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The Church of Satan Is Just Juggalos With Better PR · Under the Docs

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  Speaker 1: Church of Satan is better than all the other religions
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  Speaker 1: because we care about people. We're people, you know, we're
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  Speaker 1: people first. Under the docks.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, under the docks.
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  Speaker 3: Very deep and we're breaking the locks. Furniture got cut,
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  Speaker 3: they erase all the shots.
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  Speaker 2: They collect the dots.
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  Speaker 3: Under the docks.
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  Speaker 2: Under the docks. Yeah, under the docks.
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  Speaker 2: Say your prayers, little girls, because we're talking about an
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  Speaker 2: American Satan today. This is a 2019 documentary. It's about
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  Speaker 2: 72 minutes long by someone named Aram Gariga. Probably got
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  Speaker 2: that totally wrong, but I don't really care too much.
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  Speaker 2: And this isn't necessarily like a network or like a
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  Speaker 2: mainstream produced documentary. I'm the bus entertainment. And essentially this
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  Speaker 2: is out on to be Apple TV, a few other places.
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  Speaker 2: And it, essentially is a breakdown of the Church of Satan,
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  Speaker 2: and it follows one of their high priests and a
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  Speaker 2: whole bunch of other members of the Church of Satan.
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  Speaker 2: And instead of talking necessarily about Satanism in general, I
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  Speaker 2: do think this one is specifically about the Church of
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  Speaker 2: Satan and Anton LaVey. So just to get that out
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  Speaker 2: of the way, it's not completely comprehensive Satanism, but we're
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  Speaker 2: definitely going to say the word Satan enough times to
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  Speaker 2: maybe conjure a demon at some point. Plotting the course
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  Speaker 2: of an American Satan. So this one is really about
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  Speaker 2: all of the cult members of the Church of Satan,
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  Speaker 2: how it started, the background of Anton LaVey, like why
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  Speaker 2: he created it, how he created it. And then it
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  Speaker 2: kind of touches a little bit, obviously, on the fun
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  Speaker 2: parts of Satanic Panic and sort of uh, these church
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  Speaker 2: of Satan members view on how they themselves are also
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  Speaker 2: perceived throughout all of this. So going into this prior,
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  Speaker 2: what was your expectation of when I, when I'm, I'll
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  Speaker 2: take the claim, right? Like I was the one that
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  Speaker 2: was like, Hey, we should watch this documentary about Satan.
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  Speaker 2: So even if one of us do go to hell
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  Speaker 2: or get possessed, it is my fault. I apologize ahead
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  Speaker 2: of time.
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  Speaker 1: The Anton LaVey, like I kind of knew who he was.
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  Speaker 1: And like, it's actually interesting. I won't get too much
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  Speaker 1: away in this documentary because when you're watching it, I
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  Speaker 1: thought all the Satanists was the same. And then watching this,
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, there's different like denominations. Like what the hell?
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  Speaker 1: Like I didn't even know that that was a thing.
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  Speaker 1: But obviously I should have realized that humans can't coexist
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  Speaker 1: under one umbrella. They're like, oh, you preach to Satan
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  Speaker 1: this way? That's how we pray to Satan. And then
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  Speaker 1: this one was very interesting to kind of reveal where
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  Speaker 1: they're are like what we got wrong about Satanism, right?
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  Speaker 1: In the beginning, it's like, they're like, this is what
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  Speaker 1: you got wrong about Satan. We're not cutting up babies
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  Speaker 1: and drinking their blood. Like, you know what I mean? Like,
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  Speaker 1: that's like kind of the feel that they're, and then
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  Speaker 1: they kind of leaned into the satanic panic stuff. So
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  Speaker 1: going in, I thought I was going to see like
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  Speaker 1: symbolism and like the temple of Satan and like people
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  Speaker 1: like blood sacrifices. And they're like, no, we just like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, we just chill, bro. And we just don't
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  Speaker 1: believe in God.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I don't trust that. So let me get
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  Speaker 2: my own bias or at least like my filters on
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  Speaker 2: the table because I might be completely wrong about this.
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  Speaker 2: But this documentary seems to kind of reinforce my understanding.
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  Speaker 2: So you've got Church of Satan, which starts in the 60s.
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  Speaker 2: And this is the Anton LaVey's and what this documentary
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  Speaker 2: is about. And they're kind of the... theater kid, LARPer,
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  Speaker 2: like celebrity Hollywood music aspect of this. They're in it
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  Speaker 2: like the Marilyn Manson-esque doing it for the big show
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  Speaker 2: and doing it because it's counterculture and, you know, screw
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  Speaker 2: pop culture kind of thing. Kind of like evil hippies,
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  Speaker 2: but they would argue evil's not the right word unless
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  Speaker 2: it's about, you know, the LARPing version of evil, like
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  Speaker 2: goth hippies. Maybe that's the better way. So Church of
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  Speaker 2: Satan or goth hippies. And then you've got the Satanic Temple,
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  Speaker 2: and I believe the Satanic Temple by Lucian Graves is
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  Speaker 2: the guy that runs that with the scar over his eye.
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  Speaker 2: He plays the part. That one is the litigious version
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  Speaker 2: of anti-Christians. So anything that like Christians do somewhere, they
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  Speaker 2: put up a statue or they've get, you know, the,
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  Speaker 2: the 10 commandments put into a courthouse, they'll find those
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  Speaker 2: instances and be like, well, no, we want Baphomet in
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  Speaker 2: the courthouse. And like, they kind of do this tit
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  Speaker 2: for tat sort of approach. And they also say, as
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  Speaker 2: an official high level, don't claim that they actually worship
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  Speaker 2: any sort of deity. They're just this like oppositional to Christians.
