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Bonus Episode: Madonna, The Rolling Stones, and a Critical Double Standard · DISGRACELAND

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  Speaker 1: Hey, Discos, need a little more disgrace Land in your life,
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  Speaker 1: just to touch to get you through. Yeah, me too.
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  Speaker 1: This is the podcast that comes after the podcast. Welcome
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  Speaker 1: to Disgraceland, the after Party. Welcome to the Disgraceland bonus episode,
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  Speaker 1: a little thing we like to call the after party.
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  Speaker 1: This is the show after the show, the party after
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  Speaker 1: the party, the bridge to get you from one full
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  Speaker 1: episode of Disgraceland to the other, the backyard to dig
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  Speaker 1: into the dirt. On this bonus episode, we are talking
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  Speaker 1: about this week's subject of the Disgrace Sland full episode,
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  Speaker 1: Lana del Rey. We're also talking about rock critics and
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  Speaker 1: female artists call a rock from the nineteen eighties, and
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  Speaker 1: of course we're diving into your voicemails, texts and more,
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  Speaker 1: and as always, a whole lot of rosie. All right, Discos,
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  Speaker 1: let's get into it. I made it through the wilderness, somehow,
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  Speaker 1: I made it through. Didn't know how lost I was
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  Speaker 1: until I found you. I was beat incomplete, I've been had.
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  Speaker 1: I was sad and blue, but you made me feel Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you made me feel shiny and new, like a virgin.
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  Speaker 1: When I'm watching my TV and a man comes on
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  Speaker 1: and tells me how white my shirts can be, but
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  Speaker 1: he can't be a man because he doesn't smoke the
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  Speaker 1: same cigarettes as me. I can't get no oh no, no, no, hey, hey,
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  Speaker 1: that's what I say. I can't get no satisfaction. Those are,
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  Speaker 1: of course, the lyrics to Madonna's Like a Virgin and
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  Speaker 1: released on November twelfth, nineteen eighty four, and the Rolling
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  Speaker 1: Stones I Can't Get No Satisfaction, released nineteen years earlier
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  Speaker 1: in nineteen sixty five. In the early to mid sixties
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  Speaker 1: and throughout their career, really the Rolling Stones had their
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  Speaker 1: fair share of detractors, of course, but by the early
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  Speaker 1: to mid eighties the rock press had mostly coalesced behind
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  Speaker 1: the well. They were kind of aging rock stars by
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  Speaker 1: that point, and the press were mostly concerned not with
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  Speaker 1: The Stones' music, which in nineteen eighty four was mostly
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  Speaker 1: spectacularly bad, with very few exceptions. Critics were more concerned
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  Speaker 1: at the time with the bickering between Mick Jagger and
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  Speaker 1: Keith Richards. In nineteen eighty four, Like a Virgin was
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  Speaker 1: the lead single off of the album of the same
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  Speaker 1: name by Madonna. Was Madonna's second album, the follow up
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  Speaker 1: to her self titled album from the year prior, an
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  Speaker 1: album that sold five million copies Like a Virgin would
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  Speaker 1: go on to double that and then some It was
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  Speaker 1: a smash right out of the gate. But back to
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  Speaker 1: the lyrics of like a Virgin and satisfaction touched for
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  Speaker 1: the very first time, Like a Virgin, when your heart
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  Speaker 1: beats next to mine, and I'm trying to make some
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  Speaker 1: girl who tells me baby better come back maybe next
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  Speaker 1: week because you see, I'm on a losing streak. At
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  Speaker 1: face value, those two sets of lyrics, if you're objectifying
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  Speaker 1: them completely, if you're separating them from their musical accompaniment,
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  Speaker 1: from the cultural significance, from their historical context, from everything,
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  Speaker 1: if you're just looking at the words, if you're just
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  Speaker 1: considering the poetry of those words, if you're just looking
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  Speaker 1: at the lyrics on a piece of paper, those two
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  Speaker 1: sets of lyrics do not appear to be that different
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  Speaker 1: from one another. Sure, we can't really do that. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: we have all that context and knowledge to fuck up
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  Speaker 1: this experiment. But imagine for a minute that you're an
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  Speaker 1: alien and you just landed in Cleveland, Ohio, and walked
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  Speaker 1: into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and emerged
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  Speaker 1: with these two sets of lyrics on two separate pieces
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  Speaker 1: of paper. You aren't going to be judging these lyrics
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  Speaker 1: all that differently. It's just pop music. One lyric talks
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  Speaker 1: about being a virgin. The other talks about being frustrated
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  Speaker 1: because you can't sleep with a woman who's on her
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  Speaker 1: period or whatever. They're different, sure, but they're a lot alike.
