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Episode 106: Some of Our Favorite Quotes From "Andor" · Most Things Kenobi - A Star Wars Podcast

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Hello, there. It's time for most things
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Kenobi. Hi everyone, welcome to another
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episode of most things Kenobi. A podcast about Obi-Wan Kenobi
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and all things Star Wars. I'm your host Lauren and I'm
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your host Leanne and this week, I am extremely happy.
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Ha ha ha. It's very going back to some and
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or stuff and I'm ready. I really didn't realize how much
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I missed the show until I was trying to find ya, what my
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favorite quotes are, which please you we'd have to do a
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five part series. He's to cover all of them for
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real, honestly, I feel like they just the whole script.
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It's such a good script. I, this was hard to narrow it
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down to three. I just went with the top three
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that came to mind, but these are not by any means an exhaustive
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list. Well, I think we could all agree
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before we get into these that Lutheran's monologue his speech,
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you know, the one. Oh yes!
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That one is the my favorite Yeah.
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And we're actually just going to skip that one, just because it's
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the top tier of top - of top greatness of all and or
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greatness everything all at once in one monologue and it's
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Lutheran's. So we're going to, we're going
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to shelve that one because that's the obvious implied best
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quote. These quotes would not be the
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same. Same if different actors
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performed them, you know. I it's so funny.
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You say that because as I was researching like, which one am I
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actually going to choose? It really hit me.
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The performance is what drives this writing.
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Yeah. And yes any other person, it
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wouldn't have had as much impact.
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I really, truly believe that. Yeah, I actually just listen to
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an interview with Tony Gilroy recently because they were
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asked, they were asking him about writing and I just, you
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know, I eat that shit up. Hmm.
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Breakfast. And shit for breakfast.
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Pretty much. Just, tell me, everyone knows
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that reference that movie reference if I'm sorry.
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It sounds awful, Adam, Sam. I don't think I was going to.
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I don't think I know that. It's Happy Gilmore, Happy
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Gilmore. Oh my God.
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I would see that for such a long time.
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You know what's funny? Is I almost said happy Gilroy.
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Say think I'm just make it up movies now.
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Yeah, we are anyway. Oh, my goodness.
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Well, you have a saying that They had the first probably
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block done, which is like three episodes the first three
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episodes done and they were casting, they had their cast put
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together and then he was seeing like what they were doing with
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his script and he was like it made it easy.
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Then going forward to write for these actors because there's so
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skilled, I totally believe it. I totally believe it because
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wow, there's so many well-delivered lines at.
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Yes, there's also it's not just these are not just one liners.
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Hours. I had a line out of a giant
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scene or like monologue, you know, and pick the heart of
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that. Yeah.
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And why it meant something to me and yeah, it's just really, I
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actually have five I do. Well, I wrote the whole scenes
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out. So okay, so I've been, I will
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try and pick the three out of the five that I have here and if
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we have time, maybe we'll do honorable mentions.
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I don't know. It's just this whole show is
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just So fantastic. So, how did how did you organize
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yours? Are you going by like, what
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episode came first or like your favorite one?
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How did you categories? I mean, I went with the ones
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that I still remember and I remember them for a very
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touching moving reason. Yeah, I guess so, and then but
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like, I miss remember things, right?
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So I had to go and re-watch the scene or at least look up with
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the full quote was. So I don't misquote It and then
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I ended up watching these scenes over and I'm just like, this is
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so fucking good. And so I really just went with
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what I remembered because if you remember it, it's stuck out to
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you. Right?
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Right. Exactly.
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Well, I think we should probably do some Andorra re-watch.
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Probably. I think we should.
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I think it's necessary. It's needed after this, and
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it's, yeah, it's really a show that I can watch over and over
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and over same. And I think you would get
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something different out of it every time.
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And okay, so do you want to go first?
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You want to give your first quote said, well yes I'll go.
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I think, I'm not I guess of the ones.
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I wrote down besides Lutheran's speech, the one I have here is
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between Cassie and and Marva and it's probably my top one of my
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tops and it's Cassie and says I'll be worried about you all
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the time. Time and Marva says, that's just
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love. Nothing you can do about it.
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And literally have Goosebumps. Yeah but way she has the tears
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in her eyes that her shaking the quivering of her voice.
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Yeah. The fact that she's like
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subconsciously loving him for what he's saying and telling him
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it's okay. You know it's just that's a
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mother that's a mother's love and a son's worried like he's
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worried about her and he wants to take care of her and he
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doesn't want to leave her and the whole exchange is just
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beautiful. Honestly that's just I have
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nothing you can do about it. She says it's so
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matter-of-factly. So it's so practical.
