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Ep. 704: MeatEater Radio Live! Happy Dogs, Hound Dogs, and Hot Dogs · The MeatEater Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Smell us now, lady, Welcome to Meet Eater Trivia Metater Podcast.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to Meet Eater Radio Live. It's eleven am Mountain Time.
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  Speaker 2: That's eight pm for our friends in Luco, Finland on
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  Speaker 2: Thursday May fifteenth, and we are live from Meat Eater
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  Speaker 2: HQ and Bozeman, Montana. I'm your host, Randa Williams, and
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  Speaker 2: I'm joined today by Tony Peterson and Lake Pickle. On
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  Speaker 2: today's show, we're talking dogs, the beloved species aka Man's
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  Speaker 2: best friend, as well as the food variety. Of course,
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  Speaker 2: I'm referring to hot dogs. Geez, geez. This is a
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  Speaker 2: good script. First, we'll interview dog trainer extraordinary Jordan Horak,
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  Speaker 2: and then we'll play a little game. We recoined the
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  Speaker 2: price is right? We recoined that.
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  Speaker 3: I No, I don't think we recoined anything, followed by
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  Speaker 3: a highly requested return of the Meat Eater Movie Club,
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  Speaker 3: where we'll be discussing the children's classic Where the Red
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  Speaker 3: Fern Grows.
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  Speaker 2: And after that we'll talk with Professor Monti Lejerne about
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  Speaker 2: ticks and tick prevention in our dogs. And finally, we
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  Speaker 2: will do a throwback Thursday with some memories with some
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  Speaker 2: of our four legged best friends. First, Tony Lake, great
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  Speaker 2: to have you, fellows in the studio. What brings you
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  Speaker 2: to town this week?
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  Speaker 4: But me go first, first ahead, All right, Well, dog
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  Speaker 4: week and I've been I have the Foundation's podcast on
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  Speaker 4: Cal's feed, which is all about dogs. We've been writing
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  Speaker 4: dog articles and dropping them on the site. Have a
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  Speaker 4: new rooster film if you like watching public land roosters
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  Speaker 4: get crunched by an adorable black lab.
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  Speaker 2: Beautiful and me.
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  Speaker 4: You can check that out at the Meat Eater's site.
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  Speaker 4: But yeah, we are just celebrating dogs. We finally did
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  Speaker 4: an end around. I actually did the end around on
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  Speaker 4: Steve Ranella, who's a cat guy, big cat guy, and
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  Speaker 4: went right to the street. Well, because it's true, Yes,
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  Speaker 4: this is not a rumor I started. This is just
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  Speaker 4: known around the office. But I did an end round,
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  Speaker 4: end around on Steve. Went to our CEO and I said, hey, man,
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  Speaker 4: everybody here loves dogs, but Steve, can we finally do
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  Speaker 4: something for the company instead of just catering to him?
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  Speaker 4: And he said fine, And so now we have Dog Weekend.
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  Speaker 4: We are going to be cranking out dog content from
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  Speaker 4: here on out. It's a new category at Meat Eater.
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  Speaker 2: Well done, well done. And you know who else loves dogs?
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  Speaker 2: The people?
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  Speaker 4: The people almost everyone. Yes, that's right, hot dogs and
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  Speaker 4: the free kind of indeed.
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  Speaker 5: Both of them.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So my reason for being up here is twofold. The
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  Speaker 1: first one is I'm working on a new podcast that'll
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  Speaker 1: go on the Bear Grease Feed and I'm super excited
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  Speaker 1: about going to be called Backwoods University. And also when
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  Speaker 1: we schedule the time we come up here, I knew
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  Speaker 1: that May it was still turkey season in Montana.
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  Speaker 5: I don't know how you feel.
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  Speaker 1: About turkey hunt, Randall, but I love it a whole lot.
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  Speaker 1: So i'd hit up Max Bartos, I've been buddies with
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  Speaker 1: for a while. I was like, hey man, since I'm
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  Speaker 1: going to be up there, and so we snuck out
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  Speaker 1: Monday and managed to get a turkey. So it's been
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  Speaker 1: a great week.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I uh. I asked Max Barta to take me turkey hunting,
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  Speaker 2: and now he's taken two out of town visitors turkey
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  Speaker 2: hunting successfully in the past seven days, and I'm left wondering, what,
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  Speaker 2: uh what Max really thinks of me? If there's anything there.
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  Speaker 3: Max, if you're watching the show, ahead and call in old,
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  Speaker 3: go ahead, and yeah, he talks you live.
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  Speaker 4: Here, Randall. I would just like to say that Max
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  Speaker 4: invited me to Turkey Hunt this week as well.
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  Speaker 2: Are you serious he did?
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  Speaker 4: One hundred percent here.
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  Speaker 2: I will say he did. He did invite me to
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  Speaker 2: Turkey Hunt Monday afternoon, I believe after you killed your bird.
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  Speaker 2: He said, do you still want to go Turkey Hunt?
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  Speaker 2: How about tomorrow? And I said sure, and he said
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  Speaker 2: the weather looks bad, We'll have to make a call
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  Speaker 2: on it. And then two hours later he texted me
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  Speaker 2: and said the weather it's too bad. We shouldn't go.
