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The Bolt Report | 11 March · The Bolt Report

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  Speaker 1: Jus the God report it.
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  Speaker 2: Tonight the most extraordinary thing. I'm going to defend Malcolm
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  Speaker 2: Turnbull again. Why is he being attacked for criticizing Donald
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  Speaker 2: Trump when we attack Anthony Albanezi for not criticizing Chinese dictator?
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  Speaker 2: Have conservatives forgotten what we stand for? Also tonight this
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  Speaker 2: something strange about the X Spiky Boss now charged over
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  Speaker 2: too of the attacks we were told they had nothing
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  Speaker 2: to do with due hatred or Muslims and Home Affairs Minster.
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  Speaker 2: Tony Burke his attack on Peter Dutton over the fake
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  Speaker 2: caravan terror plot. It backfires. Donald Trump cuts funding to
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  Speaker 2: South Africa over his treatment of white farmers, victims of
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  Speaker 2: murder and now government law to take over their farms.
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  Speaker 2: I'll cross the Pretoria to find what the Africanas are
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  Speaker 2: really facing. But first tonight I want to show you
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  Speaker 2: a series of clips, very short, that you will see
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  Speaker 2: nowhere else on the media. It's of eighteen Australian university academics,
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  Speaker 2: including very senior academics, all identifying as Aboriginal and not
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  Speaker 2: just Bruce Pascoe. And when you see these clips, I
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  Speaker 2: suspect you will also see. Why I'm showing them is
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  Speaker 2: to ask a very important question that again is not
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  Speaker 2: asked almost anywhere else in the rest of the media
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  Speaker 2: outside of my newspaper columns in here on Sky News,
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  Speaker 2: certainly not us on the ABC. It's too dangerous. You'll
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  Speaker 2: be called a racist, maybe sued. But enough is enough
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  Speaker 2: This identity politics, this race politics. So many universities are
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  Speaker 2: preaching what I consider a new kind of racism, preaching
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  Speaker 2: that you're defined by your race, or made special by
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  Speaker 2: your race, particularly Aboriginal, or given a job or prizes
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  Speaker 2: primarily on the grounds of your race, as if having say,
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  Speaker 2: even one Aboriginal great great gram parent somehow makes you
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  Speaker 2: very different from all other Australians. I won't go on
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  Speaker 2: about this, I would just like you to think about that,
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  Speaker 2: are these academics really so different racially from the rest
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  Speaker 2: of us? Did they actually choose to identify as Aboriginal
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  Speaker 2: from the various options some may have had given their genealogy?
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  Speaker 2: And why does there race even matter to us or
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  Speaker 2: our universities? And personally, I think their obsession with race
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  Speaker 2: is divisive and demeaning and should now end. I'm going
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  Speaker 2: to divide my list of academics in two the first
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  Speaker 2: seven I'll show you are all academics who identify as Aboriginal,
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  Speaker 2: even though professional genealogists with the Darkmuexposed dot org website
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  Speaker 2: have found not one of their ancestors and official records
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  Speaker 2: are Aboriginal. Not one may be a mistake, of course,
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  Speaker 2: but none of the seven have explained where that mistake is,
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  Speaker 2: despite being asked by those genealogists or by me, Well,
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  Speaker 2: but both here are these first seven Australian academics. You
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  Speaker 2: say they were Aboriginal, which makes me ask why. And
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  Speaker 2: I said to the guy who said, oh, yeah, I'm Aboriginal.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's fine.
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  Speaker 2: My mum and my nn have told us. And he
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  Speaker 2: told me, well, no, you can't tick that box, he says,
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  Speaker 2: because you're not. You know, you're too.
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  Speaker 4: Wi This Aboriginal in the denial of what to be recognized.
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  Speaker 5: On our own land. The real world is not a
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  Speaker 5: safe place for Indigenous people. Aboriginal Australians not only invented bread,
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  Speaker 5: they also invented society.
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  Speaker 6: But I want to welcome you by singing a song
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  Speaker 6: that Pamelway wrote next slide, so that you can sing
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  Speaker 6: this song of welcome where you go.
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  Speaker 2: I'm just gonna my clapsticks.
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  Speaker 5: Ma, I'm gonna wear in border.
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  Speaker 7: I'm from the Gamarago and as I've said, the Gamaragal
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  Speaker 7: are the people from this country and this is our
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  Speaker 7: traditional lands.
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  Speaker 5: I'm narragu I'm from the snowy mountains in southeastern Australia.
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  Speaker 2: That's my mob. The next eleven academics i'll show you
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  Speaker 2: also identify as Aboriginal. They include deputy vice chancellors and
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  Speaker 2: pro vice chancellor of the universities, very senior positions and
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  Speaker 2: ones in these cases generally reserved for Aborigines. Now I'm
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  Speaker 2: not saying that these eleven have no Aboriginal ancestors. I'm
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  Speaker 2: not saying that at all. So I'm I'm absolutely certain
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  Speaker 2: to I mean Mark Rose, for instance. What I am
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  Speaker 2: saying the only thing I'm saying is that, given their
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  Speaker 2: other obviously non aboriginal ancestry as well, and given their success,
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  Speaker 2: why did they academics also stress their aboriginality as relevant?
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  Speaker 2: Why do they need some of them aboriginal positions in
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  Speaker 2: two cases aboriginal prizes of what real relevance is it
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  Speaker 2: to our universities that some of the ancestors of these
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  Speaker 2: academics were Aboriginal? Monash University has made clear its commitment.
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  Speaker 1: To celebrating Indigenous knowledges and perspectives in all that we do.
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  Speaker 5: The Trope Indigenous Strategic Plan was developed through community consultation.
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  Speaker 5: Taking the time to stop and listen is probably the
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  Speaker 5: first and most important step.
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  Speaker 8: I think the most exciting you know about this is
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  Speaker 8: working with my community and at the end of the day,
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  Speaker 8: being able to help my community.
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  Speaker 1: You need to be able to go to those communities.
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  Speaker 1: So then say, what do you know?
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  Speaker 2: I have an Aborginal mother and a non Indigenous father.
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  Speaker 7: My name is Mark Rose, pro Vice Chancellor of Indigenous
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  Speaker 7: Strategy and Innovation at Deacon University.
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  Speaker 3: I'm very proud of the versity is taking very seriously
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  Speaker 3: its part in that healing process.
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  Speaker 4: All ashtash To Islander art and culture is connected to place,
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  Speaker 4: and so of course all apshtash Islander culture practices go
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  Speaker 4: and be impacted by kind of change.
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  Speaker 6: And I'm a proud bunch of Lung and Yemen woman.
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  Speaker 1: We're a really broad ranging academic unit. We cover all
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  Speaker 1: sorts of issues for the university and.
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  Speaker 2: Very prior judge our wrong men. You've seen those academics.