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Like, let's just love. Nothing you can do about it, but
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there's so much more in it. And and this is where I want to
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highlight the fact that the delivery and the acting on this
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part is unmatched. Yes, she's able to convey so
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much pain and that bitter sweetness of being a parent.
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I've like, loving somebody so much that you're willing to let
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them go because that's what's best for that person.
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It's So hard and it's gutting. Yeah, I want to know how many
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takes they took on that one? Because if it was multiple
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fucking Kudos because it would be one of those scenes that
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would drain me if I had to do it more than once, but if they did
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it one time kudos to the nth degree because yeah that's
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that's some fucking skill. These people aren't they are top
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notch actors and actresses. They're all honestly to a tee
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too good for sir. We have stuff like a walking
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carpet, you know? And, and then we have this stuff
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from and or I mean, we love both for what they are.
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Yes, they're different. They're different entities
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completely. Yeah.
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And I like that, though. I like it.
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I like that YouTube, this actually is growing Star Wars.
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So that's why I always wanted to write fanfiction is because I
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wanted to like Elevate Star Wars.
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Not that Star Wars is not elevated because it's all As Lee
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we've done how many shows, you know all about this but I wanted
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to see like what it would be like if you took Star Wars and
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turned it into like classic literature and this is basically
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what it would be. This is like just AF ski or you
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know yes basically and or is if you turn Star Wars into
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something classical so yes. Yes.
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Well that's my first one out of this list.
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That's good. It's one of my favorite scenes
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in the I'll show ya. It really it stuck out to me and
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it had to be on this list. It's just, it's so it's just so
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good to me. Marva has a lot of good things
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to say. She's on my list three times.
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But I mostly, I we could do a whole episode just about Marva
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and here, amazing acting her missing dialogue, everything
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about her is I love. I love, Fiona Shaw with my whole
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heart. She really I she should know how
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much she's loved. I hope she does.
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So It's yours. My God.
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Oh, my, my first one is also a Cassie unquote.
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It's from the episode. The axe forgets.
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Hmm. And I've talked about all my
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quotes already in other episodes, but I'm going, I
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wanted to talk about them again because I want to, like, deep
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dive into it a little bit more. Yeah.
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So this is the one where they're on their way to L.E and skiing
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puts a knife to Cassie and throat and like, starts this
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little fight. Yes, this is, and it's such a
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great scene. And cerumen says, you think
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we're scared and casting says, I know you are and he says, of
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course, I'm afraid because they accuse him of being scared.
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And he says, of course, I'm afraid.
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But there's a difference between fear and losing your nerve.
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You want out of this. Make a choice.
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Don't use me as an excuse. I love that.
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It's brilliant. It's so brilliant.
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It, we discussed this before. That one of the reasons I love
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this scene is it doesn't go the way.
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Most people would write this seat.
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Right. It was usually turn into a
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pissing match but really what it what it really is showing and
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this is why I love casts Ian's character so much.
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It shows that yes he knows how to control his fear and he has
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since he was a child, you know, he lost his parents, his sister
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his adoptive parents. Like his father adopted father
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was murdered in front of him. He was sent to prison all of
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this shit taught him to control his But this also shows that he
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is really intelligent intuitive and perceptive, like he has a
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full understanding of everyone in this group, but never says it
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out loud unless he has to, yeah, they totally underestimate him.
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They think he doesn't, they don't know a thing about him
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because he's really closed off and good at protecting himself,
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but he's reading everybody in the room and can not just
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manipulate that but like use that to protect himself and
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That's basically like what is doing in this scene and I just
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God, I love it so much. I really think that this that
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line is very inspiring because if I could remember if, if I
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could I'm doing it right now. I can remember numerous times
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where I am fucking scared to do something.
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Make a big life decision, right? Get on an airplane for 10 hours
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at a time. I'm scared.
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I'm openly scared about doing that.
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Or I was But you have to remember, there's a difference
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between feeling the fear and doing it anyways which is don't
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lose your nerve. Yes.
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And going into a thing like I'll Donny.
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They would be fools to say I'm not scared scared fear.
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Keeps you protected in a way. Yeah but not losing.
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Your nerve is pushing past that and getting a job done and doing
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what needs to be done. Like Cassie and has always done
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right up until what happens in fucking Rogue one.
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Exactly, that's scary shit. In the the best part is if you
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think about Jin. She's right there with them.
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Mmm, she knows the difference between being scared and not
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losing your nerve. It's really refreshing.
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Actually, just be a hero who's afraid.
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Courage is not the absence of fear.
