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INTERVIEW: Shaggy & Robin Thicke Talk New Single 'Looking Lovely', Bending Genres, Fatherhood, Gratitude + More · The Breakfast Club

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  Speaker 1: Every day a week ago, click your ass up the
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  Speaker 1: Breakfast Club finish for y'all done. It's the world no day,
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  Speaker 1: this morning show to Breakfast Club, Charlamagne the God just hilarious.
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  Speaker 2: Envy is off to day.
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  Speaker 1: But we got two special guests in the building.
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  Speaker 2: Were Bach were you here?
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  Speaker 3: You kind of.
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  Speaker 2: He the prime minister of bait. That's true, that's true,
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  Speaker 2: that's true. Shaggy Shaggy is here. Shaggy is baby Robin
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  Speaker 2: Thinket's here. He's all white. I'm talking, I'm read, I'm
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  Speaker 2: mostly read. How are y'all today? Man?
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  Speaker 4: Oh good Man could have done something about the weather, though, God,
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  Speaker 4: oh boy, let me tell you.
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  Speaker 2: I was dressed up.
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  Speaker 4: I was like, it's raining all day. You know what's up?
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  Speaker 5: Don't ever trust the bellman. I checked in last night.
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  Speaker 5: He was like, it's gonna be a beautiful day tomorrow.
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  Speaker 2: Was like, y'all, man said, what do we what do
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  Speaker 2: we owe the pleasure of this?
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  Speaker 3: Uh?
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  Speaker 2: This union right here?
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  Speaker 1: I know you'll got to were looking love, looking love.
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  Speaker 5: We're doing grown and sexy reggae things these days.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, man, it's a good five. It's a good good energy.
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  Speaker 4: Uh you know, a great great songs something for the ladies.
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  Speaker 4: Of course. You know what I'm saying. I think a
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  Speaker 4: lot of that is lost sometimes just the mayor compliment
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  Speaker 4: and I was like, man, you just you're looking you're
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  Speaker 4: looking lovely today. Yeah, it's just having that vibe. And uh,
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  Speaker 4: it's a song I wrote.
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  Speaker 3: You know.
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  Speaker 4: I ran into uh Robin on.
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  Speaker 3: It was uh we did a show together.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it wasn't uh. I think it was one of
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  Speaker 4: the f ones we did. So man Houston and me
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  Speaker 4: and him Clif, all of us we ended up hanging
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  Speaker 4: out one night. It was just just we just kind
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  Speaker 4: of kicked it off, and once this record came up,
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  Speaker 4: I was like, wow, this sounds like Robin. I sent
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  Speaker 4: it to him and he was just like, Yo, this
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  Speaker 4: is this is lovely.
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  Speaker 5: Well, you know, I'm a huge Bill Withers fan, of course,
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  Speaker 5: the soulhead. So all my inspirations are Oldest and Bill
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  Speaker 5: and Al Green and guys like that. So when he
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  Speaker 5: sent me the record and he had his voice on it,
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  Speaker 5: I'm a huge Shaggy fan. I was like, you know what,
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  Speaker 5: there's something here with the throwback soul record, but with
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  Speaker 5: the Caribbean influence and if I put some little soul
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  Speaker 5: man stuff on it, put that white soul on it. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 5: we're really happy with it.
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  Speaker 1: I can't whatever I hear Bill with a lovely day,
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  Speaker 1: I think could the late great Clarence. Clarence is yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and I know he knows made a lot to you
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  Speaker 1: a lot, big time.
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  Speaker 4: I mean even you know when when I show actually
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  Speaker 4: showed that documentary of Black Godfather to a lot of
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  Speaker 4: people coming up. You know, I do this thing in
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  Speaker 4: Jamaica called All of Music Conference, which is this my
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  Speaker 4: third year doing it. I just did it, you know,
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  Speaker 4: bring a lot of people down from the business, just
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  Speaker 4: just to get you know, a lot of the inner
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  Speaker 4: city utes out of Jamaica and reggae artists because so
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  Speaker 4: many of our artists, their intellectual properties are owned by
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  Speaker 4: other people throughout the whole thing. So we try to
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  Speaker 4: get him on the right track and just like kind
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  Speaker 4: of make it go. And and that's one of them
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  Speaker 4: things I say, Yo, y'all gotta watch this, you know
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  Speaker 4: what I mean, because Clarence was instrumental in a lot
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  Speaker 4: of people that y'all didn't really know. I mean, so yeah,
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  Speaker 4: and you know, build with it. You know. The thing
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  Speaker 4: with Bill is he didn't really put out a huge catalog.
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  Speaker 4: It wasn't really massive, but those songs are probably some
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  Speaker 4: of the most recurrent songs through decades.
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  Speaker 5: Well, he's one of the greatest poets we've ever had music.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, I remember if you got to see his
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  Speaker 5: documentary I'm I Am Bill or something like that. And
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  Speaker 5: even when he speaks, he doesn't talk much, but every
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  Speaker 5: time he speaks there's poetry in it. There's so much
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  Speaker 5: meaning and value to his words that he doesn't waste.
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  Speaker 5: He doesn't waste words, you know, and that that was
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  Speaker 5: something that I really appreciated about him.
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  Speaker 4: And there's a lot of people's favorite too. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: he's actually a sting one of sing's favorite artists. Him
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  Speaker 4: and I we'd be on stage together, we'd be doing
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  Speaker 4: songs like yeah Wow because the lyrics.
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  Speaker 5: Musically and lyrically, he's just one of the best.
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  Speaker 6: What genre would look and lovely fall under the.
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  Speaker 4: Well, you know what it is. I think I was
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  Speaker 4: just discussing.
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  Speaker 5: We think it's like grown, you know, it's grown and sexy.
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  Speaker 5: But it's got the Caribbean influence and most of my
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  Speaker 5: records playing on urban AC, so I think there's a
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  Speaker 5: home for it there but there's also you know with
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  Speaker 5: his big pop you know, massive records.
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  Speaker 3: When he crosses over, it plays everywhere.
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  Speaker 5: And when I hear it, I feel like I'm on
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  Speaker 5: vacation with the Pinicoladas, you know what I mean. It
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  Speaker 5: just gives me that and especially everything right now, like
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  Speaker 5: anytime we can just have a it's just meant to
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  Speaker 5: make you feel good. We're not trying to it is
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  Speaker 5: to reinvent the wheel here. We're just trying to make
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  Speaker 5: you feel It does a feel good record.
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  Speaker 4: But in my history of doing records, you know, when
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  Speaker 4: you're reggae, there's you know, my hearts got one eight
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  Speaker 4: hundred station, how many of them a regae station? Zero?
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  Speaker 4: So how did the guy like me get on on
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  Speaker 4: radio with that many hits and sold that many records
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  Speaker 4: over the years. Is really because I put these records
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  Speaker 4: that once something happened and it becomes huge, it kind
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  Speaker 4: of crosses all formats because nobody really know where to
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  Speaker 4: put me. That's kind of a it's like, well, he's reggae,
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  Speaker 4: he's poppy.
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  Speaker 5: When I first came out and they didn't they wouldn't
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  Speaker 5: play me at Pop rated, so they said, let's try
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  Speaker 5: them at Urban AC let's your own black radio.
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  Speaker 3: And that's where I broke.
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  Speaker 5: Was Yeah, in d C on on urban AC radio,
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  Speaker 5: where Lost Without You broke, And that's that's where I've
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  Speaker 5: played most of my careers on adult black radio.
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  Speaker 1: That's that sucks to though, because when you think of
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  Speaker 1: a song called Lost Without You, we used to have
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  Speaker 1: the quiet storm. Yeah, that used to matter, you know
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  Speaker 1: what I mean.
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  Speaker 2: And and throughout the day now you hear R and
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  Speaker 2: B like Lost Without You.
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  Speaker 5: Were killed and hell yeah, but you're trying to make
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  Speaker 5: another one.
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  Speaker 4: But to the point of it, you know, when a
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  Speaker 4: record is big, it crosses all formats. I mean, a
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  Speaker 4: big record that wasn't me when we drop of that record,
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  Speaker 4: you know that ended up going on everything down the line.
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  Speaker 4: But when it started starting on mixed shows and some
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  Speaker 4: dance all and then ended up just becoming and then
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  Speaker 4: a guy in Hawaii played in and it just became
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  Speaker 4: this massive.
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  Speaker 1: So when you got R and B and you know,
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  Speaker 1: reggae dance hall, what did you discover about where those
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  Speaker 1: two worlds like naturally meet.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I'm i am. I am naturally a hybrid guy.
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  Speaker 4: I think, I Meanstik was talking about this. I said,
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  Speaker 4: you know, hybrid is what ship's culture like. If I'm
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  Speaker 4: gonna do music, say, for instance, Dennis Brown or Bob Martin,
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  Speaker 4: If I'm gonna do music just like those who are
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  Speaker 4: my heroes and do it just exactly like them, Who
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  Speaker 4: the hell am I to think that I could do
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  Speaker 4: it better? Those guys are masters of their craft. I
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  Speaker 4: gotta literally find a way that is me, you know
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  Speaker 4: what I mean. When I came to Old Carolina back
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  Speaker 4: in the nineties, you know, danceaw is in a different place,
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  Speaker 4: and people I was criticized heavy for it. It was like, yoh,
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  Speaker 4: you know he's doing this. What kind of music is
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  Speaker 4: this is? You know, cross the crossovers, water down and
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  Speaker 4: whatever whatever they call it. But I was hitting number
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  Speaker 4: one around the world. I was in good company because
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  Speaker 4: Bob Marley was the same thing. And I mean you
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  Speaker 4: look at Bob Marley where they had session musician that
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  Speaker 4: overdubbed rap, session musician overdubbed that overdubs on him, rap
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  Speaker 4: sounds on him so he could get on rock radio.
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  Speaker 4: And Chris Blackwell told me that there is old documentary
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  Speaker 4: on it. Funny now that that that very those very
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  Speaker 4: recordings are now the blueprint of what record music is
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  Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying, and even hybrid. You look
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  Speaker 4: at every dance all record is really a hybrid style,
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  Speaker 4: you know what I mean. So to me, you just
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  Speaker 4: got to really bet on yourself and that's why I
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  Speaker 4: did my album that's coming out. This record is also
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  Speaker 4: on it. Uh, it's called lottery, and lottery is is
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  Speaker 4: really me betting on myself because I've always betted on myself.