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  Speaker 1: They're risque, but they're kind of tongue in cheek at
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  Speaker 1: the same time. Okay, they're knowing they're immature pop music.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know how else to say it. Yet. Madonna's
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  Speaker 1: lyrics were critically savaged, as was her singing. Most of
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  Speaker 1: the critical claim that Like a Virgin did receive back
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  Speaker 1: in the day was heaped upon the song of the
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  Speaker 1: album's male producer, Now Rogers of Chic. Not that he
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  Speaker 1: didn't deserve praise. He did, but the vibe of the
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  Speaker 1: criticism back then, when we look back at it now,
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  Speaker 1: it sure looks like, Yeah, Madonna just a dumb pop
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  Speaker 1: sex symbol chick who got lucky with some major pop
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  Speaker 1: hit action provided by the adult in the room or
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  Speaker 1: the man in the room. Now Rogers the simplicity an
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  Speaker 1: overt sexuality of Like a Virgin that Madonna gets criticized
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  Speaker 1: for those are the same qualities we've been celebrating about
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  Speaker 1: Mick Jagger for years. The two pop stars are a
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  Speaker 1: generation apart, but I don't think they're all that different,
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  Speaker 1: and I don't think the aliens are going to think
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  Speaker 1: so either. But the critics, the critics almost always get
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  Speaker 1: it wrong in my estimation, especially when it comes to
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  Speaker 1: women in rock and roll and in pop music. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: the Go Goos wrote and recorded some of the greatest
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  Speaker 1: pop songs of the nineteen eighties. You had a large
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  Speaker 1: portion of the reviews about the band from the time
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  Speaker 1: boiled down to the fact that, yeah, they're pretty good.
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  Speaker 1: They're pretty good band for a bunch of chicks, you know.
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  Speaker 1: Poison Ivy of the Cramps. Okay, she should. Guitar players
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  Speaker 1: should be on any self respecting music critics list of
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  Speaker 1: influential guitar players of all time, Yet seldom is Meg White.
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  Speaker 1: Jack White's enigmatic sister slash wife was regarded with a
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  Speaker 1: wink and a nod as basically being lucky to have
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  Speaker 1: fumbled into the gig alongside her talented brother slash husband,
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  Speaker 1: or whatever role Jack White played. But take Meg White's
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  Speaker 1: wild and yes, sometimes inconsistent drumming out of the White Stripes,
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  Speaker 1: and what do you do? Replace her with someone like
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  Speaker 1: Taylor Hawkins or someone that that's a better band to you? Okay,
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  Speaker 1: not that Taylor Hawkins isn't a great drum wasn't a
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  Speaker 1: great drummer. He was, of course, But the Foo Fighters
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  Speaker 1: are their own thing, and the White Strips are their
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  Speaker 1: own thing. And Meg White contributed to what the White
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  Speaker 1: Strips ended up being, to that charm, same thing with
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  Speaker 1: Poison ivy. The Crabs are a singular band in rock
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  Speaker 1: and roll. You know how hard that is to do,
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  Speaker 1: to be a singular band in the history of rock
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  Speaker 1: and roll. The Crams applied so much of their own authenticity,
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  Speaker 1: mainly at the maniacal direction creative direction of Poison Ivy.
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  Speaker 1: They were so authentic to adhering to their own strict
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  Speaker 1: definition of what glorious rock and roll music was that
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  Speaker 1: they invented an entire subgenre by accident in the process
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  Speaker 1: of doing so, psychobilly, and that's Poison ivy. The Go
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  Speaker 1: Gos are in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.
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  Speaker 1: Put we get the beat on and tell me you're
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  Speaker 1: not in a nineteen eighties mall their influence, the Go
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  Speaker 1: Go's influence on American culture. It has singed all of
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  Speaker 1: us of a certain age. And Madonna, Madonna's one of
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  Speaker 1: the greatest to ever do it ever, and the critical
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  Speaker 1: treatment of hers kind of ridiculous. Oh, her lyrics are juvenile.
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  Speaker 1: I get it, I get it. I can't get no satisfaction. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: what's that? Socrates Plato? And Madonna isn't a great singer.
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  Speaker 1: Joe Strummer wasn't a great singer, Okay. Madonna like Joe Strummer,
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  Speaker 1: like the Go Gos, like Poison Ivy, like Meg White,
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  Speaker 1: like Mick Jagger, was pure expression, like Lana del Rey,
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  Speaker 1: another woman who has, in my opinion, been unfairly treated
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  Speaker 1: by the critics, but for different reasons, as you can
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  Speaker 1: hear about in this week's full episode that we just released.