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  Speaker 2: I suspect some of you may conclude identity politics and
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  Speaker 2: the universities has gone way out of hand, stretches your
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  Speaker 2: credulity and your taxes are financing in this. And what's more,
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  Speaker 2: what you've seen may actually explain what to meny might see.
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  Speaker 2: Mystery why so many academics have their careers in some
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  Speaker 2: way invested in being Aboriginal and being supposedly different on
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  Speaker 2: the basis of race. Is that actually surprising that preach
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  Speaker 2: difference then preach resentment, preach that Australia is racist when
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  Speaker 2: so many have that link race, career prizes, whatever. Because
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  Speaker 2: the answer is I think that without that supposed difference
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  Speaker 2: and that grievance, where would they and their jobs be?
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  Speaker 3: Now?
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  Speaker 2: I could show you other propertied Australians, writers, politicians, as
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  Speaker 2: state attorney general even all also claiming to be Aboriginal.
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  Speaker 2: But in these cases just there without any Aboriginal ancestors
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  Speaker 2: I can find in their genealogy. Are they really so
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  Speaker 2: different to other Australians? Isn't a time that we said
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  Speaker 2: race no longer matters? Like I said, unprecedented. I am
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  Speaker 2: going to defend Malcolm Tell for a second time after
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  Speaker 2: is badgered twice by the ABC last night and this morning,
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  Speaker 2: Boy did he explode. And I'll show you that in
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  Speaker 2: his second marvelous entertainment. But I also want to remind
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  Speaker 2: the Australian conservatives who are treating on Trump almost as
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  Speaker 2: a god infallible, do not question a single thing he does.
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  Speaker 2: That Trump campaigned to make America great again, and we
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  Speaker 2: should be for making Australia great again. Australia, which is
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  Speaker 2: a sort of different task. So I've reacted badly to
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  Speaker 2: the Turnbull critics and ow slamming our former Prime minister
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  Speaker 2: is saying he should just shut up. He should never
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  Speaker 2: have told the American TV this week that Trump's tarif
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  Speaker 2: was a disaster, that Trump uling allies would just helped China.
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  Speaker 2: As I told you last night. Trump didn't take that
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  Speaker 2: very well at all, called Turnbull the week leader. And
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  Speaker 2: now Turnbull is being accused of costing us our last
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  Speaker 2: chance of persuading Trump to excuse Australia from the tariffs
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  Speaker 2: is imposing on imports on steel and aluminium. Two ABC
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  Speaker 2: presenters even asked Turnbull it would have been better for
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  Speaker 2: Australia just kept his mouth shut and not offended Donald Trump. Well,
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  Speaker 2: Turnbull went off.
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  Speaker 7: Are we just going to become, you know, just a
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  Speaker 7: conger line of sicophants creeping through the White House. I
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  Speaker 7: never thought I'd have to defend free speech here on
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  Speaker 7: the seven point thirty Report.
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  Speaker 2: Now, when turnbulls asked that same question again on another
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  Speaker 2: ABC show this morning, should he have shut up? He
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  Speaker 2: hit the roof?
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  Speaker 9: Are you suggesting that we should engage in self censorship
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  Speaker 9: in Australia for fear of offending the huge ego of
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  Speaker 9: Donald Trump? Is that really the state that we've got
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  Speaker 9: to is the ABC becomes so pusilanimous that you're seriously
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  Speaker 9: suggesting that we shouldn't be free to speak the truth
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  Speaker 9: in Australia for fear of Donald Trump? Is that the
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  Speaker 9: depths you've sunk to.
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  Speaker 2: And his right Turnbul is a former Prime minister speaking
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  Speaker 2: only for himself. He's not the current Prime Minister or
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  Speaker 2: our hopeless Washington ambassador speaking for the country. If he
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  Speaker 2: really you know, as a people, I don't get it.
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  Speaker 2: Are people really expecting him to shut up, to censor
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  Speaker 2: himself because the American president is supposedly such a sensitive
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  Speaker 2: sook that he'd punished all Australians simply because Malcolm Turble
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  Speaker 2: criticized him, and we want next. You know, commentators like
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  Speaker 2: me should also shut up about Trump, not risk making
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  Speaker 2: him cross. I mean, conservatives have been outraged because the
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  Speaker 2: Albanizy governors shut up about for fear of offending China.
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  Speaker 2: Now we think that it's just speak frankly to China.
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  Speaker 2: Wouldn't it be mad if we now said, well, we
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  Speaker 2: shouldn't speak frankly to Trump? Is that really our country?
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  Speaker 2: Is that really America? I mean, you got to ask,
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  Speaker 2: does America now really have a president who makes decisions
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  Speaker 2: for the nation on the basis of who insulted him
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  Speaker 2: and who flattered him? That is frightening, not beyond the
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  Speaker 2: realms of possibility now, But you know that's how weasels
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  Speaker 2: and panderas and liars rise to the top, and how
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  Speaker 2: the honors sink in the country with them. Now, as
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  Speaker 2: it happens, turnbul as a point, Trump's theophore is not
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  Speaker 2: going well. Canada, for one, once a great American ally
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  Speaker 2: has hit back, now publishing Americans in Michigan, Minnesota, and
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  Speaker 2: New York with a twenty five percent hi of the
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  Speaker 2: price of the Canadian electricity they import, with a warning
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  Speaker 2: that get none at all. If Trump arcd up, if
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  Speaker 2: the United States ask leads, I will not hesitate to
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  Speaker 2: shut the electricity off. Completly sounds good, but I've got
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  Speaker 2: to be frank with you. Americans don't actually use that
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  Speaker 2: much Canadian electricity. But even Trump seems worried that it's
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  Speaker 2: tariff wall will actually send prices high for Americans as
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  Speaker 2: other countries like Canada hit back. He wouldn't yesterday even
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  Speaker 2: rule out a recession. I hate to predict things like that.
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  Speaker 2: There is a period of transition because what we're doing
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  Speaker 2: is very big.
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  Speaker 7: Now.
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  Speaker 2: With that yesterday, with weak JOL numbers this week, with
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  Speaker 2: higher inflation last month, stock markets in the US suddenly
• 12:34
  Speaker 2: fell sharply yesterday, standards poor nearly three percent, although from
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  Speaker 2: a very high base. Really the hardest hit. Interesting enough,
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  Speaker 2: Trump's megaphone is waistcutter. Elon Musk, owner of X shares
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  Speaker 2: in his Tesla company, dropped fifteen percent in one day
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  Speaker 2: and even now lost half their value from their peak,
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  Speaker 2: with sales tanking, cheaper Chinese electric cars coming on the market,
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  Speaker 2: and left wing bars. Now, I wanted to to stop
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  Speaker 2: putting money in musks pockets, and no one can tell
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  Speaker 2: that it can inform Donald Trump can shout to Donald Trump, Hey, listen,
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  Speaker 2: you're making a mistake. Pull back. You can't be serious.