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Not courage is doing a thing in spite of fear and its really
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interesting too because he kind of doesn't display fear as
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filmmakers. They keep him very kind of
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neutral it away. He's just there, observing kind
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of making his way he needs them to trust.
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Him but not because he believes in their cause but because he
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doesn't, he wants to survive and walk away.
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Yeah, that's what he's trying to do.
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So I just find this so interesting because it's and
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this is actually something I'm going to say about another
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quote. I have Still Waters Run Deep
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with this character. Mmm what you see on Cassie and
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surface is not the whole story and I love that.
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It's so it's so satisfying to watch it unfold.
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It's really a A testament to how good of a Rebel Spy he ends up
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being, I mean, hmm. Everything that he's gone
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through leading up to when he becomes a rebel is really what
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sets, the stage for him becoming so successful.
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And he hasn't lost his Humanity because we see in Rogue one, he
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doesn't shoot Jin's father, like he's supposed to.
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Yeah, he's still, he's very cerebral.
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He thinks things through, he observes, he reads the room.
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This quote, I mean, and the best part is, is the Writing you
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could say exactly what he said and make it a whole paragraph
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but he did it in one line, right?
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And this would normally, like, turn into a fist punch in.
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Like, yeah. Like we said, like a pissing
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match between these two men, but what he's really doing is
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pointing out like it's normal first of all that you're all
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afraid, but don't use me as exactly use that you're scared.
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Leave me out of your bullshit and I just hope it's so much
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easier to put it on someone else right than to carry the weight
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of it yourself. And that's very human.
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But he recognizes that and he's like one step ahead of these
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people at all times in this. I just love the whole world on E
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everything about all Donnie is great.
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Yeah, I mean like right up some when he shoots skiing it's like
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he's still even though he's skiing is like revealing his
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Ploy and that he's a liar all at once, a kiss scene makes a
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decision and as you know it s because and I've heard Diego
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Luna. Talk about this if someone asked
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him why his character killed him so quickly and he said it was
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the first. Time he realized how dangerous
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it was to have people around you.
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That could betray you and that you couldn't trust sure.
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Yeah, yeah, it's like, yeah. Well, hmm, I mean, somebody like
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that is skiing, is never going to change.
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No clean out. Any now, you're not gonna change
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his mind. You're not going to talk him out
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of it. He'll just betray you down the
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line. By playing you a fool again, so
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ya gotta go. Okay, well, what's another one
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of yours? I chose this one because it's
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part of a. I remember the first time I
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heard This in the scene and I fucking cheered.
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So this is why this quote is on this list and it's part of a
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much bigger entity of things, which we know the quote is never
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more than 12 by Keno Loi. And the reason I chose this is
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number one, it was at this moment because they're asking
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him how many guards, how many guards, how many patrolman,
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whatever and he's been denying and denying and I'm not getting
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it. Involved.
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Just put your head down and do your work or I'll trust trying
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to get out of here right? Push away push away, push away
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and at that point he's in yeah and he answers Cassian, never
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more than 12 and I fucking love this moment because Andy Serkis,
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okay, I fucking love this man but due to his character wanted
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nothing to do with any of this, right?
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He just wanted out, it's kind of Parallel to cast it.
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He didn't want anything to do with this rebellion and once he
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saw him was in, he knew he had to be devoted.
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And key knows the exact same way.
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It got to a point where he could no longer be a bystander and
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when he said never more than 12, that was the moment he committed
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to doing what ended up happening and it was everything beyond
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that is just beautiful as a supplement, his speech.
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When he repeats what Cassie and says, I'd rather die.
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Dying to take them down, then died, giving them what they
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want. Yeah, is is like the full circle
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of him saying never more than 12 because he commits to that
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before he even realizes, like, that's what's going on.
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So, mmm, I cheered when he has his hands behind his back in the
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hallway and he says, never more than 12.
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And I remember I say, yes, he's in, he's fucking, and he's in,
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like, here we go. You know, you know, he's like
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crossed the point of no return. That's it.
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And I love when characters do that, they make that choice and
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they move forward. And it's the heroic thing to do,
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it's going to be risky, it's gonna cost, you know, that it's
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never free. The choices are never free.
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Ah, so good. We wouldn't have one way out
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without the words never more than 12.
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So that's very true. It's very true.
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I think that episode where he says Says that.
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And then they come to the next episode.
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That's where he and Cassie. And I kind of like working
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together to kind of make a plan. I love all that dialogue, but
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yeah, I mean them. Yes, it's so good.
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Those those actors together. It's like, it's so Dynamic.
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I just fucking love it. I can't get enough of it.
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I know. And I want to go on and do the
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whole speech that Keno, gives because he's so apprehensive at
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first, he does, he's unsure of himself.
