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secretly gay men of hollywood · gasp! the pod

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No. I don't prove because we're just
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talking about things that allegedly are possibly true as
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long as they're allegedly possibly just what I've heard
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from somebody else. Welcome everyone to gasp, the
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pod, the podcast with the girls, the gays and especially the gay
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girls. Today I'm with my lovely best
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friend, fellow gay and Internet troll.
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Confirmed. Maddie Kane and we took the
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podcast on the road. Or rather, I took the podcast on
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the road. We are in Los Angeles.
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We are Los Angeles. We are Los Angeles and I flew in
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today. I took a shower and we're
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recording this because everyone needs to know that Tom Cruise is
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probably gay. Probably allegedly gay.
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Did you also cut your bangs because Trump got elected?
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I actually cut my name things in the anxiety attack leading up to
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Trump's election. So real me too, but we
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foreshadowed it. We did.
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We were young. We'll cheers to the demise of
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this country. Cheers.
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Cheers. Hey guys, we're talking about
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because also I wanted a very fruitful episode.
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Yeah, we need something like something fun, something for the
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girls, right? I was like talking about
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politics and yeah, which is which is serious stuff.
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Yeah, that's no joke for. Real.
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No joke. So let's talk about something
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that if you bring it up to normal people, they're like, how
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dare you say that? We're gonna talk about the
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secret gay kings of Hollywood, and most notably, Tom Cruise and
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Leonardo DiCaprio, and tell us your expertise on the subjects,
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Maddie. So basically I have been going
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online and calling men gay on there for the past 15 years.
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As a as a person who figured out they were gay during my teenage
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years, I was definitely like seeking that in not only my
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community and my peers, but also definitely unlike the people
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that I felt like were representing me in media and in
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music. So I would really attach myself
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to celebrities that I believed were gay.
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So true. And you guys, we all do.
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You had the original trained eye.
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Yeah, I, I was, I was really, I was refined and I was reformed.
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And I will say a lot of the people that I used to call gay
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online and people would be like, don't call other people gay if
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you don't know their story, have since come out as gay or by my
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child. So what now?
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I mean, we can have a whole thing on this, but maybe like,
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we haven't talked about shotgun deaths at all.
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Yeah. And I think, I think that that
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is something that is so relevant.
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Of course now where he kind of is like has has admitted that he
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is searching in his sexuality, which I think is totally normal
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and completely fine. And I, I do, I do wish people
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would like harass him directly about it less, of course.
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But I think I, I mean, I don't think it's one of the people
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who've noticed that he behaves like I behave.
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He likes the things that I like. What he says resonates with me.
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And if I'm gay, then he's probably gay too.
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I think that that totally makes sense.
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And I think that's probably part of the reason he's questioning
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it himself. Right.
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I mean, when I see you, Shawn Mendez, I say.
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Same first twin twin, but I mean not me and Shawn Mendez, but
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there are people that are very much like Shawn Mendez that are
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gay. It's.
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Very different to notice someone that is gay if you're gay than
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if you're a homophobe being like oh you look like a twink at.
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Slur Yeah. And I also think there's this,
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There's this. I hope this person is gay
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because I want to feel more connected to them.
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Whereas like you said, like homophobic, like, oh, I hope
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this person isn't because I will like them less, right?
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There's such a different tone to that.
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OK, so let's get into it because we became friends living in LA
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together. And can I just say hint at you
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just being like, yeah, yeah, in the entertainment world.
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And the tea that you gave me is pretty amazing.
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A lot of this we've like touched on.
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But even before I made a podcast, we were like, we need
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to talk about this at. And the people need to know.
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People need. To know.
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So some of these points, I've never heard anyone talk about
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this before. Oh, really?
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OK, No, truly OK. I'm so upset.
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About. Because I've only read some of
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this stuff and I was GAT. OK.
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OK, so let's talk about Tom Cruise dressed I Oh my God.
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Yeah. So if you don't gasp at anything
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we say today, please let me know and I'll I'll do better.
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I'll what the I'll do better next time.
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No, this is gonna be like hopefully the most gas worthy
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because I feel OK. I really think people know these
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things. I don't think I've heard anyone
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sit. When I talked I just hinted
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about like Leo being maybe gay people were like.
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What didn't really, guys? Remember like.
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Men older than 40 in Hollywood can be gay.
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I also just remembered an element of that that I didn't
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put on the outline that I think you're you're all gonna love.
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OK, so let's talk about Tom Cruise first, but also just talk
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about in general how Hollywood is just, like, full of drama
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gaze. Yeah.
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So I think I think that that's a really important element to
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this, too. And I know you and I have
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discussed this a lot, but they're actors typically come
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from theater and theater you typically do in high school.
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And I, at least in America, you typically if you are kind of
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like a theatre kid, you do theatre in middle school and
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high school and you kind of like become part of the theatre
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community. And very frequently those people
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are stereotyped as gay. Absolutely.
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But also very frequently that is where you can find a lot of gay
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people at your school. And so I don't know why it's so
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surprising to people that a lot of actors and a lot of musicians
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and a lot of entertainers in general are gay or are very
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flexible because that that kind of.
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Unity definitely allows you the space to feel like you can try
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out weird things. Absolutely.
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I mean, think about you, one that had like became an actor.
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Anyone that's famous now didn't just suddenly do an audition
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when they were 35 and become famous, right?
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They've been wanting this. They've been actors in mostly
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like local theater groups. Like high school.
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Anyone in local theater? Yeah, you're like 70% of them
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are gay. Yeah.
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So it's like, yeah, they're hot. Now, but it's not 'cause someone
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walked by, walked by Tom Cruise on the street in the 80s and
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said actor and then all of a sudden he just came in actor,
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like he had to grow up in theater.
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So it's like these people were growing up in the gay scene and
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just 'cause they're like attractive doesn't mean they're
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not exposed to the queerness of the entire industry.
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You know, like Zac Efron and Troy Bolton.
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In high school, musical was bullied.
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Yeah. And it's like going to be like,
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that was so true. And it's actually those those
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two things you just said are the perfect segue I've got into
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discussing Tom. I have a thing sent to you.
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Me and Tom, me and TC. So I've.
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I've sent to you a couple of pictures of Tom Cruise in his
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high school productions. Tom Cruise actually, literally
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basically, it's possible that he is the source of the concept of
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High School Musical. Really.
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Yeah. He had a a high school sports
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injury, which is not necessarily the truth of Troy Bolton, but he
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was like a very good athlete and he got an injury.
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So instead of doing nothing, he joined the theater production.