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  Speaker 2: Surely joining me is my regular Tuesday commentator Mark Matt
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  Speaker 2: Canavan and a National Center and former Resources miss that
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  Speaker 2: Matt Canavan. Great to see you, and I think we
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  Speaker 2: might be at loggerheads here. Is it really true that
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  Speaker 2: Malcolm Turnbull should not offend Donald Trump because Trump and
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  Speaker 2: then might make every Australian suffer out of sheer spite.
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  Speaker 1: Well, well, Andrew, you make some good points, although number one,
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  Speaker 1: I've said and I don't think that somehow Malcolm's intervention
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  Speaker 1: this week is going to make a big difference to
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  Speaker 1: what Donald Trump and the Trump administration decide. I think
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  Speaker 1: this the reactions a little bit over blowing. But number two,
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  Speaker 1: I would just take some issue here or add to
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  Speaker 1: your point to say, what about the timing of this?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it's one thing to state your disagreements and
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  Speaker 1: point out the obvious that Trump's trade war here is
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  Speaker 1: not good for his allies and not good for the world,
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  Speaker 1: but is at the right time to be doing so
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  Speaker 1: so forcefully just days before the decision, And maybe, just maybe, Andrew,
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  Speaker 1: Malcolm's timing is actually there to help Anthony Albanezi.
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  Speaker 8: I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I'm just.
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  Speaker 1: Thinking here that sometimes Malcolm's interventions are timed very well
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  Speaker 1: to make it difficult for the side of politics that
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  Speaker 1: ironically he used to lead. I still think here the
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  Speaker 1: focus needs to be on the government and what they're
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  Speaker 1: doing or not doing in this case to help Austrai's cause.
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  Speaker 1: We should be talking about the fact that four months
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  Speaker 1: after the election, our Prime minister has not bothered to
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  Speaker 1: go to Washington, DC or mar Lago and meet with
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  Speaker 1: the new president or president elect before the inauguration. Almost
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  Speaker 1: every other world leader of friendly nations has on to
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  Speaker 1: do that. Why hasn't our Prime minister done it? Because
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  Speaker 1: that would clearly be an Australian interest, not just to
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  Speaker 1: push the case here to defend a steel in the
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  Speaker 1: oliminium Australian jobs, but also on a whole raft of
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  Speaker 1: broader issues where we need to have a strong cooperative
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  Speaker 1: and working relationship with the United States.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I know that you said you doubt that Turnbull's
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  Speaker 2: intervention would change Trump's mind one way or the others,
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  Speaker 2: So in that case, why can't he speak? But if
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  Speaker 2: it's about timing or whatever does that mean? Then that
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  Speaker 2: Anthony Albanezi was perfectly within his rights not to mention
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  Speaker 2: to Jijinping, the Chinese dictator, to his face at an
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  Speaker 2: international forum meeting, that by the way, your navy is
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  Speaker 2: just in dangered the health and safety and even lives
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  Speaker 2: of Australian divers in the water by sounding an underwater sonar.
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  Speaker 2: Now remember conservatives like me up and down saying goodness, gracious,
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  Speaker 2: what a week a failure, what cowardice by Alban Easy,
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  Speaker 2: And yet we're supposed to endorse the censoring of Turnbul
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  Speaker 2: in this case to an American president.
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  Speaker 1: Well, Andrew, to be clear, I'm not saying I'm not
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  Speaker 1: trying to cancel Malcolm Turnbull. I do question though the
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  Speaker 1: wisdom of some of the rhetoric just before a decision
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  Speaker 1: we made will affect thousands of austrange jobs. That he
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  Speaker 1: raised these issues. It's also the manner hang on the
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  Speaker 1: mat which raise the point remains.
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  Speaker 2: Let me let me just clarify the point that Alban
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  Speaker 2: Easy would have argued that it was safer better not
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  Speaker 2: to criticize China to the president's face and announce that
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  Speaker 2: China's navy had had endangered our sailors. After the meeting,
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  Speaker 2: same argument.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I'm I'm not saying Malcolm or anyone else shouldn't
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  Speaker 1: criticize Donald Trump. I just did before saying I don't
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  Speaker 1: agree with this decision the President's made. I'm not saying
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  Speaker 1: that at all. What I am saying is that I
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  Speaker 1: don't think it's particularly wise before a decision that will
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  Speaker 1: affect thousands of Australian jobs to effectively call the US
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  Speaker 1: president bully. And that's what Malcolm did, and he said
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  Speaker 1: that many times on a new thing. He said, but
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  Speaker 1: you know, it's just not very wise. And I don't
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  Speaker 1: understand the practicality of Malcolm's perceived wisdom. I mean, the
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  Speaker 1: issue here, we've got to get down into the details.
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  Speaker 1: We should be looking at how we can convince the
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  Speaker 1: Americans at this time any concession, any exemption for aluminium
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  Speaker 1: steel would be adhered to, that wouldn't be an increase
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  Speaker 1: in Australian exports like there was under Malcolm's watch that happened,
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  Speaker 1: and it was under my watch unfortunately, had a voluntary
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  Speaker 1: agreement then with the industry and they didn't adhere to it.
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  Speaker 1: So there must be other ways we could deal with that,
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  Speaker 1: And I'd much rather see us spend our time trying
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  Speaker 1: to protect Australian jobs then get into a slanging match
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  Speaker 1: with the American president who's going to decide whether those
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  Speaker 1: jobs are put at risk.
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  Speaker 2: And on the next few days, well, then if Malcolm
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  Speaker 2: Turnbull can't, if Malcolm Turnbull can't speak up for fear
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  Speaker 2: of offending a thin skin president, I wonder how many
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  Speaker 2: of the rest of us must now hold their tongue
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  Speaker 2: for fear of offending Trump. You know, newspaper colonists, sky news presenters,
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  Speaker 2: other politicians.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's different from everyone else, as a former prime minister,
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  Speaker 1: as somebody who has dealt directly with a president. There's
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  Speaker 1: a clear difference, a clear difference.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so you're to be a ghost.
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  Speaker 1: Wasn't it going to be a ghost?
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  Speaker 10: What happened to that?
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  Speaker 2: Well, listen, if you want to go in a in
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  Speaker 2: a session of criticizing Malcolm Turnbull, I can go on
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  Speaker 2: longer than you can I reckon on that topic on
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  Speaker 2: this particular point. But listen, Matt. Something else that really
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  Speaker 2: outraged me when I read about it again this morning.
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  Speaker 2: One of the most disgusting examples of the way that
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  Speaker 2: global warming politicians are killing our economy is the fact
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  Speaker 2: that we now have It's it's just I find them
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  Speaker 2: in the lala land even talking about this. We have
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  Speaker 2: actually had to build a new import terminal for shipments
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  Speaker 2: from overseas of gas supplies. It's in Port Kembler. It's
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  Speaker 2: to bring in gas from overseas or maybe even now
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: and then from Western Australia because we don't have enough
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  Speaker 2: gas for ourselves and our top gas pipeline companies, says.
