Speaker 2: Lift?
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  Speaker 1: Please. Are you going past Kimmage? Oh, Kimmage.
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  Speaker 4: No.
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  Speaker 1: Dundale Cars. You couldn't possibly go anywhere else. Heather MacDonald
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  Speaker 1: has got the Juicy Scoop. When you're on the road,
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  Speaker 1: when you're on the go, Juicy Scoop is the show
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  Speaker 3: Listen in, listen up.
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  Speaker 5: Woo, woo.
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  Speaker 1: Heather MacDonald.
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  Speaker 3: Woo.
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  Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to Juicy Scoop. Well, it's almost here.
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  Speaker 1: I'm coming to the East Coast for the final leg
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  Speaker 1: of my live Juicy Scoop tour. I will be bringing
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  Speaker 1: the hilarious Chris Frangiola with me. We are going first
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  Speaker 1: this Thursday, November 17th to the Wilbur Theatre, world famous
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  Speaker 1: Wilbur Theatre in Boston. It is almost sold out, but
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  Speaker 1: you can still get a couple tickets and I really
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  Speaker 1: suggest you go because We save the juiciest and the
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  Speaker 1: funniest stuff for the live shows because we say it
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  Speaker 1: and then it's gone. It's not to be repeated. It's
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  Speaker 1: not to be recorded. It's not so you can listen
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  Speaker 1: to it again. You have to be in the theater
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  Speaker 1: to hear it. And that's why they're so juicy and
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  Speaker 1: so good and why they're selling so well. But there's
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  Speaker 1: still a few tickets left. And then Friday the 18th
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  Speaker 1: will be in Philadelphia. And Saturday we have two shows,
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  Speaker 1: an early and a later show at the Kennedy Center
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  Speaker 1: in D.C. Everything is at HeatherMcDonald.net. Get those tickets. Speaking
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  Speaker 1: of live shows, last week I talked about a reel
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  Speaker 1: that I saw on Whitney Cummings' Instagram and I discussed
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  Speaker 1: what I thought she was saying. Turns out she was joking.
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  Speaker 1: She was talking about the city of Oxnard. It was
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  Speaker 1: all a joke. She did a video on her social
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  Speaker 1: media a couple days after saying that she was in
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  Speaker 1: fact joking and she let me know that she was
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  Speaker 1: joking and now I'm letting you know she was joking.
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  Speaker 1: So if you live in Oxnard, it was a joke,
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  Speaker 1: and you can go see her perform there. Okay, you guys,
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  Speaker 1: let's get into the Tom Girardi juicy scoop that's happening.
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  Speaker 1: There's so much going on with this case. It's a
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  Speaker 1: lot to cover. I'm going to just get you guys
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  Speaker 1: up to date because people are asking me to cover this.
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  Speaker 1: What I think is so interesting is, okay, first, there's
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  Speaker 1: two things that happen. First of all, the CFO, Chief
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  Speaker 1: Financial Officer, of Tom Girardi's law firm, has been arrested
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  Speaker 1: for embezzling $ 10 million, some of which paid for prostitutes
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  Speaker 1: and mansions in L.A. and the Caribbean, the prosecutor's claim.
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  Speaker 1: His name's Christopher Kamen. He's 49. He was arrested last
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  Speaker 1: week coming off a plane from the Bahamas. He is
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  Speaker 1: accused of running a side fraud scheme within Tom Girardi's
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  Speaker 1: law firm. He's accused of— Girardi, of course, is married to
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  Speaker 1: The Real Housewife star Erika Jayne. We all know that.
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  Speaker 1: And he has obviously been accused of stealing client settlement money.
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  Speaker 1: But Girardi has not been arrested. He's still living in
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  Speaker 1: a legal conservatorship. He claims to have Alzheimer's, and that really,
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  Speaker 1: in my opinion, appears to be true. Prosecutors say that Kamen, however,
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  Speaker 1: stole from the firm for the 20 years that he
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  Speaker 1: worked there and had a front row seat. to the
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  Speaker 1: wider theft. So they're saying he knew what was going on.
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  Speaker 1: He was part of it. He, because he was chief
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  Speaker 1: financial officer, he then knew that 10 million settlement came
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  Speaker 1: in here. We're only going to give 1 million to
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  Speaker 1: the victims. We're going to spend the rest of the
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  Speaker 1: money running our lives, giving it to Tom and I'm
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  Speaker 1: going to take some and I'm going to allegedly get
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  Speaker 1: a prostitute. I'm going to buy a mansion for cash
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  Speaker 1: and then the victim is like, hi, when do I
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  Speaker 1: get the rest of my $ 9 million? And then they
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  Speaker 1: didn't have the means to try to get that money
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  Speaker 1: from Tom Girardi. And it went on and on and on,
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  Speaker 1: like a Ponzi scheme, taking it from people, spending it
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  Speaker 1: on others, putting out a persona. And the board let
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  Speaker 1: this happen. The California board knew of all these complaints,
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  Speaker 1: and they let it happen. So they're very guilty. And
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  Speaker 1: I think what we're starting to really see here is
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  Speaker 1: the fact that I think Erica is going to have
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  Speaker 1: a really good case in what she's been saying the
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  Speaker 1: whole time and saying like, I did not know what
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  Speaker 1: was going on. I did not work there. I did
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  Speaker 1: not work there. I was a trophy wife that stood
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  Speaker 1: by my man and went to the events I was
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  Speaker 1: invited to and got to be Erica Jane and do
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  Speaker 1: my thing and shop when I wanted with the credit
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  Speaker 1: card that he gave me. And no, I didn't know
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  Speaker 1: each case and where it was going. And I certainly
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  Speaker 1: didn't know that the CFO was also taking money. Now,
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  Speaker 1: the other interesting thing that has come out, Erica did
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  Speaker 1: post about this. She said this shit gets crazier and
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  Speaker 1: crazier after hearing about the CFO's arrest. He worked for
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  Speaker 1: the firm, they said, and lived beyond his $ 350, 000 a
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  Speaker 1: year salary. So that's really the thing. If you make $ 350, 000
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  Speaker 1: a year and you're buying mansions and you know, go
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  Speaker 1: and have a place in the Bahamas and all this stuff. It's,
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  Speaker 1: you're like, well, where did you get those? Where'd you
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  Speaker 1: get that couple million to, you know, put an all
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  Speaker 1: cash offer on some place? Um, during his initial court appearance,
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  Speaker 1: prosecutors slammed, um, slammed saying that he was greedy and
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  Speaker 1: this is not a Robin hood type theft. They said,
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  Speaker 1: this is purely greed and a lavish lifestyle. So it
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  Speaker 1: wasn't like he was taking the money. from Tom Girardi
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  Speaker 1: and going, oh, and by the way, I'm going to
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  Speaker 1: run over to this victim's house and give it to them. No,
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  Speaker 1: he was completely part of it, not just, you know,
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  Speaker 1: complacent and not caring about it. No, he was actually
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  Speaker 1: doing his own side scam. Prosecutors say they have reason
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  Speaker 1: to believe that Kamen would flee to the Bahamas if
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  Speaker 1: given bail, and that is why he's in bars, behind bars. Now,
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  Speaker 1: the other thing that happened is there's a whole nother
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  Speaker 1: case that has been brought. The defendants are the Council
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  Speaker 1: Financial Services, the California Attorney Lending. These are the legal
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  Speaker 1: lenders that consecutively lent money to Tom to have him
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  Speaker 1: run this fraudulent, awful criminal case. legal situation where he
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  Speaker 1: wouldn't give his victims the money that they were entitled to.
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  Speaker 1: And by them, by the lenders knowing, they're saying the
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  Speaker 1: lenders knew this. And also the lenders were first in
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  Speaker 1: line to get any money back because they're like, we
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  Speaker 1: lent this money to Tom Girardi, so we should be
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  Speaker 1: the first ones to get all the money back. And
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  Speaker 1: they believe they're part of it. They said that Joseph D.,
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  Speaker 1: DiNardo is believed to be one of the owners of
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  Speaker 1: both the companies, the legal lending company. The suit asserts
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  Speaker 1: that the litigation funders were implied partners, in fact, with Girardi,
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  Speaker 1: meaning they were all part of it together. And they
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  Speaker 1: owed a fiduciary duty to the law firm's clients to
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  Speaker 1: let them know what was going on with their funds
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  Speaker 1: when they weren't getting them. So they're in a lot
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  Speaker 1: of trouble. The partnership began as early as 2005. between
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  Speaker 1: the legal lenders and Girardi and Keyes law firm until
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  Speaker 1: the filing of the Girardi-Keys bankruptcy in December of 2020,
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  Speaker 1: the suit said. When other litigation funders sued Girardi and
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  Speaker 1: Keyes for defaulted loans, Donardi personally stepped in and took
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  Speaker 1: control of the negotiations regarding the other litigation lenders, which
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  Speaker 1: led to various workout arrangements. The suit said Donardi arranged
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  Speaker 1: a full payoff to one of the other lenders, even
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  Speaker 1: though California Attorney Lending held a prioriate lien. So I
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  Speaker 1: know this is really confusing. You're like, Heather, I don't understand.
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  Speaker 1: What they're saying is the legal lenders that helped fund
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  Speaker 1: Tom Girardi's law firm were actually, they believe, completely aware
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  Speaker 1: of what was going on, was part of it, and
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  Speaker 1: benefiting from it. Now this is really important because this
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  Speaker 1: all comes back to the thing that we care most about.
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  Speaker 1: The one thing I said in the Hulu doc is
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  Speaker 1: we all want to know, did Erica know? I didn't
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  Speaker 1: know then. I feel more confident now that I don't
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  Speaker 1: think she knew. I really don't think she understood it.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think I think there is this spousal law
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  Speaker 1: where almost like Bernie Madoff's wife, she was not held
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  Speaker 1: responsible in that Ponzi scheme. And I think that my
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  Speaker 1: prediction is that Erica will not be found responsible either.