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  Speaker 4: You imagine me being in a record company on a
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  Speaker 4: major and there's nobody like me. There's nobody before me
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  Speaker 4: that did this on mainstream the way when Old Carolina
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  Speaker 4: Coming it was the first dance dance all number one
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  Speaker 4: of the British Dark Mister Boombasket is the first regular
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  Speaker 4: dance all record to debut at number one.
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  Speaker 5: My seven year old daughter just started saying randomly at breakfast, Yeah,
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  Speaker 5: you got too much stuff.
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  Speaker 1: When I y'all talk about music, man, y'all sound like scientists.
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  Speaker 4: It is calculated.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah for me, I don't feel like people have that
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  Speaker 2: type of passion no more.
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  Speaker 3: Man.
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  Speaker 4: You know, you know what I think. We're living in
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  Speaker 4: a time that's a fast time. Everything is still like
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  Speaker 4: real quick. You know what I mean? When you when
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  Speaker 4: you look at and there's all this equipment to help them,
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  Speaker 4: you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 5: Well, I think there's always every generation we have that
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  Speaker 5: it ain't as good as the last. You know, the
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  Speaker 5: grown heads are always saying that, and the young heads
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  Speaker 5: is saying it's better than it was. But there's always
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  Speaker 5: great artistry mixed in the fluff.
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  Speaker 3: You know.
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  Speaker 5: There's always like you look at Olivia Dean, I mean
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  Speaker 5: that's you know, there's there's They're these artists that are
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  Speaker 5: still making something brand new from their hearts and their experiences,
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  Speaker 5: and that stuff lasts the test of time otherwise, you know,
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  Speaker 5: some of it is just supposed to make you feel
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  Speaker 5: good and make your dance and make you have a
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  Speaker 5: good time, you know, and those things come and go.
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  Speaker 5: But the real artists that are coming from their heart
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  Speaker 5: and have something to say, there's there's always a.
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  Speaker 4: The love ones with the love you got that love
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  Speaker 4: for it, you'll find that real be obsessed. When I
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  Speaker 4: think about AI, too of people are talking about AI.
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  Speaker 4: I'm like, I think it's actually going to be good
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  Speaker 4: in a way because it's going to really let the
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  Speaker 4: cream rise to.
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  Speaker 2: The top because you can't replicate that soul. Yeah, you
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  Speaker 2: know what I mean.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, So so the mediocrity that people just go do
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  Speaker 4: that quick thing, they're gonna have problems.
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  Speaker 5: And it's there's something karmically to skip things steps. You know,
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  Speaker 5: if you six steps and you try to you know,
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  Speaker 5: you try to get rich quick schemes and those kind
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  Speaker 5: of things. You can get that first push, but to last,
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  Speaker 5: you really have to have a craft and an obsession
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  Speaker 5: and the love for the game and the music to
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  Speaker 5: make it last.
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  Speaker 1: And then when I heard you about Bill Wizards Robin,
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  Speaker 1: you said he was a poet and you talked about
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  Speaker 1: his lyrics. I feel like nowadays people just want to
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  Speaker 1: get the beat, make a melody, don't even care what
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  Speaker 1: the hell he's saying on the record.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, as long as it feels good. But you know,
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  Speaker 5: some people do have something to say. They still have
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  Speaker 5: something to say.
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  Speaker 4: But I think relatability is also when I write my records,
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  Speaker 4: I try to be as relatable as possible. You know
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  Speaker 4: what I'm saying. The thing when you think about listen
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  Speaker 4: to grandma Hands, that's that's that's your life. If you yes,
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  Speaker 4: everybody Grandma's hands, that's every word that he was saying
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  Speaker 4: that I'm He's by my grandmother. So that record speaks
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  Speaker 4: to me, you know what I mean. So it's really
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  Speaker 4: writing songs. I'm gonna throw a ferries in a little
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  Speaker 4: bit off, but you know it wasn't me. Is out
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  Speaker 4: of your banging, you know, somebody banging and you wish
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  Speaker 4: your banging very It's very relatable.
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  Speaker 6: Did you guys, did either of you feel pressure to
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  Speaker 6: like to make new music because of all the things
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  Speaker 6: that are going on, you know, all the new music
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  Speaker 6: that is out now, right, Did you guys feel pressure?
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  Speaker 4: Well?
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  Speaker 5: I always feel just the pressure you put on yourself
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  Speaker 5: as an artist, just to challenge yourself and try to
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  Speaker 5: make something great. I mean, I think we all want
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  Speaker 5: to get in there and make something that touches hearts
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  Speaker 5: and moves culture. And you don't always, you know, hit
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  Speaker 5: that mark. But I think we're always trying to challenge ourselves.
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  Speaker 5: And if you've made eight, nine, ten albums, then you
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  Speaker 5: you don't want to you don't want to leave the
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  Speaker 5: audience you've made, but you don't want to, you know,
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  Speaker 5: repeat yourself.
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  Speaker 4: I think the hardest thing right now for me at
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  Speaker 4: this stage's game is to be inspired, you know, and
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  Speaker 4: I look for inspiration and so I'm not putting anything
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  Speaker 4: out unless I'm totally inspired, you know. And I and
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  Speaker 4: I try to find the uncomfortable because I don't think
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  Speaker 4: there's growth without being uncomfortable, you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 4: And then I find comfort outside of my comfort zone
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  Speaker 4: and then look for the uncomfortable again, you know, because
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  Speaker 4: it keeps you alive and everything's you know, the hamster
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  Speaker 4: in the wheel feels comfortable in the wheel, but it
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  Speaker 4: goes nowhere on big time, big time, big time. And
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  Speaker 4: that's why I don't put out music as often as
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  Speaker 4: everybody else. I have to make sure it's crafted right
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  Speaker 4: and I and I have to I have to like
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  Speaker 4: it first. And I've always made music selfishly. I do
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  Speaker 4: it for me, and then if you like it, then
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  Speaker 4: you like it. I've been doing this for a while,
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  Speaker 4: I mean, and there's been many inspirations, you know. Sting
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  Speaker 4: has been a big inspiration. Right now this moment and
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  Speaker 4: this moment, yeah, it's just it's this record that I'm
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  Speaker 4: doing is a record that I've been doing for a while,
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  Speaker 4: you know, over a couple of years. You know, I've
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  Speaker 4: just got fit. I've made this record like four times,
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  Speaker 4: I mean, because I keep challenging myself. I said, nah,
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  Speaker 4: it ain't that. It ain't that, you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 4: So the inspiration now comes from just where the game is,
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  Speaker 4: because I'm in the game every day, watching it, watching
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  Speaker 4: these younger artists. I surround myself with a lot of
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  Speaker 4: young people, you know what I mean. My my whole
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  Speaker 4: team that I make records are younger people with me,
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  Speaker 4: you know what I mean. And I pulled from them,
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  Speaker 4: and a lot of them will have raw, raw talent,
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  Speaker 4: but that that sense of structure, you know what I'm saying,
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  Speaker 4: and and just figuring out because I'm more traveled than them,
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  Speaker 4: I know what will work and what market, what does
• 12:36
  Speaker 4: and even the rollout of how it's done. You know,
• 12:39
  Speaker 4: they're they're like, oh, okay, I see why you do that.
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  Speaker 4: You know, I just dropped something with me dexter dapts embarrassed.
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  Speaker 4: It's just ripping up the dance all right now. Then
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  Speaker 4: I drop the akon uh and and I don't you
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  Speaker 4: know which is on the And then now I come
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  Speaker 4: with me a robin, you know what I mean. So
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  Speaker 4: there's a strategy and how I do everything. So you
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  Speaker 4: are right on the money where you're just like, okay,
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  Speaker 4: everything is strategic in a way.
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  Speaker 2: You know, what about you crazy?
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  Speaker 3: Right?
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  Speaker 1: Oh?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, you know, for me, I've been working on
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  Speaker 5: my new album for five you last time I dropped
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  Speaker 5: was twenty twenty one, and for me, it has to
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  Speaker 5: mean something to me for me to release it, you know.
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  Speaker 5: So I've gone through some and when you write, you know,
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  Speaker 5: you write forty to fifty songs, and some of them
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  Speaker 5: you're going through the dance floor something. But then by
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  Speaker 5: the time you get to the end of the project,
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  Speaker 5: you realize what matters and what means something to you.
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  Speaker 5: So I have an almost finished album that I'm trying
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  Speaker 5: to drop this year. And for me right now, you know,
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  Speaker 5: my kids inspire me. And I came from a divorced
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  Speaker 5: family when I was seven years old, and so right now,
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  Speaker 5: what's most important to me is not repeating the cycle
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  Speaker 5: of broken home, you know what I mean. So everything
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  Speaker 5: on my album is about the effort to keep a
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  Speaker 5: family together and not repeat those cycles we come from.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I always hear comedians say that, you know,
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  Speaker 1: they in between stand ups, they have to live life.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Like they.
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  Speaker 1: Can't just go out there and go on stage and
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  Speaker 1: be funny and just give you material like they have
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  Speaker 1: to live life.
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  Speaker 2: If that's the same for you, yeah, you got to go.
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  Speaker 5: And I think what I'm learning at this stage in
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  Speaker 5: my life is that the hardest things I've had to
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  Speaker 5: face have made me a better man and a stronger
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  Speaker 5: man and a better friend. The hardest things, the most
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  Speaker 5: difficult challenges, have made me stronger and better. So now
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  Speaker 5: I embrace those challenges. I think that's what happens with age,
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  Speaker 5: is that you don't take failure so seriously. Failure is
• 14:25
  Speaker 5: just part of the grind. It's just part of life,
• 14:28
  Speaker 5: you know, as opposed to when you're young and something
• 14:30
  Speaker 5: goes wrong, you're like, that's the end of my career,
• 14:31
  Speaker 5: that's the end of my life. Now I've been through
• 14:33
  Speaker 5: so many ups and downs, I can just enjoy this,
• 14:36
  Speaker 5: Like I just wake up and go, thank you God,
• 14:38
  Speaker 5: thank you God for this.
• 14:40
  Speaker 3: Day, and I might have a good time.
• 14:41
  Speaker 4: Do you find do you find it's more fun older.
• 14:45
  Speaker 5: Well, it's more fun being grateful. I think gratitude makes
• 14:51
  Speaker 5: everything more fun. But I'm coming in here and I'm like,
• 14:54
  Speaker 5: they're not gonna get me, they're not gonna like me,
• 14:55
  Speaker 5: they're not gonna treat me right.
• 14:57
  Speaker 3: But then you've already missing the whole point. You're already
• 14:59
  Speaker 3: coming up with your muscles.