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  Speaker 2: Then you got the Luciferians, which may or may not
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  Speaker 2: argue that they're even talking about some Luciferians believe that
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  Speaker 2: the devil is such a trickster that he convinced the
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  Speaker 2: world that the devil is actually Jesus and that who
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  Speaker 2: we think is the devil, he's the Jesus and our
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  Speaker 2: Jesus is the devil or whatever. It gets into like
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  Speaker 2: So those are just three of the probably thousands of
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  Speaker 2: different denominations of Satanism. This one's about Anton LaVey, and
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  Speaker 2: it does a decent job of breaking down his origin story.
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  Speaker 2: So San Francisco, 1966, this is when he creates the
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  Speaker 2: Church of Satan. And I've got a little extra context
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  Speaker 2: on this because I've read a few of his biographies.
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  Speaker 2: And they kind of cover the broad strokes. The most
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  Speaker 2: important part is he's a carny like that. Anton LaVey's
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  Speaker 2: entire life starts out where he basically runs away from
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  Speaker 2: home and he joins the circus, like literally. And he
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  Speaker 2: even becomes a lion tamer at one point where the
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  Speaker 2: dude that like opens the lion's head and he sticks
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  Speaker 2: his head inside of the mouth and all that. Like,
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  Speaker 2: so that's Anton LaVey, this big showman. He's in there
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  Speaker 2: for like this big shock treatment. He's kind of vaudevillian.
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  Speaker 2: He can play the piano. He does lounge singing, you know,
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  Speaker 2: Theater kid, right? I said that earlier. So at one point,
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  Speaker 2: he basically is doing this show in a cabaret, playing
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  Speaker 2: piano and all this, and declares that this is going
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  Speaker 2: to be the Church of Satan. This is the first.
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  Speaker 2: Guess what? You came here for cocktails and hear me sing. Well,
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  Speaker 2: you're also being indoctrinated into the Church of Satan. Welcome
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  Speaker 2: to the church. So I wonder how many people went
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  Speaker 2: back after that first night. Yeah, they're like, oh, I
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  Speaker 2: love it here, man.
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  Speaker 1: Church is saying and also to you just described it
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  Speaker 1: perfectly like they're like nerds, like people that didn't fit
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  Speaker 1: in the outcasts. It's like stranger things, but like they're
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  Speaker 1: finding the devil, right? Like instead of like some evil
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  Speaker 1: thing they're fighting, they're just like praising it. And I
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  Speaker 1: find it ironic through the whole thing. It's like, it
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  Speaker 1: does seem like people that want to fit in. And also,
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  Speaker 1: you know, everybody knows people that are just like, I,
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  Speaker 1: whatever you like, I'm opposite.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 1: Like for instance, like I'm, we're a Michigan family. We
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  Speaker 1: all like Michigan football. We like watching it. There's always
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  Speaker 1: one person that's like, you like them. I like Minnesota gophers.
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  Speaker 1: And you're like, what bro? Like the same, like nobody,
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  Speaker 1: you don't live around there. You know, it's just, it
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  Speaker 1: kind of gives me that vibe where they're like, all
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  Speaker 1: these Christians are like, well, I kind of praise Satan.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. Very contrarian. That's a really great way
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  Speaker 2: of putting this. And here's just a fun little detail.
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  Speaker 2: One of the reasons that you watch Under the Docks
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  Speaker 2: is for some extra little levels of insight. But I
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  Speaker 2: actually know the exact moment when Anton LaVey decided he
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  Speaker 2: was going to become a Satanist. It was like a
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  Speaker 2: week prior to that first meeting in 1966. And he's
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  Speaker 2: watching a TV show called Wild Wild West, which is
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  Speaker 2: actually a pretty dope TV show. I think it's like
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  Speaker 2: the 70s or the early 60s. And in the episode,
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  Speaker 2: he runs in there investigating this cult that like runs
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  Speaker 2: this mind control cult in this town. And the guy
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  Speaker 2: running the cult basically has, he calls himself Asmodeus. And
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  Speaker 2: he's got a shaved head and he's got a pointy
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  Speaker 2: little goatee. Like the exact look. that Anton LaVey eventually adopts.
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  Speaker 2: So he sees this on TV, and he's like, wow,
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  Speaker 2: what a great theme, what a great shtick. And the
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  Speaker 2: next time he goes to work at the cabaret, he
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  Speaker 2: shaves his head, and he makes a little pointed goatee,
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  Speaker 2: and that's when he declares Church of Satan. So even
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  Speaker 2: the visual persona that people bring to mind when they
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  Speaker 2: think of Anton LaVey, that's actually based on a TV
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  Speaker 2: show called Wild Wild West. The episode was Night of
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  Speaker 2: the Druid's Blood. So it's just, that's occupying space in
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  Speaker 2: my brain that could be doing something more useful. But
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  Speaker 2: for some reason I know stupid bits of trivia like that.
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  Speaker 2: So just over the top, uh, to consider that the
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  Speaker 2: Church of Satan and Anton LaVey's Satanism is essentially like
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  Speaker 2: a vaudevillian, drama kid, contrarian act. That's the premise I get.
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  Speaker 2: And a fun tell that a large majority of the
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  Speaker 2: different people that get interviewed in the Church of Satan
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  Speaker 2: and all the high priests, it's like, yeah, you know,
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  Speaker 2: I've got a band too. Or like, yeah, you know,
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  Speaker 2: I'm also kind of an artist. Check out this little guy.
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  Speaker 2: So I'm not hating on any of that, but it
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  Speaker 2: just feels like maybe you joined this group in order
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  Speaker 2: to fully promote the thing that you got going on.
