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DID BRIAN LAUNDRIE’S MOM KNOW GABBY WOULD NEVER COME HOME? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: The search for so called boyfriend Brian Laundry is in
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Speaker 1: high gear with the reward of to one hundred and
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Speaker 1: seventy thousand dollars. Brian Laundry, the so called boyfriend of
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Speaker 1: the Van Life girl Gabby Petito. Her body found out
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Speaker 1: in the Elements in the Open and the Grand Tetons
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Speaker 1: where the two had been camping. Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 1: How in the world did Brian Laundry seemingly slipped through
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Speaker 1: the fingers of not only the police, the FEDS and
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Speaker 1: the press who had a ring of cameras around his
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Speaker 1: whole home, including his backyard. Whereas Laundry right now, take
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Speaker 1: a listen to our friends at WTSPTV new leads in
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Speaker 1: the search for Brian Laundry, The Feds investigating new video
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Speaker 1: of the Laundry family and a phone purchased by Brian
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Speaker 1: just days before he went missing. First, though, let's squash
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Speaker 1: a rumor that you may have seen on social media tonight.
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Speaker 1: There's been some people sharing that Brian was spotted in
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Speaker 1: North Carolina in the mountains, others saying that he was
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Speaker 1: found there, but that is false. According to police officers
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Speaker 1: from Newbern PD and the FBI looked into the tips
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Speaker 1: that Brian was seen in the city, but they said
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Speaker 1: they don't believe he was or is in Newbern, which is,
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Speaker 1: by the way, a city on the east coast of
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Speaker 1: North Carolina. So where is laundry? And don't be dissuaded
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Speaker 1: because one tip was wrong. We need citizen police now
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Speaker 1: more than ever. If it had not been for social media,
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Speaker 1: we wouldn't have even found Gabby's body, I daresay, joining
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Speaker 1: me an all star panel and special guest today, ben
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Speaker 1: Levitan Tell, a communications expert joining us out of Raleigh.
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Speaker 1: Matthew Mangino, lawyer, former prosecutor, author of The Executioners Told.
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Speaker 1: Doctor Sherry Schwartz, forensics psychologist at panthermitigation dot com. Author
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Speaker 1: of criminal behavior Cheryl McCollum, found a director of the
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Speaker 1: Coldcase Research Institute. You can find her at coldcase dot org.
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Speaker 1: Death investigator Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor forensics, Jacksonville State University,
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Speaker 1: author of Blood Beneath My Feet and host of a
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Speaker 1: brand new hit series, Bodybags. With Joseph Scott Morgan massas
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Speaker 1: Sidi joining US investigative reporter w f LA on the
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Speaker 1: case from the very beginning, but I want to go
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Speaker 1: first to another special guest joining us, Hunter Manis, who
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Speaker 1: says he saw Brian Laundry in a bar near Yellowstone.
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Speaker 1: I'm very curious to hear all the details, Hunter Mannus,
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Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. Thank you, Nancy Hunter.
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Speaker 1: Can you believe the guy you saw at a bar
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Speaker 1: is in the middle of this hell storm? No? Actually,
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Speaker 1: at my friend and I actually, at this point I
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Speaker 1: wish we had gone to a different restaurant and bar.
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Speaker 1: Where were you? We were in West Yellowstone, Montana, which
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Speaker 1: is it's about a mile and a half outside the
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Speaker 1: West Gate of Yellowstone. We were in a bar and
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Speaker 1: restaurant called Bullwinkles. Okay, I've camp there many many times.
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Speaker 1: In fact, i'd just got back from taking the twins
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Speaker 1: to Yellowstone. You could spend a month there and not
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Speaker 1: see at all. So Hunter man Is joining me, who
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Speaker 1: sees Brian Laundry at the Bullwinkles at Yellowstone. Curious, what
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Speaker 1: was the date that you saw him? Hunter? It was
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Speaker 1: August twenty six, and he was actually in the bar
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Speaker 1: already when we went in, which was around ten o'clock,
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Speaker 1: and we left the bar a few minutes after twelve
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Speaker 1: and he was still there ten pm. Yes, ma'am. So
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Speaker 1: he was still there and was he alone? For everything
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Speaker 1: that we could see? Yes, he was. The bar was
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Speaker 1: actually what do you mean by that? Because I was
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Speaker 1: expecting a yes. No, Yes, he was alone. The only
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Speaker 1: people in the bar were him, two female bartenders, my
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Speaker 1: friend and I and another couple that we have met
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Speaker 1: in the restaurant a few minutes served here. So that's yes,
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Speaker 1: he was alone. Yes, ten o'clock at night, August the
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Speaker 1: twenty six. So that bags don't don't go anywhere, Hunter Madison.
