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Is the Long Island Serial Killer Suspect Also the Manorville Butcher? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grease. The search conducted in connection
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Speaker 1: with the Long Island serial killer suspect has ceased. But
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Speaker 1: now all eyes not only on the crime lab as
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Speaker 1: they begin to process a mountain of evidence taken from
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Speaker 1: the basement, the home, the car, the backyard, the dirt,
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Speaker 1: you name it. Now they're processing all that, but in addition,
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Speaker 1: all eyes also turning toward the east Bound strangler and
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Speaker 1: the Materval butcher. Why is there a connection, a quite
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Speaker 1: obvious connection between the Gilgo Beach killer and two more
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Speaker 1: serial killer episodes. I'm Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories.
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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us here at Vaccination and
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Speaker 1: Serious xem one eleven. Take a listen to our friends
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Speaker 1: at NBC.
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Speaker 2: After combing for clues for nearly two weeks, an exhaustive
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Speaker 2: search of the Long Island tone belonging to Gilgo murder
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Speaker 2: suspect Rex Schureman is over.
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Speaker 1: We have obtained a massive amount of.
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Speaker 3: Material.
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Speaker 2: Now officials are stressing patients as they analyze and catalog
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Speaker 2: what they found, removing box after box of material from
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Speaker 2: the premises. Investigators finding a walk in vault equipped with
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Speaker 2: an iron door in the home and saying they seize
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Speaker 2: two hundred and seventy nine weapons.
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Speaker 1: Yes, we know that's stars has ceased and the task
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Speaker 1: before the crime lab is tremendous. But what about the
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Speaker 1: so called east Bound Strangler and the Manterval Butcher. Many
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Speaker 1: people outside criminal justice have never even heard of them.
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Speaker 1: You'll hear of them now. Take a listen to NBC.
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Speaker 2: The Gilgo Task Force is now expanding its investigation to
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Speaker 2: other cold cases on Long Island.
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Speaker 4: A serial killer stalk the streets of Atlantic City, strangling
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Speaker 4: prostitutes and leaving them in a narrow ditch behind a
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Speaker 4: CD motel. In November two thousand and six, the bodies
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Speaker 4: of these four women were discovered behind the Golden Key
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Speaker 4: Motel in a carpor Township, their shoes and socks missing,
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Speaker 4: and their bodies with their faces pointed eastward towards the
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Speaker 4: gold and silver spires of Atlantic City across the bag.
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Speaker 4: The media called the killer the Eastbound Strangler, and no
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Speaker 4: one's ever been arrested and charged with this crime.
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Speaker 1: Okay, let that say, ken, you're not only hearing our
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Speaker 1: friends at NBC, but also chasing news my nine. Let's
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Speaker 1: hear that one more time. Specifically, cut one forty five
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Speaker 1: Jack a.
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Speaker 4: Serial killer stalk the streets of Atlantic City, strangling prostitutes
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Speaker 4: and leaving them in a narrow ditch behind a CD motel.
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Speaker 4: In November two thousand and six, the bodies of these
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Speaker 4: four women were discovered behind the Golden Key Motel in
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Speaker 4: a carpor township, their shoes and socks missing, and their
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Speaker 4: bodies with their faces pointed eastward towards the gold and
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Speaker 4: Silver spires of Atlantic City across the bay. The media
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Speaker 4: called the killer the Eastbound strangler, and no one's ever
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Speaker 4: been arrested and charged with this crime.
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Speaker 1: Straight out to the founder and director of the Cold
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Speaker 1: Case Research Institute, forensic expert currently analyzing for a job
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Speaker 1: for a living crime scenes. You can find her at
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Speaker 1: coldcasecrimes dot org. Host of a new hit podcast, Zone seven,
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Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum. Cheryl, you were with me so many times
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Speaker 1: and during the time I prosecuted violent crimes, including murders,
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Speaker 1: including serial killers. The first thing you want to do
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Speaker 1: when you look at similar transactions, as it is called
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Speaker 1: typically and our constitute. Under our constitution, past crimes do
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Speaker 1: not come in on the case in chief. The jury
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Speaker 1: doesn't need to be tainted by other crimes. Unlesson until
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Speaker 1: it shows course of conduct, motive, a frame of mind similarity.
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Speaker 1: So the first thing you want to do to get
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Speaker 1: that evident sin, of course, is to find similarities. Here
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Speaker 1: we have all the victims, and this has really been
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Speaker 1: under played. Nobody even says this word women. They're almost
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Speaker 1: all women. Now, there was one Asian male over on
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Speaker 1: Long Island, and there was one child, but overwhelmingly all
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Speaker 1: the victims are women, many of them sex workers here
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Speaker 1: in the Eastbound killer case. And I think we're going
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Speaker 1: to learn in Manerville lumped together in their burial sites,
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Speaker 1: their disposal sites. Burial is probably a euphemism. They're all
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Speaker 1: disposed of in the same area. They're all killed in
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Speaker 1: the same manner, which is not necessary to be a
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Speaker 1: similar transaction. And many of them, if not all, are
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Speaker 1: sex workers. Okay, how far away? Hold on to a second?
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Speaker 1: Jen Smith joining me, Chief investigative reporter, dealingmail dot Com. Jen,
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Speaker 1: how far are the bodies in the Eastbound strangler for
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Speaker 1: the bodies at Gilgo, Just give me that one fact
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Speaker 1: if you know it, if somebody else knows it, jump in.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, pretty far.
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Speaker 6: I mean, we're talking about Long Island or New York's
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Speaker 6: East Coast and then Jersey, Atlantic City, Wada.
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Speaker 7: I'm kind of.
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Speaker 6: At the tip there, so pretty far, but you know,
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Speaker 6: not impossible, right?
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Speaker 1: Pretty far? What is pretty far? Three hours? Are you serious?
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Speaker 1: People drive two and a half hours, three hours just
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Speaker 1: to get to work. And if you're looking to kill hookers,
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Speaker 1: where you're going to go? Atlantic City, Vegas? Away from
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Speaker 1: home so your wife and your children don't know what
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Speaker 1: you're doing enough?
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Speaker 6: Yes, you're right, Nancy. They are close enough for a
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Speaker 6: connection to be plausible.
