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SMNTY Classics: Where Be (Female) Monsters? · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha. I'm welcome to stuff
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Speaker 1: I've never told. You're a protection of my Heart radio.
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Speaker 1: I don't know why I said it in a weird accent.
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Speaker 1: That's that's strange. Is it Halloween? So you're jumping into accents,
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Speaker 1: And that's why I was the I was thinking of
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Speaker 1: kind of the older horror movies, you know, because the
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Speaker 1: classic we're bringing back today is about the monster gender gap,
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Speaker 1: as we say, And when I think about all of
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Speaker 1: those older classic you know, like Black Lagood and Wear
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Speaker 1: Wealth and something, it's all men like usually terrorizing women.
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Speaker 1: And apparently that was about the accent. That's where I
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Speaker 1: came from. Got you, I got you? I guess that.
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Speaker 1: Being said, we have been recently looking into a lot
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Speaker 1: of women in urban legends. We've done a lot of
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Speaker 1: stuff in this vein before, like Women's zero Killers or whatever.
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Speaker 1: And you you picked one, uh, in our one of
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Speaker 1: our Urban Legends episodes which might not have come out yet,
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Speaker 1: but you picked. You were like this, if I could
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Speaker 1: be a monster, this is the one. I think. So yeah,
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Speaker 1: But I'm curious is they're like, is there a particular
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Speaker 1: legend about a female monster or demon or story that
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Speaker 1: really really resonates with you, that you really like. I
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Speaker 1: don't know if i'd say resigniques because I think, as
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Speaker 1: we've talked about before, many of the hor movies have
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Speaker 1: something to do with children, uh and being a mother,
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Speaker 1: and that has never been a thing for me. Or
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Speaker 1: being really uh main murdered because they've cheated. That's been
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Speaker 1: a few things that have happened. I guess maybe like
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Speaker 1: things like Jennifer's body. Again, I don't see myself as
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Speaker 1: the main character or being the pretty one, so I
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Speaker 1: don't imagine that being my thing either. So this is
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Speaker 1: really sad that you can't be a monster. Apparently I
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Speaker 1: can't be a monster because I don't have any of
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Speaker 1: those days, although I do love which one is? It
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Speaker 1: kind of what we were talking about with what we
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Speaker 1: do in the Shadows, you know, feeling bad for the
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Speaker 1: girl who's not uh the prettiest indoor being ignored and
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Speaker 1: being turned into a monster, and I was like, that
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Speaker 1: could be me. Maybe maybe that would be me? Uh
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Speaker 1: maybe I wope, you know, become that jaded person or
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Speaker 1: being a sad person that someone feels bad for so
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Speaker 1: you make them immortal us type of things, so that
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Speaker 1: they can also have powers to be able to have
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Speaker 1: vengeance and do love those type of stories. So maybe
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Speaker 1: I'm more of a revenge film person that goes after things.
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Speaker 1: So I'm not necessarily a monster, but I'm definitely not cool.
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Speaker 1: Still human, but not quite a monster like that that
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Speaker 1: feels like a business scarred not a monster, but I'm
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Speaker 1: definitely not cool. What about you? I mean, I'm in
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Speaker 1: kind of a similar predicament in terms of like a
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Speaker 1: lot of what we talked about in this episode and
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Speaker 1: in the Urban Legends episode does have to do with
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Speaker 1: children and motherhood. And the reason I wanted to bring
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Speaker 1: this one back is because two things that kept coming
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Speaker 1: up when we were researching this for me that we
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Speaker 1: didn't discuss were the furies from Greek mythology and Lilith,
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Speaker 1: and those are two I guess the furies are three people.
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Speaker 1: So those four things that I always was really interested
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Speaker 1: in the furies because they have like this terrible, like
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Speaker 1: very fearsome. People were terrified of them, and and depending
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Speaker 1: on what source you're reading, they were getting like justice
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Speaker 1: or they were cruel and just killing people. And then
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Speaker 1: with someone like Lilith, there's just to me, really interesting
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Speaker 1: story behind how she got to where she got and
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Speaker 1: why she was demonized and sort of made into what
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Speaker 1: she was. So maybe, you know, resonate isn't the right word,
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Speaker 1: but I do. They just fascinate me, and a lot
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Speaker 1: of the monsters we talked about in this episode fascinated me. Actually,
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Speaker 1: maybe I should go back and say Medusa because I
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Speaker 1: feel like I could be that kind of bitter Betty,
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Speaker 1: like that resonates with me. Bitter Betty watch out, don't
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Speaker 1: say her name three times back and complains a lot.
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Speaker 1: I love that. The most boring monster that we've got
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Speaker 1: here we go. I think that could really get behind somebody, like,
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Speaker 1: really get stuck in their crawl. Oh she's still complaining.
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Speaker 1: Oh god, she's still talking and whining. My bad. Well,
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Speaker 1: we hope that you enjoy this classic episode. Hey, this
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Speaker 1: is Annie and Samantha and welcome to stuff. I've never
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Speaker 1: told your production of I hear Radio's house stufforts. I
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Speaker 1: know that there's theme music, but in my head, I
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Speaker 1: have my own. After we finished, because we sit in silence,
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Speaker 1: so like, do do do do? Do? Do? Do do do?
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Speaker 1: That's how I hear in my head. Okay, maybe we
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Speaker 1: could make that a reality. Well, I like what we've got,
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Speaker 1: which is nothing like what I just said. You came
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Speaker 1: up with your own thing. I didn't sit here kind
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Speaker 1: of awkwardly, but it's for production purpose, right, for transition. Yes. Uh.
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Speaker 1: And we were having a rousing conversation right about whether
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Speaker 1: or not unicorns are my monsters and are they all female? Right?
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Speaker 1: And I guess according to the Cabin in the Woods,
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Speaker 1: it is a monster. Yeah, because today we're talking about
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Speaker 1: female monsters. Um, unicorns did not make the list, but
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Speaker 1: maybe they should have. But I don't know his female. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: that's true, that's the that's the question. I did not
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Speaker 1: include mermaids, um, which come up a lot, but we
6:22
Speaker 1: do talk about a lot of their kind of Um yeah,
6:27
Speaker 1: we're so we're gonna do kind of a pop culture
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Speaker 1: overlook and then a historical overlook. That got kind of
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Speaker 1: out of hand, just just saying this is a lot
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Speaker 1: of pages, and I'm like, oh, we are in Annie's
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Speaker 1: fun house now. Yes, I wish I could do Halloween
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Speaker 1: themed episodes. The excitement that I see with the words
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Speaker 1: and your face as we're talking about these things, I'm like, wow, oh, yes,
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Speaker 1: I'm in for a treat. You are both a trick
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Speaker 1: and a treat. Um. Why back, We did an episode
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Speaker 1: on the trope in our pop culture of women falling
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Speaker 1: in love with monsters, and we mentioned in that episode
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Speaker 1: that there is a monster gender cap far more male
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Speaker 1: monsters than female monsters, and on top of that, there
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Speaker 1: is a monster beauty gap. Female monsters are generally portrayed
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Speaker 1: into sexualized manner, whereas male monsters are not. Male monsters
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Speaker 1: are also frequently allowed some sympathy whereas female ones are not. Yeah. Uh,
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Speaker 1: And we wanted to revisit this topic in the topic
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Speaker 1: of female monsters and just f y I as in
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Speaker 1: the episode we did around male monsters were mainly talking
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Speaker 1: about fictional monsters, not like our real world human monsters. Um,
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Speaker 1: we are going to tough touch briefly on um, some
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Speaker 1: fictional serial killers, but not not generally. And I know
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Speaker 1: that I've done my my horror movies should beel on
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Speaker 1: the show before, but I think horror movies are really
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Speaker 1: indicative of our anxieties and fears as a society. And
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Speaker 1: we are apparently hell afraid of women and their bodies
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Speaker 1: and yeah, all the fluids of their bodies. No, absolutely true,
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Speaker 1: absolutely true. Um, And this does come into like an
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Speaker 1: interesting conversation of what a monster is, and we'll get
8:21
Speaker 1: we'll touch on that a little bit more because some
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Speaker 1: of them we included, even though maybe we have some doubts.
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Speaker 1: There's a gray area. There are several gray areas. There's many,
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Speaker 1: there's fifty shades of gray. Which is not a horror movie.
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Speaker 1: I've been told I haven't seen it anither I haven't
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Speaker 1: seen them though, no trigger warning before we get into
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Speaker 1: it for brief mentions of sexual assault and violence, and yes,
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Speaker 1: more specifically talking about more non human superhuman monsters today.
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Speaker 1: But okay, I wanted to ask you, Samantha here, what's
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Speaker 1: the first female monster that comes to your head? So
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Speaker 1: for me, all the female monsters are the ghostly, motherly,
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Speaker 1: demonic kind um and when or wrong goes, So if
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Speaker 1: I think of the mother on Juan or the I guess,
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Speaker 1: I guess the regular the grudge, but we just recently
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Speaker 1: watched that one which I love, or the devil worshiping
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Speaker 1: Mother from Conjuring because I love those movies, or even
9:22
Speaker 1: in the later segments of Insidious, there is a mother
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Speaker 1: figure that started at all that haunts them kind of thing?