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Speaker 1: I want to appreciate, tell you again how thankful we
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Speaker 1: are to have you. I mean, I can read about you,
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Speaker 1: but I want to ask you our own questions, and
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Speaker 1: panel jump in with questions from mannis, so where was
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Speaker 1: Gabby on August twenty six and how does that fit
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Speaker 1: in to the timeline? Straight out to Massa said, joining
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Speaker 1: us Massa, we believe, or have believed up until right now,
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Speaker 1: that Gabby was still alive on August twenty six. Why
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Speaker 1: that's exactly right, and believe that Gab was still alive
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Speaker 1: on August twenty sixth I can tell you that according
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Speaker 1: to a Federal paperwork Court paperwork Gabby sent or someone
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Speaker 1: sent a text message from Gabby Petito's phone on August
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Speaker 1: twenty seventh. Now, her mother thought that that text message
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Speaker 1: was very curious because she referred to her grandfather as Stan.
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Speaker 1: This was something that she had never done before. But
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Speaker 1: people had reported seeing Gabby alive in Wyoming on August
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Speaker 1: twenty sixth, and the last that her family heard from
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Speaker 1: her was a text message that was sent from her
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Speaker 1: phone on August twenty seventh. He reports seeing her alive
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Speaker 1: after August twenty six, after August twenty six No reports
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Speaker 1: of her alive, that's all you just said, the reports
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Speaker 1: of seeing her alive after August twenty six, So, no
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Speaker 1: reports of anyone seeing her alive. There's just that there's
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Speaker 1: fake text. To Cheryl McCollum, let's weigh in on the timeline. Well,
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Speaker 1: we know the last time she faced time with her
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Speaker 1: dad was August twenty first. We know there was some
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Speaker 1: posts on her social media, but again we can't confirm
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Speaker 1: she did that. The text some messages, I can already
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Speaker 1: tell you I have always believed they were bogus, not
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Speaker 1: just the one that where she mentions her grandfather is
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Speaker 1: stand now, well, can I ask you another question, Cheryl,
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Speaker 1: go with me on this, and then I'm a circle
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Speaker 1: back with Ben Levitan, our telecommunications expert joining us out
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Speaker 1: of Raleigh. Cheryl, you mentioned some posts after August twenty six,
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Speaker 1: but did you notice on those posts after August twenty six,
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Speaker 1: for the first time throughout the entire trip, Gabby did
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Speaker 1: not geotag the Insta posts. She geo tagged all of
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Speaker 1: her posts throughout until then, and suddenly no more geo tagging.
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Speaker 1: It was almost if someone else sent it. I mean,
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Speaker 1: because think about it. You know, I write in a
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Speaker 1: certain way. You write me full on paragraph, syntexts, whatever.
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Speaker 1: But that was her style, and I think there's a
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Speaker 1: reason for it. She was building a business. You know
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Speaker 1: how people start as an I guess you could say
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Speaker 1: influencer or let's just say their nutritionist or their dietitian
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Speaker 1: or their travel person, and they start a blog. And
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Speaker 1: she had this awesome video blog, and it took a
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Speaker 1: lot of effort to edit as an amateur to edit
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Speaker 1: what she was doing, and it looked very professional and
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Speaker 1: very intriguing. I was sucked into it. I liked watching
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Speaker 1: what they were doing. It made me want to go along.
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Speaker 1: With them. That took a lot of time and effort.
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Speaker 1: One of her hallmarks was that she geo tagged, so
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Speaker 1: everybody would know where she was when she posted. But
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Speaker 1: in those last posts, they were not geo tag to
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Speaker 1: my understanding, Cheryl McCollum, I think that's a brilliant point, Nancy.
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Speaker 1: And again, I think that's the reason his original phone
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Speaker 1: is gone. That's the reason, I think when they're looking
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Speaker 1: in the whole other can of worms. But I like
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Speaker 1: it the reason his phone was gone. Okay, hunt amanus,
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Speaker 1: hold on just a second, friend, because I want you
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Speaker 1: to hear something about the so called phone, the so
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Speaker 1: called phone that for some reason, like who leaves their
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Speaker 1: phone behind? I mean, my toys would rather get their
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Speaker 1: thumb cut off rather than leave their phone behind. But
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Speaker 1: from what we understand, he left his phone behind. Why
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Speaker 1: do you find that significant, sharl McCollum. I think it's
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Speaker 1: significant because it's just another red herring from these people.