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  Speaker 1: I don't like railing at music critics. They're easy targets,
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  Speaker 1: especially ones from previous generations. You know, are there even
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  Speaker 1: modern day music critics. I don't know. There certainly isn't
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  Speaker 1: any music criticism anymore, not like there was in the seventies, eighties,
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  Speaker 1: and nineties, and even the early odds. Music critics have
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  Speaker 1: universally almost zero cultural significance these days, So it feels
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  Speaker 1: like I'm ranting and battling against an opponent who's already lost,
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  Speaker 1: already lost the war. The issue of why music critics
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  Speaker 1: no longer have any significance is a fascinating one, but
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  Speaker 1: that's for another time. The issue of why women Lana
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  Speaker 1: del Rey in particular have been held to different standards
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  Speaker 1: is today's topic, one that we're going to get into
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  Speaker 1: with your voicemails, text and dms in just a moment.
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  Speaker 1: But I want to talk briefly about next week's episode. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: next week. It's it's a special week, guys. Okay, My
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  Speaker 1: family and I we look forward to this every summer.
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  Speaker 1: I mean my whole family, right, my mom and dad,
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  Speaker 1: and my sisters and my brothers in law, and then
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  Speaker 1: you know, my mother in law, my father in law,
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  Speaker 1: my other brother in law, my other sister in law.
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  Speaker 1: And if you're like us, if you're an American family,
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  Speaker 1: you are probably feeling the same way we are right
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  Speaker 1: now in anticipation of next week. It is a big week.
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  Speaker 1: It is the start of the twenty twenty four to
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  Speaker 1: twenty five football season. Okay, now, now, I hold up,
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  Speaker 1: hold up, But before any of you hear the topic
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  Speaker 1: of sports leave my lips and start to get disinterested,
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  Speaker 1: I want to tell you we have a very special
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  Speaker 1: episode coming up next week, and it's it's a true
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  Speaker 1: disgrace Land episode. Even though it is not about music,
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  Speaker 1: it is not about entertainers. It is about the criminal
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  Speaker 1: origins of the National Football League. And it is not
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  Speaker 1: an episode that you were going to want to miss
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  Speaker 1: this episode, even though, like I said, there are no musicians,
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  Speaker 1: there are no Hollywood stars, It is pure Disgraceland. Actually,
• 9:29
  Speaker 1: Robert de Niro and Joe Peshi briefly show up in
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  Speaker 1: this episode, but regardless, this episode is dark, twisted and
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  Speaker 1: filled with true crime and filled with history that I
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  Speaker 1: frankly did not know existed up and until I started
• 9:42
  Speaker 1: researching this a couple months ago, and it blew me
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  Speaker 1: away to learn about the criminality advice that the NFL
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  Speaker 1: spawned from criminality, has led to open corruption, led to murder,
• 9:52
  Speaker 1: even the likely murder of an NFL owner in nineteen
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  Speaker 1: seventy nine. So not like ancient history, guys. So as
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  Speaker 1: we're all g getting our fantasy teams together, as we're
• 10:02
  Speaker 1: all getting our bets in with fan duel or you
• 10:05
  Speaker 1: know whatever. You guys still use a bookie whatever. As
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  Speaker 1: we're getting all this together, we're getting psyched. We're gonna
• 10:10
  Speaker 1: be getting the meals together for Sunday, for Monday, for Thursday.
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  Speaker 1: It's all happening. We're all settling into the fall, as
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  Speaker 1: we move from the summer into the football season and
• 10:19
  Speaker 1: football starts to unite us all together. I'm going to
• 10:23
  Speaker 1: show up and I'm going to tell you all about
• 10:25
  Speaker 1: the bad, bad, bad shit that was part of the
• 10:27
  Speaker 1: NFL back in the day. And it is bad. Okay,
• 10:31
  Speaker 1: we all know about the recent NFL crimes OJ Simpson,
• 10:34
  Speaker 1: Mike Vick, Aaron Hernandez, so we shouldn't be surprised based
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  Speaker 1: on how the NFL was founded and based on who
• 10:40
  Speaker 1: the people were who founded the league and what they're
• 10:41
  Speaker 1: up to and who they're hanging around with and what
• 10:43
  Speaker 1: happened because of all that. But I got to tell you,
• 10:44
  Speaker 1: I was super surprised. I'm excited for you guys to
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  Speaker 1: hear the horrors that we detail in this upcoming NFL episode.