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  Speaker 2: Or it's like a reason, like, oh, come to my show.
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  Speaker 2: We're actually Satanists. We're kind of badass. That's why you
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  Speaker 2: want to come to my show.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know if you want to go see
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  Speaker 1: that Christian metal band. We really worship Satan hard. And
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  Speaker 1: then they start leaning into that. Like, cause I thought
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  Speaker 1: that was great too. But if that's, I like that
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  Speaker 1: fun fact because it shows you that no matter what
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  Speaker 1: you're doing, you're trying to create a brand so you
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  Speaker 1: can captivate people. Like all these outcast people or even
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  Speaker 1: people that are like, I was a victim of this too. Like,
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  Speaker 1: I only listen to underground hip hop, bro. I don't
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  Speaker 1: listen to that mainstream, but you're still creating. And I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: we don't create brands. brands and and market and you're
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  Speaker 1: like oh wait there's a market for everything right like
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  Speaker 1: it just goes back to like marketing is almost everywhere
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  Speaker 1: like and he marketed himself to brand himself to be
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  Speaker 1: this lead of the state and he took and is
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  Speaker 1: the face of it and then as they're going through
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  Speaker 1: it it tripped me out where they're like well you
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  Speaker 1: know we don't really worship satan we're more of like
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  Speaker 1: for the people we're about the people and humans and
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  Speaker 1: humans are where it connects and it's like They're kind
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  Speaker 1: of like anti-religious so much, but I'm like, but you're
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  Speaker 1: doing the same thing. You're like, Hey, can you pay $ 200?
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  Speaker 1: Then you could be in the church with us. No problem.
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  Speaker 1: And we'll, we'll validate you and everything, you know, and
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  Speaker 1: we'll give you a little, a little certification. You're part
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  Speaker 1: of the church and you know, but we're nothing like
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  Speaker 1: the other church. And then, but we got to go
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  Speaker 1: and do these masses and someone reads it to you.
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  Speaker 1: It's almost identical. So it's just ironic to me that
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  Speaker 1: you start something and, to go against the thing you
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  Speaker 1: don't like, but then it ends up becoming kind of
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  Speaker 1: like the thing you hate.
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  Speaker 2: I think that that, I mean, I'm a frame of
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  Speaker 2: reference here, Marilyn Manson, right? Like all of the, the,
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  Speaker 2: the 13 and 14 year old kids that are like,
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to get a Marilyn Manson is going to
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  Speaker 2: off my mom. It's going to off the teachers, not
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  Speaker 2: realizing like, bro, that is a, like a corporate, you know, inner,
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  Speaker 2: I think it was interscope interscope records, uh, That you
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  Speaker 2: can go and buy at Camelot Music in the mall.
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  Speaker 2: It's on MTV. Like, there's nothing not corporate about this
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  Speaker 2: counterculture thing, right? It's the same. And you brought up
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  Speaker 2: a great word of, like, marketing. I really think that
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  Speaker 2: Anton LaVey and Church of Satan... Anton LaVey was like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: Satan is a product like that. He like Satan is
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  Speaker 2: the brand. And now I can just promote the Satan
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  Speaker 2: brand and sort of reap all the rewards that come
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  Speaker 2: with it. So and also good segue. What does Satanism,
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  Speaker 2: LaVey Satanism actually believe? Right. So that's they don't present
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  Speaker 2: it as a belief in anything supernatural. They don't even
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  Speaker 2: present that Satan exists or that God exists. I'm sure
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  Speaker 2: once you get deep enough in people's beliefs, you know, very,
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  Speaker 2: very much. But the official stance is about an embracing
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  Speaker 2: of self-indulgence and personal sovereignty and skepticism towards anyone that
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  Speaker 2: would put a religious morality imposed on you. That's kind
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  Speaker 2: Kind of the, you're not telling me what you're not
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  Speaker 2: telling me to clean my room, mom, you know, listen
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  Speaker 2: to Marilyn Manson now as my way of lashing back.
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  Speaker 2: So that's part of it. And then there's also clearly.
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  Speaker 2: an aesthetic to it, right? Like you can't be in
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  Speaker 2: the church of Satan and then still go and put
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  Speaker 2: on your like polo and your Ralph Lauren or whatever.
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  Speaker 2: Like you, you're going to have to put black nail
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  Speaker 2: polish on at some point, guys, you're wearing mascara or eyeliner,
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  Speaker 2: no matter what your, you know, orientation is. Like there's
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  Speaker 2: certain things that, that it's because otherwise when you're going
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  Speaker 2: to join, you're going to join the church of Satan
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  Speaker 2: and pay money and get the card and then show
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  Speaker 2: up to meetings. Everyone's going to be like, you're not
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  Speaker 2: taking this very serious, this thing that's not serious. You're
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  Speaker 2: not taking it serious enough.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: You can't see Ted in accounting that drives a Prius
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  Speaker 1: home from work with his, uh, a little polo and
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  Speaker 1: khakis and going, Hey guys, uh, ready to hear to
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  Speaker 1: pray Satan, you know.
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  Speaker 2: Like you could almost equate it to juggalo culture a
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  Speaker 2: little bit. How much of a juggalo are you if
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  Speaker 2: you're not putting on the clown face paint at some point, right?
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  Speaker 1: Juggalo is the new satanism like they kind of like
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  Speaker 1: and it does go with it because you're right it's
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  Speaker 1: marketing again like they're like oh how can we get
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  Speaker 1: a bunch of people to follow a cult-like movement so
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  Speaker 1: that they can be so dedicated they can continuously give
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  Speaker 1: me money that's what we need to do like and
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  Speaker 1: subscribe now to join the under the docks uh cult.
