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Made in America? · Armstrong & Getty One More Thing

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  Speaker 1: Made in America. You'd have to take out a mortgage.
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  Speaker 2: It's one more.
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  Speaker 3: Thing, one more thing.
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  Speaker 2: Before we get to that. Okay, do you go to
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  Speaker 2: the gym every day? I've heard of these my whole life.
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  Speaker 2: I've never done them. What is a crunch.
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  Speaker 4: It's like a sit up where your knees are bent
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  Speaker 4: and your elbows and your knees touch.
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  Speaker 2: Sit up where your knees are bent and you touch
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  Speaker 2: your own.
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  Speaker 4: Feet off the ground.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so you don't have to have your feet off
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  Speaker 1: the ground really technically, but it's not like a full
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  Speaker 1: set up because they figured they found out that it's
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  Speaker 1: not good for your back or something.
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  Speaker 3: So it's like a semi sit up.
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  Speaker 2: I've done a gazillion sit ups in my life, but
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  Speaker 2: it's working the same muscles. Crunches and sit ups.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, you can terminal muscles, yeah, different parts anyway.
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  Speaker 1: You can like alternate elbow, right elbow to left knee
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  Speaker 1: and back and forth and that sort of thing.
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  Speaker 4: I just up halfway.
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  Speaker 2: I just saw this. Uh, how many crunches you should
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  Speaker 2: be able to do at different ages? And it's a
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  Speaker 2: like thirty one you're in your forties and twenty one
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  Speaker 2: you're in your fifties.
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  Speaker 1: And how likely should I be to fall for listicles
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  Speaker 1: at various ages?
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  Speaker 3: Right, yeah, I don't know anyway.
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  Speaker 2: I was just thinking about that because I I one
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  Speaker 2: of the reasons I've never done any crunches is for
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  Speaker 2: whatever reason, that's not a body part. I've been likened
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  Speaker 2: the one body part, like if there was a great
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  Speaker 2: exercise for my calves. I am so embarrassed by my calves.
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  Speaker 2: That's like, if I have to get undressed anywhere, what
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  Speaker 2: I think everybody's staring at is my calves.
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  Speaker 4: So if I really, yes, are they get leggedday?
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  Speaker 2: Or is that what? My calves are so skinny? I'm
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  Speaker 2: just genetically that's just the way I'm built. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: they are like little toothpicks. They're probably sinewy though, right somewhat.
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  Speaker 2: But my ankles I have tiny bone structures, So my
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  Speaker 2: ankles are tiny like a pencil. And then it goes
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  Speaker 2: up there to the knee and you're like a racehorse
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  Speaker 2: or chicken. I used to lift weights with this big chicken.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah all right, right, or that's what a friend of
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  Speaker 2: mine used to say, are those your legs or are
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  Speaker 2: you writing a chicken? And then another guy used to
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  Speaker 2: lift weights with these are the big football star. Dude said, Dude,
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  Speaker 2: we got to do something about those ankles.
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  Speaker 1: Wow, I don't know how much you can build up angle.
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  Speaker 2: Well, right, you can't do anything about your ankles. Your
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  Speaker 2: ankles or your ankles.
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  Speaker 4: There are few things that hurt more than your calves
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  Speaker 4: being sore after like really working them out. It makes
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  Speaker 4: walking so difficult.
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  Speaker 2: But I've been I've been in the gym like almost
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  Speaker 2: every day for I don't know how many months now
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  Speaker 2: a lot, and and it's it's been good for me,
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  Speaker 2: but I don't do anything for my calves, and it's
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  Speaker 2: so and it's becoming more noticeable, not less.
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  Speaker 4: So.
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  Speaker 2: The rest of my body has like you know, improved,
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  Speaker 2: but I still look like I'm are you writing a chicken?
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  Speaker 2: It's not like an important thing in my life, but
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  Speaker 2: I just look at and I wish there was something
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  Speaker 2: similar to crunches that they've really developed that they think, man,
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  Speaker 2: this really targets your calves and mandous results.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you could just you know, you stand flat footed,
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  Speaker 1: then raise up on your toes, hold it for two
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  Speaker 1: three seconds and do that.