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Speaker 1: A three hour drive to dispose of bodies? Okay, sure,
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Speaker 1: I will call him similarities. What do you make of it?
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Speaker 8: They're all saxe workers. Their cell phones were taken. That's
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Speaker 8: key to me, because we know not only has Rex
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Speaker 8: taken cell phones from the victims, is used them.
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Speaker 1: Well, well, Waite, stop, did you actually just call him
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Speaker 1: by his first name? Why are you gonna have dinner
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Speaker 1: with him?
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Speaker 8: Might not be too respectful by calling him by his
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Speaker 8: last name?
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Speaker 1: Don't don't go while his wife and children aren't home.
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Speaker 8: And I'm trying not to give him too much policy
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Speaker 8: what so I'm just saying, we know he took cell phones,
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Speaker 8: we know he used those faults. The other thing not
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Speaker 8: only are the dumping grounds similar, but the way he's
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Speaker 8: left the victims enclosed proct similarly to woman another is key, Nancy,
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Speaker 8: you and I talked about from Jump Street. There were
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Speaker 8: gonna be bodies in other states. We believe that the
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Speaker 8: fact that he had seven cell phones. The pros right
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Speaker 8: now are going to try to see the estee of
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Speaker 8: why he had seven phones with each bone designated a
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Speaker 8: different state.
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Speaker 9: We will see.
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Speaker 1: Guys, we're talking about the very real possibility that Rex Hureman,
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Speaker 1: the so called Long Island serial Killer or Gilgo Beach Killer,
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Speaker 1: is connected to a string of murders, the Moniker, the
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Speaker 1: east Bound Strangler, and Manabel Butcher. I want to go
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Speaker 1: now to a very special guest joining us, and remember
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Speaker 1: everybody on the panel, Doctor Bethany bernarda Vielona, Joe Jackelone,
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Speaker 1: doctor Tim Gallagher, Jen Smith. Everybody please jump in. We
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Speaker 1: have an expert joining us right now, film producer and
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Speaker 1: director of the Killing Season, an eight part series on
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Speaker 1: the Gilg Killer airing right now. You can stream it
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Speaker 1: at Hulu, Amazon Prime and AETV. Okay, Well that's that,
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Speaker 1: just think in. This guy has produced and directed an
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Speaker 1: eight part series on the Gilg Beach killer and ties
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Speaker 1: to other victims in the area. Josh Zeeman is joining us. Okay,
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Speaker 1: you know what, Josh, I just got chills on my
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Speaker 1: arm thinking about, and not in a good way, in
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Speaker 1: the scary way, thinking about the Eastbound Strangler and the
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Speaker 1: Manival Butcher as he has called because he dismember bodies. Josh,
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Speaker 1: what do you think right now?
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Speaker 9: It's really hard to kind of put it all together.
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Speaker 9: I mean, you know, the defendant. Is he even considered
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Speaker 9: to be the Manerville Butcher? That's the first and big question. Yes,
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Speaker 9: the gilg Beach four, the Manaville Butcher, we don't quite know.
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Speaker 9: And we're talking about six other victims who are found
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Speaker 9: basically around the Gilgo Beach four, the Manerville Butcher, yes,
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Speaker 9: probably the Eastbound Strangler. I don't know. That's it's really tough.
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Speaker 9: I mean, we're talking about four women, all sex workers,
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Speaker 9: all found in close proximity to each other, all found
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Speaker 9: near water. There's a lot of similarities, but there's also
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Speaker 9: a lot of differences too.
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Speaker 1: Okay, hold on, just an Joe Jackalone is joining US.
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Speaker 1: Former NYPD sergeant, Colgate investigator and author of the cold
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Speaker 1: Case handbook, Wow he really wrote the book Cheryl mccollin,
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Speaker 1: when are you gonna write a book for Pete's sake?
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Speaker 1: And the Criminal Investigative Function a guide for new investigators.
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Speaker 1: The guy has literally written the book and you can
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Speaker 1: find him at Joseph jaquelone spelled g I A C
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Speaker 1: A l O n E. Okay, completely different than the
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Speaker 1: way it sounds dot com. Joe, thank you for being
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Speaker 1: with us. You know, I hear Josh Zeeman and I
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Speaker 1: agree the three hours drive for the Ace Bounce strangler
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Speaker 1: doesn't bother me at all. That's no, that doesn't bother
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Speaker 1: me for someone that at that point in his killing
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Speaker 1: career wants to dump bodies further away from his home.
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Speaker 1: Now the Manivil Butcher, Josh, weren't some of the body
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Speaker 1: parts of the Mannerval Butcher victims found at Gilgo Beach.
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Speaker 9: I mean, yeah, that's the crazy thing. How are there
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Speaker 9: two serial killers dumping bodies in the same place. Yeah,
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Speaker 9: you know, for a long time we didn't really quite
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Speaker 9: think the tour connected. But one of the biggest issues
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Speaker 9: is the defendants google searches. In his Google search, it
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Speaker 9: comes up Asian twink, which really is a kind of
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Speaker 9: like kink that's identified with an Asian kind of effeminate man.
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Speaker 9: And when we saw that Google search, suddenly I think
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Speaker 9: a lot of us were like, hmm, maybe he is
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Speaker 9: the manor.
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Speaker 1: Of Prime Stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, how likely is
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Speaker 1: that jackeline that two serial killers are dumping bodies and
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Speaker 1: body parts at the same stretch of beach.
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Speaker 3: It's unlikely. And also just from being a copy myself
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Speaker 3: on Cherry will tell you, we don't believe in coincidences, right,
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Speaker 3: So from the very beginning, I always thought it was
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Speaker 3: one individual responsive responsible for all of these And I'll
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Speaker 3: tell you what people say, Well, these people, you know,
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Speaker 3: the first four Peaches and Jessica Taylor and Valerie Mack
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Speaker 3: were all cut up, and then you know, remains were
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Speaker 3: left in Manorville and Empstead, State Lake Park and Fire
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Speaker 3: Island Jane Goe. But you know, and now the other
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Speaker 3: Gilgal fort rely intact. And it's because my belief is
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Speaker 3: that this individual pick those girls up off the street
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Speaker 3: and he was worried about somebody seeing them get in
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Speaker 3: the car, and that's so he had to try to
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Speaker 3: dismember him to try to make sure that the police
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Speaker 3: couldn't identify him, so nothing would lead back to him.