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  Speaker 1: And I think part of the reason why she was
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  Speaker 1: adamant about the earrings, which became such a big part
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  Speaker 1: of Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, is I don't think
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  Speaker 1: she handled it right on camera. I think If I
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  Speaker 1: was her good friend, I think I could have coached
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  Speaker 1: her better to explain it. And what I would have
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  Speaker 1: said is, Erica, when the earrings come up, first of all,
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  Speaker 1: don't wear them on the show, okay? Don't wear them
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  Speaker 1: on the show. But when the earrings come up, you
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  Speaker 1: should say, which is what it is, the reason she
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  Speaker 1: didn't get back the earrings is because the earrings were
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  Speaker 1: purchased so many years back that does not affect a
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  Speaker 1: bankruptcy law. So if she was to give the earrings
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  Speaker 1: back just out of the goodness of her heart, okay,
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  Speaker 1: she could have done that. That might've been good for PR.
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  Speaker 1: But the reason they were saying not to is because
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  Speaker 1: her attorneys were like, this bankruptcy law is not entitled
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  Speaker 1: because of bankruptcy law. They're not entitled to those earrings
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  Speaker 1: because they were purchased so far back. It's not part,
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  Speaker 1: it would have, it would have changed legal precedence. Like
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  Speaker 1: it would have changed law. So the other part of
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  Speaker 1: it is she's been married to this guy for 20 years.
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  Speaker 1: She's 50 years old. Yes, she's on a TV show.
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  Speaker 1: But if these earrings, valued at $ 1. 4 million, was a
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  Speaker 1: home that she owned, that maybe it was both of
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  Speaker 1: their homes, and then after they sold it, passed it in-house,
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  Speaker 1: she was living in that home, and this was the
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  Speaker 1: only asset that she had from 20 years of living
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  Speaker 1: with Tom Girardi— in which he wasn't very nice to her.
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  Speaker 1: We saw it on the TV. And he cheated on her.
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  Speaker 1: We have proof of that. So they had a transactional
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  Speaker 1: marriage where they stayed together. Maybe they were friends. Maybe
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  Speaker 1: it was mother-daughter, father-daughter. I don't know what the fuck
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  Speaker 1: it was at the end. But it clearly wasn't like
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  Speaker 1: a romantic, giving, loving relationship. But she stayed in it
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  Speaker 1: because that was the arrangement and that was the persona.
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  Speaker 1: And a lot of people don't get divorced that are
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  Speaker 1: in shitty marriages. It's a big pain in the ass,
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  Speaker 1: especially when you're, like she said to Andy, Andy, I'm
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  Speaker 1: married to a very powerful attorney. I don't, you know,
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  Speaker 1: a prenup would have done me no good anyway. Like
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  Speaker 1: she knew her hands were tied. And like looking back
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  Speaker 1: at everything, I kind of see where she's coming from more.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm just saying, if the earrings were a home,
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  Speaker 1: I don't think, the people around her on the cast
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  Speaker 1: members and the people at home would see it as,
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  Speaker 1: as such like a, a vanity move because it's like
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  Speaker 1: these big diamond earrings, but really they're her only asset.
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  Speaker 1: And then when Kathy Hilton's like, what about that Cartier ring?
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  Speaker 1: And all the, and she's like, really? Again, I think
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  Speaker 1: if she was just to give everything and just be
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  Speaker 1: like a, you know, a popper walk or whatever you
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  Speaker 1: call it, like, literally have nothing and be wearing sweats
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  Speaker 1: and like, here's my earring. Here's all this. I feel
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  Speaker 1: so bad. I think she does feel bad. But at
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  Speaker 1: the same time, she got screwed too in many ways.
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  Speaker 1: She didn't expect after 20 years of marriage to not
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  Speaker 1: have anything. She didn't know that like, oh, I'm going
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  Speaker 1: to spend all this money. Oh, let's not.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, can I have that money from the burn victim? Oh, thanks, Tom.
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  Speaker 1: Let me take this and go. So I think this
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  Speaker 1: just really says what she was trying to convey to
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  Speaker 1: us through the TV, which I think was challenging for her.
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  Speaker 1: I think it was challenging for her personality because she's
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  Speaker 1: not a warm and snuggly person. I think it's challenging
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  Speaker 1: because of the persona that she has presented all these years.
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  Speaker 1: And I think it was challenging because she had to
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  Speaker 1: follow her lawyers. And so I think it's been really
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  Speaker 1: interesting what we're going to see here. And I just
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  Speaker 1: I think I said it before, like, I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: maybe they'll, maybe she'll actually join some of the other
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  Speaker 1: people that felt they were screwed. And maybe there'll be
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  Speaker 1: sympathy on both sides. And maybe they can all come
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  Speaker 1: together and realize it's the people at the top. You know,
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  Speaker 1: there's nothing we can get from Tom. And he can't
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  Speaker 1: really even speak for himself at this point. He's There
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  Speaker 1: are many witnesses say he's been deteriorating for years. And
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  Speaker 1: so I do believe he's not faking this Alzheimer's thing. But,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I just think a lot of it was
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  Speaker 1: like it made it really juicy and it made it
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  Speaker 1: like a juicier story. But I think she was really
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  Speaker 1: more like Bernie Madoff's wife. And if you look into
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  Speaker 1: that case, she now she wasn't on the housewives. She
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  Speaker 1: went away, but they let her keep like two million dollars.
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  Speaker 1: She died. lived with one of her sons. She led
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  Speaker 1: a simpler life, but she was not like stripped of
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  Speaker 1: every piece of jewelry or everything because she was not
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  Speaker 1: an active participant in the deception of the Ponzi scheme.
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  Speaker 1: And I don't, I personally don't believe that Erica was.
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  Speaker 1: And if that's going to make you freak out, fine.
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  Speaker 1: We'll wait and see. I think it's going to make
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  Speaker 1: for a super juicy, um, season. Cause I definitely think
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  Speaker 1: she'll be coming back, Erica. And, um, My prediction is
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  Speaker 1: Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, which I've heard has still
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  Speaker 1: not started to film again. I have heard from a
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  Speaker 1: very good source that Kyle and Lisa are not talking.
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  Speaker 1: Someone I know was at a birthday party with them
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  Speaker 1: and they were never talking to each other while at
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  Speaker 1: this event, though they were both there with their husbands.
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  Speaker 1: So I think I don't know what's going to happen,
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  Speaker 1: and I don't know what's going to happen with Kathy.
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  Speaker 1: Since Farrah, her daughter, Kyle's daughter, who I'm going to
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  Speaker 1: talk a little bit more about at the end of
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  Speaker 1: the show because I've got a star from buying Beverly
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  Speaker 1: Hills on the show, and that was a fun interview.
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  Speaker 1: But she has since said, I now want a smaller affair,
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  Speaker 1: which could be that she's mature, could be that she's
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  Speaker 1: done with all the hoopla of being a TV personality herself.
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  Speaker 1: Or it could be like, this is too much stress
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  Speaker 1: for my mom and my aunt and my cousins and everything.
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  Speaker 1: I really hope Kathy and Kyle can come together and
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  Speaker 1: that they can come back on the show. But my prediction,
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  Speaker 1: it's not something I wish for, but my prediction is
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  Speaker 1: that Lisa Renner will take a Dorinda pause, will come back,
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  Speaker 1: and it will include Erica and Kathy and the rest
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  Speaker 1: of the girls. This is just what I, Lisa, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I still love your lipstick. I'm just saying might be good.
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  Speaker 1: Might be good for you too. Who knows? We'll see
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  Speaker 1: what happens. Aaron Carter, as we know, passed away after
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  Speaker 1: many years of struggling with drugs and alcohol and, you know,
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  Speaker 1: prescription drugs. And I still don't know that we know
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  Speaker 1: exactly what was in his system, but Some interesting things
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  Speaker 1: that came about. So he was working, according to page six,
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  Speaker 1: with an author to write his book. And now there's
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  Speaker 1: some controversy where the release date of this controversial memoir,
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  Speaker 1: which he tried to shut down. So he was working
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  Speaker 1: on it according to the author, and then he tried
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  Speaker 1: to shut it down. So he was spilling all his
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  Speaker 1: scoop and his life to a professional author that he
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  Speaker 1: was co-writing it with. And then he was like, no,
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  Speaker 1: I don't want this out there. And then he passed.
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  Speaker 1: So now we're in this kind of like precarious position
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  Speaker 1: between the publisher, the author who spent all this time
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  Speaker 1: writing it, and a man who is now deceased. And
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  Speaker 1: when someone is deceased, I'm just and I'm not 100
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  Speaker 1: percent sure. But what's what is interesting about when someone dies, like,
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  Speaker 1: for example, Michael Jackson, people can talk about him and
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  Speaker 1: not get the legal ramifications of defamation. That's my understanding.
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  Speaker 1: So there's a good chance that the guy that was
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  Speaker 1: working on this will end up sharing what was told
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  Speaker 1: to him and the book that he has already done.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not really sure. But according to page six, what
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  Speaker 1: they have heard, that was the juicy stuff, was that
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  Speaker 1: Aaron Carter did spend the night at Michael Jackson's house.
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  Speaker 1: when he was younger and woke up with Michael Jackson
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  Speaker 1: at the edge of his bed wearing a pair of
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  Speaker 1: tighty whiteys. Now, what's also interesting about this is that
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  Speaker 1: there is video of Aaron Carter vehemently defending Michael Jackson saying,
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  Speaker 1: I hung out with Michael Jackson. Nothing ever happened. This
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  Speaker 1: is bullshit. He's the nicest guy I know, which is weird.