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  Speaker 2: Mind we can do a juggalo episode where we don
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  Speaker 2: the face paint and watch documentaries i'm sure there's some
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  Speaker 2: good ones.
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  Speaker 1: I live right by them, so let me get Shaggy2Dope
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  Speaker 1: to be in the video.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if he would come on. So it's
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  Speaker 2: a good point that that's how they present it, and
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  Speaker 2: it really is. Dude, Juggalo feels like such a great
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  Speaker 2: analogy for all of this. So Juggalos are the new Satanists.
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  Speaker 2: And then it kind of, I would imagine, becomes a
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  Speaker 2: gateway because if you really are interested in Satanism, there's
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  Speaker 2: probably people that end up joining it. And then they're like, oh, wait,
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  Speaker 2: these are just a bunch of theater kids. They're just
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  Speaker 2: kind of like, you know, acting this way to act
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  Speaker 2: a certain way. I'm here to summon a demon. That
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  Speaker 2: would be my intent, right, going in. And they do mention,
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  Speaker 2: and we'll get back to this, but they mentioned Michael
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  Speaker 2: Aquino and how Michael Aquino joins Church of Satan. And
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  Speaker 2: he's the guy that did that. He was like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: y'all are just kind of like here playing games and
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  Speaker 2: listening to music. This isn't serious. Like, where's the actual
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  Speaker 2: Church of Satan? And that's when he makes Temple of
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  Speaker 2: Set and really starts summoning demons.
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  Speaker 1: And he's like, oh, hold my beer, bro. You little
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  Speaker 1: dropout theater kids are just... mocking what we actually do
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  Speaker 1: and that's what they emphasize on here and they really
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  Speaker 1: tried it to me in the in this documentary they
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  Speaker 1: were trying to humanize right satanists i'm not saying they're
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  Speaker 1: bad or good or whatever but like you could tell
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  Speaker 1: it was like they're trying to go out there like
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  Speaker 1: look guys we're not we're just misunderstood you don't know
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  Speaker 1: what we actually do and i think it can be
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  Speaker 1: a you're like, oh, I thought this was all connected.
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  Speaker 1: So if you didn't know, like I said, I thought
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  Speaker 1: Satanism was one giant umbrella. And now I'm learning like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: there's different sections and they all believe different stuff. And
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  Speaker 1: a lot of the church of Satan people is basically atheists, right?
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  Speaker 1: Like they're atheists and they just use Satan just to
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  Speaker 1: provoke against the religious people like that and know that
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  Speaker 1: that makes people mad. And they leaned in, great marketing
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  Speaker 1: tactic too though, lean into the satanic panic And then
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  Speaker 1: ever since then, that's been a huge selling point, right? Controversy.
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  Speaker 1: You see it done in every genre like hip hop. Oh,
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  Speaker 1: we're going to say F the police and and we're
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  Speaker 1: going to go after this and we're talking about drugs.
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  Speaker 1: And it takes it to this level of this taboo
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  Speaker 1: stuff you're not supposed to look at. It's that old
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  Speaker 1: saying when you tell a kid, don't do that.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 1: They're going to go. Don't touch that. They're going to
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  Speaker 1: try to touch it. It's like the no triggering. And
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  Speaker 1: that's what you get in this church of Satan is
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: a bunch of people that were like, oh, you're not
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: going to tell me I can't worship Satan. I don't
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: even believe in. And the religion whatsoever. So that means
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: I shouldn't believe in Satan either.
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: If I believe that there is no spirituality or whatever
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: they believe, but it's like become their identity. And I
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: also wanted to say that they pushed a lot back
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: on like, oh, we're not conformist and we do whatever
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: we want. I would like to see the percentage of church,
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: the same people that took the vaccine. That's what I
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: would like to see. Cause if you're so nonconformist, but
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: I can see them like, come on guys, we're going
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: to all die. Like, it's like, Oh wait, I thought
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: you believed in your rock the system. And I just
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: kept that kept running through my brain as I was
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: seeing this.
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: Well, again, you mentioned the perfect word for this. And
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: this is the documentaries saying in American Satan that they're
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: mostly atheists. And so, you know, if you don't believe
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: in God or you don't believe in religion, why are
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: you wearing all the robes? Why are you doing the
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: same things as if this were all real? And again,
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: it's like it's part mocking and part LARPing, which is
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: interesting to me just because The mocking part, like that
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: is the satanic part, right? Like that's the blasphemy of
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: the Holy Spirit or whatever the incurable sin is, right?
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: The unforgivable sin. So regardless of your intention, like, oh,
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: I'm just, I don't actually believe this. I'm just going
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: to mock the thing I don't believe. That's basically the
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: premise that the documentary puts forth. There's also a really,
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: just because we recently did the Morton Downey Jr. documentary,
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: and Morton Downey Jr. got his whole thing from this
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: show called Joe Pine, which was a 1970s sort of
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: talk show. Well, they have a clip of the Joe
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: Pine show, which is essentially the equivalent of showing a
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: 1970s Jerry Springer. And on the Joe Pine show... He's
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: got these people that are raising their kids as Satanists.
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: And it's like people are going crazy in the audience
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: over it. And he's like screaming at them. And even
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: they say they're like, look, we're we're raising our children
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: as Satanists. Because hate, the motion of hate is just
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: as necessary as the motion of love. But they're not
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: like chipping people up or sacrificing human beings. But they're
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: just teaching their kids in this like counterculture way. And
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: then it's showing one of these guys in, you know,
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: Satanism in like the 70s, 80s. That buys like an
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: all black house and they start having like magic circle
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: meetings in there and they give lectures on cannibalism, vampirism,
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: a coal folklore. So like, and this is Anton LaVey
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: that buys a black house and he's sort of through
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: this documentary kind of like. A satanic black magic Manley
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: Palmer Hall, right? He's Manley Palmer Hall dressed up as
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: Marilyn Manson, but talking about the exact same thing. He
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: talks about Rosicrucianism and blah, blah. style theology and Crowley
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: and how like none of these different angles really satisfied him.