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He's not a speech Giver, he's just a hard-working man.
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I knew just was good at what he did there and he's been
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betrayed. He had no idea that they were
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fucking with him, you know? And so he liberates these other
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prisoners with his words and his encouragement and his
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leadership. And I know I'm slipping in more
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quotes, but it's all part of this.
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He says something, like, if we work as hard to get out of here,
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as we do work everyday. Well, we'll be home or something
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to that effect. It's like so fucking moving
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because these guys are hard workers, and they thought they
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were going to get out. Out every day, just one more
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day. One more day gets knocked off
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their sins, but it wasn't anything like that.
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It's just, it's fucking brilliant.
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This fucking show is a getting excited.
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I just Andy Serkis is the perfect Keno lawyer.
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I'm sorry like he is, he is because you believe his
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strength, you believe his fierceness.
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And then you believe when he breaks.
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Yes. And it's just so sincere and
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fucking devastated. Devastating.
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Anyway, that's my choice. I love I could talk about the
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whole prison Arc. Oh my God.
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Yes, I want to. We didn't really dive into that
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too much when we were doing our Recaps and there's like, little
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details in there. I want to talk about like how
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Cassie and notices right from the beginning that they're
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understaffed gets one of the first things you notice is that
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there's extra boots on the wall, which means there's not enough
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people there to keep them under control.
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There's so many Little details, Leah.
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I'm the detail of the shape of the prison itself is the Empire
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symbol which is also the shape of mon mothma is hallway door,
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which is also her personal prison.
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We've talked about this. We shared pictures on our
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Instagram and Twitter of the shit that Pentagon.
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I'm sorry, not pet hexagon octagon, it's an octagon.
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It's 6:00. You know what it actually is.
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I looked it up. It's the separatist symbol of
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the separatist. Aha.
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Yes, right. Yes, you have it.
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I mean it was I thought it was the Empire symbol to in the
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Empire. Has one extra side.
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It does leave. You're right though so it's the
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separatist symbol that they've been using which I think is so
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interesting. That's even more interesting to
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me. Like why would they choose that?
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I know why they would choose that.
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There's all there's a whole bunch of reasons.
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Okay anyway what's your next one?
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I can't wait to hear. Okay, my next one is a mon
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mothma quote. Oh I love This so much.
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It's from the episode announcement.
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Uh-huh. And she's talking to teh in
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their little party that they are throwing at their house.
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Yes, yes, yes. And she's, it's on my list, too.
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Is it a go ahead? So, she's talking, she's trying
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to like, figure out how she can confide in him, because she
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needs his help, but they're both not quite sure where they
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actually stand politically yet. And they realized they both hate
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the Empire like Very extremely. And mon mothma says, she's
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talking about the perception of herself and she says, it's a
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lie. The mon mothma people think they
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know is a lie. It's a projection.
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It's a front. I've learned from Palpatine.
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I show you the stone in my hand. You miss the knife at your
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throat. Yes, holy fuck.
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I, just when I heard that line, the first time I paused it
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because I was like that is one of the most beautiful.
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All pieces of Pros. Like the dialogue is, is
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beautiful and it's delivered by Genevieve and been miles who
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plays tasty just like to Perfection.
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Uh-huh. But what I love is the deeper
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implication of it that it's a glimpse into Mon mothma.
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Has silent intellect right then again, Still Waters Run Deep.
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What you see on the surface is not what's going on underneath
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and she to a Alice Observer, who's not really paying
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attention, because if you are paying attention, she kind of
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does play her hand. And tip our hand a little bit
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with her passion and her compassion, and all of that.
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But she's, we're also seeing that she's like duplicitous.
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Right now, we're actually seeing how she does have multiple
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existences. She has to translate who she is
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in two different worlds. She has to deal with the Empire,
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but she's also creating this Rebellion that's Underground.
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Round. And it also shows this line of
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show you the stone in my hand. You missed the knife at your
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throat. We're seeing her willingness to
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be ruthless in a way. We never saw in the Clone Wars,
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we saw it in Palpatine and I think it's extremely important
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that she quotes Palpatine. Mmm, that's what he's been doing
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all along. It's truly amazing for her to
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see like Palpatine's. Yeah, who Actions.
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Even back in the Clone Wars, you know, and she is not afraid to
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use his own tactics against him. This is a woman I admire yes I
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gotta say I have the second half of that quote as on my list.
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Oh do you I do? It's great.
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May I read it because it was leaves lie.
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She says, in the same dialogue this Pros as long as everyone
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thinks Simon irritation. There's a good chance.