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Speaker 1: Are these spoilers who do not have said spoilers. Spoilers,
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Speaker 1: I don't think those are spoilers because they're just kind
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Speaker 1: of like in the trailer, right, or even if you
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Speaker 1: like I guess if you want to think about again
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Speaker 1: with the mother figure in The Red Dragon, Joseph finds,
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Speaker 1: I know this is a serial color and all that,
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Speaker 1: but it began with his mother and created this fictional
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Speaker 1: serial killed monster. And that's kind of what I think
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Speaker 1: of as women and monsters. It's all these awful mothers
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Speaker 1: or stepmothers, mothers, yeah, that either come back for revenge
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Speaker 1: or because they hated their children, or they're part of
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Speaker 1: a witchcraft or something, right. Yeah, And that's something we've
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Speaker 1: definitely talked about before, is our pop culture anxiety around
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Speaker 1: motherhood really apparently um And I feel like most female
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Speaker 1: monsters I think of are like film fatals are seductresses.
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Speaker 1: Um or Yeah, closely. Women with long black hair just
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Speaker 1: one of my favorite things. So when I had long
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Speaker 1: black hair, I used to try to scare the hell
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Speaker 1: out of people just by making that weird grudge noise
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Speaker 1: and with the hair in my face, it worked. One
10:35
Speaker 1: of my favorite costumes I ever saw a dragon con
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Speaker 1: with someone dressed as Samara from the Ring looked just
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Speaker 1: like her and was carrying around a videotape and like
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Speaker 1: slowly trying to hand it to people. It was so creepy.
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Speaker 1: One of my favorite Halloween costumes was dressing as the Grudge,
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Speaker 1: having like a stained white gown essentially or you know,
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Speaker 1: hospital gown with my hair all in my face and
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Speaker 1: all white, and just standing with the one eye following
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Speaker 1: people creepily. They were really creeped up. A lot of
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Speaker 1: friends and a lot of short day. I'm sure you
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Speaker 1: didn't lose any definitely not UM. I also think of
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Speaker 1: possessed young girls. I think that's a pretty big trope
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Speaker 1: in our horror. Kristen and Caroline have a whole episode
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Speaker 1: on Succupy kind of going off that that's a detorous
11:16
Speaker 1: finmvital thing if you want to check that out, And
11:19
Speaker 1: they've done a few on witches, uh, if you want
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Speaker 1: to check those out as well. So some famous recent
11:26
Speaker 1: examples recent ish of UM female monsters The Queen Alien
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Speaker 1: from Aliens, which by now you've either heard are very
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Speaker 1: indefinite lookn alien or if you haven't, you should check
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Speaker 1: it out. UM. The Queen Alien from the Faculty, which
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Speaker 1: is a movie that I loved in high school and
11:46
Speaker 1: I think for like a month every day I would
11:49
Speaker 1: go home and watch it with some KFC. What a
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Speaker 1: weird weird child. Wow with KFC, that's very specific. I know.
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Speaker 1: I went through a big KFC like just a chicken
12:00
Speaker 1: because the sides I think we can agree or well,
12:03
Speaker 1: the chicken finger looking good. Yes, it is the leventer
12:06
Speaker 1: and spices, just those secret and spices. Oh yeah, we'll
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Speaker 1: never know. It can't be like salt and pepper or whatever.
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Speaker 1: It's got to be something more. Um another alien, the
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Speaker 1: alien from under the skin who killed men for their
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Speaker 1: organs by seducing them. The Raptors from Jurassic Park. Um,
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Speaker 1: at least the first one. They're all they're all female.
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Speaker 1: Missed that part. Yeah, that's the whole thing, is like
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Speaker 1: they can't reproduce because they're all female. But then they
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Speaker 1: frog DNA and then talk about spoilers that movie in years. Um,
12:45
Speaker 1: I suppose I saw Godzilla from the version of Godzilla
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Speaker 1: on some list which I bring up every chance I get.
12:52
Speaker 1: That's why it's here on this list. Um. Jaws, let's bruce, yes,
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Speaker 1: but the Jaws in the book at because I think
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Speaker 1: that her her child is in the second one looking
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Speaker 1: for revenge, or maybe the other way around. It's a
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Speaker 1: revenge tale, is it? For sure? The mom wants revenge
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Speaker 1: or the child wants revenge. I just as soon suppose
13:16
Speaker 1: the mayor was stupid every time, and so he deserves
13:18
Speaker 1: his talent getting eat up? Do you know what I'm
13:21
Speaker 1: talking about? What character? I absolutely know what you're talking about.
13:24
Speaker 1: I watched that movie every fourth of July because it
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Speaker 1: takes place on fourth of Yeah, and then the demon
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Speaker 1: from Jennifer's Body, which, by the way, she was possessed
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Speaker 1: because she was not a virgin. I did not have
13:35
Speaker 1: you seen this movie? But oh, yeah, you and I
13:36
Speaker 1: talked about this. Okay. I try to make my friend
13:38
Speaker 1: watch it too, and he's like, this is dumb. What
13:40
Speaker 1: is this? I'm like, it was Diablo Cody. That's one
13:42
Speaker 1: of her first movies, and it's kind of like mock
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Speaker 1: two women in in in in the horror like genre.
13:49
Speaker 1: But yeah, she was supposed to be maybe spoiler alert
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Speaker 1: if you're really excited about watching Jennifer's Body, which is
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Speaker 1: fairly old. Um, but she goes with this band. The
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Speaker 1: band thinks he's a virgin, and they do this whole
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Speaker 1: ceremon only on her instead of going correctly, she be
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Speaker 1: gets possessed or she becomes a demon and right and
14:06
Speaker 1: then no, of course not well, they like she's so hot,
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Speaker 1: she's me and she's so hot that automatically you get
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Speaker 1: an excuse. Except for her best friend, who's Amanda Fred
14:17
Speaker 1: who was beautiful, but she plays the dowdy girl. I'm like,
14:19
Speaker 1: come on, y'all, that always bothers me. She's the shy,
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Speaker 1: quieter friend of Megan Foxes. Was her hair and a pony? Yes, yes, yes,
14:33
Speaker 1: which I'm sure again Diablo Cody did that a definitely. Um,
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Speaker 1: I love those movies like that, Um the Werewolf from
14:41
Speaker 1: Ginger Snaps, which also plays on a lot of our
14:45
Speaker 1: fears straight up about, straight up about periods. I love it.
14:49
Speaker 1: I'm telling you it all boils so male writers being
14:53
Speaker 1: afraid of periods. They should be they should respect them, respected.
14:58
Speaker 1: And Um Samara from The Ring are Sadko from the original,
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Speaker 1: And Um, I would love to come back and do
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Speaker 1: a whole thing on that kind of genre of Japanese
15:10
Speaker 1: horror because a lot of it has to do with
15:14
Speaker 1: um anxiety around Hairoshima and the nuclear fallout, and a
15:20
Speaker 1: fear of like what will my children like maybe something
15:24
Speaker 1: has gone wrong with this radiation. Um. I would love
15:27
Speaker 1: to come back about legitimate fear. I think that's kind
15:29
Speaker 1: of how Chernobyl the whole horror story is always kind
15:32
Speaker 1: of revolve around that as well. And then the vampire
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Speaker 1: from Let the Right One in or a girl walks
15:37
Speaker 1: home alone at night, fun gray area when it comes
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Speaker 1: to monsters, which I did love both of those movies.
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Speaker 1: They were fantastic in the original The fact that these
15:45
Speaker 1: movies came out in this kind of level and it's
15:48
Speaker 1: just so like slow, yeah, but you kind of love it.
15:51
Speaker 1: But then you know, there's draculas brides, yeah, which are
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Speaker 1: usually portrayed pretty sexily, right, and it's kind of into
15:57
Speaker 1: those little gray areas. Is that the monster or that
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Speaker 1: you know what I write Camilla the lesbian vampire who
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Speaker 1: wanted to turn all the women she could into vampires?
16:06
Speaker 1: Do it? Just do it? Sorrey the vampire from Octavia
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Speaker 1: Butler's fledged Length, which I haven't seen that one. It's
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Speaker 1: a book. Oh, I think it's might be in Talk
16:18
Speaker 1: to Me a movie. Okay, okay, okay, so that's probably why.
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Speaker 1: And then the main monster from Dusk Till Dawn, which
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Speaker 1: is Selmahiak. She barely speaks in it until she's about
16:28
Speaker 1: to kill people, but she does her seductive dance and
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Speaker 1: she turns up to be one of the main vampires.
16:33
Speaker 1: You know, spoiler alert, but like that, Actually you do
16:37
Speaker 1: not know this? Have you seen from Dustin? You've not
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Speaker 1: seen If I hain't seen it and I didn't know
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Speaker 1: she was a vampire, what would that say? I just
16:45
Speaker 1: never don't you would it becomes obvious And I'm sorry
16:48
Speaker 1: I spoiled that for you. I really thought you. It's
16:50
Speaker 1: a fairly old movie. Yeah. The statute of limitations I
16:53
Speaker 1: believe is tenures and it's fairly old. Um. I know
16:56
Speaker 1: there's a lot of like Quentin Tarantino. However, yeah, it
16:59
Speaker 1: is of fun, over the top. It does also involve
17:03
Speaker 1: like a serial killer. It's a weird it's hard to
17:05
Speaker 1: dis Yeah, it's a weird movie. I know, must of
17:08
Speaker 1: you have watched it because you also feel a little
17:10
Speaker 1: you feel this little sympathy for the serial killer, like
17:14
Speaker 1: Psychotic Brother. It's a whole level. It's a whole level.
