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  You Sir and me have both had the opportunity to to interview
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  basically everybody. I know there's a couple still 2
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  to do's for you and I still haven't done Troy Jackson.
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  Shameless plug. I've done them all.
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  I have Troy tomorrow so shameless plug inside main
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  tomorrow 12:50. Last week I had on who do I have
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  at Angus King. I had Ben Midgley, Owen McCarthy
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  and one more and then tomorrow I've got 7 of them.
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  I've got Shanna Bellows, Bobby Charles, Dr. Shaw's coming in
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  studio, Troy Jackson, others that I'm forgetting.
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  So we'll we'll have gotten all of them.
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  The only one I couldn't book was Hannah Pingree and she's gonna
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  try to get on with Sean Moody next week.
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  But so I've had them all. We'll have Troy tomorrow.
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  And I've also not only I had the chance to talk to them.
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  I watch the debates. I want to get your feedback on
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  the debates. I want to hear about your
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  interviews. But can I just say that the
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  winner of the debates, I think there are two winners of the
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  debates that are very clear. The first and foremost is Pat
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  Callahan because never has he been more missed than watching
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  these NEWS CENTER debates. Cause Rob Caldwell, I'm sure
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  means well. But he, like you could tell his
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  political bias was showing through what the Republican
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  debate he cut, he cut off the Republicans, kept picking fights
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  with them. And then who's out there at Phil
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  Hirshhorn, Terrible. Not good at, at moderating.
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  So they were awful. The audio was bad, the visuals
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  was bad. The winner, the other winner
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  other than Pat Callahan, was dearly missed from Channel 6
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  NEWS CENTER. Was the main wire.
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  The main wires debate that they did.
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  I think I was there in person. I know you had something to do
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  with that, Matt. I just want to say
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  congratulations to you and your organization for putting that on
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  because it was, I thought, well produced.
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  You could hear the microphones. The questions were good.
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  I agree with Steve after the fact that I liked his opening
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  round and he should have kept it personalized.
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  These rounds of asking every candidate the same thing.
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  I know that's like how things used to work, but it's boring.
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  We want to like make it personal, tailor it to the
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  person. I think the main Wire did
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  probably the best of the debates and got a huge shadow yesterday
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  from the Vice President of the United States.
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  So very big week for the main liar.
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  Very terrible week for Phil Hirshhorn.
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  Yeah, but in retrospect. So you've now had everyone on
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  except Troy Jackson. I'll have him on tomorrow.
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  I'll, I'll get him. I'll get him to to come on with
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  you. That spoiler alert, his answer
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  for everything is, well, we just need more money.
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  We need more money. And people just pass my ideas.
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  I'm a working guy and the, the people that have been there
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  forever are are terrible and don't do the job, even though
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  I've been there forever and couldn't get anything done.
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  So anyway, that's Troy's. That's what he has to say about
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  everything. But I like Troy personally, not
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  as a candidate, don't want him anywhere near the governor's
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  office, but I like him personally.
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  But so you've had the others on. What changed in your estimation?
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  Having now talked to all of them, is there anything new?
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  New insight from the very insightful analytical?
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  Oh, genius, So you're doing the the Doctor Shaw thing You're
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  shining me on before the question, right?
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  I did think that by the way I listened.
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  I've, I've listened. I think I've caught all of them.
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  I thought it was very big of him to start off the interview by
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  saying, hey, I just want to acknowledge that you were right
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  to call me out several times because at the time I don't
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  think he appreciated it. Oh, I know he didn't because he
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  stopped coming on. I know he.
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  Didn't, but no, I I think it was big of him to acknowledge that
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  it was nice of him to come back now that he wants access to your
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  listeners. But yeah, what was the big
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  standouts or takeaways from your?
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  You know, that's a very difficult question to ask
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  because I know that my frame of reference isn't what the
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  Democratic vote voters in the primaries is.
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  So when I hear what they say and how they say it, I know that the
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  things I'm looking for and, and, and, and are interested in
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  hearing are just not the same things that they are.