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  Speaker 1: There is also a video of Aaron Carter talking to
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  Speaker 1: his mother about in which he filmed the conversation and
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  Speaker 1: he is talking to his mother, which he had shared
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  Speaker 1: throughout their reality show and everything, that the mother and
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  Speaker 1: father were struggling financially. They got Nick Carter into, which
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  Speaker 1: one was he in? Was he in Sync? No, he
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  Speaker 1: was Backstreet Boys. Anyway, it was a Lou Pearlman boy group.
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  Speaker 1: We're going to look it up. I know you guys
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: were like, fucking getting so mad at me. Listen, there's
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: three groups that could be in sync.
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: Backstreet.
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: It was Backstreet Boys.
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: Got him in Backstreet Boys. As you know, Lou Pearlman,
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: Lance Bass did a great documentary about Lou Pearlman. Lou
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: Pearlman is also deceased. He ended up in prison for
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: tax evasion, but he not only screwed over these kids financially,
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: but there was a lot of claims that he also
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: was a sexual predator to these young boys. So in that...
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: In this interview, this conversation that he has with his
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: mom that he put on social media that people then collected,
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: and there's a TikTok that I saw about it, and
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: it's clearly him talking to his mom. And his mom
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: is saying, he goes, Mom, Nick, my older brother, didn't
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: want me to work with Lou Pearlman because Nick knew
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: who he was. Now, I don't know if Nick ever
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: has said that he, in fact, was a victim of
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: Lou Pearlman's. But in this conversation, he was like, and
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: the mom is like, I know. And I thought that
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: was crazy. That was because your brother Nick was jealous
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: of you. He didn't want you to have the same
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: success as you. And Aaron's like, no, he was protecting me.
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: And you were the predator that was like, if you
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: had any inkling that there was a man in your
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: child's life with your older child that might have been
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: anything but completely... you know, an upstanding citizen person, the
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: fact that you would even want to like roll the
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: dice and go, well, you know, we don't know if
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: it's true. I mean, like the moms who were part
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: of Leaving Neverland of Michael Jackson, do you imagine if
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: they had another son and was told this by their
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: child at the time and then was like, well, I
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: don't know if I believe you, but now listen, there
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: are mothers that are very guilty of turning a blind
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: eye to abuse when it's a dad or a stepdad
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: or a boyfriend. And it's so devastating to the kids
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: because it really makes them feel completely unimportant. And clearly,
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: I don't know. We don't know. There's never been anything
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: complete fact in which Aaron Carter says that he suffered
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: any kind of child abuse or trauma or whatever. But
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: I definitely think he did. suffer trauma. I think that's
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: the thing that people then go to oftentimes find themselves
• 21:33
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• 21:36
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• 21:39
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  Speaker 2: I'm Darman, and this is What Happens Next. Each week
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  Speaker 2: on the show, I sit down with extraordinary people who
• 22:17
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• 22:21
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• 22:24
  Speaker 3: Life is one long lesson of chaos.
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: I'm heading to the Emmys, and I have police complaints
• 22:29
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• 22:30
  Speaker 3: When your free will was about to be taken from you,
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• 22:35
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• 22:38
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• 22:40
  Speaker 3: He said, I have a work dad. I need a
• 22:42
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• 22:44
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• 22:45
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• 22:50
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• 22:58
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• 23:00
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• 23:02
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• 23:06
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• 23:16
  Speaker 1: So the other thing that this book claims is that,
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: which is kind of gross that it's out there, but whatever,
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: that he took Hilary Duff's virginity. We know that they
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: were a couple. We know that they're very much in love.
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: But I'm not going to say the age or whatever.
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: You can look it up on page six. I just
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: thought those are the kind of things. So she doesn't
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: want the book out. She thinks it's gross and that
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: it's so insensitive because he just passed. But I find
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: it all very interesting, and hopefully we do know more.
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: And if these powerful players were abusive Hollywood types that
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: took advantage of kids, I think it's really important that
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: we know. And I'm just curious legally what this writer
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: can share. So that's my question about it. Ramona Singer,
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: you guys. I mean, I don't know. This is a
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: sad day for me because she's my favorite person to impersonate.
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: But she has made a statement and exclusively to page six,
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: her favorite person on earth. And she said, um, you
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: know what? I'm going to tell you right now.
• 24:30
  Speaker 6: Okay.
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: I'm done. I'm done with the show. I'm not for now,
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: for now I'm done for now. I'm not going to
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: be on, um, The show right now, I just need
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: a little break. I need to just like, you know,
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: even though I look the youngest and I'm the most popular, apparently,
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: you know, I need to take a little break. So
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: she is not, we know that she's not on the
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: young one, obviously, the whole new cast. But according to
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: page six and according to all the rumors, allegedly, she's
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: definitely not part of the legacy. The legacy is, according
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: to the Reality Rundown and Page Six, is rumored to
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: be Jill Zarin, Luann DeSeps, Dorinda, Sonia, and Kelly Bent-Simone.
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: And I think that's a great cast. I think that
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: could be really fun. I think it's kind of interesting
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: that none of these women have podcasts. Then someone's like, no,
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: Dorinda has a serious radio show. I'm like, well, I
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: don't know if she does, but no one's talking about it.
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: She's not talking about Housewives and whatever she's talking about
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: is probably cooking or something and no one cares. So
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: I'm just saying it's going to be interesting as every
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: housewife has their own podcast. And I understand why they do.
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: They used to do blogs that then they would go
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: back and said, you said in your blog this. Now
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: we're going to have reunions where they're going to say,
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: you said on your podcast this. And just like they
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: would maybe throw up a tweet or an Instagram post,
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: all of that's going to play into, you know, when
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: they get together at the reunion. But I think for
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: the Bravo people, it's a little bit like, wow, it's
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: a little bit magic revealed. It's a little bit too much,
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: you know, behind the curtain of like what is going on.
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: And I think it's nice that these women, we don't
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: know it. every single opinion they have about every single thing,
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: about every single episode, because we're going to be able
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: to kind of see that as they get together and
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: old wounds and history come up, but we get to
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: watch it, not just them re-watching an episode and talking
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: about it. I think this is going to be really great,
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: and I'm very excited if it is in fact true.
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: So good for them. Sister Wives, you guys.
• 26:48
  Speaker 5: Oh my God.
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: The episode last night, was some of the best TV
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: I've ever seen in my life. Because it's so fucking real.
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: It's so juicy. I mean, okay. As you guys know,
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: we've got Cody and the four wives. And for the
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: first half of the episode or more, they're sitting out
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: on Christine's porch. And Christine is saying, my house is
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: in escrow. And we are under contract. Other states say
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: under contract. We say escrow here in California. And I'm
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: leaving in a week, leaving the family, taking my youngest daughter,
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: going where my other kids and grandkids are in Utah.
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: And I'm fucking out of here. And she's being she's
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: so nice. And she's such like a calming kindness about her.
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: Then there's Cody here and then Mary there. and Robin,
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: the newest wife, Mary's the oldest wife, Robin's the newest wife,
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: and Janelle, who is Christine's best friend. Janelle's number two,
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: Christine is three, and Robin is four. And it is
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: just amazing. And someone sent me a photo of Cody's
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: hair where And I can't share because it has– I
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: don't know where it comes from. But he's leaning down
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: and there's an entire bald spot right here. And then
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: there's like trundles of curls and behind. I talked about
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: it before. So now as I'm watching it, that's all
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: I'm looking for. Because his trundles of hair is pushed
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: back by his cheesy sunglasses. And I'm like, is there
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: a bald spot? Because I think it could be a
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: manufactured photo and maybe it's not true. So he's so furious.
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: And basically he's saying– He says in his confessionals, I'm
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: not seeing truly my daughter with Christine, not because I
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: don't want to see truly, just because I can't stand Christine. Okay, well,
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: that's a great way to be as a dad. That's
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: called co-parenting. That's called being a father. I mean, and
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: she's just like, and he goes, I don't, I mean,
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: I don't get it. You know, you're just being selfish. Like,
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: so what that you're, he basically was saying, so what
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: that you're unhappy, right? Because the only thing you're saying
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: you're unhappy with is me. But you agreed to be
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: part of this family forever. So it shouldn't be about me,
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: the man. It should be about the family. And by
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: you making about me, the man, Cody, you're selfish. You're selfish,
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: which is always what has fascinated me about the polygamous
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: religion or whatever people follow in a sister-wife situation, is
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: that if you complain as a woman, you're selfish. Why
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: are you making it about yourself? It's not about you.
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: And she's like, well, you said, Cody, that the marriages
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: are the spokes within the wheel of a wheel. And
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: if the spoke is broken, it's not going to last forever. Eventually,
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: it's going to make the wheel, whatever. You get it.
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: So I just, he's just like, so what that we
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: weren't in love? Like, I tried to love you. You
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: don't love me that much either. So yeah, so what
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: that we weren't in love? You agreed to stick it
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: out for the family. And she's like, I think I
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: did a lot for the family. I think I did
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: really a lot, Cody. I did a lot for the family.
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: And Janelle is like, yeah, she raised my, she raised
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: all the kids together. She was always cooking. She was always,
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: and he's like, and then he goes, and then Robin's
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: like crying and Robin goes, I just want to know, like,
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: I understand your, you know, your relationship with Cody is done,
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: but what about myself and my kids? Like, do you
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: ever want to see us and hang out or like
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: you want to end that too, or you need a break?
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: And she's like, um, I definitely want to see you
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: guys at like a family reunion, but, um, I only
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: am going to be talking to the adult members of
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: the family that I feel close to, which is Janelle.
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: And so Mary and Robin are like, And Cody's just like,
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: and then Cody's like, you know, you know, no, Robin,
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: tell it like it is. You tried and she treated
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: you like dirt from the very beginning. She never liked you.
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: And Christine's just kind of like, um, I thought I
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: was trying. I never went out of my way to
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: be mean. Sorry that you feel that way. Like, I mean,
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: so much of it has to do with COVID. Like,
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: I think that they were all I think he was
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: really only sleeping with Robin and really only in love
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: with Robin. And the rest of the women were hanging
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: on and they were staying in it because he was
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: still such a great dad that would come around and
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: their kids loved seeing them. So like a lot of
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: women that are even in a monogamous marriage, don't get
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: along with her husband, but they stay for the kids.