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  Speaker 2: Thirty A lot of those, and I've never seen anything
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  Speaker 2: ever happen.
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  Speaker 1: What could be just you're not built to that's having
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  Speaker 1: been moderately overweight my entire life.
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  Speaker 3: I have very beautifully developed calves.
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  Speaker 1: You ever, you know, you see a big fat guy
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  Speaker 1: on the street, if he moves around a lot, he's
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  Speaker 1: not a sedentary fat guy. He's gonna have massive calves
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  Speaker 1: from one of the few benefits of being overweight.
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  Speaker 2: Because you're exercising them just by moving around.
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  Speaker 3: You're lifting weights.
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  Speaker 4: I like what my coach said to me the other day.
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  Speaker 4: I work out for everyone else's safety because you get
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  Speaker 4: you get all the aggression out, and then you can
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  Speaker 4: go about your day.
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  Speaker 3: Oh there you go. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Final note before we get into the gist of the
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  Speaker 1: podcast today. I just have a very tight schedule today
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  Speaker 1: and I was texting my beloved bride, do you have
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  Speaker 1: time to make me a ham sandwich? But inexplicably I typed,
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  Speaker 1: do you have time to making me a man sandwich?
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  Speaker 1: And I realized just before they sent it, I don't
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  Speaker 1: even know what that would be.
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  Speaker 3: But it doesn't sound.
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  Speaker 2: Good, and it's not the way to introduce it through
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  Speaker 2: text unless you do it regularly. And let's this is something.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe that's it? Okay, so you and make man sandwiches
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  Speaker 2: on a regular basis. So it was pickups, and you
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  Speaker 2: know that's what we call it was an odd for
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  Speaker 2: you gardener down the street. It wasn't odd for you
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  Speaker 2: to say you have time for man sandwich today. The
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  Speaker 2: gardeners here.
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  Speaker 1: Oh boy, oh boy, glad I did not hit send.
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  Speaker 1: Where were we are? Speaking of smartphones? Johanna Stern, who
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  Speaker 1: writes the tech column for The Wall Street Journal, an
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  Speaker 1: American made iPhone just expensive or completely impossible?
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  Speaker 3: And you know, I'm kind of curious.
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  Speaker 1: About that question, and it might be something we all
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  Speaker 1: find out at some like soon, but I just I'm
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  Speaker 1: more interested just in what it takes to assemble something
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  Speaker 1: like a smart.
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  Speaker 2: But on that topic, I keep seeing these memes of
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  Speaker 2: or comments about, so this is what we want Americans,
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  Speaker 2: you know, sewing shoes together or tuning, turning tiny screws
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  Speaker 2: and iPhones.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Wait, when do we become this precious about jobs?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: I lifted up bales of hay every single day first
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  Speaker 2: four years because it was a great job and I
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  Speaker 2: made money, and I bought a motorcycle in high school
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  Speaker 2: and everything I did it willingly. There are people that
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  Speaker 2: would turn screws and iPhones willing it's not your dream
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  Speaker 2: job or you want to end up in life. But
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  Speaker 2: if it's a job that pays enough to do, why
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  Speaker 2: why you decided that that's I don't know, I don't
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  Speaker 2: I don't get that angle of attack on this whole
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  Speaker 2: tearf thing.
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  Speaker 1: As that young man who we talked about, who was
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  Speaker 1: a Navy seal, Harvard doctor and astronaut, said there's no
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  Speaker 1: job that you're better than. I'll go with his attitude.
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  Speaker 1: But anyway, mm, I find some of this stuff really interesting,
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  Speaker 1: you know, and not to get to terrify on you
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  Speaker 1: on the podcast, but so Commerce secretary who told CBS
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  Speaker 1: has faced the nation it's.
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  Speaker 3: Going to be automated.