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  I mean, my takeaways was that the danger, the 2 dangerous
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  candidates in the general election would have been Shaw
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  and King. Hannah Pingree sounded like the
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  most career politician person I had ever heard in my entire
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  life. Now she did good at it, but
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  like, I just feel like that's an era that's over.
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  People don't really like just the sound of it like the.
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  Sound of it, the audacity of Harriet Pingree to come on with
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  you and in the debate yesterday talking about affordability when
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  she single handedly has driven up energy prices in the state of
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  Maine faster than anywhere else in the country for her to be
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  like, oh, my number one concern is affordability.
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  Well, let me get you a mirror. Like you literally did this.
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  You made healthcare costs and you made working for Janet Mills
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  and she was she, you know, there was no one more effective for
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  Janet than Hannah Pingree. And she did that and her energy
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  policies are responsible for why everything is so expensive pre
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  war in Iran. Like right.
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  She's not responsible for the war in Iran and the new Spike,
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  but she's responsible for why Maine's an.
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  Outlier, but if we just invest more if we just invest more, she
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  says Shanna bellows. You know, she did her thing on
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  on on Monday. And, you know, that's an
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  interesting interview to consider for a minute because
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  the difference between Shaw and Bellows to me was that Shaw
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  understood who he was talking to.
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  And I'm not talking about me. I'm talking about everybody else
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  listening. Like, he understood that, like,
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  doing the whole Trump thing was perhaps like, not exactly a
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  winning message to the people that, like, listen.
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  To the show. And I mean, and I mean that not
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  just for the Republicans listening, I mean like the the
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  Democrats that listen to this show.
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  And the independence which? Is a fairly sizable, you know,
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  number. They're just not the the sort of
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  activist minded like hardcore progressive elements.
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  It just isn't so he understood that and he talked like a normal
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  person. She didn't, she was playing like
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  the primary game in a debate or something like that with the
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  with the most hardcore audience watching and it was just
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  incredibly tone deaf and extremely political.
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  And she just always fills me with this vibe, this very weird
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  feeling of it's like almost an ick factor.
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  Like I can't see her being a successful general election
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  candidate for the Democrats even in a good Democratic year
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  because of like almost the personality default.
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  I'll say now what I said when I was the first one to sound the
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  alarm about her running for Secretary of State, which is
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  underestimate Shanna bellows at your own peril.
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  Because she's very smart, she's very clever, and she's very
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  ambitious. I do think it's very funny
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  'cause she's forever talked with kind of this like valley girl
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  affectation and she's dropped it and she's picked up this like
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  fisherman affectation that she's using out on the campaign trail,
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  which I find very funny. And she grew up in Maine.
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  She grew up in rural Maine. And I'm sure it comes naturally
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  to her to do, but she started doing it.
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  She dropped it with you, though, which when she spoke to you, all
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  of a sudden she went very like middle USA proper.
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  And I thought it was very funny. So that she's a bit of a
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  chameleon in a dangerous way. But she is, I think, very
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  politically savvy. So I think you underestimate
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  Shanna Bellows at your own peril.
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  I think she's, if I had to handicap the race, I think Shaw
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  probably comes out on front. And I think I've, I've said that
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  the whole time based on name ID, based on popularity, not
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  popularity with our audience. And when I said I was having
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  everyone on, I invited listeners to text.
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  I know your text line is active because I sometimes see it.
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  People text about Shaw like they have a lot of questions for him
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  and our audience in particular remembers the things he got
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  wrong. But there are a lot of low
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  information people out there who saw him on their TV every day.
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  They, they feel like they have a personal relationship
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  relationship with him. They know him.
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  And so that set him out in the front.
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  So I think he's probably in the front runner position.
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  I don't think he's at 50%. So it will go to run off.
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  And I think Shanna might be in #2 I think she honestly is kind
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  of, and she's, I think been going hard.
