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Sharri | 12 August · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Good Evening Tonight on the show, former Prime Minister Scott
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Speaker 1: Morrison reveals his firm has had to leave Australia because
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Speaker 1: of the anti business climate. That exclusive interview coming up. Plus,
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Speaker 1: Jennifer Westercott gives her a response to being snubbed by
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Speaker 1: the Royal Commission her only interview on the show tonight,
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Speaker 1: and Japan's ambassador tells me the Albanesi government wrote to
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Speaker 1: them to explain the melon scandal. I'll bring you that
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Speaker 1: story shortly, but first, when Albanezi was campaigning to become
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Speaker 1: Prime minister in twenty twenty two, he kept hidden his
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Speaker 1: plans for a big Australia. He didn't tell voters he
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Speaker 1: was planning to massively increase migration. Yet under his government,
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Speaker 1: net overseas migration increased to five hundred and thirty eight
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Speaker 1: thousand people in twenty twenty two to twenty three, four
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Speaker 1: hundred twenty nine thousand the next year, and three hundred
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Speaker 1: and six thousand the year after that, and this shows
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Speaker 1: little signs of slowing despite repeated promises. Well, in my
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Speaker 1: exclusive interview with Morrison tonight, the former Prime Minister tells
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Speaker 1: me that albin Easy basically lost control of immigration.
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Speaker 2: It's careering along and has for the last few years
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Speaker 2: because they've just let it run loose, That's my observation,
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Speaker 2: and as a result, the net overseas migration figure has
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Speaker 2: hit a remarkable levels.
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Speaker 1: Well, there's an ideological reason behind Labour's push for a
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Speaker 1: big Australia, but another reason too. Population growth has become
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Speaker 1: a convenient way to make the Australian economy look stronger
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Speaker 1: than it really is. I mean, we've been in a
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Speaker 1: per capita recession for nine of the past sixteen quarters,
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Speaker 1: but we never fell into a technical recession thanks to migration.
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Speaker 1: As Matthew Crowanston writes in The Australian Today, increasing the
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Speaker 1: population is a cheap trick in an attempt to boost
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Speaker 1: lackluster economic growth, and the Reserve Bank has controversially put
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Speaker 1: that issue in flashing lights. Here's what RBA alluded to
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Speaker 1: in their statement yesterday. Relative to the May forecast, a
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Speaker 1: stronger population growth assumption has led to slightly higher GDP
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Speaker 1: growth over most of the forecast period, and a journalist
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Speaker 1: asked Michelle Bullock if she was concerned that immigration was
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Speaker 1: the only thing lifting economic growth.
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Speaker 3: Concerned that the only thing that boosted your GDP addition
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Speaker 3: to population.
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Speaker 4: Are we concerned, Yes, we're concerned.
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Speaker 5: Because the prauctic capacity of the economy is not growing.
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Speaker 1: This is the problem. The government is effectively importing population growth,
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Speaker 1: but it's not making Australians any bit any better off,
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Speaker 1: and instead it's been putting pressure on housing supply. And
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Speaker 1: then in response to this, the Albanezy government appears to
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Speaker 1: have deliberately caused a housing market crunch and shockingly, the
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Speaker 1: Prime Minister seems proud of this. I mean we heard
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Speaker 1: his response in question time yesterday, despite the fact that
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Speaker 1: we are going to see families, particularly young buyers, go
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Speaker 1: into negative equity and lose their homes. And today another
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Speaker 1: warning sign about this from CBA boss Matt Coleman. Despite
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Speaker 1: the CBA's obscene eleven billion dollar profit, the Commonwealth Bank,
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Speaker 1: which is the biggest home lender, said that mortgage applications
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Speaker 1: are down fifteen percent since the federal budget, yes since
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Speaker 1: the budget when the tax changes to netive gearing and
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Speaker 1: capital gains tax were announced, and investor mortgage applications are
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Speaker 1: down a massive twenty eight percent.
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Speaker 3: Affordability to interest rate rises. Of course, global uncertainty, including
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Speaker 3: the oil shop resulting from the Middle East. And yes,
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Speaker 3: the tax changes that are announced, I think it's understandable
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Speaker 3: that many people sort of took a step back from
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Speaker 3: the market.
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Speaker 1: It's a similar story at Westpac where home lending was
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Speaker 1: down twenty percent. Now the government just can't dismiss these
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Speaker 1: official results as coalition spin or political talking points. There
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Speaker 1: is before our eyes a devastating collapse in the property
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Speaker 1: market and the flow and effects will be far reaching.
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Speaker 1: But then there's also this, the stunning hypocrisy of the
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Speaker 1: fact that Anthony Albinizi has become a self made millionaire
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Speaker 1: by using the housing tax breaks that he's now removed
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Speaker 1: for younger Australians. And the Opposition asked him about this today.
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Speaker 6: Why is a Prime minister attacking millions of aspirational Australians
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Speaker 6: for trying to get ahead, just like he did yesterday?
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Speaker 7: As he will know from Hansard, I was quoting Scott Pape,
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Speaker 7: the bare foot investor in the Herald Sun. Now, if
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Speaker 7: the member wants to attack the Herald Sun running for
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Speaker 7: its covery job housing issues, then that is a matter
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Speaker 7: for him.
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Speaker 1: Not really an answer, of course, but that line of
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Speaker 1: attack from the Coalition will hurt the Prime Minister politically,
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Speaker 1: the average Australian is worse off, with higher power bills,
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Speaker 1: petrol prices, interest rates and inflation still rising, while the
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Speaker 1: Prime Minister has taken full advantage of every taxpayer funded
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Speaker 1: perk available to him over his thirty year parliamentary career
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Speaker 1: and now on a six hundred and twenty two thousand
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Speaker 1: dollars salary with a chauffeur and grand mansions. Quite frankly,
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Speaker 1: he's lost touch now. I have to say I am
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Speaker 1: genuinely sick of talking about melons, but I do want
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Speaker 1: to talk about the hypocrisy of female labor ministers, because
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Speaker 1: more and more labor women appear to be foregoing their
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Speaker 1: beloved cause of feminism to back in the Prime minister's
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Speaker 1: sexist joke. Today, Clara O'Neil was the latest to join
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Speaker 1: her colleagues in defending the seemingly indefensible.
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Speaker 8: The Liberals have absolutely lost the plot here.
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Speaker 6: Japan is a very important strategic and economic partner. It
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Speaker 6: was a very successful visit and I think the former
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Speaker 6: and best is wrong in his interpretation.
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Speaker 1: I know this Prime Minister, I work with him every day.
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Speaker 8: I know how he relates to women, he has enormous
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Speaker 8: respect for women.
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Speaker 1: Look, these very same women were outspoken when it came
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Speaker 1: to so called women's issues under former Prime Minister Scott
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Speaker 1: Morrison or Tony Abbott.
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Speaker 6: Can I tell you, mister Deputy Speaker, the tragedy for
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Speaker 6: Australian women today is if we started crying about the
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Speaker 6: women we know who have been raped and murdered and
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Speaker 6: sexually assaulted and sexually harassed, if we started crying for
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Speaker 6: the women that we know that this had happened to,
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Speaker 6: we would never stop.
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Speaker 1: Look, these are very important issues, but somehow that was
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Speaker 1: a tirade directed against Scott Morrison. It was hard to
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Speaker 1: understand that at the time, and harder now how he
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Speaker 1: could have possibly been personally responsible for any of that.