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  Speaker 2: Victoria's plan to actually subsidize these gas imports will just
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  Speaker 2: raise gas prices even more. Matt. What makes me so
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  Speaker 2: cross is that about you know, importing gas specifically for Victoria,
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  Speaker 2: is that we have oceans of gas, but that labor
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  Speaker 2: government in Victoria is so global warming crazy. It extended
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  Speaker 2: a ban on gas exploration for nearly a decade. The
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  Speaker 2: Energy minister is so mad on this stuff, and that
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  Speaker 2: we now have to haire ships to bring in gas
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  Speaker 2: from other countries. What do you make of this?
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  Speaker 1: Well, you're absolutely right here, Andrew totally agree. And not
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: only has Victoria band fracking, they put it in their constitution.
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  Speaker 1: So I think Victoria's constitution now reads habeas corpus, equality
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  Speaker 1: before the law and no fracking. I mean, it's hardly
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  Speaker 1: worthy of a constitutional amendment. But that's the level of
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  Speaker 1: craziness that I've been allowed to stand there in Victoria.
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  Speaker 1: And we keep in mind here we're inputing gas not
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  Speaker 1: for Australia, but for New South Wales Victoria. There is
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  Speaker 1: plenty of gas where I'm sitting here today in Queensland
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  Speaker 1: because they haven't had these stupid statewide bands. But in
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  Speaker 1: New South I was Victoria, especially Victoria, which has been
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  Speaker 1: traditionally the heritage, the history of our strong manufacturing industry.
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: It's down there because it was close to the brown
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: coal fields of the Trope Valley and the oil and
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: gas fields of the Bastraight. Now both of those one
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: is declining geologically and naturally the bas straight the others
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: being shut down intentionally, we're doing intentional self economic harm
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: to ourselves. And then of course we're not allowing the
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: gas fields to be replaced by new exploration on shore.
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: In Victoria there is plenty. We know there's lots of
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: oil and gas there, but you can't drill for it,
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: you can't frack for it, and that's why we're in
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: this embarrassing situation. And look, so I think get back
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: to what we're saying before, which would be much more
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: focused on this than whatever decision Donald Trump and has
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: meersion makes in the next week or so. These acts,
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: these acts of self economic harm, are so much more
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: damaging to our economy than anything those twists from the
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: US can do.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely, and by the way, Matt also making ourselves once
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: again dependent on other countries for critical supplies through sea
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: lanes that China could cut off overnight. I mean, it's
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: just insane, Matt Canavan, thank you so much in d
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: for your time. But back to Donald Trump. It'd be
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: wrong to say that Donald Trump is already in trouble.
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's true the stock market went down here
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: in Australia too, by the way, but that could just
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: be a correction after it soared after Trump's election. And yes,
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: it's true that he cut off Ukraine at the knees,
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: I think, disgracefully. But then again, the ultimate proof will
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: be in the piece deel he can get from Russia
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: if Russia is in fact interesting now. And it is
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: also true that for the first time in Trump's term,
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: polls this second term at any rate polls show that
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: Trump now has just got more votus to disapprove of
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: him than approve. But it's early days, okay. So joining
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: me is Shawn Spicer, Donald Trump's first White House spokesman.
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: Sewn Spicer, thank you so much for your time. So
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: we've got the stock markets in America falling, although it
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: has to be said that even after the eight and
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: a half percent fall and standard pause over the last
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: three weeks, it's still only down to what it was
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: six months ago. Our sock market's also hammered. We had
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: inflation go up last month, and people tending to get
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: a bit worried about Donald Trump's tariff war and what
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: it's doing to the economy.
• 22:53
  Speaker 10: Well, you know, I don't know about you, Andrew, but
• 22:55
  Speaker 10: when I go on a plane, I always feel reassured.
• 22:58
  Speaker 10: When the pilot tells me that turbulence is coming, I
• 23:02
  Speaker 10: feel like that it kind of is a sign of
• 23:05
  Speaker 10: assurance that they know what they're doing. In the last
• 23:07
  Speaker 10: couple of weeks, Donald Trump has told us that there's
• 23:10
  Speaker 10: going to be turbulence in the economy. He said, as
• 23:12
  Speaker 10: we change this paradigm, start making countries treat us reciprocally
• 23:18
  Speaker 10: with their tariffs, that there's going to be some churn.
• 23:21
  Speaker 10: But at the end of the day, what I think
• 23:24
  Speaker 10: he is showing us is that we're going to bring
• 23:27
  Speaker 10: us manufacturing and jobs back to America. Number one and
• 23:31
  Speaker 10: number two is that we're looking for a more playing,
• 23:34
  Speaker 10: equal playing field. For too long, Americans have just sat
• 23:37
  Speaker 10: back and probably not been fully aware of how difficult
• 23:41
  Speaker 10: it is for whether it's our agricultural products or our
• 23:44
  Speaker 10: automobile sector to fully gain entry into a lot of
• 23:47
  Speaker 10: these other countries. And Trump's willing to fight it out
• 23:50
  Speaker 10: for the American worker.
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: So when you get someone like former premise American Turnbull,
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: I mean, I know you were familiar with the from
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: your time in the White House saying that the Trump
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: the Trump's tariff war is stupid. Donald Trump firing back
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: that Malcolm Turmbull was weak in Australian voters had seen
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: through him. And now Malcolm Turmble being blamed for potentially
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: costing Australia an exemption from the steel and and a
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: millium tariff's about to be put in. What do you
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: make of all that.
• 24:22
  Speaker 10: I don't want to make light of what's going on
• 24:24
  Speaker 10: in Ukraine, but I would have thought that somebody like
• 24:27
  Speaker 10: the prime minister. The former prime minister would have seen
• 24:30
  Speaker 10: how Zelensky acted and said, maybe I'm not in the
• 24:33
  Speaker 10: best place to take a shot at Trump. It doesn't
• 24:36
  Speaker 10: usually turn out well as how I would put it.
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: But should it matter whether a private citizen, even though
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: it was the former prime minister, opens his mouth about
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: Donald Trump? Should that matter in the negotiations? I mean,
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: surely Donald Trump does what's in America's interest is regardless
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: of what a former prime minister says.
• 24:55
  Speaker 10: Oh right, yeah, yeah. When it comes to actually like
• 24:57
  Speaker 10: the aluminum tariffs or something, I don't think that a
• 25:00
  Speaker 10: former prime minister is going to have a huge influence.