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  Speaker 2: So Max did make an effort, right, although at that
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  Speaker 2: point the forecast it was I don't know how wholehearted
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  Speaker 2: it was.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 1: I got to go in his defense, seeing as like
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  Speaker 1: he was a huge part in me getting said turkey.
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  Speaker 1: When we were driving back and the weather was still pretty,
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  Speaker 1: he was like, wonder if Randall will want to go tomorrow.
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  Speaker 5: I's like, ask him, because I.
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  Speaker 3: We'll breaking news. If you want to direct your attention
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  Speaker 3: to the screen.
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  Speaker 2: I know, yeah, I would like to. Max kind of
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  Speaker 2: gets a bad rap for.
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  Speaker 3: The audio listeners. Max. Max chimed in in the life chat.
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  Speaker 3: He says, hey, Randall, I was going to take you Tuesday,
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  Speaker 3: but it rained.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, all cat, and I'm just I'm just having
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  Speaker 2: fun with you, Max, he did. I have every confidence
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  Speaker 2: that he will take me turkey hunting and we will
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  Speaker 2: get a bird fifteen days left of the season, not
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  Speaker 2: that anyone's counting. So yeah, well, it's wonderful to have
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  Speaker 2: you guy here. Both your first times on Radio Live.
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  Speaker 4: I actually was a guest on Radio Live once.
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  Speaker 2: Hmmm call it. That doesn't count. So until you sit
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  Speaker 2: in this chair, you don't know what it feels like. Well, gentlemen,
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  Speaker 2: I think it's time we move on to our first
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  Speaker 2: interview of the day. Joining us is professional dog trainer
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  Speaker 2: and the owner of Cato Outdoors, mister Jordan Horak. Jordan,
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  Speaker 2: thanks for joining.
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  Speaker 6: Us, and guys, I thought this was turning into a
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  Speaker 6: turkey episode here for a second.
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  Speaker 2: Not on my watch. Not on my watch.
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  Speaker 7: It sounded like it for like three minutes.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, everybody's talked about turkeys, but we're here for dogs.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, good, good.
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  Speaker 2: Uh. First off, what is the most important thing you
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  Speaker 2: can do with a puppy during the first week after
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  Speaker 2: you bring it home?
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  Speaker 8: Yeah all right, So so here's here's the deal, like
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  Speaker 8: dogs are weird because everybody wants to turn them into
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  Speaker 8: like a computer or something that's really absolute and say like, okay,
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  Speaker 8: there's one right way to train a dog or to
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  Speaker 8: treat that dog in the first week.
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  Speaker 7: And in my.
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  Speaker 6: Experience, like ever, it just like kids, Like every dog
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  Speaker 6: is very different, so everyone's gonna need a little bit
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  Speaker 6: of a different approach maybe, and there's gonna be people
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  Speaker 6: that have different ideas, and that's all great because this
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  Speaker 6: is really a subjective thing training dogs. But in my opinion,
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  Speaker 6: when I bring a dog home, my natural urge is
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  Speaker 6: to start training it right away, Like I want it
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  Speaker 6: to be a great dog, so I want to teach
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  Speaker 6: it to sit and throw a bunch of retries and
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  Speaker 6: like start training in all these things. And in my experience,
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  Speaker 6: that's like the worst thing you can do, because that
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  Speaker 6: dog is going through like a really big fear stage
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  Speaker 6: when you bring it to your house, like it's you're
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  Speaker 6: a new person and you know they can't speak English,
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  Speaker 6: so nobody explained to that dog like, hey, you're going
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  Speaker 6: to this new person's house and they really love you,
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  Speaker 6: and like they don't know any of those things, so
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  Speaker 6: you have to show them. I think in that first
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  Speaker 6: week that like, hey, I'm somebody you want to hang
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  Speaker 6: out with, Like we're gonna have good times. But requirements
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  Speaker 6: are really really low right now. So I'm gonna do
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  Speaker 6: a lot of giving that puppy treats out of my hand.
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  Speaker 7: I'm going to get down on the floor.
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  Speaker 6: With it, play with it, maybe get to get it
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  Speaker 6: to play a little bit of tug with me. But
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  Speaker 6: I'm really just looking at building that relationshipship for the
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  Speaker 6: first week and really like the first few months, that's
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  Speaker 6: going to be the main focus. There's gonna be a
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  Speaker 6: few things, of course, we're gonna have to teach it
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  Speaker 6: right away. Like one of those would be don't pee
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  Speaker 6: on the floor, go in the crate, be quiet in
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  Speaker 6: the crate, don't bite me like you can't you know,
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  Speaker 6: you can't chew in my hands like puppies like to do.
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  Speaker 6: So of course we're going to work on those things.
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  Speaker 6: But my primary thing for the first even few weeks
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  Speaker 6: is hey, let's let's just get to be buddies and
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  Speaker 6: like get ready for the long road, because this is
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  Speaker 6: this is a marathon.
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  Speaker 7: We got plenty of time to teach skills later on.