• 15:02
  Speaker 1: I feel like when you're in your twenties and even
• 15:04
  Speaker 1: in your thirties, I don't know if I appreciated the.
• 15:07
  Speaker 2: Moment like so fast. Yeah, I feel like at forty seven,
• 15:11
  Speaker 2: I appreciate.
• 15:12
  Speaker 3: The moment of life.
• 15:14
  Speaker 4: I'm I'm soaking it up in this age and I'm
• 15:17
  Speaker 4: just like, wow, you know it's been a riot and
• 15:19
  Speaker 4: gratitude is a big part of it.
• 15:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 15:21
  Speaker 5: Well, I realized that if you feel, if you have
• 15:24
  Speaker 5: gratitude in your heart, then you can't really feel anything else.
• 15:27
  Speaker 5: At the same time, you can't be selfish, you can't
• 15:29
  Speaker 5: be you know, negative, if you're If you're in a
• 15:32
  Speaker 5: state of gratitude, then nothing's wrong really because you're grateful
• 15:35
  Speaker 5: for what God has given you.
• 15:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, are we.
• 15:37
  Speaker 4: Getting indy visuals like we did?
• 15:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 15:40
  Speaker 5: Actually we went number my first number one on reggae.
• 15:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we went.
• 15:45
  Speaker 5: I found out said we were number one on iTunes
• 15:47
  Speaker 5: on the reggae charts. So I got my first, my
• 15:50
  Speaker 5: first reggae number.
• 15:50
  Speaker 3: One on the iTunes.
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: At least exciting.
• 15:53
  Speaker 5: It feels great. You know, I can't say because you
• 15:55
  Speaker 5: don't like reggae I know, appreciated more.
• 16:07
  Speaker 4: No, but mis go back and forth that I don't
• 16:11
  Speaker 4: understand nothing. Man, let me tell you. I don't. I'm
• 16:15
  Speaker 4: from I'm from South Carolina. Man, what you don't make
• 16:19
  Speaker 4: me understand it? The Beige One, Oh yeah, yeah, he'll
• 16:25
  Speaker 4: break it down to you, though.
• 16:26
  Speaker 2: I'm lying that's it's not him.
• 16:28
  Speaker 4: Okay, all right, but he'll break it down to you though,
• 16:32
  Speaker 4: because you know so far as like in the streets
• 16:34
  Speaker 4: down in Jamaica, in the culture of it too. You know,
• 16:36
  Speaker 4: I think of the Beige One will let you because
• 16:38
  Speaker 4: you know he's Jamaica.
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna tell you the truth.
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: When I started listening to afro beats, like I really
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: like Afro beats, afro rhythms, and people like how you
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: like that but didn't like it, started to make me
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: appreciate it.
• 16:49
  Speaker 5: Absolutely, No, it's deep.
• 16:51
  Speaker 4: The funniest thing is if you look at dance all,
• 16:54
  Speaker 4: even the earlier there's a guy called I don't know
• 16:56
  Speaker 4: if you know what Elena ral Elena did a song
• 17:00
  Speaker 4: called Pombella Morbela, which were really the first two reggaeton
• 17:05
  Speaker 4: songs said the boom Boom boom er Umbrella umbrella.
• 17:16
  Speaker 6: Literally just said okay, sorry, I said mobela mobla, which.
• 17:22
  Speaker 4: My Spanish probably, but he did it, you know that
• 17:25
  Speaker 4: you know about it, but yeah, okay, so.
• 17:29
  Speaker 3: What that means?
• 17:29
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but I don't but that was his song that
• 17:32
  Speaker 4: he did. And and uh, el general El Helenrod used
• 17:37
  Speaker 4: to be at Erasmus Hall. Him and I used to
• 17:39
  Speaker 4: be in the lunchro back of the day. That was
• 17:40
  Speaker 4: the early part brother called Gunga Rivera. We used to
• 17:44
  Speaker 4: be uptown and he used to be those parties. And
• 17:46
  Speaker 4: VP was the label that actually put those first two
• 17:49
  Speaker 4: records out. Those records were really the first two reggaeton records.
• 17:52
  Speaker 4: And what he what El Henro used to do was
• 17:54
  Speaker 4: do dancehall records in Spanish. They used to call it
• 17:56
  Speaker 4: Spanish record And that was the first time reggae became
• 18:00
  Speaker 4: and it's becomes now a billion dollar industry. So a
• 18:03
  Speaker 4: lot of things come out of reggae and dance all.
• 18:06
  Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying. Hip hop of course a
• 18:07
  Speaker 4: cool hirk. So a lot of it comes out from
• 18:09
  Speaker 4: this culture of of of Caribbean music.
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: When you when you, when you when you are responsible
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: for sparking a billion dollar industry do you ever feel like,
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: why I didn't get my cuick?
• 18:19
  Speaker 4: No? No, because I think that in my game of this,
• 18:23
  Speaker 4: I've done pretty well. I took myself out of the ghettos.
• 18:26
  Speaker 4: I've take my family out of the ghettos. I've done
• 18:28
  Speaker 4: pretty well for myself. I look at it. It's still
• 18:32
  Speaker 4: for me to be here thirty odd years, still doing it,
• 18:35
  Speaker 4: It's incredible because do you know this game is a
• 18:38
  Speaker 4: quick game, you know what I'm saying. So to have
• 18:40
  Speaker 4: lasted this long and still be even you know, I'm
• 18:43
  Speaker 4: like the third highest streaming reggae artists in the world still,
• 18:47
  Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. So for me to still
• 18:49
  Speaker 4: be doing that, it's amazing. But we look at ourselves.
• 18:54
  Speaker 4: I don't know, I look at myself as servants. We're
• 18:56
  Speaker 4: all servants at the end of the day. So you know,
• 18:58
  Speaker 4: people look at me and say, well, shot, you know
• 19:00
  Speaker 4: you wrote it wasn't me an angel and your genius
• 19:02
  Speaker 4: and blah blah blah. I'm like, now, broad, I wrote
• 19:04
  Speaker 4: those records, but I really didn't because those are ordained
• 19:08
  Speaker 4: you know what I mean from a highest being, Because
• 19:10
  Speaker 4: if I wrote, I'd be right one every week. Trust me.
• 19:13
  Speaker 4: What I'm saying, but it's like a tool. Like you know,
• 19:16
  Speaker 4: somebody you might be building a house to four walls
• 19:19
  Speaker 4: and seemen on concrete and you reach the roof and
• 19:22
  Speaker 4: you you need a hammer, and I said, I ain't
• 19:24
  Speaker 4: got no money, and here's here's boom basting. Now you
• 19:26
  Speaker 4: can build three house and cover everybody you go on tour.
• 19:28
  Speaker 4: There's you know, three hundred to five hundred people which
• 19:31
  Speaker 4: are riggers and truck drivers and concession stand people. That's
• 19:35
  Speaker 4: that's you know, three to five hundred electric bills, cool fee,
• 19:38
  Speaker 4: you know, mortgages, and one of them might go to
• 19:41
  Speaker 4: an Ivy League school and find a cure for cancer.
• 19:43
  Speaker 4: You're part of an equation. So I look at myself
• 19:46
  Speaker 4: as everything that I do as a servant, and my
• 19:50
  Speaker 4: job is really to touch people's lives and change it.
• 19:53
  Speaker 4: You know, I wrote hot Shot. It was letting people
• 19:55
  Speaker 4: that bought homes and started their lives. You know what
• 19:57
  Speaker 4: I'm saying. I mean, I'll talk to half the motherfuckers anyway.
• 20:00
  Speaker 4: But yeah, but it doesn't matter you you really change.
• 20:05
  Speaker 4: It's about changing people's lives. So I found there's a
• 20:08
  Speaker 4: there's a moment in your life when you find purpose.
• 20:11
  Speaker 4: And when I got that purpose, I was like, okay,
• 20:13
  Speaker 4: this has not started feeling better by myself. I wasn't
• 20:15
  Speaker 4: worried because I got you know, I got jerked and
• 20:18
  Speaker 4: and you know, my career coming up with people and
• 20:21
  Speaker 4: money and management and all that I've done it. I
• 20:24
  Speaker 4: don't worry about that anymore because I found purpose.
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: Do you remember, Robin, when you found purpose?
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: Uh?
• 20:30
  Speaker 5: Well, you know I was pretty self obsessed, uh, you know,
• 20:33
  Speaker 5: trying to make it for a long time and make
• 20:35
  Speaker 5: my dad and impress my parents and those things that
• 20:38
  Speaker 5: we try to do. But yeah, when my when my
• 20:41
  Speaker 5: kids were born, and especially when my daughters were born,
• 20:45
  Speaker 5: I found a new purpose. I think I just kind
• 20:47
  Speaker 5: of morphed into my life being about me into being
• 20:52
  Speaker 5: about their you know, their futures and so. And it's
• 20:55
  Speaker 5: nice because they say that purpose is the most important
• 20:58
  Speaker 5: thing why we wake up every day, you know, why
• 21:00
  Speaker 5: we wake up and keep going. And I might have
• 21:02
  Speaker 5: given up on myself at some point, but I can't
• 21:05
  Speaker 5: give up. Well, I can't give up on Michael.
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 21:07
  Speaker 5: I say might, but you know, sometimes when you feel
• 21:08
  Speaker 5: like giving up, you just feel like I don't know
• 21:10
  Speaker 5: if I can do this anymore. I'm facing too much harshness.
• 21:12
  Speaker 5: And then but the kids, they just nothing. I've never
• 21:15
  Speaker 5: been loved more by anything in this world or needed
• 21:19
  Speaker 5: more than I.
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: Am from my kids. So they give me.
• 21:21
  Speaker 5: I wake up at six am every morning with purpose
• 21:24
  Speaker 5: thanks to them.
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 21:25
  Speaker 6: And the album that you're working on, is it therapeutic
• 21:28
  Speaker 6: for you?
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I mean that's the thing.
• 21:30
  Speaker 5: The songs that were fluff, that weren't about that, that
• 21:34
  Speaker 5: purpose just didn't seem to matter on the album anymore.
• 21:37
  Speaker 5: So all the songs that are geared towards the family
• 21:41
  Speaker 5: survival and sticking together and staying together, That's what all
• 21:44
  Speaker 5: the songs matter to me.
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: How does they reflect where you are musically now versus
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: like the Robin think we heard a decade, Well.
• 21:51
  Speaker 5: It's still it's you know, I'm always trying to make
• 21:53
  Speaker 5: black music, you know what I mean.
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: I'm trying to make soul music.
• 21:55
  Speaker 5: I'm trying to I mean, that's what I grew up on,
• 21:57
  Speaker 5: That's who I love, and those are my favorite singers.