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  I think the reason why you get the sense that she's going so
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  hard progressive is because she saw Troy Jackson as a threat and
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  she needed to kind of box him out.
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  As you notice, Graham Platner's been spending some time with
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  Shanna Bellows. I know Bernie, Bernie's coming
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  to town again with with Troy and Graham, but Graham and the main
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  People's Alliance are hanging out with Shana.
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  So I think she's been kind of shoring up that kind of far left
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  part. And I think that's her pathway
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  to get in. And then the never Trump stuff
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  like is OK, well, if you, if you can't go as impressed with me,
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  just like, you know, I hate Trump.
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  And Angus King, the third was of, of the interviews that I
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  did, obviously the most interesting one because he
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  talked like an actual human being, which is actually pretty
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  much my standard. He's like, if you're actually a
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  human being, but he has absolutely no chance.
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  No, I mean, he's going to come in 5th, right?
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  Well, it's funny. Garrett Mason was on.
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  He's like, did you hear Angus King talking about report cards
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  and grading for the schools? Do you remember we did that as
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  Republicans and the Democrats, like, crucified us for it.
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  He's like, you can't do it. So he's bringing up these really
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  decent ideas about accountability and investment,
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  he said in the debate last night.
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  I'm not going to make any promises about things that I
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  will spend or things that I will cut because I don't want to make
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  any promises before you get there and then you're held to
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  it. And I don't want to let people
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  down. My commitments actually mean
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  something. It's refreshing.
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  It's great. He talked about being a Bill
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  Clinton Democrat and I interrupted him.
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  I said, Angus, like Bill Clinton, like that brand of
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  Democrats, they don't exist anymore.
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  What's going on in Augusta? I don't think people people
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  haven't seen the change that's happened.
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  I mean, just look at the Portland City Council.
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  I think some of them still technically call themselves
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  Democrats, but it's it's not Bill Clinton's Democrat party.
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  It's very, it's more Grand Plattner's Democrat party and
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  more and more so every day. So, yeah, Angus King, I think
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  doesn't have much of a chance. Let's turn to the Republicans on
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  that side. Bobby Charles has been the front
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  runner the whole time. I have him on tomorrow again
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  inside Maine, 12:50 tomorrow here on WGAN.
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  He's in, I think, the front runner position.
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  Do you think, you know, he skipped the debates?
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  Do you think that hurt him at all?
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  Yeah, I do actually think it hurt him.
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  I mean, the fact that he did go to some of them does help him
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  mitigate the damage from him. Miss skipping.
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  I mean, doing the chamber debate this week, right?
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  If you saw Bobby Charles skips, Bobby Charles skips and then you
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  see him on stage, you know, that's I guess he's not skipping
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  everything. Because he's fine at debating
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  like he's, that's what. I don't understand about. 18
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  point plan, you know. When he skips these things like
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  it's a bad PR move, right? I mean, it just looks bad.
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  It looks like you're ducking it, but he's fine when he goes.
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  So I don't understand why you would do that.
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  I mean outside, I mean, I think that in my opinion, he's getting
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  some bad political advice saying like, well, there's only risk in
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  a debate and you can only screw yourself up if you go, so you
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  should limit the damage. And you know that kind of
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  they're. Not wrong, but it's a bad look,
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  like it's a bad look and I think it's disrespectful to the voter
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  and so it's. Technically speaking, it's it's
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  right because of course something gets screwed up and.
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  You well, they would have all attacked him, right?
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  They would have all. They would have all.
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  Been trying to but they did that on the chamber and he was fine.
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  I mean, you, if you're that allergic to risk, then I'm not
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  sure I want you to be. I mean, like you got to be able
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  to get out there and speak and yeah, maybe sometimes risk
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  things so that you can prove your metal as a leader in my
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  opinion. And so I think it was, it was it
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  was something that matter to me now.
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  Is it enough to write him off? No.
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  But I mean, it's it's just more information.