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He actually, yeah. And he auditioned with the song
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I Don't Know How to Love Him by Jesus Christ from Jesus Christ
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Superstar. I don't know how familiar you
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are with Jesus Christ Superstar, but this song is literally sung
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by Mary Magdalene about being in love with Jesus Christ and
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you're gonna love us. Tom Cruise also grew up in a in
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a difficult home and was Catholic.
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He was raised Catholic. There you go.
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So you can understand why that is like a a completely insane
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thing for maybe like a 1617 year old boy to do is like roll up to
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the audition and sing. I don't know how to love him
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Jesus Christ Superstar. And he ate and he was cast as
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Nathan in I think what is that musical called?
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Who Cares Anyway? He was cast as a lead.
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And ever since then he like continued to act.
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He continued to be in his local theatre productions and
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honestly, shortly thereafter he started making movies in
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Hollywood. So that is all I had.
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To do was. Just, like, put himself out
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there and, like, break a gender state, Right.
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And. Yeah.
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And I think that singing I don't know how to love him is like, a
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really brave way to break a gender stereotype.
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So a young man And like, what? This was the how to be late 70s
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Catholic. Yeah.
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It must have been late 70s. Yeah.
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To like, sing that. Is really absurd.
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It's wild, yeah. He's in local.
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Yeah, which like singing a song as a man, I don't know how to
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love him. Like of course singing would be
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nothing I guess. Singing at all as a man was like
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your guy, yeah. You know, so that's his.
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Origin Do you think I look like George Washington?
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I wanna say no. But it's like you do look like a
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little bit like you're wearing like a sexy George Washington
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homie costume. And I am obsessed with is in the
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outline of this podcast you wrote Mama sues everyone who
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calls him gay. Yeah.
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So which by the way. Is not illegal.
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Right, right. He for a while there was like a
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lot of of publications that had been like speculating on him and
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things like that. And during those times he like
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this was like really like early 2000s, especially like late 90s,
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early 2000s. This is and this is like also
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very like markedly a tumultuous point in his life.
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This is like the Oprah couch video time period and things
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like that, like that. They were very much trying to,
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like, crush this narrative during that time he was.
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Very. I didn't know it was that much
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of a narrative. Yes, I think we were a little
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too young to realize how much people were calling Tom Cruise
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gay online and in the media, but it was happening a lot during
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that period, which we'll get into.
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But he was like suing people left and right for a while, like
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and like and winning. He was like for.
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What defamation it? Would just be like, yeah, it
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would be like, this is like, you can't prove this, it's true, so
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you can't say it. Whatever that is.
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OK, so like false narrative or? Something and so and he and and
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and are we gonna get sued by Tom Cruise?
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Because we're just talking about things that allegedly are
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possibly true as long as they're allegedly possibly.
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Just what I've heard from somebody else.
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I think since gay marriage has become legalized it's more
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difficult to get away with. Like calling someone gay as
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actual defamation. Right.
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So you're telling me that if gay marriage gets overturned, Tom
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Cruise may sue us? I don't know if I we could
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continue to do what? That would be pretty awesome if
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we found out. I mean, that would be iconic if
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we were served papers. Yeah.
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I'd be like, do you wanna call and talk about it?
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So he was. He was cheating people for a
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while. There's also this delightful
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video from this era. I don't know if you're familiar
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with the movie Minority Report. Yes.
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Yes. OK.
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Great movie. Yeah.
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And him and Colin Farrell have this like, really kind of, you
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know, gay chemistry in it. Isn't there a scene where like
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one of them has the other one up?
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Like against a wall? Always, I feel like two men in
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movies are always kind of like, like almost pissing.
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They're like so mad at each other.
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They're like pissing. Yeah, yeah.
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That's so the energy they have here.
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So during this time, also remember this is a time when the
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media was like genuinely being evil to celebrities, right?
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So. This interviewer asked Colin
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Farrell and is like, oh, like you've been working with Tom
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Cruise. Is he gay?
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And Colin goes, oh, yeah, I, I know Tom and I can confirm that
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he is, I'm like, I almost like gay.
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He's, he's straight. I, I know a lot of gay people
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and I know Tom. And Tom is straight and he is
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not gay and he is straight And he, I'll show you the question.
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You have to see the video. I literally, I watch it.
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It brings you to tears. It's hilarious.
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People, people do not gasp, but this, this is like, worse than
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like the Jack Antonoff Taylor Swift recording where the guy's
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like, oh, do you like working with like, oh, I work with a lot
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of gays. A lot of gays.
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Yeah. Oh, I mean, no, Taylor Swift
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isn't gay, right? Oh, my God.
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Very much. I feel like you're unearthing
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this for people in our generation who are not hip too.
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Yeah. And I feel like there are like,
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I know a small cohort. Yes, you know, I know it's a
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small cohort of online lesbians that are very about Tom Kurdish.
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Wow galore. But I do think this is not as
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much of a common narrative as it used.
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To be right cuz he shut it down. Cuz he shut it down.
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But yes, to answer your question, is Tom Cruise by King.
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I would say allegedly that my belief based on my own opinion
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and nothing else is yes, I I and I 'cause I would also not.
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You convinced me so easily that he was done.
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And like there are done. There's still so many points
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left. I would say obviously, like
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there's a lot of support to his his queer narrative.
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But I also think that the love he had for Nicole Kidman is the
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real estate thing I've ever seen in my life.
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But how do you how do you make I mean, and I guess like that
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iconic picture of her leaving the courthouse and she's like so
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happy to be 3 of Tom Cruise do. You think it's because of like
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the Scientology of it all? Yes.
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So their divorce was very, very difficult.
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There are multiple sources who discussed that.
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Like it was Tom who filed against Nicole.
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She like begged him to stay with her, that she was very against
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his moving deeper into Scientology And so basically had
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to choose between the church and her.
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And unfortunately, due to I'm sure really scary circumstances,
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I mean, it's had he felt like he had to choose church.
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And she was, of course, devastated by this.
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Their divorce had like, carried out and it was like, very, very
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difficult and like, long and arduous.
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And so those courtroom pictures are like when they'd finally
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send the papers and they didn't have to do anything else.
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And the paparazzi took those pictures.
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And then afterwards, this is like what people don't know.
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And this is really sad. Actually.
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She when she gets in her car, she like sat in the parking lot
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and cried for like an hour. But that's like that is like fun
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to most. Of that's so sad.
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Yeah, and and so I think their relationship is very difficult,
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but actually they still have a a good relationship nowadays.
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Yeah. He was at her most recent
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birthday party. That is so cute.