• 10:51
  Speaker 1: And as you're listening, I want to try to think
• 10:52
  Speaker 1: about which athlete it could be football, but it can
• 10:55
  Speaker 1: be really any sport at all. Which athlete because this
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  Speaker 1: is fascinating to me. Messed with this a little bit
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  Speaker 1: in the past, but I really really haven't gone into
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  Speaker 1: it as fully as I think we can. Which athlete
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  Speaker 1: has behaved in the most despicable ways possible? And why? Now,
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  Speaker 1: this is a long list. Okay, some of you might
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  Speaker 1: remember when we did when we did the sports Land series,
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  Speaker 1: we get into some of these topics, but a lot
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  Speaker 1: of you haven't heard any of that. And you know
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  Speaker 1: this this list, like I said, it is long and fascinating,
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  Speaker 1: and particularly when we think about how these athletes rub
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  Speaker 1: up against pop culture. Okay, very interesting to consider. I
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  Speaker 1: want to know, from your perspectives, which athletes have behaved
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  Speaker 1: in the most disgraceful ways. Okay, we can discuss them,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm kind of, as you can probably tell already,
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  Speaker 1: low key considering. You know who I might do for
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  Speaker 1: potential episodes going forward. So as you're listening to the
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  Speaker 1: NFL episode, I want to be thinking about that. Let
• 11:51
  Speaker 1: me know after you listen to the NFL episode. Remember,
• 11:54
  Speaker 1: you might not have been into you might not be
• 11:56
  Speaker 1: Lona Delray fans, but you still love this Lona Delray episode.
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  Speaker 1: We just released. I know you did, so. You might
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  Speaker 1: not be football fans or sports fans at all, but
• 12:03
  Speaker 1: you're gonna love this NFL episode, Okay, I promise, because
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  Speaker 1: Six one seven nine oh six six six three eight.
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  Speaker 1: with your answers to last week's question one second so
• 12:42
  Speaker 1: to one of the questions uh last week that spawned
• 12:45
  Speaker 1: out of the Lana del Rey episode on which female
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  Speaker 1: artists were unfairly treated by the critics. We've got a
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  Speaker 1: ton of response on social Instagram and Facebook, mainly at
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  Speaker 1: disgrace Lamp pod on those platforms, Jones x fifteen writes
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  Speaker 1: Janet Jackson with the Super Bowl, how come JT didn't
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  Speaker 1: get CRAPPEDO this is a great answer, Jones x fifteen.
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  Speaker 1: I remember the Super Bowl two thousand and three New
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  Speaker 1: England Patriots Carolina Panthers. Janet Jackson's nipple crazy. It's hard
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  Speaker 1: to imagine the uproar that came from this stupid incident afterward,
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  Speaker 1: and yeah, this might be this might be an interesting
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  Speaker 1: topic to get into. I know that's Jones x fifteen
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  Speaker 1: wasn't suggesting that, but that's where my head is going. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: crazy to think that that was so long ago, that
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  Speaker 1: was more than twenty years ago. Corey Nation seventy four
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  Speaker 1: writes earth a Kit after her comments to Lady Bird
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  Speaker 1: Johnson regarding Vietnam at the White House, paid the price
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  Speaker 1: with her career for a rather innocuous statement. I don't
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  Speaker 1: know what the hell this is in reference to, but
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  Speaker 1: I am very intrigued earth a Kit. The singer sounds
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  Speaker 1: like she made some i'm guessing anti war comments to
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  Speaker 1: Lyndon Johnson's wife at the White House, and I'm not
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  Speaker 1: sure how that would have affected her career. Like I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I get, I get the implication that the president's wife
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  Speaker 1: got pissed off and somehow pushed some buttons. But that
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  Speaker 1: seems like a reach, a reach even for late sixties culture.
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  Speaker 1: I want to know what the statement was. Corey Nation
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  Speaker 1: seventy four, hit us back and let us know. Todd Redfern,
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  Speaker 1: also on Instagram, writes Meg White, lots of ridiculous rumors
• 14:27
  Speaker 1: everywhere Yes, you're right, Todd Redfern. See my earlier comments
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  Speaker 1: on Meg White above. Came Meal writes, Britney Spears and
• 14:37
  Speaker 1: Amy Winehouse. Yes, Britney Spears and Amy whineous. I feel
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  Speaker 1: like I feel like Britney for sure, But I watched
• 14:44
  Speaker 1: that documentary and I feel like we didn't get the
• 14:46
  Speaker 1: whole story. I have late breaking opinions. Even though we've
• 14:50
  Speaker 1: released two episodes on Britney Spears, My thoughts on this
• 14:54
  Speaker 1: are evolving. Amy Winehouse for sure, object obsessed, wrote Machine Kelly.