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  Speaker 4: So Jordan, I know let's let's move past the first
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  Speaker 4: week here right now and just kind of building that
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  Speaker 4: trust and making that that puppy comfortable. I know you're
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  Speaker 4: a big confidence guy, right You like to challenge dogs
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  Speaker 4: and help them build confidence. So when you talk about,
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  Speaker 4: you know, dogs being individuals, which they are, you kind
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  Speaker 4: of got to cater a lot of your training style
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  Speaker 4: to that individual dog, the personality drive, all that stuff.
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  Speaker 4: But there is sort of a ubiquitous, uh, cross the
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  Speaker 4: board need for confidence in dogs. And I know that
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  Speaker 4: you take puppies, you know, from eight weeks on, and
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  Speaker 4: that's that's like top of mind for you. Can you
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  Speaker 4: kind of give us like a thirty thousand foot view
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  Speaker 4: on how you look at puppies and go, I want
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  Speaker 4: to I want to start creating a confident dog.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah. So a lot of people think that building a
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  Speaker 6: confident dog means like throwing it into all these weird situations.
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  Speaker 6: So they bring this new puppy home and they take
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  Speaker 6: it to the pet store, and they take it to
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  Speaker 6: their friends, and they take it to the.
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  Speaker 7: Dog park and all these places.
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  Speaker 6: And I don't think that that makes a confident puppy
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  Speaker 6: because that's just a lot of confusion and a lot
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  Speaker 6: of uncontrolled environment, bad things can happen. So I look
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  Speaker 6: at building confidence actually like creating a predictable environment with
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  Speaker 6: a predictable outcome. So I'm not traveling them or taking
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  Speaker 6: them all over the place. I'm just trying to throw
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  Speaker 6: things at them at home. So one thing I did
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  Speaker 6: with a recent litter, and if your listeners want to
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  Speaker 6: go check it out. I think it's pretty cool and
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  Speaker 6: it's like the only thing I've ever done that's gone
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  Speaker 6: viral on social media, so go watch it. But I
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  Speaker 6: created an obstacle course for a recent litter of spring
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  Speaker 6: puppies that I did, and we started out just like
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  Speaker 6: with one obstacle within this course, they just had to
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  Speaker 6: go around one wall and we put the puppy, we
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  Speaker 6: put the food down at the end, and then we
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  Speaker 6: put the puppies down behind this wall and all they
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  Speaker 6: had to do is go around it. And they were
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  Speaker 6: like they were panicking, they were crying, They're trying to
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  Speaker 6: climb out the edge, like they had no idea what
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  Speaker 6: to do, and like their confidence was kind of shattered.
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  Speaker 6: A lot of people the tendency would be like, oh,
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  Speaker 6: look at the poor things, like they need help, and
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  Speaker 6: you know, they would go and intervene and really like
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  Speaker 6: the intervention is not going to help them build confidence.
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  Speaker 6: So we I say we it was my kids and
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  Speaker 6: I were like doing the science experiment, basically behavior science.
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  Speaker 7: We just stood there and.
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  Speaker 6: Watched them, and pretty soon one of them like stuck
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  Speaker 6: its head around the wall like, oh, look, I can
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  Speaker 6: kind of go this way, and all of a sudden,
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  Speaker 6: they all ran around the corner and they're eating food.
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  Speaker 6: The next time we did that, we dropped them in there,
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  Speaker 6: didn't say anything, put the food down, and all nine
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  Speaker 6: of the puppies just ran around the corner. And then
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  Speaker 6: we progressively started to add more and more complex obstacles
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  Speaker 6: to that obstacle course, and it was really cool to
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  Speaker 6: see the puppies like their mindset changed from when they
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  Speaker 6: first went in there, where it was like I don't
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  Speaker 6: know what to do, I just give up. By the end,
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  Speaker 6: they were like, I know what to do. Doesn't matter
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  Speaker 6: what you put in front of me, I'm going to
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  Speaker 6: go through it. And I think like the obstacle course
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  Speaker 6: was a really like vivid example of learning and overcoming
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  Speaker 6: a challenge. I think for a hunting dog, there's a
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  Speaker 6: lot of other things that come up in life, like
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  Speaker 6: for instance, a long retrieve or going into really heavy
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  Speaker 6: cover or getting into a boat, or even like hopping in.
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  Speaker 7: A dog trailer.
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  Speaker 6: Like there's lots of challenges or obstacles that they're going
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  Speaker 6: to encounter. I think starting really really small with something
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  Speaker 6: that they can have an easy outcome with, Like for
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  Speaker 6: us it was just go around one wall. I think
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  Speaker 6: that's really important rather than just throwing them into hard
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  Speaker 6: things right at the start, because really, like for people
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  Speaker 6: and for animals, we gain confidence through success. We don't
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  Speaker 6: gain confidence through failure. So if we put them into
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  Speaker 6: something where they're going to fail and be overwhelmed, like
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  Speaker 6: that only like suppresses confidence. So so I like to
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  Speaker 6: think of it as like give them the challenge that's
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  Speaker 6: that's easily surmountable. Make sure that there's a reward at
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  Speaker 6: the end, right, Like you can't just like throw them
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  Speaker 6: in the obstacle course and like hey like figure this
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  Speaker 6: out and when you get to the end, like we'll
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  Speaker 6: do it again, or there's nothing there, Like they have
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  Speaker 6: to have a motivation or a reason. With a puppy,
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  Speaker 6: that motivation often is going to be a treat. As
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  Speaker 6: they get older, that motivation might be the retrieve. So
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  Speaker 6: I can give a dog a really really hard retrieve
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  Speaker 6: and they've got to go out there and problem solve,
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  Speaker 6: and they've got to show courage and like go through
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  Speaker 6: this creek and over this burm and through these you know,
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  Speaker 6: chesti cattails and whatever. But they know that at the
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  Speaker 6: end there's that reward of like finding the bird or
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  Speaker 6: finding the bumper, but that all it doesn't start there,
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  Speaker 6: like that's that's the end product. So starting a really
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  Speaker 6: really small controlled environment, something that I know they're going
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  Speaker 6: to be successful in with a very clear reward.