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Speaker 1: There are O'Neil in March twenty twenty one also spoke
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Speaker 1: about Australian women demanding change, again blaming the then Prime minister.
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Speaker 8: He's an Australian woman. All I want is for the
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Speaker 8: Prime Minister to show the leadership that's going to be
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Speaker 8: necessary to resolve some of these issues. Ultimately, I'm still
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Speaker 8: waiting for him to stand up and say I lead
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Speaker 8: an organization which has a deep cultural problem. And I'm
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Speaker 8: going to try to take responsibility for that and fix it.
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Speaker 1: But now when it comes to their own leader, of
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Speaker 1: course they're silent, and well, actually not silent, they're defending it,
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Speaker 1: even when his hand actions have clearly been interpreted by
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Speaker 1: many as mimicking breasts, and when there's a higher standard
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Speaker 1: of behavior expected of the Prime minister. There are no
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Speaker 1: women's groups coming out either, not even the group the
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Speaker 1: Mad Witches, which shows that this women's movement during the
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Speaker 1: Morrison era was driven by politics. I do find it
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Speaker 1: bizarre that Albanezi refuses to apologize or make any admission.
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Speaker 1: He seems to have an aversion to ever admitting he's wrong.
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Speaker 1: I mean, it's what the New South I was Premier
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Speaker 1: Chris Mins does so well. He just admits when he's
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Speaker 1: got it wrong and allows him to quickly move on
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Speaker 1: and the public like him even more. But instead of
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Speaker 1: just apologizing and moving on, Albanese's press team have been
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Speaker 1: working the corridors of the press gallery in Canberra. But
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Speaker 1: can you imagine what would happen if a male CEO,
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Speaker 1: Because that's exactly what our prime minister is. If a
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Speaker 1: male CEO made the same comments with the same lewd
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Speaker 1: hand gestures about a female CEO or a colleague, and
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Speaker 1: that would be viewed as intolerable in a work setting,
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Speaker 1: and that chief executive would be out of a job
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Speaker 1: even with an apology or quite rightly, the Coalition again
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Speaker 1: today demanded Albanzi apologize. They also called for an AFP
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Speaker 1: investigation into the leaking of a diplomatic memo sent by Japan.
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Speaker 1: Now that memo raised the podcast that Albanzi was on.
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Speaker 1: I was interested in how the Albanesi government responded to
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Speaker 1: that memo, whether they apologized directly or gave Japan a reassurance. Now,
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Speaker 1: the Japanese Ambassador, Kazero Suzuki told me today, we have
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Speaker 1: been informed by the Australian side that Prime Minister Albanesi
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Speaker 1: did not make the comments in the way that has
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Speaker 1: been reported. Now. This is very significant, and I'll tell
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Speaker 1: you why, because it suggests that Albanezi or the Department
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Speaker 1: of Prime Minister and Cabinet did move to reassure Japan
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Speaker 1: that he didn't mean to cause any offense. The ambassador
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Speaker 1: went on to say, in any case, the dinner hosted
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Speaker 1: by Prime Minister Albany during the Prime Minister's visit to Australia.
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Speaker 1: This may was held in a very relaxed atmosphere and
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Speaker 1: we believe it helped build a personal trust relationship between
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Speaker 1: the two leaders. Well, this is very dignified from the
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Speaker 1: ambassador who represents Japanese Prime Minister Sinai Takaichi. But Japan
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Speaker 1: has made it clear that they know about the leud
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Speaker 1: podcast and Australia had to send a diplomatic cable reassuring
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Speaker 1: Japan that no ill offense was intended or The Royal
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Speaker 1: Commission into Anti Semitism is risking the credibility of its
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Speaker 1: own findings over its decision to exclude prominent leaders like
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Speaker 1: Josh Friedenberg, Dave Shama, and, as I revealed last night,
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Speaker 1: Jennifer Westercott, these are extraordinary omissions because of what they've
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Speaker 1: each done in the fight against anti Semitism. Their insight
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Speaker 1: would be invaluable to Virginia Bell and to not hear
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Speaker 1: from them is an act of self sabotage. University of
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Speaker 1: Western Sydney Chancellor Jennifer Westercott put in a phenomenal submission
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Speaker 1: to the Royal Commission. She had solutions in there and
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Speaker 1: she identified causes of the problem and more than any
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Speaker 1: other figure in the tertiary education system. She showed leadership
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Speaker 1: in tackling anti semitism, and I'm delighted to say she
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Speaker 1: joins me now here on the desk. Jennifer, welcome again.
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Speaker 9: Thanks much.
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Speaker 1: Now, when you were told that you weren't going to
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Speaker 1: be called, what was your reaction.
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Speaker 5: Well, look, it's not for people like me to tell
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Speaker 5: the commission who to call. I mean, this is a
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Speaker 5: very important institution.
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Speaker 1: It has a lot of.
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Speaker 9: Authority and legitimacy.
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Speaker 5: It's governed by people with tremendous legal expertise and integrity.
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Speaker 5: But it was for me an opportunity, I think to
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Speaker 5: tell a different story about the university sector, where my
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Speaker 5: university and other universities did take action against anti semitism,
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Speaker 5: took a very strong moral position at the same time
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Speaker 5: as we did things in our university assist students from
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Speaker 5: Palestine with our Fleeing Conflict program, because our university stands
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Speaker 5: for morality, moral consistency, the dignity of people, absolute zero
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Speaker 5: tolerance to hate, to anti semitism, to racism of any kind.
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Speaker 9: And it would have been good to tell that story.
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Speaker 5: But hopefully in my submission, which I put a lot
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Speaker 5: of effort into and a lot of thought will actually
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Speaker 5: help inform the Commission's work. I was disappointed and distress
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Speaker 5: that Josh Fredenberg wasn't called, because this is a person
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Speaker 5: like yourself, who has really led on this issue, who's
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Speaker 5: been the victim of anti Semitism, who called for the
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Speaker 5: Royal Commission, who's our most prominent political Jewish leader, but
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Speaker 5: who's also got tremendous value to add. He's got tremendous
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Speaker 5: insight into how institutions work, how systems of government work.
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Speaker 5: And in my submission, as you know, I talk about
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Speaker 5: that we need systemic responses. Now mister Fredenberg has that
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Speaker 5: kind of expertise and again hopefully his written submission, which
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Speaker 5: is excellent, will help the Commission form its recommendations and
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Speaker 5: its deliberations to government.
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Speaker 1: I mean, you use the words that you were distressed
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Speaker 1: to see that Friedenberg wasn't called. But and you know,
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Speaker 1: I understand you're a very humble person, but you must
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Speaker 1: have been surprised, given your expertise, particularly in the tertiary
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Speaker 1: education sector, that you weren't caught. Yeah.
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Speaker 5: Look, as I said, I can't comment on the rationale
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Speaker 5: all reasons, and look, you know, I think that the
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Speaker 5: Commission has got a very difficult job. They've had twenty
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Speaker 5: thousand submissions, and you know, I just hope that my
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Speaker 5: written submission gets looked at very carefully because I went
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Speaker 5: to a lot of trouble to diagnose what I thought
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Speaker 5: had happened, to talk about the university sector, but to
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Speaker 5: also offer some broader recommendations about how we as a
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Speaker 5: country get through this. And I guess my principal point
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Speaker 5: that I was making is that this is not a
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Speaker 5: failure of anyone institution. This is a failure of collective leadership,
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Speaker 5: of collective judgment, and the Commission must.
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Speaker 9: Set a line in the sand and.