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  Speaker 1: That's pretty funny. Over on Facebook, Nina Cantonese writes, Amy Whitehouse,
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  Speaker 1: they built her up and then tore at her during
• 15:08
  Speaker 1: her struggle with addiction. I can't argue with that. That's
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  Speaker 1: a big part of our Ammy Winehouse episode there. Nina cantonise,
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  Speaker 1: Amy Winehouse comes up almost every week with you guys
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  Speaker 1: in some sort of commentary. I know we've been talking
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  Speaker 1: a lot about female artists lately, but even beyond that,
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  Speaker 1: I feel like just you guys are huge Amy Winehouse fans.
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  Speaker 1: Someone was asking about doing an Amy Winehouse t shirt.
• 15:29
  Speaker 1: The Disgraceland Obvious Bivik illustration that we did for the
• 15:32
  Speaker 1: Disgraceland episode and we were working on that, but then
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  Speaker 1: our storg got completely taken down from our our host platform.
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: There's a new Storm store that we were building. We
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: still have the old store up, but it does not
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: have that Amy Winehouse t shirt on it that I
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: was putting together. But don't have no fear. We are working.
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: We are endeavoring behind the scenes here to come up
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  Speaker 1: with some more merch options for you, even if we
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  Speaker 1: don't have that Emy wine House wine. All right. Anyways,
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  Speaker 1: A lot, a lot, a lot of negativity guys on
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  Speaker 1: Instagram and Facebook around the subject of which female artists
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  Speaker 1: have been maligned by the press unfairly. A lot of
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: negative comments from you guys about Yoko Ono. Okay, Now,
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  Speaker 1: as someone who's made his own I don't want to
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  Speaker 1: say they were definitely negative comments about Yoko Ono, but
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: they were more snide and more snarky than they were
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  Speaker 1: negative about Yoko. I feel like I need to talk
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  Speaker 1: about this with a little more depth here than I
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  Speaker 1: can do in the comments section on Instagram and Facebook,
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  Speaker 1: in part because it is occurring to me now that
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: perhaps there could be a Yoko Ono episode of Disgraceland
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  Speaker 1: that could really prove to be divisive. That's not always
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  Speaker 1: a bad thing. Here are my thoughts on Yoko and
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  Speaker 1: I've been very critical of her in the past for
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  Speaker 1: the same reasons that some of you guys have been
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  Speaker 1: in these comments. But I don't think Yoko Ona was
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  Speaker 1: without talent. I mean, we laugh at that footage of
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  Speaker 1: her and Chuck Berry. That's because it's hysterical, and there
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  Speaker 1: may be an extreme lack of talent in that clip,
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  Speaker 1: but there is not an extreme lack of entertainment in
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  Speaker 1: that clip. And Yoko Ono was a provocateur. She was
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  Speaker 1: part of her own She was part of her own
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  Speaker 1: art movement, and not her own. She was part of
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  Speaker 1: a art moment, a very significant art movement that was
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  Speaker 1: going on at the time. She was notorious in her
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  Speaker 1: own right before meeting John Lennon, and had acquired some
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: of her own fame to that point. Now, that is
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: not to say that she wasn't driven by John Lennon's
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  Speaker 1: fame in some ways and was not without her faults
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  Speaker 1: in their relationship. There is so much there to unpack,
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  Speaker 1: and there is so much there to criticize. But yogo
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  Speaker 1: Ono is a serious subject in the culture of rock
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  Speaker 1: and roll in the culture of art, just in twentieth
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  Speaker 1: century culture, and I don't think we can just dismiss
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  Speaker 1: her as being either manipulative or untalented. It's a lot
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  Speaker 1: more complicated than that, and that's what makes me think
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: they're perhaps maybe a Yoko o An episode here in
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  Speaker 1: the future sometime for you guys, regardless of how divisive
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  Speaker 1: that subject might be. Anyhow, if you are completely opposed
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  Speaker 1: to that idea six one seven nine h six six
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  Speaker 1: sixty three eight, leave me a voicemail, send me a text.
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  Speaker 1: I might take it under consideration. I might not, but
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  Speaker 1: I want to hear you beautiful voices on Here's the
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: second question we asked last week and last week's after party.
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: I went on a bit of a rand about how
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  Speaker 1: great the nineteen nineties were and how they were peak life.
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: I asked the question too, did you guys agree with me,
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: we're the nineteen nineties peak life. I listed all the
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: fantastic movies and records that were released just in the
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: year of nineteen ninety four. Pretty incredible. The nineties were
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  Speaker 1: peak life. Okay, you know where I stand on this.
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  Speaker 1: When we're talking about movies and music exclusively, I'm not
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: talking about you know, social commentary or any politics, any
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: of that crap. The eight one six texted in on
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  Speaker 1: this question. Eighties were a far better decade than the nineties.
