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NBA Playoffs Banter: Recap Game 1 Indy/Haliburton Comeback & OKC Game 2 Win! Will Series Go 6 or 7? · The Rope A Dope Radio Podcast

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  Speaker 1: NBA basketball fans, Welcome back to the NBA Playoff Banter Podcast.
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  Speaker 2: He's Marshall, I'm Chris, and we're here to talk about
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  Speaker 2: the first two games of the NBA Finals.
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  Speaker 1: Obviously, you know, the Pacers made their comeback, the customary
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  Speaker 1: comeback with the customary Haliburton game winner is fourth now
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  Speaker 1: in these playoffs. He's basically done it in each series now,
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  Speaker 1: which is pretty crazy. And then we'll move on to
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  Speaker 1: game two. Okay, see takes care of business, and you know,
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  Speaker 1: as we know we're one and one, we'll ask some questions,
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  Speaker 1: you know, what to do about SGA because he had
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  Speaker 1: another big game with less shots this time. Can this
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  Speaker 1: thing go six or maybe even seven? A lot of
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  Speaker 1: people asking should hell of Burton Alburton be more assertive
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  Speaker 1: or are you you know, do you need a little
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  Speaker 1: bit more out of them? Obviously as a guy that's
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  Speaker 1: gonna make the right pass. But in the same sense,
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  Speaker 1: you know, you got like a second field goal pretty
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  Speaker 1: late in that game, and a lot of the numbers
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  Speaker 1: are pretty empty, I would say.
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  Speaker 2: For not just him, but for most of the team.
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  Speaker 2: If you look at the box.
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  Speaker 1: Score, it's like, huh, actually that was pretty good. But
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  Speaker 1: a lot of that came late when the game is over,
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  Speaker 1: so you know it goes back to Indianapolis. Now, can
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  Speaker 1: Indy take care of business in at least one of
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  Speaker 1: the games? Obviously, you know NBA fans that aren't cheering
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  Speaker 1: individually for their squad.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, see or Indy. We want to see a game six. Shit,
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  Speaker 2: we want to see a game seven.
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  Speaker 1: So we're gonna talk it through here on the NBA
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  Speaker 1: Marshall into the full first and foremost, Marshall, how are
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  Speaker 1: you doing, my friend?
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  Speaker 3: That's a loaded question right now.
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  Speaker 1: You're way to being loaded.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, let's just say yes, he had one drink.
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  Speaker 1: Before this that I seen him down a drink. I
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  Speaker 1: think in this time we've been talking.
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  Speaker 3: Before me no rebuilder for the show. You know, I'm
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  Speaker 3: I'm gonna have some personalities today. I so growing up
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  Speaker 3: in Alaska, North Dakota for a lot of my life
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  Speaker 3: kind of had a hand picked teams. I became a
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  Speaker 3: huge Oilers fan when they beat the Stars in ninety
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  Speaker 3: seven for an upset hockey. So I've been an Oilers
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  Speaker 3: fan for twenty eight years and they're going for the
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  Speaker 3: Cup tonight. Obviously it's not Game seven, but it's a
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  Speaker 3: big one. So excited to watch that. But we got
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  Speaker 3: to talk to NBA first.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, So you're a trader to your country. You live
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  Speaker 1: in Texas, but you're going for a can. I got,
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  Speaker 1: Let's just that's okay, Let's just keep moving. Let's keep moving.
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  Speaker 3: Trick man, Wow, that that's hard. Now, think I deserve that.
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  Speaker 3: But all right, I'm not even trying to Raptors fan.
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  Speaker 2: You know, so far, so crazy though in those first two.
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  Speaker 3: Games, yes, it's been really fun to go. And I
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  Speaker 3: don't like the having the extra days off, but I
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  Speaker 3: did like how the NBA HL both said, hey, game one,
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  Speaker 3: we take turns because because now we can watch our
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  Speaker 3: NBA watch hockey, watch NBA watch hockey. Know that every
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  Speaker 3: fan watches both, but it's nice to not make a
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  Speaker 3: sports fight have to choose. And I I completely know
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  Speaker 3: that NHL is much lower than the NBA, but still
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  Speaker 3: it's still good sporting devents for both teams and both sports.
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  Speaker 1: You know, so yeah exactly, but uh.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, man, you know the I'm happy I told you
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  Speaker 3: I was going to I think you did, but I'm
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  Speaker 3: kind of happy I didn't do the the four to one,
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  Speaker 3: which we talked about, the gentleman's sweep, because man freaking
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  Speaker 3: Pacerns won game one. Brother, like who what? Like they
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  Speaker 3: they now have had five fifteen point comeback wins in
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  Speaker 3: the playoffs like that, I was telling him. I think
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  Speaker 3: I told my fiance, like, I don't think we'll see
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  Speaker 3: this again for twenty to thirty years. And I know
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  Speaker 3: that nowadays the three ball has changed the game and
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  Speaker 3: it's quicker to come back. But still, Chris, like, this
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  Speaker 3: team has five cover behind wins this year that just
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  Speaker 3: most teams don't have. We maybe have like one or
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  Speaker 3: two of these a year in the playoffs, let alone
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  Speaker 3: one team, like the way they play, and I forget
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  Speaker 3: who I was starting to think it was like coaching.