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Speaker 5: Look across the institutions, the systems of how we lead
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Speaker 5: this country and make a series of recommendations so that
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Speaker 5: we put anti Semitism into the fringe of society where
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Speaker 5: it belongs, that we eradicated.
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Speaker 1: I think your submission was particularly powerful. I think it's
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Speaker 1: one of the best I've read. I have to be honest,
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Speaker 1: because when it talks about your personal experience, which you've
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Speaker 1: been on this program before, to talk about how your
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Speaker 1: father was in effect held to anti Semitic views, but
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Speaker 1: then you talk about what led what contributed to the
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Speaker 1: antisemitism crisis. You say, a failure of leadership, a failure
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Speaker 1: of governments, they were too slow to act. You say
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Speaker 1: it was also a failure of moral leadership. But then
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Speaker 1: you identify the solutions. So I think that's what makes
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Speaker 1: it such a brilliant submission. And I wonder if you
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Speaker 1: think this is why you might not have been called,
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Speaker 1: because you know, you did criticize the failure of governments
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Speaker 1: to act, including the federal government.
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Speaker 5: Well, I don't single out any institution. I single out
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Speaker 5: our collective failure of leadership, you know, And I think
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Speaker 5: it's important that we all stand back and say, you know,
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Speaker 5: as a you know, as a collective group of leaders,
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Speaker 5: whether it was government, university, sector, business to a lesser extent,
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Speaker 5: but you know, some and in all these cases people
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Speaker 5: did act with exception. But across the board, we walked
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Speaker 5: past those protests, and in walking past them and allowing
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Speaker 5: them to get more and more severe in the nature
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Speaker 5: of the anti semitism, to me, it created almost like
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Speaker 5: a acceptance that this was okay, became normalized, became normalized.
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Speaker 9: It kind of to me.
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Speaker 1: Creates like the terror flags and they hate exactly.
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Speaker 5: To me, that creates as I describe at the antecedents
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Speaker 5: for what happened at Bondai, which was horrific. And the
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Speaker 5: other point I make, which I think is really important,
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Speaker 5: it's the importance of leaders to act with moral consistency
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Speaker 5: and moral clarity. And I go to some links, as
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Speaker 5: you know in the submission to talk about this and
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Speaker 5: what I've seen over a long period of time, but
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Speaker 5: particularly since October the seventh, is people you know, saying
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Speaker 5: that they don't agree with racism here, but they accept
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Speaker 5: it over here. And if you kind of walk past things,
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Speaker 5: you sort of say, well that's okay, Well it's not.
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Speaker 9: It's the same.
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Speaker 5: And so to me, you either believe in the dignity
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Speaker 5: of human beings or you don't. You either believe in
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Speaker 5: the dignity of all human beings or you don't. You
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Speaker 5: either reject racism or you don't. You either direct the
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Speaker 5: mistreatment of women or you don't. And you can't say
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Speaker 5: I accept it.
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Speaker 9: I rejected here, but I accept it over there.
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Speaker 1: You talk about that specifically that lgtv QI community.
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Speaker 5: As well, who were silent, and the Jewish community, and
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Speaker 5: I'm obviously part of that community, and I've spent many
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Speaker 5: years being an advocate for that community, and I always
18:19
Speaker 5: make the point that number one, the Jewish community stood
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Speaker 5: by that community, particularly.
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Speaker 9: In the marriage equality debate.
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Speaker 5: But more importantly, and this is the really crucial thing,
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Speaker 5: I always you know, give speeches to the community on this.
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Speaker 5: If you turn a blind eye to one form of hatred,
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Speaker 5: you will unleisha another one.
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Speaker 9: And you know, we've seen.
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Speaker 5: You know that, you know that that terrible treatment of
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Speaker 5: young gay men by representatives of the Islamic community.
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Speaker 9: That was really shocking to me. And that's my point.
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Speaker 5: If you if you just say we're not going to
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Speaker 5: talk about this hatred, this anti semitism, then by definition
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Speaker 5: you start to legitimize other forms, and you might bet
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Speaker 5: the end.
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Speaker 9: Of it, you know.
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Speaker 5: And I've put up with a lot of you know,
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Speaker 5: homophobic or for remarks in my life, and I don't
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Speaker 5: want to be part of a leadership cohort that legitimizes
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Speaker 5: any kind of hatred.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely not, I'm sorry to hear that. Do you still
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Speaker 1: have confidence in the Royal Commission or are you concerned
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Speaker 1: that its findings won't be as thorough as they could
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Speaker 1: be had they heard from you know, some more important voices,
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Speaker 1: but not just important voices. Had they called chancellors of
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Speaker 1: other universities to ask them about their actions for example.
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Speaker 5: Look, look, I do because I think that the terms
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Speaker 5: of reference are kind of you know, right on the money,
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Speaker 5: and I think, you know, the government did take advice
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Speaker 5: on that from very important people. And I do think that,
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Speaker 5: you know, a Commissioner Bill is a person of high
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Speaker 5: integrity and obviously a very very expert judge.
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Speaker 9: So I do.
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Speaker 5: I think the more important thing is that we get
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Speaker 5: some very specific reckon who. I've called for things like
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Speaker 5: a national uplifting education So I've agreed to co chair
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Speaker 5: a body that's going to work with employers to educate
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Speaker 5: people in across business. Great idea in anti semitism, but
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Speaker 5: we need these things at a national scale. So I
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Speaker 5: hope they make recommendations. And this is my point, not
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Speaker 5: for individual programs, but for systemic change, because what we've
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Speaker 5: now got in our society as a fracturing of our
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Speaker 5: social cohesion, and that requires systemic national change.
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Speaker 1: Given you've been able to make it work at your university,
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Speaker 1: I hope they do give you a national position. Jennifer,
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Speaker 1: Thank you so much again for your time You're very welcome,
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Speaker 1: you've been here, thank you.
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Speaker 9: Well.
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Speaker 1: The Sydney Morning Herald has today reported that a far
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Speaker 1: right influencer who mixes with neo Nazis has not only
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Speaker 1: become a member of One Nation, but interviewed Pauline Hanson
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Speaker 1: last month. This was Andre Mabbott on the sidelines with
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Speaker 1: Hansen at a Conservative conference in the UK.
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Speaker 10: What is the right go do moving forward? With the
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Speaker 10: fact that Antifa gets away with so many attacks on
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Speaker 10: people on the right and if there's any mention of
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Speaker 10: the right doing it, groups get banned, the government bans
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Speaker 10: people and individuals. What can we do going forward if
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Speaker 10: one nation comes government.
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Speaker 1: Look it's happened for the last thirty years and I
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Speaker 1: saw the attacks that I had on mean roller backbone
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Speaker 1: and start saying no, we're not going to cop this.
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Speaker 1: And she was even featured in this video he posted
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Speaker 1: on his social media account.
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Speaker 10: Who is Australia for await man.
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Speaker 2: Howl and keep it as a citadel but a very
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Speaker 2: speaking race.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. And the nineteen year old has even posted a
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Speaker 1: video criticizing the move to band the now outlawed National
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Speaker 1: Socialist Network or joining me to discuss Victorian Liberal Party
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Speaker 1: former Victorian Liberal Party president Michael Kroger and New's twenty
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Speaker 1: four hosts Joe Hudebrand. Gentlemen, wonderful to see you, Michael. Look,
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Speaker 1: does Hanson need to improve her party's voting processes.