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  Speaker 2: At the end.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and you view this as, you know, the confidence
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  Speaker 4: thing is huge, but you also look at this as
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  Speaker 4: like you're conditioning those dogs to be problem solvers, which
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  Speaker 4: we think about training and we look at it and go,
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  Speaker 4: I want my dog to do this kind of retrieve
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  Speaker 4: perfectly every time because that's the behavior I want. But
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  Speaker 4: then you take that hunting dog out into the field
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  Speaker 4: and you're like, you have to solve a series of
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  Speaker 4: problems in every environment. You know, we knock this rooster
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  Speaker 4: down here, that green head there, So you're actually teaching
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  Speaker 4: those puppies to problem solve. At eight nine, ten weeks old.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, and I think maybe, like problem solving and confidence
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  Speaker 6: are two different things, but I think they're inseparable here
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  Speaker 6: as well. Like if you have a really confident dog,
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  Speaker 6: it's gonna go out and like figure out a way
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  Speaker 6: to do it right, it's going to solve the problem.
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  Speaker 7: If you have a dog.
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  Speaker 6: That's insecure and like doesn't want to do anything, like, yeah,
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  Speaker 6: it's gonna fail. But yes, Tony, I think even like
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  Speaker 6: training could be like training, a new thing could be
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  Speaker 6: a problem that they have to solve, right, like like sitting.
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  Speaker 6: We think of sitting as being really simple, but really
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  Speaker 6: like if I'm holding a treat and wanting that dog
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  Speaker 6: to do a behavior, like, technically they have a problem
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  Speaker 6: they have to solve. They want to treat, they don't
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  Speaker 6: know what that behavior is. So yeah, with an eight
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  Speaker 6: or nine week old puppy, like they can start learning
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  Speaker 6: to solve the problem of like, hey, why are you
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  Speaker 6: just standing there looking at me with that treat?
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  Speaker 5: What do I have to do?
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  Speaker 6: Goes down to get the treat? Oh, I I think
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  Speaker 6: I might, you know, have a solution to this problem.
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  Speaker 6: So as they learned to start offering behaviors and trying
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  Speaker 6: new things to solve problems like correct those things get
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  Speaker 6: more and more complex as they get older, or the
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  Speaker 6: requirements that they ask.
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  Speaker 4: For sure, But can we switch gears here quick? So
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  Speaker 4: you are those puppies you were talking about that litter
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  Speaker 4: that you built a little obstacle course for. Those are springers.
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  Speaker 4: You are known for being an English cocker guy.
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  Speaker 7: Why, Yeah, I don't. I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I don't.
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  Speaker 7: So I've actually owned like eight or nine springers.
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  Speaker 6: I posted these these videos of these springers, and everybody said,
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  Speaker 6: why did you get a springer?
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  Speaker 7: Like, I've had quite a few.
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  Speaker 6: Of them, But cockers, I've I won the Open Nationals
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  Speaker 6: in twenty eighteen, I won the Amateur Nationals and then
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  Speaker 6: I won the Open Nationals. So and then I won
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  Speaker 6: the Open with a dog named Cato, and then I
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  Speaker 6: started Cato Outdoors off right after that.
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  Speaker 7: So everybody think, for sure, I've owned.
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  Speaker 6: More cockers, and I've had success and trials with cockers,
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  Speaker 6: so that that's why I guess I get associated with them,
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  Speaker 6: and I do love that breed in I have way
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  Speaker 6: more cockers than I have spears at this point.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, but there had to be a reason why you
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  Speaker 4: went to them first, and then you just kind of
• 15:13
  Speaker 4: you kind of glossed over this, but you went and
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  Speaker 4: won huge championships with them. What was it? What's it?
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  Speaker 4: What is it about?
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  Speaker 7: Yeah?
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  Speaker 6: So I got done with school and I was living
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  Speaker 6: in a little apartment with my wife, and I wanted
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  Speaker 6: another hunting dog because the one.
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  Speaker 7: My childhood dog, had died.