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  Speaker 2: More than fifteen points.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, but maybe not from the same team.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, of course, yeah yeah, sorry.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I saw I was signed one of my old
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  Speaker 3: basketball coaches who I had lunched with a couple of
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  Speaker 3: days ago, and we at the same point of like,
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  Speaker 3: just they're so selfless, and that's why I text my
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  Speaker 3: other current coaches like, you know, normally an NBA you
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  Speaker 3: have like a Lebron or a Kobe or Kawhi or
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  Speaker 3: Harden that takes that alpha role. And I'm not saying like,
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  Speaker 3: obviously that's led to many titles Jordan massive, like Elf,
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  Speaker 3: like you have that one. He's your dog and hel
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  Speaker 3: Burton is that guy. But you watch them play, if
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  Speaker 3: you were new to basketball, you'd be like, okay, like
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  Speaker 3: hel Burton's their stud, but is he the whole reason
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  Speaker 3: they win? No, like he's clutched, but they're they're truly
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  Speaker 3: a team, which I think that concept for them works
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  Speaker 3: now if you ask other you know, like if you said, hey,
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  Speaker 3: where's where's the next situation where you can find a
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  Speaker 3: team that is a team based team that's made to
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  Speaker 3: the finals, Like you have to dig for a while
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  Speaker 3: because like, obviously I don't Clay was special, but Curry
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  Speaker 3: was the guy, Lebron was the guy, Jordan was the guy,
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  Speaker 3: Kobe was the guy. Like I think, so you used
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  Speaker 3: to have these alpha lete teams that to have a
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  Speaker 3: true team team with Aliberton, but he's not, I would
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  Speaker 3: say up to that part, it's just kind of different,
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  Speaker 3: kind of refreshing I think as a sports fan to
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  Speaker 3: see the just guys that by in Like it's it
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  Speaker 3: comes down to, hey, you're being a kid at heart
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  Speaker 3: and you play with your team and your team's really
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  Speaker 3: dad good, but you don't always have to have that
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  Speaker 3: complete stud, which is just kind of a different perspective
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  Speaker 3: of UNBA in my eyes.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, especially like they obviously would have to win
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  Speaker 1: the whole thing to go with that, you know, all
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  Speaker 1: the way to say, well usually you have this guy this,
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  Speaker 1: well you they may find out they need that guy,
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  Speaker 1: you know what I mean, that's fair in this series,
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  Speaker 1: but we did say it from the kind of the
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  Speaker 1: start and even last year you can see it. The
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  Speaker 1: the amount of players they have that can be productive
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  Speaker 1: in one game is yes, impressive. And you know, Haliburton,
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  Speaker 1: like you said, he did not long ago have like
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  Speaker 1: a thirty point almost triple double, but he's also had
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  Speaker 1: some just mediocre games like Game one, you know, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: where it was like he wasn't playing bad by any stretch,
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  Speaker 1: but he wasn't playing great or whatever. And then they
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  Speaker 1: have a closer, but that goes on the role he's
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  Speaker 1: the closer, right, yes, but to get there, you know,
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  Speaker 1: they have or be topping to hit five threes. They
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  Speaker 1: have the you know, so it has to all play
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  Speaker 1: together for him to do the close, you know. And
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  Speaker 1: now he has four different major shots in each of
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  Speaker 1: the four and we're only two games in, so we
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  Speaker 1: don't want to limit them, you know, what I mean.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, but yeah, just.
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  Speaker 1: Kind of kind of going on that game one. I did,
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  Speaker 1: you know, put down some notes and kind of talking
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  Speaker 1: it through a little bit, and you know, okay, see
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  Speaker 1: did go small right away.
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  Speaker 2: They took one of their bigs out and they just
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  Speaker 2: had ched in there.
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  Speaker 1: And I thought at the end of the game when
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  Speaker 1: it was over, a lot of people focused on that,
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  Speaker 1: and I thought that was the wrong focus, because first
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  Speaker 1: of all, they built a lead, you know, with that
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  Speaker 1: lineup right they had. They forced nineteen fucking turnovers, the
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  Speaker 1: most in the finals half ever. And as a TIMERL fan,
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  Speaker 1: I was feeling pretty good, like, hey, I guess we're
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  Speaker 1: not the only one that turns the ball over against them,
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  Speaker 1: you know, it was it was Yeah, it was nineteen
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  Speaker 1: to four at half when it came to turnovers. Uh
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  Speaker 1: Siakam was playing pretty well. But other than that, it
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  Speaker 1: was it was a rough go. It was a rough go.
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  Speaker 1: It was fifty seven to forty five. It was just
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  Speaker 1: so many damn turnovers. SGA had nineteen points at the half,
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  Speaker 1: and you're thinking, man, you know, on one hand, nineteen
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  Speaker 1: turnovers and you're only down by twelve. That's kind of
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  Speaker 1: in your back of your head, like, maybe this isn't
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  Speaker 1: all that horrible if they could just get their shit together,
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  Speaker 1: and they did. I did think actually, hard Den played
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  Speaker 1: really good. He played better than Chet in this game.
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  Speaker 1: And Andy got it to like eighty two to seventy six.
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  Speaker 1: Sga hit a three to kind of close out that
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  Speaker 1: third quarter. But the key was Indy won that third
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  Speaker 1: quarter thirty one to twenty eight. So I was like, okay,
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  Speaker 1: here we go. Their offense is starting to catch up
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  Speaker 1: obviously the turn. You know, if you have nineteen and
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  Speaker 1: a half, uh, you don't end up with like thirty
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  Speaker 1: six or whatever, then you know, you you you got
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  Speaker 1: that out. But but you know, for a while, I'm
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  Speaker 1: looking at it in the fourth quarter of seven thirty
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  Speaker 1: markets ninety eight to eighty eight, and you're starting to
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  Speaker 1: you know, you're like, okay, here we go. But okay,
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  Speaker 1: see continued to answer them though, you know, just like
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  Speaker 1: they did with the Timberwolves, you know, just every time,
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  Speaker 1: oh you get the single digits, okay.
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  Speaker 2: We're gonna you know, here's seven more points.
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  Speaker 1: You know, And they kept doing that.
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  Speaker 2: Then Topping started going off.