• 21:59
  Speaker 5: I'm always trying to be a part of that culture.
• 22:02
  Speaker 5: Uh So, you know, and and I like making love songs.
• 22:05
  Speaker 5: I mean, in the end, it's it's they're almost all
• 22:07
  Speaker 5: geared towards making love, work and making love.
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: Last do you hear how Robin Think answered that.
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: Robin Think say, I'm always trying to make black music,
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: he said, He's I forgot how you said, but you
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: said you're part of a culture I want to be.
• 22:20
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, I mean, and I think that's why
• 22:22
  Speaker 5: I have some barbecue status.
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: Because I don't. I don't. I still have never.
• 22:27
  Speaker 5: I did one song where I chased pop music and uh,
• 22:31
  Speaker 5: and I don't perform it live, you know what I mean,
• 22:34
  Speaker 5: because it's just not who I who I am.
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: I brought it up because you know, Jack Hallow he
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: just put out like a he's calling it a neo soul.
• 22:40
  Speaker 5: Oh yeah yeah, R and B album, And he did an.
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: Interview and he said that the music made him blacker
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: or something like that, like like, like, what are your
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: thoughts on the situation as as a white person who's
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: been accepted in the space for so long?
• 22:52
  Speaker 5: Well, for me, I think that's just you know, it
• 22:54
  Speaker 5: all starts from inspiration.
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 22:57
  Speaker 5: I grew up in the Eddie Murphy, Michael Jackson Prince
• 22:59
  Speaker 5: which in Houston eighties. You know what I mean so
• 23:02
  Speaker 5: to me that that was the pinnacle of art and
• 23:05
  Speaker 5: of greatness, and Michael Jordan, I mean all that.
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: So those are the people I had on my wall, you.
• 23:09
  Speaker 5: Know, And so I've I've always, honestly and from the
• 23:13
  Speaker 5: bottom of my heart, wanted to be a part and
• 23:15
  Speaker 5: be accepted into that world and culture because I respect
• 23:19
  Speaker 5: and admire and love it so much.
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: And I also think that what helps you with the
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: music was good. Yes, so disrespect the jack.
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: The music ain't that good, Like the music has to
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: be good.
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: Especially if you are of another race doing that music.
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: They got to hear it and be like, oh that's
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: a bot.
• 23:33
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, no, you know, you can't. You can't
• 23:35
  Speaker 5: fool it, you know what I mean, you got to
• 23:37
  Speaker 5: you gotta come come real. But I think what he's
• 23:39
  Speaker 5: doing is I think it still shows love for the game.
• 23:41
  Speaker 5: It still shows love for the culture, and then everybody else.
• 23:44
  Speaker 5: It's all perspective after that.
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: You know, how did you feel shaty when you first
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: heart Snow?
• 23:49
  Speaker 4: Well, it's funny you broad of that because Jamaica, but
• 23:53
  Speaker 4: in itself has always been a culture. I find uh.
• 23:58
  Speaker 4: In certain other cultures it's it has to be them
• 24:01
  Speaker 4: alone and not someone else, you know what I mean.
• 24:04
  Speaker 4: Jamaica is one of the few, and reggae he's one
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: of the few cultures that embraces everybody. There's a guy
• 24:09
  Speaker 4: called Naki. I don't know if you've heard of this guy.
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: He's a Japanese dance all artist. It was massive, it
• 24:15
  Speaker 4: was massive, came to Jamaica, came to Jamaica and he
• 24:19
  Speaker 4: literally dominated Jamaica people. He would walk up on the
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: biggest stage shows and Ripert. It's another guy called Dominic
• 24:27
  Speaker 4: was a white English dance all DJ. Used to come
• 24:29
  Speaker 4: down there and come on sun Splash and he comes
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: unstaying on all the roughest stages and we just pick
• 24:35
  Speaker 4: him up, pure fan, you know. And you got Apatche Indian,
• 24:40
  Speaker 4: who is a guy that the dance all. He did
• 24:41
  Speaker 4: a song called Bom Shakaalac was a massive number one
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: globally and he got the whole Indian market to come
• 24:48
  Speaker 4: turn onto dance hall on reggae.
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 24:50
  Speaker 4: Matter of fact, if you look at all the big
• 24:53
  Speaker 4: reggae bands right now, they're all white. One of umber said,
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: you're the biggest reggae band right And I think his revolution,
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: you know, out of California. You know what I mean.
• 25:02
  Speaker 4: Matter of fact, Uh take for instance, the ones that
• 25:05
  Speaker 4: sold over ten millions red red wine with uh U
• 25:09
  Speaker 4: me me white. You know what I mean. If you
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: think about the Police, who was you know, kind of
• 25:13
  Speaker 4: a reggae band, Yeah, sure, white, you know what I mean,
• 25:16
  Speaker 4: and even things that and say yeah, you know we
• 25:18
  Speaker 4: got played because we were white. We got on radio.
• 25:19
  Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying. You look at uh you
• 25:22
  Speaker 4: know Ace of Base, another white white band. Matter of fact,
• 25:25
  Speaker 4: me and Sempa is only probably two Me and Bob
• 25:29
  Speaker 4: only two big diamond sellers that were Jamaican. Jamaican, you
• 25:32
  Speaker 4: know what I mean. But we as a culture have
• 25:34
  Speaker 4: always embraced it. They come to Jamaica and we love
• 25:38
  Speaker 4: them just the same because or motto it's on my
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: ring where you see these that is the crest of Jamaica.
• 25:45
  Speaker 4: What it says is out of many one people. So
• 25:49
  Speaker 4: my grandmother was white. You know what I mean. You
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: see a Chinese guy look straight Chinese and welcome and.
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: Say oh shock everything.
• 25:55
  Speaker 4: But yeah, yeah, and I mean, just like you know
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: what I mean, we are used to that. The guy
• 26:00
  Speaker 4: in my school, a primary school admit was this Chinese
• 26:04
  Speaker 4: guy and this Indian guy and this. You know, you
• 26:06
  Speaker 4: got Jewish people, you got everything. It's all there. That's
• 26:09
  Speaker 4: why it's out of anyone. When one uh one people
• 26:12
  Speaker 4: and it's kind of out of any one. Music and
• 26:14
  Speaker 4: the same if the earlier days you saw the stones
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: used to be down in Jamaica. All these people used
• 26:19
  Speaker 4: to come down there and they make record and embraces that.
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: Matter of fact, he would sing every breath you take,
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: and and some of those earlier songs were all written
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: in Jamaica. You know what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah, So
• 26:29
  Speaker 4: I'm just saying we as a culture have always been that,
• 26:32
  Speaker 4: you know what I mean. I see in some cultures
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: where you know, there'll be one one set of people,
• 26:37
  Speaker 4: don't like the set of people and just a bit
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: like free. Even in Africa, your life, you would remember
• 26:42
  Speaker 4: the whole controversy one of for instance, Tyler, you know
• 26:46
  Speaker 4: what I mean, she's from and then you have other
• 26:48
  Speaker 4: people in another side of like well she ain't the
• 26:50
  Speaker 4: real thing. Weird like we just embrace it all, you
• 26:52
  Speaker 4: know what I mean, and just kind of bring it
• 26:54
  Speaker 4: so for me, you know, I embrace all of that,
• 26:57
  Speaker 4: you know, and that because That's how I ended up
• 26:59
  Speaker 4: blowing up. Also, it is me going doing music. I
• 27:03
  Speaker 4: couldn't have gotten on radio unless I started to sample
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: like you know, Marvin Gay and put it on the
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: on the boombastic, you know what I mean, or Peter
• 27:12
  Speaker 4: Guns or Green Onions and and get on radio. I
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: had to do those kinds of things.
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: To clear okay, as long as you clear it, okay,
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: you see, that's the problem.
• 27:23
  Speaker 4: When you don't clear it. I mean, and we got
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: Bill with us right now, but we cleared it, you
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: know what I mean. Shout out to his estate man
• 27:33
  Speaker 4: and his wife is lovely, you know what I mean. Robin.
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: Did all the controversy around blurred lines impact you creatively
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: in any way?
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: Again, I'm sure it does.
• 27:42
  Speaker 5: It's whether it's subliminal or you know, or overt.
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: But I think in the end, I don't really.
• 27:49
  Speaker 5: I always have to have enough faith in myself that
• 27:52
  Speaker 5: another great song is coming, the next great song is coming.
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: Just keep feeling, keep sharing.
• 27:56
  Speaker 5: Luckily, you know, I can sing so sometimes, Like with
• 28:00
  Speaker 5: this record, I really didn't add that much writing.
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: He sent me the record.
• 28:03
  Speaker 5: I was like, man, this sounds this sounds great. I
• 28:05
  Speaker 5: would love, you know, let me just sing this and
• 28:06
  Speaker 5: see how I sound on it. And you know, like
• 28:09
  Speaker 5: I said, we're not reinventing the wheel with this one,
• 28:11
  Speaker 5: but with but I do.
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: I do.
• 28:13
  Speaker 5: Just keep telling myself, today could be the day you
• 28:16
  Speaker 5: write another loss without you. Today could be the day
• 28:18
  Speaker 5: you write another sweetest love or whatever, one of your best.
• 28:21
  Speaker 5: And so you just keep hitting the piano and keep
• 28:23
  Speaker 5: hitting it, you know, and then sooner or later something
• 28:25
  Speaker 5: will come up and.
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: You got that kind of catalog. I mean, you can
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: eat forever.
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 28:30
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's all performance, but it's the loveg you just
• 28:34
  Speaker 4: told me about in the damn dressing room all in
• 28:37
  Speaker 4: rerecches he used to write before he blew up. Well, yeah,
• 28:41
  Speaker 4: a lot.
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: Of people want to know that.
• 28:42
  Speaker 5: I started at sixteen as a writer. So so I
• 28:45
  Speaker 5: wrote for Brandy, Christina Aguilera, Pink, Mark Anthony, Michael Jackson.
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: I knew that was.
• 28:53
  Speaker 5: All before I released my own music.
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so I started very early.
• 28:58
  Speaker 5: Yeah I heard that I got really I never wrote
• 29:00
  Speaker 5: the hit song, but I was on their biggest albums.
• 29:03
  Speaker 5: I was on Mark Anthony's biggest album. I was on
• 29:05
  Speaker 5: Christine Pink's biggest album.
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: Brandy's biggest album. So I got really lucky early on.
• 29:10
  Speaker 4: So you know who buying lunch today.
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: That's some of my favorite artists.
