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Set 2: GBF- Week 1 Lies Exposed (w/Todd McShay) · Stugotz and Company

• 0:10
  Speaker 1: God bless football, Mikey. God bless football, Taylor.
• 0:16
  Speaker 2: God bless football, Stu.
• 0:17
  Speaker 3: Thank you, Taylor. Todd McShay in about 15, 20 minutes here.
• 0:20
  Speaker 3: Taylor has a game. You have a question for us
• 0:22
  Speaker 3: about teams that lied to us in week one.
• 0:25
  Speaker 1: How do you want to play this game, Taylor?
• 0:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so the question that I have for you guys is,
• 0:30
  Speaker 2: What team in the NFL did week one lie the
• 0:34
  Speaker 2: most about? And then who did week one tell the
• 0:36
  Speaker 2: most truth about?
• 0:39
  Speaker 1: Mikey, you have any candidates here? Okay, so yeah, I'll start.
• 0:44
  Speaker 4: Week one told us the truth about the LA Chargers.
• 0:47
  Speaker 4: They are not good. Justin Herbert is your favorite NFL analyst,
• 0:53
  Speaker 4: favorite quarterback, but he is not a good player. He's
• 0:58
  Speaker 4: just He might look the part, but that team is
• 1:02
  Speaker 4: in bad shape. And you look at their upcoming schedule,
• 1:06
  Speaker 4: losing at home to the Cardinals and Raiders before the
• 1:09
  Speaker 4: gauntlet they're about to go through. This season could be
• 1:14
  Speaker 4: over really quick for that team.
• 1:16
  Speaker 2: Mikey, I was actually power ranking quarterbacks in the AFC West.
• 1:19
  Speaker 1: Why? Taylor's tears on a Tuesday.
• 1:23
  Speaker 2: I was power ranking quarterbacks in the AFC West and
• 1:27
  Speaker 2: Justin Herbert out of the four teams in the AFC
• 1:29
  Speaker 2: West was my fifth best quarterback in that division.
• 1:32
  Speaker 1: Which backup was better?
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  Speaker 5: Mendoza?
• 1:34
  Speaker 1: Mendoza.
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  Speaker 2: The unknown of Mendoza is better than the known of
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  Speaker 2: Justin Herbert.
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  Speaker 3: Wait, so you now have Kirk Cousins and Mendoza ahead
• 1:43
  Speaker 3: of Justin Herbert?
• 1:44
  Speaker 1: Yep.
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  Speaker 2: So I had Patrick Mahomes, one.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: Bo Nix, two.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: Cousins, three. Mendoza, four. Justin Herbert, five.
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  Speaker 6: All right.
• 1:56
  Speaker 3: I have a team that I feel like told us
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  Speaker 3: the truth in week one. Am I playing the game correctly?
• 2:00
  Speaker 1: No, that's what I just did. Okay, good.
• 2:02
  Speaker 2: Thanks.
• 2:02
  Speaker 3: I just wanted to make sure. It's a confusing game.
• 2:04
  Speaker 3: The Dolphins told the truth in week one. They told
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  Speaker 3: us they were bad. And in week two, they proved it.
• 2:09
  Speaker 1: They are really bad.
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  Speaker 2: Stu Yachts, in Miami, what I think we have developing,
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  Speaker 2: I think Jeff Halfley is having his Cam Cameron season.
• 2:19
  Speaker 1: Really, is 1-15, yeah?
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  Speaker 2: Well, first off, I think they're worse than 1-15. I
• 2:24
  Speaker 2: think this team has 0-17 potential.
• 2:27
  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: And I think this has one-and-done season potential for Jeff
• 2:30
  Speaker 2: Halfley because I'm watching the Dolphins yesterday. When the punter
• 2:34
  Speaker 2: drops the ball and just kind of summarizes the Dolphins' season,
• 2:38
  Speaker 2: what you expect the Dolphins' season to be in 2026,
• 2:41
  Speaker 2: I'm looking at Jeff Halfley on the sideline differently now,
• 2:44
  Speaker 2: and I'm like, man, this guy, we got to get
• 2:46
  Speaker 2: this guy stink out of Miami.
• 2:47
  Speaker 1: Ha, ha, ha, ha. I don't think it's one season
• 2:50
  Speaker 1: and done for Halfley, I think. Do you, Mikey?
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  Speaker 2: If he goes 0-17, you're bringing that guy back?
• 2:55
  Speaker 3: If he goes 0-17, he has done his job, which
• 2:57
  Speaker 3: is tank to get arch.
• 2:59
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's what they brought him in here to do.
• 3:06
  Speaker 3: I mean, I have to feel like Stephen Ross would be,
• 3:08
  Speaker 3: he'd be more excited at 0-17 than he would be at,
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  Speaker 3: I don't know, 8-9.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, why wouldn't you?
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  Speaker 3: If you're going to be bad, be really, really bad.
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  Speaker 3: And they're going to be historically bad.
• 3:17
  Speaker 1: I like it.
• 3:18
  Speaker 2: But you've seen some coaches in the NFL be as
• 3:21
  Speaker 2: bad as any coaches can be in the NFL. Even
• 3:24
  Speaker 2: those bad coaches, when they're trying to lose all their games,
• 3:28
  Speaker 2: stumble into the occasional win. And I'm looking at this
• 3:32
  Speaker 2: Dolphins team, and I don't see any wins coming for them.
• 3:35
  Speaker 1: Really?
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  Speaker 3: Not even maybe the Jets at home or something like that?
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  Speaker 2: I don't think this team could stumble into a win.
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  Speaker 1: But they're not trying to. So, again, I mean, Halfley
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  Speaker 1: in Steven Ross's mind might be the coach of the year.
• 3:51
  Speaker 1: it's impossible if he if.
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  Speaker 3: We just had one vote and steven ross was the
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  Speaker 3: only one voting uh he might vote halfway go to
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  Speaker 3: the year all right mikey do you have another team.
• 4:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah i think there was a big lie told in
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  Speaker 4: week one about the denver broncos i think it was
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  Speaker 4: a i think it was a bad loss for them
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  Speaker 4: i think they looked a lot worse than they are
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  Speaker 4: I think they came out against a good Jacksonville team.
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  Speaker 4: The defense showed up the way they were supposed to.
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  Speaker 4: The offense did what they do. I think week one
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  Speaker 4: lied to us about the Denver Broncos.
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  Speaker 2: Mikey, the biggest question with the Denver Broncos, it felt
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  Speaker 2: like why did you acquire Jalen Waddell if you didn't
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  Speaker 2: really have a plan to use Jalen Waddell? In that
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  Speaker 2: opening game against Kansas City, he gets three targets, only
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  Speaker 2: one catch, two yards. He does have a drop that
• 4:40
  Speaker 2: would have been a first down and potentially a big play.
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  Speaker 1: It would have been a touchdown, Taylor.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and there were some concerns there where you're like,
• 4:47
  Speaker 2: Sean Payton's such a great offensive mind. Davis Webb at
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  Speaker 2: offensive coordinator should figure out a way to get Waddle
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  Speaker 2: more involved. And then week two against the Jaguars, eight catches,
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  Speaker 2: 10 targets, 138 yards. And it's like, okay, that's why
• 5:01
  Speaker 2: they went out and got him.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 3: I have a team that I think we all thought
• 5:04
  Speaker 3: was going to be good. And after the first week,
• 5:06
  Speaker 3: Mikey asked an interesting question about Texan fans. Should they
• 5:09
  Speaker 3: be happy with that result against Buffalo or upset? And
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  Speaker 3: we all said happy because, you know, the defense is
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  Speaker 3: going to be good.