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  Speaker 1: The eighties were recovery from seventies inflation, gas lines, socialistic
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  Speaker 1: government policies. Eighties eighties gave better music, better movies, MTV,
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  Speaker 1: better thriving economy, sports with Larry Bird Jordan and Magic Johnson,
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  Speaker 1: the eighty five Chicago Bears, forty nine Ers Dynasty, Wayne Gretzky,
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: John Candy, and Canadian humor. Canadian humor. The nineties wouldn't
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  Speaker 1: have existed if the eighties hadn't paved the way. Okay, okay,
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: eight one six. A lot to unpack here. First of all,
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: of course, the nineties wouldn't have existed if the eighties
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  Speaker 1: hadn't paved the way. You can say that about every
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: single decade. I do. I just came out at you
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: pretty harsh there, but I do I admire this take.
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: I think you're completely wrong. However, I do admire the
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  Speaker 1: balls of somebody to text in and say that the
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  Speaker 1: eighties of all decades, and you want to come back
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: with the sixties or the fifties or the odds. But
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: the eighties, even the seventies, I can't. I can't go
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: there with you. In the eighties, the eighties were a
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: recovery from seventies inflation. Who cares. We're talking about music
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  Speaker 1: and movies. Now you mentioned MTV. I will give you that. Okay.
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: MTV was a shock to the culture. Okay, But nineteen
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: nineties MTV is better than nineteen eighties MTV. And you know,
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: I'm right better thriving economy. Okay again, but we're talking
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: about music and records. You're talking about Larry Bird, Sports Jordan,
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: and Magic Johnson. Bird Johnson in the eighties hard to beat.
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: But you know what beats Bird Johnson in the eighties,
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: Michael Jordan in the nineties. And I say this as
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: a Boston Celtics fan. Okay, you say the eighty five
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: Chicago Bears, the forty nine Ers dynasty. Okay, I'll give
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: you that. Football wins in the eighties, eighties football definitely
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: better than the nineties football. Wayne Gretzky nick it's hockey man,
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: John Candy and Canadian humor. I'm not even I mean,
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: come on, come on, nineties Andrew Dice Clay, all that
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: great SNL that was going on in the nineties. Actually,
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: you know what, eighty stand up might have been better
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: than nineties stand up. That's a good question. Was eighty
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: stand up better than the nineties stand up? The nineties
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  Speaker 1: wouldn't have existed if the eighties hadn't paved the way.
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: You might be right on that last point. I know
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  Speaker 1: you're right, but overall, I can't go there with you.
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: I don't think you're there. But hey, I love I
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: love to take thank you prompted a good little conversation
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: there the eight to eight text in in regard to
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: ninety four versus twenty twenty four. One thing that's funny
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: to point out is that the Crow is in the
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: list of movies for both, though one is obviously superior.
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: To reinforce your view about the quality not being the same,
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: look over your list again. Ninety four are all at
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: the time original single standing films. Twenty twenty four are
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: mostly franchise slash reboots slash sequels, which is a fancy
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: way of saying they're retreads. Okay, good point. I can't
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: argue with any of that. You're making my point than
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: the nineties were better than the now when it comes
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: to film. Yeah, I didn't. I don't know that. I
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  Speaker 1: don't know that I caught that they were the retreads.
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: I think I'm just so used to it now. Did
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: I saw this morning the remaking La Bamba? And the
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: writer director came out and said, why why are you
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: remaking La Bamba? And I gotta admit why. It's a
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: good point. Why are they remaking La Bamba? Did they
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: not say something in the original that they want to say? Now?
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: Can we find no other stories? Come on the seven
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  Speaker 1: eight one? Hey, Jake, it's kel from the seven eight
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  Speaker 1: to one about the nineties being peak life and noticing
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: the drop off from ninety four to twenty twenty four. Yes,
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: I've been noticing the last ten to fifteen years. It
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: just isn't any movie that I get excited about going
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: to see, except maybe the Second Joker coming in October.
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: I thought the first one was phenomenal and the music.
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: I mean, come on, the nineties was absolutely peak life.
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: And I think that's as jen xers. We are so
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: lucky to have grown up in the time that we did.
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: It's a different time. I know that definitely makes me
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: sound old, but it's so true. I don't feel old either,
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: rock the fuck on, she says. By the way, you've
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: read my text on air before, that was fucking awesome.
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: I told my daughters there's a lot of swears. Here's
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: a lot of swears. Seven eighty one. I'm editing them out.
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: I told my daughter that we're basically best friends now,
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: she said, Ma, you're delusional. That may be true. Your
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: daughter is right, She signs it. Talk to you later, bestie.
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  Speaker 1: Seventy eight one. Thanks for the text, Keep them coming
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  Speaker 1: listen seventy one. I get a little tip for you there.