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  Speaker 6: And I'm a really impulsive person if nothing else. So
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  Speaker 6: I read a magazine article and somebody mentioned a Cocker
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  Speaker 6: spaniel and that they were little and that you could
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  Speaker 6: peasant hunt with them, and oh, I'm so I like,
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  Speaker 6: I think Google had like just come out. So I
• 15:42
  Speaker 6: did a quick search and found a guy two hours away,
• 15:44
  Speaker 6: and I drove up and got a puppy from him,
• 15:46
  Speaker 6: and I was like, I got a cocker like for
• 15:49
  Speaker 6: the small hunting dog, and I stayed with Cockers because
• 15:53
  Speaker 6: of the small hunting dog that also has a big personality,
• 15:56
  Speaker 6: like their Spaniels are like really really hypically people oriented,
• 16:01
  Speaker 6: like almost to a fault, like you can't go in
• 16:04
  Speaker 6: the bathroom without the dog like sitting outside the door, like, Hey,
• 16:07
  Speaker 6: when are you going to come back out to play
• 16:08
  Speaker 6: with me? So they're they're really really sociable, like they
• 16:12
  Speaker 6: want to like make this connection with you, Like you'll
• 16:15
  Speaker 6: see their face like the ears kind of drop and
• 16:17
  Speaker 6: they're just like trying to like, Hey, how do I
• 16:19
  Speaker 6: crawl inside your brain and understand you? And I really
• 16:22
  Speaker 6: like that about them. They're smart, really smart dog and
• 16:25
  Speaker 6: the small size is like it's conducive to living in
• 16:29
  Speaker 6: town or to traveling, and they can still do the
• 16:32
  Speaker 6: things that a big dog can do.
• 16:33
  Speaker 4: Well.
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: I'm a lab guy myself, but I'm sorry the size thing.
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: The size thing occasionally does seem appealing. Thanks so much
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: for joining us today. Great to meet you. And when
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: I get a new puppy here maybe in the next year,
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: maybe I'll give you a call, get some tips.
• 16:50
  Speaker 7: Yeah, give me a caller stop by. Wonderful meet you
• 16:52
  Speaker 7: in person.
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: Thanks Jordan.
• 16:53
  Speaker 7: Great, Thanks guys.
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: Yep, he knows a lot about dogs.
• 17:01
  Speaker 4: So I'll give you a quick antidote anecdote here. Have
• 17:04
  Speaker 4: you ever read All the Pretty Horses? Oh, Cormick McCarthy.
• 17:08
  Speaker 4: So the lead guy there, John Grady cole h he
• 17:14
  Speaker 4: leans down and talks to horses, so they he comments
• 17:17
  Speaker 4: on this or you know this is This is sort
• 17:18
  Speaker 4: of a central theme throughout that book, where it's like
• 17:20
  Speaker 4: you don't know what he's saying to the horse, but
• 17:22
  Speaker 4: he can break a horse better than anyone. And he's
• 17:24
  Speaker 4: got away with him and he leans down and he
• 17:26
  Speaker 4: says something to the conversation between him and the horse.
• 17:29
  Speaker 4: I met Jordan six years ago at an event and
• 17:33
  Speaker 4: he was he would do that with his dogs. So
• 17:35
  Speaker 4: they're performing in front of a whole bunch of people
• 17:37
  Speaker 4: and he leans down and he says something to him,
• 17:40
  Speaker 4: and so I'm like, I've read about that behavior before.
• 17:44
  Speaker 4: He's got away with him.
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: Man our vet, when when we first met our new
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: vet when we moved to Livingston, he opened the door
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: and got in and just got down on the floor
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: and started crawling around with the dogs. And then late
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: he sort of realized what he was doing and said,
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: oh hey, and introduced himself to us. But I thought, actually,
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: that's how I know you're real. Yeah, yeah, well, Phil.
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: Our next segment is The Price is Right, presented by
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: our friends at Shields. Here.
• 18:12
  Speaker 9: It comes from Bozeman, Montana Media Radio's Most Exciting ten Minutes.
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: It's The Prices Raight.
• 18:21
  Speaker 9: Tommy Peterson, come on down, Lake Pickle, come on down.
• 18:27
  Speaker 9: You're the next two contestants on Media radios. The price
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  Speaker 9: is right.
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: Dog Week condition presented by Shields.
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: This game is really simple. Now Phil's gonna tell you
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: about a product from the Meat Eater universe, and you're
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: gonna need to guess its price. The player with the
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: closest answer without going over, will be declared the winner.
• 18:47
  Speaker 4: And if both.
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: Players go over, you'll both be told to try again.
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: And the chat should play along as well, because whoever
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: is the closest answer will get a shout out from
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: Phil the engineer. All right, there are three pros for
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: today's show. Phil tell us about the first item off
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: forbid Here.
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: I got to play the product music Randall, it's very important. Oh, yep,
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: here it is. Let's start today's bidding with the Garmin
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: Sport Pro Dog Training Bundle. Is your dog selective hearing
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: worse than Ryan Callahan's. Has your pup come to confuse
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: the command here with quick running the opposite direction? Well,
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: those days will soon be a distant memory with the
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: help of the Garmin's Sport Pro Dog Training Bundle, rated
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  Speaker 3: the number one dog training collar of twenty twenty five
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• 19:32
  Speaker 3: of static stimulation to match your dog's temperament, plus vibrate
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: tone and a beacon light so you can keep track
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: of your puff on those midnight potties that last a
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: suspiciously long time. Plus there's a built in bark limitter
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: so the neighbors don't call animal control when you've got
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: to work late editing podcast recording that should have been
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: sent to you forty eight hours before. If nothing works
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: and your dog still sucks after your best efforts, hang
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: this remote around your neck with the included lanyard at
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: the dog park and at least still look like a
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: guy who takes his K nine training. Serious E coolers
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: should only be used after properly educating yourself on safe
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: and effective training method Side effects me include unsettling realization
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: that your dog coul fully understand ever command all along.