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  Speaker 1: But C.J.
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  Speaker 3: Schrad was your concern coming into the season. He played
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  Speaker 3: well in that game. The Texans might not be that good, guys.
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  Speaker 3: Like we thought they were good even after starting 0-1.
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  Speaker 3: And they lost yesterday. And it was embarrassing.
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  Speaker 1: And C.J.
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  Speaker 3: Schrad was not great. And maybe the Texans just aren't
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  Speaker 3: as good as we thought they were going to be.
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  Speaker 1: How about that?
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  Speaker 4: I don't disagree with you. I mean, they put up
• 5:40
  Speaker 4: no fight on the offensive side of the ball against
• 5:43
  Speaker 4: a Cincinnati Bengals team that, yes, their defense did get
• 5:46
  Speaker 4: better year to year, but it's still not a great defense. And,
• 5:51
  Speaker 4: I mean, defensively, you gave up 30 points again.
• 5:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So why I wouldn't be too concerned with the Houston
• 5:58
  Speaker 2: Texans yet is just because that AFC South is– very bad.
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  Speaker 2: Like they are one in seven combined right now where
• 6:07
  Speaker 2: the Jaguars are in first place at one and one
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  Speaker 2: and everybody else is sitting at Owen too, where if,
• 6:12
  Speaker 2: if you're the Texans, I think the, the dream already
• 6:15
  Speaker 2: going into week three, which is kind of crazy to
• 6:17
  Speaker 2: say of being a wildcard team is slowly slipping away.
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  Speaker 2: When you're looking at other teams that you would consider
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  Speaker 2: to be contenders in the AFC, I think that's kind
• 6:27
  Speaker 2: of slipping away and you kind of just have to
• 6:29
  Speaker 2: shift your attention to, we have to win the AFC South, right?
• 6:33
  Speaker 1: How about the Raiders?
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  Speaker 3: Did they lie to us in any sort of way?
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  Speaker 3: They're better than we thought, right? Although, Mike, you thought
• 6:39
  Speaker 3: they were going to be pretty good coming into the season,
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  Speaker 3: I think.
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  Speaker 1: Yes? I thought they were going to be better.
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  Speaker 4: They're 2-0, guys. I didn't think they were going to
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  Speaker 4: be 2-0. I mean, you beat Miami and everybody goes, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: that's cool.
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  Speaker 1: No, but that's what I'm saying. After week one, it
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  Speaker 1: was like, hey, they beat the Dolphins. They're not going
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  Speaker 1: to win another game. And they went out and won
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  Speaker 1: another game, you know?
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: As bad as the Chargers have been, you still got
• 7:01
  Speaker 4: to beat them. And the Raiders went to LA and
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  Speaker 4: they did just that.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So Stu, my nominee for a team that I think
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  Speaker 2: week one told the truth to us about.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 7:13
  Speaker 2: The Kansas city chiefs, the Kansas city chiefs.
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  Speaker 1: I think they lied to us. No, I think they
• 7:17
  Speaker 1: lied to us in week one. No, no, no.
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  Speaker 3: We had questions as to whether they were back even
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  Speaker 3: after winning their first game of the season.
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  Speaker 1: Now they're fucking back.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, the last four times the chief started to
• 7:29
  Speaker 2: an O right. They've made it to the super bowl
• 7:32
  Speaker 2: every time. 2024, 2022, 2020, and 2019. Yes. And you're
• 7:37
  Speaker 2: watching Patrick Mahomes, where there are some concerns with him
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  Speaker 2: coming back from an ACL injury. His ability to connect
• 7:44
  Speaker 2: on the deep ball, and all of a sudden, Travis Kelsey.
• 7:47
  Speaker 1: Yep.
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  Speaker 2: Travis Kelsey has turned the clock back this season like
• 7:50
  Speaker 2: five years.
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  Speaker 1: Yes. How'd you feel about Taylor pointing to a ring saying,
• 7:53
  Speaker 1: that's my husband? What a moment. Seriously, what a great moment. But, Mikey,
• 7:58
  Speaker 1: isn't it fair?
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  Speaker 3: Even after beating Denver, we still have questions about Mahomes
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  Speaker 3: and is he all the way back?
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  Speaker 1: And now we have no more questions. He's back. He
• 8:09
  Speaker 1: did it with his arm.
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  Speaker 4: He did it with his legs. Travis Kelsey back in
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  Speaker 4: the offense. And then you still got Xavier Worthy. You
• 8:16
  Speaker 4: still got Rasheed Rice and Walker.
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  Speaker 3: That's the difference on the team. For two weeks, that's
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  Speaker 3: been the big difference for this team. They have a
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  Speaker 3: running back who's great.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know what Spags is going to do defensively.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm watching that game, and it's only week two.
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  Speaker 2: But my only thought when I'm watching the Chiefs finish
• 8:33
  Speaker 2: that game in overtime yesterday when Shane Steichen gives them
• 8:35
  Speaker 2: the ball back. And if you're trying to win a game,
• 8:38
  Speaker 2: I'll tell you right now, the quickest way to lose
• 8:40
  Speaker 2: that game is giving the ball back to Patrick Mahomes
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  Speaker 2: in any situation. But after week two, I'm watching that game,
• 8:46
  Speaker 2: and I'm like, man, we could just skip ahead right now.
• 8:50
  Speaker 2: Bill's Chiefs AFC Championship.
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  Speaker 3: Going to be awesome. Wait, you're taking the Ravens out
• 8:56
  Speaker 3: of it already? They lost yesterday.
• 8:57
  Speaker 1: Wow, that was a bad one.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess if there's a... The Ravens, you just
• 9:02
  Speaker 2: want to see more consistency with that team. If there's
• 9:04
  Speaker 2: a team that's moving up to that third spot in
• 9:07
  Speaker 2: the AFC power rankings right now, and where week one
• 9:10
  Speaker 2: might have told the truth, it might be the Cincinnati
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  Speaker 2: Bengals that they've finally given Joe Burrow a defense with
• 9:16
  Speaker 2: what they were able to do to that Texans offense
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  Speaker 2: to keep them in check where CJ Stroud throws for
• 9:20
  Speaker 2: a ton of yards, but it was kind of like
• 9:22
  Speaker 2: a bend but don't break defensive approach from that Bengals defense.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, they're going to be good if they continue to
• 9:28
  Speaker 3: get that kind of defense with Joe Burrow and if
• 9:30
  Speaker 3: he stays healthy. Do we feel like Jacksonville lied to
• 9:32
  Speaker 3: us in week one or they've been lying to us
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  Speaker 3: for a decade?
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  Speaker 4: No, I think Jacksonville is who we thought they were.
• 9:39
  Speaker 4: They're good. They're not great. They're not bad.
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  Speaker 1: They're good.
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  Speaker 4: They're going to beat up teams in that AFC South.
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  Speaker 4: And when they run into a team like the Broncos,
• 9:49
  Speaker 4: who we think is going to be good, they're going
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  Speaker 4: to struggle.
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  Speaker 5: And it was a close game.
• 9:53
  Speaker 1: It was a close game. Yeah.