• 25:04
  Speaker 10: As you can imagine. You know, this stuff happens all
• 25:06
  Speaker 10: the time in the US as well, when a member
• 25:08
  Speaker 10: of one party says something and the party leaders have
• 25:12
  Speaker 10: to go make it clear that they're not speaking on
• 25:14
  Speaker 10: behalf of that party, or that they're just a one off,
• 25:16
  Speaker 10: gadfly kind of member of Congress. So again, I don't
• 25:20
  Speaker 10: think that, you know, he has the right to speak
• 25:23
  Speaker 10: freely as he wishes, but I would assume that the
• 25:27
  Speaker 10: current Prime minister doesn't find it helpful.
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: Sean. I wonder whether you share my concerns.
• 25:33
  Speaker 10: I know.
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: I'm probably stronger on this, but Donald Trump has said, well,
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: Ukraine's got no cards, and so it's got to accept
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: a piece deal that he wants to negotiate with Russia.
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: One reason Ukraine doesn't have any cards is that Donald
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: Trump took them away. He's taken away US exports of arms,
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: has taken away US intelligence that would help them protect
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: themselves from Russian missiles and also target Russian attacks. He's
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: taken away the cards has made Ukraine defense. This is
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: now that you've got this negotiation in Saudi Arabia. Does
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: any of that, considering that Ukraine is a free country
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: concern you as someone who is from the land of
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: the Free, a country that has fought for democracy around
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: the world.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah. A couple things on this arew One. I think
• 26:25
  Speaker 10: you and I probably share the same goal, which is
• 26:28
  Speaker 10: an end to the war and end to the killing
• 26:30
  Speaker 10: and end to the destruction. The other problem I have is,
• 26:33
  Speaker 10: with all due respect, the way you frame this right,
• 26:35
  Speaker 10: Ukraine's cards and then you said US intelligence, US arms,
• 26:39
  Speaker 10: those would seem to be our cards that were lending Ukraine,
• 26:42
  Speaker 10: and so we do have a say over their cards.
• 26:45
  Speaker 10: Because it's our intelligence, it's our weaponry, it's our funding.
• 26:49
  Speaker 10: And so at some point Donald Trump has said to
• 26:51
  Speaker 10: Zelenski and others, I want to get to the peace table.
• 26:55
  Speaker 10: I want to get to the negotiating table. And if
• 26:58
  Speaker 10: you're going to use our arms and intelligence, then you
• 27:01
  Speaker 10: have to show a willingness to want to achieve that goal.
• 27:04
  Speaker 10: And it's clear that there's a frustration, and I understand it.
• 27:08
  Speaker 10: I understand where Zelensky's coming from. Frankly, it's his people
• 27:11
  Speaker 10: that have been killed in his country that's been devastated.
• 27:14
  Speaker 10: But right now, the only single person in the entire
• 27:18
  Speaker 10: world that can enact a lasting piece is Donald Trump,
• 27:22
  Speaker 10: and he's trying to make that clear. It's not a
• 27:25
  Speaker 10: pretty situation.
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: I will give you that.
• 27:27
  Speaker 10: It's a difficult thing to negotiate, to get everyone to
• 27:30
  Speaker 10: the table. There is a ton of well deserved hatred
• 27:34
  Speaker 10: from Zelensky towards Putin, and I understand why. But at
• 27:38
  Speaker 10: some point you have to shake somebody and say, I
• 27:40
  Speaker 10: get it.
• 27:41
  Speaker 8: You hate them with every.
• 27:42
  Speaker 10: Fiber of your being for a good reason. They're horrible people,
• 27:47
  Speaker 10: But we need to get to the table to negotiate
• 27:50
  Speaker 10: an end or the killing and the destruction will continue.
• 27:54
  Speaker 10: And as somebody who has the cards us, we have
• 27:58
  Speaker 10: a right to help make that happen.
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  Speaker 2: I get that too, Sean, except what it seems to
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: me is there's a danger between imposing a piece on
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: Ukraine and imposing a surrender.
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  Speaker 10: Let's see where this shakes out. But Andrew, for almost
• 28:15
  Speaker 10: four years, we heard nothing. The Biden administration did zero,
• 28:20
  Speaker 10: absolutely nothing. In fact, they're quite the opposite. They may
• 28:23
  Speaker 10: have shipped them things, but it wasn't the things that
• 28:25
  Speaker 10: they asked for at the time that they wanted them.
• 28:28
  Speaker 10: We wanted the talking point of saying that we were
• 28:30
  Speaker 10: giving them arms and supply how often we didn't give
• 28:33
  Speaker 10: them what they wanted?
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: Absolutely yeah, absolutely correct. Baden gave too little, too late.
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: And as for the Europeans, enough said about how pathetically
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: weak they are, Sean Spicer. As you say, we shall
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: ultimately have to judge by the results rather than the process.
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: I guess. Thank you so much for your time, as always, sir,
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: How did it break? There was something strange about a
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: man charged today over a text that we were told
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: yesterday had nothing to do with due hatred or Muslims.
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: On the other hand, for Trump, fans this you might like.
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: Trump last month cut all aid to South Africa, which
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: is now a basketcase thanks to the corruption crime mismanaged
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: by management by a left wing government. What particularly got
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: Trump there was a new law to expropriate property, sometimes
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: without conversation, to redistribute more land from white farmers in
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: South Africa to black ones. Terrible things are happening in
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: South Africa. The leadership is.
• 29:44
  Speaker 5: Doing some terrible.
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: Things, and there's horrible things. They're taking away land, they're
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: confiscating land, and actually they're doing things that are perhaps
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: far worse than that. Now why it's make up about
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: seven percent of South Africa's population still hold more than
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: seventy percent of the land. African especially of Dutch descent,
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: also called boors, and they have been the target of
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: race hate and threats of murder from the fourth biggest
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: political party in parliament, led by Julius Melima so Uto Umasa.
• 30:16
  Speaker 4: The poor, the.
• 30:20
  Speaker 10: Poor, the.
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: Yes, he really was chanting shoot the board, kill the boar.
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: Hundreds of farmers have indeed been murdered, wives, raped and killed.
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: The atrocities have been absolutely horrific. The crosses for them
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: line this road. Although the government claims the whole country
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: faces terrible rates of murder, and that bits true, and
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: it says white farmers are not in any greater danger.
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: Joining me from Pretorius, Earns Fanzel from AfriForum, it's a
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: lobby group for Afrikana culture, which actually sent a delegation
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: to the White House last month to ask for help.
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: And Trump has said he'll offer farmers expedited immigration to
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: the United States. So thank you so much for your time.
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: What pressures are there on farms, especially Africanas in South Africa?
• 31:11
  Speaker 5: Now, good morning, Andrew and the yes, Well that's the question,
• 31:15
  Speaker 5: and my only response there at the moment would be
• 31:18
  Speaker 5: how much time do you have because there's so many
• 31:20
  Speaker 5: pressures on not just farmers in South Africa, but africaners
• 31:25
  Speaker 5: and other minority groups in particular. Well, firstly, you correct,
• 31:28
  Speaker 5: He pointed to that clip of Julius Malema chanting kill
• 31:32
  Speaker 5: the boa, kill the farmer, with a stadium of tens
• 31:36
  Speaker 5: of thousands of supporters.