• 29:15
  Speaker 4: That's what's up Robins.
• 29:16
  Speaker 6: I'm telling you right now, the evolution of Robin think
• 29:19
  Speaker 6: and sex therapy.
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: No skip albums like.
• 29:21
  Speaker 5: Thank You, the new one, that's what I'm working on
• 29:23
  Speaker 5: the new one. I'm making sure there's no skips.
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: That's why.
• 29:27
  Speaker 4: That's why you take long to do them. That's why
• 29:28
  Speaker 4: you got to make sure.
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: I said you wrote on Color Me Bads.
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: I did. I wrote Color Me Bads.
• 29:32
  Speaker 5: They were there when they came out with their new
• 29:35
  Speaker 5: album and we had the first singles called sexual something
• 29:39
  Speaker 5: sexual kind he kind of and I was working with them.
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: I was sixteen.
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: Was the least thing of that group.
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: I forgot to forget their names.
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but he got He kind of walked so you
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: could run because he was like the first white guy
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: we saw that head because that was a real because
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: that was a New Jack City soundtrack.
• 29:55
  Speaker 5: That was not just a white group making a black
• 29:58
  Speaker 5: They want a black film that you know, and Andre
• 30:00
  Speaker 5: herrel My mentor produced produced that movie's New Jack City.
• 30:06
  Speaker 5: So so that was Yeah.
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: It's a hard putting out music when somebody like Andre
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: isn't here because I know you did run a lot
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: of stuff by him.
• 30:13
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that was He was my lifetime creative partner. And
• 30:17
  Speaker 5: not just that, but I realized that a lot of
• 30:19
  Speaker 5: the people I thought were my friends were just his friends.
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: Andre passed like that, you don't want to come to
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: my birthday party?
• 30:34
  Speaker 5: But no, I realized that everybody loved Andre. People like me,
• 30:37
  Speaker 5: but everybody loved Andre because he was so helpful and
• 30:40
  Speaker 5: informative and inspiring. And every time he saw somebody, he
• 30:43
  Speaker 5: would tell you something that would help your life and career.
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: He would just give away free knowledge.
• 30:47
  Speaker 5: Everybody's a hustler, especially out here in New York, and
• 30:50
  Speaker 5: then I gonna give you any advice for free would
• 30:52
  Speaker 5: and help your career without getting something from it. He
• 30:54
  Speaker 5: just gave away knowledge all day along everywhere he went.
• 30:57
  Speaker 5: He helps people. And so for me, if I to
• 31:00
  Speaker 5: get naws on my new record.
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: Dre, where are you at? I need you to call
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: naws for me. You know what I mean?
• 31:05
  Speaker 5: He had everybody, So I do miss not just the
• 31:10
  Speaker 5: knowledge he would give me while I'm making the records,
• 31:12
  Speaker 5: Like you need some horns on this and need some
• 31:14
  Speaker 5: horns you know, just those little things he would tell
• 31:16
  Speaker 5: me that would help me take my records from one
• 31:18
  Speaker 5: notch to the next. But really his friendship and his
• 31:21
  Speaker 5: guidance and his connections and everything I missed.
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: He was like my second father, you know.
• 31:25
  Speaker 5: He taught me how to walk and talk like I
• 31:27
  Speaker 5: remember when I first started performing, he went up on
• 31:29
  Speaker 5: the stage ground but.
• 31:30
  Speaker 4: You need to do this and come over here and
• 31:31
  Speaker 4: walk over here.
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: And do a shake and do like. He taught me
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: how to dress.
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: The guy taught me, I tell.
• 31:36
  Speaker 4: You to me.
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: We met a guy named Pete Farman.
• 31:39
  Speaker 5: He was coming to LA to start a new label
• 31:42
  Speaker 5: with Babyface called New America, and he had a young
• 31:47
  Speaker 5: singer who was more like a like a dancer who
• 31:49
  Speaker 5: could sing, you know, from down in Orlando. And he
• 31:52
  Speaker 5: came to listen to records for that guy, and I
• 31:54
  Speaker 5: played him a couple of songs and I sang live,
• 31:57
  Speaker 5: and he was like, wait a second, are you.
• 31:58
  Speaker 4: Making an album?
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: So from that moment.
• 32:00
  Speaker 5: We just started working on my album and he became
• 32:03
  Speaker 5: my best friend.
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: From that moment on.
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: Wow, hey y'all calling back man, all the people that
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: was ignoring Robin after Andre, you do have the kind
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: of name you got to delete out of a phone,
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: or Robin because if you forget that E.
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: And your girls see that Robin Robin.
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: I do wonder how do collaborations like this help y'all
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: stay creatively fresh?
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: Oh?
• 32:36
  Speaker 4: For me, man, I don't, Mike. If you look the
• 32:41
  Speaker 4: track record of my collaborations are normally I use like
• 32:47
  Speaker 4: just regular artists, new artists coming up, like you know,
• 32:50
  Speaker 4: you know, Angel was me and Ray Vaughn uh and
• 32:54
  Speaker 4: Ra wasn't a big artist or anything like that. But
• 32:56
  Speaker 4: we did Big Up and we did h Angel, and
• 32:58
  Speaker 4: we did Summertime and those were all you know, hit records.
• 33:01
  Speaker 4: And then we I did and it wasn't me. I
• 33:04
  Speaker 4: did Rick Rock, who is also an unknown artist. Recently,
• 33:07
  Speaker 4: I did Banana over two billion stream with an unknown
• 33:10
  Speaker 4: artist by the name of a Conqueror. So I always find,
• 33:14
  Speaker 4: you know, go down there with Spie with Spice, a
• 33:15
  Speaker 4: big artist. But you know what I mean, I always
• 33:17
  Speaker 4: just go with local artists because that's where my access was.
• 33:22
  Speaker 4: And sometimes I can't deal with the drama of dealing
• 33:26
  Speaker 4: with the big artists because it comes with you know, well,
• 33:28
  Speaker 4: I want four first class teas tickets for my assistant
• 33:31
  Speaker 4: and my dogs, and you know it's like, I'm yo, bro,
• 33:34
  Speaker 4: you know what I mean. Uh So most of my
• 33:37
  Speaker 4: collaborations come from just just sheer friendship.
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 33:41
  Speaker 4: I struck up a friendship with Robin and uh I
• 33:45
  Speaker 4: must say I even said it to you when you
• 33:46
  Speaker 4: walked into that shook an. I said, it's great. It's
• 33:49
  Speaker 4: refreshing to be promoting the record with a guy that's
• 33:52
  Speaker 4: pro like, like he shows up on time, he just
• 33:55
  Speaker 4: he does roll with a bunch of people. He just
• 33:57
  Speaker 4: comes in, he tells you all this off he's going
• 34:00
  Speaker 4: to do, and just just beyond it. I'm not used
• 34:02
  Speaker 4: that even on local artists that I've been I mean,
• 34:05
  Speaker 4: I'm seeing thirty people walk in with him. It was like, yo,
• 34:07
  Speaker 4: what we're doing? You know what I'm saying. So it's
• 34:09
  Speaker 4: based on friendship. Like with me and Sting, we're genuine friends.
• 34:12
  Speaker 4: I mean, it's a friendship.
• 34:14
  Speaker 5: Well, you know, I gotta be honest, And I think
• 34:16
  Speaker 5: the reason that a lot of people can last, or
• 34:18
  Speaker 5: that some people last in this business is who they are,
• 34:20
  Speaker 5: you know, and is a great guy you know, and
• 34:22
  Speaker 5: he's he's just a great human being. He's kind, he's
• 34:25
  Speaker 5: warm hearted, he makes great music, you know. I joked
• 34:28
  Speaker 5: that like Jaggi's music is like donuts. It's like it's yummy.
• 34:32
  Speaker 5: It tastes good, it makes you feel good. Everybody loves donuts.
• 34:37
  Speaker 5: Shaggy's music just tastes good and feels good.
• 34:39
  Speaker 4: Thank you sir. Yeah, I appreciate that.
• 34:40
  Speaker 5: And what I mean for me this kind of a record,
• 34:43
  Speaker 5: and the reason I did it is it's a nice
• 34:45
  Speaker 5: bridge for me, Like, you know, because there's so much
• 34:47
  Speaker 5: pressure when you're putting out a new project, especially you
• 34:50
  Speaker 5: haven't put out nothing out in years and blah blah blah.
• 34:52
  Speaker 5: So I'm holding on to this album. I'm a little nervous.
• 34:54
  Speaker 5: I'm trying to make the visual visuals. I'm trying to
• 34:56
  Speaker 5: get everything right, but I'm scared. This record gives me
• 34:59
  Speaker 5: a little bit of okay, we on the charge. People
• 35:01
  Speaker 5: feeling it, they like it okay. It gives me a
• 35:02
  Speaker 5: little momentum, you know, I can I can hop on
• 35:05
  Speaker 5: the train with my news stuff and feel a little
• 35:08
  Speaker 5: extra confidence instead of sitting home going I don't know
• 35:10
  Speaker 5: if anyone's going to get this or like it.
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: Maybe I shouldn't put it out.
• 35:13
  Speaker 5: So having a nice just feel good record now gives
• 35:16
  Speaker 5: me more confidence.
• 35:17
  Speaker 4: And it's good to share the load. You know what
• 35:20
  Speaker 4: I'm saying, It's good to share the load.
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, with mister.
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: Sand that's crazy talk, boss.
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: Man.
• 35:37
  Speaker 5: I totally, we totally messed up because my mom was
• 35:40
  Speaker 5: telling me a story the other day where she tried
• 35:41
  Speaker 5: to make sure that I had a name that you
• 35:43
  Speaker 5: couldn't make fun of at school.
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: And then when they gave the lady the name Robin Allen.
• 35:47
  Speaker 5: Thick, she came back and she goes, so, how is
• 35:49
  Speaker 5: our little rat?
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: She goes, oh, no, we named him all right.
• 35:53
  Speaker 5: Sounds like but I I messed up even worse.
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: I messed up even worse.
• 36:00
  Speaker 5: My my wife's middle name is Love. Her name is
• 36:03
  Speaker 5: April Love. Right, so we decided to give my daughter
• 36:05
  Speaker 5: the middle name Love after her mom. But then we
• 36:08
  Speaker 5: didn't realize that her name is me A Love Thick.
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: She gonna go to school with me a Love dick.
• 36:18
  Speaker 4: My god, high school experience.
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: I do want to know, Robert before we get out
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: of here. Why are you scared?
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: What are you scared of?