• 9:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah so there's a team that i think won in
• 9:57
  Speaker 2: week one but their performance from week one still told
• 10:01
  Speaker 2: us the truth for what they were going to be
• 10:03
  Speaker 2: this season because they got embarrassed yesterday by the new
• 10:06
  Speaker 2: england patriots the pittsburgh steelers oh yeah the bad i'm
• 10:10
  Speaker 2: watching this game Why did Aaron Rodgers come back?
• 10:14
  Speaker 1: Why does he put himself through this?
• 10:17
  Speaker 2: Because maybe I'm forgetting, but I don't remember ever watching
• 10:21
  Speaker 2: Tom Brady at the end and thinking like, man, this
• 10:24
  Speaker 2: guy looks old. Where Aaron Rodgers is 42, he somehow
• 10:27
  Speaker 2: looks 62 in the pocket. And you're watching the Steelers
• 10:32
  Speaker 2: offense with Aaron Rodgers at quarterback. There is zero path
• 10:36
  Speaker 2: for them to have an above average offense with this quarterback.
• 10:40
  Speaker 3: That's because at the end, Tom Brady was still hoisting
• 10:43
  Speaker 3: Lombardi trophies.
• 10:44
  Speaker 2: I mean, two of 12 on third down.
• 10:49
  Speaker 1: But Mikey, I do watch Aaron and I'm like, why?
• 10:51
  Speaker 1: Why are you doing?
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  Speaker 3: You're getting sandwiched by two Patriots.
• 10:55
  Speaker 4: I was going to say there was a moment just
• 10:58
  Speaker 4: before he got hit in the back where he's like,
• 11:01
  Speaker 4: this is why I'm out here.
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  Speaker 5: This is awesome.
• 11:03
  Speaker 4: I'm about to pick up this third down. And then
• 11:06
  Speaker 4: he just got hit so hard in the back. And
• 11:09
  Speaker 4: he probably thought, this is why I should have stayed retired.
• 11:13
  Speaker 2: DK Metcalf has to be looking at this trade going
• 11:16
  Speaker 2: from Seattle to Pittsburgh as like one of the worst
• 11:19
  Speaker 2: decisions he's ever made in his life, right? Where Seattle,
• 11:22
  Speaker 2: all of a sudden, Jackson Smith and Jigba has probably
• 11:27
  Speaker 2: entered the conversation of being the best. Well, he was
• 11:29
  Speaker 2: the offensive player of the year last year. But I
• 11:31
  Speaker 2: think it's a conversation right now Game for your life
• 11:34
  Speaker 2: at wide receiver, who you want, Jackson Smith and Jigba
• 11:36
  Speaker 2: or Jamar Chase?
• 11:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, go ahead.
• 11:40
  Speaker 2: I don't know if you could choose wrong.
• 11:42
  Speaker 4: Listen, after that week, Jamar Chase had one of the
• 11:45
  Speaker 4: best catches we've ever seen.
• 11:47
  Speaker 1: He did.
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  Speaker 4: JSN had an 82-yard touchdown where nobody was near him.
• 11:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 11:51
  Speaker 4: And that's not to take anything away from JSN. He's still, like,
• 11:54
  Speaker 4: he had a good game. But Jamar Chase reminded us
• 11:58
  Speaker 4: that if you put the ball near him, he can
• 12:01
  Speaker 4: do things that, Others can't.
• 12:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but JSN is doing something that no one else
• 12:05
  Speaker 3: has ever been able to do.
• 12:07
  Speaker 1: He is making Drew Locke look like a great quarterback.
• 12:11
  Speaker 4: Who's handing him four years, 200 million next year?
• 12:15
  Speaker 1: The Jets.
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  Speaker 6: Jets.
• 12:18
  Speaker 2: I do think there's an element there with Jamar Chase
• 12:20
  Speaker 2: where you look at Jamar Chase play at wide receiver
• 12:23
  Speaker 2: and you're like, he's a more natural wide receiver one. But, Mikey,
• 12:27
  Speaker 2: I don't think you could just say, like, there was
• 12:29
  Speaker 2: nobody around JSN. There's a reason why nobody's around JSN,
• 12:33
  Speaker 2: and it's because he is routing people up.
• 12:35
  Speaker 1: Yes. The Cardinals lie to us now.
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  Speaker 6: No.
• 12:40
  Speaker 4: No, I think– I mean, they put up a fight
• 12:44
  Speaker 4: for half of that game, and then it was just like, oh, okay,
• 12:47
  Speaker 4: this is the defending champion, and they're going to just
• 12:49
  Speaker 4: run away with it. But for six quarters, the Cardinals
• 12:52
  Speaker 4: look like a pretty good football team.
• 12:54
  Speaker 1: Yep.
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  Speaker 3: Nine carries, 29 yards is exactly why you don't take
• 12:57
  Speaker 3: a running back that high in the draft.
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  Speaker 1: Anyway, go ahead, Taylor.
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  Speaker 2: I think the truth from that game was that Seattle
• 13:03
  Speaker 2: is still the NFC team you'd least want to play.
• 13:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah. That is. Not the Rams.
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  Speaker 4: Hmm.
• 13:12
  Speaker 2: Hmm. I'm not too sure the Rams are going to
• 13:14
  Speaker 2: get past the Giants.
• 13:15
  Speaker 4: We've got to see what happens tonight. We've got to
• 13:17
  Speaker 4: see if we got lied to in Australia.
• 13:19
  Speaker 1: Well, that's convenient. You get to see what happens.
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  Speaker 4: Lied to spinning the other way.
• 13:22
  Speaker 3: I know, but the point of the question was to
• 13:23
  Speaker 3: ask you before tonight, before they go to 0-2.
• 13:26
  Speaker 1: What if they come out and blow out the Giants tonight?
• 13:28
  Speaker 1: They're back.
• 13:30
  Speaker 2: So the reason why I would still lean Seattle is–
• 13:33
  Speaker 2: the first two weeks against the Patriots and the Cardinals,
• 13:36
  Speaker 2: it feels like this Seattle team with Mike McDonald has
• 13:38
  Speaker 2: kind of proven that they're quarterback proof. Doesn't matter who
• 13:42
  Speaker 2: you put back there. This defense is going to find
• 13:44
  Speaker 2: ways to win games. And JSN is going to do
• 13:47
  Speaker 2: more than enough to try to carry an offense.
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  Speaker 1: You think Sam Darnold enjoyed that yesterday? I tell you,
• 13:51
  Speaker 1: I ask you guys that question all the time.
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  Speaker 4: Sam Darnold got paid.
• 13:55
  Speaker 1: He's fine. No, I know.
• 13:56
  Speaker 3: But he doesn't like to hear that they're quarterback proof,
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  Speaker 3: meaning any quarterback could win in that system with that
• 14:01
  Speaker 3: football team. That's not what Sam Darnold wants to hear.
• 14:05
  Speaker 3: But yet he's going to hear it because Drew Locke
• 14:07
  Speaker 3: looked great.
• 14:07
  Speaker 1: He did. Yeah, Taylor.
• 14:09
  Speaker 2: The other take that I had coming off of Sunday,
• 14:12
  Speaker 2: I was full of takes yesterday.
• 14:14
  Speaker 1: Of course.
• 14:15
  Speaker 2: And I've been workshopping this one. And it's tough because
• 14:18
  Speaker 2: Jim Harbaugh came out before the season and said, Justin
• 14:22
  Speaker 2: Herbert will go down as the greatest quarterback ever. And
• 14:27
  Speaker 2: you're watching the first two games and you're like, I
• 14:29
  Speaker 2: don't know what Jim Harbaugh is saying. And this would
• 14:32
  Speaker 2: be very quick for Jim Harbaugh to come off that take.