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  Speaker 1: We're going to make the iPhones in the country, and
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  Speaker 1: they point out, except the iPhones contain a patchwork of
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  Speaker 1: sophisticated parts sourced from many countries and put together primarily
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  Speaker 1: in China, where electronics manufacturing has been perfected over a generation.
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  Speaker 1: America doesn't have facilities that resemble Chinese ones, nor does
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  Speaker 1: it have skilled manpower to assemble iPhones at that scale.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know how long it would take to pick
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  Speaker 1: up those skills Honestly.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think I've ever seen the inside of an iPhone.
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  Speaker 2: Oddly enough, so, she.
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  Speaker 1: Writes, we assembled a panel of manufacturing and tech experts
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  Speaker 1: to find out how hard it would be for Apple
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  Speaker 1: to bring iPhone production to the US. The short answer,
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  Speaker 1: it's easier to teach a bald eagle to use a screwdriver.
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  Speaker 1: They unanimously agree, it's very difficult. They have talents, jack
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  Speaker 1: and no thumbs. Building the full stack of iPhone com
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  Speaker 1: opponents and assembling in in the US impossible. Shifting some
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  Speaker 1: manufacturing here not totally insane. So here's what it would
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  Speaker 1: take to build at least part of it.
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  Speaker 3: In the land of the free.
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  Speaker 1: There are parts from over forty different countries inside a
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  Speaker 1: single iPhone.
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  Speaker 2: And that would be the free market of building iPhones
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  Speaker 2: at work. That each part is, where's the cheapest way,
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  Speaker 2: cheapest slash fastest we can get this part to us?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and the most complex and specialized components come from
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  Speaker 1: about a half a dozen different countries. According to this
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  Speaker 1: Duke University professor who spent decades studying global manufacturing. Right now,
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  Speaker 1: many of those parts, the sophisticated ones are made in
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  Speaker 1: or near China, Taiwan, South Korean Japan, which benefit from
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  Speaker 1: being very close together. The only realistic path to US
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  Speaker 1: iPhone assembly is to reconstruct its supply chain by shifting
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  Speaker 1: some of its key component manufacturing to the broader North
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  Speaker 1: American region Mexico, Canada, maybe even western Europe, because we're
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  Speaker 1: pretty clear to them. If a US assembly operation were
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  Speaker 1: to start in the next three to five years, however,
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  Speaker 1: it would depend on parts from Asia for at least
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  Speaker 1: that three to five years. And they're looking at the
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  Speaker 1: sum of an iPhone's parts and it's costs, and yeah,
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  Speaker 1: memory is made in the US, that's the only thing.
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  Speaker 2: Does this agree with?
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  Speaker 1: Other?
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  Speaker 2: Apple said this, and then another news story said the
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  Speaker 2: iPhone would cost thirty five hundred bucks if you made
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  Speaker 2: even some of it in the United States. Uh, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I'd be a pre expensive dang phone. Yes, Michael, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: this go ahead, Michael.
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  Speaker 5: I was just thinking, what about cheaper components. You know,
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  Speaker 5: they got the fancy glass on it suddenly becomes really
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  Speaker 5: plastic and.
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  Speaker 2: It wouldn't be the iPhone if they started doing cheaper stuff,
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  Speaker 2: no doubt.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, And again, this isn't about scaring into anybody into
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  Speaker 1: supporting Trump or being against him or anything. I just
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  Speaker 1: thought it was interesting describing the realities of the global
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  Speaker 1: assembly of electronics. And they mentioned that when Apple began
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  Speaker 1: building the MacPro desktop in the US, one of the
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  Speaker 1: first roadblocks was sourcing enough parts, including screws close to
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  Speaker 1: home screws and yeah, yeah, the little screws that hold
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  Speaker 1: the thing together.
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  Speaker 3: They're made in Asia.
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  Speaker 4: That seems like something we should surely.
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  Speaker 2: We can make those. Well, of course we can.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and instead of being ten dollars a gross, they'd
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  Speaker 1: be one hundred dollars of gross. Times the dozens and
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  Speaker 1: dozens and dozens of components in an iPhone. That's the problem,
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  Speaker 1: these little elements in assembling the thing.