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  It's more information I grew. Up in the school of Paul Le Page
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  and that guy, like he went out there to speak way more than I
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  wanted him to, but I agree. Yeah, he went.
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  The other he felt. He felt that was his job.
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  He was the sitting governor and he said it's my job to tell
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  people what I think and for them to tell me what they think.
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  And I'm going to go do it and they're going to report however
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  they're going to. He had No Fear.
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  And like, I think that is something that I deeply respect.
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  I get that you have to win an election.
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  So they'll make political calculations.
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  I also agree that it was. It's a bit of a mistake for a
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  slightly different reason too. I think.
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  Anyone who supports Bobby Charles, they didn't stop
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  supporting him because he skipped the debate, so I don't
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  think that was a problem. He missed the chance to
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  introduce himself to some people that hadn't encountered him yet,
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  and maybe that's a smaller group than however many followers he
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  has on Facebook or Twitter, but I think he missed the
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  opportunity to introduce himself.
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  I think you're 100% right about that because at this stage, you
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  know you're talking about 3 weeks away at this point.
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  So these debates that are happening now in this last two
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  week window, here are the ones that people who are kind of
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  trying to make their mind up a little bit or watch.
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  Starting to pay attention? Because, and there's a lot of
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  they're not. Psychopath like candidates who
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  like only think about this stuff.
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  Yeah, there's 7 candidates and and those 7 candidates are not
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  well known. I mean, Garrett Mason is kind
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  of, but not not really. I mean all the other ones are
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  kind of newcomers. I mean, you got a Bush in there.
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  So you know the name Bush, but you don't know Jonathan Bush.
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  I mean, you got to introduce yourself.
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  So these are your chances. I think Jonathan Bush has done
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  well for himself. I think he's on the rise.
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  I think he's, you know, he's getting more attention.
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  He's getting more well. He's.
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  Clearly in that third, third slot, right to me, I think, I
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  think. It's second I.
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  Think it's Midgley. I mean, I really believe that I.
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  Don't know if it is or not. So here's the one thing I have
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  to say about Midgley. I really like Ben Midgley.
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  I think if I run a hiring committee and he was applying
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  for the position of Ceoi would hire him in a heartbeat.
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  That's not quite what an election is though.
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  And I don't know that he stands out enough.
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  And I've said this to him, I said it to him when I had him on
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  last weekend, but he's going to stand out more.
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  And I'm not sure that people now, some of these commercials
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  are good. I'd love to see him in a T-shirt
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  more, you know, like how he really is, rather than in a
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  three piece suit which feels like he's projecting too much.
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  Trying to personally bring back the vest.
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  Yeah, he the three piece, he looks good.
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  He looks good in it. He wears it well.
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  But it's like I like the like the fitness CEO startup, like I
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  love that image. And I think that's kind of a
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  very Trump goes on the podcast, that style thing to do Joe Rogan
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  audience both on the left and the right.
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  Ben actually, though, here's my my only concern about thinking
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  that he's in the number two slot is you and I know a lot of
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  insiders and the insiders all know him and have spent time
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  around him and have gotten more exposure.
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  I'm not sure that Joe normal Joe every day has had that same
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  level of exposure. So I think that when people get
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  to know Ben Midgley, they like him.
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  I think he needs to do even more to make that.
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  So I'm not sure if he's in second.
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  I would say that it's hard. I think it's maybe him, maybe
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  Bush. Yeah, but I think they're both,
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  I think they've both been, as people get more exposure to
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  Jonathan Bush because he's got energy, he's got ideas, he's got
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  personality and I think. And I think he's different than
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  people expected him to be, which is the biggest thing to me.
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  Like when you hear Bush, you would expect it to be either as
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  you know, George HW, some sort of aristocratic kind of, you
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  know, but out of touch, controlled, out of touch
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  establishment guy or maybe George W or something.
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  But like establishment this is this is like a total wild card
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  of a guy. And I think that's interesting
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  to people. He just is.