• 14:34
  Speaker 2: You're looking at their upcoming schedule. It's a gauntlet. There's
• 14:37
  Speaker 2: a chance that this Chargers team keeps sliding and sliding
• 14:40
  Speaker 2: further back. Maybe you just have to look at yourself
• 14:43
  Speaker 2: in the mirror and say, Justin Herbert's not the quarterback.
• 14:45
  Speaker 2: That we think he is. And what team right now
• 14:48
  Speaker 2: has proven that they're a contender, but there's still questions
• 14:51
  Speaker 2: around their quarterback situation? The quarterback whisperer in Minnesota.
• 14:55
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 14:55
  Speaker 2: What if you're Kevin O'Connell and you say, look at
• 15:00
  Speaker 2: what I'm doing with Carson Wentz. You go to your
• 15:01
  Speaker 2: manager and say, look what I did with Sam Darnold.
• 15:03
  Speaker 2: Look what I did with Carson Wentz. Look what I
• 15:05
  Speaker 2: could do with the quarterback that Dan Arlovsky is promising
• 15:08
  Speaker 2: me is the greatest quarterback that has ever played this position.
• 15:11
  Speaker 1: Ha ha ha ha.
• 15:14
  Speaker 2: You call up an LA team that's desperate and realizes
• 15:17
  Speaker 2: they're quickly falling out of contention, and you try to
• 15:20
  Speaker 2: get Justin Herbert to Minnesota to pair him with Justin Jefferson.
• 15:23
  Speaker 2: All of a sudden, I could talk myself back into
• 15:25
  Speaker 2: Justin Herbert.
• 15:27
  Speaker 1: Could you?
• 15:27
  Speaker 3: In a different situation. With Kevin O'Connell. With Kevin O'Connell.
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: With Kevin O'Connell.
• 15:32
  Speaker 5: The quarterback whisperer.
• 15:33
  Speaker 4: The man who took the team that everybody was, especially
• 15:37
  Speaker 4: you two, oh, Ben Johnson this, Ben Johnson's that. Little
• 15:41
  Speaker 4: Rain and Ben Johnson's we're going to break the scoring
• 15:44
  Speaker 4: record goes right out the window. Kevin O'Connell goes, don't worry, guys.
• 15:48
  Speaker 4: Give me Carson Wentz. I'll take care of this.
• 15:50
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: But I could see Justin Herbert thriving elsewhere as well,
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: like in Atlanta. Yeah.
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: I think there is some truth to the situation where
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: I don't want to make it sound like I'm coming
• 16:01
  Speaker 2: out and doing the thing that analysts do on Mondays
• 16:05
  Speaker 2: where they come out and make excuses for Justin Herbert.
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: I do think there is some truth there where it
• 16:11
  Speaker 2: is very hard to succeed in that building where 75%
• 16:15
  Speaker 2: of the crowd, no matter the circumstance, is rooting for
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: the other team.
• 16:21
  Speaker 3: He's out of excuses, though, man. He's got Mike McDaniel
• 16:23
  Speaker 3: as his offensive coordinator. He's out of excuses, man. The
• 16:26
  Speaker 3: guy's not very good.
• 16:27
  Speaker 5: He's got Adam Gase on the staff.
• 16:28
  Speaker 4: That's my retort.
• 16:30
  Speaker 3: So you're giving him a pass because of Gase? I mean,
• 16:35
  Speaker 3: Gase is still hanging around, huh?
• 16:38
  Speaker 4: That's a game coordinator for the Chargers.
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: You know what? You're right. I give Justin Herbert a pass.
• 16:47
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  Speaker 1: How was your football weekend, Todd McShea?
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: You're driving the kids around all over town, and I'm
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: wondering how the football weekend was.
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: Were you able to watch it? Wow, what happened?
• 18:43
  Speaker 4: Your voice happened.
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: That's what happened. Let me start again, if you don't mind, please.
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: Thank you. Yeah, go ahead. All right. That was a
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• 18:58
  Speaker 1: How was your football weekend? I'm asking because... It is tough.
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: You're in a tricky spot in terms of your kids
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: and their age and taking them to Little League games,
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: and you're driving all over town, and it's tough.
• 19:09
  Speaker 6: I've got this blended family. I've got a 10-year-old girl,
• 19:15
  Speaker 6: a 12-year-old boy. He just turned 12 this weekend.
• 19:17
  Speaker 5: Congratulations. Actually, technically today.
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: Happy birthday.
• 19:21
  Speaker 6: But we celebrated it all weekend as if a 12-year-old
• 19:24
  Speaker 6: birthday is the 21st.
• 19:25
  Speaker 5: And then I've got a 14-year-old and a 16-year-old.
• 19:32
  Speaker 6: Girl and boy, respectively. And so we've got field hockey
• 19:35
  Speaker 6: all week, right? High school field hockey. And it's like
• 19:38
  Speaker 6: Cape Cod on Thursday. Then we got Friday, we've got
• 19:42
  Speaker 6: a football game 45 minutes away. We got two boys
• 19:45
  Speaker 6: coming to sleep over because.
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: We got we got a birthday party.
• 19:49
  Speaker 6: By the way, you're welcome to sign Baker Mayfield.
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 19:53
  Speaker 6: And we we've got we got a soccer game in Westport.
• 19:57
  Speaker 6: It's like an hour and a half away for 10,
• 19:58
  Speaker 6: 10 under soccer. Sunday, Tate gets to go to a
• 20:03
  Speaker 6: Patriots-Steelers game. I'm in a trampoline park, and I look up,
• 20:06
  Speaker 6: and it's Sunday afternoon. Everyone's bitching. No one's happy. And
• 20:11
  Speaker 6: you haven't watched football. Meanwhile, I'm sneaking in 40 minutes
• 20:15
  Speaker 6: here and there, talking to my notes pages for a
• 20:19
  Speaker 6: show that's midnight to 2 a.m.
• 20:21
  Speaker 5: I get three hours sleep. And it's backwards. Yeah.
• 20:25
  Speaker 6: And I came on, and Mike's complaining that he saved
• 20:28
  Speaker 6: his family, and he's still in trouble.
• 20:31
  Speaker 5: And I'm like, get used to it. It doesn't get
• 20:33
  Speaker 5: any better.
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: Right. Well, you get used to it as well. It
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: seems like you haven't yet. Take your own advice there, Todd. Yeah,
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: you're right.
• 20:40
  Speaker 4: I'm still worked up.
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: I don't even know the details of Mikey A's story.
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: I'm not certain we should get to him now. I
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: just know that he saved his family, he saved their lives,
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: and they're still mad at him.
• 20:50
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 20:50
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: Well, what can you do? Anyway, what were your thoughts
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: here on LSU and Mississippi over the weekend? What a game.
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: It lived up to the hype, Todd. It was great.
• 20:58
  Speaker 5: It rarely does, right?
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 21:00
  Speaker 6: We've had this game circled going back to, what, January, right?
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 21:05
  Speaker 5: And Lane's departure and Trinidad's like, thanks.
• 21:09
  Speaker 6: I was the 246th ranked quarterback in the transfer portal.
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 21:14
  Speaker 5: Thanks, Lane, for picking me. Thanks for developing me.