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Speaker 11: Well, yes, I don't think. You know, political leaders of
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Speaker 11: any description should be interviewed by people like that. But
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Speaker 11: does it affect her standing. No, because at the heart
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Speaker 11: of one nation is there there. They are unconventional, they
22:26
Speaker 11: are outsiders, They make mistakes, they do things differently, they
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Speaker 11: have rough edges. One of the reasons people are voting
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Speaker 11: for them is they're not part of the political establishment
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Speaker 11: that you do everything by the book, because the public things, well,
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Speaker 11: those sort of doing everything by the book, that's fail
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Speaker 11: as badly. We need someone who can rough the place
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Speaker 11: up a bit, you know, burn a few bridges and
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Speaker 11: so in that it makes no difference to her standing.
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Speaker 11: But you know, from the traditional spot that I sit
22:53
Speaker 11: in and that you and Joe sit in, we don't
22:55
Speaker 11: like anyone being interviewed by extremacile the left or the
22:59
Speaker 11: right day.
23:01
Speaker 1: But Joe, I mean, you know, if there are neo
23:03
Speaker 1: Nazi supporters.
23:04
Speaker 12: This is a worry, bloody oath it's to worry, and
23:07
Speaker 12: this is something I've been talking about, warning about for
23:09
Speaker 12: absolute years. There's obviously a huge number of just completely
23:13
Speaker 12: normal people with completely reasonable concerns who have gone over
23:16
Speaker 12: to One Nation in recent months. But there has also
23:21
Speaker 12: and has always been a really strong overlap. And it's
23:24
Speaker 12: not just a matter of vetting these people. There is
23:26
Speaker 12: a strong ideological overlap between a lot of what One
23:30
Speaker 12: Nation says or has sort of buried in its sort
23:34
Speaker 12: of fairly slim party manifesto and what extreme groups, including
23:39
Speaker 12: neo Nazis and white supremacists really want to see. That
23:43
Speaker 12: is why they this man has joined the party, this
23:46
Speaker 12: is why he is fanboying while interviewing her. And I've
23:49
Speaker 12: dealt with these people. I know you have as well, Shari.
23:52
Speaker 12: One Nation, as Barnaby Joyce said, got its massive surge
23:55
Speaker 12: in support after the Bondi terror attack. These people are
23:59
Speaker 12: hardcore anti Semites. These are people who are apologists for
24:03
Speaker 12: some of the well of some of the worst kind
24:07
Speaker 12: of the worst anti Semitism, the worst murder of Jews
24:10
Speaker 12: in all of human history, which has been a pretty
24:13
Speaker 12: sorry one since they dot So. The fact of the
24:16
Speaker 12: matter is there are really dodgy, bad people and they
24:19
Speaker 12: are playing footsies with them.
24:21
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I want to turn just linking the one
24:25
Speaker 1: nation issue. John Howard has told The Herald that the
24:28
Speaker 1: Liberals should resist the urge to strike an alliance with
24:31
Speaker 1: One Nation. He said, the only party that we should
24:34
Speaker 1: ever be in coalition with is the National Party. If
24:37
Speaker 1: you want a good, center right alternative to this miserable
24:40
Speaker 1: ritten mob you've got now, then support a coalition that's
24:42
Speaker 1: working hard on policy alternatives. Michael, do you agree with him?
24:48
Speaker 11: Well, of course, I mean, of course, John Howard's right.
24:51
Speaker 11: We're in coalition with the National Party and we have
24:54
Speaker 11: been for decades in government. So you know, for many reasons,
25:02
Speaker 11: you can't have a three party coalition in government. For
25:05
Speaker 11: those people that want us to be in coalition with
25:06
Speaker 11: one Nation after the election, if the three parties together
25:09
Speaker 11: have a majority, what a three party coalition? That would
25:12
Speaker 11: be completely unworkable and wouldn't last long. Now our coalition
25:15
Speaker 11: partner is the National Party. If we need to rely
25:18
Speaker 11: on One Nation votes to get a majority in the
25:20
Speaker 11: Lower House for legislation for confidence supply after the election,
25:23
Speaker 11: well that would be after the election. Speculating about it now.
25:27
Speaker 1: Because what if they get more seats than what well,
25:31
Speaker 1: I don't.
25:31
Speaker 11: Think that's going to happen. Irrespective of what the votes are.
25:34
Speaker 11: The Liberal Party has to basically come third in a
25:36
Speaker 11: lot of these electorates for one nation to win because
25:39
Speaker 11: without Liberal preferences like Farah, one nation are not going
25:43
Speaker 11: to get Unless one nation on forty forty two is
25:46
Speaker 11: their primary voting seats, they're not going to win enough
25:49
Speaker 11: federal seats. They're not going to win sixty or anything
25:51
Speaker 11: like it at the federal election. So the Liberal Party
25:54
Speaker 11: and the National Party together, I'm confident, even though we're
25:57
Speaker 11: on a sub twenty number of the minute, by the
25:59
Speaker 11: time they're going to have a majority over one nation
26:03
Speaker 11: at the election because one nation can't get enough preferences
26:06
Speaker 11: to win seats like they did in Farah. But that
26:09
Speaker 11: won't be repeated in most parts of the country.
26:13
Speaker 1: I mean, Joe, there's a lot of pressure on Angus
26:15
Speaker 1: Taylor to start looking at at an alliance given the
26:19
Speaker 1: combined Conservative vote is fifty percent.
26:23
Speaker 12: Yeah, but I mean, Michael's completely correct, just because that's
26:26
Speaker 12: what the overall national vote is coming up at in polls.
26:31
Speaker 12: That is very different to how it plays out in
26:34
Speaker 12: each individual seat. And it is very clear to me
26:37
Speaker 12: that if you are still voting for the Liberal or
26:40
Speaker 12: National Party or telling a Polster that you're going to
26:43
Speaker 12: when One Nation is at its absolute peak, you are
26:46
Speaker 12: probably a never one nationer. You are probably from the
26:49
Speaker 12: moderate wing of the Liberal Party, and you would hold
26:52
Speaker 12: your nose and preference Labor over one Nation if you
26:55
Speaker 12: had to do that. And of course, notwithstanding the fact
26:58
Speaker 12: that One Nation has taken a lot of call a
27:01
Speaker 12: Labor voters, which I'm very upset about, but you know,
27:04
Speaker 12: labor votes are obviously going to overwhelmingly flow to the
27:08
Speaker 12: Liberal or National candidate over one Nation if Labor becomes
27:11
Speaker 12: the third party to be knocked out. So it simply
27:13
Speaker 12: doesn't work on a seat by seat basis. And also
27:15
Speaker 12: the Libs are doing pretty well in Victoria at the moment,
27:18
Speaker 12: and I think once people see that the coalition can
27:22
Speaker 12: win an election and that One Nation is not the
27:25
Speaker 12: boogey monster that just wipes it out, then maybe people
27:29
Speaker 12: will do what John Howard is saying. And again, of
27:32
Speaker 12: course he's right. He's always right. This man knows Middle
27:35
Speaker 12: Australia in his gut better than almost any Prime minister
27:38
Speaker 12: in history, and so if he's telling you what it
27:41
Speaker 12: takes to win and where Australia will eventually land, pays
27:44
Speaker 12: to listen.
27:45
Speaker 1: Does Indeed? I just want to turn to the speech
27:48
Speaker 1: that moderate, one of the moderate Liberals you were just
27:50
Speaker 1: talking about, Andrew Bragg, gave it the Press Club today.
27:54
Speaker 1: Now he's slammed his own party's leadership for its demise.
27:57
Speaker 1: He championed multiculturalism. Michael, what do you think of his approach?