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: And that's why he tried to kept pushing darker and darker.
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: And I think in a way, Anton LaVey is like,
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: Also trying to create a group or like a network
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: of friends and associates that are also into this weird
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: avant-garde carny. Like, bro, Anton LaVey probably would have been
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: so much more at home as a juggalo the more
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: I think about that.
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: Dude, that's been the best analogy. I didn't think of
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: that until you said that. I'm like, dude, this is
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: exactly what we saw. Because if you watch every single
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: person that's being interviewed, I'm like, boom, clown makeup, juggalo. Like,
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: I could see each and every one of those people
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: being at one of the juggalo fest, man. I forgot
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: what it's called. The juggalo something. It's a big thing
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: they have out here and they throw fake juggalos. Yeah.
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: Gather the juggalos.
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: There you go. You got it.
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: That's the perfect analogy because that's what you see. It's
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: a lot of cosplaying. Like, again, you can pick out
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: a Satanist, a church, a Satanist person and a juggalo
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: out of a crowd very easily.
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: Like how you're dressed normally. going to whatever job, you know,
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: you're going to be an artist, a tattoo guy, a bartender.
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: Like again, you're not going to be an accountant. You're
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: probably not going to be in the corporate lifestyle being a,
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: I'm not, unless you're like in the temple of Satan
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: where you look like American psycho and you're normal, but
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: then you go home and you really are like doing
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: symbolism and you're like having rituals and sacrifices. That may
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: be a thing, but for the church of Satan, it
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: seems like they really try to wash this down in
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: this documentary that like, Oh, you know, symbols, it's just symbols, man.
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: You know, it's just like fun stuff. Like we do, yeah,
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: we do a little fun mockery rituals every now and again,
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: like who doesn't, right? Like it's, it's just fun. And
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: they just kind of pushed away from that. They didn't
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: step into like, Oh no, I really believe. So I
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: was like kind of torn. Like, do you believe that?
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: Or do you like, so I'm thinking like, it's almost
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: like Freemasonry. Like we talk about like, I'm sure there's
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: a portion of people that are so ingrained in it
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: and they get to higher levels. And maybe that's the
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: same thing with the church of Satan. It's like, I
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: just joined, bro. Like, I don't fucking know. But then
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: there's like a small percentage that are like, oh, we're somebody.
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: The way that I guess I would see it, this
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: is going to be a rough analogy, but it's almost
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: like you walk into like a Walmart. You're not just
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: going to immediately find the thing that you were looking for.
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: You have to go up and down a few aisles
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: and like browse around for a little bit. Some people
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: are like, screw this. I'm going home like I'm never
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: going to find this thing, you know. So I think
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: part of it is almost like. if you do want
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: to become a true, like I want to worship Lucifer
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: or worship an actual Satan, I'm not just here for
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: LARPing and scaring grandma. Like, like you would find what
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: door you need to knock on by at least starting
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: in that, you know, LARPing church of Satan area. And
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: that's where someone's like, bro, go check out Michael Aquino,
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: go check out Kenneth Grant or something. That's when you
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: might end up going down those rabbit holes. So, um, and,
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: and to be fair, the documentary, uh, is somewhat self-aware
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: for a brief moment because someone this is a quote
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: from the documentary they're like well how many people are
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: just using this label of i'm a satanist so you
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: can scare your class like grandma and then it starts
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: talking to all the people that they've been interviewing throughout
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: the process and you don't you don't hear the question
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: it's one of those typical you know the producer asks
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: a question and then you just see what their answer
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: is Um, but a lot of them are like, yeah,
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: I don't really bring it up. My mom and dad
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: don't really necessarily know. I mean, I wear like a
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: vest that's got upside down crosses on it and pentagrams
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: and I've got tattoos of Satan and stuff. But you know,
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: when I go home for Thanksgiving, we just kind of
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: don't bring it up. We don't, We don't start like
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: a big problem. It's like how much of a hardcore
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: counterculture Satanist are you is when you go home for
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: Thanksgiving and you put on like a long sleeve shirt
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: because you don't want to talk about tattoo.
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: So that was kind of funny. And even one of
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: like the high priests, like one of the leaders of
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: the Church of Satan. he's like, yeah, we don't talk
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: about it. Maybe they know, maybe they don't like, it's
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: kind of hard to break it to your family, you know?
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: So even in their most extreme LARPing, they're just sort
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: of also like keeping it hidden from the people that
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: they're close to. And it's this, it almost feels like
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: a shell that they're kind of putting on to like,
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: you know, guard themselves from the world a little bit.
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: I mean, we all do. No one's, no one is
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: completely infallible from that.
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: No.
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: And it's creating a character. That's how I looked at
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: it throughout the film. They're creating these characters to, to,
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: heighten whether their career or it's so they can hide behind.
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: They don't have to feel it. So they get to
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: have this, like you said, LARPing, but they just, people
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: do that. And I think they build this over like,
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: you know, when you're 16, 17, 18 to 20. you're
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: at a young age and now it becomes your identity.
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: It's the same thing with the LGBTQ YZ communities of
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: where they're like, Oh, that's my identity. People are like, dude,
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: that's the problem is that you're like, that's all you
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: have is this thing. Like, Oh, I'm gay. I'm a Satanist.