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: You're leaving.
• 21:18
  Speaker 5: I'm staying, you know?
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 21:21
  Speaker 6: All the hype building up. And it actually looked like
• 21:23
  Speaker 6: maybe it wouldn't be that good of a game. I mean,
• 21:26
  Speaker 6: Ole Miss comes out and just everything's clicking. I loved
• 21:31
  Speaker 6: in the first half of that game watching Kiwan Lacy
• 21:35
  Speaker 6: and watching Trinidad Chambliss. And, like, you could see through
• 21:39
  Speaker 6: the helmet on camera, you know.
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: Yes, yeah.
• 21:43
  Speaker 5: Like, men possessed. And then they pan over to Lane
• 21:47
  Speaker 5: on the sideline and the frustration, you know.
• 21:49
  Speaker 6: But then to see halftime adjustments come out the second
• 21:52
  Speaker 6: half and Sam Levitt, all of a sudden is making
• 21:54
  Speaker 6: plays and, and you're seeing LSU kind of just work
• 21:58
  Speaker 6: its way back in this game. And you wondered, did
• 22:01
  Speaker 6: Ole Miss like emotionally leave it all out there in
• 22:03
  Speaker 6: the first half and didn't have enough in the tank
• 22:05
  Speaker 6: for the second half.
• 22:07
  Speaker 5: Chambliss like, and.
• 22:09
  Speaker 6: I try to keep college football from the NFL draft,
• 22:12
  Speaker 6: but I'm watching this.
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: Right. Right.
• 22:15
  Speaker 6: And, And you've got this class with Arch Manning in 6'5,
• 22:19
  Speaker 6: 230 pounds, and he looks like what you want at quarterback.
• 22:23
  Speaker 6: And yes, he's got the Manning name, but then that
• 22:25
  Speaker 6: second half against Ohio State, that looks like what an
• 22:29
  Speaker 6: NFL quarterback.
• 22:30
  Speaker 5: Does at the college level as he's preparing for the league.
• 22:33
  Speaker 6: Dante Moore is the best pure passer of this group,
• 22:36
  Speaker 6: and there's plenty of other problems at Oregon, the Oklahoma
• 22:39
  Speaker 6: State loss. He wasn't a major. I went back and
• 22:41
  Speaker 6: watched that tape. He for the most, outside of maybe
• 22:44
  Speaker 6: one throw, one decision. He was great in that game.
• 22:48
  Speaker 6: Darian Mensah setting the world on.
• 22:50
  Speaker 5: Fire at Miami.
• 22:52
  Speaker 6: You've got all these other quarterbacks that kind of look
• 22:55
  Speaker 6: the part. I mean, you go down, Lenora Sellers is
• 22:59
  Speaker 6: maybe the most physically gifted of all of them, but
• 23:01
  Speaker 6: continues to struggle. CJ Carr is like a little bit
• 23:07
  Speaker 6: shorter version of Tom Brady with like the understanding of
• 23:09
  Speaker 6: an offense, the precision and And then you got Chambliss
• 23:13
  Speaker 6: who's like sub six foot Ferris state division two. Yeah.
• 23:19
  Speaker 5: And he's the best of all of them.
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: It's crazy. Right? Yeah. I mean, if you say so,
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: you're the expert. Yes.
• 23:27
  Speaker 6: But I mean, he's, I don't think anyone can argue
• 23:29
  Speaker 6: in terms of tools combined with proven big game and
• 23:32
  Speaker 6: big moment and how he's played that he's been the best,
• 23:36
  Speaker 6: that he's the.
• 23:36
  Speaker 5: Best college football quarterback right now. But then I'm like,
• 23:40
  Speaker 5: how many times is this shit going to happen? Right.
• 23:43
  Speaker 5: Like he's kind of like the Steph Curry.
• 23:46
  Speaker 6: Remember like Davidson and he's too small and he was
• 23:49
  Speaker 6: lightly recruited.
• 23:50
  Speaker 5: And yeah, that is, Oh, it's a great, he's cute.
• 23:52
  Speaker 6: He's like a great college story, but he like, he's
• 23:55
  Speaker 6: not going to be. And now he's like arguably the
• 23:57
  Speaker 6: best shooter in the history of the NBA.
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 24:00
  Speaker 6: And then, and you go back and you look at
• 24:02
  Speaker 6: the history of like, we did it with Russell Wilson.
• 24:05
  Speaker 6: We did it with Michael Vick in some ways and
• 24:07
  Speaker 6: Lamar Jackson in some ways. And some of these guys,
• 24:09
  Speaker 6: it's like, Well, it doesn't fit the prototype, but how
• 24:12
  Speaker 6: many times does the prototype have to get broken before
• 24:15
  Speaker 6: we start to realize like some dudes are just special.
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 24:19
  Speaker 6: And so now like for me, it's like in this
• 24:22
  Speaker 6: class where there's, I've got 13 guys with first and
• 24:24
  Speaker 6: second round grades at the quarterback position, which is like
• 24:28
  Speaker 6: out of control. I did a mock draft last week
• 24:31
  Speaker 6: and I think I had nine quarterbacks going in the
• 24:33
  Speaker 6: top 13.
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: Wow. No, sorry. No, no.
• 24:36
  Speaker 5: Six in the top. six in the top nine. That's
• 24:38
  Speaker 5: what it was.
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 24:39
  Speaker 5: Um, and, but my jumping off point now.
• 24:44
  Speaker 6: For him is QB three, like find me, find me
• 24:48
  Speaker 6: three quarterbacks that are better prospects right now. And I
• 24:50
  Speaker 6: don't care about his height. So that's, that's, what's kind
• 24:53
  Speaker 6: of changing for me. We'll see how the season plays out.
• 24:56
  Speaker 6: It's a long season, but you've, you've got to go out,
• 24:59
  Speaker 6: play Chambliss in my opinion, to be that third quarterback.
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: And I'm not saying he's stuck at three.
• 25:05
  Speaker 6: I'm like, I'm leaving it wide open where maybe he's
• 25:08
  Speaker 6: QB1 by the end of it, and I won't shy.
• 25:10
  Speaker 6: Baker Mayfield was QB1, got in a lousy situation in Cleveland,
• 25:15
  Speaker 6: and now we've seen, you know, we saw for years
• 25:17
  Speaker 6: what he can do.
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: So I'm keeping this.
• 25:20
  Speaker 6: Thing wide open because I think all these quarterbacks deserve that.
• 25:23
  Speaker 5: There's a lot of ball to be played.
• 25:25
  Speaker 6: But my gosh, man, what Chambliss is doing and what
• 25:27
  Speaker 6: we're watching is extraordinary.
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: Yep, special. Go ahead, Taylor.
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: Todd, it feels like we've been waiting for Lenora Sellers
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: at South Carolina to put it all together. So my
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: question is, if you're the Miami Hurricanes and next year
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: starts and you can have either Kamario Taylor or Lenora
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: Sellers at quarterback, who do you take?
• 25:48
  Speaker 5: You're a real jerk.
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: Yes, he is. He's putting you in such a bad spot.
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: It's a good question.
• 25:55
  Speaker 6: Honestly, I want to see Lenora there for the same
• 26:00
  Speaker 6: premise that you have.
• 26:03
  Speaker 5: He is that talented.
• 26:04
  Speaker 6: And coming into the year, I thought maybe QB2 behind
• 26:08
  Speaker 6: Dante Moore.