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: And then once COVID happened and he was one of
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: those people that was just like, absolutely can't be around anybody.
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: The strictest of the COVID rules, except for my pod,
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: which is Robin and her kids. I can't see any
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: of my other kids. I can't see any of my
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: other wives. I'm not going to sleep in my other
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: wives' beds because then they go to the grocery store
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: so they could bring COVID home to me. That is
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: where she was just like, then what's the point? Like,
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: if you're not going to be a good dad, there's
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: no point in having you in my life. Like, forget it. Like,
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: I've given up having someone love me. I have been
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: that person that's like, well, my heart and my thing
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: doesn't matter. But then she was like, but once you
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: started like neglecting my kids, I'm like, what the fuck
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: am I doing? So everyone is obviously on Christine's side. Now,
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: the biggest picture is the TV show. Where does the
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: TV show go? And that is where it's really coming
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: up and really frustrating Cody because he is like, what now?
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: Robin knows the show is not as good. And I
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: think they also care about the whole family and everything.
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: And it's not. And she was hoping that she'd be
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: part of a sister wife. Cody wanted the whole family
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: to live together on Coyote Pass. Coyote Pass is this
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: land that they bought that we've heard about for three
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: years that they can't build on because they owe money
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: on it. And they all thought they were going to
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: have this thing on Coyote Pass and build one big house.
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: And he had plans drawn up. And he's like, you
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: can each have your own kitchen and it's one big,
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: huge thing. And Christine, from the very start, was like, no,
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: I don't want to live under one big roof. And
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: let's each have our own houses at Coyote Pass. But
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: eventually she decided, I'm going to cut my losses. and leave,
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: and I don't care about the show. I don't need
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: to make an income from you anymore. Goodbye. But with
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: her leaving, where does the show go? Now, if they
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: can get another wife, which is what I think Mary's
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: trying to do, she's having a women empowerment seminar at
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: her Airbnb that she had with her mother who said
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: she passed, but now her best friend who she adores
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: is there. I think Maybe that could be something. Janelle
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: got fucked over more than anybody. Mary's living in a
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: nice house all by herself. Janelle and her daughter with
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: Cody are living in a trailer on the land with
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: no electricity or heat. And they have to move the
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: trailer every four months to like a different lot. And
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: it gets real freaking cold in the winter on Coyote Pass.
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: And she's like, yeah, I really regret this, but I
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: wanted to live here because I thought this is the
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: only way I can get move progress on actually building
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: a house here on Coyote Pass. But he's like, well,
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: we can't build anything because we don't have the money
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: because TLC obviously doesn't pay us anything to get to build.
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: And I'm not going to stay with you in this trailer.
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: I've got a beautiful house with Robin. She reveals, this
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: is the craziest part, you guys, and some of you
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: I don't even know the anger that might happen. So Janelle,
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: they each had their own house and they each like
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: owned their own house, right? In the cul-de-sac of Las Vegas.
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: Janelle took the profits of her house and gave it
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: to Robin and Cody to buy a house for Robin.
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: And that's where they live. And only the two of
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: them are on that... that property deed. While Janelle has
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: nothing but the land, her only asset is the land
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: that doesn't have electricity, doesn't have plans built, nothing, and
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: she's living there in a trailer being the star of
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: a reality show that I'm talking about for the last
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: 12 years. I mean, honestly the most screwed over person
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: and like the nicest. Um, so I think she's done.
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: I think everyone wants you to just disband, but what
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: are they going to live off of? They have to
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: keep the show going. So if you're, again, I put
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: it out there. If you think Cody's cute and you
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: want to have sex with him and share him with Robin,
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: Mary is like, Mary doesn't give a shit. He's like,
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: Mary can leave. Mary, um, so Mary's, their daughter now
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: is Leon. Their daughter has become, transitioned into being a man.
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: A lot of the older kids, though, are barely featured
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: on the show and they don't really want to, probably
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: because they got paid nothing and they're like, what's the point?
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: So they, so the whole show is very different now.
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: I will, I will be so bummed if the show ends. I,
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: it can't. I, I don't mind if they, if they
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: hate each other and fight and sit on lawn chairs
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: and talk for an hour. I find it fucking fascinating. But,
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: I think they need another wife and then, um, and
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: Mary needs to come out as a lesbian with her
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: best friend. And, um, I think that'd be great. And
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: if Robin has a sister, like a real blood sister,
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: cause a lot of people in polygamous marriages bring their
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: like real sister to marry Cody, that would really, so that's,
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to save the show you guys, cause I
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: don't know what I'm going to do when it ends.
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: It's so frustrating and so awful.
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: Um, Speaking of a guy that has a lot of kids,
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: this came from Humans of New York. This guy, he doesn't,
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: he gives his sperm to lesbians and different women and
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: he's got 18 kids or something and he just loves
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: spreading his sperm and he doesn't charge people, which some people,
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: their sperm is really expensive or they want to buy
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: the whole lot so other people can't have it. So
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: he's got 18 kids running around And he says eventually
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: he wants to find a couple of the lesbians who
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: he does have sex with to impregnate. Some is insemination,
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: some is full sex with lesbians. He wants to find
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: a couple to be his sister wives. Then we have
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: Nick Cannon, who just had his 13th kid. There's 13 total,
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: maybe a couple are pregnant. He just announced it, and
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: he says that he pays a lot more than $ 3
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: million a year in child support for all these kids.
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: I would think so too. I would think you would
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: pay more. He announced that he said a beautiful day
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: for beautiful Zeppelin cannon to arrive. This was Saturday, November 12th.
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: He did an Instagram post. He said, mommy, and then
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: says her Instagram name, you make it all look so
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: easy and effortless, but I am forever indebted to your
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: tireless work of constant dedication, diligent effort, and selfless love.
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: that you give to our children and myself. Beautiful, that's
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: a child's name, is privileged to have such a loving
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: and spiritually inclined mother. Your resilient strength doesn't go unnoticed.
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: I think it's amazing. I think it's a very nice
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: thing to say. This woman has every right to bask
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: in her three beautiful children with Nick Cannon. I just
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: find it interesting that he is like, you make it
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: look so effortless. How do you do it? When he
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: has like six or seven other women That he has
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: shared children with, that he has been there for the birth.
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: So just, I mean, honestly, you can just cut and
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: paste for the next one because there's another one who's
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: pregnant too. Their kids, Golden, Powerful, Moroccan, Monroe, Rise. I mean,
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: there's so many, I can't even get all the names,
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: but this is hilarious. I don't know who did this.
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: It was sent to me by 10 people. So whoever
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: did this hilarious meme, let me know and I'll make
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: sure to let people know. They said National Geographic determined
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: what Americans will look like in 2050, and it's beautiful.
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: And it is so funny. It's Nick Cannon's face on
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: 12 different men and women of different ages and different hairstyles.
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: And it's so freaking funny. But, yeah, so, you know,
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: there's a guy who's a sperm donor. There's Cody who
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: has 18 kids. And then there's Nick Cannon who's expecting
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: his 13th. So, yeah. Dave Chappelle was on SNL and
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: people at first were concerned because, of course, he has
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: a lot of people in the LGBTQ community and trans
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: community does not like previous material he's put out on
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: his Netflix special about trans people. And I believe there
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: is one SNL member who identifies as non-binary. So they're like, what? Well, anyway,
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: he came on and he did his monologue. And I
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: watched it, and I thought it was hilarious and brilliant.
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: And he's talking about what's going on in the world,
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: which is Kanye and Kanye's anti-Semitic tweets. And I thought
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: it was really– it's Dave Chappelle. It's what he says
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: and does. And the thing that he said that I
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: thought– there were a couple things that he said that
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: I thought were the most brilliant in it. um talking
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: about kanye and how he's like hey i normally respect
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: kanye and like come for him but this was one
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: time where i was like i'm gonna sit this one
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: out he made a joke about how he did the
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: tweet he said what happened was kanye was like i'm
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: feeling really tired but before i go to bed i'm
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: gonna write this tweet of where i'm gonna go defcon
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: on jewish people and he's like and then you know
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: what he did he went to sleep it's like what
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: were you thinking and he said um So then he goes,
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: you know, it's interesting because when it's a group of
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: black guys, they call it a gang. When it's a
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: group of Italian guys, they call it the mob. But
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: when it's a group of Jewish guys, it's a coincidence.
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: And so it was very interesting the way he talked
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: about the whole society and how we're talking about it.
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: And it is a dangerous subject, which made me afraid
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: to talk about it, really, because how can you even
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: talk about it without someone being like, how dare you
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: talk about it? But that's kind of what he examined,
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: and I thought it was really great. And he said,
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: you know, based on Kanye's perception, it's not crazy to
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: think what he thought, but it's crazy to say it.
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: And I thought that is such a true statement for
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: today in the digital world, in social media, and why
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: comedians do, and me, save the stuff. That we just
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: want to say that we're not totally sure that every
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: single person would be okay with hearing it. You do
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: it in a comedy club. You do it live. They
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: take your phones. They put them aside. They don't in
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: my show, but I know in his shows, they take
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: your phone and you can't have your phone while you're
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: in there. No, you can't have your phone. They put
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: it in a sack so that you have it so
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: you can feel if it's vibrating, like in a case
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: of an emergency, maybe you have a sitter. But then
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: you have to go outside to have them open the
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: sack so that then you can check your phone, which
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: I think is such a great thing. Not every club
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: has it. People at Dave Chappelle's level insist on it.
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: And also it's when big comedians have that when they're
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: working on a special and they don't want the material
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: that you may see on Netflix online. three months from now,
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: to be spoiled on a TikTok. But also, let me
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: see how this reacts. Maybe it's not that good. Maybe
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: it's something I don't want. Maybe it is too timely
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: and I don't want it in my Netflix thing, but
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: I don't want it out there in the universe. But
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: for the thousand people that came to see this, it's
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: for the moment. It's not to live on in infamy.