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  Speaker 3: They would all go.
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  Speaker 1: Up, and it would take a while to build a
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  Speaker 1: plant that built those screws to those specifications. It's not impossible,
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  Speaker 1: it's just very time consuming and expensive. Even if funding
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  Speaker 1: were no object, this expert estimates it would take three
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  Speaker 1: to five years to build out the scale and qual
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  Speaker 1: required for us to join hands in a big American
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  Speaker 1: manufacturing kumbaya.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not going to make a man sandwich with you.
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  Speaker 2: Your calves are too small otherwise at all in.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, uh, Then they talk about the severe labor
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  Speaker 1: shortage that we talked about the other day. Fox Khan,
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  Speaker 1: which assembles iPhones, has said it employs three hundred thousand
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  Speaker 1: workers in Jungxhu, China, known as iPhone City. Was that
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  Speaker 1: three hundred thousand? Is that where the least?
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  Speaker 2: The rumors were that they had like putting nets outside
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  Speaker 2: the windows because so many people were jumping out the
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  Speaker 2: window to kill themselves'ck.
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  Speaker 1: The nets were just to keep people the people got
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  Speaker 1: past our suicide guards.
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  Speaker 3: That wasn't a lot of people.
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  Speaker 1: Hiring is one of the biggest problems facing existing American manufacturers.
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  Speaker 1: Current manufacturers can't fill their job. What are you gonna
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  Speaker 1: do about that? Wise guy? Huh kick him off welfare.
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  Speaker 2: So if if there's anybody listening who had skinny calves
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  Speaker 2: and managed to come up with an exercise that actually
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  Speaker 2: did anything about it.
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  Speaker 3: Oh my god, with the calves.
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  Speaker 1: Have you heard of the internet?
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  Speaker 2: How about uh uh? Well, I want actual real world experience.
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  Speaker 2: The internet is full of crap. Have you used the
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  Speaker 2: internet recently?
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  Speaker 4: So many And if you go to the gym every day,
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  Speaker 4: ask somebody at the gym.
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  Speaker 2: That's gonna like, for a second, I'm not talking to
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  Speaker 2: a human being. I'm not talking to a human being
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  Speaker 2: in person.
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  Speaker 4: That's a filler.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, we have fillers. The implants is a thing
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  Speaker 2: I couldn't do that.
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  Speaker 4: They could do that.
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  Speaker 2: The problem is one of the problems is because my
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  Speaker 2: ankles are so skinny. There's nothing I can do about that.
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  Speaker 2: There's nothing you can do about the size of your bone,
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  Speaker 2: of your ankle or your wrists. It's just what it
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  Speaker 2: is in adulthood. Even if what filler filler? Oh oh oh,
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  Speaker 2: that was my last tread of respect for you. If
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  Speaker 2: I got calf filler. Yeah, no kidding, Yeah, that'd be
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  Speaker 2: too much.
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  Speaker 4: The better figure it out soon because summers around the
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  Speaker 4: corner you have to.
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  Speaker 2: Wear short No, I am not. I have not worn
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  Speaker 2: shorts in thirty years, so I will be fine. Well, why,
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  Speaker 2: said Jack?
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  Speaker 3: Tell Katie?
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  Speaker 2: Why?
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  Speaker 3: Why?
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  Speaker 2: Because I'm a grown up, grown man.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, what's your actual answer for not working?
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  Speaker 2: That's my actual answer?
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  Speaker 4: You're kidding me, it is.
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  Speaker 2: Would you like me to forward the New York Times
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  Speaker 2: article that agrees with me that grown men should not
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  Speaker 2: wear shorts?
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  Speaker 1: I wear long pants only under protest or for formal occasions.
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  Speaker 3: Uh.
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  Speaker 1: Just one more final note on the on the iPhone thing,
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  Speaker 1: because I think somebody probably finds it as interesting as
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  Speaker 1: your calves. Tim Cook told Fortune, but the incentive to
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  Speaker 1: build in China wasn't really cheap labor. Of course he
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  Speaker 1: would say that.