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Speaker 1: He left the brand new phone behind easily failed. If
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Speaker 1: BI shows up, Mom's like, oh here it is, he
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Speaker 1: left it behind because that phone was clean. Prime Stories
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Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace. Guys, take a listen to Ark two
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Speaker 1: zero two. This is Shannon Chloe ten Tampa Bay debtsp Tonight,
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Speaker 1: we've confirmed with Brian Laundry's attorney that he bought a
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Speaker 1: phone before he went missing. Stephen Bertolino, who was the
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Speaker 1: attorney for the Laundry family, tells me Brian got a
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Speaker 1: phone sometime in the month of September. He tells me
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Speaker 1: he doesn't know why or exactly where he bought this phone,
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Speaker 1: but he did tell me he got it before he
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Speaker 1: went missing, and he actually left the phone here at
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Speaker 1: his home. You could all probably remember that his family
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Speaker 1: reported him missing to Northport Police on September seventeenth, his
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Speaker 1: family saying the last time they saw him was on
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Speaker 1: September fourteenth, when they say he went to the Carlton Reserve.
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Speaker 1: We can confirm that search continues for Brian Laundry at
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Speaker 1: the Carlton Reserve, and the lawyer confirming to me that
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Speaker 1: the phone is now a the hands of the FBI.
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Speaker 1: That would be the new phone. Is that right, Massa said,
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Speaker 1: the new phone and he bought is in the hands
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Speaker 1: of the FBI. Okay, Ben Levitan, Hey Huncha Mannus, you
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Speaker 1: had no idea that what you said about seeing him
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Speaker 1: on August twenty six is going to open up this
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Speaker 1: can of worms. Hold on, Hunter, ben Levitan, why would
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Speaker 1: anybody intentionally lose their phone because they don't want to
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Speaker 1: be track? Nancy? I mean, he bought this phone on
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Speaker 1: September fifteenth, and he brought a prepaid phone. Where is
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Speaker 1: his original phone? Phone? Okay, who's breaking in? Who's that?
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Speaker 1: It was Massa. So this is actually the story that
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Speaker 1: I'm working on today. The Laundry family attorney gave us
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Speaker 1: a little bit more details than you just heard from
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Speaker 1: that other reporter. We have confirmed through the attorney that
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Speaker 1: Brian allegedly purchased a new phone on September fourth. The
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Speaker 1: attorney says this was not a on her phone. He
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Speaker 1: said that he Brian opened an account with AT and T,
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Speaker 1: and we're told that on September fourteenth, when according to
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Speaker 1: his parents, he left to go to the Carlton Reserve,
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Speaker 1: he did not have that phone with him. The attorney
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Speaker 1: telling us that the FBI now has that phone, but
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Speaker 1: it was purchased on September four. Hold on, I'm making
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Speaker 1: you know that new phone bought September four. Did you
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Speaker 1: say four? Yes, Ma, I'm September four at four? No? No, no,
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Speaker 1: it's me so master. That's very very probitive in my mind.
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Speaker 1: And guys, this is how you build a case. You
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Speaker 1: start with one timeline. And just as we've got Hunter
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Speaker 1: Mannus telling us he sees Brian laundry at Bullwinkle Bar
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Speaker 1: and Yellowstone alone ten pm to at least twelve am
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Speaker 1: on August twenty six, then you start filling that in.
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Speaker 1: You start filling in that Around August twenty six, Gabby
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Speaker 1: stops geotagging her Insta posts. Why because this is all
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Speaker 1: about a travel blog and she wants the geo tachy
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Speaker 1: to show people I've been here, this is where I
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Speaker 1: really am, this is real. But suddenly she stops. It's
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Speaker 1: one of her hallmarks. Then we find out that he
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Speaker 1: comes home alone. That's on September one, and now we're
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Speaker 1: finding out September four he needs a brand new phone.
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Speaker 1: Back to you being y ten okay, jump he in
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Speaker 1: ghost Sheryl. There's something else you need to add your timeline,
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Speaker 1: and that is August thirty first, when his mama changes
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Speaker 1: the camping dates. That tells me she knew on August
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Speaker 1: thirty first he was returning home because she changes the
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Speaker 1: reservation from two people to three. That's very significant. So
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Speaker 1: he's in touch with her. He's in touch with her
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Speaker 1: by phone or texts via phone in around home from
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Speaker 1: the Grand Teatons to Northport, Florida. And she knows ahead
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Speaker 1: of time there's not going to be two camping on
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Speaker 1: this waterfront slip. There's going to be three. Brian is
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Speaker 1: joining us, and then he'll be home the next day
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Speaker 1: without Gabby in her van. And she also knows not
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Speaker 1: to make that reservation for four because she knows Gabby's
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Speaker 1: not coming home. Absolutely. Nancy, I've got one one more
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Speaker 1: point along the timeline here that seems to be slipping
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Speaker 1: past everyone. And maybe I'm wrong, maybe they look somewhere else,
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Speaker 1: But I'm thinking about the twenty seventh of August. Wasn't
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Speaker 1: that the date that they were seen in the restaurant
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Speaker 1: and he's yelling at the waite staff there and she
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Speaker 1: actually comes back in and apologizes on his behalf. You mean,
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Speaker 1: was that the merry Pig? Was that on twenty seven?