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They and they have children together.
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And so they both still have a good relationship with their
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children. Yes.
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Who? Who are their?
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Kids. OK, so they have two children, a
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son and a daughter. You might be like, I've never
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seen Nicole Kidman pregnant. They're adopted, so those who
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adopted their children, but TomTom very frequently is seen
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like hanging out with their son and they like they have a lot of
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the same interests. There's a great interview.
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Sorry, my Tom Cruise knowledge is just.
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Like, no, that's a. Great, There's a great interview
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with Nicole Kidman where she is talking about the kids.
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This is probably 10 years ago. So they're like young teenagers
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at this time or like mid teenagers.
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And she's like, Oh my God, they're like such adrenaline
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junkies. Like they're always want to like
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be doing something and they're very active.
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And she goes, I mean, just look at their dad.
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And that was like after they were divorced.
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They're still very like Tom always calls her Nikki.
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Like even still in interviews, they're they're still like such
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a an effective, right. And it also makes me feel like
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their relationship is very real to them in a way that like, I
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don't know if you've noticed this.
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I don't think Tom Cruise has said the words Katie Holmes in
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15 years. Right before you started talking
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to me about this, I was very much a victim of what the media
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was telling me. Being like Tom Cruise is this
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evil Scientologist and he's trying to get everyone else like
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he is as responsible as Scientology is for all this
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shit. And like, and I don't know,
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maybe that's complicated, but like, I don't know.
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I think that's what kind of like people our generation think of
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Tom Cruise as like, oh, he's this evil Scientologist.
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And I like think I totally forgot about the possibility
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that he could have also been pressured and be a victim of
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Scientology as well. He.
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He. Joined, I want to say in the
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late, late 80s, OK. And I'm trying to remember I
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think. Like have you seen the firm?
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No, actually I know and I have to.
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My God, I try to save little treats for myself that I.
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Can that's so fair reach later. First of all, I feel like Tom
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Cruise in the firm is is first of such a good movie, but also
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they kind of make him out to be a good guy.
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But he like cheated, which is annoying.
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But he gives very much Timothy Chalamet in his, like, early
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days where he's very, like, suave and charismatic and like
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with this brown hair that's giving very much bisexual.
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And listen, if you can't read that someone is gay beyond just
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like the stereotypes of like, being like effeminate and like
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maybe being like a twink, then like, you're never gonna notice
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that Hugh Jackman is gay. Like OK, there's other ways to
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be seen as queer besides just like the classic stereotypes and
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like he just gives so. Timothy Chalamet gay brought
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bisexual to me. Yeah.
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It's almost like the fact that he is so charismatic to both men
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and women. Yes.
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Evokes that exactly. Yeah.
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Yeah, OK, so Scientology. Whoa, alleged Chicago boyfriend
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who was a pilot. Let's talk about.
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That so after so he, he, he was in Scientology.
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He's been in Scientology most of his life and most of his career
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he had, he kind of like fell off of recruiting.
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He's not ever really been someone who has been heavy on
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recruiting in the in the at least the new Millennium.
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So the recruiting other Scientologists.
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Yeah, recruiting other people in Scientology are like talking
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about it in interviews and stuff.
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And you'll notice now most people, most especially
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celebrities who are Scientologists, do not want to
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talk about it in interviews because it's bad.
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People like, yeah, press like, not good press.
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And it is like, I mean, from my perspective, in my opinion,
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allegedly a cult. And.
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And I think it's hard to kind of even for somebody that like,
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obviously to us is like as like big and famous and like seems as
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powerful as Tom Cruise. Like when he came in, like he
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was very young and very impressionable and new, new to
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the world and new to the industry.
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And like I said, he'd had a very difficult childhood.
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And we know that like Scientology kind of like keeps
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keeps the notes on. They try to get people who are
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like more vulnerable, the. Best thing that you've ever done
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and every bad thing that's ever happened to you.
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And of course, and then they threaten if.
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If you leave that, they'll release all that information,
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Right? So he's like, being gay, or at
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least being, yeah, gay at any, like, gay.
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An umbrella term in the 90s would ruin his career.
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I mean, look at what it did to Ellen DeGeneres.
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Not that I'm trying to defend Ellen DeGeneres.
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No, But it. Yeah.
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And one of the things that Scientology did claim at that
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time was also that they could cure homosexuality.
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So wait, really? They.
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Yeah. I didn't know.
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That there's another allegedly. Well, no, I think he just came
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out. John Travolta is a major
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Scientology. John Travolta came out as gay.
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Gay. Yeah, I'm pretty sure.
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Wait, what? I I heard that like he recently,
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I knew that like there were rumors about John Travolta being
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gay. The fact that like this is
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serious enough to you that you're Googling it right now is
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sending me. I feel like my dad would have
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told me about John Travolta being gay as well.
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I mean he. Looks at it, he.
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Also kind of like ties in with his links to Scientology, again,
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very similar to Tom Cruise. Like they say that they can care
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homosexuality. And then he's like, I'm not gay.
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I'm not gay, I'm not gay. He's I've continued to have
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these gay rumors. And then I I heard that he had
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just done an interview recently where they were like, people say
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that you're gay. And he was like, yeah, I mean,
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whatever. Like OK, just like, bored of
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fighting? Wait, let's talk about it, OK?
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John Travolta addresses persistent gay rumors alleged
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romance with former pilot What year is?
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This, this is an IMDb that's twenty.
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OK, this is 2014. I don't care that much about it.
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He's had these rumors and. Yeah.
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And I mean, and that's another person who's, like, huge into
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musicals and, like, Tom Cruise has been in a couple of musicals
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and always talking about how he wants to do another.
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If you sing, you're gay. You heard it here first.
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So there's this, this idea that, like, all of these guys who were
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joining Scientology at this time were trying to, like, help
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themselves in a way that they felt like nothing else could
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help. Oh my.
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God, that's so sad. And then they're really just
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taking advantage of them. They know that they'll like be
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able to be manipulated. They're like, these are really
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talented people to be great for their brand.
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Right. So, whoa.
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So really, Scientology is like, just like Christianity on
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steroids. In some ways.
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In terms of being. In terms of trying to, like,
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convert, yeah, Yeah. And like, convert conversion
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camps and stuff. Yeah.
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Yeah, totally. OK Wow.
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There are also the rumors say that in the past, like maybe 5
21:35
or so years, Tom has really fallen off even more from
21:38
Scientology because they had great disagreements about COVID.
21:42
And Tom was, like, very adamant about following COVID protocols.