• 26:09
  Speaker 5: That was kind of how I viewed it. And I
• 26:11
  Speaker 5: wanted to see Arch have a.
• 26:12
  Speaker 6: Half like he did against Ohio State before elevating him.
• 26:18
  Speaker 5: Something's not clicking.
• 26:20
  Speaker 6: And I wanted to excuse it as the coordinator last year,
• 26:25
  Speaker 6: Mike Shula, and it just clearly wasn't meshing.
• 26:27
  Speaker 5: And now they bring in Kendall Bryles, and it's still not.
• 26:31
  Speaker 6: And I get it, like, Chambliss has a better supporting cast.
• 26:35
  Speaker 5: Arch certainly has a better supporting cast.
• 26:39
  Speaker 6: Julian Sayen has, you know, a lot of these guys
• 26:41
  Speaker 6: have better weapons to throw to. But he's got a
• 26:44
  Speaker 6: left tackle who's got a first-round grade by, like, National
• 26:47
  Speaker 6: Scouting Service coming into the year. And he's got a
• 26:50
  Speaker 6: wide receiver in Nick Harbour who's inconsistent but supremely talented.
• 26:54
  Speaker 6: It's not like they're void of talent at South Carolina.
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: So, I.
• 27:00
  Speaker 6: Personally, I'm dying to see Sellers find that right spot,
• 27:03
  Speaker 6: and it seems like Miami's become the new, for quarterbacks,
• 27:08
  Speaker 6: that safe harbor refugee camp where we're going to rebuild
• 27:12
  Speaker 6: you up and send you off to the NFL world.
• 27:15
  Speaker 6: It's kind of like Nick Saban became for all those coaches,
• 27:19
  Speaker 6: whether it was Lane Kiffin, Bill O'Brien, Sark, right? Like,
• 27:26
  Speaker 6: come in in this quote-unquote... assistant, whatever the, I forget
• 27:30
  Speaker 6: the name of it, basically assistant role.
• 27:35
  Speaker 5: And then we'll rehab you and.
• 27:37
  Speaker 6: Get you ready to go take a head coaching job, right?
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: Yes. It's kind of what Miami's become.
• 27:41
  Speaker 6: So I would love to see Sellers there, but if
• 27:44
  Speaker 6: I'm Cristobal and I'm looking at this thing and I'm
• 27:47
  Speaker 6: looking at what Camario Taylor's doing right now with Mississippi State,
• 27:52
  Speaker 6: that dude's I didn't know that I could look at
• 27:56
  Speaker 6: another quarterback and be like, yeah, he's clearly more talented
• 27:59
  Speaker 6: than Lenore Sellers. But if I'm the GM at Miami,
• 28:05
  Speaker 6: I'm probably taking Kamario Taylor. But I really want to,
• 28:09
  Speaker 6: if it's not Miami, I'm dying to see Sellers. Sellers
• 28:12
  Speaker 6: needs to come back unless something drastically changes between now
• 28:15
  Speaker 6: and the end of the season. And Sellers needs a different,
• 28:19
  Speaker 6: new scenery, let's say.
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: Just going back to Trinidad for a second.
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: Had he gone to the NFL last year, where do
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: you think he would have been selected? I'm just wondering
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: how much he's improved his stock here by staying in college.
• 28:33
  Speaker 5: Maybe late first.
• 28:34
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 28:37
  Speaker 5: I would say. I would say more likely, probably early second.
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: Wow. You know?
• 28:44
  Speaker 5: Yes. Right.
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: So.
• 28:47
  Speaker 6: And you got to remember, too, each slot in that
• 28:50
  Speaker 6: first round is like almost a million.
• 28:52
  Speaker 5: Dollars a slot.
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: Yes, right.
• 28:53
  Speaker 6: As you escalate up to like now it's, you know,
• 28:56
  Speaker 6: a 50-something million and, you know, almost 40 million guaranteed
• 29:00
  Speaker 6: for the first contract.
• 29:02
  Speaker 5: So we're talking not millions.
• 29:05
  Speaker 6: We're talking maybe tens of millions that he's improved his stock.
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Wow.
• 29:10
  Speaker 4: Todd, you mentioned Dante Moore. And I'm wondering at what
• 29:14
  Speaker 4: point you start worrying about dropping him down in your rankings,
• 29:18
  Speaker 4: considering how the first few games have gone for him.
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: He loves him though.
• 29:21
  Speaker 4: Here's where I am.
• 29:23
  Speaker 5: Here's where I am with Dante. And again, it's, it's
• 29:26
  Speaker 5: only one meaning.
• 29:27
  Speaker 6: Well, Boise state to a certain degree, but the Oklahoma
• 29:31
  Speaker 6: state loss jumps out, right? I'm telling you, I can watch,
• 29:37
  Speaker 6: I watched that tape um, Thursday of last week. I
• 29:41
  Speaker 6: can show you like this guy's like that.
• 29:44
  Speaker 5: I think it's number nine.
• 29:45
  Speaker 6: The guy who, who tracked down, um, messed a maker
• 29:48
  Speaker 6: on that, that long run from out of nowhere, linebacker.
• 29:52
  Speaker 5: Like 230 pounds, whatever. He's, he looks like he's running
• 29:54
  Speaker 5: a four, three.
• 29:55
  Speaker 6: Um, they got, they got two that bear Alexander and, um,
• 29:59
  Speaker 6: Amario Washington, the defensive tackle. Mateo Uyunga-Lillay. They've got NFL
• 30:06
  Speaker 6: dudes all over the place. But what they don't have
• 30:10
  Speaker 6: early this season is a transition at coordinator, both sides.
• 30:19
  Speaker 6: Look what Will Stein just did at Kentucky with Kenny Minchey.
• 30:23
  Speaker 6: And that third quarter was coming out of halftime, the adjustments.
• 30:27
  Speaker 6: One of the best quarterbacks most dominant quarters I've seen
• 30:30
  Speaker 6: in SEC or, you know, power four in maybe a
• 30:34
  Speaker 6: couple years. That third quarter, it was like 182 total
• 30:37
  Speaker 6: yards of offense to like 21. Scored on all three
• 30:40
  Speaker 6: offensive possessions. So Will Stein, who's developed Bo Nix from
• 30:43
  Speaker 6: what Nix was at Auburn.
• 30:46
  Speaker 5: Dylan Gabriel got him drafted in.
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: The third round.
• 30:49
  Speaker 5: That's not a third-round quarterback.
• 30:51
  Speaker 6: And Dante Moore, what he was at UCLA, where it
• 30:55
  Speaker 6: didn't work as a freshman, let him sit and learn,
• 30:56
  Speaker 6: and then all of a sudden he's a first-round pick.
• 30:59
  Speaker 6: And then Tosh Lapoi, considered one of the best defensive
• 31:05
  Speaker 6: coordinators in college football, goes to Cal. And now I'm
• 31:08
  Speaker 6: not saying that the coordinators aren't qualified, but so far
• 31:12
  Speaker 6: you can see, like the eye discipline, and it was like,
• 31:16
  Speaker 6: Keystone cops, like the safeties and some of the cornerback play,
• 31:21
  Speaker 6: just like everyone out of position. Then offensively, there's no flow.
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  Speaker 6: The route combinations aren't the same. So I watched that
• 31:29
  Speaker 6: tape through the lens of NFL prospect Dante Moore, what's wrong?