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Speaker 1: Massa said? And Jack, you look it up also, because
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Speaker 1: Massa is out in the field right now. Yeah, I'm
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Speaker 1: looking at it right now because I know all these dates.
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Speaker 1: They're critical and believe you me when you're in front
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Speaker 1: of a jury. I would have this mapped out with
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Speaker 1: my fine old timeline to identify where he was on
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Speaker 1: what date. I think it was August twenty seven. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: he said, the text makes place August twenty seven with her,
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Speaker 1: and he throws a big fit. We think about the bill.
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Speaker 1: He goes and comes in and out four times, yelling
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Speaker 1: at the waitress, and Gabby's thinking, I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
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Speaker 1: So that gives me a new perspective on Hunter Mannus.
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Speaker 1: Thank you, Jess Scott Morgan. One more, one more, one more.
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Speaker 1: It's later that day, thirty miles away Nancy, when the
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Speaker 1: family of loggers they're driving through the forest and they
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Speaker 1: actually stay. It was only twenty seven. I remember she
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Speaker 1: went back through her videography. They saw the van there.
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Speaker 1: They saw the van approximating the location where Gabby was
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Speaker 1: eventually found. Jump in man. Yeah, and so we've got
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Speaker 1: we've got his original phone and we have Gabby's phone.
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Speaker 1: Gabby's phone lass sent to text out on August twenty seven.
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Speaker 1: When that phone was turned off, thrown away, it reported
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Speaker 1: its location to a TVT Where did that phone go
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Speaker 1: out of service? Oh? Wait, a minute, you're telling me
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Speaker 1: something new. August twenty seven. Now, Cheryl was at the
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Speaker 1: fake text to stand. I believe absolutely it was Bogy
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Speaker 1: have no question. Okay, hold on August twenty seven, last
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Speaker 1: text fake or not? From Gabby? Okay, back to man
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Speaker 1: what massa August thirtieth. Posito's mom also had mentioned previously
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Speaker 1: in reports she had received a final text in August thirtieth,
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Speaker 1: that's according to our reporting. Is that the one that
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Speaker 1: said no sales service in Yo seventy? Correct? Yes, correct? Okay, Hunter,
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Speaker 1: don't move. I know you're tempted to get up and
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Speaker 1: go get a cup of coffee. Don't do it. Wait
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Speaker 1: a minute. Being levetteen, you just you just told me
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Speaker 1: something important. Well, everything you said was important, but something
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Speaker 1: really captured my attention when you said on that text
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Speaker 1: aug twenty seven even but on August twenty seven, you
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Speaker 1: said at and T would know from where that text
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Speaker 1: came from. Okay, expose go through that with me again,
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Speaker 1: been Levitan. Okay. Cell phones are real simple. Somebody calls you,
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Speaker 1: the call gets routed to the closest cell tower where
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Speaker 1: you are, and it broadcast off that cell tower, and
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Speaker 1: you get your phone call. Very simple app pets very
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Speaker 1: closet track or what cell tower you're closed to. It's
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Speaker 1: not going to pinpoint you, but it keeps you close.
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Speaker 1: So where was that phone on August twenty seventh when
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Speaker 1: the last text without and when you go off network,
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Speaker 1: you'd call someone and the your call goes right to
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Speaker 1: voice mail, right because ATP knows you have turned off
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Speaker 1: your phone. When did this phone turn off? And where
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Speaker 1: did it turn off? Okay, I just set up an
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Speaker 1: iPad because I've literally worn my iPad into the ground
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Speaker 1: and it gave me a choice that I had to
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Speaker 1: turn on or off. Like five my iPad, there's a
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Speaker 1: choice of do you want a notification to be sent
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Speaker 1: to whoever I've got at and T E Verizon when
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Speaker 1: your iPad powers down, when the battery goes dead? What
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Speaker 1: does that mean? Being levitanant? How could that play into
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Speaker 1: this case? But that sounds like marketing, can me, Nancy?
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Speaker 1: Because the network knows when your battery goes dead, it
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Speaker 1: knows the last self power you were connected to. I
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Speaker 1: want to know where this phone was when it powered down?