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They'll Miss what? I'm really doing and it settles
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over her bestie there. What's his name?
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Tay Tay it settles over and there's a moment and then she's
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like smile. Don't forget to keep the mask
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on, you know, is I got it, so, it's good.
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She's so fucking Charming. It's so good because my God,
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there's there's a lot. Unpack in just that she is a
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multi-dimensional woman on a mission and the stakes are
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getting higher and she's ready to play.
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Like, she's really ready like for a while she kinda
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second-guesses like what are you doing when she talks to Lutheran
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in the museum? Yeah, she said, don't you know
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that like poking them is going to start shit and he's like,
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yeah, that's why I'm doing it. So for a while she was a little
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afraid, but just like all these other characters we've been
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talking about once they commit their in.
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There's no turning back. Yes, you're so right.
24:00
Right. That is like the theme right
24:02
within this show that these characters are like, she in
24:06
particular, and actually Cassian and Keenan alloy.
24:10
They're all surrounded by danger.
24:12
Every area of their life is dangerous.
24:16
You know, she's got a spy as her driver but also she can't trust
24:21
her husband and her daughter hates her guts and would
24:24
probably sell her out because of all that.
24:28
She's not only just backed into a corner.
24:31
At this point, you know who she going to turn to but herself,
24:35
she has only herself to rely on and the fact that she doesn't
24:39
shrink away and disappear and go hide somewhere and said she does
24:43
the complete opposite where she openly opposes the Empire,
24:46
empirical overreach, you know, I just think it's, she is one of
24:51
the most fascinating characters, I'll say, female characters, but
24:55
just characters in general and Star Wars because of this
24:59
writing, but also Genevieve's. Performance as well just so
25:02
fucking good. Oh my God, I could watch her all
25:05
day. I could watch her read the phone
25:07
book. Yes, I do.
25:09
Yeah, I want to touch on the fact of their choice in scene,
25:14
setting this scene and having this moment between her and she
25:18
and Tay, they could have had them alone in a room but no,
25:21
they kept him out, right? Come to moving kept the, you
25:25
know, the people around and stuff in the fact that she's
25:28
Whispering makes it even more. For She's So composed and she
25:33
has like the straight spine in the Poise of a senator and all
25:37
this flashiness in the opulence of this party and all these
25:41
double cross. And people, you know, she's
25:43
surrounded by and she's still having this conversation just
25:46
slightly under just not quite a whisper, not quite a you know,
25:51
it's just a low hum of a tone and and he's just absorbing it
25:56
and she's coaching him through it.
25:57
Like just smile, don't don't look away, just bear with me.
26:00
Me, you know, you know my political Endeavors are hard for
26:04
you too. May not be your taste or
26:05
something, and she's she's kind of being widely, but she's
26:08
keeping it at a whisper and I think it was brilliant because
26:11
there could have been a thousand different ways they could have
26:14
had this scene, but they chose to have her whisper and there's
26:18
something really impactful. Yeah, about the whispered aspect
26:24
of her delivering all these lines.
26:26
It's really, really cool. I think it shows that she has Of
26:31
Steel even though we don't think she does.
26:33
And she shows vulnerability for sure which is very human and
26:37
realistic. But when it comes down to it,
26:39
this woman has got some cojones that's why she ends up leading
26:45
this shit. I mean, I think it's seriously,
26:47
I would follow her to any end. Yes.
26:51
Yeah, she's amazing. And what if her and Marva ever
26:54
met, I think they would have really liked each other.
26:57
They would have received the hell out of each other.
26:59
Yeah, I'm very excited. Cited to see how she meets
27:02
Cassian. Because we know she does.
27:03
She's in the room with him in Rogue one.
27:05
So, there is some moment where they're cross, their paths are
27:10
going to cross, that will be interesting to see.
27:14
I also want to note in this scene if you listen to the
27:16
music, it's very and or esque but it also has this like
27:21
humming building in the background like building up in
27:24
the background that is almost identical to the background
27:29
that's going on in Return of the Jedi when Luke is fighting Vader
27:33
in front of my goodness, I have to re-watch.
27:36
I just watched it. I didn't pick up on any of that
27:38
because I'm so enthralled. By watching her speak Genevieve
27:43
and the delivery of her entire Beach, or lying or conversation
27:47
or whatever. Yeah, I need to go back and
27:49
listen, that's very cool. I didn't time.
27:51
It was fun that I noticed that the first time I watched it even
27:54
because it grows really slowly. You don't notice it at first and
27:58
then all of a sudden you're like, what am I like, there's
28:00
something. Thing that catches about he
28:02
catches your attention. Yeah one but you've noticed
28:04
that. Yes it's like the emperor's
28:08
overbearing presence. You know I hate the fucking a I
28:13
hate you palps. Fuck you palps.