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Speaker 1: So also Juliette Lewis is a teenage girl character. It's
17:21
Speaker 1: just some creepy factors up in here. Definitely a good,
17:24
Speaker 1: like an interesting movie to watch. But yeah, the the
17:27
Speaker 1: main vampire is Salma Hiak, who is a beautiful dancer
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Speaker 1: that turns into an all eating monster and all eating
17:39
Speaker 1: monster sees everything. Huh, well that me vampire. You know,
17:47
Speaker 1: I saw this movie recently and I couldn't, for the
17:49
Speaker 1: life of me remember what it's called. So this is
17:51
Speaker 1: very unhelpful. But it was like, I think, um spring,
17:58
Speaker 1: but it was about it sets itself up, so you
18:02
Speaker 1: think it's one of those American tourists is going to
18:05
Speaker 1: get tortured by locals and die kind of thing because
18:08
Speaker 1: he's like in an Italy um and he meets the
18:12
Speaker 1: hot girl and you know it's a horror movie, so
18:14
Speaker 1: you're like, okay, But then it turns out she actually
18:17
Speaker 1: does love him. But at night she turns into some
18:21
Speaker 1: kind of like Cthulu type but on a small level,
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Speaker 1: and she has to feed and she's trying to protect him.
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Speaker 1: And also like every so many years she will become
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Speaker 1: that monster permanently. And instead of I mean, I guess spoilers,
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Speaker 1: they stayed together and it ends with them, like waiting
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Speaker 1: for the sunrise on her last day and to see
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Speaker 1: what happens. Um, he's gonna get eaten probably, Um. But
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Speaker 1: I do like I like movies like the ones we've
18:51
Speaker 1: been talking about with the vampires and um, the ones
18:54
Speaker 1: that make you think about the question of what is
18:56
Speaker 1: it to be a monster because a lot of times
18:58
Speaker 1: they're killing human monsters or just people who compared to
19:05
Speaker 1: the vampire UM aren't great. Right, Yeah, Okay, there are
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Speaker 1: a lot of witches we could talk about. This is
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Speaker 1: something that I was kind of like monsters. I don't
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Speaker 1: know if they count, but I didn't want to include
19:18
Speaker 1: some of them. Um. We do have the witches from
19:21
Speaker 1: The Craft, which I only watched recently because of this show. Really,
19:25
Speaker 1: I feel like you've missed really iconic like female bonding movies.
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Speaker 1: Apparently I did. I will make a list. I'm ready
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Speaker 1: to go. Um, the the s the witch from the
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Speaker 1: Conjuring that you mentioned, Um, and I guess Annabelle would count,
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Speaker 1: even though annabel was more of a demon possession situation.
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Speaker 1: Old spirit for sure. Yeah, and I thought it might
19:47
Speaker 1: be male. I don't think so so. In the origin huh. Yeah,
19:52
Speaker 1: look name a Wan, James Wan, John Wayne Those, John
20:01
Speaker 1: James Wong. He I think he's done some really good things.
20:04
Speaker 1: And I know they're all kind of follow the same
20:06
Speaker 1: little idea, but like he did, I don't know if
20:09
Speaker 1: it was him that did the Annabel one, but it
20:11
Speaker 1: goes to the origin story of Annabel. Yes, yes, and
20:16
Speaker 1: they go into it's like they live in a nineteen
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Speaker 1: forties fifty sixties Lombow stretch and the it's an orphanage.
20:24
Speaker 1: It's like a small homemade orphanage with a few nuns
20:28
Speaker 1: here there of course. Um, and it begins with the
20:32
Speaker 1: death of this couple's baby. And so whether or not
20:36
Speaker 1: and I can't quite remember if it was adopted or
20:39
Speaker 1: like what it was always a spirit or always been
20:42
Speaker 1: possessed whatever whatnot, and then it comes on to possess
20:46
Speaker 1: and become Annabel or whatever whatnot. So yes, I think,
20:50
Speaker 1: I don't know if maybe it's also gender neutral, who
20:52
Speaker 1: knows neces a gender, but yes, it possesses a young girl.
20:59
Speaker 1: Though maybe that's a spoiler alert. I haven't seen that.
21:03
Speaker 1: I saw that movie on a plane, but I think
21:05
Speaker 1: it landed right at the like end, you know, And
21:07
Speaker 1: I just never saw of course, because we talked about
21:10
Speaker 1: this again as children, but this time it's all young girls. Um.
21:15
Speaker 1: And as of course again orphans always orphans if that's
21:18
Speaker 1: the thing, either here or any orphan or your demon orphan. Um.
21:23
Speaker 1: But yeah, they definitely set it up as a regular
21:26
Speaker 1: trope type of here it is. Yeah. Um hm, so
21:31
Speaker 1: I don't think not a witch but a demon demon,
21:34
Speaker 1: gender neutral demon that goes into a girl. Will say
21:36
Speaker 1: it that way? How interesting hard phrase these things without
21:39
Speaker 1: sounding very strange? Um? So I was thinking about the
21:56
Speaker 1: witches from the Witch, which I don't that one is
21:59
Speaker 1: I think within the realm of I don't want to
22:01
Speaker 1: spoil it, but um, they do some monstrous things. I
22:08
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know where I land on that one.
22:10
Speaker 1: I don't There's a lot of illusion, like it's kind
22:12
Speaker 1: of towards things, but it's a slow burn it's a
22:14
Speaker 1: slow burn movie. Yes, So to me, it's kind of
22:17
Speaker 1: like the along the lines of buppa Duke and that slow, slow, slow,
22:21
Speaker 1: unfolding slash how deep do you let it go into
22:24
Speaker 1: your mind? Yeah type of thing, And a lot of
22:27
Speaker 1: it does feel like um metaphor right, So I mean,
22:32
Speaker 1: I guess the truly monstrous thing in that movie is
22:34
Speaker 1: that she's coming into her sexuality, right, um or that's
22:39
Speaker 1: like not only that she's also sexualized by the brother. Yes. Yeah,
22:44
Speaker 1: And then there's also this confusion, the back and forth
22:47
Speaker 1: with a mom and the dad too. There's a whole
22:49
Speaker 1: there's a whole thing. There is a whole thing. Um
22:53
Speaker 1: And this is a theme that happens all the time.
22:56
Speaker 1: But like I would say that in that movie Witchcraft,
23:00
Speaker 1: which is a sort of scene as like women liberating
23:03
Speaker 1: themselves from the patriarchy and like whatever way that they right, right,
23:08
Speaker 1: and then just becoming their own and shedding somethings, shedding
23:11
Speaker 1: some things like I would love to talk about that
23:14
Speaker 1: we should have like a spoiled like a whole episode
23:17
Speaker 1: for like, if you wanted to see any of these movies,
23:20
Speaker 1: don't don't listen to this. Yeah, you don't listen to it.
23:22
Speaker 1: But I want to talk about the Witch. Then there's
23:26
Speaker 1: the Grand High which from Rural Dolls the Witches, who
23:30
Speaker 1: appears young and beautiful but it's actually old and ugly.
23:34
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Angelica Houston, she was phenomenal. I was scared
23:40
Speaker 1: so long from that movie alone. But at the same time,
23:43
Speaker 1: I loved it because it also had like the calmness
23:45
Speaker 1: of an English movie, so it's not your American in
23:48
Speaker 1: your face like that. I would say. It was just
23:50
Speaker 1: like kind of like, hey, I'm a mouse or I'm this,
23:52
Speaker 1: and I'm just gonna walk around and oh no, there's
23:54
Speaker 1: a witch. Like it kind of starts doing that way.
23:58
Speaker 1: But Angelica Houston as always the like when she acts
24:03
Speaker 1: like she's so disgusted by children, I believe that any
24:06
Speaker 1: moment she's going to vomit, like she's phenomenal, phenomenal. Oh no,
24:09
Speaker 1: I had to watch that. See we had that movie
24:11
Speaker 1: when I was growing up, and I was so afraid
24:13
Speaker 1: of the cover, was scared. I didn't watch it was again,
24:17
Speaker 1: and you're right, it became this whole like Hagwich versus
24:21
Speaker 1: beautiful witch, and it was just this great dichotomy of
24:24
Speaker 1: what it was and who they really were and how
24:26
Speaker 1: awful they were. Maybe it does have something about motherhood.
24:30
Speaker 1: Maybe actually probably they just they just despies children. These
24:34
Speaker 1: women despies children were the monsters were just like, look
24:41
Speaker 1: at the feminism of the shot. I I enjoy it.
24:45
Speaker 1: I've long wanted to do my feminist movie viewings that
24:49
Speaker 1: reminds me of our next The next thing I have
24:51
Speaker 1: on the list Hocax Focus, which is coming back to theaters. Yeah,
24:53
Speaker 1: I have a ticket for it because I watched this
24:55
Speaker 1: movie so much when I was a kid. It was
24:57
Speaker 1: banned from our house. Really until I got to college,
25:00
Speaker 1: like from eight years old and Dell College, I didn't
25:03
Speaker 1: see Hocus Focus on. My parents were like, never will
25:07
Speaker 1: this play. Oh, that's the trick that that's when you
25:11
Speaker 1: just get that one movie for that kid, be like
25:12
Speaker 1: stopped talking, watch your same movie. I think that it
25:15
Speaker 1: even in like in the background, wore them out. And
25:17
Speaker 1: in fact, I rented it so many times from Blockbuster
25:20
Speaker 1: they eventually were like, keep it. You've earned this, You've
25:25
Speaker 1: paid for it five times. Now just just take it.