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Speaker 3: The gill Go for all done anonymously what he thought
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Speaker 3: with burn of phones on the internet, and there was
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Speaker 3: no need to dismember those bodies. That has been my
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Speaker 3: working theory from the beginning, and I'm going to stick
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Speaker 3: with it. At this point. I can't. There's no going back.
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Speaker 3: So the issue that comes down to is we now
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Speaker 3: have all of the electronic records and I'm sure with
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Speaker 3: this Atlantic city trip that everybody's now focusing and on.
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Speaker 3: You have to pay tolls to get there, easy pass records,
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Speaker 3: cell phone towers all along the way. We have all
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Speaker 3: his phones, or at least seven of them. So that
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Speaker 3: digital evidence, I think will kind of determine exactly what
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Speaker 3: we're looking at, if we're looking at all.
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Speaker 1: Okay, I want to out to process everything you just
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Speaker 1: said except a huge data dump right there, and every
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Speaker 1: word of it was significant. Joining me Chief investigative reporter,
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Speaker 1: dailymail dot com, Jen, give me the framework, the time
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Speaker 1: framework of the Gilg Beach killings, the Gilg four they
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Speaker 1: started and stopped when I could just look at my
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Speaker 1: notes that I've made. Is this correct? Two thousand and seven,
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Speaker 1: twenty ten for Gilgo.
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Speaker 6: No, not quite the earliest that the girls went missing
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Speaker 6: with around two thousand and nine, but the bodies were
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Speaker 6: all discovered in two thousand and ten.
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Speaker 1: But we know it's in that area. Two thousand and seven,
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Speaker 1: twenty ten. You're saying two thousand and nine.
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Speaker 8: Correct.
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Speaker 1: Here comes my question, Eastbound Strangler. Everybody jump in. If
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Speaker 1: these numbers are if these dates are wrong, East Bounce
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Speaker 1: Strangler two thousand and six, is that the discovery of
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Speaker 1: the Okay? All right, so hold on, I'm working very
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Speaker 1: slowly working out something. Then we have the manner of
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Speaker 1: old Butcher victims ninety three ninety four.
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Speaker 9: Ish, right, that's correct.
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Speaker 1: There are also unattributed Long Island murder victims nineteen ninety
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Speaker 1: seven to two thousand and three. What I'm saying is,
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Speaker 1: I have basically a linear line, speaking of redundancy, I
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Speaker 1: have a linear chronology of murders starting back in ninety three.
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Speaker 1: You got the Maniabald Butcher murders in ninety three, starting
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Speaker 1: then where the bodies would be dismembered, then from about
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Speaker 1: ninety seven to two thousand and three, multiple other victims
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Speaker 1: two thousand and six. East Found Strangler two thousand and seven.
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Speaker 1: To twenty ten the Gilgo victims. I mean it just said, Okay,
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Speaker 1: you know what. Let me go to BERNARDA Violona, who
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Speaker 1: actually worked in the homicide Bureau with one of the
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Speaker 1: guild current Gilgo case prosecutors. She's a higher profile criminal
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Speaker 1: defense attorney, former prosecutor in New York and you can
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Speaker 1: find her at via Lona law dot com. Bernarda, do
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Speaker 1: you remember the very first case you ever tried? You
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Speaker 1: don't need to tell me about it, but do you remember?
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Speaker 7: Absolutely? Okay, antee, absolutely, and it was a cold case.
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Speaker 1: Do you remember the last case? Do you remember the
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Speaker 1: last case?
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Speaker 7: You tried to remember the first case, in the last case,
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Speaker 7: but definitely the first case case. It was cold case,
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Speaker 7: and cold cases are the most difficult cases.
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Speaker 1: How much did you improve? How much did I improve
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Speaker 1: from my first case of an attimpted shoplifting to the
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Speaker 1: last case where I had a serial killer? How much
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Speaker 1: did you hone your craft?
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Speaker 7: Oh? My god, one hundred. I mean I'm a different
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Speaker 7: person now, a completely different person, completely attorney.
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Speaker 1: I'm getting a signed waved at me by Jackie Human
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Speaker 1: would have been twenty nine in nineteen ninety three. Okay, yes,
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Speaker 1: how long was Bundy, wasn't he? And doctor Bethay Marshall
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Speaker 1: jump in with me here. I'm trying to talk about
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Speaker 1: what I say as a chronological a very clear line,
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Speaker 1: Doctor Bethany Marshall, high profile psychoanalysts joining us out of
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Speaker 1: Beverly Hills where they're all worried about which designer bag
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Speaker 1: goes with which designer outfit. But hey, everybody's got problems
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Speaker 1: you can find, right, doctor Bethany Marshall dot com. Doctor
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Speaker 1: Bethany jump in, Well, here's what.
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Speaker 5: I think about the chronology. Sure, at the beginning, he's
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Speaker 5: just working up the courage to begin killing people, so
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Speaker 5: maybe he won't be as talented at it. But see,
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Speaker 5: one of the things we know about serial killers, and
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Speaker 5: this is sort of in the literature, and it's known
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Speaker 5: in my field, is that they do kill a few
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Speaker 5: victims at a time, and then they go underground, and
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Speaker 5: then they start they have another killing spree, and then
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Speaker 5: they go underground. And the question is why is that.
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Speaker 5: The reason that they do that is that they have
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Speaker 5: such solific santasy lives. Now, remember, serial killing is motivated
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Speaker 5: by sex, right, the desire to inflict cruelty, to kill
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Speaker 5: in order to achieve sexual arousal well, because these guys
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Speaker 5: have such prolific fantasy lives. They can take a trophy
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Speaker 5: or a body part and they can fantasize, they can think,
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Speaker 5: they can go on the internet, they can plan their
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Speaker 5: next crime, and then they pop up and then there's
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Speaker 5: another cluster of killings. And that's what I'm seeing in
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Speaker 5: the chronology is there are clusters. You know, he kills
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Speaker 5: like the sort of the four women that are faced east,
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Speaker 5: and then he goes underground again, and then he pops
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Speaker 5: up again, the idea of that three hour drive. I'm
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Speaker 5: sorry to keep bringing this back to sex, but I
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Speaker 5: think that sex addicts people are sexually compulsive. They do
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Speaker 5: drive a lot. They're looking just they masturbate the lot,
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Speaker 5: they fantasize a lot. They're looking for that right next
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Speaker 5: victim or person that they're in our hook up with.