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Speaker 1: Did he send that texts on August twenty seventh? Drive
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Speaker 1: to Kansas and throw it out the window there that
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Speaker 1: we need to know when the phones were turned on
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Speaker 1: and turned off, and where they were turned on and
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Speaker 1: turned off, and why on September or fourth he trump
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Speaker 1: the k to have a clean phone. Prime Stories with
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace straight up to Matthew Mangina joining US former
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Speaker 1: prosecutor and author of The Executioners told Matthew, why do
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Speaker 1: these little details matter so much? Well, they're extremely important
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Speaker 1: to put a timeline together. And I'm sure that investigators
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Speaker 1: in conjunction with prosecutors are looking at these issues right
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Speaker 1: now because you want to make sure before you file charges,
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Speaker 1: before you proceed with this matter, that you've gotted all
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Speaker 1: the eyes and crossed the keys. You don't want to
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Speaker 1: find that you made a mistake or you missed something. Now,
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Speaker 1: there's no rush to file charges in terms of homicide,
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Speaker 1: there's no rush to prosecute a defend that you haven't
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Speaker 1: even found yet. But you want to do this methodical investigation,
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Speaker 1: piecing together everything that you can so that you don't
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Speaker 1: get surprised when trial does roll around. And I find
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Speaker 1: it very significant to doctor Sherry Schwartz, forensic psychologist and author.
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Speaker 1: You know that you're on a cross country trip you
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Speaker 1: obviously call or text your mother on August thirty one
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Speaker 1: that you're on the way, and then somehow you lose
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Speaker 1: that phone. And when you're on a cross country trip,
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Speaker 1: doctor Sherry, that's the one thing you have to stay
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Speaker 1: in touch with your family is your phone. So we
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Speaker 1: know he had it on August thirty one, when mom
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Speaker 1: changes the reservation of the campsite from two to three,
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Speaker 1: she knows he's coming home, she knows Gabby's not with him.
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Speaker 1: He texted her or he called her. How does he,
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Speaker 1: in the space of one day lose his only connection
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Speaker 1: to the world his cell phone. Well, my thoughts on this, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: are that his parents are toxic enablers, and so they
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Speaker 1: rubber stamp whatever behavior, no matter how bad, clearly, and
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Speaker 1: so I think it's entirely possible that mom and Dad
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Speaker 1: advise him lose the phone, stop using it. You can
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Speaker 1: be tracked that way, and true rewards were never spoken,
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Speaker 1: being levity and way in that's true of it. It
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Speaker 1: doesn't pinpoint you, but if we if he if he
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Speaker 1: turns on his phone, the FBI can know exactly where
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Speaker 1: it is because once you turn on your phone, it
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Speaker 1: identifies self art to which you are closest you can
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Speaker 1: get to that area, and there's the phone company. Continue,
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Speaker 1: when you call ninety one one, the phone company pings
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Speaker 1: you and gets a location within one hundred and fifty feet.
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Speaker 1: Once you get to one hundred and fifty feet, the
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Speaker 1: FBI has equipment that will pinpoint you to exactly where
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Speaker 1: you are. So the phone is his first enemy in
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Speaker 1: this whole case of her phone is his worst enemy.
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Speaker 1: Why do you say that. I'm very curious, why do
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Speaker 1: you say the phones are the worst enemies? Brian Laundry.
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Speaker 1: It's gonna say exactly where her phone was when you
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Speaker 1: get these records. We know exactly where his phone is
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Speaker 1: over this entire period of time. We know exactly where
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Speaker 1: her phone is. We know when they've been turned and
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Speaker 1: turned down and turned off. If he took a phone,
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Speaker 1: spake text message, I want to know where that text
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Speaker 1: message you're sent for from. Then I want to know
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Speaker 1: when the phone went off the network. When did it
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Speaker 1: go off the network? Does he did he break up
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Speaker 1: her phone? Throw it out? The fact is, if you
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Speaker 1: have a phone, whether you turn your location off or not,
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Speaker 1: the phone network knows where you are a Nancy. So
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Speaker 1: isn't that quite the coincidence, Chryl McCollum. He can text
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Speaker 1: or call his mother on August thirty one when she
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Speaker 1: changes the reservations. But then in the space of twenty
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Speaker 1: four hours, oops, he loses his phone. Well, let's go
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Speaker 1: to a premeditation. He lied to law enforcement and said
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Speaker 1: he didn't have one. That phone has been a central
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Speaker 1: part of this thing from the beginning, even before we
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Speaker 1: even knew or he even committed the murder. He's lying
22:16
Speaker 1: about that phone. And remember Gabby and Brian Laundry were
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Speaker 1: fighting because he took her phone and threw him to
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Speaker 1: leave her phone, and they were fighting over the phone.
22:26
Speaker 1: I want to go back to Hunter Manus, who has
22:27
Speaker 1: been waiting patiently our special guests joining us along with
22:30
Speaker 1: Massa Seti. Hunter, please tell me everything you remember about
22:38
Speaker 1: seeing Brian Laundry there at Bulwinkles. When we walked from
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Speaker 1: the restaurant into the bar, he was already in there.
