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Could National Signing Day Soon Be A Thing Of The Past? · Buckeyes TomOrrow Morning

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Buckeyes tomorrow morning for Tuesday, September third. I'm
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  Speaker 1: your host, tom Or. The Western Michigan game is in
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  Speaker 1: four days, the game against Michigan in eighty eight days.
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  Speaker 1: And I know what you're thinking. I'm tired of college
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  Speaker 1: sports being just the same over and over. It's the
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  Speaker 1: same thing every month, every year. Why can't college sports
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  Speaker 1: finally make a change? Well, great news, friends, after years
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  Speaker 1: and years of stagnation and everything being the same, checks notes,
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  Speaker 1: no turns out everything is changed. Well, good news. Everything
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  Speaker 1: may be changing again in college sports. A new reporting
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  Speaker 1: out of Ross Dellinger from Yahoo says there could be
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  Speaker 1: big changes coming to college football, but as other sports
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  Speaker 1: as well as the what definition of amateurism continues to
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  Speaker 1: change some other things. It could be a new signing model,
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  Speaker 1: could be the change to the national letter of intent
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  Speaker 1: or the potentially the elimination of national letter of intent.
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to bring in Tony Gerderman of bucka hubble
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  Speaker 1: dot com. Tony, this all feels like it's all everything
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  Speaker 1: in college sports right now. It's just sort of fallout
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  Speaker 1: from various court losses, you know, the house case and
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  Speaker 1: other stuff. This feels like the NCAA probably taking the
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  Speaker 1: next step to maybe try and get ahead of, you know,
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  Speaker 1: future court losses.
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  Speaker 2: The thing you just said is crazy, the NCAA trying
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  Speaker 2: to get ahead of something and give them credit for
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  Speaker 2: finally catching up to what they should be doing, but
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  Speaker 2: or are just trying to outpace the laws coming their way.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, adding the five years and the different aspects
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  Speaker 2: of the common sense that we're trending towards and being like, okay,
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  Speaker 2: let's stop dragging our feet, let's stop being the stone
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  Speaker 2: wall in front of everybody. I'm looking at these rule
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  Speaker 2: proposals and the things that they've done over the years,
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  Speaker 2: and it's like it wasn't done recently. It wasn't that
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  Speaker 2: long ago where any of these things would just be
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  Speaker 2: like no, no, no, no. And we still just talk
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  Speaker 2: about two thousand and six Texas being kind of getting
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  Speaker 2: in trouble or trying to be punished for having too
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  Speaker 2: many pages in their media guide. Now there are no
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  Speaker 2: more media guides, Like we've come a long way, Tom.
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  Speaker 2: We don't print out paper anymore because you know, we're
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  Speaker 2: we're conscious about that. But back then, it's like it's
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  Speaker 2: a recruiting advantage if you print out too much paper
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  Speaker 2: and your media guide, so like they would create a
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  Speaker 2: media guide and then also a record book that would
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  Speaker 2: save them pages in the media guide. So it's like,
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  Speaker 2: this is what the NCAA was concerned about, rather than
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  Speaker 2: everything they're dealing with now. So, yes, and cream cheese
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  Speaker 2: for all.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, there were there were and he's not getting there
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  Speaker 1: were rules about what constituted permissible foods. And you could
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  Speaker 1: have bagels, but you couldn't have cream cheese for the
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  Speaker 1: bagels because that would constitute something different. And this was
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  Speaker 1: what the NCAA was worried about at a time when
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  Speaker 1: you could just sort of start to see the cracks
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  Speaker 1: forming in the foundations all around them, like this might,
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  Speaker 1: this might this building might have some structural issues. Like hey,
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  Speaker 1: but let's get back to that cream cheese, all right,
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  Speaker 1: So they are now past cream cheese. They've set all
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  Speaker 1: that in the past. There are a number of potential
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  Speaker 1: changes coming. The first one you mentioned real briefly there
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  Speaker 1: the fifth year. Right now, In football and wrestling, athletes
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  Speaker 1: are permitted to appear in a certain number of games.