25:29
Speaker 1: You made a payment plan. I mean, hocus Pocus is phenomenal.
25:32
Speaker 1: I had it in like the Blockbuster case. The actual
25:37
Speaker 1: cover looked like you stole it. Yeah. And then we
25:40
Speaker 1: Samantha and I were recently in Orlando, and of course
25:42
Speaker 1: we went to Disney World, which in August was having
25:45
Speaker 1: a Halloween celebration but not so scary, how Mickey is
25:49
Speaker 1: not so scary? Halloween party and the show that night
25:53
Speaker 1: we watched at midnight. UM was hocus Pocus based and
25:57
Speaker 1: it was great. And I've had Season of the Witch
25:59
Speaker 1: stuck in my head ever since. They did a phenomenal job,
26:02
Speaker 1: all of them that portrayed it and made this. I
26:04
Speaker 1: was wondering how they wouldn't do this and not be
26:06
Speaker 1: kitchy and over the top. That movie is pretty kitchy. No,
26:10
Speaker 1: but it's so well done. Come on and yeah, it's
26:14
Speaker 1: a great movie. And I'm excited because I want to go.
26:16
Speaker 1: I don't know if I got my ticket yet, but yeah,
26:18
Speaker 1: that movie is definitely one for all time record, like
26:22
Speaker 1: cult classic level. I want to do next time I
26:25
Speaker 1: met karaoke, I want to sing I put a spill
26:27
Speaker 1: on you. Um. But yeah, I remember they grown when
26:32
Speaker 1: they were like, it's been twenty six years. I think
26:35
Speaker 1: all of us just grown, got angry and said why
26:39
Speaker 1: did you? Was that necessary? Didn't remind us? But how
26:44
Speaker 1: old we were? Dank you? But that's another Um. It's
26:48
Speaker 1: a fun one to include on this list, I think
26:51
Speaker 1: because their whole thing is that they're gonna suck the
26:55
Speaker 1: youth out of your children so that they can stay beautiful.
26:59
Speaker 1: And that's a pretty consistent theme and a lot of
27:02
Speaker 1: our hearts. Definitely like the snow white idea as well. Yeah,
27:06
Speaker 1: for sure. Um, and then you have yeah so also
27:11
Speaker 1: the classic witches of was it of Oz you have Glinda,
27:14
Speaker 1: the good Witch, and then the Wicked Witch of the West.
27:16
Speaker 1: They're all female, obviously, and they all represented the goodness
27:20
Speaker 1: and the bad and all of this, but it was
27:22
Speaker 1: all absolutely female. And the one powerful person was a
27:25
Speaker 1: fake but it was a man, but he was supposed
27:27
Speaker 1: to be the all powerful who could take all of
27:29
Speaker 1: these witches out, which I thought was kind of interesting
27:31
Speaker 1: as well. Yeah, I don't know, it's the horror movie,
27:33
Speaker 1: but shoes sometimes when that scene comes on where she's scared,
27:36
Speaker 1: like screeching across the sky about taking your dog when
27:40
Speaker 1: she melts, that scared me. Yeah, And the whole idea
27:43
Speaker 1: with Poppy Sue and we know the whole book book
27:46
Speaker 1: in itself was political, but yeah, I always thought that
27:49
Speaker 1: was an interesting Yeah. I debated on including them because
27:53
Speaker 1: of Wicked because then they're kind of painted as good,
27:58
Speaker 1: right friends and good that they have been, you know,
28:01
Speaker 1: But I think that's the whole new thing is to
28:02
Speaker 1: take whatever was bad. Miller, But you didn't actually know
28:05
Speaker 1: the whole story, like Supernatural does that as well as
28:09
Speaker 1: once once upon a time on the ABC Show they
28:11
Speaker 1: would do that as well. Well, that's the fun part
28:14
Speaker 1: of a complex bill and is usually they have something
28:16
Speaker 1: that you can write really to the weird Sisters or
28:20
Speaker 1: the wayward Sisters and from Shakespeare. Um, still the female
28:25
Speaker 1: alien hybrid from SPC. So we're moving away from which
28:27
Speaker 1: is now so we're moving gone, okay, so we got
28:29
Speaker 1: the hybrid from which, by the way, super scary movie.
28:33
Speaker 1: I just remember the one scene of her kissing and
28:35
Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, I pretty much blocked that movie from
28:37
Speaker 1: my memory. I saw when I was a kid, and
28:38
Speaker 1: I was like, no, no, beautiful model woman who turns
28:42
Speaker 1: into a monster, got it? Um? And then there's Carrie
28:45
Speaker 1: from Carrie and I know, like you were talking about
28:49
Speaker 1: the fact that this is also probably up there with
28:51
Speaker 1: the fact that men are terrified of menstruating women. And
28:55
Speaker 1: even though she was not necessarily a monster, she is
28:57
Speaker 1: telekinetic and so therefore the mother the evil mother once again. Yeah,
29:02
Speaker 1: once again we were coming back to created this monster
29:06
Speaker 1: who is carry Yeah, so it kind of goes back
29:08
Speaker 1: to that mile and like theory of what is this
29:11
Speaker 1: I never would have included carry on this list, honestly,
29:14
Speaker 1: but she comes up on a lot of other people's list,
29:19
Speaker 1: so I figured we should mention her. But to me,
29:22
Speaker 1: I don't know. I guess she is telekinetic, right, So
29:24
Speaker 1: the whole thing is, yes, this horror movie level, But
29:27
Speaker 1: is she a monster? She becomes a monster created by
29:31
Speaker 1: being an outcast. And of course the very obvious signs
29:36
Speaker 1: of blood and menstruating means that she's done something evil,
29:39
Speaker 1: which was the most of the mother has translated that
29:42
Speaker 1: to be. And so therefore, men, if you're menstruating, your evil. Yeah,
29:46
Speaker 1: I guess so that's what I've been told. And I
29:50
Speaker 1: suppose along those lines, I'm a fire starter. Yeah, trying
29:54
Speaker 1: a child that will set you a fire more as
29:57
Speaker 1: a child, pretty scary. Yeah. H. Then there's the main
30:01
Speaker 1: character from Teeth, which is a movie I know I've
30:05
Speaker 1: mentioned before about Vagina Dentata. Uh, And to be clear,
30:12
Speaker 1: Vagina Dentata is not the monster, but she uses it
30:16
Speaker 1: in a pretty like monster type way. And yeah, I
30:20
Speaker 1: feel like, again this reflects our anxiety around female sexuality.
30:24
Speaker 1: You can't trust women, they aren't what they seem, um,
30:27
Speaker 1: and this movie kind of falls into a whole genre
30:30
Speaker 1: of women wronged and that generally means raped and then
30:34
Speaker 1: getting revenge. And this is another genre where the monster
30:37
Speaker 1: label can get really murky, really really I mean revenge
30:41
Speaker 1: movies in general. Um uh, still monster perhaps, but not
30:46
Speaker 1: really in the way we're talking about today. Right. Then
30:49
Speaker 1: there's the creepy rogue AI, pretty often voiced by women,
30:54
Speaker 1: sometimes even a female avatar, like in the classic Resident Evil.
31:01
Speaker 1: So I'm thinking like she or no her, Well, not
31:07
Speaker 1: a monster, but it's a um ex makina though that
31:12
Speaker 1: is a good example, like a rogue. The new Hilary
31:17
Speaker 1: Sweat movie that's on Netflix. She there's an AI that
31:22
Speaker 1: takes care of this human child, and then there's a
31:24
Speaker 1: battle between who are you going to believe who's the
31:27
Speaker 1: actually evil villain? Oh? How interesting? Um. There are a
31:32
Speaker 1: lot of female ghosts that are I guess evil, like
31:37
Speaker 1: Lady in Black. That's the first one that comes to
31:39
Speaker 1: my mind. But so there's that, you know, um, and
31:42
Speaker 1: then there is other Mother from Coraline, which by the way,
31:46
Speaker 1: I refused to see because it looks creepy as hell
31:49
Speaker 1: is like I just saw the button eyes, but and
31:51
Speaker 1: I was like, nope, it's good. It's good. Um. They
31:55
Speaker 1: have a are they used to at the Center for
31:57
Speaker 1: Puppet Yards. They had a little set piece from it
31:59
Speaker 1: was haunt me. Um. And speaking of children, there's also
32:03
Speaker 1: we see this in children's books. A recent study from
32:06
Speaker 1: The Observer found that not only our children's books twice
32:08
Speaker 1: as likely to contain male main characters and there are
32:11
Speaker 1: far more likely to have speaking roles compared to female characters,
32:14
Speaker 1: and villains were eight times more likely to be male.