28:03
Speaker 1: I mean, do you think he's he's clearly gone out
28:08
Speaker 1: on his own right. This is an official coalition policy position.
28:10
Speaker 1: Is this going to cause a headache for the Liberals?
28:15
Speaker 4: Not much.
28:16
Speaker 11: I think Andrew's well known for speaking his mind and
28:18
Speaker 11: quite frankly good on him. He was absolutely right about
28:20
Speaker 11: the National Construction Code building. Come what two thousand pages
28:24
Speaker 11: to build a house? I mean, that's perfect example of
28:27
Speaker 11: why this country, It's one of the many reasonhy this
28:29
Speaker 11: country is a complete mess at the minute when a
28:31
Speaker 11: builder needs to know two thousand pages of legislation and
28:35
Speaker 11: rules before he can build a house. On immigration, he's
28:38
Speaker 11: putting a number out there that's not coalition policy. And
28:41
Speaker 11: the number will come out in due course and it
28:43
Speaker 11: will be I would presume it to be quite a
28:45
Speaker 11: significant amount less than that he was critical of the
28:49
Speaker 11: leadership over recent years. He's probably right on that.
28:53
Speaker 1: Yeah.
28:53
Speaker 11: I mean, we've just had the worst result we've ever
28:56
Speaker 11: had an election, and the one before that was much better.
29:00
Speaker 11: If you come in and you said we've never been
29:01
Speaker 11: going better, I would have criticized him. But Bragg is
29:04
Speaker 11: simply saying we've let the team down, and I think
29:07
Speaker 11: on that form that scale, Bragg is absolutely correct. All right,
29:11
Speaker 11: and good on it for saying it.
29:13
Speaker 1: All right, there, you guys got your endorsement. All right,
29:15
Speaker 1: we're out of time. Michael Kroger, Joe Huda Brand, great
29:17
Speaker 1: to see you.
29:17
Speaker 9: Bot Gags still to come.
29:20
Speaker 1: Former Prime Minister Scott Morrison reveals his firm has had
29:23
Speaker 1: to leave Australia because of that anti business climate under
29:27
Speaker 1: Alban Easy that exclusive interview After the break Like caught
29:34
Speaker 1: up with former Prime Minister Scott Morrison for an exclusive
29:37
Speaker 1: interview about Australia's anti business climate, the worrying economic outlook,
29:42
Speaker 1: how the Iran war will impact on Trump in the midterms,
29:46
Speaker 1: and how the Liberals should deal with the rise of
29:48
Speaker 1: one Nation. Here's our chat Scott Morrison, Thank you so
29:53
Speaker 1: much for your time, really appreciate it. Now you've written
29:57
Speaker 1: a fascinating column on the Iran War and you start
30:00
Speaker 1: this interesting point that this began over their nuclear program,
30:04
Speaker 1: but now it's being fought as well over the Strait
30:06
Speaker 1: of Hormus. I mean, how does this conflict get resolved when,
30:10
Speaker 1: as you point out, they've already been seven de escalation announcements.
30:15
Speaker 2: Not easily and perhaps not at all. I think that's
30:20
Speaker 2: what's emerging. It is become a bit of a stalemate.
30:23
Speaker 2: And what is acutely in focused now is the impact
30:26
Speaker 2: that the Uranians leverage over the straight is doing to
30:29
Speaker 2: oil prices and how that's impacting I would say non
30:33
Speaker 2: US economies more so than in the US itself, particularly
30:37
Speaker 2: in Asia, and that.
30:39
Speaker 4: Is playing out.
30:40
Speaker 2: It's playing out on fuel prices even in the US,
30:43
Speaker 2: and with midterms approaching, well, that has now become the
30:45
Speaker 2: focus of trying to get that waterway open. Now, what
30:49
Speaker 2: I suspect will continue to happen is what we've seen.
30:51
Speaker 2: I think we're going to keep seeing more of the
30:53
Speaker 2: same until either side is able to achieve a rather
30:56
Speaker 2: significant breakthrough in either getting the other to step back
31:01
Speaker 2: or indeed one is able to compel the other, which
31:04
Speaker 2: is the approach to the United States will ultimately I
31:07
Speaker 2: suspect have to take and that is an escalation of
31:09
Speaker 2: the conflict.
31:10
Speaker 1: President Trump made it very clear initially that he only
31:14
Speaker 1: saw this as a shot war, but now it's expected
31:17
Speaker 1: to impact the midterms, and it's already impacted his standing
31:21
Speaker 1: in the polls. But ultimately, Iran can't just be allowed
31:24
Speaker 1: to control the strait of horr moves, can it.
31:28
Speaker 2: No, it can't. And this is the rather difficult situation
31:31
Speaker 2: the President finds himself in. And you're right the midterms
31:35
Speaker 2: months ago, the idea that the Senate majority was at risk,
31:38
Speaker 2: I don't think it was a realistic threat, and it
31:41
Speaker 2: is now in play. And what's really changed for the
31:44
Speaker 2: president there is, Yes, Iran has an impact, but it's
31:47
Speaker 2: the cost of living, just like it is here and
31:50
Speaker 2: in most Western democracies. And it's how this conflict plays
31:53
Speaker 2: in to that cost of living issue, and particularly at
31:57
Speaker 2: the pump price. Now, ironically, the economic impact on the
32:00
Speaker 2: pump price is not as grade in the US as
32:02
Speaker 2: it is say here, or particularly in Asia. The US
32:06
Speaker 2: is a bit more insulated from that as a major
32:08
Speaker 2: producer of oil. But at the same time, you know
32:12
Speaker 2: this will still filter through, and this will mean that
32:14
Speaker 2: the President will keep trying, I think, to de escalate
32:17
Speaker 2: what's happening around the Strait and get some of those
32:21
Speaker 2: supplies out while at the same time keeping the pressure
32:25
Speaker 2: on the overall conflict and not giving away something that
32:28
Speaker 2: is absolutely fundamental.
32:30
Speaker 1: Look, just showing how deadly serious this is and the
32:33
Speaker 1: great risk that the IIGC poses. They've been breaking news
32:38
Speaker 1: reports this afternoon that there was a credible threat that
32:41
Speaker 1: Iran plan to shoot down Air Force One with a
32:44
Speaker 1: surface to air missile with President Trump on board, and
32:48
Speaker 1: this led to his dramatic evacuation.
32:50
Speaker 2: Well, talking about an apocalyptic terrorist regime that doesn't play
32:54
Speaker 2: by anybody's rules other than their own, who has been
32:57
Speaker 2: calling for the death to America for forty nine years,
33:01
Speaker 2: and so I don't think there's any great surprise that
33:03
Speaker 2: they would try to take out their president. They've not
33:06
Speaker 2: the first time. They've been trying to take out your
33:07
Speaker 2: as presidents for years. I mean, there has to be
33:10
Speaker 2: a day of reckoning for I run, and this president
33:12
Speaker 2: has been seeking to bring that, but it's a very
33:15
Speaker 2: difficult thing to do. And those who argue he's doing
33:18
Speaker 2: it for politics, well, I think the evidence says the
33:20
Speaker 2: opposite to that he is doing it at great political cost,
33:24
Speaker 2: and I think that shows his genuineness about his stand
33:28
Speaker 2: on this issue.