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: It's for the moment. But when people tweet and do
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: things like that, like a Kanye, it does live in infamy.
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: And that is what I thought was so... interesting and
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: why people are so drawn to Dave Chappelle as just
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: an artist of stand-up comedy. Anyway, it has gotten some backlash.
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: People are not happy about what he said. They're attacking
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: NBC for allowing it. But for the most part, I
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: think it was really well received and really thought-provoking. So,
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: you can check that out. Well, some scoop on Tom
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: Brady and Giselle. Tom Brady... according to page six, said
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: he wouldn't change a thing. He says that he has
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: zero regrets about unretiring from the NFL despite the Tampa
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: Bay Buccaneers' poor start to the season and his divorce
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: from Gisele. Good. I'm glad you have no regrets, Tom Brady.
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: Because meanwhile, Gisele has been seen with a new dude.
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: She is back on the dating scene, Gisele, after the divorce.
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: stepping out with this guy, Joaquim Valente, over the weekend.
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: And who is he exactly? Well, the New York Post
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: says that she was out in Costa Rica on a
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: dinner date with this new guy, and he is a
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: jujitsu instructor. for a dinner date in Costa Rica. And okay.
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: So this is so, so juicy. All I know is
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: what I read to you guys. Okay. But could it
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: be that there was some relationship going on before we
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: heard of their separation? Could, is this guy like the
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: karate instructor for the kid? Like, Um, I know, uh,
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: I've known some ladies that have gotten with their kids, uh,
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: T-ball coach or, um, or heard about it or a
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: karate coach or things like that. Um, and if she,
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: I don't know, I find it super juicy and good
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: for her. Good for her. Get your groove on. I
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: saw that she also bought, I think, um, a new house,
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: like very close to Tom Brady and And it's like
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: 11 million or something. So that'll make the co-parenting good
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: and easy and good. I'm glad he doesn't give a shit. Like, oh, then, oh,
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: there was a really, a commercial that, um, was the
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: two of them that I guess is not aging well,
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: but it's Tom and Giselle. And it's about calling all
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: their friends to get them to invest in crypto, which
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: also didn't age well. And the first thing he says
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: is he's like, um, Hey, and they're like, he's like, no, I'm,
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: I'm not, I'm glad I didn't. Or something about retirement.
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: He makes some joke about going back and from retirement
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: to going back to football and she's there and he's,
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: it's part of their jokey part of the commercial. And
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: so people like this didn't age well for numerous reasons, but, um, good.
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: If you have no regrets, good. Go, go find another wife.
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: It's not like you're gonna have any problem dating anyone else.
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: So I'm glad, I'm glad they're broken up. Good for her.
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: Go get your groove on. Now, this was juicy. I'd
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: heard about this episode of a show. This is Glennon Doyle.
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: And it's somebody I don't really follow that I hear
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: the name. And she, from what I understand, is she
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: had very popular books about spirituality. And Oprah loved her.
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: She was married. She was Christian. But she was like,
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: I don't know. She was maybe a conservative Christian, but
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: in a really spiritual, positive way that women loved. Anyway,
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: she became huge. She, at a speaking engagement, ran into
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: Abby Wambach, and they fell in love. Now, I don't
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: know everything, so I might. I don't know if she
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: was divorced before she fell in love with her. She
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: fell in love with her. She was never with a
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: woman prior. She fell in love with her. She was soccer.
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: They fell in love. And now she is a remarried
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: lesbian woman to her, and they have a podcast together
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: along with her sister, okay? And it's a very popular podcast.
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: And it's about kindness and, you know, growth and like
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: all that kind of good stuff, right? So I heard
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: people talking about it that they did an episode. So
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: I listened to it with Peter on the way down
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: to the boat this weekend. And it was the episode
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: that that never was. And they're like, come on. And
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: they're like, okay, you guys were just going to talk
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: about what just happened. We were going to have an
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: interview with someone. We were very excited to interview. We
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: spent a lot, long time preparing for it. And the
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: way we do it is there are zooms or however
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: they do it.
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: Zoom.
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: I assume she's like, we have several teams that work
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: on this podcast, which always kills me. Cause it's like,
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: just Danny and I. And so, They say we've got
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: our game. guest and our team works with that guest
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: to make sure that all the tech stuff is working
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: with them. And then we have our, another team working
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: on our tech stuff. I'm like, it's just a Zoom.
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: I don't know what so much is involved. When I
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: do a Zoom, they send it and then Annie presses
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: the click button and then she walks away and then
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: I do the interview. But okay. Okay. you know, whatever. So,
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: and then they merge the two Zooms together and then
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: we do this amazing interview. So they get alerted that
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: the one team helping the guest, there was some type
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: of issue and the guest's husband spoke to the team
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: member in a disrespectful way. And they heard that and
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: they said, we're out. We're not doing the interview. You
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: do not especially a man, speak to our young team
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: girl like that. So very good. You know, that's great.
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: That's nice. And then they said, when we talked to
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: the guest, she said, oh, is this because the team member,
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: I'm just going to call her Amy. Okay. I don't
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: know her name once. is this because Amy's feelings were hurt?
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: And then that also really pissed them off because they
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: thought that was like a rude way instead of being like, wait,
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Did we speak? You know, I'm sorry that
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: we got frustrated. I didn't, you know, I didn't mean
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: for my husband or I to like speak poorly or whatever.
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: It's just been a long day. I probably, it wasn't
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: anything like, it was like, oh. And then she said, well,
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: it was fine when I did this very popular male
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: comedian's um podcast I did that and it worked out
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: fine or something so I don't know what's going on
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: they're like it's fine we're just we're not we're not
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: gonna fuck with you basically we're not fucking with you
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: we don't need you on our show we're super rich
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: we're super popular we live in Manhattan Beach we're two
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: happy lesbians with my sister and we don't need to
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: do this and it was good because it made for
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: a really juicy podcast probably much juicier than whoever this
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: woman was who was pushing her podcast or her book
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: or her you know women's empowerment weekend The thing is,
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: nobody knows who the person was. So the Reddit starts
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: going and people are trying to guess who it is
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: with the clues. And they're thinking it's Harry and Meghan
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: because they don't follow them. And they used to be
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: big fans of Harry and Meghan and now they're not.
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: I don't think so. I don't think that Meghan would
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: use the words. Well, for one thing, I think there's
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: no way Harry was helping Meghan with a Zoom. No way.
• 51:52
  Speaker 3: No way.
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: He doesn't know how to do it. He doesn't need
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: to do it. She's got someone else to help her there. Secondly,
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: I don't think they would get frustrated with technology even
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: if it was them. Thirdly, I don't think she would say, oh,
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: did she have her feelings hurt? To me, that sounds
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: like someone that is definitely over 50 that would say
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: that about a younger person that they were spoke harsh
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: to like, Oh God, these, these Gen Zers get a
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: fucking backbone. Like, it doesn't seem like someone who's like
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: 35 or 40 would say that. Like someone has to
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: be a little bit older to say that. So I
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: don't think it's them. Other people think that it's Kelly
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: Ripa and her husband. I don't think it's them because
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: I don't think Kelly Ripa would brag about being on
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: some other guy's podcast. I think the person that would
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: do this is someone who It's kind of new to
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: doing podcasts and new to doing Zooms in which she
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: was like, you know, I've been on some other great
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: podcasts and they don't get frustrated with us like not
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: knowing how to do this. And then the husband like,
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: you know, barking at him. I thought that was really interesting.
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: And so anyway, it's exactly what I said on my
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: Extra Juicy Scoop Friday is that podcasts really are just
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: people talking about each other behind their back and then
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: you guys get to listen.
• 53:08
  Speaker 3: So.
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: So we don't know. I went down another path that
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: I will share on my Extra Juicy Friday stuff of
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: who I think it might be. I'm just glad to
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: say it was not me. But I was glad we
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: heard it because I'll be honest. I get frustrated sometimes,
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: especially with technology, and so does Peter. And I'm putting
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: it out there now because if it ever happens– And
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: you hear that we are not 100% pleasant delights 100%
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: of the time. And what I'm guessing in whoever these
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: people are is they're doing this Zoom. And with all
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: these different teams and all these technical things, which I
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: don't know why that took– why it's such an ordeal
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: to do this. Maybe there was a filter or something
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: that this older woman wanted that wasn't– so she wasn't
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: looking as cute. And she was asking her husband's help.
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: Maybe on their end, it was their fault. And already
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: it's now 12.15. It was supposed to start at 12.
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: The woman has another thing at 1. Can we even
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: do this? And so there might have been a little
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: shortness and frustration. But I think it's classy that they
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: didn't tell us, though, if I would like to know. Okay,
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: so if anybody knows for sure, can you please DM
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: me and I'll take it to the grave. Um, because yeah,
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: I'm just like very, I'm just curious about it, but
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: I'm like, well, I'm glad we listened to it because
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: I've gotten frustrated. I've been like, oh my God, why
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: did I even agree to do this thing? It's so
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: late now. This is annoying. And that is why I
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: rarely do Zooms because I like the person in person.
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: I like to really get to know them. If they're
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: running late, it's never a problem unless it's like a
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: half hour. And even then, I've had two people that
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: were like a half hour late. And I've told you
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: about them on my Extra Juicy Scoop episodes. And it
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: did piss me off. And at one point, I was like, Annie,
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: I'm kind of in such a bad mood now. I
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: feel really disrespected that they're this late. I don't even
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: want to do it. But then the other part of
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: me was like, your day's not ruined because of it. And,
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: you know, but I get how, when it's just a
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: zoom and you've got two other people to talk to
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: that are all on mics, you're like, fuck the, fuck
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: these assholes. We're just going to do our own show.