• 31:35
  Speaker 6: And I saw one overthrow on a sale route to
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  Speaker 6: the left that it was early.
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  Speaker 5: In the game.
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  Speaker 6: Maybe it was a miscommunication or the wide receiver depth,
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  Speaker 6: but I think it was just a bad throw by Dante.
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  Speaker 6: And there was one other decision But the thing with
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  Speaker 6: Dante is this.
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  Speaker 7: Like his ceiling ceiling, if he can get that, like
• 31:54
  Speaker 7: a little bit more dog in him and a little
• 31:56
  Speaker 7: bit more climbing, decisive toughness, like I'm taking this thing
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  Speaker 7: over is like a Joe Burrow.
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  Speaker 6: What I think the best comparison right now is, and
• 32:07
  Speaker 6: we've seen the best of with CJ Stroud rookie year,
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  Speaker 6: and we've seen what's happened since.
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  Speaker 5: And I don't know what all the things that are
• 32:13
  Speaker 5: going into.
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  Speaker 6: CJ Stroud and kind of the decline. But I think
• 32:17
  Speaker 6: the most apt comparison is C.J.
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: Stroud, right?
• 32:21
  Speaker 6: But he's got to be great, and he's got to
• 32:24
  Speaker 6: also have great support around him in the right system.
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  Speaker 6: He's not Superman. Like, arch in the second half against
• 32:31
  Speaker 6: Ohio State, Superman.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 5: Chambliss, first half of that game, and then when they
• 32:35
  Speaker 5: need it again.
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: And by the way, the second.
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  Speaker 6: Georgia game last year was the best tape I saw
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  Speaker 6: of any quarterback last year. And outside of maybe Mendoza
• 32:44
  Speaker 6: against Ohio State, Superman. Some of these guys, and you
• 32:49
  Speaker 6: look in the NFL, Lamar can put on the cape.
• 32:55
  Speaker 6: Josh Allen certainly can put on the cape.
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  Speaker 5: Every Sunday, yes. Every Sunday, right?
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  Speaker 6: I don't know that Dante has that in him.
• 33:02
  Speaker 5: We haven't seen that yet. So that's the difference because now.
• 33:05
  Speaker 6: I'm comparing Arch and Chambliss, and let's see what Mensah
• 33:09
  Speaker 6: does as they start to play better competition.
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  Speaker 5: I don't see it declining. I think you know what
• 33:14
  Speaker 5: you're getting.
• 33:16
  Speaker 6: And so the organization that drafts them better have the
• 33:18
  Speaker 6: right coordinator and better have the right supporting cast. You
• 33:22
  Speaker 6: can win a ton of you can win a Super
• 33:23
  Speaker 6: Bowl with Dante in the NFL eventually.
• 33:26
  Speaker 5: But it's not going.
• 33:27
  Speaker 6: To be like Josh where a couple of years, even
• 33:30
  Speaker 6: like Drake May. I know he's gone through his interceptions
• 33:32
  Speaker 6: now and all that. But there are guys in the
• 33:34
  Speaker 6: league that can absolutely just carry an offense. I don't
• 33:38
  Speaker 6: know that Dante's ever going to be that guy. But
• 33:40
  Speaker 6: Dante plays with such precision and is such an elite,
• 33:43
  Speaker 6: talented passer.
• 33:44
  Speaker 5: That he can be great in the NFL.
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: Todd, I'm watching the SMU-Louisville game. Louisville's Clev Lubin. Is
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: he the best player that nobody's talking about right now?
• 33:54
  Speaker 5: He's one of them, man. How about that?
• 33:57
  Speaker 6: He punched out two balls in the opener against Ole Miss, right? Yeah,
• 34:03
  Speaker 6: he's one of the top 50 prospects coming in the year.
• 34:05
  Speaker 6: We just— Shameless plug, but theringer.com slash McShea is where
• 34:11
  Speaker 6: our top 50 just dropped last week for the 2027 draft,
• 34:15
  Speaker 6: and he was in there in the top 50. He's
• 34:18
  Speaker 6: not the tallest, longest, fastest, but he's powerful.
• 34:22
  Speaker 5: He's relentless. He'll jar the ball loose.
• 34:26
  Speaker 6: He had another great game against SMU. I mean, this guy,
• 34:29
  Speaker 6: he's one of the elite difference makers at edge in
• 34:32
  Speaker 6: the country, so that's a good spot by you.
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: Who is the best player in college football? If you
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: were selecting number one overall, you didn't need a position.
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: Position be damned. Who's the best player in college football?
• 34:43
  Speaker 5: Jeremiah Smith, Ohio State.
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: Easily?
• 34:46
  Speaker 5: Highest grade at wide receiver since Calvin Johnson.
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: Interesting.
• 34:52
  Speaker 6: Plays like Julio Jones, but in terms of grade, completeness,
• 34:57
  Speaker 6: I think it's Jeremiah Smith.
• 34:59
  Speaker 5: Second best player, it's interesting, the two best players aren't quarterbacks.
• 35:03
  Speaker 6: Leonard Moore, the cornerback from Notre Dame is just, he's like,
• 35:06
  Speaker 6: he's Patrick Sertan.
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: Who's the quarterback Todd, like in college, you thought to yourself,
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: there's no way that guy's game is going to translate
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: to the NFL. And then it translated to the NFL
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: in a way that you were like, Oh my God,
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: is it like Jalen Hurts?
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: Someone like that, I guess is what I'm asking.
• 35:22
  Speaker 5: Hurts was interesting.
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 35:24
  Speaker 6: I saw, I started to see more from her when
• 35:27
  Speaker 6: he left Alabama. I, I was like, yeah, that, that he's,
• 35:32
  Speaker 6: I don't know that it's ever going to work.
• 35:33
  Speaker 5: Really good runner, kind of creator.
• 35:36
  Speaker 6: But I didn't know that he would ever play with
• 35:39
  Speaker 6: the efficiency that he has developed.
• 35:41
  Speaker 5: And it's a credit to him.
• 35:42
  Speaker 6: And obviously there's ups and downs and all sorts of
• 35:48
  Speaker 6: things that happen when you get to the NFL and
• 35:50
  Speaker 6: the supporting cast and personalities and everything else.
• 35:53
  Speaker 5: But I didn't know that he'd ever get to the
• 35:56
  Speaker 5: level that he is. I mean, I'll be Lamar. Wasn't
• 35:59
  Speaker 5: the pastor that he is right. Uh, Josh, Josh Allen.
• 36:03
  Speaker 6: Like I love, I did the Wyoming game after Levy
• 36:06
  Speaker 6: got me to sit on a horse and I learned
• 36:08
  Speaker 6: that I was allergic to horses the night before and
• 36:10
  Speaker 6: my face blew up and I was out there now
• 36:12
  Speaker 6: in the snow storm.
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: Thank God.
• 36:14
  Speaker 6: Cause I'm covered like a snowman, but I'm watching him
• 36:17
  Speaker 6: in a snow storm in the mountain West conference championship game.
• 36:21
  Speaker 6: And he's throwing it like 70 yards in the air. And, but,
• 36:24
  Speaker 6: but there are some throws that are like three yards
• 36:26
  Speaker 6: into the stands and he's missing open receivers.
• 36:29
  Speaker 5: But, and then you go watch his tape.
• 36:31
  Speaker 6: I didn't know that he'd ever develop into this level of.
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: Passer too, you know?