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: You have these horrific.
• 31:39
  Speaker 5: Farm murders, often characterized by incredibly brutal levels of torture,
• 31:45
  Speaker 5: often nothing being stolen. This is absolutely not normal crime.
• 31:49
  Speaker 5: That's not holes being drawed through the feet of elderly
• 31:53
  Speaker 5: women on a farm is not normal crime. Anyone that
• 31:55
  Speaker 5: tells you that is psychotic. Then also the threats to
• 31:59
  Speaker 5: private property rights, farmers being called land thieves by prominent
• 32:03
  Speaker 5: politicians and then laws like the Expropriation Act being passed
• 32:07
  Speaker 5: that enable expropriation of their property without compensation or in
• 32:12
  Speaker 5: other words, state sanctioned theft. And then you also have
• 32:15
  Speaker 5: the dehumanization, villainization and scapegoating where every single problem that
• 32:21
  Speaker 5: the government is responsible for are blamed on minorities so
• 32:25
  Speaker 5: that the government can get away scot three from any
• 32:28
  Speaker 5: consequences or having be blamed for the consequences of the
• 32:31
  Speaker 5: extremist policies. I think a story that broke this week
• 32:35
  Speaker 5: will resonate with a lot of your Australian listeners and viewers,
• 32:38
  Speaker 5: and that is the fact that in race mad South Africa,
• 32:42
  Speaker 5: as recently as yesterday, a pro cricket team in South
• 32:45
  Speaker 5: Africa was kicked from a tournament and fined for being
• 32:49
  Speaker 5: too white. That is in a country with over one
• 32:51
  Speaker 5: hundred and forty race laws. And that that's the reality
• 32:54
  Speaker 5: of South Africa. That's the truth that the South African
• 32:57
  Speaker 5: government is trying desperately to hide from the rest of
• 33:00
  Speaker 5: the world. So desperate in fact, that a treason investigation
• 33:04
  Speaker 5: has been opened into that delegation that you mentioned earlier
• 33:08
  Speaker 5: in this program. That delegation from an Africana organization AFRI Forum,
• 33:13
  Speaker 5: critical of the government is now under investigation for treason. Basically,
• 33:17
  Speaker 5: the truth is under attack in South Africa.
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: Oh my goodness. This expropriation law. Now the government says
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: it's going to be compensation. In most cases. Land reform
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: is needed, it said, so white farmers don't have most
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: of the land. A lot of people will think, oh,
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: you know, they'll think back to Aparthheit and all that
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: kind of thing. I'll say, what's wrong with redressing the
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: balance and getting more black farmers on the land?
• 33:48
  Speaker 5: Well, Andrew, it's very simple. You don't correct human rights
• 33:52
  Speaker 5: violations in the past by committing human rights violations in
• 33:56
  Speaker 5: the present. That is not how justice works. African government
• 34:01
  Speaker 5: high ranking officials, as high as the president himself and
• 34:04
  Speaker 5: the deputy presidents have admitted that the goal of the
• 34:07
  Speaker 5: Expropriation Act that they signed is to enable in their words,
• 34:11
  Speaker 5: expropriation of property with art compensation. Now people might say, well,
• 34:16
  Speaker 5: they would never do that. Well, this is the same
• 34:19
  Speaker 5: government that praises Robert mcgabe of Zimbabwe as a hero
• 34:23
  Speaker 5: even till today. That doesn't really ease the tension. That
• 34:28
  Speaker 5: doesn't really give you a lot of reassurances when the
• 34:30
  Speaker 5: anc says, well, we respect private property rights, but at
• 34:33
  Speaker 5: the same time, Robert Mugabe is a hero. Robert Mugabe
• 34:38
  Speaker 5: whose land grabs and the land confiscation policies in Zimbabwe
• 34:43
  Speaker 5: were one of the worst atrocities of the twenty first century.
• 34:47
  Speaker 5: And then also when it comes to particularly land ownership
• 34:51
  Speaker 5: in South Africa, the state is the largest single land owner,
• 34:55
  Speaker 5: owning more than seventeen million hectares of land. What's happened
• 35:00
  Speaker 5: to that land while it's not being redistributed. So the
• 35:03
  Speaker 5: South African government is so obsessed for redistributing land, well,
• 35:09
  Speaker 5: then they can start by redistributing the millions upon millions
• 35:12
  Speaker 5: of hectares of land that they have in their ownership.
• 35:15
  Speaker 5: But they don't. And that gives you all the information
• 35:18
  Speaker 5: that you need to know. But what they will do
• 35:20
  Speaker 5: if they grab even more land using this Expropriation Act,
• 35:24
  Speaker 5: which they said is their intention. Their intention is to
• 35:27
  Speaker 5: expropriate property without compensation, which is state sanctioned theat of land.
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: It's been sale. Thank you so much indeed for your time.
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: What a troubled country. I have to say. When I
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: say troubled, I mean I mean unemployment in South Africa
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: is now over thirty percent. It hasn't even got enough electricity.
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: There's so much corruption in the state electricity sector. National
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: Airline has run so bad it's bankrupt. The government is
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: deep in debt. Something is serious sick with South Africa.
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: After the break, a new poll shows four Teal Independence
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: could lose their seats, including Monique Ryan. I'll talk to
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: the woman who reckons if the Poles are right O. Well, no,
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: she did, thinks the Poles are right and she will
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: beat Ryan and we'll tell you why. An interesting pole
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: from Freshwater says the Teals could be in trouble and
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: as many as four of the seats. These climbed extremes
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: sprun from the Liberals at the last selection. The polses
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: the Teal MP's own votes they're holding up, but not
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: the votes of Labour in the Greens in these seats,
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: and the Teals needed those preferences to beat the Liberals.
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: That's true. The pole has a small sample size, but
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: if it's right, then one of the teal independence in
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: danger of being thrown out is Monique Ryan in the
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: Melbourne seat of Kuong would be beaten by Amelia Hamer,
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: grandniece of former Liberal Premier Sir Rupert Hamer. Amelia Haemer,
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: thank you so much for joining me this poll. Does
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: it sound to you is Monique Rohan in strife?
• 37:06
  Speaker 4: Great to be here, Andrew, Look, all I can say
• 37:08
  Speaker 4: is what I'm seeing and hearing on the ground, and
• 37:10
  Speaker 4: the mood is really one of wanting change. I mean,
• 37:13
  Speaker 4: we've got more signs up on people's fences in Cuyong
• 37:17
  Speaker 4: than any campaign has ever had in the history of
• 37:20
  Speaker 4: the Liberal Party.
• 37:21
  Speaker 10: And what that.
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: Tells you is that there's a.
• 37:23
  Speaker 4: Lot of people out there who are not only Liberal supporters,
• 37:26
  Speaker 4: but they're willing to be loud and proud about that.