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  Speaker 1: He got up to like five three, and Indy went
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  Speaker 1: out a twelve to two run got it to ninety
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  Speaker 1: eight ninety four with six eleven left, and you're thinking,
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  Speaker 1: oh shit, dude, Turner was playing really good. They had
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  Speaker 1: a bunch of guys, you know, play really well. But
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  Speaker 1: right at that point, right I wrote it down my notes,
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  Speaker 1: it's a really close game. And INDI missed back to
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  Speaker 1: back open threes, and at that point, Marshall, it's one
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  Speaker 1: oh four ninety eight with a little over three three
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  Speaker 1: minutes left. I'm like, man, those threes that would have
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  Speaker 1: been so huge, you know, and I don't know it,
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  Speaker 1: but you know, obviously it didn't slow down down in
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  Speaker 1: that fourth quarter. They got it to one o eight,
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  Speaker 1: one oh five with a buck fifty four left. They
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  Speaker 1: were six of nine from three at that point. Uh
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  Speaker 1: And okay, see who doesn't usually shoot a lot of threes.
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  Speaker 1: They were zero four at that time, but they had
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  Speaker 1: like a ten to two, yeah, ten to two run
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  Speaker 1: to get it to a point.
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  Speaker 2: And then obviously we know.
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  Speaker 1: What happened there, you know, they they they had that
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  Speaker 1: play where they were checking to see if it was
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  Speaker 1: a fall. Okay, so he got the ball back, SGA
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  Speaker 1: got a good look at the basket. He that bucket.
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  Speaker 2: You know that that's usually when he when he shot
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  Speaker 2: that thing.
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  Speaker 1: And it was good defense until he rose up and
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  Speaker 1: he stepped back a little bit.
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  Speaker 2: Then he was a clean shot, you know. So I
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  Speaker 2: was like, oh, he missed it.
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  Speaker 1: You know, and then you're like, oh shit, here we go.
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  Speaker 1: And I liked that little clip of Reggie Miller watching
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  Speaker 1: it with his family, you know, right, they they split
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  Speaker 1: that little thing where they missed, and then they had
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  Speaker 1: the ball. But of course Haliburton takes uh you know
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  Speaker 1: what now is classified as a bad shot because it's
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  Speaker 1: just inside the three right, but he was open.
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  Speaker 2: He knocks it down with point three left. Yes, Derek Fisher,
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  Speaker 2: Derek Fisher.
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  Speaker 1: Scenario could have happened with point three left, but it
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  Speaker 1: wasn't gonna happen.
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  Speaker 2: They ended up fucking winning the game, and.
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  Speaker 3: It just.
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  Speaker 2: It just blew me away.
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  Speaker 1: Man.
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  Speaker 2: I was buzzing for like an hour after that game.
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  Speaker 1: I was just like, holy shit, they did it again, dude,
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  Speaker 1: And I'm feeling real good about my plus nine ten
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  Speaker 1: Haliburton MVP at that moment, like oh whoa, whoa.
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  Speaker 2: It's a good way to start the series, you know.
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  Speaker 1: And so just to add on to what we're saying
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  Speaker 1: they now have three wins when trailing with a minute
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  Speaker 1: left by seven.
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  Speaker 2: I mean that is actually that extra level.
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  Speaker 1: And you know sga To was credit thirty eight points
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  Speaker 1: three steals, the most points in a Finals debut since
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  Speaker 1: Ellen Iverson, So he was definitely doing his thing, obviously.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, to see the you know, you look at.
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  Speaker 1: Milwaukee in the Indiana game, right, thirty four point seven,
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  Speaker 1: thirty four to seven left in ot they're down seven.
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  Speaker 1: They win that game. The Cleveland game one nineteen one twelve,
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  Speaker 1: forty six point seven seconds.
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  Speaker 2: Left, they win that game down.
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  Speaker 1: One twenty one to one twelve, Marshall with fifty two
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  Speaker 1: point five seconds left. Oh, they won that fucking game.
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  Speaker 1: Even here at two thirty six, it's one to wait
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  Speaker 1: ninety nine, dude, You're like, now it's over, dude, it's done.
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  Speaker 1: Just just just get rid of it.
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  Speaker 2: And there was this other point.
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  Speaker 1: They didn't make a shot, okay, c in the fourth quarter,
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  Speaker 1: did not make a shot outside the paint.
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  Speaker 2: So they did just nothing out there.
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  Speaker 1: And in that scenario in the finals, not the overstatu
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  Speaker 1: you here, but this is a big one. NBA teams
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  Speaker 1: were zero and one twenty one went down seven or
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  Speaker 1: more points in the final three minutes of regulation. Now
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  Speaker 1: they're over the last twenty eight postseasons. Right now, they're
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  Speaker 1: one in twenty one and for Game one, it's the
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  Speaker 1: first single digit game since Toronto and Golden State in
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  Speaker 1: twenty nineteen. Otherwise they've just been you know, double digit
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  Speaker 1: wins for somebody. So a whole lot of shit. Not
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  Speaker 1: the throw not to overstat you there, but those are
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  Speaker 1: like crazy stats. Just spit out and helburn Man, like
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  Speaker 1: I said, he may not have a great game, but
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  Speaker 1: then it's like, all right, dude, all your teammates did
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  Speaker 1: the role.
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  Speaker 2: Now it's your time, and he knows how to do it.
• 15:34
  Speaker 3: Then I just wish he had brought up that Toronto
• 15:37
  Speaker 3: series because I think I mentioned it like five times
• 15:39
  Speaker 3: this year, and just because if Clay does not Terror's acl,
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  Speaker 3: I think we win the series. But it is what
• 15:46
  Speaker 3: it is, Uh, you know. But to that point, both
• 15:51
  Speaker 3: of these teams, Chris to wrap that up, because that
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  Speaker 3: is very poortut is on both of.
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  Speaker 1: Them too, by the way, Huh Siakam was on both
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  Speaker 1: those teams.
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  Speaker 3: Uh. That and the fact that these teams have had
• 16:05
  Speaker 3: pretty good luck on injuries. Lady lucks because I think
• 16:10
  Speaker 3: we've done this podcast for almost ten years out around there,
• 16:14
  Speaker 3: almost every year one team could have won a title,
• 16:16
  Speaker 3: but an injury kills one of their best players. Yeah
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  Speaker 3: this year, Tatum, Uh, we've had the Kyrie we had,
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  Speaker 3: we had Clay we had. It is crazy and for
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  Speaker 3: this year knockout one. You know, but the teams say, hell,
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  Speaker 3: they hope it stays that way. I do.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I yeah, both these rosters, everybody's healthy.