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  Speaker 1: So college football players, for example, can appear in four
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  Speaker 1: regular season games and still take a red shirt year
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  Speaker 1: that as soon as it went into effect, was just
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  Speaker 1: felt like an extremely common sense thing. We're good, you
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  Speaker 1: can play a little bit, but you're not without burning
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  Speaker 1: a year, but you can participate a little bit. You
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  Speaker 1: can feel a little bit more like the team. Probably
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  Speaker 1: some stuff to learn from. Now. It sounds tony like
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  Speaker 1: that could be coming to other sports, potentially every other
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  Speaker 1: sport as well.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and it makes complete sense, like why would you
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  Speaker 2: permit it in football and wrestling and not permit it
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  Speaker 2: everywhere else?
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  Speaker 1: And I.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe ask Jake Deebler about this next time we talked
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  Speaker 2: to him. But for the basketball coaches angry? Does it
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  Speaker 2: make you? Did it make you that football could have
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  Speaker 2: a guy playing four games and four regular season games
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  Speaker 2: and then up to five postseason games and still you know,
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  Speaker 2: you're talking about let him play half the season and
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  Speaker 2: not affect his eligibility and where is the fairness and that?
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  Speaker 2: So it makes sense to go ahead and allow that
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  Speaker 2: in other sports. And it sounds like I don't know
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  Speaker 2: who would be against that other than maybe the administrators
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  Speaker 2: that don't want to pay for that fifth year, which
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  Speaker 2: there are some. But I did think it was interesting
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  Speaker 2: that there's a national network that aggregated ross Ellenger's piece
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  Speaker 2: that we're talking about with this report and this and
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  Speaker 2: the NCAA is considering adding a fifth year of eligibility
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  Speaker 2: in all sports while keeping the red shirt. So I
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  Speaker 2: quote tweeted that with five years of Jeremiah Smith question mark,
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  Speaker 2: and then I did have people tell me he's not
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  Speaker 2: going to be here beyond three years. So no, no,
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  Speaker 2: five years. This is just an adoption of the ongoing
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  Speaker 2: football redhi rule.
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  Speaker 1: This is why that Twitter gives you the thing where
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  Speaker 1: when you quote tweet something, it says, do you want
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  Speaker 1: to read the article first, Tony? This is why that's there.
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  Speaker 1: You are the cautionary tale for that.
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  Speaker 2: That's why they have community notes.
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  Speaker 1: But that's the only reason to it, the only reason
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  Speaker 1: why Jeremiah Smith will not be at a High State
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  Speaker 1: for five years. All right. Next up, it says the article.
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  Speaker 1: Other notable changes include with the documents describe as a
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  Speaker 1: quote new signing model with the elimination of the national
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  Speaker 1: letter of intent. And this is one of these things
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  Speaker 1: where there's not a ton of detail in there about
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  Speaker 1: what this would look like. You're still going to end
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  Speaker 1: up signing stuff, but it's not exactly clear when that
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  Speaker 1: would happen or what that would look like.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's my biggest question because if you open up,
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  Speaker 2: say this new signing model, anybody players can sign, but
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  Speaker 2: they can't sign until October thirtieth, Then October thirtieth becomes
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  Speaker 2: the new signing date. And it's just you're signing different things.
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  Speaker 2: You're signing different paperwork, You're signing the aid agreement, you're
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  Speaker 2: signing the ability for Ohio State to start providing financial benefits,
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  Speaker 2: whether that's part of the NIL stuff or whatever. Whatever,
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  Speaker 2: this eventually becomes. So like when is this? When is it?
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  Speaker 2: I would assume you can't do it before your senior year,
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  Speaker 2: but like do they wait until after the senior year?
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  Speaker 2: Or would coaches rather get it done locked in so
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  Speaker 2: that there are no flips even though you can still
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  Speaker 2: transfer willy nilly, but once you're kind of locked in,
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  Speaker 2: you're more apt to stay. And do coaches want this
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  Speaker 2: to be done sooner? Do they want it to be
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  Speaker 2: done later so that they have opportunities to watch seniors?
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  Speaker 2: Like I know urban Meyer hated the early signing day
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  Speaker 2: because it limited what they could do for Ohio seniors
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  Speaker 2: because they didn't get enough chance to look at them
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  Speaker 2: and then talk to them afterwards and maybe from December
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  Speaker 2: to February really recruit some of these late bloomers. So
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  Speaker 2: if some of these late bloomers are choosing to sign earlier,
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  Speaker 2: then again you've got some schools missing out. So I
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  Speaker 2: would just like to know when does this happen, and
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  Speaker 2: then I would have a more thorough thought on it.