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: Fuck it. But I've, my mind is like, they drove here,
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: they got cute. All right. Shake it off. Like do it.
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: It's fine. But it's, I mean, it's hard just to
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: always be like a hundred percent pleasant. And, um, So
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: if you know, please let me know because I'm dying
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: to know. And I love things where they don't say
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: the name and we have to figure it out. I mean,
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: way more interesting than a blind item, you know, or
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: anything like that. So get ready for more shit like
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: this happening on podcasts, which I totally think will. Chris Evans,
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: you guys. Talked about it with Brandy and Julie that
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: he was single. He's the sexiest man alive. Well, this
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: chick was listening to Juicy Scoop, and she's like, hey, motherfuckers,
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: I'm the girlfriend, and had her mom do a press
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: release and get it out. He's been dating this girl,
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: Alba Batista, and it's serious, okay? And he's never been happier, okay?
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: That's the headline. So my friend, Krista, better not cross
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: the street. Chris Evans has a new love in his life.
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: He's been dating this Portuguese actress, Elba, for over a year,
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: and it's serious. They are in love, and Chris has
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: never been happier? Okay. Well, that's not what he said
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: in the People article. God damn it. Good for them.
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: Real Housewives of Salt Lake City. Heather and Whitney talked.
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: that they want to be bad weather again, but at
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: one point they just could not come to a conclusion
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: of the meaning of the mines, of why they're not
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: getting along. And I saw someone go, can someone just
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: explain why they're not getting along? This is what happened.
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: Whitney was talking about a rumor in which Lisa Barlow
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: was given blowjobs to get jazz tickets. And she brings
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: it up. to Lisa on camera to say, just so
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: you know, we talked about this on camera and I
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: want you to know it. And we talked and, and
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: we talked about it at actually at a jazz game
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: and she gets upset obviously. And she's like, and Heather
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: was there. And Heather says, I remember being at the
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: jazz game, but I never remember you guys talking about
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: Lisa Barlow and, giving blowjobs. And if I did, I
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: wouldn't want to participate in that conversation on air and
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: give it any other thoughts. This is awful. So it's again,
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: housewives talking about rumors. So you have that. On Potomac,
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: there was some juice that happened last night. So anyway,
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: they don't get along. They don't agree that they, whatever,
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: about this dumb rumor. The other storyline on Potomac is
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: Candace has a husband named Chris, and Giselle said, Chris
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: came into my room to talk during the reunion, and
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: it made me uncomfortable. And so nothing happened, but it
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: made me uncomfortable that I was alone in a room
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: with a closed door with Chris. Then the other girl, Ashley,
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: who is married and now divorcing this old Australian who
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: that was caught with a stripper last year, but also
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: there was rumors that he was with a guy in London.
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: and that also he grabbed a male cameraman's ass. So
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: he could be a little bi. She says she's bi.
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: She says she does three subs with her husband, Michael,
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: but doesn't want to anymore, so they're getting a divorce.
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: That's important to the story. Ashley says, I was at
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: the W, I went to some hotel, rooftop hotel, and
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: your husband, Chris, DM'd me and said, you should have
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: come to my bar or whatever the restaurant he runs.
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: And she thought that was a phishing for flirting on
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: a DM. Candace is like, my husband did that because
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: he's trying to work social media and get high profile
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: people at his restaurant. And he was like, Ashley, you
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: should have come here. So we could take a photo
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: and people would know that the Real Housewives of Potomac
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: come to my restaurant, not this one that you were at.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: They're like, all right. So Candace is really pissed. So
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: then she says, well, I know the guy who claims
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: has your husband as a client who has your husband
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: come over and suck his D. So she said that
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: last night. And then they're all– and then Karen, who's
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: a grand dame, is like, well, thank you for inviting
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: us to this wine luncheon. And then they all get
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: up and leave. And it's like– I don't even think
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: Ashley cares because she's like, there's been rumors that my
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: husband is bi and everything. I already told you I'm bi.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: We obviously mess around and swing and whatever the fuck.
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: So it wasn't even that shocking. But she's like, hey,
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: I've got the scoop. I know the sex worker who
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: apparently has your husband as a client. And I'm just like, wow,
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: these shows are just going. I mean, so much about
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: these shows are about people's husbands and marriages. And that's
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: why it's kind of interesting when nobody has a spouse.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: And if we see the legacy OGs, none of those
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: women but Jill Zarin is the only one that has
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: like boyfriend, who's Gary. The rest of them are all single.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: I want them to be able to have enough juice
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: and fun that they don't have to trash each other's
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: relationships and ruin relationships with the father of their kids
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: and stuff to make TV. I don't think it should
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: be that, but that's what it is. There you go, people.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: Leonardo DiCaprio celebrated his 48th birthday, but his girlfriend, Gigi Hadid,
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: was not there. I don't know why. Maybe she was working.
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: Maybe she was with her baby. The people that were there,
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: some of the people that were there were A-listers like
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: Toby McGuire, Bradley Cooper, Kate Hudson, Rami Malek, Ashton Kutcher,
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: Mick Jagger, Jamie Foxx, and LeBron James. Also, Adrian Brody,
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: Casey Affleck, and his girlfriend, Kaylee Cowan. Interesting. Stella Maxwell,
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: Nikki Hilton, Rebel Wilson, And her fiance, Ramona, not the Ramona,
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: but Ramona Agruma. Evan Ross, Diana Ross' son. Somner Ray. Wait,
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: Summer Ray. Sorry, Summer Ray. I was thinking it was
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: that Somner girl from, yeah, I don't know who Summer
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: Ray is. And some agent, Rich Paul. Anyway, there you go,
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: you guys. And his parents were there. That's nice. And
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: that's it. I don't know where Gigi Hadid was. Maybe
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: it's over. Maybe it's not. We'll see. Now, you guys,
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: I have a great interview with one of the stars
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: of the hot new show on Netflix, Buying Beverly Hills. Hello,
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: and welcome to Juicy Scoop. I have the second most
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: exciting Brandon in my life. It's Brandon Graves from the
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: hit show Buying Beverly Hills on Netflix, all about the
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: agency and Kyle's family, Kyle Richards' family, Mauricio. Farrah, Alexia,
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: and Brandon.
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: And welcome to Juicy Scoop.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 3: Thank you.
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: This is exciting.
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 3: I'm so excited to be here. I am a Juicy
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 3: Scooper since day one. I'm not just saying that because
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 3: I'm here. I totally am. I am so excited to
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 3: be here, honestly.
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: Well, first of all, as a realtor and a Juicy Scooper,
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: I want to give you double props because... You were aggressive.
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: You cold called Juicy Scoop and said, I'm a huge
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: Juicy Scooper. Can I come on the show? And we
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: were like, yes, this is great. You make our life
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: really easy when I don't have to beg and not
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: be answered back and all of that.
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 3: You got to go after it. You got to go
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 3: after what you want.
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: You got to go after this. So the show is
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: Buying Beverly Hills. There's eight episodes. And here's all of
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: you guys at a party, a premiere party.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 3: Yes, that was last week.
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: Yes. And so I am liking it. Now, there have
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: been a lot of shows about real estate, L.A. real estate.
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: And you know one thing that I really like about
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: watching it? It makes me fall in love with L.A. again.
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: And it makes me feel grateful for being from Los
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: Angeles and living in Los Angeles.
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 3: Why is that?
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: Just seeing that so many people want it and that
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: the world thinks it's cool. And I think sometimes when
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: you're here and we've gone through some tough years in
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: the city that you're like... Same thing when I was
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: watching the... What's the Empire one? The Netflix show, what's
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: that called?
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 3: Bling Empire?
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: Bling Empire. When I watched Bling Empire... And it was
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: like filmed before the pandemic and then it came out
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: and it made me go, oh my God, no, our
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: city is beautiful when you're on the top of like.
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 3: A $ 12 million house.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it really, really is stunning. And so, no, I
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: do like it for that. It's like the same way
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: I feel when I watch like Love is Blind. And
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: I'm like, I should be more grateful to be married.
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: Everybody wants to be married. Like, why am I, like, completed?
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 3: LA is still a magical place. I've been here for
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 3: 12 years. I love it. I love it.
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: Where did you grow up?
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 3: I'm from Phoenix, Arizona, originally.
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: Oh, okay. So we're going to get into real estate life.
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: But what was interesting when we got to know you
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: on the show is that you have this whole other
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: life before real estate. And you were a dancer? Yeah.
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 3: I moved here in 2010 to pursue professional dance. So
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 3: I did that for about nine years. And then I,
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 3: once that fizzled out, I turned like 32 and I'm like, okay,
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 3: what's the next chapter going to be?
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: But wait, I want to hear about that chapter. Yeah.
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: So what, like, did you dance as a kid or
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: did you take formal training?
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 3: Well, I grew up, um, I, I was kind of
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 3: like a self-taught dancer. I started doing classes and things
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 3: through a program in the city of Phoenix, which were
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 3: designed to keep children off the street. So I kind
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 3: of honed my skills there. And then I started teaching.
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 3: I used to teach a program called Dance Phoenix every
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 3: Saturday at like 10 a.m. with kids. After being out partying,
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 3: I would teach in sunglasses. I was like... I was hungover,
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 3: but I showed up. I was there. I taught dance
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 3: for years. And then after I started dancing for the
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 3: NBA and started making... The big cuts started beating out people.
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 3: I said, well, what can I do next? How can
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 3: I take this to the next level? So that's when
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 3: I came here in 2010.
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: And how was that? Did you ever go on tour?
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 1: What was those years like trying to make it in L.A.
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: in entertainment?
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 3: I mean, it was tough, but it was fun. I
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 3: didn't do the big tours. I didn't do any of that.
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 3: I booked some jobs. They were like small things.
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: You know how it goes in the industry.
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 3: You're just happy to get something. But I think I've
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 3: auditioned for everybody several times over.