• 37:29
  Speaker 4: And I think that's just terrific. So the momentum is
• 37:32
  Speaker 4: really really strong and I'm hoping to continue that. But
• 37:35
  Speaker 4: we can't rest on our laurels. We have to keep
• 37:37
  Speaker 4: working and the only vote that really matters is the
• 37:39
  Speaker 4: one in the box on the day.
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: If your signs are up, I hope you tells Kensey
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: to get her signs up in Flinders, because I'm seeing
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: a lots and lots from the tier there. The Mormon
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: preacher Ben Smith has got his up. Not seeing many liberals.
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: But anyway, what is your argument against the Teals and
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: Ryan personally? Because this pole said, well, their polls, the
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: personal polls are holding up. It's really the labor vote
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: that's sinking. But what's your argument against Manique Ryan.
• 38:14
  Speaker 4: I can speak to what people are saying to me,
• 38:16
  Speaker 4: and what they're saying is they're really disappointed to have
• 38:19
  Speaker 4: a local member that votes seventy seven percent of the
• 38:22
  Speaker 4: time with the Greens. Now, I'll give you a bit
• 38:24
  Speaker 4: of an example of a bit of context of how
• 38:25
  Speaker 4: some of these conversations go. A lady came up to
• 38:28
  Speaker 4: me at a local community event the other day and
• 38:30
  Speaker 4: she said that when before the last election, Manique Ryan
• 38:34
  Speaker 4: had come to this local community group and she'd spoken,
• 38:38
  Speaker 4: and that she'd said to that group that she was
• 38:40
  Speaker 4: a smallerl liberal with a bit of a focus on climate.
• 38:44
  Speaker 4: This lady said to me she was incredibly disappointed to
• 38:47
  Speaker 4: see that Manique Ryan had then voted seventy seven percent
• 38:50
  Speaker 4: of the time with the Greens, because that didn't align
• 38:52
  Speaker 4: with her values and didn't align with what people thought
• 38:54
  Speaker 4: they were getting when they were electing an independent member
• 38:56
  Speaker 4: of Parliament.
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: Well, I just think anyone who's in an alliance with
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: the Greens, it just stinks the way that party's been
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: carrying on. I've always been struck, though, Amelia, by how
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: much crime has suddenly become an issue. Its normally it's
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: a state issue, it's not a federal one, but youth
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: crime in particular now. Just today the Herald Sun reporting
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: that the Victorian Labor government had actually rejected a plan
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: by the Police commissioner sacked a week later, essentially sacked
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: to tackle youth crime by rejecting bail for children who
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: already had bailed three times now. The commissioner told, wow,
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: look sorry, the government hasn't got enough money, hasn't got
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: enough prison beds. The government today denied that was the
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: reason he gave. But chrime has this become an issue,
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: a factor in even nice leafy Cuyoon.
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  Speaker 4: It's absolutely I reckon. I dawknock someone once a week
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  Speaker 4: who says to me that they've recently had a home
• 40:01
  Speaker 4: invasion and that might be something minor. There was a
• 40:04
  Speaker 4: lady the other day who was telling me about how
• 40:05
  Speaker 4: she'd had a whole lot of dog biscuits stolen out
• 40:07
  Speaker 4: of her car, five kilos of them, mind you, But
• 40:10
  Speaker 4: then you know from a full on home invasion with
• 40:13
  Speaker 4: people with machetes coming to the back door in the
• 40:15
  Speaker 4: middle of the night and stealing everything.
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  Speaker 10: In the house.
• 40:19
  Speaker 4: So look, it's definitely a massive issue of concern. What
• 40:23
  Speaker 4: we're seeing in this state, this once great state of Victoria,
• 40:27
  Speaker 4: is laws that simply aren't up to the job. It's
• 40:30
  Speaker 4: no longer an offense to break the conditions of your
• 40:32
  Speaker 4: bail on knife crime. Laws are simply two weak. And
• 40:35
  Speaker 4: the other one i'd say is it's actually not an
• 40:37
  Speaker 4: offense to glamorize crime online. So it's currently legal in
• 40:43
  Speaker 4: Australia to post a video on TikTok or on one
• 40:46
  Speaker 4: of the social media platforms of you committing a crime.
• 40:49
  Speaker 4: So let's say stealing a car, robbing a house and saying, hey,
• 40:51
  Speaker 4: look how cool I am. That's not an offense.
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  Speaker 1: You're able to do that.
• 40:55
  Speaker 4: And what we're seeing is a lot of people actually
• 40:57
  Speaker 4: going online and glamorizing these criminal actives. And we don't
• 41:01
  Speaker 4: want that anymore, so we will criminalize that as a
• 41:03
  Speaker 4: federal government.
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: Amelia Haimer, I can see you already switched on to
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: the political mode there. Thank you so much indeed for
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: your time.
• 41:13
  Speaker 4: Thank you Andrew great to be with each night.
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: After they break. Something I teased before, but we'll get
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: to it now. Something strange about that man charged over attacks.
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: We were told that nothing to do with due hatred
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: or Muslims. Well, the plot thickens. Yesterday we were told
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: that the caravan found in Dural in January with explosive
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: and a list of Jewish targets was a con that
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: and fourteen attacks on synagogues, cars homes was in fact
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: an alleged plot by again trying to full police and
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: judges to go easy on them and ex changed for
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: information about this mayhem. Nothing to do with due hatred
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: Muslims unfairly blamed, that said. One of the fourteen people
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: arrested over the plot is saying. Mohammed Mussawi, former head
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: of the Paven Paramatta chapter of the Nomad Barkie gang,
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: now should stress he is not the man police say
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: masterminded the caravan con Well say, he was charged today
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: with allegedly sending people to torch or turned out to
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: be the wrong target in one attack, and then allegedly
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: fire boeing the real target himself, a Jewish Koshadelli. He
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: denies the charges. Clup Thiggens for talking about thick plotters
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: or whatever. Federal Home Affairs Minster Tony Burke he's now
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: outraged and Opposite's leader Peter Dutton went on and on
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: about this caravan with exposive being a terrorist incident and
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: it's men kate crime and supposedly for not asking police for.
• 42:38
  Speaker 11: Briefings where he ran the script that organized crime wanted
• 42:43
  Speaker 11: him to run. Then yes, he has a hell of
• 42:45
  Speaker 11: a lot to apologize for. We were publicly saying he
• 42:48
  Speaker 11: should get a briefing from the Australian Federal Police. Peter
• 42:52
  Speaker 11: Dutton made a decision to avoid the Australian Federal Police
• 42:56
  Speaker 11: and to ignore the public advice at asio you if
• 42:59
  Speaker 11: you're that concerned about self promotion, you can't be trusted
• 43:02
  Speaker 11: with national security.
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: What Hipoch cred Burke himself had tweeted this was a
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: hate crime. Burke himself, his boss Anthony Albaneze, he said
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: this caravan was an anti submittic incident.