21:45
Of course, because he loves movies.
21:47
He wants the movies to be made and that rant get released where
21:49
he's like, I don't want to see anybody.
21:51
And he like is like freaking out on set and like an audio
21:54
recording. Oh, I never saw.
21:55
That Scientology stance was that like, oh like you can't get
21:58
COVID if you like, carry your mind or whatever then.
22:01
He was like, so do you think that there's like a contract
22:05
that keeps him in it or do you think there's there's like a
22:08
possibility he's out of it? I think that he is not allowed
22:13
to say publicly that he is out of it, but I think like for all
22:16
intents and purposes, he appears to be got it.
22:19
So let's talk about Katie Holmes.
22:20
So and how you think that they were in a like kind of organized
22:25
Scientology relationship. Tom and Nicole got divorced in
22:30
what 2000, 2001? I don't know.
22:32
I'm asking you like you, I don't know, no offense.
22:35
Sometime in the 2000, I got divorced after 99 before like
22:39
2003. And then during that time
22:42
period, like 2003 to 2005, before he marries Katie Holmes,
22:46
he this is like a big spike in his gay rumors.
22:51
He was allegedly had this pilot boyfriend in Chicago, Tom
22:54
Cruise, You know, ever since Top Gun loves the plane.
22:58
Yeah. Judge Travolta also had a pilot
23:00
pilot friend. What is going on with these?
23:03
Pilots, I know. So he had this like, he had this
23:05
like alleged boyfriend in Chicago.
23:08
This is like 2000s. This is yeah, early 2000s.
23:11
And then this is like the big one that is like the most iconic
23:14
to me. I love when I find out a song is
23:17
about a celebrity I didn't know it was about and so this is like
23:21
something that is near and dear to my heart.
23:24
Tom Cruise was allegedly having an affair with Rob Thomas of
23:27
Matchbox 20 and allegedly. Why do I not know who that is?
23:32
You he you would like know Matchbox 20 songs?
23:35
I don't know if you'd know. Oh no, I definitely know
23:36
Matchbox 20. I'm just.
23:38
Oh, OK. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
23:39
See. The story goes that Rob Thomas's
23:42
wife caught Rob and Tom in bed together and then like, was
23:47
gonna like freak out and. Like you're like TMZ and.
23:52
Then was gonna like freak out and release the news.
23:54
So that's why like Scientology was like, we can't we can't let
23:58
this out. And they like orchestrate it.
24:00
They started auditioning women to It's giving.
24:03
It's literally giving Taylor Swift and Travis Kelly.
24:05
It's and it's. This is like VPR, our
24:08
relationship of all time is Tom Cruise and Katie, right?
24:11
And she was like, there's like so many like alleged like facts
24:15
about this and like who? I mean, there are people that
24:17
know, but nobody like the public doesn't really know.
24:20
But there's like a lot of other famous actresses that were
24:22
supposedly like auditioning as well.
24:24
And then Katie was like one of the less famous, but she was
24:27
like, she's very, she's very meek and she's very demure and
24:31
she's very, she like has a, they're like, that's perfect
24:34
Jackie O energy. Yeah, she's a classic.
24:36
Just. Feminine, yeah.
24:39
Seeming woman. I can see why Scientology was so
24:42
like and especially like compared to somebody like Nicole
24:44
Kidman, who's like very fiery and crazy and outspoken.
24:47
Right. It's like a very opposite of
24:48
that. They're like we can control her
24:50
more. Other girlfriends like are also
24:52
very usually like weird crazy women like Tom presented Cher
24:56
which is first of all, I think it might be for a man gay or
25:00
today chair than to date another man I.
25:02
Totally agree. Wait what's so funny?
25:05
And major point you just brought up is like bisexual men's taste
25:11
in women. Does not reflect straight men's
25:13
taste in. Women, right?
25:14
It's just like by women. Yeah, and exactly we have.
25:18
Our own issues with our sexualities, but we've gone
25:22
between lesbian, bisexual, lesbian, bisexual many times.
25:26
And I do feel that by women's attraction towards men is like a
25:32
weird subset of men. It's not like the same type of
25:36
men that like straight girls are into.
25:38
So that's very interesting. I've never heard of anyone talk
25:40
about that before, but that makes sense.
25:42
Like Nicole Kidman is very different from Katie Holmes.
25:45
I mean, and I would say clearly, yeah.
25:47
And, and like, no offense to either of them.
25:49
I think that they're probably both lovely.
25:51
Yeah. But I, I it does seem like the
25:54
interaction that Tom would have with, with Nicole where like,
25:57
they were very publicly affectionate.
26:00
There's like a famous picture to me where, like, she's so much
26:03
taller than him, obviously, because also like, she's a tall
26:05
woman and he's like, very famously a short man.
26:07
Yeah. And like, there's a picture
26:08
where he like is kissing like right between her shoulder
26:11
blades on her back and like on the red carpet, Like it's crazy.
26:13
Why am I standing this? See, it's.
26:16
My love is so real to me and it's another.
26:19
Thing of like just because someone's having APR
26:22
relationship doesn't mean all their relationships were PR and
26:25
it doesn't mean that they're not bi.
26:28
Like it doesn't mean that they're fully.
26:29
Gay is a great example. Right, totally.
26:32
Sometimes we've touched on this and groups of friends and it's
26:36
obvious. It's obvious that only we care
26:38
about it. So I do think that we've had to
26:42
we've had to hold back. Yeah, exactly.
26:43
This is actually just for us get into these lyrics for me of
26:47
Matchbox 20. Yes.
26:48
So as I was saying, I and I got distracted by thinking about
26:52
Nicole Kidman. This happens to me frequently.
26:54
But so he was allegedly all done with Rob Thomas.
26:57
And Rob Thomas allegedly wrote the song Lonely No More about
27:01
Tom Cruise. Now let.
27:03
Yeah, let's let's take a peek. I'm loving the lyrical analysis.
27:08
Now, it seems to me that you know just what to say, but words
27:11
are only words. Can you show me something else?
27:13
Can you swear to me that you'll always be this way?
27:15
Show me how you feel. That is like, very.
27:19
I mean, I would say that's like kind of a general love song
27:22
feeling. Yeah.
27:23
But it's it seems very much like this person is saying that they
27:26
love me, but I'm not seeing it. And swear to me that you'll
27:29
always be this way. Continue to do.
27:31
This and not just. Yes, in the closet, Yeah, in
27:35
secret or and it and it also communicates this this idea of
27:40
like I you won't demonstrate it like me being with me.
27:46
Yeah, yeah. You won't be open.