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 3: Gotten pretty far, but I definitely enjoyed it. I mean,
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 3: at one point I was living in a house with
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 3: 15 people. I did the whole struggle LA experience. Don't
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 3: want to do it again, but I did it. And
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 3: I'm kind of happy that I did it.
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: And so you're like, okay, what's the second hardest industry
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: that I can also try to be in? Okay, let's
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: do real estate because there's just as many people trying
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: to make it in real estate as there is probably
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: in dance. So what made you decide to pursue that?
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 3: I've always had a passion for real estate. I remember
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 3: when I would go to the supermarket with my mom
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 3: and they would have those free real estate magazines on
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 3: the way out. I would grab a stack of those.
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 3: She didn't give a shit because they were free. So
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 3: I would take a stack of those. I would go
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 3: home and kind of envision and circle the house that
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 3: I would dream of buying and selling. So it was
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 3: always in me. It was just a matter of time.
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: Did you imagine yourself on a bus bench?
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 3: I did. And I haven't did that yet, but I
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 3: definitely want to. I've got to find the right corner.
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: So, you know, I come from a real estate background. And,
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: you know, once again, Mauricio, Kyle, they're not the first
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: to have a family business because here I am with
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 1: my parents. We were Bob, Pam, and Heather McDowell of
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: White House Properties, and they had a personalized license plate.
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 3: I love the license plate. Bob and Pam. Okay.
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: And I have to say, though, we realized later on
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 1: when we would, like, pitch a listing, we'd be parked
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: in front of the house. And then I was like,
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: wait a minute. And then someone would, I think other
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 1: realtors that were maybe door-to-door, would go, oh my God,
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: that house is... They're obviously seeing.
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 3: Poaching, yeah.
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they're obviously seeing them. So then let's go reach
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: out to them. So you never know where you might
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: get the lead, right?
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 3: You gotta watch your back for sure.
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: So, all right. So you take the test and then
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: how does... Like, how long were you doing real estate
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: before you got to the agency and then they said,
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: you know what? We're interviewing people to possibly be also
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 1: featured on this reality show. How did that all come about?
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 3: Okay, so I'll break it down for you. I tried
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 3: to make it too long.
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: No, can tell.
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 3: So, I guess I used to live in Woodland Hills
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 3: for eight years.
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 3: Right before the pandemic, I was working at Health Net,
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 3: which is right here on Canoga.
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 1: Health?
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 3: Health Net. Oh, okay. A health insurance company.
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 2: Oh, okay.
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 3: I've probably driven past it a million times.
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 1: Oh, so you were already doing a regular job.
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: I was. Okay, you were being professional.
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, when I was dancing, I was also working a
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 3: regular job, too. I had to pay the bills.
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah. When I was doing stand-up, I was doing real estate.
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you got to do what it takes, you know?
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 3: You got to pay the bills. So I was doing
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 3: that up until the pandemic hit. I was working at
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 3: Health Net right around the corner. Pandemic hits. I kind
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 3: of reevaluated my life. I'm like, okay, I've been away
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 3: from my family for about 13 years, wait, 10 years now,
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 3: not much is happening. Maybe this is a sign to
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 3: go home. So my lease happened to be up at
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 3: the time on my apartment. So I put all my
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 3: stuff in storage and I went home just to be
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 3: with my family, like during the pandemic. For some reason,
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 3: I left my belongings here because something told me to
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 3: come back, that I was coming back.
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: Well, also, how long did the pandemic really last in Phoenix?
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: Like a month?
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they definitely did their own thing. I remember when
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 3: I got back, I'm like, where are the masks? Like,
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 3: what the fuck is going on? Like, Nobody wore masks,
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 3: but that's a whole other thing. That scared the shit
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 3: out of me when I got there. So along the
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 3: way while I was working, I was like planting seeds,
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 3: trying to get into real estate on the high end side.
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 3: I already had my license.
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 1: Oh, you did?
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: So you got your license while you were doing your
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: other job, which is very smart to do. I tell
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 1: everybody that, which is great because you can keep that
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 1: regular job, take the classes at night. Whether, I mean,
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: you probably had to take them online, but I always
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: feel like it's easier if you can do it in person,
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: but whatever.
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 3: I was taking the classes in the evening in person,
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 3: which is best for me because I can't pay attention
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 3: if I'm just like online sitting at home and fucking
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 3: doing laundry and all that shit. So yeah, I was,
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 3: what was I saying?
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 1: So now you're in Phoenix.
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 3: So I had got an email about a job that
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 3: I'd applied for as an assistant, which is for Kevin.
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 3: So Kevin is actually Sonica's boyfriend on the show.
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 1: Oh, okay, the young guy. Wait, is he featured? I
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: don't think he's in the photo.
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 3: No, he's not.
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 1: He's kind of like a secondary.
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 1: He's like a friend of.
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's like.
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 1: So you're working there. And then when do you hear
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 1: the rumblings of this show might be happening?
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 3: After a year, I heard there was an email that
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 3: came out about this show. I guess they had tried
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 3: to do it several years before.
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 1: Oh, really? With Mauricio?
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's spoken about that.
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because I was like. I was thinking about it,
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 1: and I'm like, okay, there was always Million Dollar Listing,
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 1: which is on Bravo, and I know Josh Flagg, Josh Altman, Tracy.
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 3: David and James are with the agency, too.
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 1: They what?
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 3: David and James are with the agency, too. They were
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 3: on Million Dollar Listing.
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 1: But now they're not coming back to Million Dollar Listing.
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 3: That's what I heard, yeah.
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: So there's always been that, and then, of course, the
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 1: selling Sunset, which was a whole other animal, and then
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 1: OC Sunset. And so when this came out, I'm like, yeah,
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: at a certain point they must have been like, why
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 1: aren't we doing this? And I always wondered if maybe
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 1: because Kyle was on Beverly Hills and it was too much.
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: But I guess you said they tried to do it before.
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what I heard. It was like they tried
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 3: to do it maybe like six years ago and it
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 3: didn't work out for whatever reason. So when it came
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 3: to me, the email came. Like I said, I was
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 3: working for Kevin as his assistant. I didn't think it
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 3: was the right time for me. So I just kind
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 3: of put my head down and just kept doing my thing.
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 3: But I ended up getting a call from Jane, who's
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 3: Mauricio's assistant. And I used to be in the office
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 3: with her late at night. Just like we were the
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 3: last people there. It was pandemic. Nobody was in the office.
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 3: And she says, hey, we're doing this show. I think
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 3: you'd be great. I'm like, okay.
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: Why were you scared?
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 3: I mean, I've never.
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 1: No, but you were a performer though. So I would
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 1: think that would almost be perfect. Oh, okay.
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I didn't have to talk. It was
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 3: just like, I'm just back here doing my thing. I
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 3: didn't have to come to the forefront and be on camera.
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 3: I thought I would be okay, but I didn't think
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 3: it was necessarily my thing. So I had the one
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 3: call with the casting and here we are. It just
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 3: went so fast. I'm like, shit.
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 1: And like, so, okay. So they get on it and
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 1: they're like, okay. And now I saw like some pumpkins
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 1: and stuff. So was, was what we're seeing filmed about
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 1: a year ago? Yeah. Oh, okay.
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: That makes more sense.
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 3: So it all aligns.
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So it's been a whole year now.
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 3: And yeah.
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 1: Like, how has your life changed? Have you gotten recognized
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 1: at all? It's only been a weekend.
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 3: It's only been a week, but I was in West
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 3: Hollywood on Sunday, and the gays have seen the show.
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: Oh, the gays are loving it.
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 3: The gays are loving it. I'm like, okay, we're good.
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 3: We have a stamp of approval.
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: So, I'm going to assume you are gay.
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 3: No, I have a wife and kids.
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 1: Oh, okay.
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 3: Yes, I am gay, proudly, yes.
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 1: And when did you start living your life proudly and out? Always?
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 3: It's been 20 years now, yeah. Oh, okay. I was
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 3: just laying down the other day. I'm like, damn, it's
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 3: been 20 years.
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 1: So as a teenager?
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, 18.
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 2: Okay. Yeah.
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 1: And your family was great about it?
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 3: I mean, they're fine about it now. It's always a
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 3: point of contention and education. I mean, everybody has their
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 3: own beliefs, but I know that they love me. Yeah.
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 3: And I just kind of live my life and fuck it. Okay. Yeah.
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 1: So what, okay, so I wrote Kyle, I DM'd Kyle,
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: she's been on the show and we're friendly, and I
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 1: was like, okay, everyone, including myself, is freaking out because Alexia,
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 1: the younger daughter, acts and sounds and speaks exactly like you.
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 1: Way more than Farrah.
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 3: How did that happen?
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: And I go, I'm just curious, because with my older son, people,
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 1: one time, I posted it as that, a photo of
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 1: myself when I was 12 being a cheerleader and my
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 1: son was 12 at the time and I posted it
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 1: and my sorority sisters and friends were like, oh my God,
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 1: I thought it was Drake, my older son, in drag.
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 1: and so I think sometimes you don't see it as
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 1: the parent and especially having it be the opposite sex.
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 1: I remember when my son's mustache started to come in
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 1: and then I would be like, oh shit! And I'm like, oh,
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 1: it's not me. I thought I was like almost looking
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 1: at a mirror freaking out. It's very freaky when the
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 1: opposite sex looks just like you.
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 3: But, I think Alexa even has like a, she says like,
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 3: be honest on this show. I'm like, oh my God,
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 3: you sound like your mom. She's like, she's not being
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 3: honest with me.
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 1: I'm like, do you notice it? And she goes, yes, people,
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 1: you know, she said, but for a long time everyone
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 1: said that the girls all look like my husband, acted
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 1: like my husband, so this has been kind of fun
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 1: that people see the similarities. I'm like, the scratchy voice,
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 1: the hands, the whole, I mean, it.