32:19
Speaker 1: And the researchers at that paper are pretty good at
32:22
Speaker 1: explaining why that is such a problem, especially at a
32:25
Speaker 1: formative age, something you're reading to your children or that
32:27
Speaker 1: they're reading. Um, can we talk about why so many
32:30
Speaker 1: of the children's books and children's stories have their parents
32:32
Speaker 1: killed off? It's because the story wouldn't happen if someone
32:36
Speaker 1: was there to be like, hey, kid, go into the
32:39
Speaker 1: woods and talk to this creepy already I think it's
32:42
Speaker 1: problematic another episode. Um. There are some famous fictional serial
32:48
Speaker 1: killers I did want to mention because they have this
32:50
Speaker 1: sort of supernatural element to them. Um, Jason's mom from
32:54
Speaker 1: the original Friday the Thirteenth, Although Jason is more the
32:57
Speaker 1: one that's like if you've seen the whole series, which
33:00
Speaker 1: I embarrassingly have. Um, he's like a demon, right, but
33:04
Speaker 1: there's a whole thing. Um. And then Mrs Lomas from
33:07
Speaker 1: Scream Too, because I love Scream Too and I just
33:10
Speaker 1: watched it. How did that come up? Yesterday? You were talking,
33:13
Speaker 1: oh when you put a reference to that, and no
33:15
Speaker 1: one except for Lauren from Saber and we were all like, hell, Cassandra,
33:23
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, Lauren's always got my back, She's got
33:26
Speaker 1: your story. Um. And there are some famous, not so
33:29
Speaker 1: recent ish examples, like the Bride of Frankenstein from five,
33:34
Speaker 1: who doesn't show U until the very end of the film.
33:36
Speaker 1: And I read very funny, like two different interpretations of
33:40
Speaker 1: this film. Either the bride screwed everything up by rejecting
33:44
Speaker 1: the monster because if you don't know at the end,
33:46
Speaker 1: she's like no, or the monster was an entitled doe
33:51
Speaker 1: got mad't know, lady're rejecting him, which consign sounds one
33:55
Speaker 1: and the same again because of rejection towards the monster
33:58
Speaker 1: Man Man Monster. How interesting. Then there's Jacula's daughter from
34:04
Speaker 1: ninety six, who tries to overcome the curse of her
34:07
Speaker 1: father by finding an immortal mate. Okay, I gotta find
34:12
Speaker 1: a man or else you're doing to monster hood. And
34:16
Speaker 1: then there's the Invisible Woman who has an invisible baby
34:19
Speaker 1: with an invisible man. Of course, oh, how could you
34:24
Speaker 1: imagine if it would it be half invisible? So would
34:26
Speaker 1: it be like if she went with a not invisible man, oh,
34:33
Speaker 1: assuming it had a lot um. Then there is the
34:37
Speaker 1: cat Woman from Cat People, which is the n film
34:43
Speaker 1: about a woman who can't have sex or she'll turn
34:46
Speaker 1: into a panther. I mean we all know that, right
34:51
Speaker 1: every time I have sex to a cat of some sorts. Um,
34:56
Speaker 1: And that movie plays a lot with gas lighting, because
34:58
Speaker 1: even when there is like scientific evidence that yes, she
35:01
Speaker 1: does her into a panther she has sex, no one
35:05
Speaker 1: believes her. Of course, the evils women in sex. Then
35:09
Speaker 1: there is the wasp Woman from The Lost Woman. This
35:13
Speaker 1: film depicts a woman who successfully founded a cosmetic company
35:17
Speaker 1: but is desperate to find a way to maintain her youth.
35:20
Speaker 1: Her cosmetics are not doing it for her, so she
35:22
Speaker 1: formulates an anti aging product with royal jelly from bees,
35:27
Speaker 1: with herself as the test subject. But of course side
35:30
Speaker 1: effects may include turning into a lost woman. I feel
35:33
Speaker 1: like we definitely have a theme here with the whole
35:35
Speaker 1: age and baby. Definitely blood and sex because I'm just
35:39
Speaker 1: thinking about the fact that who who was the the
35:43
Speaker 1: woman who bathes herself in blood trying to stay younger,
35:46
Speaker 1: but she was an actual woman, um, and that was
35:49
Speaker 1: one of the reasons that kind of that whole monster
35:52
Speaker 1: theme began because of her legend. But anyway, I just
35:56
Speaker 1: I just find that fascinating. And then we have the
35:58
Speaker 1: young pigtailed girl from nineteen The Bad Seed, which, by
36:03
Speaker 1: the way, I'm going to these last three movies we
36:05
Speaker 1: just talked about. I have no idea what these movies are.
36:07
Speaker 1: I've never heard of these movies, and I'm both horrified
36:11
Speaker 1: and intrigued. Yeah, well I've seen I haven't seen um like,
36:16
Speaker 1: I've seen them maybe once when I was young. Uh,
36:20
Speaker 1: and I just remember thinking they were kind of silly.
36:23
Speaker 1: But the Bad Seed did scare me actually, um, but
36:28
Speaker 1: worth checking out if you're at all interested in this
36:31
Speaker 1: female monster thing. Um. We have some female monsters of history.
36:36
Speaker 1: But first we have a quick break for word from
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Speaker 1: our sponsor and we're back, thank you sponsored. So, of course,
36:56
Speaker 1: one of the first female monsters that comes from my
36:59
Speaker 1: mind in an old school is the Gorgon slash Medusa
37:04
Speaker 1: from Greek mythology is actually one of the first things
37:06
Speaker 1: that I was ever proud of drawing. But then I
37:09
Speaker 1: had to admit that I traced it when everyone was
37:11
Speaker 1: complimenting me and asking me how I drew such a
37:13
Speaker 1: good pa, I traced it. I would have believed it. Um.
37:18
Speaker 1: To fill you in on her back story, the god
37:21
Speaker 1: Poseidon raped her in Athena's temple, uh, and Athena, outraged
37:26
Speaker 1: that this could happen in her temple, punished who Medusa.
37:31
Speaker 1: This is such a biblical Old Testament idea, the thought
37:35
Speaker 1: being with this punishment that she's so hideous men that
37:40
Speaker 1: dared to look upon her would turn to stone. Then
37:42
Speaker 1: it would never happen again. Of course that's like the
37:44
Speaker 1: easiest way. Um. So that is an example of women
37:49
Speaker 1: not supporting women and some of that. Yeah, yeah, I
37:54
Speaker 1: think that's the pretty we can say that with confidence.
37:57
Speaker 1: And some versions of this tale Perseus state this is
38:00
Speaker 1: a well earned punishment for Medusa. That's the most terrifying
38:05
Speaker 1: thing of the story. I feel like, yeah, that translates
38:09
Speaker 1: a little too well. I know, I'm very uncomfortable with
38:12
Speaker 1: how well it translates. So Another female monster from the
38:16
Speaker 1: Greek mythology are the sirens, who lured mostly male sellers
38:19
Speaker 1: to their destruction with their beautiful songs. The most well
38:23
Speaker 1: known depiction is in the Odyssey, ody Has, warned of
38:26
Speaker 1: their power, had himself tied to his ship's mass while
38:29
Speaker 1: his crew put wax in their ears to block out
38:31
Speaker 1: the sirens call. These creatures, by the way, were hybrids
38:35
Speaker 1: with the bodies of birds and the heads of women,
38:37
Speaker 1: which that's sexy sexy uh. And in some tales they
38:41
Speaker 1: were persephonese companions, and when they failed to stop her rape,
38:45
Speaker 1: they were turned into sirens, which seems to be a
38:47
Speaker 1: common theme in Greek mythology punishing women for rape. It
38:51
Speaker 1: seems to be it's already come up twice to exist,
38:56
Speaker 1: so the sirens seemed to originate after the Greeks had
38:59
Speaker 1: contact with Eastern art. Sirens were extremely confident in their talents.
39:03
Speaker 1: They unsuccessfully challenged the Muses, and the Muses being the
39:06
Speaker 1: nine Greek goddesses of various arts. Legend goes a sign
39:10
Speaker 1: invested in musically by mortal must die. Also in the Odyssey,
39:17
Speaker 1: Scilla and Carabas sisters who were cursed to be ugly
39:21
Speaker 1: as punishment for their misdeeds. No greater punishment of course.
39:26
Speaker 1: Um Sila was a six headed rock monster. Why wild
39:30
Speaker 1: Cards was a sea monster just snacking on poor loss sailors.
39:35
Speaker 1: You know I could do so sad. Then there are heartpies,
39:40
Speaker 1: Greek and Roman mythical monsters with the body of a bird,
39:43
Speaker 1: usually a vulture, and the face of an old woman.
39:46
Speaker 1: In early legends they were not depicted that way, but
39:48
Speaker 1: in the legend of Jason and the Argonauts, which is
39:50
Speaker 1: probably one of the most well known uh, they were
39:53
Speaker 1: portrayed as half bird, half women and quite revolting, like
39:57
Speaker 1: they stank. They stole your food, and that was one
40:00
Speaker 1: of the first times that it was written this kind
40:03
Speaker 1: of signature move of theirs, that they steal your food. Um.
40:07
Speaker 1: Their name is derived from a Greek word meaning snatchers.
40:10
Speaker 1: They abducted people, usually evildoers, and cruelly punished them while
40:15
Speaker 1: taking them to the furies. They are thought to The
40:19
Speaker 1: harpies are thought to represent wind spirits, in my opinion,
40:24
Speaker 1: most terrifyingly portrayed in the Last Unicorn. And in case
40:27
Speaker 1: you're wondering, there is in fact an entire essay written
40:30
Speaker 1: about the Feminism of the Last Unicorn, and I have
40:32
Speaker 1: read it. Really I love that movie. It's on my
40:37
Speaker 1: list of terrifying children's You had to be it, must
40:41
Speaker 1: have you must have rented it because you were too
40:43
Speaker 1: young for that movie. We owned it. I don't know
40:46
Speaker 1: that we're talking about the Tom Cruise movie Tom Crew.