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Speaker 5: So speak of it as a compulsion, and there's a
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Speaker 5: lot of time spent in the compulsion. And also we're
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Speaker 5: just focusing on the people who died. He may have
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Speaker 5: been having sex with a lot of people every day,
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Speaker 5: hooking up a lot, dating a lot, you know, calling
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Speaker 5: women a lot. So the deaths have come to our attention.
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Speaker 5: We have to remember that this is a man who's thinking, acting, masturbating, looking,
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Speaker 5: calling all the time. There's a huge amount of energy.
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Speaker 1: I let me throw something in there. Of course, the
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Speaker 1: guy's got seven burner phones plus his regular phone. What
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Speaker 1: do you think he's doing again, Ladies, your husband or
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Speaker 1: boyfriend gets a burner phone, you get a lawyer. Okay, bye,
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Speaker 1: by But I'm thinking I'm not. I'm in the same
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Speaker 1: boat with josh A Zeeman. I'm ready to consider the
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Speaker 1: man of Oal Butcher killings. I've got to know more
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Speaker 1: about the Eastbound strangler, although that mo modus operandi in
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Speaker 1: Eastbound seems more similar to me. The man of Old
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Speaker 1: Butcher puts body parts of his dismember victims at Gilgo
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Speaker 1: Beach with the Gilgo for bodies and the other bodies
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Speaker 1: found there. MENI menie bodies. I mean, are you ready
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Speaker 1: to believe that there's a coincidence that there's a serial
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Speaker 1: killer convention and several of them are leaving bodies there.
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Speaker 1: Doctor Tim Gallagher is with US Medical Examiner for the
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Speaker 1: State of Florida. You can find him at pathcaremed dot com.
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Speaker 1: Lecturer University of Florida Medical school and Forensic Medicine, founder
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Speaker 1: of the International Forensic Medicine Death Investigation Conference. Just in
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Speaker 1: a nutshell if that's possible. I mean, you studied what
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Speaker 1: seven years and med school than the undergrad and the
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Speaker 1: residency and all that, and I ask you to put
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Speaker 1: it in a nutshell, DoD de Gallagh or how hard
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Speaker 1: is it truly difficult to dismember a body?
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Speaker 10: Well, I think that's something important to talk about here, Nancy.
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Speaker 10: The way the body has been dismembered can also lead
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Speaker 10: to is it one killer or is it two? If
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Speaker 10: the body was surgically dismembered, for instance, if the knife.
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Speaker 10: If a knife was used and it was between the joints,
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Speaker 10: the person would have to know about anatomy and where
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Speaker 10: exactly to cut it, so they would leave virtually no
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Speaker 10: marks on any of the bones with the knife. If
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Speaker 10: the person had used as say an electrical saw, you know,
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Speaker 10: to cut through the bones, just say as a butcher,
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Speaker 10: would you know that can and all the bodies who
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Speaker 10: were dismembered were dismembered in the same way, that could
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Speaker 10: lead to one or two killers. So it's important to
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Speaker 10: look at the ends of the bones when they are
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Speaker 10: found to see if the bones were surgically dissected from
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Speaker 10: each other, for instance, the knife was gone through the joints,
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Speaker 10: or if a electrical saw type device was used which
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Speaker 10: left teeth marks and damage to the bones while the
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Speaker 10: person was cutting through. If the damage to the bones
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Speaker 10: were the same in each of the body parts that
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Speaker 10: were found, then we could attribute that to the same person.
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Speaker 5: You know.
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Speaker 10: So, but as far as dismembering a person, it takes
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Speaker 10: a lot of energy. It's a lot a lot of energy.
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Speaker 10: It's it's not for the meek, it's not for somebody.
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Speaker 9: Who is weak.
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Speaker 3: It's and.
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Speaker 10: The actual pattern to look for will help you decide
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Speaker 10: whether it's one or two killers.
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Speaker 1: You know, online, everyone is not everyone. A lot of
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Speaker 1: people are saying, oh, it's just like Dexter. It's not
21:51
Speaker 1: just like Dexter number one. That's pretend number one, number two.
21:57
Speaker 1: Dexter was killing bad guys. This guy is killing, stalking,
22:03
Speaker 1: torturing and killing women and children. Because isn't there a child?
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Speaker 1: Wasn't there a child found? Jan Smith? Or an eastbound strangler?
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Speaker 7: Yeah, there was.
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Speaker 6: It wasn't the eastbound strangler, Nancy. It was one of
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Speaker 6: the Manorville victims. There was a toddler found with the
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Speaker 6: mother Peaches correct, Yeah, so the mother is unidentified to
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Speaker 6: the Jane Doe. And investigators obviously were so struck by
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Speaker 6: the tragedy of this they didn't want to refer to
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Speaker 6: a toddler girl as a Jane Doe, so they came
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Speaker 6: up with the name Peaches for her. And I mean, yeah,
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Speaker 6: that's that would have been the Manavilla Butcher.
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Speaker 1: Thank you guys, speaking out of the Manibald Butcher. Takelas
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Speaker 1: knock cut one thirty nine ABC seven Today, we are
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Speaker 1: announcing that Jane Do number six has been positively identified
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Speaker 1: as Valerie Mac.
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Speaker 11: It has been twenty years since the family of vale
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Speaker 11: Mary Mack has seen her smile or hurt her laugh.
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Speaker 11: The twenty four year old was last sing in the
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Speaker 11: spring of two thousand, about one hundred miles away from Philly.
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Speaker 11: In November of that year, the partial remains of a
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Speaker 11: woman were found in Manorville. More than ten years later,
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Speaker 11: more remains were discovered in Gilgo Beach State Park in
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Speaker 11: April of twenty eleven.
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Speaker 1: Gilgo, Gilgo, Gilgo. We keep hearing Gilgo dead bodies, body parts,
23:27
Speaker 1: and there's another similarity. Take a listen to our friends
23:31
Speaker 1: at PIXI eleven in our cut one four two.