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Speaker 1: He was sitting at the short side of the bar
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Speaker 1: and the couple we had met a little earlier in
22:52
Speaker 1: the restaurant was at the larger side, and like I said,
22:55
Speaker 1: there were two female bartenders. We sat next to the couple,
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Speaker 1: which actually he placed me closest to him. He was
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Speaker 1: on kind of a short, dull shaped side of the bar,
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Speaker 1: and we run alongside. I really didn't pay that close
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Speaker 1: of attention to him when we first got in there.
23:14
Speaker 1: There wasn't really a reason to. We didn't notice that
23:17
Speaker 1: he had a backpack that was down beside his far
23:20
Speaker 1: school because the door entering from the other part of
23:25
Speaker 1: the building was on that side of the bar. We
23:28
Speaker 1: started a conversation my friend did with the other couple
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Speaker 1: that we had met, and during the conversation, I mean,
23:36
Speaker 1: I think I glanced his way once or twice. Again,
23:40
Speaker 1: I'm not paying that much attention that nothing stood out
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Speaker 1: that much. He just sat there quietly. I did notice
23:48
Speaker 1: that he wasn't making conversations, conversation with the bartenders or
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Speaker 1: anything like that. And then during our conversation it my
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Speaker 1: friend and her husband as well as this other couple
24:01
Speaker 1: I guess, are big game hunters. They travel and hunt.
24:06
Speaker 1: So it was a conversation about, you know, the differences
24:09
Speaker 1: in Louisiana, and this couple was actually from I believe Wyoming,
24:14
Speaker 1: and so the difference in animals and the difference in
24:16
Speaker 1: hunting and things like that, which led to guns, and
24:21
Speaker 1: later on led somewhat into politics, and that's when he
24:26
Speaker 1: more or less just abruptly interjected himself into the conversation
24:31
Speaker 1: and first said something about stupid Southerners and something about
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Speaker 1: Republicans or Conservatives, and it just it kind of taught
24:42
Speaker 1: me off guard because he was somewhat to my back right,
24:46
Speaker 1: and so I kind of turned around, and at the
24:48
Speaker 1: time my friend kind of laughed and she said, which
24:53
Speaker 1: I guess offended her boy than it did me. She said, well,
24:58
Speaker 1: you know, stupid Southerners. She said, she and I both
25:03
Speaker 1: have doctor in front of our name, do you? And
25:08
Speaker 1: he made some kind of smirk and I laughed, and
25:10
Speaker 1: I said, well, where are you from. I was trying
25:12
Speaker 1: to make conversation and kind of lighten what seemed to
25:16
Speaker 1: me as kind of an aggressive conversation starter that he
25:20
Speaker 1: had started. And he said, I'm from New York. And
25:24
Speaker 1: I kind of laughed, and I said, okay, New York.
25:26
Speaker 1: And he said I have a name. It's Brian. I said, okay,
25:29
Speaker 1: Brian from New York. I said, let me ask you.
25:33
Speaker 1: You're in a small town mountain bar in the middle
25:36
Speaker 1: of nowhere in Montana, exactly what type of people, did
25:40
Speaker 1: you expect to run across? And he just kind of
25:45
Speaker 1: looked at me mumbled something under his breath, and as
25:48
Speaker 1: far as verbal interaction, that's all we had. We more
25:52
Speaker 1: or less went back car conversation and he didn't say
25:57
Speaker 1: anything else that I recall. I wouldn't turn my back
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Speaker 1: on him as much as I had it turned on before,
26:03
Speaker 1: because it just made me a little uncomfortable. And my
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Speaker 1: friend the other couple was leaving, and she mentioned to
26:11
Speaker 1: me that she was a little creeked out and that
26:14
Speaker 1: he just seemed overly invested in our conversation. She said,
26:19
Speaker 1: I feel like would be a watch. This is creeping.
26:22
Speaker 1: So we walked outside and there was a patio out back.
26:27
Speaker 1: I smoked, she doesn't, so she went outside with me.
26:30
Speaker 1: I said come on, and we sat out there a
26:32
Speaker 1: few minutes. And when we went back in and I said, look,
26:34
Speaker 1: I see if you're uncomfortable, let's move a couple of
26:36
Speaker 1: seats down, which we did, and he just sat there
26:41
Speaker 1: and it was more or less like a strange glare
26:44
Speaker 1: at us. Most of the time. Now, one of the
26:46
Speaker 1: questions that has been asked with me a lot, was
26:49
Speaker 1: he drinking? Because I know it you know she had
26:53
Speaker 1: said in the body camp footage, they don't drink. Of course,
26:56
Speaker 1: you know, most twenty two year olds in a police
26:59
Speaker 1: conversation would answer that question the same way. But was
27:03
Speaker 1: he drinking? When we walked in, he had a drink
27:07
Speaker 1: in front of him. Now, we never heard him or
27:10
Speaker 1: saw him order that one or another one, and it
27:14
Speaker 1: was dark colored. Now was it an alcohol, a mixed
27:17
Speaker 1: drink or was it a Coca Cola? I couldn't say.