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  Speaker 3: I have no betting interest. I would have any bad blood,
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  Speaker 3: I'm sure for the Pacers, but I do hope that
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  Speaker 3: like Haliburton SGA, I always guys say, because you want
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  Speaker 3: to see, you know, the best play the best. Uh.
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  Speaker 3: But Game one, dude, he's had fifteen clutch shots this year.
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  Speaker 3: He's made thirteen of them for Halberton. Like that is
• 16:56
  Speaker 3: ur goodly, That dude is special. Uh, but again they're
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  Speaker 3: a true team for that Game one. One thing I
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: did here that was a really good point was when
• 17:08
  Speaker 3: you see the turnover numbers, It's like, how do they
• 17:12
  Speaker 3: have that be turnovers?
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: But but the cash in they didn't cast them in.
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  Speaker 3: And also, and this reminds me of because we've done
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: this and like when I was coaching high school basketball.
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  Speaker 3: When I have coached that, won't be doing it this year,
• 17:22
  Speaker 3: but tell you what year off happy to get that
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  Speaker 3: guy which on the Pacers are good at it. So, yes,
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  Speaker 3: you had nineteen turnovers in the first half, but something
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: that Carlisle, who's the better coaches from experience knowledge, I'm
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: clearly the upsize was.
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  Speaker 2: One of the best coaches in the league.
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, one of the better ones of all time
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: if you I mean deviity.
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: Was they emphasized, hey, we got to get back. So sometimes, yes,
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: the turnover does suck is that you don't a you
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: don't get a shot off beat, you can't score. But
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: if you have a guy busted inter ass back, hey
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: you can now set up your for defense skin because
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: a lot of times if you have a live ball
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: turnover like especially with like I don't like see like
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: Golden State that shoots a lot of threes, like a
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: long rebound can be trouble. Yes, so you have a
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: turnover a lot of times turnovers like boom boom boom,
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: two passes lay up dunk like oh bit, But if
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: you have guys hustling back, that makes everyone catch up.
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: So that is, like it's a very fundamental part of basketball.
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: But having that get that guy to where hey, if
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: you don't shoot the ball, you're the furthest guy back.
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: Bust your ass back. Okay, well now, yes, nineteen turnovers
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: is awful for a first half, but having that defensive
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: transition back keeps it from getting out of hand.
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: I think it was only eleven points off of those.
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: Yes, which Matt max really low. Damn yeah, so uh yeah,
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: I'm with you, dude, just what the Pacers do. And again,
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: I know that you don't deserve a gold Heart for
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: the like this the silver medal team. If they don't
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: win the series, so be it. But the comeback they've
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: made are amazing and it really is just a tremendous
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: thing to look at, like all those come backs you mentioned,
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: I mean, the Haliburton choke, like that's probably gonna be
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: the memory of the playoffs unless there's like a Game
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: seven walkoff, like and he had a game work with
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: you know, like I know, like speed up Hockey last year,
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: David won the MVP for the innh playoffs even though
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: they didn't win the Cup. I'm not saying Helbertson is
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: gonna get that, but he's probably gonna be the guy
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: it's gonna be most remembered for this playoffs because he's
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: had so many clutch shots. So for Game one again
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: and I it was it was one. I think it
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: might have been Vet Pelton in ESPN, but I was
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: listening to this podcast where he's like, dude, when he
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: when he left up for the shots, I knew was
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: going in And I felt the same way Chris like
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: when he picked I'm like, dude, I'll dude, that's buckets.
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: Like I just like, get the damn ball to Helburton,
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: you know, just just get it to him.
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: And okay, see he played good defense.
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it wasn't bad bad to take his time
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: to get to the spy, you know yeah, and he
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: like he was going to the rock. So the dude
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: got off him a little bit and just that little
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: it looked like he could have passed it. But with
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: that time left, it would have been draft.
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: It would have been tight. Yeah, because Crusoe's like, I'm
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: gonna cheat over but he's like, oh, there's my guy
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: going like you just said, and he just like, dude, buckets,
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: Like you know what. I love that Hulbert. You know,
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: he's not like Curries, my guy, but he Curry kind
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: of pips it out. Hulbert will just scream and just
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: like Walk. He don't even tell very much. He's he's
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: an interest. I would like to like just hear podcast
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: it because he just seems to be interesting. Obviously incredible
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: basket player, bit chill du But for yeah, for that
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: game though to kind of they came back yet again
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: to your points, like we were saying for the show,
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: I think, okay, so he got a little gun shy
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: of not doing the uh Chet and Hardy see lineup
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: together just to see or just one of them. Yeah, yeah,
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: really small too. That was that's where the criticism should
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: have came in, not in the starting lineup. It's closing yet.
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: Chet did have a garbage game, But you gotta believe
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: in your guy a little bit more.
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: You know. I like the point you made because I
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: hear a lot of top notch MBA people say, well,
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: what wow, why were they doing that? But to your point,
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: in the first half it paid off.
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: It fucking worked, and then it worked to get in
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: game two. So it's really not that you know, you
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: would never.
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: Hear the criticism of going too small, if they wore
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: game one, if the if the Miles turned move genius move,
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: so you can you can flip it both ways for sure.
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: But you know, uh, but yeah, I just do it.
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: They're just a fun team again, no real interest I'm
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: obviously going for but they're just there. It's fun for
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: basketball like to have stories like this, Like it's just
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: so many times that if you have a seven or
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: a ten point lead with a couples ago, it's like, dude,
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: turn the game off, like, yeah you might, you might.
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: You're probably looking to see who's covering the spread, per se.
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: More so in the finals, you know, because that little
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: separate because I just read one of those stats that's
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: the first time that ever happened in the finals of
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: twenty five years or whatever. So it's like that shows
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: you because if you screw up just a little bit
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: in the finals, it's gonna make you pay, you know.