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: I'm a commie, right? Whatever. It's like, that's not enough
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: for people to like, want to engage with you. You
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: have to be a human being where you're like a
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: bunch of different stuff, but people I've noticed this. And then,
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: and you see it in the film that they've ran
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: towards this, this church of Satan, because like, They were
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: different or they were felt outcasts and they're like, oh, look,
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: this is a bunch of outcasts. I'll join with them.
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: And now it's become such part of your identity because
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: you when you're younger and you're like, oh, I'm going to,
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: you know, I'm going to get the Mohawk and I'm
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: going to get this the curly handlebar mustache and and
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: put gel in my goatee and look at spikes and
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: and look a certain way. Now you've done it for
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: so long that it's become your identity and you don't
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: know how to get out of it. And you're not
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: you don't have the nuance enough to talk about it
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: and be like, hey, you know, this was a part
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: time in my life where I'm still searching. You're you're
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: honed in on and all your friend groups in on it.
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: So you're like, I got to believe this stuff. It's
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: the same thing we saw there in 2020. People were
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: like and later on, they were like, I didn't want
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: to mention something about that, that thing that they were
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: talking about. But I didn't want my friends to get upset.
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: And to speak of here's our. some of like those
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: identities that come up in this documentary. So this isn't
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: an exhaustive list, but I just, I was like making
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: a list of the most remarkable characters that kind of
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: represented these different archetypes in the drama club. Right? So
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: first you've got a guy that literally, I'm not saying
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: this to be pejorative or funny, but when they show
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: his title on the lower thirds, while he's talking, it
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: says gay, atheist, Satanist. And my first thought was like,
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: you could have just used one of those words and
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: they all mean the same thing anyways, but, and maybe
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: communism at the end. Although I don't think he was
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: a communist. Cause his whole shtick was that he runs a, uh,
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: gay satanic fetish, like only fans for men that dress
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: up as demons and like bang each other. And like, that's,
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: that's his thing. And he was one of those ones.
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, when I go home, you're like, maybe
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: it just doesn't come up. It's like, but yeah, outside
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: of home i'm a freaking edgelord bro so you've got
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: that guy then you've got um one guy called ma
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: mandrake who's a cartoonist and voice actor who's actually kind
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: of interesting like i'm sure you like when when you
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: say cartoonist and voice actor i'm like oh so disney
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: like we've got a disney somewhere there was a firefighter
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: satanist the most interesting one that we don't really learn
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: more about him just that he's uh like not a
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: volunteer fireman like an actual firefighter and he just happens
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: to be a satanist There's a lady that has a
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: demon baby, meaning like one of those real babies that
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: people like, you know, your aunt orders out of a
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: QVC or something, but it's a demon. And every time
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: that she's on the screen and we're talking to her,
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: she's like cradling it or like feeding it. But it's
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: like a fake toy doll thing. Not real. Yeah, totally. Like,
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: like developing this character in this persona. Um, and then
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: there's a guy by favorite one that goes by the
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: name Diabolus Rex and And he kind of looks like
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: Anton LaVey, but he's got horns that were surgically implanted
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: under the skin in his forehead. And he's kind of
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: got like scales and like full body tats. When you're
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: talking before about not being able to move on because
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: you've wrapped your whole identity into it. What happens when
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: you wake up one morning and you're like, yeah, I'm
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: not really sure I'm so into this. stating this stuff anymore.
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: And then you realize like, Oh, my entire body is
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: literally marked up with this. I've got freaking horns in
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: my head. Maybe I've filed my teeth into like, you know,
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: points or something. Like, how do you walk back from that?
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: You don't, you can't get back into corporate culture as
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: easily as you can leave it again, point juggalo, right?
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: Cause at least the juggalos, they can put the body,
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: like wash off the face paint and go back, you know,
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: into the office on Monday. Like nothing happened. Hidden treasures,
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: overboard moments. uh first of all this whole movie maybe
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: is just full of overboard moments but in like a
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: really interesting way because it's just seeing how a lot
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: of people have taken this template that anton lave made
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: with the church of satan and use that to sort
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: of just run with it everyone gets to cast themselves
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: as the main character in their own church of satan
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: play that's kind of the impression that i got from
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: it i got a list of like specific highlights and
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: overboard but i want to get something from you.
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: For me, I'll say my hidden treasure throughout this whole
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: film that really like Silverlight is learning about Anton LaVey.
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: Like I didn't never do. I know who he is,
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: like by name and face and kind of like seeing
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: little clips of him, but I've never. And I'm like, dang,
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: but just to know that he was a carny. I'm like,
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: that explains a lot, bro. Like I've seen a lot
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: of carnies in my lifetime and I'm like, oh yeah,
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: they're like a strange bunch. And that he was just
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: such a quirky guy. Like, it's just funny because when,
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: you see the image of stuff and it kind of
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: reminds me of like what even not just him but
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: other people build them up to like they're these crazy
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: demons or or like these oh if you get near
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: any i could just imagine i met him and i'll
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: be like what a dork like you know you do
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: what like loser. Like, you know what I mean? Like,
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: but it was interesting to get into his life, but,
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: and to see that these things that are created by
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: television and what he did to me, that was so
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: incredible is just to attach onto the satanic panic. The,
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: what a great thing. And he kind of revolution and
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: kind of got a lot of, I know other people
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: were doing it too, but he solidified it to where
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: all these bands and metal bands and people in the
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: music industry could have something that was a rebel against
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: the system, which was Christianity, what they felt like, Oh,
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: the system's a Christian system and we're going to rebel
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: against it. And it gave them a blueprint and a home, right?