27:47
About that and then we have but I don't want to be No, this is
27:51
the chorus as we all know. I don't want to be lonely no
27:53
more. I don't want to have to pay for
27:55
this. I don't want another lover at my
27:57
door. Now remember the story allegedly
27:59
is that his wife, like walked in on them.
28:02
I don't want another lover at my door.
28:03
It's just another heartache on my list.
28:05
Obviously, like he has heartache over this relationship with Tom
28:08
Cruise, but also heartache over his, like, his wife, right?
28:12
Well, it's like you can't really feel.
28:14
Heartache. You cheat on her.
28:15
Right. Like this is your fault.
28:16
That I can understand. He's like, he's like, not only
28:18
am I losing this relationship, but I'm also losing the other
28:21
relationship I have. It's just another heartache on
28:23
my list, which is like in the context of the song that
28:26
otherwise doesn't make sense. It doesn't make sense.
28:28
Right. Open up to me like you do your
28:30
girlfriends. OK, think about that.
28:33
Open up to me like you do your girlfriends.
28:35
Obviously in the context of the song where you're, you're
28:37
interpreting it as heterosexual, be like, like your friends,
28:40
girl. Open up to me like you would be
28:41
your friends. Or in the context of like you
28:44
actually had these girlfriends, probably during their
28:48
relationship. It's like, why don't you treat
28:49
me like you treat those? Women or my girlfriends on TMZ
28:53
and. Also, it's more of a stretch to
28:56
take it as girl space friends than it is to say, like
29:01
girlfriends. Right.
29:02
It's written girlfriend, no space.
29:04
Girlfriends and And we know Oh my God, the last one.
29:09
What if I was good to you? And what if you were good to me?
29:12
And what if I could hold you till I feel you move inside me?
29:15
Now what would a straight man know about?
29:16
That that is, I was talking this podcast, I say, you know, being
29:21
queer is not, it's not about sex, it's about a community.
29:25
It's about love. Whatever.
29:27
Also, this is about gay sex. This.
29:29
Is about gay sex and I'm not about to erase gay sex.
29:33
What do you? Mean move inside me unless he's
29:38
being penetrated by a woman. Yeah, which is like now you're
29:43
writing, now it's like now this is a great taboo.
29:45
Had to be like, oh, you could interpret this strength.
29:47
Right, you have to stretch. It makes wait genuinely.
29:51
Let's pause in a second. Besides sex, what could that
29:55
possibly? Mean till I feel you move inside
29:57
me. Hold you till I feel you move
29:59
inside me. And that's great, Oh my God.
30:03
And then the following line is And what if it was paradise?
30:07
And what if we were symphonies? And what if I gave all my life
30:10
to find some way to stand beside you?
30:12
And this is another thing I know I I'm obviously familiar with
30:15
your work. This is something thanks.
30:18
Say, I would say frequently about Taylor Swift.
30:21
Is that like there's so many lines and so many songs where
30:26
she's discussing like, oh, I can't, I can't let people know.
30:29
I can't let people know. I can't let people know.
30:31
And this what if I gave all my life to try to find some way to
30:35
stand beside you? Why would that be about his
30:37
wife, who he's married to right and like this is so this is so
30:43
much more makes sense of something like we like how can
30:46
we as people who are not allowed to be gay publicly, Like how can
30:51
we be together right and I literally can't publicly stand
30:55
beside. You literally how can we do
30:57
that? It's so clear because if this
30:59
was about anyone else, why would he try to spend his entire life
31:03
trying to figure out how to be publicly in this relationship?
31:07
It's crazy. That's insane.
31:09
I've never thought about it this way.
31:12
OK, it's us into Katie Holmes. So the Rob Thomas drama
31:15
allegedly brings us to a quick, quick marriage to Katie Holmes,
31:20
who had never before been seen publicly with Tom and before
31:23
they started dating very publicly.
31:24
Pap walks. You know how it goes.
31:26
Yeah, and then literally like. Yeah.
31:29
And they had this relationship and they had their daughter.
31:33
And it's hard to say how much it became real, but it is very.
31:37
Right. It started out very constructed.
31:40
Yeah, Oprah freak out. I was going to say with the
31:42
Oprah freak, No, I don't know what the Oprah freak out is.
31:44
During his marriage to Katie Holmes, he.
31:47
His career had like kind of taken a turn for the worse.
31:50
He was making not as good movies as people were used to.
31:53
Really. I feel like maybe that's just
31:54
'cause I was like at the. Age where I was noticing
31:56
celebrities when I was like, noticing him and Katie Holmes.
31:59
Yes, and so he and the thing he was most famous for at the time
32:04
was like how public this relationship was.
32:06
Right, that's all he was focused.
32:07
On yeah, and that makes sense. He went on Oprah and she kind of
32:11
was like asking him a lot of questions about her and he
32:16
basically like he like snaps and he starts like jumping up and
32:20
down on the couch. I mean, like, I love Katie
32:23
Holmes, I love my wife like, and it's like it's a famous
32:26
celebrity freak out. And it's this is around the time
32:29
I want to say this is also 2007 if I'm not mistaken.
32:32
It's around the time of the Britney freak out.
32:33
At the end of this podcast and you aren't allowed to skip.
32:39
You have to watch the rest of it.
32:41
I'm gonna add this clip. The Oprah figure.
32:44
You should also add the Colin Farrell clip.
32:45
It's. Absolutely.
32:46
OK, great. Half his podcast is gonna be
32:48
like clips of dumb. So funny.
32:50
My God, cuz I haven't even seen that.
32:52
Yeah, you're gonna. I'm so excited to watch.
32:54
But basically he has this very public freak out and I think it
32:59
would it would make a lot of sense to me if he was like kind
33:03
of under a lot of mental duress and like he had to keep feeling
33:05
these questions where people were questioning his marriage,
33:08
which was probably fake, right. And that would be really he's
33:11
like, I love her, I love her. OK, exactly.
33:13
And kind of like snaps and like that then after the Ober freak
33:18
out like he was like kind of like a pariah for like 5 years
33:21
cuz people were like he's psychotic.
33:24
No way. That's so interesting.
33:27
Yeah. So the reason why we started
33:29
talking about this is because there is, was it LA or some
33:34
other night of the era's tour where Tom Cruise was there and
33:39
was Hugh Jackman there? Probably London.
33:42
It was London because that's where he lives and and Maddie
33:46
was like, oh, did you see Tom Cruise shut up with his
33:47
boyfriend? And I was like, hello.