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  Speaker 2: But national letter of intent, like the letter of intent
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  Speaker 2: has never been necessary in terms of you don't need
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  Speaker 2: to sign one to go to that school.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that was always something where there were people who
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  Speaker 1: would not sign their letter of intent and you know,
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  Speaker 1: you could still enroll. That is a thing that has
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  Speaker 1: happened in the past. It was just a way to
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  Speaker 1: lock it in. It was more protection on the player's
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  Speaker 1: end to a certain degree. If you were a good
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  Speaker 1: enough player that you were not worried about it, you
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  Speaker 1: didn't have to do it once you if you weren't
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  Speaker 1: one hundred percent sure you wanted to end up at
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  Speaker 1: a school. So that's one change. There was a sort
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  Speaker 1: of just brief mention in here, and I thought, I
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  Speaker 1: don't know how much we've talked about that on the
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  Speaker 1: show before. This is something that came out a few
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  Speaker 1: weeks ago, but the NCAA is in process also of
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  Speaker 1: considering an elimination of the spring transfer portal window in football.
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  Speaker 1: That's one that would be kind of tony going the
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  Speaker 1: other direction. A lot of the trends right now in
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  Speaker 1: college football and college sports as a whole have been
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  Speaker 1: very pro player, where the players have more rights, the
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  Speaker 1: players have more opportunities to make money or the name,
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  Speaker 1: image of likeness, they have more opportunity to move between schools.
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  Speaker 1: They're not locked in the way that they used to be.
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  Speaker 1: That has sort of been the general trend in a
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  Speaker 1: lot of areas of college sports. This would be kind
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  Speaker 1: of going the other direction. I don't know how likely
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  Speaker 1: I think it is that this is or this will
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  Speaker 1: be to go through, or how well received it will be.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure it will be well received from coaches. I
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  Speaker 1: don't know how much players are going to love the
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  Speaker 1: idea that you have to transfer after the season in
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  Speaker 1: this one window and if you don't, well, then you're
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  Speaker 1: stuck for another year.
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  Speaker 2: Well, and I think what you'll see is a bunch
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  Speaker 2: of people. If I'm thinking about it, then I'm just
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  Speaker 2: going to do it if there's no spring window, because
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  Speaker 2: I'm thinking about it now, but you know what, let
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  Speaker 2: me go through spring and see how it goes. I'll
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  Speaker 2: use the time from December to April to make my decision.
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  Speaker 2: And now those players are gonna have to do it
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  Speaker 2: in that you know, thirty day window or whatever. But
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  Speaker 2: I do think that's enough time. I think I would
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  Speaker 2: love to see this happen because the I've seen the
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  Speaker 2: Tim Alban, Ohio University's head coach. I think seen interviews
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  Speaker 2: where they lost four or five or six starters to
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  Speaker 2: the portal after spring. So once you get through that
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  Speaker 2: winter portal, you should just be able to build your team.
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  Speaker 2: And you think you're building your team, You're putting all
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  Speaker 2: this effort into it. You think you've got your your
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  Speaker 2: line up set, and then four starters are like, we'll
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  Speaker 2: see you. Like that is that's not fair to that
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  Speaker 2: football team. It's not fair to those teammates. So I
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  Speaker 2: think I think one window is fine. But you're right,
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  Speaker 2: this is going backwards. But it's because they went so
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  Speaker 2: far forwards. This may be just correcting something, which there's
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  Speaker 2: gonna have to be a lot of correction for all
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  Speaker 2: of these things that have been open up in terms
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  Speaker 2: of just what is the happy medium, And you do
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  Speaker 2: have to find a happy medium. And they're not saying
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  Speaker 2: you can't transfer, but this is the window where you
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  Speaker 2: can get into the portal. And yeah, it's I wonder
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  Speaker 2: how players and their agents and their families will feel
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  Speaker 2: about it, but I do think one is enough. But
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  Speaker 2: you're going to see more people in there now because
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  Speaker 2: it's like, well, I just I there's no harm because
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  Speaker 2: I can always come back.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you have seen guys in the past leave and
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  Speaker 1: then come back. We saw that with Bryce and Rogers
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  Speaker 1: at Ohio State. He had went in the portal, ended
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  Speaker 1: up coming back and then had to catch in the
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  Speaker 1: first game against Akron. So yes, it is possible to
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  Speaker 1: enter the portal and then come back afterwards. One thing
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  Speaker 1: that has not been made clear here is what are
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  Speaker 1: the exceptions. They have laid out exceptions in the past.