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: So it's so hard to come back. And someone made
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: an analogy that you know, they're like, uh, like a
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: Cinderella college team. And then you look at Haliburton and
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: he looks like he's still in college, you know, like
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: he could be that college guy you know where you're like, yeah,
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: that's exactly what they are. They just keep pulling shit
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: out of their ass and he keeps knocking down the shots.
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: And so it does have that college vibe where you're like,
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: holy shit, this team's gonna go. And actually, to your point,
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: since the twenty thirteen Heat, which that year was like
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: a defensive crazy struggle in that that series, I remember
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: the Pacers with the first team to win an NBA
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: Finals game with zero twenty point scorers.
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And then also with the more stats about the Pacers,
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: the Pacers has six road wins into the playoffs this
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: year where the leading scorer in the game was on
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: the opposite team. This is the most.
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: By any NBA team in the single postseason all time.
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: That's because they're a fricking team. That's what I love
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: about that team.
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying in the college vibe too, where
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: you're like, yeah, I hear you, dude, I understand what
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: you're saying. However, you gotta chop this team's head off. Yeah,
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: and the body's still gonna wiggle, but you gotta, you gotta,
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: you gotta kill it because it kill himself, you know. Yes,
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: another crazy stat. Oklahoma City just lost. This is game
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: after game one. Just lost to an East team at
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: home for the first time since March twelve, twoenty twenty four,
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: because you know, they don't they only play an East
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: team once, you know, you know, so they didn't lose.
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: To I think I heard there were thirty and two
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: of this year versus the East.
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: And so both of those came on the rope.
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, losses.
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: But you know, just you know, like Siakam was stall
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: and Naysmith was Sall a lot of turnovers but still
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: sawid you know, Turner was like they just got.
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: So many contributions and one more.
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: This one's for Ricky. Okay, this is Rick Carlisle's stat,
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: just to put it out the topper and then we'll
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: get the game too. There's been three fourth quarter comebacks
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: of fifteen points fourth quarter, not just in the game,
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: but fourth quarter since nineteen seventy one. In the last
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: two were coached by Rick Carlisle. Uh, the one we
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: just saw, and then the h Dallas and Heat series
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: in twenty eleven they did that there too, So that's
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: pretty crazy. Golden State Bill Simmons said Golden State won
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: a game three of the nineteen seventy five finals by eight.
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: When they turned the ball over thirty six times in
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: that game. That's wild.
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: And if you win game one, it's a seventy one
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: percent chance you're gonna win the series.
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: Okay, okay, out there, just throwing that out there.
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: So coming into game two, you know, I was feeling
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: good about my plus nine ten Halliburton MVP, but I thought,
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: you know what, let's get back to Earth, Chris, Let's
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: get back to Earth, and let's let's put money.
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: On Oka See. Okay, I'm gonna take the spread. Let's
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: let's do that.
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: And you know, they came out and it was kind
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: of a grinded it out game that you know, if
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: it wasn't for like a nine to ozero run by
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: Okay See to get up to six to twenty. Chet
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: had nine points in the first quarter. Isaiah Joe had
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: a smooth as layup in that first quarter too. But
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: it looked pretty good and there wasn't that many turnovers,
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: and then there was like, you know, this is where
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: the big rushes came. There was like a nine to
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: ozer run, a ten oh run, like it was the
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: points of the pain. At one point. Early in the
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: second were sixteen to four. There's a really freaking crazy
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: stat like, so they got up fifty to twenty nine.
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: The five minutes left of the second, they had a
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: seventeen to two run.
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: And if you back it all the way up to.
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: Nine thirty seven in the second, they had a nineteen
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: to two run, seven to twelve from the field, and
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: they were just shooting over fifty percent again. As you know,
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: Williams came to play check. You know, at half they
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: all had a good game going and it was fifty
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: one percent to thirty five, twenty six to twelve points
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: in the paint, and then the bench was going crazy too.
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: And five players with fifteen points. Don't get mad at me,
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: but the first time in the finals game five players
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: with at least fifteen points since twenty nineteen that Toronto
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: Rappers had to do it again.
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's I deserve that.
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: I deserve that.
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: He's flicking me off to see.
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: You guys know if you can't see it on the record, yeah,
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: it's off the record, no problem. The Russo was going crazy.
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: You know. Haliburton did have a like a quiet most
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: of the game until late it was eighty to sixty
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: four with three point fifty left in the third. The
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: bench points at that point were twenty seven to thirteen.
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: But Haliburton got his second field goal fairly deep into
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: the third. He ended up, you know, getting more points.
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: I think he had like six assists, but he had
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: five turnovers. Wiggins was going off. He had like seventeen
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: points in eighteen minutes. At one point, the bench had
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: like thirty nine to sixteen at one you know, kind
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: of late in the fourth quarter, a SG had a
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: really good all around game and didn't shoot the ball
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: as much like he did thirty times in the first one.
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: They basically just.
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: Once they jumped on him in that second.
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: You know, you saw like a little life here and there.
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: But they they they took care of business man, and
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: that's what you know, that's the thing about OKC, especially
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: at home. They take care of business and they usually
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: win by double digits, if not, sometimes by thirty. You know,
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: so not really a surprise, but it just they just
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: got it from everywhere. You know, the teammates along with
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: SGA having his great game, you know, the supporting cat
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: really showed up and it was just kind of the opposite.
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: You can even look at the Pacers numbers. Some of
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: them don't look that bad. But a lot of that
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: was when the game.
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: Was over, you know, to just to kind of summarize
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: from my pacer standpoint, I would be too upset, like
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: everything you just said, I think we expected. I know,
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: you bet the game I bet. Okay, see first half.
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: I did that first quarter because the Pacers have not
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: really shied away for big games. They have won where
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: they're like, oh, they're gonna get round at the gym.
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: They they've been maybe beat, but they've not been embarrassed
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: for the first quarter, like they don't come out flat.