33:49
Whoa, what took? 5 pins of that, Yeah, I was like
33:54
everyone. Shut the fuck up.
33:56
You're telling me airs tour Plus yes, Tom Cruise and a boyfriend.
33:59
So there are a lot of men that Tom Cruise is allegedly linked
34:02
to and there are a lot of men I don't even know if have had a
34:05
relationship with Tom Cruise who are obsessed with him, for
34:08
example. This is just a fun little
34:09
tidbit. He just has like.
34:10
Fanboys sun Cruise after Tom Cruise and they're like friends.
34:15
That's weird, right? Yeah, that is weird.
34:18
Anyway, David Beckham always gave me like I don't.
34:22
And it's giving like what's what's scares and scares maybe
34:25
dating a Spice Girl, right? And two of the Spice Girls were
34:28
gay. Can't even get a know.
34:30
What? Talks about.
34:31
Yeah, exactly. And so anyway, we'll talk about
34:34
it later. So Tuckers is like allegedly
34:35
linked to all these men. You guys can look it up like
34:37
they're all these, all these theories.
34:40
People believe now that he is in some sort of probably throuple
34:45
with Christopher McCoy and his wife.
34:49
And Christopher Mcquarrie is who he's been doing the most recent
34:53
Mission Impossible movies with. So he's directed, I wanna say
34:57
the last two or three, yeah. And they have like a very close
35:01
working relationship. They're very good, go watch
35:03
them. They are good, I love them this.
35:05
Podcast is paid for by Mission Impossible three we're.
35:09
Doing Mission Impossible 8 next year 80.
35:11
We're already on 8/8. So I had no idea it's.
35:14
Gonna be great. OK, we'll be there.
35:16
I thought. I only thought there were two.
35:18
One time I'm gonna have to talk about Henry Cavill with you, but
35:20
we can't get into that. Wait, I thought he was out.
35:25
There's so many gay. Things of Hollywood, like I know
35:27
I'm we're so focused on this and by the way, how many gay rumors
35:31
until it's just true? Right.
35:33
Because because it's like there's a lot of celebrities
35:35
that don't. Have any gay rumors?
35:37
Yeah, Brad Pitt. I would never call Brad Pitt.
35:40
Gay, that's so true. Gay bone and brad's body that's
35:42
a very good point in interview with the vampire together known
35:45
as one of Tom Cruise's gayest roles and Brad Pitt doesn't have
35:48
a single gay rumor because we don't have gay.
35:51
Wait, do you think Ben Affleck is gay?
35:54
We can't get into that on this podcast.
35:57
I think Ben Affleck is gay only in this world.
36:00
For Matt Damon, Yes, I think Ben Affleck is a heterosexual man
36:03
who is in love with a man in a way that I don't even know if
36:06
he's capable of understanding, I think.
36:08
He is bi and thinks he just like has a really close friendship.
36:14
Yeah. And you know, the this kind of
36:16
people where it's like, Oh my God.
36:17
Like if they are by, it's like only for like one person, you
36:20
know, it takes. One, it takes like he is like,
36:22
what do they call that? Like he is like a Kinsey one,
36:25
actually. There's a scale.
36:28
There's a spectrum. OK, so Christopher Mcquarrie,
36:32
and that is who he came to the air store with, is his alleged
36:36
boyfriend and director and collaborator, Christopher
36:38
Mcquarrie, Which is so funny because if you watch the footage
36:41
and I have, Christopher Mcquarrie is like literally
36:44
standing around there. He's wearing his suit.
36:45
He's always in a suit and he's like standing around there like
36:48
I don't know what's going on. So.
36:50
Top boyfriend at home literally. And then Tom is like people are
36:54
throwing friendship races at the time.
36:55
He's like, he just. Literally.
36:58
And honestly, when you said that, I was like, that makes so
37:00
much more sense. Like he does give.
37:02
He's like having a good time. He's like lover boy.
37:05
Like like during lover he was like, yeah, it's so it's cute.
37:10
And like, were you saying that you thought at that point that
37:13
maybe he's like on the outs of Scientology?
37:16
Yeah. And just, he just can't be
37:18
honest about it. Yeah, That is, do you think that
37:20
he'll he has that strong of a contract or something with
37:24
Scientology or just because he's worried about them exposing that
37:27
he's gay? I think that there's, I think
37:29
I'm sure it's very complicated. I don't know if they like have
37:32
contracts but I'm sure that they have blackmail on Tom that like
37:35
doesn't even include him being gay.
37:37
Right. Thinks just anything he's ever
37:39
done in the past 60 years of his life like that.
37:43
That is my estimate. I think he probably doesn't even
37:45
care. I mean he once again, he doesn't
37:47
really sue people for calling him gay anymore.
37:49
I think he probably just like doesn't want his.
37:51
I think he just doesn't his personal past released.
37:53
That makes sense, I think he thinks.
37:55
I don't think he cares about. People think he's, I mean, well,
37:56
it makes sense. He's going to the air store with
37:58
his boyfriend, right? Yeah.
38:00
And this all tracks with what we've seen from Scientology and
38:03
that people are like, it's so emotionally abusive.
38:06
So it's not like we're like stretching that far.
38:09
No, Right. Yeah, 'cause like, I mean, I, I
38:12
think regardless of what you think about Tom Cruise's
38:14
sexuality, I think it's pretty clear that Scientology has them
38:17
under their thumb in a way that he's no longer comfortable with.
38:19
Right. So what is all this about the
38:22
tabloids reporting that Tom is dating anyone?
38:24
He stands. Near oh so true.
38:25
OK, so this is this has to do with the Mission Impossible
38:27
thing. So like he was with Haley Atwell
38:30
because she was in Mission Impossible 7 with him.
38:33
And so like he would like be cop places with her caught.
38:35
I mean, they were just like going to dinner and stuff,
38:37
right? But he would be out when they're
38:39
filming a movie, then they're filming a movie.
38:42
And I think this might have even happened before she was
38:44
announced cast. So there were like these rumors
38:47
that like they were dating and like he didn't say anything and
38:52
her camp didn't say anything. And then after the movie came
38:55
out, she was like, yeah, I have made like engaged.
38:56
I've been in a relationship for years and years with my my
38:59
fiance now husband. And you think they just did like
39:02
that? Buster, just to cover.
39:04
Up Yeah, always, always there's like rumors about him, like
39:08
dating just literally any woman in the world and they'll.
39:10
I've know recently there was like this like kind of like not
39:14
heiress. What is the word socialite?