40:49
Speaker 1: Oh no, no, no, I'm sorry, I'm that's legend. That's legend.
40:55
Speaker 1: So confused because legend has it is based on a
40:58
Speaker 1: unicorn is Oh my god, and that's Tim Curry being
41:02
Speaker 1: a frightening, frightening Well, I want to see this. Its
41:06
Speaker 1: poor quality. That's the Last Corn Okay, okay, okay, yeah,
41:10
Speaker 1: now I'm there. Never mind keeping two movies to watch. Um.
41:16
Speaker 1: This whole thing, the heartbe is where the insult heartpie
41:20
Speaker 1: comes from, meaning a foul or unpleasant woman. UM. A
41:24
Speaker 1: picture of a rare heartpie eagle went viral yesterday as
41:29
Speaker 1: we record this, due to its resemblance to a human. Um.
41:33
Speaker 1: It really is cool. Look it up like this. This eagle,
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Speaker 1: in in particular, which is named after the herpe from
41:39
Speaker 1: Greek mythology, looks amazing and weird and you can't believe
41:43
Speaker 1: it exists. So check it out. And that that that
41:46
Speaker 1: brings us to the furies or the arenes or the
41:51
Speaker 1: human ideas from Greco Roman mythology, and these are the
41:56
Speaker 1: goddesses of vengeance, frequently depicted as how with snakes in
42:00
Speaker 1: their hair and snakes wrapped around their arms, and blood
42:03
Speaker 1: dripping from their eyes, dressed in black, carrying whips. In
42:08
Speaker 1: their first incarnation, they were the ghost of murdered people,
42:12
Speaker 1: or perhaps like curses comb to life. The Greek poet
42:15
Speaker 1: Hessiad conceived of them as the daughters of Gaya Argaia
42:19
Speaker 1: birth from the blood of her murdered spouse Urinus, as
42:23
Speaker 1: a pretty dark origin story. The first to describe them
42:26
Speaker 1: in three, because normally now we think of them in
42:29
Speaker 1: threes was Euripides. Eventually they were named Alecto which means
42:34
Speaker 1: unceasing and anger tis a phony, avenger of murder, and
42:41
Speaker 1: mcgara jealous and I got that pronunciation from the animated Hercules,
42:46
Speaker 1: so that is probably not correct, although that is an
42:48
Speaker 1: interesting kind of side because there are three I believe
42:51
Speaker 1: there's three characters that kind of represent the furies in
42:54
Speaker 1: that movie. Um. They the furies were frequently depicted as
42:57
Speaker 1: spirits of the underworld that came to the of Us
43:00
Speaker 1: to punish the wicked, particularly crimes around family and oaths.
43:04
Speaker 1: Their punishment could be something like disease or madness. They
43:08
Speaker 1: were so feared by the Greeks that they referred to
43:12
Speaker 1: the furies and euphemistic terms like the furies or the
43:17
Speaker 1: gracious ones, like be nice to them, call them nice things,
43:21
Speaker 1: maybe they'll leave you alone. In the Iliad, they cloud
43:25
Speaker 1: people's judgment and reason. Homer wrote that they had no
43:29
Speaker 1: pity in their hearts, and they are sometimes called the
43:31
Speaker 1: daughters of night. They are the embodiment of righteous rage,
43:35
Speaker 1: and as such there are a lot of feminist articles
43:38
Speaker 1: written about them as well. A pretty current um also
43:42
Speaker 1: now the name of an Australian slasher movie is it? Yeah,
43:46
Speaker 1: that's what there was first results when I was searching
43:48
Speaker 1: on Google. I feel like I need to try to
43:50
Speaker 1: check that out. Of course, there's the succubus or that
43:53
Speaker 1: which lies beneath. Check out the full episode in our
43:56
Speaker 1: archives are more, but briefly, the succubus is a female
44:00
Speaker 1: sexual demon. That's my nickname playing. The legend of the
44:04
Speaker 1: psucupus is thousands of years old and transcend culture as
44:07
Speaker 1: jins and Arabic cultures. This demons m is approaching men
44:10
Speaker 1: while they're sleeping and seducing them. Laura suggests succubus are
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Speaker 1: the descendants of Lilith, which we're gonna get into in
44:16
Speaker 1: a second, because I know you're super excited about that.
44:20
Speaker 1: The succubus has taken on a sort of cultural second
44:23
Speaker 1: win lately. You can see that on our classic episode
44:26
Speaker 1: Can You Have Sex with a Ghost? Which is okay um,
44:30
Speaker 1: And also apparently that's where we talked about y'all talk
44:33
Speaker 1: about Kesha reported having sex with a ghost. Yeah, and
44:37
Speaker 1: that plays into a lot of um, sleep paralysis. Uh,
44:42
Speaker 1: there's very many actually scientific research into that very phenomenon.
44:47
Speaker 1: So yeah, check out that classic for more on that one.
44:52
Speaker 1: Then there's Banshees, another pretty famous female monster, although I
44:56
Speaker 1: guess she's just kinda trying to warn you generally. Um,
44:59
Speaker 1: she's from This is from Irish and Scottish lower. Sometimes
45:02
Speaker 1: the ghost of an old maid wailing about your impending
45:05
Speaker 1: probably violent death. Sometimes the visage of a beautiful maiden
45:09
Speaker 1: weeping about your impending death and some retelling. She can
45:13
Speaker 1: be found washing her flooded clothes in the river or
45:16
Speaker 1: brushing her hair with a silver comb, and modernly people
45:21
Speaker 1: think this this myth originated from the sounds of barn owls.
45:25
Speaker 1: And when I read that, I was like, oh, I
45:26
Speaker 1: can see that, because I've heard one. I had just
45:29
Speaker 1: watched the Mothman prophecies and there was a barn owl
45:33
Speaker 1: or a screech owl outside my window and it scared me, so,
45:39
Speaker 1: oh my god, I thought it was a mothman. But
45:41
Speaker 1: the next day my neighbor, who's kind of she knows
45:43
Speaker 1: a lot about nature, was like, no, that was just
45:44
Speaker 1: now you're fine. Um. But they also have kind of
45:48
Speaker 1: like white plumage that can look like a face, um,
45:53
Speaker 1: And they're very silent when they fly. So I can
45:57
Speaker 1: see how you might think it's a wheeling ghost of
45:59
Speaker 1: a woman who's warning you about your death because you're
46:02
Speaker 1: just anxious all the time. Well, I guess some warning
46:05
Speaker 1: would be good. It's a nerving sound. Oh my gosh. Well,
46:08
Speaker 1: then we have Grendel's mother from Beowulf, who is described
46:11
Speaker 1: as a woman monster wife. Embodying both light and dark
46:14
Speaker 1: sides of the feminine seems to be a common theme.
46:18
Speaker 1: When she's first mentioned in the poem, she's described as
46:21
Speaker 1: an avenger once against avenge revenge. There is a lot
46:25
Speaker 1: of themes of like getting justice, punishing people for doing wrong, um,
46:31
Speaker 1: and then there This is one of the most interesting
46:33
Speaker 1: inclusions on our list. I think Baba Yaga here we
46:36
Speaker 1: go from Russian folklore. I had to really try to
46:40
Speaker 1: keep raining in and they will not make the whole
46:42
Speaker 1: upset about her. She lives in a hut that has
46:45
Speaker 1: chicken legs. In some versions it spins on top of
46:49
Speaker 1: eggs and is bodecked in skulls, and she travels herself
46:53
Speaker 1: via mortar, mortar and festal. When someone visits her, she
46:58
Speaker 1: may eat you or offer to help you. That's the
47:01
Speaker 1: interesting thing about Bobby Iaga that a lot of UH
47:05
Speaker 1: historians think is unique is because in the very same
47:09
Speaker 1: story she can be like a trickster, murderer, a helper
47:13
Speaker 1: all in one woman. We contain multitudes um. Bobby i
47:18
Speaker 1: Aga is frequently depicted as an old woman crone or
47:21
Speaker 1: hag could be applied here nar old and toad like
47:23
Speaker 1: with long stringing gray hair and iron teeth or no teeth.