27:20
Speaker 1: But what I will say is when we had the
27:24
Speaker 1: verbal exchange with him, his speech seemed slurred. My friend
27:30
Speaker 1: also agreed that it seemed slurred to me. When I
27:34
Speaker 1: looked directly at him, his eyes seemed a little bit glassy.
27:40
Speaker 1: I felt like he was maybe not intoxicated, or possibly intoxicated.
27:46
Speaker 1: I assumed being in a bar. In his speech slurring
27:49
Speaker 1: that it was alcohol, but he was I feel like
27:52
Speaker 1: he was on something when you left? What was he
27:55
Speaker 1: doing when we left? We actually excited back out the
27:58
Speaker 1: front door, and he was still sitting in the same
28:01
Speaker 1: place at the bar. And again, you know it, right
28:04
Speaker 1: around two hours, he never ordered another drink. I never
28:09
Speaker 1: saw him make conversation with the bartenders other than what
28:13
Speaker 1: he said to us, he literally just sat there time
28:32
Speaker 1: stories with Nancy Grace. That was how jumping is That
28:37
Speaker 1: was mad chump. Well, you know, I think that this
28:40
Speaker 1: timeline again is very interesting because we continue to see
28:44
Speaker 1: a deterioration of their relationship. We had the domestic dispute.
28:49
Speaker 1: Now we you know, I happen to have been in
28:52
Speaker 1: West l Stone this spring in Boolwinkles and and had dinner.
28:56
Speaker 1: If you're going to be in there by yourself and
28:58
Speaker 1: you're traveling by van, and we have to assume that
29:01
Speaker 1: the van is out front and your partner is sitting
29:05
Speaker 1: in the van by herself or laying there, we know
29:07
Speaker 1: she was. She was seeing the following day in the
29:10
Speaker 1: restaurant with him. So we see this deterioration of their relationship,
29:15
Speaker 1: which you know can extend some sort of motive. Here,
29:18
Speaker 1: there's animosity between them, their string their relationship is stream.
29:23
Speaker 1: There's been domestic violence, she's been left alone and abandoned,
29:28
Speaker 1: and now ultimately it culminates possibly in her murder by
29:34
Speaker 1: Brian Laundry. So so I think this is important because
29:37
Speaker 1: it shows him by himself without her and extends this
29:42
Speaker 1: strained relationship between the two of them and I'm going
29:45
Speaker 1: to say, Cheryl McCollum, if I went on a cross
29:48
Speaker 1: country trip with my family with my husband and he
29:51
Speaker 1: wanted to be alone at a bar as opposed to
29:56
Speaker 1: being with me and the twins, that would hurt my feelings.
30:00
Speaker 1: I mean, just stay at home in the bar if
30:02
Speaker 1: that's what you want, right. I think it's important that
30:05
Speaker 1: we point out some characteristics that are happening though. When
30:08
Speaker 1: you start saying things like, you know, dumb Southerners, and
30:12
Speaker 1: now you're bringing in politics, whether it's Democratic or Republican.
30:17
Speaker 1: The level of anger based on just where somebody's from
30:23
Speaker 1: geographically tells you again about his lack of tolerance, lack
30:28
Speaker 1: of understanding, lack of empathy, lack of anything. Because again,
30:32
Speaker 1: I mean you're talking about Southerners. I mean, come home,
30:35
Speaker 1: the microL wave, the handheld calculator, little thing called anastasia.
30:39
Speaker 1: You're welcome. I mean, we've done some pretty cool things.
30:42
Speaker 1: But he's so angry by this man's accent and what
30:47
Speaker 1: he's saying. It makes no sense except when you look
30:52
Speaker 1: at is this person capable of an explosive anger event? Well,
30:57
Speaker 1: doctor Sherry, I agree with miss Carol completely. She's absolutely
31:02
Speaker 1: right and what I was thinking is mister Mannus was talking,
31:05
Speaker 1: is that this sullen, sulking behavior that he seems to describe,
31:10
Speaker 1: he's by himself, he's brooding. This is consistent with what
31:14
Speaker 1: I recall reading a friend of Gabby said how he
31:17
Speaker 1: would behave. That's a really good point because Mannus is
31:21
Speaker 1: describing it just the way Gabby's friend described and that's
31:25
Speaker 1: a really good connection. Hey, guys, very quickly, I want
31:29
Speaker 1: to ask Massa said about a can a drink? Can
31:35
Speaker 1: that dog the bounty hunter has just found on an
31:39
Speaker 1: island or an islet down in Florida? What can you
31:44
Speaker 1: tell me, Massa? A lot of people are poo pooing it,
31:47
Speaker 1: but they poopooed Ryanne Chapman when he started looking for laundry.