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: It's ald a professional dog trainer before use. Effecting this
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: made increase cure dog exactly smarter than you are.
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: Wow, Phil, Wow you are. That's a hell of a
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: side effects read. Oh Gil, I didn't realize the human
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: voice was capable of that. I thought it was always
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: done in uh after effects, but.
• 20:28
  Speaker 5: Hones stuff They fast forward.
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: Oh no, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, but no, Phil, you
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: just sound fast forward. So we've got the garments Sport
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: Pro Dog Training Bundle. What are your guesses, gentlemen? Here
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: it seems like a fine product again rated the number
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: one dog training collar of twenty twenty five fire friends
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: at Shields. And I will note these prices that we're
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: reading here are from Shields. You have your answers. When
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: we flip those boards over, Tony goes with one seventy
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: nine oh, and Lake goes with five hundred dot. Oh,
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: we've got a winner. The correct answer is two and
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: forty nine dollars in ninety nine cents. Tony, Well done,
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: well done. You got one of those.
• 21:15
  Speaker 4: I do not.
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: It's a competitive price, it is.
• 21:18
  Speaker 4: It's a great price.
• 21:20
  Speaker 10: Phil.
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: What have we got for our second item up for
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: bid here today? And I apologize these these descriptions are
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: much too long. I now realize having listened to your
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: first one.
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: I like them. It's fun to read them. How about
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: a pet safe automatic ball launcher? Is your throwing arm
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: begging for mercy while your dog's still begging for one
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: more toss? Does your furry friend have the aerobic endurance
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: of Janis putellus? But the only thing you want to
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: throw is throw back a few rum punches after say,
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: a long day of podcast recording with an eccentric opinion
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: m opinion in nuda opinionated individual who is hyper fixated
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: on a few specific activities that don't really align with
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: your interests. Wow, it says hitting home Randall. Problem solved.
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: This ball flinging miracle launches standard tennis balls up to
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: thirty feet, perfect for the dog who has more energy
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: than snort on peasant opener. With multiple distance settings, you
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: can adjust from a living room friendly to huck that
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: sucker into the next zip code, and built in motion
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: sensors prevent balls from launching when your unsuspecting family members
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: are in the line of fire. Your dog can even
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: learn to reload it themselves, though success rates very depending
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: on whether your pet is a graduate of dog Edu
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: or well not. Get ready to reclaim your sofa time
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: while your dog runs itself into a tennis ball induce
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: stupor nicely done film.
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: Ooh boy, that looks fancy. I wonder how much you
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: could possibly cost you guys, have your answers ready? Let
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: me flip them over here. Tony goes with forty nine
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: ninety nine and Lake goes with eighty nine ninety nine.
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: The correct answer is two hundred and nine dollars ninety
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: nine cents. Got a tie game here, Fellas. Boy, you
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: guys didn't have much confidence in the in the quality
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: of that tennis ball launcher.
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: You don't see a lot of those in my world.
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: I was just trying to rein it in after I
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: so like widely overshot the first good strategy.
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: And I bet people in the live chatter saying, but Randall,
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: you're not asking about the commenters and if they're guessing correctly.
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: But here's the thing I have not had time to
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: even look at.
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: I know, I know, I'm sorry, Phil, I really know.
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: It's okay. It's honestly, it's making my job.
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: The read is too taxing. I just the word counts too.
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: Guys can feel good about yourselves.
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: And the next one's a little shorter, though, I will
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: say I was. When I was preparing this yesterday, Sydney
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: walked in and I showed her the tennis ball thrower
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: and she said, oh, we should get that, And I said,
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: guess how much it is? She said two nine ninety
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: nine and I said, or no, I said it was
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: two nine and she said, we shouldn't get that right,
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: So had we been at priced at like eighty nine
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: ninety nine, I might be the owner of one. Anyway,
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: Onto our next item.
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: On a three month supply of Next Guard Chewables for
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: Dogs weighing sixty to one hundred and twenty one pounds,
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: It's Next Guard Chewable Tablets for Dogs. Is your fairy
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: friend a hair covered hideaway for blood sucking freeloaders, You
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: need Next Guard red box. These beef flavored death traps.
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: Don't mess around, don't.
• 24:16
  Speaker 9: Negotiate, annihilight, Send those nasty bugs straight to hell. Nextcard
• 24:20
  Speaker 9: Red Box will get the job done, no survivors.
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: One tasty treat each month gives your sweet pooch thirty
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: days of protection from ticks and fleas, and the red
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: box three months supply means fewer trips to the vet.
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: Next Guard, because the only things you should be sucking
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: the life out of are your soul crushing job, your
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: suffocating mortgage, the bone chilling cold of winter, and the
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: extential dread that your entire assistance is just a cosmic
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: joke played by an indifferent universe, not your.
• 24:47
  Speaker 9: Dog's disgusting parasites.