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  Speaker 3: Wouldn't he.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, of course he would.
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  Speaker 1: I think both things are true. The products we do
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  Speaker 1: require really advanced tooling. That's the sophisticated iPhone making equipment.
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  Speaker 1: In the US, you could have a meeting of tooling engineers,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm not sure we could fill the room. In China,
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  Speaker 1: you could fill multiple football fields.
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  Speaker 2: Wow, that's troubling because.
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  Speaker 1: They crank out all the specialized engineers. It's such enormous numbers.
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  Speaker 2: Well, that's what Trump's trying to change, though, He's trying
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  Speaker 2: to make it so we would have more of those
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  Speaker 2: kind of people. Take a long time.
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  Speaker 1: The one thing he needs to do, and he's trying
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  Speaker 1: is crush the woke educational complex. Let's get back to
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  Speaker 1: educating kids.
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  Speaker 3: And would that help?
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  Speaker 2: You know?
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  Speaker 4: Else? He can fill JACKX calves with some filler.
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  Speaker 2: I'll post a picture. I'll try to get a good picture.
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  Speaker 2: You think, well, I've seen skinny cabs. No, you don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I will post a picture. It's shocking.
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  Speaker 4: Did you? Did you, guys happen to see the little
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  Speaker 4: picture I sent you? These are a pair of socks
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  Speaker 4: that I will be purchasing for Jack as soon as
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  Speaker 4: we're done with the podcast. They turn your legs into
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  Speaker 4: chicken legs with a little chicken fee.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah that would that would be that? Would that would
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  Speaker 2: be that? Yeah, that'd be too real on my legs.
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  Speaker 3: How the f did you find those?
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  Speaker 4: A pair of My friend has a pair of those.
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  Speaker 4: It's so funny when she wears them.
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  Speaker 3: That's a terrible look.
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  Speaker 2: It's so funny every day at the gym, my buddy, Matt,
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  Speaker 2: those are your legs? You right in chicken every day?
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  Speaker 1: Where do you stand on novelty socks?
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  Speaker 3: Mister?
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  Speaker 1: I wear long pants all the time, no matter how
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  Speaker 1: hot it is. Do you have any like fun socks?
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  Speaker 2: I'm wearing some right now that I hate to curse again,
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  Speaker 2: but I'm wearing some cousin eddie socks right now that
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  Speaker 2: say full.
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  Speaker 3: O. You know what?
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  Speaker 1: Classy is the only word that pops to mind.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I like this thing.
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  Speaker 2: With my suit. I'm wearing a suit, yeah, reeks of
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  Speaker 2: class I resisted that for years, but my kids start
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  Speaker 2: buying them for me, so I've kind of embraced it.
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  Speaker 2: Oh and you go into those stores, the socks stores
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  Speaker 2: that just have walls, there's so oh you have it.
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  Speaker 2: They're great. I have my favorite Haberdash They're great.
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  Speaker 4: They're so funny.
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  Speaker 2: Everything in the world, I mean, anything you can imagine
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  Speaker 2: of socks. Like my son really likes just the various
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  Speaker 2: snack socks. He's got Cheeto's, he's got Dorito's, he's got
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  Speaker 2: no but I have tacos.
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  Speaker 4: I call him my top socks.
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  Speaker 2: It's just random, weird, you know. Uh, socks for beverages, food.
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  Speaker 2: My favorite pair that I yes, well.
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  Speaker 4: My favorite pair that I owned, Sorry, Hanson, they just
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  Speaker 4: say polite.
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  Speaker 1: As oh more bleeping. I'm withdrawing from this conversation. I
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  Speaker 1: just it's beneath me, take.
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  Speaker 2: My skinny legs and walk out.
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  Speaker 5: Well, I don't want a man sandwich, but I'll go
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  Speaker 5: with a man witch. I need some sloppy jos. Yes, Well,
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  Speaker 5: I guess that's it.