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: But that's why I took the first half, which safely
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: that way a run.
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: But that was a good point though, on the first quarter,
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: because they were in that game, they were leading it
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: a little bit. You know.
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but everything you said was true but also expected, Like, yes,
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: the Pacers won Game one, which you know, like huge news, right,
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: which we got not expected, but okay, he was expected
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: when game two. This is a team that like has
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: had They were three games away from time Golden States
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: all time record for a regular season year. So yes,
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: they lost him one, but it wasn't like you know, like, uh,
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: it's not like, sorry, let me pause. Okay, they won
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: Game two, okay, which we expected, and to get to
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: that point was I mentioned they lost him one because
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: as I said last week of the Week four, this
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: is a good, great team, but I don't think they've
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: had that maturity Chris that we talked about. But this
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: week got new listeners today that they've not been through
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: it enough. Like, yes, this team could win the title
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: this year, but normally to win a title, you have
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: to have guys who've just kind of gone through the waves.
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: That's why, like they did have like the Wolves random
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: out the gym, Memphis ran them out the gym Game
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: three until John gets hurt, Like this team has.
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: The push to a game seven.
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Denver, Game six Denver said, dude, go we're going
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: back to We're flying our asses back to Okay. See,
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: so this team has the skill set to win a title,
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: but they don't have that DNA of like, dude, we've
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: been here before experience, which say what you want, it's true,
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: Like that's why the Warriors did do what they did,
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: but they didn't win on their first year. Like Ship Jordan,
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: we watched the Last Dance documentary, Jordan title.
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: He you know, so destroy terrorized him for a while.
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you have to go through your growing pains so
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: to be one to one. Obviously, Pacer fans are happy
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: because they split, okay, See fans were like, dude, Game
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: one was a fluke. Game two that showed the team
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: we are. So from a Game two standpoint, SGA passed
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: the ball more. They played the Bigs a bit more.
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: I believe Herten's signed and Chat both played more minutes,
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: and they both played better. Uh so we'll see how
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: they decided to so you wish the minutes from now on.
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: But I think both fan bases are pretty happy right now,
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: because if you're Okay fan, you're like, dude, if we're okay,
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: see radio talking this morning, Hey we got we're good,
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: we got this, we're good. If Acers radio talk, dude,
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: we stole one from them at home, like they're supposed
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: to be a beatable there. So from that standpoint, I
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: think both fan bases are relatively happy. Obviously, now Vegas
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: is still gonna be favored, okay, see as they should.
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: And I and a half or something like that, four
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: and a half, five and a half I've seen.
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I didn't all this ship. Chris, I know you
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: mentioned you had hallibertson plus nine hundred with MVP SGA
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: was minus six hundred on some books to win the
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: MVP of the Series finals. That is, who's gonna bet
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: minus six hundred? Like, yeah, I'm sure people at will,
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: like I'm gonna bet ten grand to win, you know,
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: four grand, But like, yeah, that is crazy.
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: That's a good point. You gotta have some money to
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: do that.
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: You gotta have big Yeah, this is not worth it.
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: You just can't. I don't have that money on these.
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: Springs is angle and you're like shit, you.
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: Know, yeah, I just would take grand to it four
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: grade hell right.
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: So but from that perspective, yeah, both teams are happy.
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: The Pacers did lose. But if the Pacers had won
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: Game two, this would have been one hell of a
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: podcast because Game one, dude, the cardiac kid Pacers win. Cool.
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: If they won Game two, Chris, I'd be going off
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: on just soapbox right up, because like, how did that happen?
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we would have had to call this podcast plus
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: nine ten as well.
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: We'd have to call it. Uh yeah, that would be crazy.
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: That would be crazy.
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: But you know, no, no surprise though, because you know
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: they've shown it, you know, time and time again. And
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: now we're going back to Indy for game three. In
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: game four, we are obviously guaranteed five games.
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: Let me ask you quickly, sorry, do you like the
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: two two one one one or do you wish? Right?
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: If if you were the the commission rules the NBA
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: Chris Carlson, NBA rules, would you prefer the two three
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: two or the two two one one one if you
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: were the boss?
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: It's a good question. If the tim Roves are in it,
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: I'd have a different answer.
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: Okay, Well, I suppose did pay if they were the
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: whole seed or.
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: The Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I grew up with two three two.
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: I think it does lend itself to the away team, uh,
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: because if you win two out of three at home,
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: you know you're you're in really good shape. Yeah, but
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: I don't know, I'm kind of I'm I'm okay with it.
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: I'm okay with it because I think if you uh, like, like, okay, see,
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: for instance, they had to go through the West and
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: have the best record in the league. Yeah, so you're
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: gonna like punish them for that.
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: You know that it is kind of weird and just.
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: Imagine the scenario or right now it's one one and
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: you gotta be in Indianapolis for three games. You know.
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's a whole new ball game.
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: But you know, if you look at how the series
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: have gone of late, you can make an argument they
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: should go back to what it was because there it hasn't.
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: There hasn't been much drama in the finals in recent
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: you know.
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's been some like, uh, it looks like the
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: Suns are looking good. They lose for what four straight?
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: Boston was up two to one, they lose three straight.
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: You know, so we just haven't had that necessarily, uh
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: drama like that. So and I think that does help
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: obviously when you get three straight games at home.
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: Right Yeah, So yeah, I'd probably.
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: Go two, three to two. Long story short.
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: Okay, that's a good question. And like I said, if
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: my Timbrelves had the home court, I'd be like, no,
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: this is bullshit, dude. It was too two two on one.
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: But but yeah, okay, so now here we are, you know,
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: people are talking about hal Burton probably does need to
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: be a tad more assertive and you know, he's gonna
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: make the right pass and I think sometimes even if
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: it's like a hockey assist, people are just so used
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: to some players taking bad shots no matter what, and
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: they end up with more points. And actually, I can
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: look at Kg. Kg could have been a top five
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: scorer almost every year if he would have taken a
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: handful of more bad shots, you know, now, would that
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: translate the fifty wins? Probably not? Probably not? His stats
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: would look better. Oh, you know, but you're not in
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: the fucking playoffs, so who gives a shit? You know?