• 43:16
  Speaker 3: There's zero tolerance in Australia for hatred and for any Semitism,
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: and I want any perpetrators to be hunted down and
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: locked up.
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: And New South Wales a labor premier Chris Mens, who
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: got more police briefings than them all, still announced the
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: caravan was a terrorist attack.
• 43:36
  Speaker 8: This is the discovery of a potential mass casualty event.
• 43:40
  Speaker 10: There is only one way of calling it out and
• 43:42
  Speaker 10: that is terrorism.
• 43:43
  Speaker 7: That's what we're very worried about.
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: Peter Dutton today said actually he did ask for police briefings,
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: joining me as much. Tuesday panel Will Kingston hosts of
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: far at Will weekly podcasts from the Spectator and Politicies
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: and Culture, and Anika did Georgia with her own show
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: every Friday five pm. Tony Burke won't care of his
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: hypocrite is just guarantee the day is about Peter Dutton
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: defending himself and success.
• 44:08
  Speaker 8: Yeah, well it's election season. These sorts of comments will
• 44:12
  Speaker 8: be par for the course. Unfortunately, I don't think it
• 44:15
  Speaker 8: will hurt Dudden. He made the same assumption that everyone
• 44:17
  Speaker 8: else made, and indeed any reasonable person would make. It'll
• 44:21
  Speaker 8: be a small wake up call this election is on
• 44:23
  Speaker 8: a knife edge and he needs to make every post
• 44:25
  Speaker 8: a winner. The biggot point here, Andrew, is that antisemitism. Well,
• 44:31
  Speaker 8: despite the fact that no bom bombs went off, despite
• 44:33
  Speaker 8: the fact that thank god no one was hurt, antisemitism
• 44:38
  Speaker 8: was still weaponized in order to reach a criminal end.
• 44:43
  Speaker 8: There is still a virulent austrain of antisemitism in this country.
• 44:47
  Speaker 8: The facts of this case don't change that. In fact,
• 44:49
  Speaker 8: if anything, there's still add to it, just that the
• 44:51
  Speaker 8: fact that it was used in a novel and cynical
• 44:54
  Speaker 8: way is still representative of the fact that this is
• 44:58
  Speaker 8: a massive problem for Australia and it's something that we
• 45:01
  Speaker 8: need to tackle head on.
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: It's interesting they could have made a plot that attacked
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: the was the mosque? God forbid. I'm not recommencing the
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: absolutely against that. I'm just saying the choice of targets,
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: as you suggest, was interesting. Denika. Now let me turn
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: to Malcolm Turma because I've had an argument with Matt
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: Canavan before, and I presume that a lot of people
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: will be against me on this, But should he really
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: have shut up about Donald Trump's tariffs being terrible and
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: his bullying of allies a gift to China.
• 45:31
  Speaker 6: Yes, he should have shut up. I did hear your
• 45:33
  Speaker 6: argument earlier, Andrew. And look, I've got to say that
• 45:36
  Speaker 6: Malcolm Turnbull, he's like some crazed ex stork er. He
• 45:39
  Speaker 6: just keeps coming back and back, and he always comes
• 45:42
  Speaker 6: back at the absolute wrong times. Now, I'm not saying
• 45:44
  Speaker 6: that you can't criticize Donald Trump. Of course he can
• 45:47
  Speaker 6: criticize Donald Trump. But right now is not the time
• 45:50
  Speaker 6: to be criticizing Donald Trump. You've got to put your
• 45:52
  Speaker 6: ego aside, shut up, toe the line. What I think
• 45:56
  Speaker 6: the bigger issue here, Andrew, is the fact that Anthony Albanezi,
• 46:00
  Speaker 6: up until Sunday still wouldn't say whether or not he
• 46:02
  Speaker 6: had been in contact with Donald Trump about these tariffs.
• 46:05
  Speaker 6: It was only last week where Sharry Markson was reporting
• 46:08
  Speaker 6: that they haven't even had a phone conversation. That is
• 46:11
  Speaker 6: the bigger issue here. So right now, Malcolm Turnbull butt
• 46:15
  Speaker 6: out of it. And also the other thing is is
• 46:17
  Speaker 6: where's Kevin Rudd in all this, Andrew. Isn't he supposed
• 46:21
  Speaker 6: to be the ambassador that's supposed to be smoothing over relations.
• 46:24
  Speaker 6: But Rudd and Turnbull are in the exact same boat.
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: I think Rudd can't get a call through to the
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: White House, nor can Albanezy get any telephone hook up.
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: I really do think they've got to look to someone
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: like Gina Reinhardt as friends to break down that door.
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: But the thing here Will is that if Turnbull had
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: spoken up just before Anthony Alberanezi meeting the Chinese dictator,
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: people would have applauded him. And now people are monstering
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: him because I think the real factor here is Donald Trump.
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: They seem to believe is so sensitive that he would
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: decide national policy purely because some random guy in another
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: country is not in office insulted him. That Capy, that's
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: really freak. If that's true, I have some sympathy for
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: that argument.
• 47:19
  Speaker 8: I don't have a problem with ex prime ministers entering
• 47:22
  Speaker 8: the national conversation. I spoke to Tony Abbot a couple
• 47:25
  Speaker 8: of weeks ago. He made typically useful and interesting contributions.
• 47:29
  Speaker 8: The problem with Turnbull is that it always seems to
• 47:32
  Speaker 8: be about Malcolm. It's always about his petty grievances, it's
• 47:36
  Speaker 8: always about brandishing his legacy, it's always about his egos.
• 47:41
  Speaker 8: So I think if there was a sincerity to what
• 47:44
  Speaker 8: Turnbul was saying, I'd have more sympathy, But really this
• 47:47
  Speaker 8: is all about Malcolm. I really just hope there isn't
• 47:49
  Speaker 8: another book called Speaking to It or Advicement that we're
• 47:52
  Speaker 8: going to have to endure.
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: I think you might have nailed it right there. We
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: don't like Malcolm term because the thing is Daniaka and
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: I know of leaving a shorter time. Tony has also
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: attacked Donald Trump for his treatment of Ukraine.
• 48:11
  Speaker 6: That's fine. I don't have a problem with people attacking
• 48:13
  Speaker 6: Donald Trump Andrew. I do have a problem with Malcolm
• 48:16
  Speaker 6: Turbull butting himself into issues. Why doesn't he just go
• 48:18
  Speaker 6: and enjoy his retirement for goodness sake, just stop coming back.
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but I haven't did it, and that's okay. Malcolm
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: Turnbull does, and that's not okay because we don't like
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: Malcolm Turble.
• 48:28
  Speaker 10: I don't know.
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: Maybe I'm summing up unfairly. Will Kingston, Anikina, George Jes
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: Sorry I've left you so short a time. That's it
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: from me, Sharon Maxon, Now, good night,