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Speaker 12: Jessica Taylor and Valerie Mack, another dismembered victim found in Manerville,
23:39
Speaker 12: were tied to the Gilgo Beach serial killer or killers.
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Speaker 12: Two law enforcement sources told me they were tied up
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Speaker 12: in a very cruel way, one saying their leg area
23:49
Speaker 12: was bound in a ball. You'd have to be a
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Speaker 12: hunter to do something like that. The second source said
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Speaker 12: the knees were brought into their chest area.
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Speaker 1: Josh Zeeman joining us director of the Killing Season, an
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Speaker 1: eight part series on the Gilg killer and ties to
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Speaker 1: other victims in the area. Weren't the Gilg victims bound
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Speaker 1: as well?
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Speaker 9: Yeah, In fact, one was bound with a belt, so
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Speaker 9: the bounding is similar for sure. You know that's another
24:23
Speaker 9: big issue. I mean, how are body parts being left
24:26
Speaker 9: in Manorville the same body parts being left in Gilgo Beach.
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Speaker 9: It's just two coincidental.
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Speaker 1: How far is Manerval from Gilgo Beach?
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Speaker 9: Fifty miles? Joe, how far is it?
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Speaker 3: Yeah? I was gonna say about anywhere from forty to
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Speaker 3: forty five.
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Speaker 1: Miles And listen, forty five miles an hour, an hour
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Speaker 1: and a half, maybe in the car, but late at night,
24:49
Speaker 1: cut that down to fifty minutes one hour. If you
24:54
Speaker 1: had to get rid of a dead body, how far
24:57
Speaker 1: would you drive in the middle of the night to that.
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Speaker 1: I would definitely drive at least an hour or two
25:04
Speaker 1: hours or three hours to get rid of a dead body.
25:08
Speaker 1: I'm I'm curious about.
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Speaker 3: Well, it would be on his way home. It would
25:13
Speaker 3: be on his way home.
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Speaker 7: So if he was.
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Speaker 3: Whoever's responsib lets just say it's the suspect they have.
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Speaker 3: Now on the way going to Mariability, you would just
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Speaker 3: pop down onto the Saddutos, go all the way down
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Speaker 3: to the Southern State, right over the Robert Moses right
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Speaker 3: into Gilgo Gilgo, right into the Walstor Falkway, right right
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Speaker 3: to Messapika. I mean, it's just it's just you know,
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Speaker 3: it's a direct route. I mean, and Josh would say
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Speaker 3: you too. For of us who grew up on Long Island,
25:38
Speaker 3: I mean, you just don't find Gilgo Beach. It's not
25:40
Speaker 3: like you can stumble upon it. You have to know
25:42
Speaker 3: it's there. So it's just to me, it's just interesting
25:45
Speaker 3: because when you look at a map and you look
25:46
Speaker 3: at where Maniver was in Hempstead Lake State Park and
25:49
Speaker 3: everything else in massa Peaka. Now it all comes into
25:51
Speaker 3: a into a circle.
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Speaker 1: Okay, that is incredibly primitive or prove something to me.
25:58
Speaker 1: Are you telling me? Is this Joe Jacqueline speaking Yes, Joe,
26:03
Speaker 1: are you telling me that humans? And again he has
26:06
Speaker 1: not been charged in Mannerable or eastbound. We're exploring the similarities.
26:13
Speaker 1: Are you telling me Jacqueline that humans drive home goes
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Speaker 1: through Gilgo in Mannerable.
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Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying is that if you look
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Speaker 3: at the map, you look at where he lives, and
26:25
Speaker 3: look at where the bodies are recovered and the parts
26:28
Speaker 3: of the bodies are covered, it's basically like an oval
26:31
Speaker 3: or a circle. So you can connect all the dots
26:33
Speaker 3: and put them all within that oval, and you know,
26:36
Speaker 3: be able to try to pinpoint it. And that's what
26:38
Speaker 3: we've seen investigators do already with even the cell phone
26:40
Speaker 3: records where they pinpointed him down at the Massapequa into Manhattan.
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Speaker 3: And I think they're going to try to do the
26:45
Speaker 3: same thing with these cases. Just that do they have
26:48
Speaker 3: the records from way back when? I mean, we know
26:50
Speaker 3: they don't have them from the ninety six cases in
26:52
Speaker 3: the ninety seven cases because it was still I don't
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Speaker 3: think they got anything back then, because I don't think
26:57
Speaker 3: much of this existed. So the issue that comes down
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Speaker 3: to is you can make it. You can make a point.
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Speaker 1: Okay, coming from someone with no accent at all me,
27:07
Speaker 1: could you slow down your New York keys and tell
27:12
Speaker 1: me what you identify on the map as a would
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Speaker 1: be route by heroman or let's just pretend the killer
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Speaker 1: go ahead.
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Speaker 3: It depends on where he's picking these girls up. But
27:22
Speaker 3: if you look at manord you can make a direct
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Speaker 3: line right to Gilgo Beach right from Manorville if you
27:29
Speaker 3: if you come from mess apeakqut, you can make a
27:31
Speaker 3: direct route to Gilgo no problem. You make a good
27:34
Speaker 3: direct route at Hempstead Lake State Park be home within
27:37
Speaker 3: you know, a half an hour back and forth. And
27:40
Speaker 3: of course, anybody who's ever written in the Southern State
27:43
Speaker 3: Parkway knows that timing is everything. So if you're doing
27:46
Speaker 3: this in the middle of the night, you're you're pretty good.
27:47
Speaker 3: If you're trying to do this at three o'clock in
27:48
Speaker 3: the afternoon, it'll take you a long time to do so.
27:52
Speaker 3: But it's plausible.
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Speaker 1: And he mentioned something really interesting. Josh Zeeman, filmmaker, producer,
27:59
Speaker 1: director of the Killing season in eight part series on Gilgo. Josh,
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Speaker 1: I'm thinking about what he's saying regarding the route and
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Speaker 1: what he said that you'd have to know the area
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Speaker 1: to even find Gilgo Beach. Everybody pause and think of
28:20
Speaker 1: a place in your hometown, a place not many people
28:25
Speaker 1: would know about that a local only somebody that lived
28:29
Speaker 1: in that area would know. What do you make of that, Josh,
28:34
Speaker 1: Someone that knows Manfal, that knows Gilgo, that knows the
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Speaker 1: state park.