28:22
Pong Krell gets a day off. So was that your number three?
28:30
That I mean the quote okay yeah but I have another okay well go
28:35
for it then. I mean this could be my three.
28:38
I have to go back to Marva nice because this moment is so
28:45
poignant. It's during the clanking, the
28:48
miners, they're all yanking and it's for a reason.
28:53
It was brilliant but she says gets to you doesn't it?
28:57
That's what a reckoning sounds. Like, you want it to stop but it
29:00
just keeps coming. It's when it stops, that's when
29:04
you'll really want to start to fret.
29:07
And she's right because when it stops all fucking hell, breaks
29:13
loose. Yep.
29:15
And yet because what the sound is the build-up?
29:18
It is. And they're distracting with
29:20
the. What are they doing?
29:21
Why are they playing? What are these people doing,
29:23
what? You know, and it's a Silent
29:25
Communication. Not not silent but it's a
29:28
wordless. It's communication.
29:30
Yeah between the people and she says in her death speech like
29:34
we've always had each other, you know.
29:36
And it's so evident in the way that they're synchronized and
29:39
they do this and of course we have the guy up on the Bell
29:41
Tower with the when that big Clank and of the stone there man
29:46
is a spirit animal here. I fucking love that, man.
29:50
I love him but I just the Reckoning start.
29:56
The Reckoning stuff is It's kind of it bleeds through the entire
30:01
series, and it's summed up in her words in this quote and I
30:05
fucking love it. It's such a good moment because
30:08
she, she's the one who's being oppressed right there in her
30:12
home. Yeah.
30:13
She's over there. She's just sitting in the chair
30:15
and she's smiling almost coyly. Yeah, and the way the guys start
30:20
to get really nervous hearing a noise and then she just Praise
30:24
on their nervousness. Yeah.
30:25
Since to play with them, gets to you, doesn't it?
30:28
I mean, I just love that. What are they gonna say to an
30:32
old woman? You know, she's.
30:34
No, he's not threatening. Is she oh bitch?
30:37
Yes, she is even after she dies. She'll get you again.
30:41
So Marvel's my hero. Yeah, is, I would like, I would
30:47
like to be friends with Marva. I would like to visit her every
30:49
day. I just love it.
30:51
That's my, that's my final quote.
30:53
I fucking love it. It's amazing.
30:55
It's just with the clanking. That's such a smart and creative
31:02
way to execute something like that.
31:04
And it's and it really, it really shows how well they knew
31:08
that community that hit they had built for this show.
31:12
Yeah, the miners and the the usage of their elements that
31:16
they have all gather as once using the using what they
31:21
selvedge using, what they work on in all these things.
31:24
And they don't know anyone from the outside has no idea, it's so
31:27
good. It's so good.
31:30
It's so it's brilliant. It's really, it's really,
31:32
really, it is some of the most incredible World building I've
31:35
ever seen and it's not piggybacking off of really
31:39
anything else that exists except Rogue one.
31:42
But even then it's so different. It's, it's honestly we don't see
31:48
anything else like it and we don't see much of it, there's a
31:52
wreckage yard and then there's the community and that's all we
31:56
need to see to have this picture and it's really about The spirit
31:59
of the people that end up making it more than what it is.
32:01
The fact that they put bricks with ashes in them, right?
32:06
Yeah. It's just a, what a cool
32:09
concept. The whole thing from top to
32:11
bottom is really smart. I think I think so too.
32:15
And the the that the brick thing in particular shows you the
32:19
writers had an idea of what life on Fair, Oaks was from birth to
32:22
death. Yes.
32:23
Yes, yes, yes. So they had a general trajectory
32:26
in their mind of like what other Standard Life Would.
32:28
It'd be like there and they never bore us to death with
32:33
Exposition they don't explain. They just be you know like they
32:39
just act. Yeah.
32:41
We've we've caught on to it, you know like you don't have to over
32:46
explain and that's why I love this show.
32:48
They just drop you in and you're on your way, you know.
32:51
Like they'd never said that you Lauren was yularen right?
32:56
You know you just yeah. Just put it together because
33:00
holy shit that's you'll are and that's you look like that makes
33:03
me so sad. It does me too but like that's
33:06
damn it Star Wars pain say it with me.
33:13
The pain. Okay.
33:18
So my last one. Yeah it is.
33:21
I'm curious. It's a saw gerrera quote I yes I
33:25
was okay. Yes.