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  Speaker 1: For if your co head coach leaves that there's a
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  Speaker 1: thirty day window that opens up, so you would assume
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  Speaker 1: that would that would remain the same. If your team
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  Speaker 1: gets a multi year postseason ban, is that something it
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  Speaker 1: would open a transfer it would open up a transfer
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  Speaker 1: portal window or is that not be an exception? So
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  Speaker 1: that's all still being laid out. These are all still
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  Speaker 1: just proposals. Just to remind you, this is not anything
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  Speaker 1: that's super imminent happened, and there's still some details to
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  Speaker 1: be ironed out or at least to be publicly revealed,
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  Speaker 1: so we will keep an eye on all that. The
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  Speaker 1: last interesting thing here was there's potentially a change, and
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  Speaker 1: this is a very pro athlete change again kind of
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  Speaker 1: going the same direction and a lot of other things
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  Speaker 1: before college enrollment. There is a proposed change to permit
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  Speaker 1: athletes to receive payment exceeding their expenses participating in an
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  Speaker 1: participation in an athletics event, to retain the provision one
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  Speaker 1: and eligibility, so you could potentially get prize money for something,
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  Speaker 1: you know, for participating in something, and still be considered
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  Speaker 1: an amateur or still be considered allowed to play in college.
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  Speaker 1: This is one where again I think this is potentially
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  Speaker 1: a bigger thing than it seems on its face, because
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  Speaker 1: that might change some of the models for pre college
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  Speaker 1: athletics where you might see more prize money in some
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  Speaker 1: of those things. If that then is an allowable thing
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  Speaker 1: where you could get prize money somewhere and then also
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  Speaker 1: play in college Is that a good thing or a
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  Speaker 1: bad thing. I don't know, but it might be a
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  Speaker 1: new thing.
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  Speaker 2: When I read that, I'm thinking large purses for seven
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  Speaker 2: on seven tournaments, you know, something like that, and televised
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  Speaker 2: them because TV needs all of the inventory that it
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  Speaker 2: can get. And if you get some sponsors, you can
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  Speaker 2: get some prize money in there. You get even more
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  Speaker 2: people involved, and it just kind of snowballs. I was
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  Speaker 2: also thinking, you know, now people can get prize money
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  Speaker 2: for fishing contests and noodling there in Oklahoma, you know,
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  Speaker 2: all kinds of benefits. But remember Jeremy Bloom, the Colorado
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  Speaker 2: State skier at football player, couldn't earn endorsements. Is this
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  Speaker 2: thirty years ago? Is this twenty five years ago?
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  Speaker 1: He was a Colorado not Colorado State, Colorado Buffalo's wide receiver.
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  Speaker 1: And that was in the I think the nineties or
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  Speaker 1: early two thousands. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, So it's like things are making more sense because
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  Speaker 2: you know, while you can't back then, it was anybody
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  Speaker 2: can endorse him, and now you're going to draw him
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  Speaker 2: to school, to a school, or to anybody else to
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  Speaker 2: a school. And now it's like, well we can do
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  Speaker 2: that now, but don't worry. None of it is enticing.
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  Speaker 2: There's no enticements. This is just rewarding players and giving
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  Speaker 2: them the free reign to market their names and identities.
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  Speaker 2: So I think this makes sense. I am interested to
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  Speaker 2: see what comes from it, because there anytime you create
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  Speaker 2: an opportunity for athletes to make money, there are other
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  Speaker 2: businessmen are like, hey, I could make money from this.
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  Speaker 2: Let's see what we can do here.
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  Speaker 1: Finally some money in AAU basketball. Oh boy, how that
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  Speaker 1: will change the Yes, this is the pro athlete side
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  Speaker 1: of my brain is going, this is fantastic, and the
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  Speaker 1: person who is around youth sports a lot is kind
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  Speaker 1: of going, I don't know, we'll see. We'll see what
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  Speaker 1: this does, Tony. It might make youth hockey parents crazy.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know who could say, can you imagine such
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  Speaker 1: a thing youth hockey parents being crazy, or youth baseball
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  Speaker 1: parents being crazy, or any any other youth sport you'd
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  Speaker 1: like to you'd like to see. It is definitely going
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  Speaker 1: to be a potentially if it goes through a significant
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  Speaker 1: change for college spoorts along with all this other stuff
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  Speaker 1: that we talked about. So we will be talking about
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