39:17
OK, there's this like social European socialite that he was
39:20
like took a picture with her at a party and he has like his arm
39:23
around her. And then then there was like an
39:25
article like Tom Cruise's mysterious New Girl.
39:28
And then she was literally like she posted on her story.
39:30
She's like, I'm so flattered by this.
39:32
But I asked him for a picture like maybe he doesn't even like
39:34
know me like that. Dude if that was me I'd be like
39:36
the rumors are true rumors. Are true exactly.
39:39
I mean, yeah, and, and now, like there's been like pictures of
39:42
him that are released in the last like 5 or 6 months.
39:44
And like if he's standing next to a woman, he doesn't like even
39:46
put his arms around her anymore because it's like.
39:48
So now he's like, I'm not even trying to be associated with
39:52
women anymore. Y'all are.
39:54
Just trying content and maybe they're also like, well, Tom
40:00
Cruise is single, he must be dating women.
40:02
So any woman figure. Out who it is before everybody
40:05
else does. But it's like he's not dating
40:07
women, he's dating. Look a little couple.
40:09
Just look, look right in front of your eyes.
40:15
It's the people that are right in front of you.
40:17
That's so true. OK, well, that was amazing.
40:20
I feel like I'm fully convinced. Let's talk about Leonardo
40:23
DiCaprio. Virtually have less to say about
40:24
this. I'm that's OK, this is all just
40:26
this. Is just, I just wanted to add on
40:28
to because we've talked about a few gay kings at this point.
40:32
Yeah, we've talked about right, Yeah.
40:36
Who was the other one? Thomas.
40:39
Henry Cavill. Henry Cavill, yeah.
40:41
And Leo DiCaprio. And I just think it's an
40:44
interesting point to throw out because when you brought up this
40:48
theory, I've got into fights of people about it.
40:51
Actually, I think me and my girlfriend Sophia, you know, you
40:53
guys know her. You guys know her?
40:55
You know her, we were in Mexico, lovely 24 hour vacation and we
40:59
were drinking and I was like, have you ever thought about
41:01
Leonardo DiCaprio? Like maybe being gay and like
41:03
only dating models to cover up his sexuality?
41:06
And she was like, I really don't think so.
41:07
And I was like, hey, it's gay. Anyways.
41:09
She didn't actually, she wasn't passionate about it.
41:11
But like, once I started thinking about it, it really
41:15
does make sense. And it's not the craziest thing.
41:19
And that's just kind of like my larger argument where it's like
41:24
men who don't necessarily look like twinks can be gay,
41:30
especially when they have these like, really tight romances.
41:34
We all hear what men do in closed doors.
41:36
They. Do sword fights and all this.
41:38
Shit, so they're close enough to doing it and OK, so let's just
41:43
get into it. Let's get into it.
41:44
So yeah, I did you bring this up to me?
41:49
You. Did.
41:49
Yeah, Yeah. Cuz like obviously like you're
41:51
like the number one, like I think the celebrity's gay person
41:54
in the world other than maybe me.
41:56
And it's funny because like, I didn't even.
41:58
Start feeling this way until like Taylor Swift started
42:02
flagging so much and then like you start picking up on like
42:05
similar themes of other celebrities.
42:07
Not that anyone that's single for a long time is gay, but it
42:11
doesn't help if you like, I don't know, Taylor Swift has
42:14
never actually walked a red carpet with a man ever in her
42:17
life. Yeah.
42:17
I Leonardo DiCaprio until you said it.
42:20
And that like kind of really shocked me.
42:22
It's like. No ones good enough for the red
42:24
carpet. Yeah, they would.
42:25
Go to each others premieres for five years.
42:28
So they would show up separately and walk the red carpet
42:30
separately. So weird.
42:32
I get like not wanting to center your partner in your work, but
42:36
like getting a solo picture and then getting a six years and six
42:40
years, Maddie. Question is begged to be asked.
42:44
Leonardo DiCaprio has had this stereotype put on him like.
42:48
Being the spatula that only dates 25 year old model.
42:50
It's been going on for 15 years, don't you think?
42:52
And by the way, it's like kind of negative.
42:54
I mean, you could argue it's positive, but like, wouldn't it
42:57
be amazing? The tabloids will go fucking
42:59
crazy in a good way if he started dating a 35 year old
43:03
woman. They would if he started dating
43:05
a couple. If he started dating you or I at
43:07
our young. 27 years old. Are you 27?
43:10
Also you're 26. How old?
43:11
I'm 27, you're. Oh my God, we're both 27 hitting
43:14
you or I at 27. It would be the the biggest
43:17
thing in right for the week. But.
43:18
Think about another Playboy bachelor, George Clooney, right,
43:24
who I don't even think is gay, that got into a relationship
43:27
with Amal Clooney, Icon, legend, smartest woman in the.
43:30
World beautiful, stunning, genius, Age appropriate.
43:33
I don't think she's still younger than him, but she's not
43:35
15, so huge benefit there. But anyways, they got a
43:39
relationship eight couple. So after that, don't you think
43:43
Leo DiCaprio would be like an amazing, like a perfect person
43:47
to set up for like a power couple like you said, right?
43:50
So it's that would be so beneficial for me every time.
43:54
So when you said it's a win win scenario for him to be able to
43:58
cover up his queerness by continually feeding this yeah,
44:02
negative stereotype of maybe not as bad and career ruining as him
44:06
being gay because all of his fans are middle-aged women.
44:09
Right. And, and I, I actually think
44:11
that for his image, especially like the type of roles that he's
44:15
going for, especially now as he gets older, he he like kind of
44:19
like left this heartthrobby image of himself behind him.
44:23
Titanic, right. And maybe, maybe a ten years
44:25
after that. Yeah.
44:27
Because I would say like, he's still pretty heartthrobby and
44:29
like, catch me if you can and stuff like that.
44:31
But he, I would say for at least the past 10 or 15 years,
44:34
especially the last 10 years since the Oscar win, he has been
44:37
like really hungry for roles that are really challenging and.
44:41
Really complicated date and age appropriate woman.
44:44
Yeah, yeah. And, and, and it's like, I think
44:47
he likes the idea of like if people have these negative
44:51
thoughts about me, like being a bad person, I'm more likely to
44:54
get cast in these roles where I will be a bad person in the
44:58
role. And so like, I think he's like,
45:01
thinks it's giving him the roles that he wants.
45:03
Actually, that makes sense. Yeah.
45:04
And like I said, I had to explain to you, it's it's
45:06
beneficial for these models, these young models come out and
45:09
gives them a career. Yeah, it gives them like 25
45:12
everybody they get. Photographed a ton and they're
45:15
almost always models. And every time they're
45:18
photographed on vacation, it's always like them and Leo.