• 36:28
  Speaker 5: Well, you know, I think it's just a natural feeling
• 36:32
  Speaker 5: of of when you've had ups and downs and you
• 36:35
  Speaker 5: and you wonder how people are going to respond, and
• 36:37
  Speaker 5: you just want to get it right.
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: You want to connect again.
• 36:39
  Speaker 5: You know that that that time when Evolution was out
• 36:42
  Speaker 5: and what I was saying was connecting and it was
• 36:44
  Speaker 5: helping people with the toughest times in their lives and
• 36:46
  Speaker 5: their relationships. That's why I wrote it because it helped
• 36:48
  Speaker 5: me with my toughest times. So you want that connection
• 36:51
  Speaker 5: to happen again. And if the first single doesn't hit,
• 36:54
  Speaker 5: they stop spending money, and.
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: Then the blah blah and then the record and the.
• 36:57
  Speaker 5: Other songs that have a lot of you know, true
• 37:00
  Speaker 5: and importance to you, they don't get heard, you know,
• 37:03
  Speaker 5: So so I just want.
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: To get it right.
• 37:05
  Speaker 5: And this at least is like it's just a nice quest,
• 37:07
  Speaker 5: you know.
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: It's just a swing out.
• 37:09
  Speaker 5: To the fences to go, hey, we're out here, we're
• 37:11
  Speaker 5: making music, we're feeling good, we're having a good time.
• 37:13
  Speaker 5: And then I can follow this with my own stuff.
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: I don't even know what success looks like nowadays though.
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: It Is it a billion of streams? Is it a
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: number one record?
• 37:22
  Speaker 4: Like?
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: I don't even know what that is.
• 37:24
  Speaker 4: How I feel it is, I've had I have a
• 37:26
  Speaker 4: fan base, Uh, and when I'm I tour a lot
• 37:31
  Speaker 4: because I do it because I love it. I mean,
• 37:35
  Speaker 4: I'm a guy that if you ask me what part
• 37:37
  Speaker 4: of the whole business I like. You know, I write
• 37:39
  Speaker 4: great songs. I'd be in the studio, but I love touring.
• 37:43
  Speaker 4: I like being in front of an audience. It's the
• 37:45
  Speaker 4: most honest and raw feeling that you could get. Their
• 37:49
  Speaker 4: opinions is real when it's coming at you, and I
• 37:53
  Speaker 4: have to feed that and they want music from me, right,
• 37:56
  Speaker 4: So it doesn't matter whether it's a stream or not.
• 37:58
  Speaker 4: When I go out there and I'm singing, my audience
• 38:00
  Speaker 4: is front in front of me and they're loving and
• 38:03
  Speaker 4: singing that song with me, that's winning for me. That's
• 38:06
  Speaker 4: my success. Now. If it hits a charge and that
• 38:09
  Speaker 4: goes up and all that, it's it's fun. I've had
• 38:11
  Speaker 4: records that albums that my favorite album is not the
• 38:16
  Speaker 4: big selling album that I do un hotshot, you know
• 38:19
  Speaker 4: what I mean. I have all the albums and was like, Yo,
• 38:20
  Speaker 4: this is just way better, you know what I mean? And
• 38:22
  Speaker 4: I do it. But my fans that are in front
• 38:24
  Speaker 4: of me, they know those records, and to me, that's
• 38:27
  Speaker 4: feeding the beast. That's what the success is for me.
• 38:30
  Speaker 6: And that's what I wanted to say to you, Robin.
• 38:32
  Speaker 6: I think it's the impact, right, what success for you
• 38:35
  Speaker 6: would be because even going back to the evolution of
• 38:38
  Speaker 6: Robin think my parents were going through a little crazy
• 38:41
  Speaker 6: time in their marriage and that album or constant repeat,
• 38:46
  Speaker 6: no skip with you know what I'm saying, that's how
• 38:48
  Speaker 6: I listened to Oh and then you had sex, came
• 38:50
  Speaker 6: back up, followed up with sex therapy, and I think
• 38:53
  Speaker 6: that's where you were and at that point in your
• 38:56
  Speaker 6: life to make that type of music. So where you're
• 38:58
  Speaker 6: at now, where you saying you're holding on to the
• 38:59
  Speaker 6: album because you know you're scared and everything. I think
• 39:03
  Speaker 6: who you are, just your authentic self, like a lot
• 39:06
  Speaker 6: of people are going.
• 39:07
  Speaker 4: Through what you're what you're speaking through this album. Yeah,
• 39:10
  Speaker 4: so just drop that shit.
• 39:11
  Speaker 5: No I am, it's it's ready. It's I think this was.
• 39:14
  Speaker 5: But you know how God works in mysterious ways. I
• 39:17
  Speaker 5: had a hiccup with a distribution company. So I was
• 39:19
  Speaker 5: working on a new distribution company and I was wondering,
• 39:21
  Speaker 5: I'm like, why is it taking so long? While I
• 39:23
  Speaker 5: feel like I'm sitting still, And then this happened. And
• 39:26
  Speaker 5: now this might be exactly what God was having me
• 39:28
  Speaker 5: wait for, because now I've got I've got shaggy, I
• 39:31
  Speaker 5: can ride his coat tails for a minute, you know
• 39:32
  Speaker 5: what I mean. Get out here, do some interviews, get
• 39:35
  Speaker 5: the new record out, and then I can feel that
• 39:37
  Speaker 5: confidence building to go, Okay, now I'm coming back with
• 39:39
  Speaker 5: my own stuff.
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: You know. So I think it all helps.
• 39:42
  Speaker 5: You know, everything one one's success begets another success and
• 39:45
  Speaker 5: confidence and momentum all all matters.
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: You know, how did you know when you wanted to
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: get married again?
• 39:51
  Speaker 5: Well, you know, we had a lot of love very early,
• 39:55
  Speaker 5: and we wanted to start a family early. So we
• 39:57
  Speaker 5: had three kids in three years, and so it was
• 40:01
  Speaker 5: more TV Netflix. Yeah, we were netflick and no chill,
• 40:10
  Speaker 5: you know, but yeah, I think that. I mean, we
• 40:17
  Speaker 5: were together, so it wasn't really about the marriage as
• 40:19
  Speaker 5: much as we wanted to start a family. And then
• 40:22
  Speaker 5: once we had the three kids, I wanted to wait
• 40:24
  Speaker 5: until the kids were old enough to see us get
• 40:26
  Speaker 5: married because if they got married, if we get married
• 40:28
  Speaker 5: when they're one years old, they don't have any recollection
• 40:31
  Speaker 5: of memory. But at least they were six and seven
• 40:33
  Speaker 5: years old, So the girls got to walk the aisle
• 40:36
  Speaker 5: and you know, and all that.
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: So now it's a real memory for.
• 40:38
  Speaker 4: The whole family that close behind each you get no sleep.
• 40:41
  Speaker 4: It was not close in age behind you. It's crazy,
• 40:45
  Speaker 4: but you gotta love it.
• 40:46
  Speaker 5: And for me, like I said, like, this is the
• 40:48
  Speaker 5: time of my life where this is what gives me.
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: Joy.
• 40:53
  Speaker 5: It makes me want to be a better man and
• 40:54
  Speaker 5: do the right thing every day. So it's the right
• 40:56
  Speaker 5: time for the right reason.
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: And I heard you mentioned earlier that you know, you
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: your parents had gotten divorce and you didn't want to
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: recreate that.
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: So do you feel like, I don't know a failure, Well.
• 41:06
  Speaker 5: I already did, yeah, because Paula didn't work. But our
• 41:09
  Speaker 5: son is thriving and doing great. She's an incredible mom.
• 41:11
  Speaker 5: I trying to be an incredible dad, and so now
• 41:15
  Speaker 5: I don't want to do that again, especially with three kids.
• 41:17
  Speaker 5: And I made and that didn't work, and so it's
• 41:19
  Speaker 5: just about and you learn, you know, you learn that
• 41:21
  Speaker 5: there's some things I could have done better and some
• 41:23
  Speaker 5: things were just meant to be. Like I do love
• 41:25
  Speaker 5: my life and I love that I have three extra kids,
• 41:28
  Speaker 5: you know, and that wasn't something that necessarily Paul and
• 41:30
  Speaker 5: I were going to do is have more children. So
• 41:33
  Speaker 5: it all worked out and the best way for us separately.
• 41:36
  Speaker 5: But yeah, I think you just you're learning along the way,
• 41:39
  Speaker 5: you know, And like I said, the harder things get,
• 41:44
  Speaker 5: once you get through that, you're only stronger and you're
• 41:46
  Speaker 5: only better, you know, and you love yourself more. I
• 41:48
  Speaker 5: think this is finally the period of my life where
• 41:50
  Speaker 5: I'm learning to just love myself as opposed to search
• 41:53
  Speaker 5: for love from everyone else and search for affirmation. You know,
• 41:56
  Speaker 5: the guys that I the patriarchs that I wanted to
• 41:58
  Speaker 5: impress and hang out with, are gone. So now you know,
• 42:03
  Speaker 5: it's like it's all up to me to try to
• 42:04
  Speaker 5: find that inspiration and and and do it for my
• 42:08
  Speaker 5: kids so they can have a great life and lead
• 42:10
  Speaker 5: by example. That's the thing that I realized I was
• 42:12
  Speaker 5: messing up, is I got a lead by example. You
• 42:15
  Speaker 5: can't just tell them what to do and then go
• 42:17
  Speaker 5: act like a fool. You have to lead by example
• 42:19
  Speaker 5: when you're a parent, and I.
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: Guess nobody ever talked about that when it comes to
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: you when you think about.
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: Probably the levels of grief you experienced, right.
• 42:25
  Speaker 5: Your father and I do a speech on stage. I
• 42:28
  Speaker 5: had these years where I got divorced, ensued. Then my
• 42:31
  Speaker 5: father passed, then my manager passed, then my house burned down.
• 42:36
  Speaker 5: What then Andrea Herrel passed. That was five years in
• 42:38
  Speaker 5: a row of tragedy, tragedy, tragedy, tragedy, tragedy.
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: And you know, I almost That's what I was saying.
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: I almost lost.
• 42:44
  Speaker 5: It was looking into my kids' faces every day and saying,
• 42:47
  Speaker 5: you know, this is worth being your very best for them.
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: What do you think God was trying to show you?
• 42:53
  Speaker 5: I think God was saying, you've had it fairly easy
• 42:56
  Speaker 5: up till now. Even though you thought you struggled, struggled internally,
• 43:01
  Speaker 5: you've still had a good father, a good mother, uh
• 43:04
  Speaker 5: you know, good schools, lots of friends, a nice voice,
• 43:08
  Speaker 5: you know what I mean. And so I think that
• 43:11
  Speaker 5: that was just who are you when when you're challenged?