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: Knocked it out of the park, Phil, Thank you for that,
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: Thank you for that.
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, any time.
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: So we've got a three month supply of next job,
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: next guard chewables for dogs and again this is uh,
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: this is for dogs weighing sixty to one hundred and
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: twenty one pounds. Tony, Are you the next guard man?
• 25:09
  Speaker 4: Nope, and you'll probably figure that out pretty quickly.
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: Here, buddy, mmmmm, Blake, do you have dogs?
• 25:18
  Speaker 11: Oh?
• 25:18
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I got two of them. What kinds labs?
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: Oh? Good, good, good good. Well, when we flip those
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: boards over, gang, Tony goes with thirty nine to ninety
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: five and Lake says one hundred dollars. Lake, your closest,
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: but you went over. The correct answer is ninety dollars
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: and eighty nine cents. So Tony's gonna get away with
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: a cheap victory. Here.
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: I don't feel good about it.
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the low ball in price is right is really
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: a coward's move.
• 25:45
  Speaker 4: I mean I feel better than losing.
• 25:46
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, sure none of us fill as good
• 25:49
  Speaker 5: as Phill does.
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think Phil won that won that little segment.
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: Thanks for playing it was just.
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: A really good Yeah, thank you for those.
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: Thanks for playing along. Everybody, and remember to help control
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: the pet population, have your spade and neutered. It's oddly
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: uh prescient for Bob Barker to do this knowing that
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: we would do this now on Radio Live during dog Week.
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: He must have known.
• 26:10
  Speaker 4: Yep.
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: Let's take a break for some listener feedback. Phil, what
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: does the chat have to say?
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I apologize because I haven't been looking at the
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: chat uh for a while. So please get your dog
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: related questions or not dog related into the live chat
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: now if you would like them answered by our crew.
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: First comment comes from Brent Reeves. He says, little known
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: fact Lake Pickle can sing just like George Strait.
• 26:37
  Speaker 5: That's uh not true.
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: Oh, I mean I think there's only one way to
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: find out you look so good in love?
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: Hit me?
• 26:43
  Speaker 5: He looks so good in love?
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: Wow?
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: If it was on key, I prefer Jamie Fox's version,
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: though it's probably better. It is good.
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: Wokoum says, I have a question about dog's steadiness. My
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: two year old Chocolate loves the sound of guns and
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: is off the place so fast even when I just
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: raised the gun. How best to teach steadiness?
• 27:07
  Speaker 4: That's a tony question, I think, Well, there's kind of
• 27:11
  Speaker 4: a lot to unpack there. But I would say you
• 27:13
  Speaker 4: kind of have to back up and go the gun
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: should This is sort of going to be a parallel
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: to gunfire introduction, right we started with clapping, We started
• 27:22
  Speaker 4: like distant clapping. Then you work in some twenty two's
• 27:24
  Speaker 4: and that kind of stuff. If your dog recognizes that
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: gun as an excuse to break, then you got to
• 27:31
  Speaker 4: back up and work steadiness in a way where it's
• 27:33
  Speaker 4: like make him sit to wait to feed, make him
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: sit on the retrieves, and get the basic foundational steadiness first,
• 27:40
  Speaker 4: because what this sounds like is maybe there were some
• 27:44
  Speaker 4: false positives with the steadiness earlier. So we moved on,
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: and now this dog associates that gun with the best
• 27:50
  Speaker 4: thing possible, and you have to go back and go,
• 27:52
  Speaker 4: do you have steadiness down at first before that gun
• 27:56
  Speaker 4: comes anywhere near it? So I would back way up
• 27:59
  Speaker 4: on that before I brought a gun out again.
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: M Lake anything to add there.
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean one thing I would say, I'd say,
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: that's not the worst problem to have. I would rather
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: him be eager rather than the opposite of But yeah,
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: I mean, just echoing off of what Tony said, I mean,
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: all that's based off the foundation of discipline of a dog,
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: like just the foundations of obedience to everything. So I mean,
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: I don't have anything on top of what Tony said,
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: but taylor it back and just make sure that he's
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: steady to everything else and then advance back forward.
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and this sounds I don't know. I mean, I'm
• 28:31
  Speaker 4: filling in the blanks here, but this sounds like waterfall
• 28:33
  Speaker 4: training to some extent. And if you think about if
• 28:36
  Speaker 4: you have a dog that's that keyed up when a
• 28:39
  Speaker 4: gun comes up to jump or to break, now you
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: have a real safety issue because you imagine those birds
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: coming in everybody's eyes to the sky, and that dog
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: feels the same way you bring that gun up might
• 28:50
  Speaker 4: flare your birds. But now you knocked down a cripple
• 28:53
  Speaker 4: in the water, you're like, oh, I'm I'm gonna shoot
• 28:55
  Speaker 4: it before we send the dog. That dog jumps out
• 28:58
  Speaker 4: and you're you know what I mean. It's just like
• 29:00
  Speaker 4: that's one of those things that's really tough because it's unnatural.
• 29:03
  Speaker 4: Steadiness is unnatural for dogs, but it's a safety issue
• 29:07
  Speaker 4: aside from just a manners and behavior issue.