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: I've found these on Instagram. I love them. They're these
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: little AI produced videos there, nostalgia pieces, and they're they're
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  Speaker 1: just fantastic. They really drop you right in the middle
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  Speaker 1: of the nineteen ninety so if you want your gen
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: X fix, seek those out. Seven one six texts in Hey,
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: just getting to the Hillsboro episode. Goosebumps and tears while
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: you read all the names and ages. Great decision making
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  Speaker 1: with that choice, seven one six. Thank you very much.
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: I can't take credit for it. That wasn't my idea,
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: that said. I don't know whose idea it was. I
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: just know that it wasn't mine. But it was. It
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: was pretty effective in the production and that episode really
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: hit home for a lot of people. I appreciate that text.
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: You guys want to know what I'm talking about. It's
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: the Hillsboro episode on the Hillsborough disaster European football, European
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: soccer disaster that happened quite some time ago, a couple
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: of decades ago, and we really sat recently in the
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  Speaker 1: feed and it's got an incredible reaction, and yeah, I
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: like hearing it. All Right, let's check out this voicemail
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: from Chad way up in British Columbia. Hey, Jake, it
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: is Chad calling from Yarrow, British Columbia. I don't know
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: if you've given any thought to doing an episode on Randy.
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: Blich or just Straceland leaves here from Lamb of God,
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: but I just listened to a podcast that's kind of
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: It's an.
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: Interview that goes through like you.
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: Know, this whole life, childhood, the origins is Lamb of
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: God and his origins.
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: And the you know, actually a huge punk rock fan.
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: I think one of his favorite fans Rains, which I
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: think there's an episode in there too, but maybe on
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: like a different.
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: Level to Straceland be underground or something, but the story
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: of Randy.
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: Blay is pretty crazy how he ends up being pancrafts
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: prison in the Czech Republic and bog two.
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: Years after somebody died taken a header.
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  Speaker 2: Off the stage one of the shows.
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: It would probably be a really good episode.
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: Cool and I just saw them live and holy shit,
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: probably one of the best metal bands live I've ever seen.
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: So okay, take care, Okay, Chad, Lamb of God. Here's
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: the deal. I want to do this episode of Lamb
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: of God. People have been suggesting this from the beginning
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: of Disgraceland, but I got to tell you some of
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: it is a supreme bum out and I don't really
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: know how to treat this episode, but I am going
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: to do it at some time. You mentioned the Bad Brains.
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: I would love to do a Bad Brains episode as well.
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: I just showed my son, my oldest son, the Bad
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: Brains the CBGB set from I Believe It's New Year's
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  Speaker 1: nineteen eighty two. His mind was completely blown. I fucked
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  Speaker 1: up though I showed him Bad Brains before I showed
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  Speaker 1: him Nirvana. You know I should have eased into Bad Brains.
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: Shows you how much I think about this stuff. I don't.
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  Speaker 1: It was on a whim okay, popped up on YouTube.
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  Speaker 1: There it was. I hit play. All right, don't blame
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  Speaker 1: from Miles Fisher subject John Coltrane message. Hey man, absolutely
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  Speaker 1: love you show, but I must know when is the
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  Speaker 1: John Coltrade episode episodes coming? I know it will be killing. Also,
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  Speaker 1: a felonious Monk episode would be great. That was definitely
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  Speaker 1: a disgrace dying in a mental hospital and all. Thanks
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  Speaker 1: for your show, hey, Miles Fisher, Thank you. Here's my
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: thoughts on John Coltrane. Of all the music I listened
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: to in the course of my life, I have probably
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: listened to more John Coltrane than any other artist. I
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: listened to him, I believe daily still and have. Every
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: time I get a Spotify wrapped, it's John Coltrane at
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: the top of the list. But here's the thing. I
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: know very little about John Cole and I think I
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: do this on purpose to protect myself. I think I
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: don't want to know. I think I like the mystery.
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: I think I like that I have nothing to really
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: go on besides the records that I have, even though
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: I listen to them on Spotify, I still just listen
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: to the records that I have, the vinylague that will
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: be Blue Train, Giant Steps, Ballads, Love Supreme, the record
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: he did with Monk. Trying to think of what else
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: I have by Coltrain. I think that's about it. I
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: know more about Miles Davis because we did a Miles
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: Davis episode. We did two episodes on Miles Davis. There
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: are two of my favorite episodes. By the way, those
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: are available for you in the archive. Miles if you
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: want to check those out. Also got an episode on
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: Billie Holliday, who else from the jazz world? A couple
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: others that are escaping me right now. But Miles, I
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: didn't know if Thelni's Monk died in a mental hospital.
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: That is some sad shit. So maybe I'll do a
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: monk episode first, and maybe someday I will be inspired
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: to break the seal and do a cold train episode.