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Speaker 9: Nancy, I think we can get even more specific than that.
28:43
Speaker 9: We know he's a hunter. We know he had what
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Speaker 9: two hundred and ninety five guns and probably other hunting implements.
28:51
Speaker 9: We know that he buried the GB four in camouflage,
28:56
Speaker 9: so we know he's a hunter. We know he's a duck.
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Speaker 9: Hunters Gilgo because he went hunting there, and some of
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Speaker 9: the other victims who were found in Manerville were found
29:06
Speaker 9: by hunters. So I believe he knows both areas from
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Speaker 9: his hunting. The question is what is he hunting?
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Speaker 1: Okay, you just gave me a lot of critical information.
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Speaker 1: Would you say that one more time? Plase, Well, the
29:17
Speaker 1: question is the hunting aspect. Actually, I've got hunter circled
29:21
Speaker 1: on my notes. It says one investigator saying, their leg
29:25
Speaker 1: area this is mannerable victims. Their leg area was bound
29:30
Speaker 1: in a ball. You'd have to be a hunter to
29:33
Speaker 1: do something like that. That was their quote. Okay, would
29:39
Speaker 1: you tell me that again? Please?
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Speaker 9: Just that The reason one of the reasons why he
29:43
Speaker 9: knows these areas outside of being a long islander is
29:46
Speaker 9: because he's a hunter. We know he's a hunter. We
29:49
Speaker 9: know he's a duck hunter. We know he had a
29:51
Speaker 9: huge collection of weapons, hunting implements. We know that the
29:56
Speaker 9: Gilgo Beach four were wrapped in burlap cam so Gilgo
30:02
Speaker 9: Beach duck hunters use it. And even a hunter found
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Speaker 9: one of the victims in Manerville. So I think hunting
30:10
Speaker 9: kind of ties this all together. You know, are we
30:13
Speaker 9: hunting individuals or are we hunting animals? There's just a
30:16
Speaker 9: lot of connections to the idea of being a.
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Speaker 1: Hunter, you know, Josh Ziemon, I see what you're saying.
30:23
Speaker 1: I see what you're saying about the connection between Manival,
30:27
Speaker 1: the book Manibal Butcher, and the Gilgo serial killer. Time
30:45
Speaker 1: stories with Nancy Grace, the modus operandi. Cheryl McCollum, Cold
30:54
Speaker 1: Case Investigative Research Institute founder, changes like Bernardo, who's being
31:01
Speaker 1: unusually quiet today? Via Lona, you hone, you hone. Okay,
31:08
Speaker 1: here's a simple comparison. In my first jury trial, I
31:11
Speaker 1: thought that's when women thought they had to dress link men.
31:14
Speaker 1: I had on the shirt up to my chin, the
31:18
Speaker 1: long sleeves, the long sleeved jacket, the skirt, the weirdly
31:23
Speaker 1: ivory hose, the flats, my hair up on my head,
31:29
Speaker 1: and one of those fake ties that women used to wear,
31:32
Speaker 1: like a rosette or something stuck in my throat. By
31:34
Speaker 1: that was the week the air condition went out in
31:36
Speaker 1: the Folding County Courthouse and I was on the fifth floor.
31:40
Speaker 1: By the time that trial was over, my hair was
31:43
Speaker 1: on one side of my head, had all black eyeliner
31:46
Speaker 1: coming down my face. The jacket was gone, the shirt
31:48
Speaker 1: was untacked. I don't know what happened to that rosette.
31:51
Speaker 1: Long story short, simply put, I adapted. I changed the
31:57
Speaker 1: way I gave it clothing, the way I did directs,
32:00
Speaker 1: cross exams. Everything changes. But Nancy, he could have honed
32:04
Speaker 1: his craft.
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Speaker 7: Is that, yes, Nancy? So you have to think we
32:09
Speaker 7: don't know when human started his little serial killing. We
32:14
Speaker 7: don't know where's started, where was his first kill, who
32:17
Speaker 7: was his first killed, Where did it happen, When did
32:19
Speaker 7: it happen. So what we encountered is just the gil
32:23
Speaker 7: Go Beach murders, and that being the four women. But
32:26
Speaker 7: he's only charged for three. And these are the questions
32:28
Speaker 7: in the clues that investigators are trying to find. And
32:32
Speaker 7: those questions that we've been talking about all day are
32:36
Speaker 7: the same things that investigators are like, wait, could it
32:39
Speaker 7: have started in this area, could have started New Jersey,
32:41
Speaker 7: could have Starne in South Carolina, could have started in Nevattom.
32:45
Speaker 7: Where's the first killed? Because there's no way that you
32:47
Speaker 7: start right with Gilgo. There's something more to it. You
32:51
Speaker 7: started simple, with a simpler murder than just this, because
32:54
Speaker 7: this seems to have been well planned. Where you're talking
32:57
Speaker 7: about getting these bodies to gil Go beachhet bat he
33:00
Speaker 7: made to jump in about the hunting.
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Speaker 5: You know, people who have compulsions tend to have habits
33:07
Speaker 5: that relate to the compulsions. So let's say he has
33:10
Speaker 5: the compulsion to kill, compulsion to inflict cruelty, So the
33:14
Speaker 5: hunting is related to the compulsion, just like somebody who's
33:17
Speaker 5: an alcoholic may begin to uh make craft beers, right,
33:24
Speaker 5: because that is related to the compulsion. So he probably
33:28
Speaker 5: had a lot of activities in his life, you know,
33:31
Speaker 5: the idea of dismembering the bodies, whether that was for pleasure,
33:35
Speaker 5: sexual pleasure, or also because he was trying to cover
33:38
Speaker 5: his tracks. It was probably a little bit of both.
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Speaker 3: You know, did he do would work?
33:43
Speaker 5: I hate to say, I mean, I hate to be
33:44
Speaker 5: so crass about it, but I'm sure we're going to
33:47
Speaker 5: learn that he has a lot of habits that relate
33:49
Speaker 5: to his compulsions.