47:27
Speaker 1: Sometimes she has written as traveling with death and feeding
47:31
Speaker 1: on deaths, newly released souls and yes, when looking at
47:36
Speaker 1: the wealth of information that has been written about her,
47:38
Speaker 1: she is sometimes maternalistic and others cannibalistic. Probably the most
47:43
Speaker 1: famous instance of Bobby Aga in literature is from Vasilisa
47:47
Speaker 1: the Beautiful. This Russian fairy tale follows Vashalisa, whose mother
47:52
Speaker 1: died when she was young. Before her death, the mother
47:54
Speaker 1: gave her a doll like no other doll in the world,
47:58
Speaker 1: instructing her daughter to never let anyone see it and
48:00
Speaker 1: carry it with her always. Those dolls, Those damn dolls,
48:03
Speaker 1: Those damn dolls. I actually, I actually pitched a whole
48:08
Speaker 1: episode on why do we think dolls are creepy? And
48:10
Speaker 1: everyone was like, no, I wanted to know. Um okay,
48:17
Speaker 1: so yeah, if she's carrying it with her always and
48:19
Speaker 1: if she's ever threatened by evil sorrow, the mother tells
48:22
Speaker 1: Vashaaliza to find an isolated corner or someplace that people
48:25
Speaker 1: won't see her, take the doll out, feed it, give
48:27
Speaker 1: it a little something to drink, and then tell it,
48:30
Speaker 1: um what's bothering her? And then the doll gets her
48:33
Speaker 1: some advice or will. And not soon after her mother's death,
48:37
Speaker 1: vashially said does this, She takes up the doll feeds
48:39
Speaker 1: it a little, gives it a drink, and then tells
48:41
Speaker 1: it about her grief of her mother dying, and the
48:44
Speaker 1: doll listens and then says, grief is worse at night
48:47
Speaker 1: and morning is wiser in the evening, and suggested that
48:51
Speaker 1: Vashalisa go to sleep, and Vashi Lisa found that she
48:54
Speaker 1: did feel better the next day. Meanwhile, her father had
48:58
Speaker 1: found a new wife, a widower about his age with
49:00
Speaker 1: two daughters. The woman and her children moved into their house,
49:04
Speaker 1: and Vasha Lisa quickly realized that her father's new wife
49:07
Speaker 1: was quite cruel. She wanted her father's wealth, and her
49:10
Speaker 1: and her daughters were envious of vasha Lisa's beauty. By
49:15
Speaker 1: giving her a lot of menial and difficult chores, they
49:17
Speaker 1: hoped to diminish her beauty, but Vashaalisa was resilient and
49:21
Speaker 1: she has that special doll. Years went by this way
49:24
Speaker 1: until Vasha Lisa reached marrying age oh no, and everyone
49:30
Speaker 1: wanted to marry her, of course, um and this made
49:32
Speaker 1: her stepmother and sisters even angrier. So when Vashelisa's father
49:37
Speaker 1: left to make a journey to another sardom, his wife
49:40
Speaker 1: packed up to all the stuff sold his house and
49:43
Speaker 1: moved everybody herself were daughters and Bashaalisa to a sad
49:46
Speaker 1: neighborhood bordering the wild woods outside of town, and every
49:50
Speaker 1: day her stepmother sent bass Elisa into the woods to
49:53
Speaker 1: compete various tasks. The stepmother did this knowing that Boba
49:58
Speaker 1: Yaga lived in these woods, who people believed eight people
50:02
Speaker 1: like one eats chickens and delicious. Her hope was that
50:08
Speaker 1: Vasha Lisa would encounter Boba Yaga and be eaten. The
50:12
Speaker 1: doll knew of Bobby Yaga and warned Vasha Lisa not
50:15
Speaker 1: to approach the hut on chicken legs fair, But the
50:20
Speaker 1: stepmother was determined and with the help of her daughter's
50:23
Speaker 1: orchestrated a situation where Vasha Lisa had to go to
50:26
Speaker 1: Baby Yaga to get more fire um. But Vasha Lisa
50:32
Speaker 1: does all of this instead of getting eaten. Bobby Iaga
50:36
Speaker 1: just is like, here's some impossible to ask, Let's see
50:38
Speaker 1: if you can do them. And because she has that doll,
50:42
Speaker 1: Vasha Lisa succeeds in these tasks and as a reward,
50:45
Speaker 1: Bobbyaga gives her one of her skull lanterns Awesome when
50:50
Speaker 1: Vasha Lisa returns home. The lantern sets the home of
50:53
Speaker 1: her terrible new family flame, killing them, and then she
50:57
Speaker 1: goes on to marry the Tsar the end however, after
51:01
Speaker 1: in this story, it's a great example Babba Yaga fiel
51:04
Speaker 1: filling many roles um, similar to what we discussed in
51:07
Speaker 1: our episode around the Mother Destroyer. Sometimes in other stories
51:11
Speaker 1: she is depicted as a goddess um or in others
51:14
Speaker 1: the manifestation of winter storms. Perhaps because of this enigmatic nature,
51:21
Speaker 1: she has become quite the popular figure on the internet,
51:25
Speaker 1: and yes is sometimes it's jokingly referred to as a
51:27
Speaker 1: feminist icon. I'm not mad that no, No, she unseated
51:33
Speaker 1: the Mermaid and Jezebel's next top creature race, beating out
51:37
Speaker 1: the Siren. That's fantastic. And in two thousand thirteen, the
51:41
Speaker 1: feminist website The Hairpin launched an advice column called Asked
51:45
Speaker 1: Baba Yaga that eventually became a book called Asked Babba
51:48
Speaker 1: Yahuga Otherworldly Advice for Everyday Troubles. The book's author, Tasia
51:52
Speaker 1: Kaskaya said of Baba Yaga that image of an old
51:56
Speaker 1: woman living in the woods doing whatever she wants all
51:58
Speaker 1: day long continue used to be the dream for myself.
52:01
Speaker 1: I love that I'm with her. I want to be there. Um.
52:05
Speaker 1: And then, when trying to get to the bottom of
52:06
Speaker 1: Bobba Yaga's popularity, academics thought it might be due to
52:09
Speaker 1: her ability to house a paradox the good, the evil,
52:13
Speaker 1: and the in between, to live outside moral codes and
52:15
Speaker 1: for women, specifically, her rejection of society's rules. Yeah, boom,
52:20
Speaker 1: I could see it, because I mean clearly I got
52:22
Speaker 1: I was you are like and you know what with
52:26
Speaker 1: all that? Yeah, let me do that. Um. And if
52:29
Speaker 1: you want to learn more about Bobby Yaga, you should
52:31
Speaker 1: check out the Stuff you missed in History Class episode,
52:33
Speaker 1: which is our podcast done by some of our wonderful
52:35
Speaker 1: co workers here, wonderful Piz Didira and Bobby Yaga. And briefly,
52:39
Speaker 1: if you're wondering, Pizza Diira is a supernatural crone from
52:42
Speaker 1: Brazilian folklore who lies and wait on roofs at night,
52:45
Speaker 1: waiting for some poor soul with a full stomach to
52:48
Speaker 1: fall asleep on their backs, stomach pacing up so that
52:51
Speaker 1: they can jump and trample on them. H And yeah,
52:55
Speaker 1: there is an entire scientific study examining Pizza Diira and
52:58
Speaker 1: her connection to sleeper elsis specifically her. That's a great monster.
53:04
Speaker 1: Roll over, just roll over. Now, all they do is
53:07
Speaker 1: jump on your stomach. It's like a cartoon coming to
53:09
Speaker 1: Life's amazing. Well, you know, I'm sure it's probably pretty violent.
53:14
Speaker 1: I sure. I mean if you really get down to it.
53:16
Speaker 1: But then at the time time you're like what my
53:20
Speaker 1: cousin used to tell me that if I fell asleep
53:22
Speaker 1: on my back, I wouldn't survive to see the morning.
53:25
Speaker 1: Into this day, I can't sleep on my back. Yeah,
53:28
Speaker 1: it's because she said there was something like waiting under
53:30
Speaker 1: your bed and it would it could only stab you
53:32
Speaker 1: through the back. So to this day, I cannot sleep
53:36
Speaker 1: on my back. A really specific tale, it was. It
53:39
Speaker 1: was quite specific. Speaking of specific tales, this brings us
53:42
Speaker 1: is probably my favorite part, right. Lilith lilith Um and
53:46
Speaker 1: some Jewish religious interpretations. Lilith, who was Adam's first wife,
53:51
Speaker 1: went on to become the mother of all the monsters,
53:54
Speaker 1: so the mother of everything we're talking about here, after
53:58
Speaker 1: refusing to submit to the missionary position like sexual mission. Yes, cool, Okay,
54:06
Speaker 1: So this whole idea of like the missionary position and
54:09
Speaker 1: all that this comes from a medieval Jewish text called
54:14
Speaker 1: the Alphabet of Binsurah, which a lot of historians believe
54:18
Speaker 1: could be satirical. Um. But okay, Lilith was created with
54:24
Speaker 1: the earth, as was Adam, and had many strong opinions
54:29
Speaker 1: from love. Very start, she said to Adam, I will
54:34
Speaker 1: not lie below, to which he responded, I will not
54:37
Speaker 1: lie beneath you, but only on top, for you are
54:40
Speaker 1: fit only to be in the bottom position, while I
54:43
Speaker 1: am to be the superior one. Lilith snapped back, we
54:47
Speaker 1: are equal to each other inasmuch as we were both
54:50
Speaker 1: created from the earth. And then when Adam still wouldn't
54:54
Speaker 1: like listen to her, she flew away. She she took
54:58
Speaker 1: God's name in vain, which was a huge Judeo um,
55:01
Speaker 1: and flew away. And then Adam was like, oh God,
55:05
Speaker 1: like literally God, she flew away, What will I do?
55:09
Speaker 1: And God sent three angels after her to persuade Lilith
55:13
Speaker 1: to return, inform her that if she refused, one of
55:16
Speaker 1: her children, a ka demons would die each night. And
55:20
Speaker 1: lili refused. She said nope, I'm not coming back, and
55:24
Speaker 1: she promised to leave children human children who wore an
55:27
Speaker 1: amulet to ward her off alone. So because she was like,
55:31
Speaker 1: I won't eat all of your human children as long
55:35
Speaker 1: as they take some precautions. They threatened to drown her
55:39
Speaker 1: in the I think the Red Sea, when that's why
55:41
Speaker 1: she agreed. Um, and yes, there was an ancient practice
55:44
Speaker 1: of giving children an ambulance inscribed with the names of
55:47
Speaker 1: the three angels that was meant to keep Olilith away.