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: But I like the mystery. I don't want to give up. Okay,
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: all right, This email Mike Nutt. That's his name, Mike Nutt,
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: subject possible episode. Hey message, love your podcast, huge fan.
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  Speaker 1: I'm a slightly new listener within the last year. I've
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  Speaker 1: listened to a lot. I love them all. I love music,
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: I love singing. I have no professional background besides some
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: distant family that was in the opera. However, I feel
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: I have great instincts when it comes to music and voices,
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: and I can feel it in my soul. So there
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: are many recommendations in my mind. However, this is a
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: triple threat that could turn into a three part series.
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: It ties into three episodes, starting with the group Guy Look.
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: They were brief but awesome. They started the New Jack
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: Swing sound in the late nineteen eighties. These guys are
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: responsible for some of the greatest artists and albums of
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: the eighties and the nineties, at the likes of Michael
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: and Janet. There is so much more to say, but
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  Speaker 1: you will find out Number two bouncing off of that
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  Speaker 1: New Edition who Guy competed with got into a fight
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: with at a concert, but was also influenced by guys
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: New Jack Swing sound? So much more there with Bobby
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: Brown and how the band got screwed over by multiple
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  Speaker 1: labels and three boys to men whose name came from
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  Speaker 1: New Edition. The crazy stories of them are too with
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  Speaker 1: a bad member leaving and they're still continuing their legacy.
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: Would love to hear your feedback on these Have a
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  Speaker 1: great day. How have I never heard of Guy g
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  Speaker 1: u Y? How have I never heard of Guy being
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: at the start at the the the atoms splitting at
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: the big bang of New Jack Swing? How do I
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: not I've never heard this name before? That's why I
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: love you guys. You're turning me on to stuff. You
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: were keeping me curious when it comes to music, and
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: that is not easy to do. You probably know this,
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: Maybe you don't, Mike Nutt, but You probably know that
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: we did a Bobby Brown episode this year, came out
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: a couple episodes ago. That's in the archive. You can
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: check that out. In the meantime, I will consider this.
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna check out Guy. You know, I'm gonna do
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: have a listen to Guy first tonight when I'm picking
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: up cleaning my room, you know, getting ready to go
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: to bed. I clean before I go to bed. How
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: does that make any sense? I should clean earlier, right,
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: But I'm gonna put Guy on. And if it's you know,
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: if I'm into it, if I'm compelled, I'll get back
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: to you. Get back to me disgrace and pod at
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: gmail dot com. Just like Jamie Griffiths, I want to
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: do one more email here, trying to be better about
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: these emails. Jamie Griffiths rites in uh suggestions. Hank Williams three,
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: Queens of the Stone Age, the Bronx, Jesse Dayton, Mark Lanagan,
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: Tom Waits, Lemmy and Mike Ness. Okay, I'm going to
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: go in order here. Hank Williams three. I love this.
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: I love this. I love this, and I should do
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: Hank Williams two because I've already done Hank Williams one.
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: I should do Hank Wiams two. Then I should do
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: Hank Williams three. Queens of the Stone Age. Uh, that
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: one feels a little a little uh, it feels a
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: little too recent. I know you're probably talking about the
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: Nick era. I don't know what's there, but for your
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: own entertainment here, Jamie, you know Josh from Queens of
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: the Stone Age. He's plays a pretty significant role in
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: our Anthony Bourdain episode. I invite you to check that out.
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: The Bronx. What are we talking about with the Bronx?
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: What crimes are they? Are there any there at all?
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: Jesse Dayton, same question. I knew Jesse back in the day,
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: played with him before. Mark Lanagan, totally hear you there,
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: Tom Waits, that would be fantastic, don't I don't know
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: what's there for crime, but I know there is some
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: wild living and just sonically, I know we could do
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  Speaker 1: something really cool with it.
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: Let me.
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: We just released an all access episode of Motorhead, so
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: if you're a Patreon or Apple podcast subscriber you can
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  Speaker 1: hear that. Lemmy episode and Mike Ness Yeah love Social Distortion.
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  Speaker 1: That's a band I don't listen to enough band. I
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  Speaker 1: really like that. I don't listen to enough. I will.
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  Speaker 1: I will look into all of these that you've mentioned here,
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  Speaker 1: except the ones that I don't want to look into,
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: and those being the more recent ones Queens of the
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  Speaker 1: Stone Age in particular, and Jesse Dayton and let's get
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: back to me, Jamie, get back to me. Let me
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  Speaker 1: one episode of Disgraceland released on June twenty third, twenty twenty.
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  Speaker 1: Lana del Rey was born on June twenty first, nineteen
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