33:27
Yes because I fucking He loves, ah, Guerrero, he's too, and it's
33:31
really Forest Whitaker, but also this writing is all part of it.
33:34
Well, I did anyone be sought after for?
33:37
No, no, no. I know that there's a voice
33:41
actor who plays him but he doesn't bring the lunacy to the
33:44
characters away. Forest.
33:45
Whitaker's office, lunacy is the fucking word that was perfectly
33:49
put because he's got kind of like wild eyes and a wild hair
33:53
about them anyway, you know you like yes one you could see one
33:57
Miss Kim on the wrong day. There's Wire loose you know and
34:01
he'll use that water to blow you up.
34:03
Yes. He's so this is really just a
34:08
whole exchange kind of between saw and luthan and I just
34:12
fucking love it so very much but it's the part where saw says
34:17
Kriegers a separatist Maya pays at Nia Republican, the Gorman
34:21
front, the partisan Alliance sick tourists human cultists.
34:26
Galaxy partition has their lost all of I'm lost lost.
34:30
What are you? Luthan.
34:31
I never really knew what are you?
34:34
This is the line. I love so much when he says, I
34:37
am the only one with Clarity of purpose, Clara and Lutheran's
34:42
responses. Well, Anarchy is a seductive
34:45
concept, a bit of a luxury. I'd argue to a man who is hiding
34:48
in cold caves and begging for spare parts.
34:51
Now, first of all, Round of Applause for saying that to saw,
34:56
gerrera is face. Yeah.
34:58
Right? He actually laughed in his face
35:01
and song. It's so offended and what he
35:06
doesn't kill him. There's a odds amount of respect
35:09
there. Yes.
35:11
After he says that saw gives it. You see this miniscule?
35:15
Fluctuation, and Forest Whitaker's eyes where he's like,
35:18
am I gonna kill him? And then he just his face
35:22
softens and he just laughs and is like no sale today.
35:24
Luthan? Yeah, fuck you.
35:27
Yeah, yeah, exactly. I'm just don't know which
35:30
version of him you're gonna get, but I've talked about this quote
35:34
before I love it. It's brilliant.
35:37
And I love like the dark humor that Stellan Skarsgård brings to
35:40
the whole situation. But I wanted to talk about the
35:45
specific words that saw uses because I kind of did a little
35:49
research on them, okay. You can look them up in on
35:52
Wikipedia and they'll give you like a very vague reference
35:55
within the Star Wars universe, but I looked up what they mean
35:58
in. Our universe.
35:59
Okay. So a sec turist spelled the way
36:03
they spell, it is actually a Romanian word 04, a police
36:09
officer who is in charge of a very specific area that he
36:12
patrols. Okay, makes sense.
36:15
So if you think of this, in terms of that.
36:17
Yeah, like in the Rebellion, there are like little areas that
36:20
little rebellions, like little partisans, whatever you want to
36:24
call them, they're like in their own little spot, right?
36:27
They Patrol that area and They say, fuck you to the Empire but
36:30
they're not part of the larger, the larger picture when he says
36:34
human cultists, we know the word called we know like what that
36:39
means but specifically what it means is a cultist is one who
36:43
exhibits great Devotion to a person idea object or movement
36:48
and human cultist implies anti other species true.
36:54
Yes. Oh so and they enter talk about
36:58
that a bit. In Rebel Rising how there's some
37:01
talk about, how so we'll work with another group and that
37:05
group hates humans. You know.
37:07
It's like it's just interesting to think about the like quote
37:10
unquote racism among. Yeah the alliance.
37:15
You know what's interesting though is that I never get an
37:18
overarching that I never get a sense of galactical racism in
37:25
Star Wars because it seems like they're all A pretty chill with
37:29
all these different alien and humanoid species.
37:33
It's just ironically enough. They're trying to eradicate the
37:38
Jedi, like they're trying to wipe out a set of individuals
37:45
that are strong in the force and it's the really any race as long
37:50
as they're strong in the force. It's really crazy.
37:53
So it's interesting to look at it from this point of view that.
37:56
Yeah, I guess I never thought of it.
37:58
What's the term again? Cult is human.
38:01
Cultic human cultist. Yeah, that's yeah.
38:03
I mean, it's got to exist. I believe one like saw has a
38:06
really good perspective on it because he has been a partisan.
38:11
Yeah. Basically, because he was not a
38:13
separatist nor is the Republic either back in the Clone Wars
38:17
when we met him. So he's always been like On The
38:20
Fringe. So he has this whole other
38:22
perspective of Rebel Fighters and how they and even here where
38:26
he won't work with the intro Krieger, You know, because he's
38:29
an ox, you know? Yeah.