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  He's got the energy and then I think Garrett's in the mix
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  somewhere, but I Garrett Mason's campaign has really confused me
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  because I know Garrett very well.
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  Oh, here's the other one I had on this weekend.
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  Great interview. We had a really good
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  conversation. You can check it out wgn.com
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  under podcast inside main. You'll see all the interviews.
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  Garrett, I think his campaign last time he ran for governor
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  was very grass roots, had a lot of volunteers, great ground
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  game. This time he has a political
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  action committee backing him and paying for all of his
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  commercials and that's kind of all you got.
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  So he's taking a very different approach and maybe that'll work,
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  but there's something missing in the campaign make up to me.
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  Well, my, my thought on, on Garrett has been that I, I'm not
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  sure that the messaging has been, has been the right kind of
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  messaging for the year that you're in.
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  I mean, if I like, I get why he's making the, I have
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  experience. I've been there, I've done it
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  argument because it's something in his resume and it's useful.
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  And I actually agree that it's, you know, a good thing to know
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  that you have to submit a budget in the first couple weeks and
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  you should probably design it this way and then so on and so
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  forth. Problem is, though, that I don't
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  think that any voter on either side of the aisle right now
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  loves hearing. I've been around a long time and
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  I have experienced in government like they want outsiders, fresh
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  faces. That's the whole grand platter
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  thing, right? And this is exactly what I'm
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  saying about the difference between Ben Midgley, like, you
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  know, being great at being governor is good.
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  And I think Garrett's right about that argument.
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  I'm someone who makes that argument quite a bit.
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  But you also have to be good at campaigning and talking to the
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  issues people care about. Garrett kind of sometimes seems
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  like he's like interviewing to be chief of staff, not
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  interviewing to be like the chief executive.
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  And so I think that's really interesting.
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  So I think it'll be interesting to see how it how it plays out.
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  But I do think people are starting to vote and this is the
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  time where it actually matters. It'll be super interesting.
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  And then I have Rick Bennett on tomorrow as well.
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  So Rick Bennett saw that I was having a one else on, asked if
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  you could come by. Sure, we'll have him on.
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  So Rick Bennett will be there. And I think that that'll be
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  interesting and I'll ask Rick. This is the question I have for
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  Rick Bennett. So if he's listening, he can
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  prepare. I was just gonna say to him
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  like, look, if you like one of the candidates that the major
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  parties nominate. Will you drop out?
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  Yeah. Are you going to stay in and
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  kind of maybe spoil it or are you going to stay or will you
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  drop out? And he's of course going to stay
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  in because they all, you know, love themselves and think they'd
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  be better than anyone else and are the one.
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  But I do think it. Do you think that he has legs?
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  I mean, the reason I ask is he ran for Congress in 1994 and
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  lost to ball dodgy. He ran for Senate in 2012 when
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  Olympia bounced and didn't even win that primary.
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  Like he wins his state Senate districts and he's he's shown
• 15:34
  some electability there, but it hasn't really happened for him
• 15:36
  at the big time it. Hasn't yet, however.
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  You know, political wins being what they are, history suggests
• 15:43
  this could be a change year, but who knows?
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  Because of the Trump of it all and the grand platter and the
• 15:47
  Susan Collins eating up all of the ad space, which they will.
• 15:50
  And it'd be hard to get your message through.
• 15:51
  I've always wondered if he does. I think the only way Rick
• 15:54
  Bennett has a path is if the Democrats and Republicans each
• 15:57
  nominate pretty extreme candidates.
• 15:59
  So if you have a Shanna Bellows versus Bobby Charles matchup, a
• 16:03
  Troy Jackson versus Bobby Charles matchup, maybe there's a
• 16:05
  path for Rick Bennett. But if either of them, if you
• 16:08
  have Doctor Shaw in the race, people who might have voted for
• 16:10
  Rick Bennett go to Shaw. If you have Ben actually in the
• 16:13
  race, people who might have voted for Rick Bennett go to Ben
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  Midgley. Although you know, the other
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  side's going to make them all the worst version of themselves.