31:52
Speaker 1: And now he's found all this information about Fort de Soto.
31:55
Speaker 1: I don't want to discount anything he may find. What
31:58
Speaker 1: can you tell me? Well, I can tell you that
32:00
Speaker 1: part of dog's tips did it turn out to be true?
32:03
Speaker 1: We now know that the family was there from the
32:05
Speaker 1: sixth through the seventh, according to their attorney. I can
32:09
Speaker 1: also tell you that yesterday the Panellis County Sheriff told
32:14
Speaker 1: us that they turned surveillance video on Tuesday over to
32:19
Speaker 1: the FBI. So then I contacted the FBI and I said, hey,
32:24
Speaker 1: the Penella Sheriff says, they gave you guys video a
32:27
Speaker 1: fourth to Soto on Tuesday. Did you have knowledge of
32:31
Speaker 1: it beforehand? Had you previously gotten the video yourself? And
32:35
Speaker 1: of course they did not answer that question. So a
32:38
Speaker 1: lot of people thinking that that is funny. As far
32:41
Speaker 1: as what was happening at forth to Soto, Yes, Dog
32:44
Speaker 1: the bounty hunter has been there with some canine fellow
32:49
Speaker 1: investigator friends of his, doing a search down there. Law
32:52
Speaker 1: enforcement has not been there. We have flown over that scene.
32:56
Speaker 1: We have seen nothing there. But Nancy, this is possibly
32:59
Speaker 1: the most interesting thing that happened yesterday at the Carlton
33:03
Speaker 1: Reserve on the Venice side. This is the side that
33:07
Speaker 1: is further away from his home, that is dryer, more open,
33:11
Speaker 1: I can tell you. According to our chief photojournalist Paul Lamerson,
33:16
Speaker 1: yesterday Wednesday, September twenty ninth, from about two forty five
33:21
Speaker 1: pm until five o nine pm, the Sarasota Sheriff helicopter
33:26
Speaker 1: was flying over this one area again for more than
33:30
Speaker 1: two hours. We were looking at that via flight tracking service.
33:34
Speaker 1: And also in addition to that, I'm understanding Massa said
33:39
Speaker 1: joining us that a fresh campsite has been found in
33:43
Speaker 1: a quote perfect spot for Brian Laundry to hide, including
33:49
Speaker 1: a Monster Energy Ultry Goal drink, which is the type
33:54
Speaker 1: of drink we saw his mother purchasing. Does anybody know
33:58
Speaker 1: about that? Yeah, I'm looking at picture right now. First off,
34:01
Speaker 1: if anybody sees dog the bounty hunter DOMI a favor,
34:04
Speaker 1: tell him not to touch the freaking can with his
34:06
Speaker 1: bare hands, because I'm looking. I'm looking at the photograph
34:10
Speaker 1: right now, and he's holding it with his bare hands.
34:12
Speaker 1: That this is a piece of evidence. It should have
34:14
Speaker 1: been bagged appropriately. At least put gloves on if you're
34:18
Speaker 1: going to do this, because now if you're saying that
34:20
Speaker 1: this is connected to Brian Laundry, you've just you've bespoiled
34:24
Speaker 1: the evidence potentially. Okay, got it, He should a touch ship.
34:27
Speaker 1: But I want to talk about the can. It's been
34:30
Speaker 1: found in eggmont Key State Park on Shell Island off
34:33
Speaker 1: the coast of Florida. How far is that from Camp
34:37
Speaker 1: de Soda where he was earlier. I believe it's about
34:41
Speaker 1: two miles off, but I'll double check that can shows
34:44
Speaker 1: no sign of rust or fading, suggesting that it was new.
34:48
Speaker 1: Had just been consumed that the mother of Brian Laundry
34:52
Speaker 1: bought the very same brand when they went on their
34:56
Speaker 1: camping trip. Okay, that's my understanding, but we're traking down
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Speaker 1: the photo of that to make sure that's the very latest.
35:04
Speaker 1: A tip line is one eight hundred and two two
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Speaker 1: five five, three two four. The reward is now up
35:10
Speaker 1: to one hundred and seventy thousand dollars in the search
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Speaker 1: for Brian Laundry. Nancy Grace crime story signing off Goodbye friend,