33:29
Speaker 1: On the economy, the big picture is that interest rates
33:32
Speaker 1: are rising and Scott, you remember how Labour blamed that
33:36
Speaker 1: one interest rate rise on you. I mean, now how
33:38
Speaker 1: many of they've been under their watch, some fifteen and
33:41
Speaker 1: of course it's not their fault. Inflation remains high, well
33:44
Speaker 1: above the target of two to three percent. The housing
33:47
Speaker 1: market is now imploding as a result of Labour's tax policies.
33:51
Speaker 1: This sort of outlook, how worrying do you think this is?
33:55
Speaker 2: Well, Australia, because of our history and where we sit
33:58
Speaker 2: in a triple A rated economy, all of this gives
34:02
Speaker 2: us some resilience to what is happening globly, but it's
34:05
Speaker 2: not a free pass and our trimmin inflation figure is
34:09
Speaker 2: stubbornly sitting where it is above the above the target rate,
34:14
Speaker 2: and with the Bank saying yesterday that they're not expecting
34:17
Speaker 2: to see that change until late next year, I think
34:21
Speaker 2: says to those on mortgages that don't expect a rate
34:24
Speaker 2: cut anytime soon, and if anything, they stand at the
34:27
Speaker 2: ready I think to put things up. Ironically, probably the
34:30
Speaker 2: only thing that's prevented them from doing that is that
34:33
Speaker 2: is the devastation wreaked on Australian property haters by what
34:37
Speaker 2: happened in the paint budget. What is really driving inflation
34:41
Speaker 2: in Australia has really not a lot to do with golf,
34:44
Speaker 2: particularly the core inflation.
34:45
Speaker 1: The IRBA made the point yesterday that immigration is one
34:49
Speaker 1: of the only factors holding up our economic growth. Do
34:52
Speaker 1: you think there is a case to bring down this
34:56
Speaker 1: big Australia that alban Easy brought in.
35:00
Speaker 2: Well, it's careering along and has for the last few
35:03
Speaker 2: years because they've just let it run loose, that's my observation.
35:11
Speaker 2: And as a result, the net overseas migration figure has
35:16
Speaker 2: hit remarkable levels.
35:18
Speaker 4: Now.
35:18
Speaker 2: Early on you could say that there was some pent
35:21
Speaker 2: up demand following COVID when we literally shut the borders,
35:25
Speaker 2: and as a result there was some there was some
35:28
Speaker 2: catch up, but you know it's years and years since
35:32
Speaker 2: that now, and when you've got a net overseas migration
35:36
Speaker 2: rate which is running well over two hundred thousand, then
35:39
Speaker 2: you can expect these pressures. You can't force them to
35:42
Speaker 2: go and live on as permanent migrants anywhere else in
35:44
Speaker 2: the rest of the country. We did quite a number
35:46
Speaker 2: of things to have temporary migration visas tied to being
35:51
Speaker 2: in particular parts of the country, but the government completely
35:55
Speaker 2: changed that definition and made that pretty much everywhere, so
35:58
Speaker 2: it blunted its effectedness. But in Australia, I think, like
36:03
Speaker 2: in most Western democracies, migration plays an important role, but
36:08
Speaker 2: it has to do it behind strong borders which are
36:12
Speaker 2: well policed and well enforced, which is what Operation Sovereign
36:16
Speaker 2: Borders was all about. And then you've got to have
36:17
Speaker 2: a migration program which runs to rules and has focused
36:20
Speaker 2: on one thing your economy and the other things were seeing,
36:24
Speaker 2: particularly in the most recent budget. You know, sadly, you know,
36:27
Speaker 2: these are the things that are really really dampening the
36:31
Speaker 2: entrepreneurial spirit. I operate in the private sector now, and
36:35
Speaker 2: I see it myself. People are actively thinking about if
36:39
Speaker 2: I'm going to start a business, should I be doing
36:42
Speaker 2: it here? Should I base myself in Singapore? Should I
36:45
Speaker 2: base myself in New Zealand? Should I base myself in
36:47
Speaker 2: the United States. I'm an involved in a company myself,
36:50
Speaker 2: which has had to do that in order to get ahead.
36:53
Speaker 2: So Australia has starts with a lot of advantages and
36:59
Speaker 2: those advantages are being eroded away.
37:02
Speaker 1: When you just said that you were involved in a
37:03
Speaker 1: company yourself, do you mean that your company had to
37:06
Speaker 1: move offshore?
37:08
Speaker 2: Yeah, we were doing things here and our CEO and
37:11
Speaker 2: founder has gone over there. You know, that's where the
37:14
Speaker 2: contracts are and that's where I mean when you look
37:17
Speaker 2: at all the things that you have to do and
37:19
Speaker 2: the compliance issues and so on, it is just getting
37:21
Speaker 2: I mean one of the things that really, you know,
37:24
Speaker 2: I've moved on and I'm no longer in politics or
37:26
Speaker 2: anything like that, but one of the things that really
37:29
Speaker 2: I find hard to watch happening is what small business
37:32
Speaker 2: are really struggling under at the moment. I mean, we're
37:34
Speaker 2: able to get them through COVID whole the vast majority
37:39
Speaker 2: of them. A day doesn't go past when frankly, someone
37:42
Speaker 2: doesn't approach me and say well thanks for beginning us
37:44
Speaker 2: through and they are a lot of those people are
37:46
Speaker 2: small business people.
37:48
Speaker 1: Scott, how do you think the Liberal Party should combat
37:50
Speaker 1: the rise of one nation which is well ahead of
37:53
Speaker 1: it in the polls one nation.
37:56
Speaker 2: Like most of the populist parties do well when they
38:01
Speaker 2: capitalize on the dysfunction of the major parties. And that's
38:04
Speaker 2: where we've seen all around the world. And if you
38:05
Speaker 2: look at I think what's happened in the UK, you've
38:08
Speaker 2: seen reforms position actually steadily declining now for many months.
38:14
Speaker 2: But it's interesting to see the steady rise that the
38:16
Speaker 2: Tories have had under Kemy Bdnott. Where they have been consistent,
38:22
Speaker 2: they have been on the issue of the economy. They
38:25
Speaker 2: haven't focused on reform, They've focused on their own narrative,
38:29
Speaker 2: on the government, and on their own economic policies and
38:32
Speaker 2: their own positions. And I think there are a lot
38:34
Speaker 2: of lessons in that, and I think the UK could
38:38
Speaker 2: prove to be quite prophetic in terms of how we
38:42
Speaker 2: see this issue play out.
38:43
Speaker 1: By the way, I didn't even ask you are you well?
38:46
Speaker 1: How are you going?
38:48
Speaker 2: I'm great, loving life. I just need my sharks to
38:51
Speaker 2: win this weekend. We didn't have such a great outing
38:53
Speaker 2: on the weekend. We were going quite well, so I'm
38:56
Speaker 2: hoping to see a turnaround this weekend. I'm sure the
38:59
Speaker 2: boys will go well.
39:00
Speaker 1: All right, Well, good luck and thank you so much
39:03
Speaker 1: for your time, Thanks Sharon, good to have a chat
39:07
Speaker 1: with him. All right, still to come. Asio has been
39:09
Speaker 1: given new powers to crack down on universities. Plus with
39:13
Speaker 1: house prices falling in thirty eight marginal seats, how will
39:16
Speaker 1: this impact on the Albanezy government? Julian Lisa after the
39:20
Speaker 1: break welcome back. Universities will be forced to disclose dealings
39:26
Speaker 1: with institutions in hostile nations. Countries include China, Iran, Russia, Belarus,
39:33
Speaker 1: Vietnam and Laos. ASIO will also no longer notify universities
39:38
Speaker 1: when they're under investigation and Shadow Education Minister Julian Lisa
39:42
Speaker 1: joins me now live from Cambra. Julian, thanks for your time.