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  So maybe there is maybe in a year where both the left and the
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  right are vilifying each other so much and no one sees Rick
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  Bennett as a threat he could eek through.
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  But I think it's tough. I think, I mean, that's the
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  reason Angus King the third is running as a Democrat.
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  His dad told him, if you know, I did it back in the day where you
• 16:32
  actually had enough resources and money, you could do it.
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  But if you want to win now, you have to have the resources of a
• 16:37
  party behind you. I mean, I don't know that he
• 16:38
  told him that, but I know that he's told Sean Moody and others
• 16:40
  that in the past. And so I have to imagine that
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  it's really hard for an independent to win.
• 16:45
  Yeah. No, it is.
• 16:45
  I mean, it is. But yeah, I think to the point
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  you're making, if you are trying to judge the mood of the people
• 16:51
  who vote this year nationwide, I mean, they clearly are not
• 16:55
  feeling all that much love for the Republicans right now,
• 16:57
  right? They're not showing any real
• 16:59
  love for the Democrats either, though.
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  I mean, like when you do polling on popularity of parties and
• 17:03
  stuff like that, the Democrats are lower than the Republicans,
• 17:05
  which is amazing to think about. So you have a kind of pox on all
• 17:09
  your houses kind of attitude. Like screw you all.
• 17:11
  But that's why you have Janet Mills and the governor of
• 17:14
  Minnesota dropping out of their races, right?
• 17:16
  Like they can't the the establishment Democrats have
• 17:18
  been there are failing and the populist sentiment is really
• 17:20
  against the establishment. I will say in the like minute
• 17:23
  that we have left Graham Plattner, I think you got a
• 17:26
  caller earlier this morning that said, do normie Democrats rats
• 17:29
  like what do they say about Graham Plattner?
• 17:31
  They don't care. They can't stand Susan Collins.
• 17:34
  They think it shouldn't be a Republican.
• 17:35
  They think she's an enabler of Trump.
• 17:37
  They've drunk the kool-aid. They're really deep in that.
• 17:40
  They don't care. They'll take Graham Plattner.
• 17:42
  They don't think he has that much influence when he gets
• 17:43
  there anyway, other than that he won't, you know, he'll say
• 17:46
  enough right things that they agree with and that they'll
• 17:49
  overlook the the dangers of the socialism.
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  And I got to say to the Republicans that are listening
• 17:53
  to like, I would probably stop repeating Nazi tattoo.
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  Like, it's an important thing. It matters, obviously, but it's
• 17:59
  literally what every single person says every single time
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  they bring up his name. And at this point, everyone in
• 18:04
  certainly the Democratic Party has decided that they don't
• 18:07
  care. So you're just wasting space and
• 18:09
  making yourself himself sound repetitive and stale at this
• 18:12
  point by saying great platter. I mean, he's got a Nazi tattoo.
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  Like, yeah, I know. Like, we all know that at this
• 18:17
  point. But they have given up caring.
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  I think they should keep saying it.
• 18:20
  I think they should keep saying it.
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  I think he should never let him off the hook for it.
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  But no, he's he's, he's, yeah, he is who he is.
• 18:27
  I think he is very tapped in, very tapped in in a way that
• 18:31
  Mamdani and AOC were as well. And those movements have a lot
• 18:35
  of power. And again, just like I said with
• 18:37
  Jenna Bellows, you underestimate Graham Plattner at your own
• 18:40
  peril. I think Susan Collins has a
• 18:42
  strong shot to keep her seat and to beat him.
• 18:45
  But she has to step up her game. And I've, I've reached out to
• 18:47
  the campaign to that as well. She's going to be scrappy.
• 18:49
  She's going to do it a little bit different than she's done it
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  in the past. Tomorrow inside Main 12:50.
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  Make sure you listen up to Aaron Chad Warren who just visited us
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  today. Thank you very much for pinching
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  for Greg.