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 3: Makes it really fun. The mannerisms, all of it, yeah.
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 3: When I first met her, I'm like, oh my God,
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 3: you are your mother. This is weird, yeah.
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 1: And, you know, a lot of people are like, why
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 1: aren't we seeing Kyle? And I don't know. And it's not,
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 1: you know, I don't know if it's contractual or if
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 1: it was a conscious thing where she was like, let's
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 1: not have me pull focus from this show. But I
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 1: really like it. I don't think, you know, I do
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 1: kind of miss her.
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah. She's cut it on Bravo. I think it's good
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 3: for the girls to get their chance to shine and
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 3: tell their stories.
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah. We just came off a big season of Beverly Hills.
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 3: I know you watched it. So, yeah, I think. I
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 3: think Kyle's probably relieved.
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 1: And I think it was kind of a smart way
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 1: to do it, just so that there wouldn't be stuff
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 1: written about her and her involvement. And like, let's just
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 1: see if this can get its own footing. And I
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 1: think that was really great. But I mean, I'll be honest.
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 1: When I first heard Buying Beverly, I'm like, another show.
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 3: I know, I saw.
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 1: Another show. And then my friend who got to see
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 1: the previews. said, no, Heather, it's really good because we
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 1: get to see them in their homes. But what my friend,
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 1: who is not a realtor, didn't say, and I said
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 1: this to Kyle, this is the most realistic real estate
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 1: show for many reasons. First of all, the dad and Alexia,
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 1: and that they are more of a champion of Alexia
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 1: than Farrah. That is a sibling dynamic that's extremely interesting
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 1: because Farrah always had really good grades, went to USC,
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 1: and has been doing this for like seven years. And
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 1: she's a different person than Alexia. And then Alexia... is like,
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 1: I didn't always get the greatest grades. The younger ones,
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 1: I guess, are really naturally kind of more scholastic. And
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 1: so when that happens as a parent of multiple kids,
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 1: you do what each child needs. And it's not always
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 1: completely equal. And so I think that is so interesting
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 1: to see. And then I love that there's an honesty
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 1: about the privilege of people walking into real estate. Cause
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 1: I'll be honest, I didn't ever had to knock on doors.
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 1: My parents were doing it.
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 3: A little nepotism.
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 1: My parents were doing it till I was seven, since
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 1: I was seven. And then the day I got my
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 1: license or right after my mom calls me and she goes, um,
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 1: you got to go down to target right now, go
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 1: down to target right now. And I go, why? And
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 1: she's like, just go down to target and get me
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 1: this and come. And I go, all right. So I
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 1: go to target, I come down. And as I'm crossing Ventura,
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 1: which is right here, they had gotten me my bus bench.
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 3: On the corner of the photo?
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they got me the bus bench. That was like
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 1: my present.
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 3: You arrived.
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 1: That was my present. Heather MacDonald welcomes you to Woodland Hills.
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 3: Do you still have a picture of it or anything?
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 1: It's somewhere. Yes, definitely. And I was a little bit like, okay,
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 1: but you guys know I'm just doing this until I
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 1: become a huge sitcom star. But yes, of course.
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 1: They had established themselves, so we would just go out
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 1: on listing appointments, not get them all. But I don't
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 1: think people realize how hard it is just to get
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 1: someone to say, I even want to meet with you
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 1: to possibly represent me.
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 3: It's so hard. You're starting from ground zero. You have
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 3: to build all your clientele. Even though I've been here
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 3: for 10 years, I don't know anybody who can afford
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 3: the kind of houses that we sell. I've found ways
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 3: to meet people, but you definitely have to do it
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 3: all on your own. I wish it was being served
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 3: to me on a platter, but that's just not what
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 3: it is.
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 1: And I appreciate it. kind of appreciate that, you know, like,
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 1: obviously it works out with Alexia, but then the other guy,
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 1: what's this other young guy?
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 3: Joey.
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Joey. So for you guys, Joey is this charming guy,
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 1: born and raised in Brentwood, Beverly Hills. Yes. And he's like,
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 1: I hope I can get this listing of my aunt.
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 3: Aunt's house in the flat is going to be sold
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 3: for $ 7 million. I'm like, what the fuck? Like, how?
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 3: Where's my aunt?
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 1: And then it's like, wow, this is so stressful because
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know if this is going
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 1: to work. And I'm like, you have 27 offers. If
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 1: one fails, you have 26.
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 3: Like, of all the....
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 1: Low, high risk. This was not a difficult situation. It's
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 1: a teardown. It's your aunt.
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 1: And you had 27 offers.
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 3: Serve it. It's ready to go. Yeah.
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 1: I don't think it was a stressful situation, but I
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 1: love that the other guy that didn't come from a
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 1: real estate background, this one, the one in the flower jacket.
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 3: Oh, Ben. Ben Ballack. Yeah.
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 1: He kind of calls them out on it. And, um,
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 1: so I, I love that there's all that. And then
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 1: we have you and you go and eat with the
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 1: younger guy who seems very nice.
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 1: And you're like, I did door knock, but if I
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 1: door knock, I have to be like in a suit
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 1: and all this other stuff because they're like, who's coming
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 1: to my door, you know? Um, And I thought, I
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 1: love that you brought that up too, because that is
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 1: so true.
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 3: It's a legit fear of mine. I've only done door
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 3: knocking once because of those reasons and everything happening in
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 3: the world. Like, I don't know how people are going
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 3: to perceive me. I have to be conscious of having
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 3: a woman with me just to balance out the equation
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 3: to make people less nervous. That's so legit fear of mine.
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 1: People think you're Jehovah's Witnesses.
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 3: It depends on how dressed up I am. Like, if
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 3: I'm dressed up, yes, that's why I make sure that
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 3: I may have maybe, like, a polo or something.
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, to keep it casual. I think it's a lot
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 3: more inviting that way. Right. But, yeah.
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 1: But I, you know, yeah, versus, like, you know, two
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 1: girls in, you know, high heels and tiny outfits. Yeah.
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 1: That's one look. Then, you know, and I, but I
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 1: think it's great, and I think it's great that you
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 1: brought that up because that is hard, and it is
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 1: such a way to, to get business, especially when you're starting.
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 1: Because there are people that are like, I, you know, yeah,
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 1: I love the person that I see that comes by and, oh,
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 1: I know that Brandon. Now he's come by five times
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 1: in the last six months.
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 3: He's nice. He's charismatic. He knows his stuff. I want
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 3: to do business with him. That's what I want.
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 1: So I think, but I like that that was like
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 1: made aware because I don't think, you know, when people
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 1: think about that aspect of you have this crutch ahead
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 1: of you versus someone that's not a man of color,
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 1: you know? And so I thought that was really great.
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 3: I appreciate it. Got to keep it 100. If I'm
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 3: going to do this, I have to keep it authentic.
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 3: This is my story. This is what I deal with
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 3: every day.
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 1: Right. And it's not boo-hoo. It's just like.
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 3: It's the reality.
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I've, I, I got to find these clients probably
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 1: another way besides knocking on the door. I got to
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 1: like go to the parties, hold the open houses where
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 1: the people walk in.
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 3: Where they come to me.
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And follow up. million times exactly rejected oh the
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 1: other thing that one guy said that was your former
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 1: that you were the assistant for and he goes I
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 1: have a five-minute funeral I've never heard.
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 3: That yeah we use that term a lot I think.
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 1: That is really good where you get the rejection I
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 1: mean you gotta.
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 3: Let it go you gotta let it go you gotta
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 3: go on to the next thing otherwise it'll ruin your
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 3: day to ruin your week you just have to let
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 3: it die in five minutes and on to the next.
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 1: Okay so some of the stuff the juicy stuff that
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 1: happened was we already know in real life that Farrah
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 1: does get engaged.
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 1: So that's nice.
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 3: To Alex. We love Alex.
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 1: Oh, and then this girl, everyone's talking about this girl
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 1: in the orange.
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 3: Allie.
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 1: So she used to be on The Hills?
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 3: That's what I'm hearing. I've been seeing that on Twitter.
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 3: I'm like, Allie was on The Hills? I need to
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 3: call her and ask her. I haven't seen the episode.
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought that was kind of funny because I'm like, well,
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 1: you know, that does work out. Like, I mean, if
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 1: I was trying out for And I was in the
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 1: real estate office, and I'd be like, by the way, guys,
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 1: I know how to be on a reality show. Like,
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 1: this is all good.
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 3: Allie's also been in the industry for years, too, so
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 3: she didn't just come out of nowhere. She's been coming
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 3: in for a while, too. She primarily works on the
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 3: West Side, though.
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 1: Have they already talked about a next season? Can you
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 1: say that?
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 3: Not yet. We haven't heard anything just yet. So hopefully
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 3: they help us back for more. I think the reception's
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 3: been pretty good, which we're very happy about. You never know.
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 1: It was trending yesterday.
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we're number five right now in the U.S., which
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 3: is great. We've only been out since Friday, so that's awesome.
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 3: I hope it keeps coming up.
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 1: Okay. So now tell everybody where they can find you to,
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 1: if they are looking for a home, like where, what
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 1: would you say you specialize in as far as like,
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 1: I know you're going to say everything, but like, is
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 1: there a more of a specific thing that you feel
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 1: like you really kill it?
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 3: I think the bulk of my clientele is first time
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 3: home buyers. I'm really good with walking them through the
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 3: process and it's not that hard and it's not that complex. Yeah.
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 3: I think I have a way of making it fun
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 3: and kind of like making it relatable and making it
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 3: a fun process. So I'm really good with first time
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 3: home buyers, but I specialize in a little bit of everything.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. That's great. I love that. And what's your Instagram
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  Speaker 3: My Instagram is Brandon Graves underscore. And so is my
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  Speaker 1: And you can do any part of the Valley, LA.
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: That's also a great thing that back in the day,
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  Speaker 1: Okay cool well thank you Brandon you're the best thank
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