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: So yeah, I do think there are times though against
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: okayse you know, people are like, oh, they got to run,
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: they gotta run. It's like, dude, it's hard to run
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: of gets okay, see dude, you know, yes, because they're
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: at you at half court. You see him turn the
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: ball over. Hallie turned the ball over at half court.
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: Remember he like jumped back a little bit. Andy, he
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: caused a turnover on himself. You rarely see that. So
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: if they're doing that to them, how are you gonna
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: run more? You know what it's gonna be is they're
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: gonna miss and then you're gonna grab it and run.
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: But it's tough to run on makes against this team
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: because everybody scrambles, everybody's on you. They're deep, so they
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: can get tired, you know. So I do think Haliburton
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: could be more assertive because there are times and that's
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: just overall his game.
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: I think as he gets a little older, he will
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: pick the.
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: Time a little better. Not just we know his time
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: right now, yeah, you know, deep in the game, but
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: overall as during a season all that. You know, I
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: think that there are times where I go, it's like, dude,
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: just take over, dude, but they're not really. He has
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: the best you know, guard defender on him, so it's
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So I don't know.
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: I don't know if he needs to be crazy.
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: You don't want to like force stuff because then you
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: get into the turnover game.
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: At the game, they're a true team. They are a
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: self which teams are like that to this level?
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: And do you just know, all of a sudden, just
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: break up what you got going on because you're trying
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: to make somebody on Twitter happy, you know what I mean?
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: Because Topping can go for five threes, Nie Smith can
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: go for five threes out of nowhere, and and and
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: I think people do forget about that other stuff that
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: got him to that clutch point and the Halibert takes
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: it over and it's it's basically been that the whole
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: time too.
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: Each of those games there's somebody doing something.
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: So and then a lot of people talking about they
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: need to they need to do a better job on SG. Hey,
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: we talked about this before we hit record, and honestly,
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: like he is one of those players that he's just
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: gonna get his and you just gotta slow down the
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: supporting cast. I just don't think there's any way around it.
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: He's really he's just under control. He knows where he
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: wants to get. You know, he did, like you said,
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: he passed a little bit more here, and they forced
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: him into passing a little bit at times, didn't have
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: to take as many shots.
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: But now that we're in Indy Marshall, do you see
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: it one one?
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: Going back to game.
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: Five because we know we're getting the game five?
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: Do you see Indy maybe winning both games or which
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: really stuck as a fan, okay, see winning two games
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: and then being up three to one.
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: How do you see this playing out?
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: Because you know it's tough not to at least respect
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: Indie enough to go one one, you know, in my opinion.
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: Anyway, I've been agree with that sentence. Uh yeah, we
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: we've agreed a lot. In the NBA's yere normally college football,
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: we're always bitching, going back and forth. But yeah, I
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: mean we've been on the same.
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: Past a couple of drinks in you you know what
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: I mean.
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm a friendly drunk, I am. Now if the
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: Oilers losing four hours, different story.
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: If if I had to bet and place my money
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: down right now, I would say goes back to to
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: I do think again, to my point, which I've work
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: stud over the last few weeks, okay is good, but
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: they don't have to experience yet. So I do think
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: that the fact that okay see has given up a
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: game on the road to well should have been Memphis
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: and Denver and Minnesota. I don't think Indianapolis with what
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: is on a steak is gonna let once. They're not
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: gonna swept to Hope. So I do think it goes.
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: That's a good way to put it.
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, So I think the Pacers would get three. And
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: they haven't been.
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: As good on the road either, okay See, they've.
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: Been yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's part of the young ship.
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: Like you said again, Memphis was up and they own
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: they dog walked Memphis this whole year. But Memphis was
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: up twenty seven until job bust is risk. I'll just
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: say Memphis was gonna win that game. And now I
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: know that Pacers are the cardiac kids, but if you're
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: a twenty seven to third quarter until your best player
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: bust is risks, you're gonna win that game. And the
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: timber Wolves take three for the bet of a lifetime.
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: They won that year, and they had a tight game
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: the very next game too.
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and say with Memphis, Memphis is Game four, they
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: lost by two chi Yeah, good point. So I do
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: think that they're gonna keep pushing it out. Could okay
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: see when the series for sure, But I do think
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: they split the Pacers land. I think it goes Pacers
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: went three. Okay, see what's four? But I would flip
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: it either way. I think it comes back to to two.
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: Do you think they could change the rules right now
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: and put it back to it two three two? Is
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: there any they put the trophies on the goddamn digitally
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: trophies on the damn floor. Can't they just digitally this
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: and have three three.
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: Home games you can't affect like the wood of the
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: court like I don't Yah, I don't know. Jesus Lord.
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: They felt the pressure though from Twitter because they digitally
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: enhanced the court. They put two It's funny because out
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: of nowhere, they just appeared on the court right before
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: the game started. Seriously, it was about to tip and boom,
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: the two trophies just appeared on it digitally.
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: No one painted it in five seconds.
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: Nope, No, I think it'll be too too as well.
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: I agree. I agree. Oh, Game five would be Monday,
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: next Monday, Rock I'll be at Minneapolis. I'll be ready
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: to go, so we won't obviously.
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: We're not going to do a show right before the game,
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean, So, you know, kind of
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: eye on it.
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: We'll see how it goes.
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: Obviously, I will say the one the one X factor
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: I want to mention it is what what does Carlisle
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: have up his sleeve next? Because I think so he's
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: just some experienced coaches't be you know. And Daniel's learned
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: to it. Again, people ripped it pretty hard for the
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: way he found people at the end of the Denver
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: Game one, and probably rightfully so. He showed his cards
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: and game one of this series, which to your point,
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: in the first half good, second half good before the
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: Miles Heir bait three? Good dude, dude, what are you doing?
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: You're being It was good for a while.