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: So it was pretty intelligent to jump on something that
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: is so controversial and that will get you headlines. And
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: that's where you see controversy that sells through everything in life,
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: whether it's a movie, getting a new music band out there,
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: you using these controversial tactics, get you eyes. And that's
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: where they get the like, well, good publicity, bad publicity
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: is publicity, right? Like it's the same thing. And I
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: thought it was pretty telling and a good hidden treasure
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: to see that in action and see like, oh, this
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: guy's just some regular dude that just doesn't look like
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: he tries to do spells. He's trying to create a
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: character and people bought it. People are buying this character.
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: I'm sure that he lived it as best as he could.
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: But I also see him. He's like probably walking his
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: little dog, probably like chilling with his friends. And they're
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: just like talking about. Back in the days of being
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: a carny and he's like, yeah, bill over there, man.
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: Crazy guy, man. One time the line almost got my head. Like,
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like, and to see that
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: he had an adventurous life, I will say he did,
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: was able to get it, uh, with the people, because
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: I think he was around so many different people and
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: learn so much about them that he kind of understood
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: of how to connect with people. And when he pushed that, uh,
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: church of Satan, that's why he was captivating enough to
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: grab people's attention.
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: I mean, for the record, I hope I don't go
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: to hell for even considering this, but Anton LaVey himself
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: seems like he would have been an interesting, like if
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: you like Manly Palmer Hall and you just wanted to
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: see Manly Palmer Hall as a juggalo, like Anton LaVey
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: would have filled that perfectly, right? The credit, one of
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: the hidden treasures, it's not even necessarily hidden, but just
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: that they totally go in. They show, here's 1950s picture
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: of Anton LaVey with all of his hair called the
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: Great Sanzor, right? And he's like posing in front of
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: like the lion tamers, Matt. And then... They kind of
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: describe how he was able to build that original cult
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: following that he catered specifically to this disenfranchised ex-hippie movement,
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: like all the people that moved to San Francisco, which
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: is where he was at. So, you know, put flowers
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: in their hair, enjoying the free love movement, do a
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: bunch of acid and then realize like, oh, hippies rob
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: from you and beat you up and kill each other, too.
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: It's not just like all totally love and free move.
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: So then you've got a bunch of drug addled, depressed
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: ex hippies. And he's kind of like, hey, the world
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: kind of sucks, right? Well, hey, so like it was
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: sort of just like an easy switch. So him being
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: able to kind of be like the ringmaster a little
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: bit to like wrangle all these people in and turn
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: this into a movement. He legitimately did something that no
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: one else had done up to that point, to figure
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: out how to take all these disenfranchised people and reorient them.
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: He just happened to reorient them towards occultism instead of
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: having them join some other fringe religion. The other thing,
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: and this is my bias, but all of my hidden treasures,
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: I guess... were all of this like satanic panic adjacent
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: footage that they kept showing. So they show a satanic
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: panic TV show. And on this TV show, and I
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: didn't recognize it, but it was maybe a cross between
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: a public service announcement with sort of like a Ricky
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: Lake or, you know, like a Jerry Springer style show.
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: But they're looking at right at the camera. They're like,
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: all right, parents at home. there will be 50 to 60,000
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: human sacrifices this year alone. There's over a hundred thousand
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: Satanists in this country and Los Angeles alone had 64
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: preschools with satanic activity. Now here's Bob with, you know,
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: the weather for the week. It's the way that it
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: was just so matter of fact. And then they show
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: some clips of Ted Gunderson talking. They bring up the
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: Michelle remembers book, which is one of the main catalysts
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: for the whole satanic panic and, Um, they, they show
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: some people that we've seen a few times now in
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: different videos. Uh, Bob Larson is one of these like
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: ex Satanist turned, you know, new Christians, another guy named, um,
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: Mike Warnkey who claimed to be in a satanic cult.
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: And he wrote a book called the Satan seller. Uh,
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: there's a lady named Lauren Stratford that wrote Satan's underground.
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: They get into Mari Terry and the ultimate evil and
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: the son of Sam murders. Uh, they also talk about, uh,
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: this cops for christ organization like this is all classic
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: 80s 90s satanic panic and then there was a clip
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: from some weird freaking show like at the very end
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: of the movie they're all getting together for like a
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: film premiere and it's it's got all these weird like
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: children in the occult like youth suicide fantasy that's like
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: the name of this little clip and uh we actually
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: i've tracked down what this weird movie was They were
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: all watching, and we'll do another episode just on that one.
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: So that, for me, that weird video that had all
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: these crazy, like, satanic panic clips in it, I was like,
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: I need to find what that is because I recognize
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: so many of the clips. But if there's something that
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: has more of that that I'm not aware of. So
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: that was clearly my biggest hidden treasure. The biggest overboard
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: moment ever. Again, it's like the quality of the LARPing. Like,
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: for example, the guy that makes custom fetish films, this
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: is not the gay atheist Satan. There's like another guy
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: that does only go figure, right?
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: And.
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: The camera that they're interviewing this couple, I mean, I'm
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: not going to be dismissive of this couple here, but
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: it's like, yeah, you know, things are going pretty well.
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: We've got this whole website. We've got a whole business.
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: Satanism is just completely fulfilling both of our needs. It's
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: the best thing that's happened to either of us. And
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: the camera angle zooms out a little bit. Like, they're
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: clearly living in a 600-square-foot studio apartment. There's a unicycle
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: leaned up against the wall in the corner, right? Like,
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: all of these things start connecting together. And as you realize, oh...