• 36:36
  Speaker 6: So, so it used to be the old thing in
• 36:39
  Speaker 6: evaluating quarterbacks was like, you are who you are.
• 36:43
  Speaker 5: From an accuracy standpoint, you know?
• 36:45
  Speaker 6: I can remember being up in Bristol for like weeks
• 36:47
  Speaker 6: before the draft and all of a sudden I used
• 36:49
  Speaker 6: to call them the biker, the NFL films biker gang
• 36:52
  Speaker 6: with Merrill Hodge and Jaws would come up and you
• 36:55
  Speaker 6: could like almost hear them in the Bristol parking like,
• 36:58
  Speaker 6: because they'd come storming in all pissed off. They'd have
• 37:02
  Speaker 6: to watch all of our shows, come in from NFL
• 37:04
  Speaker 6: films and be like, this guy can't play in the
• 37:06
  Speaker 6: National Football League. These are grown men in the National
• 37:09
  Speaker 6: Football League.
• 37:11
  Speaker 4: And whatever.
• 37:12
  Speaker 6: Theories and evaluations Kuyper and I and everyone else had,
• 37:15
  Speaker 6: they'd come in in 48 hours and just tear them apart.
• 37:19
  Speaker 6: But the whole thing was pocket passers, tall, see the
• 37:23
  Speaker 6: whole field. You can tell by their footwork if it's
• 37:25
  Speaker 6: going to be a complete pass. High ball carriage, you know.
• 37:28
  Speaker 6: And then the league started changing, man. And guys like
• 37:32
  Speaker 6: Lamar started breaking the mold. And Patrick Mahomes, whose mechanics
• 37:36
  Speaker 6: at Texas Tech were a disaster. And it became more
• 37:39
  Speaker 6: of a, let's evaluate the results first. as much, if
• 37:43
  Speaker 6: not more than, than the, the mechanics and the footwork
• 37:47
  Speaker 6: and how everyone was taught at a quarterback clinic. So
• 37:50
  Speaker 6: it's been fascinating to watch in the last 15 years,
• 37:52
  Speaker 6: the transformation of that position specifically.
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: All right, man, we know you got to run the
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: McShay show, wherever you get your podcast, part of the
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: ringer network, promote that again, the top 50, where is it?
• 38:02
  Speaker 5: The ringer.com slash McShay.
• 38:04
  Speaker 6: It's the McShea draft guide. We're pretty proud of it.
• 38:07
  Speaker 6: We're going to build that into basically what you would
• 38:10
  Speaker 6: get as a GM in the NFL, like in the
• 38:13
  Speaker 6: scouting department. So we're pumped to unveil the top 50,
• 38:18
  Speaker 6: and it'll grow to top 350, 400 by the time
• 38:21
  Speaker 6: April's draft comes along. This is the most anticipated draft
• 38:24
  Speaker 6: of my 26 years of doing this thing.
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: Oh, no doubt. Are you proud of me for keeping
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: it mostly football? I mean, what do you think?
• 38:31
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and not one Jets mentioned.
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: Jets look good, man. No, I don't want to hear that.
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: I mean, listen, they lost a game they should have won,
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: and Aaron Glenn does not know how to manage a clock.
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: It's annoying.
• 38:43
  Speaker 5: Oh, okay, okay, okay.
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: He set me off.
• 38:50
  Speaker 6: But this feels like an organization, and it feels like
• 38:54
  Speaker 6: a team that is like, I don't know.
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: It feels it started. It's starting to feel different.
• 38:58
  Speaker 6: And I'm looking at a mock draft right now. That's
• 39:00
  Speaker 6: got three picks in the first round.
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So it'd be interesting to see how it plays out.
• 39:04
  Speaker 4: Take three of them.
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: No, it's fair.
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: What you're saying is fair. No, it's they're not embarrassing us.
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: And so that's a good start. It's a step in
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: the right direction. I haven't been embarrassed. And the games
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: are still meaningful.
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah. The games three weeks in, they're still meaningful. They're
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: a head coach away. That's it.
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: You know that you don't want to say that. I'll
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: say they're a head coach away. Get out of here,
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: Todd McShay. We appreciate the time during a very busy
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: time for you.
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: Thank you, buddy.
• 39:27
  Speaker 6: Hey, tell hey tell taylor tell tell dan comber to
• 39:30
  Speaker 6: put a put a shirt with sleeves on he doesn't
• 39:33
  Speaker 6: have the build every saturday night like 1 a.m we
• 39:36
  Speaker 6: come in off the show yes and he's got this
• 39:39
  Speaker 6: like the tank top gets skinnier every week and he's
• 39:42
  Speaker 6: not there lifting yet I know he's in your fantasy team.
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: He doesn't have the guns to wear a tank top
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: is what you're saying?
• 39:49
  Speaker 5: I mean, he's working out. He looks great.
• 39:50
  Speaker 6: I'm not here to destroy the man. But it's got
• 39:57
  Speaker 6: to be more of a Tebow physique than a Comer physique.
• 40:02
  Speaker 5: Oh, he's going to kill me for this.
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: I'm glad.
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: He's the character in our league.
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: Oh, he is.
• 40:06
  Speaker 6: He's the character everywhere he goes.
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: We all laughed when you said you were allergic to horses.
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: I don't know why. It just made us laugh. I mean,
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: and he didn't know it. I owned a horse.
• 40:15
  Speaker 6: Portnoy and I and Elio and Bernoni, we owned a horse.
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 40:21
  Speaker 5: Smoke Show City was the horse.
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: Right. We eventually wound up selling it off. All right.
• 40:27
  Speaker 5: And- And I went, you know, I went, me with
• 40:31
  Speaker 5: my stopwatch, like an old scout. I'm there, like, it's
• 40:34
  Speaker 5: Suffolk Downs, where it's training. Yes.
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: You're timing his 40 out. You're timing the horse's 40.
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: Down the stretch, yeah.
• 40:41
  Speaker 4: Yeah, stretch run.
• 40:44
  Speaker 5: But I went in there at one time, and I
• 40:46
  Speaker 5: went in, and I petted it.
• 40:47
  Speaker 6: Giving it some love, giving him some love.
• 40:51
  Speaker 5: And I realized, because I'm allergic to cats. Oh, so,
• 40:56
  Speaker 5: but I didn't realize I was like, I was just,
• 40:57
  Speaker 5: it's mild. So I'll take like a Benadryl.
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: It's fine.
• 40:59
  Speaker 5: You know? And then we went to Wyoming and went inside.
• 41:02
  Speaker 5: They had this like the center.
• 41:04
  Speaker 6: That was like indoors. Cause it was dead of winter
• 41:06
  Speaker 6: with like a hundred horses. And I blew up. We
• 41:11
  Speaker 6: did an open with me, greasy and Levy on, on horses.
• 41:15
  Speaker 5: With cowboy hats.
• 41:17
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 41:17
  Speaker 5: And I got off that horse and I like, I
• 41:20
  Speaker 5: almost had to.
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: Go to the hospital. Jesus Christ, McShay. Yeah.
• 41:23
  Speaker 5: It was a nightmare.
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: All right. All right, get out of here. See you
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: guys later. He's laughing. We appreciate it, buddy.
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: The McShay Show, wherever you get your podcasts.
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: Thanks so much for doing this, man.
• 41:35
  Speaker 5: You got it, man. I always have the hard outs,
• 41:37
  Speaker 5: and I'm the one ruining it, not you.
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: All right, later. See you, buddy.