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: Why are you going small? So? What will be the
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: what's the next Uh? I'm not going to use the
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: word i'd really use because I don't want to say
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: that guy's name. What's the next car they're pulling out
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: of their sleeves? Uh? That Carlile will pull to maybe
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: make had to think about something because like I'll reference
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: my Worriors and get whatever. But like the Summit bo
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: get out was something that current in that what their
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: first title? So is there a chess move the Pacers
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: can make to flip the series? No, probably not, because
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: they're not the skillful team. But what what coaching adjustments
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: in Carlisle used to alter dan It? Oh? And what
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: can what made dan Ito do too? Maybe you do
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: see more check and holds of the time in game three,
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: or maybe maybe just start who knows you know? Or when.
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: Death right.
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: Death?
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: When they.
• 44:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah exactly that one of the title you know?
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: Or or maybe you do see when Miles turn or
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: comes out maybe you do see holds the side of
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: check come out like maybe you instead of changing your
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: line and maybe throw it back at them like you,
• 44:50
  Speaker 3: maybe they go play and chet hold the sign both
• 44:53
  Speaker 3: in the court together, just to see how the Pacers counter,
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: you know. So that is part of it too. For
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: NBA playoffs and the finals, we've had some of the
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: years of we're we've had a Kerr It's bolsterra and
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: some other coaches like you know, like they're veter guys.
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: This is a new one. So well, Okasey's coaching staff reactive.
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: They used it could make the right call. Theres they'll
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: say they won't. They just don't have to experience yet.
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: But maybe dead All pulls the right straight So that
• 45:15
  Speaker 3: leads to two Vickeries. We'll see, but I'll be curious
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: to see if there's the uh the SGA and helberd
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: or get a score. But can you alter something to
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: affect the overall play the game? Baby? Maybe not?
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because to your point in that year that was
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: when they got down two to one, Yeah, we got
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: to do something and Cleveland kept the two big lineup. Yeah,
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: like one of them was real slow and big, you know.
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: Thompson yeah, it was like you know too, a big
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: lineup was a little more common than obviously, right, sure,
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: sure it's they didn't make adjustment. And I actually just
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: heard Lebron talking about that the other day on this podcast,
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: and you know, they probably couldn't. You know, maybe they
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: could have made adjusted. Maybe they couldn't. Maybe they feel like, eh,
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: this is what we got, let's go, you know. But yeah,
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: that's uh, that is interesting and and it we'll see.
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: Game three is a game three and game five are
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: big indicators too. So you know, if Indy did get
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: up two to one after game three, you know, who knows,
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: you know, maybe Okay See does switch it, or you know,
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: they're down two to one Indy, like you said, maybe
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: Indy will you know, do something.
• 46:25
  Speaker 3: So if anyone's game three, it's a guarantee at least
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: they're coming back home for six. So you know, and
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: that building is electric, like you know, I know that,
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: like I do think the Oracle Special. They they they
• 46:40
  Speaker 3: sold out to the top, Buddy by know that the the
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: Target Center had got a lot of praise from NBA
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: fans uh and and media people. The okayc Arena people
• 46:48
  Speaker 3: say is really loud, uh, but that Pacers really man,
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: that's one of the better hold courts in the NBA.
• 46:53
  Speaker 3: So I would be very surprised if we do our
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: podcast the next time. We give brother that if the
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: Pacers lose both. I don't think that should happen. I
• 47:01
  Speaker 3: don't believe it will.
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, kind of.
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: Like we did this this Monday.
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: We didn't know for sure, but we did say if
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: it's one one, we'll probably do a podcast.
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: And obviously yes, she hit. The fan of game was like, oh,
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: we're doing a podcast.
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: But yeah, so we'll kind of play it by ear.
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: We may do it the Tuesday after game five. We
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: may be able to sneak something in Sunday if if
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: games game four are like holy shit, you know so,
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: but more than likely we'll wait till game five and
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: do it Tuesday or something like that.
• 47:32
  Speaker 3: Okay, we'll just kind of.
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: Play it by ear, so the audience kind of knows
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: what to expect.
• 47:37
  Speaker 3: Oh and for my last news of the day, uh So,
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: I was supposed to go to LCU last year with
• 47:42
  Speaker 3: my good college for marsh mad spread that it happened
• 47:45
  Speaker 3: due to issues I will talk about, but he invited
• 47:48
  Speaker 3: me this year Chris, I will be going to freaking
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: Tuscaloosa my first ever SEC football game, role Tied versus Oklahoma.
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: I'll be at tusc Loosa, Alabama. That's be a fun
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: podcast that day, brother, because I'm gonna be waving. Well actually,
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: i gotta wear Oklahoma gear because he's taking me there.
• 48:06
  Speaker 3: But it'll be it'll be a badass trip. I've never
• 48:09
  Speaker 3: been to it.
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: There's a they're gonna be feist team of that game too,
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: you know, given how last year went.
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, So I've been to a Gophers game. I
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: went to Camp ra Handle one. So those are my two,
• 48:21
  Speaker 3: I believe, yeah, only twoever times I've gotten to a
• 48:23
  Speaker 3: Big ten football But I'm gonna go to my first
• 48:25
  Speaker 3: ever SEC football game. Owe you in roll Tied Land.
• 48:29
  Speaker 3: So that's gonna be a fun podcast pre show and
• 48:33
  Speaker 3: recovery show if I'm alive after that Saturday.
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah right again.
• 48:40
  Speaker 3: So on that note, uh, and we will be doing
• 48:42
  Speaker 3: college football that what NBS finals finish to take a
• 48:45
  Speaker 3: few months off, and dude, college Football Week one is loaded,
• 48:49
  Speaker 3: so we're we're we're gonna like the first show of
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: the year. We are rolling boys.
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 48:54
  Speaker 3: So on that note, thanks, for the support. We love it.
• 48:58
  Speaker 3: Enjoy your summer and get out and play some golf.
• 49:00
  Speaker 3: The boys rout tonight. Peace,