38:31
But the other word he uses it's a partition assist and that is a
38:34
very specific term that talks about dividing politically
38:39
dividing up a country. And so like Ireland was
38:43
partitioned in 1912. India was partitioned in 1947
38:49
both by Britain by the way. Nobody's Empire.
38:53
Yeah. And what they do is they take a
38:55
country that exists already and basically choppy in an Put up
38:59
delineating areas like walls and shit like that, and make new
39:04
pieces of government that run each of these areas.
39:07
And so he's talking about people who are local policing who are
39:13
racist, who are trying to divide, you know, places that
39:17
already exist, that might even already be United.
39:21
And this is why what Lutheran is saying to him about.
39:24
We have to work together. He's like, that's never going to
39:27
happen. Yeah, yeah.
39:28
Yeah, and I just enjoyed digging deeper into that because like on
39:33
the surface. Yes, we get it.
39:34
But if you want to dig deeper that, you know, they did when
39:37
they wrote it right. Like the whole use of the word
39:40
sector wrist is, that's very specific.
39:44
Yeah. There's somebody on the writing
39:46
Team new. Yeah, exactly.
39:49
These are all factions of developing War and the
39:54
underbelly of it. And I think it's really smart
39:57
and I didn't know any of that. But it lends a depth to that
40:00
scene now. Yeah, it makes saw seem less
40:03
crazy. Yeah, which is crazy.
40:06
All right, because he is a saying it with this like a crazy
40:11
look in his eye. But if you think of it, it's
40:13
like this is his perspective of why it's never going to work and
40:18
luthan has his head in the clouds.
40:20
Where's luthan is looking at it from.
40:22
If we don't do this, we literally will not be able to
40:24
stop the Empire from growing to the point where it will
40:27
overwhelm us. True, I mean they both have
40:29
their points. Yeah I still think to this day
40:33
that saw gerrera as a character. He was wronged.
40:37
He's guilty. He feels guilt that will never
40:40
go away and he is out to get people because of it under the
40:46
guise of fighting against the empire.
40:49
Yeah, I think he doesn't know what else to do with himself
40:52
know. And I I do think in time when he
40:57
meets others, he This sort of conversation with Lutheran, he
41:00
even meets Jin, you know, his world gets expanded a little
41:04
bit. He begins to connect with others
41:06
and I think it does transition over to fight the Empire.
41:09
We see it kind of like when he lets Jin go and Rogue one.
41:14
Yeah, there's a greater purpose there but he's at the end of his
41:17
line and he probably sees all the mistakes he made in the
41:21
generalizations in the and the and the very focused need for
41:25
Revenge to hurt those that hurt. Him.
41:29
And that sort of thing, I totally get all of that, but
41:32
it's nice to see him kind of expand away from that in a way.
41:37
First idea, I think he's so interesting because he is just
41:42
not defined really. He kind of is and this is also
41:47
what makes him scary? Sometimes, it's you, never sure
41:51
what you're going to get from him and that's why I love that
41:53
scene between him and gin when she first sees him on Jetta.
41:58
Because he really does love her. He really thought he was doing
42:03
the right thing for her and she's like, you just fucking
42:05
abandoned me and he's like I think of you every day, it's
42:08
like what he's probably, he's been abandoned and he's probably
42:13
abandoned so many people that to him.
42:15
It's just a day that ends in y, but to her, it meant more.
42:20
Yeah, to, he was just protecting her and that's what it takes,
42:23
that's what you do. It's very cold and very better
42:26
than want to say. Data-driven But because it's not
42:30
data driven, it's more like, emotion driven, but it's like,
42:33
his experience is, it makes it difficult for him to have a, the
42:37
more sentimental side, I guess, or maybe because his sister
42:40
died. He doesn't want the sentimental
42:42
side. But right, I just enjoy watching
42:46
it because he is again, he's nothing like any character you
42:50
find anywhere else. He's so far from a cliche.
42:54
That is so incredibly fascinating and we know very
42:57
little about Him, we see him he drops in and out of stories but
43:02
that's enough for you to get a pretty good sense of, like I
43:05
said, the lunacy the lunacy of it all.
43:10
I do love them for it though. All of these individuals are
43:14
great and and there's so many others, there's so many other
43:17
lines. There's so many other characters
43:20
with stories and I mean, we didn't even touch on keros nemec
43:24
you know, he's got a whole episodes worth of lines that we
43:28
Talk about and we'll just have to do some more episodes where
43:32
we just bring. Okay, let's go.
43:34
Let's do it. Our audience question this week
43:46
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And or if you had to pick one, I know it's tough.
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But did we mention one of your It's and if so which one let us
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