39:46
Speaker 1: Great to see you now. You've actually criticized this for
39:49
Speaker 1: not being strong enough.
39:51
Speaker 13: Why well, you know you can't have a situation Shari.
39:56
Speaker 13: Where after Iran a criminal terrorist regime that has a
39:59
Speaker 13: tectus Astralia on two occasions where we've booted the ambassador,
40:03
Speaker 13: where we've listed the IRGC, where we've said people can't
40:07
Speaker 13: travel there, you can't have a situation as we have
40:09
Speaker 13: presently where at least two universities are still dealing with
40:13
Speaker 13: Iran and all they've got so far is a polite
40:18
Speaker 13: letter from the Department to say stop doing this, and
40:21
Speaker 13: the Department covers up for.
40:23
Speaker 4: Which universities they are.
40:24
Speaker 13: I think we need to know which are the universities
40:26
Speaker 13: that are still dealing with Iran, and there needs to
40:29
Speaker 13: be some proper penalties through the Mission Compact process by
40:32
Speaker 13: which the government negotiates funding with universities. There needs to
40:35
Speaker 13: be penalties for people who are engaging with Iran if
40:39
Speaker 13: they've breached the autonomous sanctions regime, and the universities themselves
40:42
Speaker 13: need to bring penalties against any staff have continued to
40:45
Speaker 13: engage with Iran and some of these other countries where
40:49
Speaker 13: there are real security concerns for having partnerships and arrangements
40:52
Speaker 13: with them. No wonder university reputations across the broader community
40:57
Speaker 13: are so poor when they can't even read.
40:59
Speaker 4: The on the wall about our strategy adversaries.
41:03
Speaker 1: And one of the reasons why this is concerning is
41:06
Speaker 1: if Australian intellectual property or research, especially when it could
41:10
Speaker 1: have a dual purpose, is sent to a hostile nation,
41:13
Speaker 1: we just don't know how that would be abused.
41:16
Speaker 4: Well, that's exactly right.
41:18
Speaker 13: I mean, there were reports of Australian researchers working on
41:21
Speaker 13: drone technology with Iran drones that have been used in
41:25
Speaker 13: the Straits of them was drones that have been used
41:27
Speaker 13: and exported to the front between Ukraine and Russia. Drones
41:32
Speaker 13: that could be used against Australians. That's not in our
41:35
Speaker 13: national interest and our researchers and our.
41:39
Speaker 4: University should be serving our national interest.
41:42
Speaker 1: Out of interest. Do you know which universities are cooperating
41:44
Speaker 1: with these hostile nations?
41:47
Speaker 13: I don't charry, but like the rest of Australia, I'd
41:49
Speaker 13: love to find out.
41:50
Speaker 1: Well, let's find out, Julian, Let's make that our mission. Look,
41:54
Speaker 1: I want to absolutely I want to ask you about
41:56
Speaker 1: the fall in house prices. I've been speaking about it
41:58
Speaker 1: all week. A report in the finn Review shows that
42:02
Speaker 1: house prices have dropped in thirty eight marginal seats. So
42:05
Speaker 1: looking at this from a political perspective, I mean most
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Speaker 1: of those are held by Labor currently, but also your
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Speaker 1: seat of Burarra. Do you think this will benefit Labor
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Speaker 1: or the Coalition?
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Speaker 13: Well, our tidyhood won't benefit and that is families in
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Speaker 13: my electorate. The Labor government has taken a baseball back
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Speaker 13: to the housing market here and they have wiped one
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Speaker 13: hundred and fourteen thousand dollars off the value of the
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Speaker 13: average home in my electorate, and that is making everyone poorer.
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Speaker 13: And at the same time, when I talk to real
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Speaker 13: estate agents, they are not seeing any uptick in my
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Speaker 13: electorate in terms of the number of new first homeowners
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Speaker 13: entering the market. So this policy of Labour's toxic taxes
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Speaker 13: is just tanking the housing market, making Australians poorer and
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Speaker 13: not achieving their aim of getting more first home buyers
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Speaker 13: in there. It's a failed policy and it's a double
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Speaker 13: whammy for people.
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Speaker 4: In my electorate.
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Speaker 1: Today, your colleague H's Andrew Bragg put forward the figure
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Speaker 1: of one hundred and eighty thousand net arrivals. Is that
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Speaker 1: official coalition policy? I mean Pauline Hansen said we should
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Speaker 1: have one hundred and thirty thousand, one eighty official coalition policy.
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Speaker 4: Well, let me explain how we're going to come to
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Speaker 4: the figure.
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Speaker 13: Firstly, the Labor Party has completely lost control of the
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Speaker 13: migration program. They've bought a million people here and we
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Speaker 13: have to reduce net overseas migration.
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Speaker 4: I've been very clear about that, as has everyone.
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Speaker 13: What we have said is that we will base the
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Speaker 13: net overseas migration figure in any particular year based on.
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Speaker 4: The houses constructed the previous year.
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Speaker 13: Now, if we were in government this year, Andrew Bragg
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Speaker 13: was effectively giving a figure of one hundred and eighty thousand,
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Speaker 13: because that's based on the number of houses constructed in.
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Speaker 4: The previous year.
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Speaker 13: But of course the next election is not until twenty
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Speaker 13: twenty eight, and we would apply that policy setting to
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Speaker 13: work out what the noun would be based on the
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Speaker 13: number of houses constructed in the previous year.
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Speaker 1: Probably you're saying one one hundred and eighty thousand is
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Speaker 1: how many migrants you'd bring in if the election was
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Speaker 1: this year, but you can't tell us what it would
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Speaker 1: be if you won at the next election.
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Speaker 13: Of Course, we don't know what's going to happen to
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Speaker 13: the housing market over the next couple of years, because
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Speaker 13: there might be a growth in the housing market, in
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Speaker 13: which case we'd bring more people. There might be a
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Speaker 13: decline in the housing market, in which case we'd bring
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Speaker 13: fewer people.
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Speaker 4: Don't people can't tell Australia.
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Speaker 1: People want to know what the coalition figure is.
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Speaker 13: Though, what we can tell Australians very clearly is that
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Speaker 13: we will base our figure based off the number of
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Speaker 13: houses that are constructed the previous year, because you can't
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Speaker 13: bring people to the country if you can't house them,
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Speaker 13: and that's been the problem with what Labor has done.
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Speaker 4: They've let the migration program get out of control.
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Speaker 13: They've brought a million people here in four years and
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Speaker 13: they just can't house people and this is putting extraordinary
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Speaker 13: pressure on the housing market.
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Speaker 1: The Royal Commission into Antisemitism is wrapping up its hearings
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Speaker 1: at the end of the month. Do you think it's
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Speaker 1: heard from enough people? Do you have any concerns?
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Speaker 4: Charry?
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Speaker 13: This was the Royal Commission that Anthony Albernezi never wanted
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Speaker 13: to had have.
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Speaker 4: He lied about it, he denied that he.
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Speaker 13: Never wanted to have it, and he set the timetable
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Speaker 13: to report by the end of the year. I frankly
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Speaker 13: don't feel that the Royal Commission has heard from enough people.
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Speaker 13: I think it needs to hear from the key university
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Speaker 13: leaders who were there at the time some of this
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Speaker 13: bad conduct took place. I think it needs to hear
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Speaker 13: from many more of the arts organizations that that's heard from.