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Speaker 1: Hey, Nancy, can I get back to our perfect I
33:55
Speaker 1: just wanted to point out classic example Ted Bundy. He
33:59
Speaker 1: started picking up women that Oh I'm so happy Ted
34:07
Speaker 1: Bundy start off. There's another aspect to Bundy. I bet
34:10
Speaker 1: this is not what you were going to say. He
34:12
Speaker 1: started picking up female university students, but then he shifted
34:18
Speaker 1: and no longer was picking up university students. In the end,
34:21
Speaker 1: he went back to murdering them in their place. But
34:24
Speaker 1: at the beginning he tried to pick them up. But
34:26
Speaker 1: I bet you've got a different change in mo.
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Speaker 8: I do's he dismembered some of his victims, He strangled
34:33
Speaker 8: some with pantyhose, and then he picked up a log
34:36
Speaker 8: and performed blunt force trauma. The mo can change. He
34:40
Speaker 8: can fool you because his fantasies will also change. Ted
34:44
Speaker 8: Bundy had adults primarily, and then all of a sudden
34:47
Speaker 8: he has a twelve year old child. It does change. So,
34:51
Speaker 8: for example, when we're looking at these different pockets of
34:55
Speaker 8: victims that were taken from a similar area, look at
34:59
Speaker 8: the Asian male. The Asian male was found wearing women's clothing.
35:03
Speaker 8: My question is whose clothes were they? Because all the
35:06
Speaker 8: other victims were found nude, he wasn't, So I want
35:10
Speaker 8: to know when he googled the Asian tink was that
35:13
Speaker 8: before or after the murder? That timeline is going to
35:17
Speaker 8: be crucial in telling you his mindset with that murder.
35:21
Speaker 1: Speaking of m a modus operandi method of operation, Take
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Speaker 1: a listener cut one two six and one two seven
35:28
Speaker 1: from the Killing Season. Listen.
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Speaker 13: There were in all ten bodies that were found a
35:35
Speaker 13: Long Ocean parkway. Some were dismembered and some were found intact.
35:41
Speaker 13: The Gilgo Beach four, which is the three women plus
35:45
Speaker 13: one that Rex was has been arrested for. They were
35:48
Speaker 13: all found intact, so the police kind of because of
35:50
Speaker 13: that mo they basically grouped them together and they called
35:53
Speaker 13: them the Gilgo Beach Four. The question becomes, what about
35:58
Speaker 13: these other six victims dismemberment it's different mo O, and
36:03
Speaker 13: this is hard to talk about, but is it the
36:06
Speaker 13: same killer or is it different? You know, some experts
36:09
Speaker 13: would say that it's completely different. Other people would say, no,
36:14
Speaker 13: this guy was just dismembering body parts in the beginning,
36:18
Speaker 13: and then he got lazy because he didn't get caught,
36:21
Speaker 13: and then was leaving bodies whole. So that's where this
36:24
Speaker 13: whole confusion comes from.
36:26
Speaker 1: Okay, you're hearing our new friend Josh Zeeman speaking. Explain
36:31
Speaker 1: to me. Josh and Phil, don't feel fenced in or
36:37
Speaker 1: limited by my question. Explain to me when you said
36:42
Speaker 1: he just got lazy.
36:43
Speaker 9: I mean, that's a question that has been brought up.
36:45
Speaker 9: And look, I'm not an expert. We have a lot
36:46
Speaker 9: of experts on this panel who know far more than
36:49
Speaker 9: I do. I'm just a documentarian, but I do.
36:51
Speaker 1: Want to stop right there. Zaemon, You've done an eight
36:54
Speaker 1: part series on the Gilgo Beach Killer and ties to
36:57
Speaker 1: other victims, So go ahead.
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Speaker 9: Okay, So the question just becomes and I throw this
37:03
Speaker 9: out to the rest of the panel. Do we have
37:07
Speaker 9: examples of serial killers basically getting lazy? I mean they
37:11
Speaker 9: take all these early forensic countermeasures. Yes, could the dismemberment
37:17
Speaker 9: be part of some type of pleasure as well? Is
37:20
Speaker 9: it also a forensic countermeasure? And then you know, he
37:23
Speaker 9: doesn't get caught for so long. We're talking about nineteen
37:26
Speaker 9: ninety three, when the first started, nineteen ninety six, when
37:29
Speaker 9: the first victim Fire Island Jane Doe disappeared, going all
37:33
Speaker 9: the way to when the Gilgo Beach floor disappeared about
37:36
Speaker 9: ten twelve years later. So could he get lazy? That's
37:40
Speaker 9: my question? Could he change his mo because hey, he
37:43
Speaker 9: just wasn't caught.
37:45
Speaker 8: Nancy, I'd like to answer that.
37:47
Speaker 1: Could I stop him?
37:48
Speaker 8: He didn't go ahead, He didn't get lazy, He got comfortable.
37:53
Speaker 8: There's a difference. We see it in law enforcement. Sometimes
37:56
Speaker 8: you get very comfortable in your zone among your people,
38:00
Speaker 8: and maybe you're not on a you know, on a
38:02
Speaker 8: swivel looking for problems to be in situationally aware. This
38:07
Speaker 8: man full time researched Google read about downloaded torture poor.
38:14
Speaker 8: He drove extensively looking for places, peaking dumping grounds. He
38:20
Speaker 8: contacted sex workers all the time. This was something he
38:26
Speaker 8: did full time. He was absolutely not lazy.
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Speaker 1: Point, as I may, I was just going to you,
38:33
Speaker 1: chief investigative reporter dailymail dot com. I was going to
38:35
Speaker 1: ask you a different question. But let's se what you
38:37
Speaker 1: were going to say.
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Speaker 6: Well, that's a really important, crucial point. The reason that
38:40
Speaker 6: they hold Rax here him and was because they felt
38:43
Speaker 6: as if their investigation was complete. It was because he
38:47
Speaker 6: was continuing to contact sex workers, using burner phones and
38:51
Speaker 6: making arrangements to meet with more women who investigators were
38:55
Speaker 6: frankly terrified that he might stripe again. They were watching
38:59
Speaker 6: him for a year before they brought him in, and
39:02
Speaker 6: he was continuing.