45:22
Who else is there? Maddie.
45:25
Typically, either Tobey Maguire or Bradley Cooper is also on
45:29
vacation with this. Oh my God, We didn't even get
45:32
into Bradley. That's what that's what I
45:34
realized. I was like, Oh my God, we didn't
45:35
even put Bradley Cooper. But Bradley Cooper, by the way,
45:38
shut up. Gigi Hadid dated both of them,
45:41
Leonardo DiCaprio and Bradley Oh.
45:42
My God, you're. Right.
45:43
Do you guys think that's weird? Because.
45:44
And by the way, I don't even think Gigi's great.
45:46
I think Gigi's just on a side quest.
45:48
Yeah, well, and because I and like, met Bradley through like
45:51
the bearding of Hugh. Jackman and is.
45:53
That like she, she's literally been everybody's beard.
45:56
An average. Yeah, in the world.
45:58
I'm the only person that she's ever dated that wasn't like an
46:00
old man and was Zane, was Zane and they have like child
46:03
together. And then I got my baby and I got
46:05
out. That's I think she has her baby
46:07
and she's chilling and she's like, I think she's close
46:10
friends in this group. I mean, it makes sense.
46:12
OK, this old gay guys. Oh my God.
46:15
It's no group. I would rather ingratiate
46:17
myself. This group is literally like the
46:19
heirs to her, like. And also these people have all
46:21
been in the NFL, but pretty much Hugh Jackman and his boyfriend.
46:24
Yeah, Anthony from Queer Eye and what the fuck?
46:29
Think Lively and Ryan Reynolds. Who?
46:32
Ryan Reynolds bisexual Tom Cruise and couple who he's
46:39
dating Bradley Cooper who is now going these double dates with
46:43
Gigi Bradley, Travis kelstein, Taylor so.
46:46
They're surrounding, they're cleaning.
46:50
Out and like they're going out and they're like.
46:52
No one knows like I was like but.
46:54
We know, and I'm so jealous. And by the way, guys, they're
46:58
doing coke. They're not like going home to
47:01
have babies. They're in Hollywood.
47:02
I think people have this idea that celebrities that are kind
47:06
of just, like wholesome and just like us and aren't doing drugs
47:09
and aren't going out. They're not settling down and
47:14
having a family and voting for Trump, right?
47:16
They're all gay and they're going to Big Star and they're
47:18
doing coke and they're sleeping with each other.
47:20
Yeah. And even if they aren't gay, the
47:23
cheating that is going on and that is.
47:25
Going on would shock people. Shocking.
47:29
So like, regardless of the queerness, the infidelity, the
47:32
ruffles. Yep, yeah, group sex parties,
47:35
right? That's crazy.
47:36
So anyways. People just have no idea.
47:40
And also, I mean, that's kind of like what the media wants to
47:42
push out because they want to make them relatable for the rest
47:45
of America. Like I get it, but it's not the
47:47
reality. I, I will say on that Leonardo
47:50
DiCaprio, it's beneficial for these women.
47:53
I've I've heard, I don't even remember genuinely where I heard
47:56
this, but somebody said said that like he has like in the
48:00
contract, the car contract with these women that like the reason
48:04
that it ends at 25 is because like he wants them to still like
48:08
have time to go like Gigi and have her family and like so
48:12
sweet. And I, I, I'm, I'm turning the
48:15
narrative of being like, is he? An evil womanizing, basically a
48:20
pedophile or is he a sweet old gay man helping women, young
48:25
women rise up in their careers because Camilla Marone won an
48:28
Emmy Award after dating him. So whatnot all about
48:31
perspective. She was nominated, right?
48:34
The biggest thing, especially for the men.
48:36
And I do think there's like a different experience here for
48:41
like men in Hollywood is their fan bases are women who are
48:46
sexually interested in them. And if Leonardo DiCaprio is gay,
48:53
what happens to all these middle-aged women that are like
48:56
thirsting over him? I will also say one more thing
48:59
about this. One of his closest friends and
49:02
has been since 1999. Yes, this is the way to end.
49:08
This is the real thing. One of his closest friends is
49:11
Kate Winslet and they have been very, very close.
49:14
They did another movie together in 2005, Revolutionary Road and
49:18
Kate and Leo have continued to be friends.
49:20
And mind you, they let's say theoretically he were to date
49:24
someone like Kate Winslet, who is a beautiful, age appropriate
49:27
woman for him. But he's never done that right.
49:29
That's weird. But like he keeps her in his
49:31
life all the time and she puts up with him.
49:34
Would this amazing woman be putting up with this guy dating
49:37
22 year olds? Like for real?
49:39
And she famously, this is almost 10 years ago now.
49:43
She said, I know at least five A list actors in Hollywood, men
49:51
like who are terrified of coming out because of how Hollywood
49:56
would react. I would also say especially in
49:58
the movie industry, like I know you kind of focus a lot more on
50:01
music and I don't know anything about music, but in the film
50:05
industry, the the things that matter other than like, of
50:09
course, like box office. And like you said, his fan base
50:11
is like mostly women are mother's age, right?
50:14
No, because like, that's when he was like a hot guy other than
50:19
box office awards. And I think people pretty
50:22
obviously know that he was really thirsty for that Oscar
50:25
for a while. And the voting bodies of these
50:30
awards shows are like, it's worse than the Senate.
50:35
These are these are straight by old men.
50:37
That's a very good point. Like here, if you're a gay guy,
50:41
it's harder to get in there and and not that it doesn't happen.
50:44
And that's a Coleman Domingo. That's a very good point as an
50:49
out gay black man, right. But is that because they're
50:53
like? Here's the Gay Black Man Award.
50:56
That's hard to say. No, that's a very good point.
50:59
It's not. It's not just fans and the
51:01
perception of a celebrity. It's also like Leo for so long
51:05
didn't have an Oscar. Everyone was like, let's get him
51:07
that Oscar. And yeah, that's such a good
51:10
point. Who's voting for him?
51:11
Yeah. Yeah.
51:12
I think we covered a lot. I think we covered.
51:14
That was amazing. That was so great.
51:16
Thanks for joining me anytime. We're about to continue drinking
51:20
wine and talking about other people.
51:21
Probably will continue to talk with us at expense of your
51:24
remains. That's fine.
51:26
Oh, OK. Bye, guys.
51:27
Have a great week. Don't think about Trump being
51:28
president. Yeah, just pretend that didn't
51:30
happen. Bye.