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: Church of Satan specifically comes from a carny. It's people
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: LARPing a little bit. They're, you know, they want to
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: scare their Catholic grandma, but they're actually too scared to
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: show grandma their tattoos. So they kind of do it,
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: you know, on the outside and then they go back. So,
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: and then the unicycle was just like the cherry on top.
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: I was like, of course, this dude rides the unicycle
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: around downtown. Like, so I don't know, like the, like
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: typical Portland with a little bit extra mascara, I guess.
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: And I thought some of the overboard moments to me
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: was just them trying to really like and be like,
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: church is saying is better than all the other religions
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: because we care about people. We're people, you know, we're
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: people first, like where they kept trying to emphasize, like
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: they're humanitarian. And I'm not saying that they're not or
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: one religion, but I'm like, you're doing the same thing, bro. Like,
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: you're like, where's our moral compass is better than that religion.
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: I'm like, well, it's the same thing. And that's where
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: they lost me a little bit. Cause some of this stuff,
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, I, I I'm with you because I'm
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: seeing all the satanic panic stuff where I'm like, yeah,
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: that's overboard. People are just going crazy and all this.
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: And then they go overboard where they're like, our moral
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: compass is better. than what the Christians bring or the
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: Jewish people bring. Like, you know what I'm saying? They
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: go down the line and this is what we do.
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: Cause we're about people. But then I'm like, then you
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: embrace like the, the worst degenerate acts, not saying you
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: can't do those things, but come on, man. Like if
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: you're seeing like, yeah, I just go to orgies, bro.
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: And just drink and do a bunch of blow. You're
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: going to be like, yeah, bro, you're probably not living
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: the best life.
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: Like maybe that's fun to you, but at some point
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: you're going to be 45, 55 years old and be like, Oh, man,
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: I have a lot of health complications and the orgies
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: are disgusting now because everybody's not in shape. It changes
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: over time and they don't like acknowledge that because they
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: don't want it to look bad because it's something that
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: they've made their identity. So that's a little bit of
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: the overboard moments, the morality. It just was like humorous
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: to me.
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: An American Satan sink or swim.
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: I think this film was interesting. Um, I liked it.
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: I'm going to go off right, right away. I'm going
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: to give it a sink, but like a borderline sink,
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: but I guess it's just a sink, but I think
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: it would done better if it was more on like
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: a biography on Anton LaVey.
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: I think I would have liked that more than having
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: all these random, like, ex-choir band uh uh flag guard
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: chess chess team chess hey no hating on anybody that's
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: in this they're like hey man but like these people
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: that were outcasts they were filming them and i'm like
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: well you clearly joined this because you felt like attached
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: to join something but you felt like you couldn't join
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: anything else so for me it's a sink if it
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: would have been more about anton lave i would probably
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: give it a swim.
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: Uh same here i don't even know if it was
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: more about anton lave i would have given it a
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: swim either it's a sink for me just because It
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: didn't really rock my world. It didn't teach me anything
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: brand new. Granted, I've looked into this topic and Anton
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: LaVey and Church of Satan before, so it of the
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: information that came out wasn't that crazy to me. It
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: really just reconfirmed all my notes. That unicycle was just
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: like I already knew everything I needed to know up
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: until this point. The most interesting part that they only
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: talk about for maybe five, ten minutes is is how
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: Michael Aquino was disenfranchised by how much of a LARP
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: it was. And he was one of those guys that
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: was like, no, no, no, really, I want to talk
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: to Satan. I really want to summon demons and bring
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: evil into the world. How do I do that? And
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: then he splinters off and creates Temple of Set. So
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: if you're interested in that form of Satanism... Maybe we
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: need to hunt down like a Temple of Set documentary.
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: Although then we're really maybe dabbling with dark forces that
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: we want to get like too far into.
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: Well, there's other dark forces that you might get into.
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: If you're really into it, go to paranoidamerican.com and go
• 40:23
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• 40:26
  Speaker 1: will really get you into that dark moon. Hey, my
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: Satanists out there, if you're checking in real quick, this
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: might be something you're into. And if you like it,
• 40:33
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• 40:35
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• 40:37
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• 40:40
  Speaker 2: get Frazzle Drip Funhouse and show her that. That'll freak
• 40:43
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• 40:46
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• 40:52
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• 41:06
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• 41:16
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• 41:44
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• 42:10
  Speaker 1: I scribble my life away, driven to write the page.
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: Will it enlighten your brain?
• 42:14
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• 42:17
  Speaker 4: Somewhat of an amazing feel. When it's real to real,
• 42:20
  Speaker 4: you will engage it. Your favorite, of course, the lord
• 42:23
  Speaker 4: of an arrangement. I gave you the proper results to
• 42:26
  Speaker 4: hit the pavement. If they get emotional, hey, maybe your language,
• 42:29
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• 42:32
  Speaker 4: evade them, whatever the cost, they out of shape. Snakes
• 42:35
  Speaker 4: get decapitated, mad as the apex.
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: Execution of flame, you out nuclear bomb Distributed at war,
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: rather gruesome for eyes to see Maxim out and I
• 42:45
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• 42:48
  Speaker 3: despising me for what though?
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• 42:53
  Speaker 3: Must be all the blunt smoke for real Lord, give
• 42:55
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• 42:55
  Speaker 4: Day away, vacate They wait around to hate whatever they
• 42:59
  Speaker 4: say Matter's not in the least bit weak It heavy
• 43:03
  Speaker 4: rotate when the beat hit So thank us you're welcome
• 43:05
  Speaker 4: Fuck the niggas for real, you're welcome They ain't never
• 43:09
  Speaker 4: had a deal.
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: You're welcome. Man, they lacking a pill. You're welcome.
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: Yet they doing it still.
• 43:15
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