55:50
Speaker 1: Lilith also is frequently condemned for wondering about at night,
55:54
Speaker 1: vexing the sons of men and causing them to defile themselves.
55:58
Speaker 1: Oh jeez. Lilis story is complex and fascinating. The first
56:03
Speaker 1: known reference of her goes back to Samrian list of
56:06
Speaker 1: demons from two thousand, four hundred BC. Lelu demons were
56:10
Speaker 1: similar to Succuby, who seduced sleeping men in order to
56:14
Speaker 1: produce demonic children. Iterations of her appeared in ancient Egyptian, Greek,
56:19
Speaker 1: and Israeli legends. Got the name checked her and Fast
56:23
Speaker 1: in Ulysses by James Joyce, she is labeled as the
56:27
Speaker 1: patron of abortions. In C. S. Lewis's Chronicles of Narnia,
56:32
Speaker 1: she is the ancestor of the White which I didn't
56:35
Speaker 1: know that She's mentioned in the Chronicles of Naria. A
56:39
Speaker 1: tablet from the seventh or eighth century BC found in
56:41
Speaker 1: Syria mentioned Lilith, ohe you who fly in the darkened room,
56:45
Speaker 1: be off with you? This instant Lilith, thief, breaker of bones,
56:49
Speaker 1: so scary like that, I'm gonna put that out somewhere.
56:52
Speaker 1: In some versions of the story she made it with
56:54
Speaker 1: the archangel Samuel. In other versions a demon which I've
56:58
Speaker 1: seen versions where she's sister God, not necessarily the darkness
57:03
Speaker 1: or whatever, but not necessarily the wife of Adam. Yeah,
57:06
Speaker 1: I mean that's another thing, is there is interpretation around
57:10
Speaker 1: that she never was Adam's wife. Um. A lot of
57:15
Speaker 1: discussion around the lift. But when we wanted to touch
57:18
Speaker 1: on Judas Plasco wrote a parable in nineteen seventy two
57:22
Speaker 1: about her about Lilith called the Coming of Lilith, reframing
57:26
Speaker 1: the story in a similar way that Wicked did with
57:28
Speaker 1: the Wizard of Oz as we could win to the West.
57:30
Speaker 1: In the parable, she fled for refusing to be treated
57:33
Speaker 1: as lesser than Adam, who she regarded as her equal,
57:36
Speaker 1: and was viciously slandered for it. And then she and
57:40
Speaker 1: even looking for some women some support, they became fast friends,
57:45
Speaker 1: and Lilis sort of became a feminist hero after that,
57:49
Speaker 1: an image helped along by the nineteen six launch of
57:51
Speaker 1: Lilith magazine, complete with the tagline independent, Jewish and frankly feminist.
57:56
Speaker 1: And in the all female music festival, it is fair,
58:00
Speaker 1: of course, a little fair. I love that. And then
58:02
Speaker 1: you know, as you were talking about the retelling of
58:05
Speaker 1: the stories, and like a lot of the pop culture,
58:07
Speaker 1: which has been a new thing to bring Lilith back
58:09
Speaker 1: up supernatural that kind of revamped her story and that
58:12
Speaker 1: as well, and she was also in True Blood. They
58:14
Speaker 1: don't necessarily revamp part of that storyline. Um, but some
58:18
Speaker 1: modern witches and pagans invoke Lilith in their practices and rights,
58:22
Speaker 1: especially those involving the darker side of the feminine. So yeah,
58:25
Speaker 1: like goals around money or writers. Yeah, which if any
58:30
Speaker 1: listeners are involved, and uh, these kinds of practices and rights,
58:34
Speaker 1: So we'd love to hear from Oh my gosh, I
58:37
Speaker 1: could talk about Lilith. There's so much to say about this. Actually,
58:41
Speaker 1: one of my favorite books is um called Lilith, and
58:44
Speaker 1: it's kind of reclaiming the name because then for a
58:47
Speaker 1: while the name was just seen as like evil. I
58:51
Speaker 1: do like this brings us to the end of our
58:53
Speaker 1: history of monsters, even though there's so many that we
58:56
Speaker 1: could include, and so many of these that could be
58:59
Speaker 1: fleshed out into full episodes. But I do think it's
59:02
Speaker 1: interesting ending on Lilith, like this mother of monster idea
59:06
Speaker 1: that we've been touching on the whole time. Um, and
59:09
Speaker 1: we can see these themes over and over again of
59:12
Speaker 1: like motherhood and revenge and justice and just kind of punishing, right,
59:22
Speaker 1: which is the dark side of the feminine. I mean,
59:26
Speaker 1: Lilith is kind of the ark of being a feminist
59:28
Speaker 1: saying hell no, hell no. Okay, well, yeah, we have
59:35
Speaker 1: a little bit more for you, but first we're going
59:37
Speaker 1: to pause for one more quick break forward from our sponsor,
59:53
Speaker 1: and we're back. Thank you, Thank you, Thank you monsters,
59:58
Speaker 1: and also thank you sponsors who are not monsters. Well
1:00:04
Speaker 1: it's on my brain, okay, yes, Um. We did want
1:00:09
Speaker 1: to touch on some things that are changing because we
1:00:11
Speaker 1: have given what I feel like are some pretty great
1:00:14
Speaker 1: examples of female monsters and what they can be. We've
1:00:17
Speaker 1: given some not so great ones as well, but there
1:00:19
Speaker 1: is still this monster gap that we touched on the
1:00:22
Speaker 1: beginning um and some badass women out there are trying
1:00:26
Speaker 1: to make things more equal when it comes to our
1:00:28
Speaker 1: betrayal around monsters. Theodora Goss got a pH d in
1:00:33
Speaker 1: English in part by writing a four page dissertation on
1:00:36
Speaker 1: Victorian monsters, and she wanted to remedy this whole thing,
1:00:40
Speaker 1: or at least do her part to remedy it, by
1:00:42
Speaker 1: writing a short called The Mad Scientist's Daughter, which follows
1:00:45
Speaker 1: Katherine Monroe, Justine Frankenstein, and Diana Hyde. And she built
1:00:51
Speaker 1: upon that universe with the novel The Strange Case of
1:00:54
Speaker 1: the Alchemist's Daughter, which I kind of love that. Yeah,
1:00:57
Speaker 1: I love the whole plotline. And when it comes to
1:00:59
Speaker 1: out entertainment, for so long, women have only been allowed
1:01:02
Speaker 1: to exist within the framework of the male gaze. And
1:01:05
Speaker 1: we talked about before, if she's not sexualized, she's ridiculously
1:01:08
Speaker 1: de sexualized. And if these horror examples shows anything, we
1:01:11
Speaker 1: are still grappling with our fear of women's sexuality. Obviously
1:01:15
Speaker 1: so minor, minor thing to tackle, right, but that that's
1:01:18
Speaker 1: that play in all of this um our discomfort with
1:01:22
Speaker 1: women who don't behave how we expect them to, of
1:01:24
Speaker 1: women who step outside the narrow box we've deemed appropriate
1:01:27
Speaker 1: for femininity. That's another thing that's in play at play
1:01:30
Speaker 1: and all this, And I do think it's interesting that, Um,
1:01:32
Speaker 1: like we said at the top, male monsters are frequently
1:01:35
Speaker 1: allowed sympathy and female monsters are not. They're not as
1:01:40
Speaker 1: fleshed out, they're not as a whole of characters. UM.
1:01:44
Speaker 1: And this very thing and the fact that women commit
1:01:47
Speaker 1: murder at much lower rates than men contribute to a
1:01:49
Speaker 1: culture that sensatialized female murderers. UM. So there's a lot
1:01:55
Speaker 1: to talk about, so many things when it comes to
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Speaker 1: female monsters and not uh nerdy stuff. I was getting
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Speaker 1: to talk about one of my favorite things at least, right.
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Speaker 1: I love that knows I learned a lot. See how
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Speaker 1: passionate you are, and it's fantastic. Yeah, I got I
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Speaker 1: have a lot of passionate. That's very diplomatic where I'm
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Speaker 1: saying it. Um, we would love to hear from listeners
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Speaker 1: if there's any uh monsters that you want to uh
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Speaker 1: want us to return to, or that we didn't mention
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Speaker 1: our movies, that we should watch, books we should read.
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Speaker 1: You can send those our way before we get into
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Speaker 1: our our outro. Officially, though we do have some shout outs.
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Speaker 1: We do have shout outs. So of course to backtrack
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Speaker 1: with all of our love for horror movies, and I
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Speaker 1: picked a couple out which you may have already heard,
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Speaker 1: that are women in horror movie genres or talking about
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Speaker 1: mysteries of swords. So Women in Caskets, which is one
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Speaker 1: podcast which I know, I think it's got a pretty
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Speaker 1: big following anyway, but I was like, oh, this is cool, which,
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Speaker 1: by the way, when I googled it without the word podcast,
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Speaker 1: I got some really bad pictures. Don't do that. Don't
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Speaker 1: do that. Um. And then Switchblade Sisters, which is also
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Speaker 1: another great little podcasts, great to look into. Again, they
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Speaker 1: probably all have pretty big followings. But if y'all are
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Speaker 1: interested and I have not heard of these, jump on it.
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Speaker 1: If you'll know more that I need to get it
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Speaker 1: into or especially and he needs to get into it obviously. Um.
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Speaker 1: Remember I was trying to I needed we need to
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Speaker 1: reach out to Tan yet because she was posting about
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