• 43:13
  Speaker 5: Who are you when the road gets rough?
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: You know?
• 43:16
  Speaker 5: And now I've found out that I like myself better
• 43:20
  Speaker 5: now that I went through those times than I did
• 43:22
  Speaker 5: when I hadn't gone through them and thought I deserved more.
• 43:26
  Speaker 5: I was entitled to a certain life. Now I don't
• 43:28
  Speaker 5: feel that I'm entitled to anything. I feel like I
• 43:30
  Speaker 5: have to earn everything. I get therapy, Yeah, a little
• 43:34
  Speaker 5: bit of therapy, uh, you know, and yeah yeah there,
• 43:39
  Speaker 5: but yeah, but.
• 43:42
  Speaker 4: Help ye yeah.
• 43:46
  Speaker 5: I think it's just you know, you got to look
• 43:48
  Speaker 5: in the mirror and you have to you have to
• 43:50
  Speaker 5: really be honest with yourself, and you have to be
• 43:52
  Speaker 5: able to say, you know what, you didn't handle that right,
• 43:54
  Speaker 5: You could have done that better. You can change that
• 43:56
  Speaker 5: about your personality. You got to own it. And lately
• 43:59
  Speaker 5: I've really found it a place of calm and of
• 44:01
  Speaker 5: peace and of patience that I think I'd never had before.
• 44:06
  Speaker 5: You know, and the kids kind of bring that out
• 44:08
  Speaker 5: of you because you see yourself and them once they
• 44:10
  Speaker 5: start acting like you the bad side, I wait a second,
• 44:14
  Speaker 5: that's me.
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: You're doing it right now.
• 44:17
  Speaker 5: So you just kind of fix yourself along the way.
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: Now, I truly do all that agent is good.
• 44:23
  Speaker 4: It gives your perspective if you're lucky.
• 44:25
  Speaker 5: To make it, and you know, I live I lived
• 44:27
  Speaker 5: the rockstar lifestyle. And then you see Ozzy Osbourne and
• 44:30
  Speaker 5: the way he lived and he only made it to
• 44:32
  Speaker 5: seventy even though he tried to fix his health fifteen
• 44:35
  Speaker 5: twenty years early. So you know, I'm approaching fifty, and
• 44:39
  Speaker 5: you know, and for right now, I'm like, the only
• 44:41
  Speaker 5: thing that matters is being around another thirty.
• 44:43
  Speaker 4: It does catch up on you, though, Yeah, that s
• 44:46
  Speaker 4: it is real. I find myself doing some things now
• 44:48
  Speaker 4: and I'm like, man, I can't believe it. I don't drink,
• 44:50
  Speaker 4: I don't smoke. I don't you know. I mean, I
• 44:52
  Speaker 4: get up in the morning. I hit the gym really
• 44:54
  Speaker 4: hard every morning. I'm like, even when I and I
• 44:56
  Speaker 4: hate every all the people will be like, oh I
• 44:58
  Speaker 4: feel great when I'm in the gym and I'm grud
• 45:00
  Speaker 4: them suck.
• 45:03
  Speaker 5: I just tried to change my diet, change my head,
• 45:06
  Speaker 5: my priority, so being with my priority as opposed to
• 45:09
  Speaker 5: does everyone love me?
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: You know?
• 45:11
  Speaker 4: But but your body tells you you kind of have
• 45:14
  Speaker 4: to because after you start going certain things ain't starting
• 45:17
  Speaker 4: to feel right. Once you make those changes, you realize
• 45:21
  Speaker 4: how you just feel different. I was like, oh, well,
• 45:23
  Speaker 4: I guess it's a life slight check. You know, that's
• 45:25
  Speaker 4: what it is.
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: Did you ever feel like that shacking? Do you ever
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: feel like I need everybody to love me all the time?
• 45:29
  Speaker 4: Like, No, I wasn't. I wasn't that kind of guy
• 45:32
  Speaker 4: that that, you know, because I was always around people
• 45:36
  Speaker 4: who kind of bring me down to make themselves feel better,
• 45:39
  Speaker 4: know what I'm saying. So it was always you know,
• 45:42
  Speaker 4: oh you can't do it. Why can't you can't do it?
• 45:44
  Speaker 3: You know?
• 45:45
  Speaker 4: So that was my I had to get people to
• 45:48
  Speaker 4: come into my life. Like I said, Sting came into
• 45:50
  Speaker 4: my life. And and when you look at a guy
• 45:53
  Speaker 4: that's Ture saying that you remember with me and men
• 45:56
  Speaker 4: and he was like, yeah, you know, I'm at chegging
• 45:58
  Speaker 4: and this guy's did you I'm like, what did you
• 46:01
  Speaker 4: just say? It's just kind of like I'm a what
• 46:04
  Speaker 4: you know what I mean? And I'm glad. I'm like,
• 46:07
  Speaker 4: no one has ever said that to me. But to
• 46:09
  Speaker 4: see this guy would say that, it was like, bro,
• 46:11
  Speaker 4: you're one of the great. So now I'm doing a
• 46:12
  Speaker 4: play right now, which is it's called The Last Ship
• 46:16
  Speaker 4: with me and Sting Last Ship, the Last Ship, Like
• 46:19
  Speaker 4: why would you hear ship? The Last Ship? And we
• 46:25
  Speaker 4: did Amsterdam to get a sold out. We just came
• 46:28
  Speaker 4: back from Paris, sold out him and me here in
• 46:32
  Speaker 4: Junia in June. It's here at the met in June.
• 46:35
  Speaker 4: You put a suit on the com it's about his childhood. Uh,
• 46:40
  Speaker 4: you know, back in the days, they used to build
• 46:42
  Speaker 4: ships and about eighty percent of the ships in the
• 46:45
  Speaker 4: world used to be built out of there. And then
• 46:47
  Speaker 4: after a while, just with you know, technology and uh economy,
• 46:52
  Speaker 4: everything closed down and it's kind of like what's happening now,
• 46:55
  Speaker 4: people losing their jobs based on on AI and stuff
• 46:58
  Speaker 4: like that. So it's very related in that sense. And
• 47:00
  Speaker 4: it's really a story about, you know, how those shipyard
• 47:05
  Speaker 4: was closing. It's the last ship, and how everybody gathered
• 47:07
  Speaker 4: around even though they was going to counselor ship, but
• 47:09
  Speaker 4: everybody in the yard decided that we're going to finish
• 47:12
  Speaker 4: this ship, you know what I mean. And even they
• 47:14
  Speaker 4: worked without pay and did everything and went ahead and
• 47:16
  Speaker 4: finished the ship. And there's also a love story in
• 47:18
  Speaker 4: there to a guy and went back. So it was
• 47:20
  Speaker 4: really really good. And I've never done theater before, and
• 47:24
  Speaker 4: the Sting just called me and says, yo, you know,
• 47:26
  Speaker 4: I wrote this role for you. I want you to
• 47:27
  Speaker 4: be on it. And I'm like, yo, bro, I never
• 47:29
  Speaker 4: what do you talk about? And it was like, nah,
• 47:31
  Speaker 4: I could do it. And then you know, I mean,
• 47:33
  Speaker 4: you can you imagine you know, these are trained actors. Yeah,
• 47:36
  Speaker 4: you know, it was like, you know, but he believed
• 47:38
  Speaker 4: in me so much, and I got like, you know,
• 47:41
  Speaker 4: right when I was doing rehearsal, the hurricane happened in Jamaica,
• 47:45
  Speaker 4: and so I had to go and you know, go
• 47:47
  Speaker 4: do my thing there. So I couldn't do rehearsals. But
• 47:53
  Speaker 4: I went on there and I had one dress rehearsal
• 47:56
  Speaker 4: and the next day next one was a show and
• 47:57
  Speaker 4: the next day was press day and I was went
• 47:59
  Speaker 4: on there and I just kind of killed and then
• 48:02
  Speaker 4: you gotta move.
• 48:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I.
• 48:06
  Speaker 4: Told you a couple of things that's working into So
• 48:08
  Speaker 4: we're working on a couple of things here. Things are
• 48:11
  Speaker 4: just coming to you. It's amazing coming to you, you know
• 48:13
  Speaker 4: what I mean. And I'm just kind of like, you know,
• 48:15
  Speaker 4: going in and out on it. But it's good. You
• 48:17
  Speaker 4: got to come see that. It's at the MIT. Yeah,
• 48:21
  Speaker 4: ninth to the fourteenth, you know what I mean. I'm
• 48:23
  Speaker 4: going to Australia to we're doing Australia. I'm leaving in
• 48:26
  Speaker 4: the end of this month of June, right and and
• 48:30
  Speaker 4: uh next month I'm going into Australia for four weeks
• 48:34
  Speaker 4: with the play. Also, so I'm doing the musical also,
• 48:36
  Speaker 4: so there's a lot of things, you know, it's this thing.
• 48:38
  Speaker 4: Was one of those people who who really helped my confidence.
• 48:42
  Speaker 4: You know, I man let me do things. I mean,
• 48:43
  Speaker 4: the guy made me do a Sinatra album in reggae.
• 48:47
  Speaker 4: What you know what, Charlamagne God, just have some things
• 48:55
  Speaker 4: and put people in your way. I can't tell you
• 48:57
  Speaker 4: why him and I went to do one song together.
• 49:01
  Speaker 4: He walked and singing a song and then he looks
• 49:03
  Speaker 4: at me and says, produce me, Shaggy, Uh, produce me
• 49:06
  Speaker 4: the way you're supposed to because it's reggae and the
• 49:09
  Speaker 4: man to cut them vocals. But in that session I
• 49:12
  Speaker 4: ended up how we ended up having just way so
• 49:15
  Speaker 4: much fun. It was more fun than work in the
• 49:18
  Speaker 4: session that we walked out in there and said we
• 49:20
  Speaker 4: don't want it to stop. And we just ended up
• 49:22
  Speaker 4: moving from that to making an album and a tour.
• 49:25
  Speaker 4: And then he's just like my best friend and I'm
• 49:26
  Speaker 4: talking to her every week.
• 49:28
  Speaker 5: And my wife yesterday she was like, you guys, she
• 49:30
  Speaker 5: loves the new song because I didn't play it for
• 49:32
  Speaker 5: it until it was done and it was out, and
• 49:34
  Speaker 5: she says, I love the new song. You Shaggy should
• 49:36
  Speaker 5: do more records together. Absolutely, Maybe Shaggy just has that
• 49:39
  Speaker 5: absolute effect on everybody.