45:23
Speaker 13: I think it needs to hear from the protest organizers.
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Speaker 13: They should be in the dock rather than asking the questions.
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Speaker 13: I think it needs to hear from government ministers, and
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Speaker 13: it needs to hear from people like Josh Friedenberg. I
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Speaker 13: think it will be a great tragedy if the Royal
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Speaker 13: Commission wraps up at the end of the year without
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Speaker 13: hearing from those groups of people.
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Speaker 4: At the very least.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, completely agree. Well, Set, I'd add some politicians in
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Speaker 1: there as well, the Prime Minister, the Home Affairs Minister,
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Speaker 1: the Foreign Minister. I could submit quite the vacation minister. Exactly, absolutely,
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Speaker 1: Julian lie I really appreciate your time from camera. Thank you.
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Speaker 1: Coming up the photo that's shocked the world boat with
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Speaker 1: two hundred and thirty people headed for the UK, plus
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Speaker 1: Hunter Biden's weird as all sit down with Taker Carson.
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Speaker 1: That's next.
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Speaker 9: Well.
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Speaker 1: An extraordinary image of the UK migration crisis emerged this week.
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Speaker 1: A small boat packed with two hundred and thirty people
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Speaker 1: spotted crossing the English Channel, breaking the previous record of
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Speaker 1: one sixty five. For more on this, Spiked Online editor
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Speaker 1: Tom Slater joins me from London's Tom Good to see
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Speaker 1: you so tell us about this image. Have you got
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Speaker 1: us there.
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Speaker 9: Tom.
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Speaker 1: Okay, we're waiting. We're waiting to hear from Tom. In
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Speaker 1: the meantime, I want to turn to this interview that
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Speaker 1: Joe Biden, as in President Joe Biden's son, Hunter has
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Speaker 1: done with far right, I can say safely anti Semite,
46:57
Speaker 1: Tucker Carson. Look, it's peculiarly that Hunter Biden has sat
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Speaker 1: down with Tucker. He has have a look at this.
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Speaker 14: There's no possible way all of the information that was
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Speaker 14: eventually labeled as my laptop came from one laptop. If
47:14
Speaker 14: it's anti Semitic to point out that Bibi net Nyahu
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Speaker 14: is evil in Carnene, then you know what. I don't
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Speaker 14: know what to say to I don't know what to
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Speaker 14: say to people anymore.
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Speaker 1: Now. In that interview, and I haven't watched the whole
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Speaker 1: Thing's had a very busy day. But what I have seen,
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Speaker 1: Hunter Biden describes Candas as a good person. I mean,
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Speaker 1: this is not a good person. She has gone after
47:38
Speaker 1: Erica Kirk, a widow. She's a full blown out he
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Speaker 1: semit even worse than Tucker Carson. Tom Slade is back
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Speaker 1: with us, so let's bring him in. Tuck, Tom, what
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Speaker 1: do you make of this? Very weird pairing, very friendly
47:51
Speaker 1: pairing of Tucker and Hunter Biden.
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Speaker 15: Well, it seems like Tucker Carson at this point will
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Speaker 15: have anyone who is on his show provide did they
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Speaker 15: can rant and rave about the Jewish state indulging level
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Speaker 15: of conspiracy, theorizing regardless of who they are, what kind
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Speaker 15: of untrustworthy character they might be, which at the very
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Speaker 15: least could say about Hunter Biden, is that is the case?
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Speaker 15: And to see the kind of indulging of Candice Own,
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Speaker 15: someone who, alongside airing shall we say, the world's oldest prejudice,
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Speaker 15: is also a complete fruitcake, you know, is convinced that
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Speaker 15: a combination from what I can gather of questionable forces,
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Speaker 15: Jews and probably Aliens were responsible for the murder of
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Speaker 15: Charlie Kirk. But I think it just shows the sort
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Speaker 15: of rabbit hole that Tucker Carson and many of the
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Speaker 15: people that he has in his show have fallen down,
48:38
Speaker 15: and yet he treats them with such reverence and such
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Speaker 15: credulity in a way that he wouldn't if they just
48:42
Speaker 15: happened to be, say a pro Israel Republican. He subjects
48:45
Speaker 15: to kind of level of grilling you would expect of
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Speaker 15: some kind of war criminal. So yeah, very curious phenomenon,
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Speaker 15: the whole Tucker Carson thing. But I certainly didn't see
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Speaker 15: the Hunter Biden Tucker Carson love in coming.
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Speaker 1: No, absolutely not. I mean, especially because back when Tucker
48:58
Speaker 1: was on Fox New, I mean, he had Miranda Devine
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Speaker 1: on his program all the time to talk about her
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Speaker 1: brilliant reporting and investigation into the Hunter Biden laptop. I mean,
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Speaker 1: it's just utterly bizarre. I want to go back to
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Speaker 1: that image of that really symbolizes the UK migration crisis.
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Speaker 1: Those poor people jammed on the boat. What's been the.
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Speaker 15: Reaction things utter shock. I mean, that's more people sharry
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Speaker 15: than you get on a Boeing seven three seven. And
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Speaker 15: this is a government that claims that it's smashing the gangs. Yes,
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Speaker 15: the numbers overall are down, but I think what we're
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Speaker 15: seeing here is just that the people smugglers are adapting.
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Speaker 15: And given the fact there's been a string of stories
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Speaker 15: this week in the press about illegal migrants quote unquote
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Speaker 15: asylum seekers committing some horrific crimes, we're just being reminded
49:43
Speaker 15: day by day that if you have a border that
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Speaker 15: isn't controlled, there's going to be all manner of people
49:48
Speaker 15: who slipped her, including those who mean harm to the country.
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Speaker 15: So think it's just that it's just a big, stark, flaming,
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Speaker 15: visual reminder of the fact that our borders are not
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Speaker 15: being enforced and that the government is doing prescious a
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Speaker 15: little about it. And for a long time I think
50:01
Speaker 15: labor hope this issue would go away. But at the
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Speaker 15: moment the only thing that stops these boats is the weather,
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Speaker 15: and the weather's been pretty good in the UK over
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Speaker 15: the past few weeks, so it's only going to run
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Speaker 15: and run.
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Speaker 1: Tom. You know what has completely flawed me is that
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Speaker 1: you just got a new prime minister. He was desperate
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Speaker 1: for the top job, and then he goes off on
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Speaker 1: holidays for a week. Why would he do that?
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Speaker 15: It's incredible, It's incredible. I think it just shows despite
50:24
Speaker 15: as a lot of la prime ministers like so they'd
50:26
Speaker 15: like to pretend to be really in touch and down
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Speaker 15: to earth, he's totally clueless. He's totally misread the mood
50:31
Speaker 15: of the country. And the fact that while he was
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Speaker 15: heading in one direction, thousands of thousands of migrants were
50:36
Speaker 15: heading in the other direction, I think just underlines what
50:39
Speaker 15: a sour start it's got off to Forandy Burnham.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, unbelievable. I mean, if you really were desperate for
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Speaker 1: the top job, if you wanted to be Prime Minister,
50:47
Speaker 1: you would start working immediately, not go off on a holiday.
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Speaker 1: It's just extraordinary, Tom Slater, Sorry we had those technical issues.
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Speaker 1: We'll have you on for longer next time. Thank you
50:57
Speaker 1: for joining us, and thanks for your company this evening.
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Speaker 1: See you tomorrow is always at eight o'clock. And coming
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Speaker 1: up right now from the man Cave, the Great Paul
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Speaker 1: Murray