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Speaker 1: Okay, hold on, Jen Smith, I read every single thing
39:06
Speaker 1: you write about this on dailymail dot com and far
39:09
Speaker 1: far beyond. I want you to explain what you just
39:12
Speaker 1: said about how he was continuing to contact sex workers
39:16
Speaker 1: up to the time of his arrest. But I saw
39:19
Speaker 1: the photo that you first published of Rex Huerman in
39:26
Speaker 1: a cell phone oh store, buying additional minutes. Oh no, yeah, yeah,
39:32
Speaker 1: buying additional minutes at least. I think I saw it
39:35
Speaker 1: on Deli mod buying additional minutes for his burner phone.
39:40
Speaker 1: If David Lynch popped up on video at a cell
39:43
Speaker 1: phone store buying more minutes for his burner phone, oh yeah,
39:48
Speaker 1: I'm changing the locks then that minute. And what else
39:52
Speaker 1: is he gonna do on a burner phone? That's his
39:55
Speaker 1: mo o. But now you are adding to that and saying,
39:58
Speaker 1: not only was he buying the additional minutes, he's got
40:01
Speaker 1: down the water on that. But we know for a
40:03
Speaker 1: fact he was contacting sex workers up until the time
40:07
Speaker 1: of his arrest. And that woman, I believe she said
40:10
Speaker 1: July four, July seven, he approached her in a very
40:15
Speaker 1: aggressive manner out in the public park. She got so
40:18
Speaker 1: afraid that she called her sister and said, I need
40:21
Speaker 1: to come home right now, right. It was all happening
40:24
Speaker 1: up until the moment of his arrest.
40:25
Speaker 6: Absolutely know he was brazen. He did not feel like
40:30
Speaker 6: he had anything to worry about, and he was continuing
40:33
Speaker 6: to behave in a way that that he had been
40:37
Speaker 6: for decades. I mean, they really were worried about him
40:41
Speaker 6: striking again. That's why they arrested him. You know where
40:44
Speaker 6: they arrested him outside his office in Manhattan. They did
40:48
Speaker 6: that away from the home where he kept two hundred
40:51
Speaker 6: and seventy nine or two hundred and ninety five firearms.
40:54
Speaker 6: They were worried about standoff, Nancy. That's why they hold
40:57
Speaker 6: him in. This guy was dangerous.
40:58
Speaker 1: You know, I want to just zero in on something
41:01
Speaker 1: that we're all talking about. You know, Cheryl McCollum, you
41:04
Speaker 1: say tomato. Let's just say I say tomato. You say tomato.
41:08
Speaker 1: But Zeeman, Josh Zeeman says he got lazy, You say
41:12
Speaker 1: he got comfortable. Joe, Jacqueline and BERNARDA Volona with me, Joe,
41:20
Speaker 1: isn't that always the way? I mean, the first time
41:24
Speaker 1: I backed out of our garage, I nearly took off
41:26
Speaker 1: the side mirror. Well, guess what, I don't even slow down.
41:30
Speaker 1: Now you become comfortable. Some people might call it lazy,
41:34
Speaker 1: but isn't that the way it always happens?
41:37
Speaker 3: Well, I don't know, if.
41:40
Speaker 1: Go ahead, Joe, Jackolone.
41:42
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know if it's always that way. But
41:44
Speaker 3: I always try to find because I have actually investigated
41:47
Speaker 3: these kinds of cases, and you try to find where
41:50
Speaker 3: that first or second one happened. Because that's the time
41:54
Speaker 3: when this individual made the most mistakes, and that's where
41:57
Speaker 3: you as an investigator try to exploit this so right,
41:59
Speaker 3: and so we get arrogant.
42:03
Speaker 5: Criminals never think they're going to get caught. I mean,
42:06
Speaker 5: that's just the thing. I mean when even with white
42:08
Speaker 5: collar crimes we see that increasingly they failed.
42:12
Speaker 7: That's it right there. That's it right there, is that
42:16
Speaker 7: they never think they're going to get caught. And you
42:18
Speaker 7: have to think that Rex Humorman, remember he had over
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Speaker 7: a ten year had start on us because he did
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Speaker 7: not become a suspect until just last year, twenty twenty two.
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Speaker 7: So of course he thought he wasn't going to get caught.
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Speaker 7: That's why he continued acting the way that he was
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Speaker 7: acting and why the prosecution and law enforcement had to
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Speaker 7: move in to stop them because they thought that he
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Speaker 7: was about to kill again.
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Speaker 1: Where does it stand right now, Jenn Smith? The investigation
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Speaker 1: the status of Rex Hureman, the alleged Long Island serial killer.
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Speaker 6: Well, they've completed their start of his host and this
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Speaker 6: took a long time, well over you know, a couple
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Speaker 6: of weeks, and they've seized a lot of evidence. We
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Speaker 6: don't know exactly yet, but we're surely going to find out.
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Speaker 6: Rex remain in custody's no bail. Obviously, he is due
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Speaker 6: back in court in early August.
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Speaker 7: Non states.
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Speaker 6: So far he is seeded not guilty via his attorneys,
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Speaker 6: but that was very early on. That was before he
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Speaker 6: knew exactly what the authorities have against him.
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Speaker 1: Wait a minute, when will he be in court in August?
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Speaker 3: Where?
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Speaker 6: Or when?
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Speaker 7: When? When?
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Speaker 6: August first?
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Speaker 3: August first?
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Speaker 1: And that is for what an arrangement, doesn't yeah as well?
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Speaker 9: See no, that's for a conference.
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Speaker 7: It's for a conference because he's already been arranged and
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Speaker 7: he's been indicted. So now it's going to be a
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Speaker 7: series of motions and scheduling, motions and scheduling to see
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Speaker 7: even possibly whether we can get.
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Speaker 6: A trial day.
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Speaker 1: We wait as justice unfolds. But for you out there
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Speaker 1: that know or think you know anything about the Long
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Speaker 1: Island serial killings, the Manibal Butcher killings, or the Eastbound
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Speaker 1: Strangler killings, please now eight hundred to two zero tips,
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Speaker 1: eight hundred to two zero O T I p S. Goodbye, friend,