• 49:41
  Speaker 4: I mean, he comes in and everybody's called me about
• 49:44
  Speaker 4: something else. Every new idea comes up is like, Shaggy,
• 49:47
  Speaker 4: what do you think of this? Let's do this?
• 49:48
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
• 49:49
  Speaker 4: And I'm you know, I'm like ultimate wingman. Let's go
• 49:51
  Speaker 4: yeah whatever, And it's uncomfortable these position day But like me,
• 49:56
  Speaker 4: where am I? I'm not a singer like that. But
• 49:57
  Speaker 4: he was like, oh yeah, and taught me how you can't.
• 50:00
  Speaker 3: I heard your singing records is strong man. I wouldn't even.
• 50:03
  Speaker 4: Know, yeah, but I was. I was always a dance
• 50:06
  Speaker 4: all toasted, like you know what I mean. But I
• 50:07
  Speaker 4: never really because I had people around me that if
• 50:10
  Speaker 4: I come into a song where I'm singing, because I
• 50:12
  Speaker 4: used to do background on some of my stuff, if
• 50:14
  Speaker 4: I do today, people Mustard is like I think.
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: I think Luthor Vandel, snow Angel.
• 50:23
  Speaker 4: Just one big party when you're still young. I mean,
• 50:25
  Speaker 4: it's it's singing. But for me, it's like people, it's like,
• 50:31
  Speaker 4: you can't do that because I'm from the sound systems
• 50:33
  Speaker 4: of dancing, you know. So, so he was a big
• 50:36
  Speaker 4: big help in that man.
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: My last question, what do each of you learn from
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: working together that you'all will carry into future projects and
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: and just in life period.
• 50:46
  Speaker 4: I love I love Rob's professionalism. I said that to
• 50:49
  Speaker 4: you multiple times, even though the phone you know it's
• 50:53
  Speaker 4: it is so it makes me have hope in the
• 50:57
  Speaker 4: game that there's this thing could still you know, satisfy me.
• 51:01
  Speaker 4: And I'm inspired by how professional he is. I mean,
• 51:05
  Speaker 4: you showed up in the video. It came to the
• 51:06
  Speaker 4: video by himself. He just kind of rolled up and
• 51:09
  Speaker 4: I was like, you just came out.
• 51:11
  Speaker 5: I gave up my personal assistant money for school.
• 51:16
  Speaker 3: My kids.
• 51:17
  Speaker 4: He just showed up, boom, he did everything boom boom,
• 51:20
  Speaker 4: and was out. I was like, yo, bro.
• 51:22
  Speaker 5: You know I heard the ind of his documentary years
• 51:24
  Speaker 5: ago that Chuck Berry was like that that he would
• 51:25
  Speaker 5: just show up and all he had was his guitar
• 51:28
  Speaker 5: case and he would just show up by himself, get
• 51:31
  Speaker 5: with the house band, and go on to the next show.
• 51:33
  Speaker 5: And I was like, that sounds like me, like I
• 51:34
  Speaker 5: need is my voice and my suit.
• 51:37
  Speaker 4: But it's inspirational, Like I'm like.
• 51:40
  Speaker 5: And I got that from my dad. You know, my
• 51:42
  Speaker 5: dad was a workaholic.
• 51:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 51:44
  Speaker 5: I mean even when he was in his sixties, he
• 51:45
  Speaker 5: would if he had something coming out, he would do
• 51:47
  Speaker 5: a forty two radio show promotion campaign.
• 51:51
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean, and fly all over the place.
• 51:53
  Speaker 5: And and so I just learned from him, show up
• 51:55
  Speaker 5: on time, treat people right, you know what I mean.
• 51:57
  Speaker 5: And that's why working with Shaggy I love that too,
• 52:00
  Speaker 5: because I've worked with a handful of people that I'm like,
• 52:02
  Speaker 5: I don't want to work with them again, that's me.
• 52:04
  Speaker 5: But he's just a great guy, that's easy going. He's
• 52:07
  Speaker 5: a real, you know, real human being, and that makes
• 52:09
  Speaker 5: a difference.
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: That's a jewel right there.
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: I tell people all the time, if somebody says you're
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: a pleasure to work with.
• 52:14
  Speaker 4: Oh you're always going to starting. But so much about
• 52:18
  Speaker 4: surviving in this game is relationships important.
• 52:22
  Speaker 5: When I got the mass singer the TV show, you know,
• 52:26
  Speaker 5: I was coming off a little bit of the Blurred
• 52:28
  Speaker 5: Lines drama and divorced and some of that stuff. So
• 52:30
  Speaker 5: they met with me. They liked me, but they went
• 52:32
  Speaker 5: and asked Nick Nick Cannon. Now Nick and I had
• 52:34
  Speaker 5: done The Real Husbands of Hollywood with Kevin Hart, so
• 52:37
  Speaker 5: we had that rapport. So when they asked Nick, what's
• 52:39
  Speaker 5: it like working with Robin, he was like, Rob is
• 52:41
  Speaker 5: the best.
• 52:41
  Speaker 3: You're gonna love working with him. And so if that
• 52:44
  Speaker 3: wasn't the.
• 52:44
  Speaker 5: Case, if I was a jerk on real husbands, then
• 52:47
  Speaker 5: I wouldn't have gotten mass singer. And so it's all
• 52:49
  Speaker 5: them young cats out there, like it doesn't matter if
• 52:52
  Speaker 5: you're at the height of your game or what.
• 52:53
  Speaker 3: You gotta treat people right.
• 52:55
  Speaker 4: Be nice on the way up, because you're gonna see
• 52:56
  Speaker 4: them on the way down.
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: This is the final question. Do you regret putting blur lines?
• 53:02
  Speaker 3: Oh no, of course not.
• 53:03
  Speaker 5: I mean still when I performed, that's that's the magic.
• 53:06
  Speaker 5: Like I wait till the end and as soon as
• 53:09
  Speaker 5: I go, everybody get up the from an R and
• 53:11
  Speaker 5: B show to a dance show, you know, And so
• 53:14
  Speaker 5: I think that it's more about my goal is to
• 53:17
  Speaker 5: make the audience feel good. And that song is still
• 53:19
  Speaker 5: one of the tops, you know, when I perform, that
• 53:21
  Speaker 5: makes people feel good. So I don't care what else
• 53:23
  Speaker 5: came with it, as long as the people feel it.
• 53:25
  Speaker 4: There are many songs that I've done that I've lost
• 53:27
  Speaker 4: one hundred percent. Publishing though you're not an angel.
• 53:30
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 53:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah, because you couldn't get dance all in regular on radio,
• 53:35
  Speaker 4: so I had to use samples and interpolations to get
• 53:38
  Speaker 4: on radio, you know what I mean, And so I knew.
• 53:41
  Speaker 4: You know, they're like five avenues of income, you know
• 53:43
  Speaker 4: what I mean. You got you got the writer's part, right,
• 53:46
  Speaker 4: but then it's a new master, so you get in
• 53:49
  Speaker 4: the master portion. You're getting the sings, you know what
• 53:51
  Speaker 4: I mean, You're getting the sound exchange, you know, I mean,
• 53:52
  Speaker 4: you're getting it. So you know it's nothing, it's it's okay. Yeah,
• 53:56
  Speaker 4: you're losing the publishing part of it, but you still gain.
• 53:58
  Speaker 4: And I gained a crime, and I mean, so for
• 54:00
  Speaker 4: me it's a win, you know. I mean, so he
• 54:03
  Speaker 4: could never look at that record in that way of
• 54:05
  Speaker 4: like yo, because it change your life.
• 54:06
  Speaker 5: And also the challenges that came after that have made
• 54:10
  Speaker 5: me a stronger, better man, you know what I mean.
• 54:12
  Speaker 5: And that's my point is that if I hadn't faced
• 54:14
  Speaker 5: everything that came from Blurred Lines and after who knows where,
• 54:17
  Speaker 5: I might have just lost my mind.
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean.
• 54:19
  Speaker 5: But luckily I had to be grounded because life threw
• 54:23
  Speaker 5: me some some challenges and some wrenches and then I went,
• 54:26
  Speaker 5: like I said, five years in a row of tragedies.
• 54:28
  Speaker 5: So for whatever reason that's happened to me, I like myself.
• 54:32
  Speaker 5: I mean, i'd love to be, you know, back on
• 54:34
  Speaker 5: top with another number one, But I like myself more
• 54:37
  Speaker 5: now than I did.
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: Back then, And the grandest scheme of things, what happened
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: with that song pales in comparison to everything else.
• 54:43
  Speaker 5: Now for sure, because now my kids like that song
• 54:46
  Speaker 5: won't nearly matter as much as my help that's helping
• 54:49
  Speaker 5: pay for their school.
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: Of zero is still zero.
• 54:53
  Speaker 4: Bro, you know what I mean.
• 54:55
  Speaker 3: So I'm not good at math. You know what I mean?
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: If you when I'm saying, because some people might think that,
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: oh yeah, because you lost the publishing, you lose, you
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: know what I'm saying.
• 55:07
  Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying. You got it. You still
• 55:11
  Speaker 4: got the lion's chair. Last time you had a pizza,
• 55:13
  Speaker 4: you have over fifty percent. You're still winning, you know
• 55:15
  Speaker 4: what I'm saying.
• 55:17
  Speaker 3: Zero.
• 55:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah, So I'm saying even that even though you might
• 55:21
  Speaker 4: think that you didn't get one hundred percent of the record,
• 55:24
  Speaker 4: you still you know what I'm saying. That's how I'm
• 55:25
  Speaker 4: looking to be honest.
• 55:26
  Speaker 3: With you.
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: I don't know what you're saying, but it don't matter, okay,
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: because it's all about looking luckily.
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: Yes, looking lovely in May. All right, we're gonna play
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: looking lovely right now.
• 55:36
  Speaker 5: You want to throw to a shaggy, let's do a shack.
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: Were on the Breakfast Club, you know how we go.
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: BIG's hilarious in the house. Yeah, we got Robin Thick
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: in the house.
• 55:45
  Speaker 4: God the Mage King isn't here, but YO, were gonna
• 55:48
  Speaker 4: drop it anyway, Yo, looking lovely, Shaggy, Robin Thick.
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: Turn up your radio. Make sure your.
• 55:54
  Speaker 4: Window's gotta be down to Yeah, I love it.
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: Hold every day a week. Pack your glass up the
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: Breakfast Club. You finishing, y'all done,