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: The other thing is like you never want to be
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: the guy on a waterfowl hunt that has the dog
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: that breaks you.
• 29:15
  Speaker 5: Don't you want to get a hand?
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: I don't bring my dogs anywhere right for that?
• 29:19
  Speaker 4: Probably?
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they're not trained at all. Phil, what else we got?
• 29:24
  Speaker 4: Uh?
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: One? Spencer Newheart asks Tony Lake, Randal and Phil, you
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: get to pick three hot dog topping for the rest
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: of your life. What are they?
• 29:34
  Speaker 4: Ketchup mustard relish, ketchup mustard, onions, ketchup mustard, cheese, cheese.
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: Cheese, mustard, sour kraut.
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: Hmm is that a Mississippi thing?
• 29:44
  Speaker 5: Cheese?
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: Are we talking like real? Are we talking like Frankfurter's like?
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: Or are we talking just brats?
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: How about? How about you get specific randals? Is what
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: the people are here for. It's dog week?
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know, just stick to hot dogs, ketchup
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: mustard relish.
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: Great. On that note, Heritage Tradition asks, have you guys
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: ever had a Seattle dog which is cream cheese and grilled?
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: Grilled? I well, I love a lot.
• 30:13
  Speaker 5: I thought he was talking about a breed of dog, right,
• 30:16
  Speaker 5: Seattle dog.
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: No, it's a great it's a great hot dog. It's
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: a great regional variation on a tried and shee classic.
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: Hardway, Alaska asks, my four year old blue tick has
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: separation and just high anxiety, high anxiety in general. Is
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: there hope on breaking her from this or is she
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: just a house pet?
• 30:34
  Speaker 4: So, separation anxiety is one of the biggest stressers in
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: most modern dogs life, Like, this is a real issue.
• 30:42
  Speaker 4: I would say, I don't know a lot about blueticks,
• 30:44
  Speaker 4: but I would say fundamentally, the dogs that get the
• 30:47
  Speaker 4: worst separation anxiety are not necessarily as confident dogs and
• 30:53
  Speaker 4: also haven't been not only exercise physically, but mentally. So
• 30:58
  Speaker 4: when you want to take the edge off a dog,
• 30:59
  Speaker 4: we kind of gloss over the mental part, like the
• 31:02
  Speaker 4: little problem solving games, like but you think about, uh,
• 31:06
  Speaker 4: you know, kindergarteners, right, like they learn, they have recess,
• 31:11
  Speaker 4: they learn, they play. Dogs are kind of the same way.
• 31:14
  Speaker 4: They need to run and get that physical exercise, but
• 31:17
  Speaker 4: they need that mental stimulation. And that's not going to
• 31:20
  Speaker 4: like totally cure separation anxiety because there's there could be
• 31:23
  Speaker 4: other stuff to unpacked there, but you can definitely sort
• 31:25
  Speaker 4: of mitigate some of the worst effects of it.
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I have house bets. So again, right, what else
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: we got Phil.
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: Well, Pete has a very pressing question, and I'm sure
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: you guys have an answer for him. It's Morelsey's and
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: any tips on training my thirteen month old visla how
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: to find them for me?
• 31:44
  Speaker 4: Is that a thing you could absolutely do that? I
• 31:47
  Speaker 4: bet you think so? Just positive association, man, I promise
• 31:52
  Speaker 4: you could probably train.
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: Okay, because I assumed it was a joke and I
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: read it like a joke, But if you think that
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: it could be possible.
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: No, there's there's a lot of like dogs that sniff mushrooms, right,
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: there are some, Yeah, but I shouldn't say a lot.
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: But that's a thing I think.
• 32:06
  Speaker 4: I don't know this for sure, but I bet you
• 32:07
  Speaker 4: could probably order up dried morel powder, which would have
• 32:12
  Speaker 4: a lot of surface area for cent, and you could
• 32:14
  Speaker 4: train year round. You know, it's kind of like shed
• 32:17
  Speaker 4: antler training. You know, a shed antler itself doesn't have
• 32:19
  Speaker 4: a lot of scent, but ground bone powder has a
• 32:24
  Speaker 4: lot of scent, and so I bet you could do
• 32:27
  Speaker 4: this better than you would probably think. But you have
• 32:30
  Speaker 4: that really short window of morel season actually have that
• 32:33
  Speaker 4: dog go out and get that practical experience. So you'd
• 32:35
  Speaker 4: have to figure out a way to train it off season,
• 32:37
  Speaker 4: and that's how I would do it.
• 32:38
  Speaker 5: I like it.
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: I've morel hunted with my dogs, but right none of
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: us found them.
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: And then another one from Pete how to encourage a
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: water shy dog to get more interested in swimming? Any
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: general tips for that.
• 32:52
  Speaker 4: Water shyness is way more common than people think. And
• 32:55
  Speaker 4: so in fact, the four year old lab that I have,
• 32:59
  Speaker 4: I had a hell of a time her into the
• 33:00
  Speaker 4: water and I didn't see that coming. Going on hot days,
• 33:06
  Speaker 4: get them really worked up, and then change your training
• 33:09
  Speaker 4: location to someplace with water. Clear water's the best if
• 33:13
  Speaker 4: you can get it nice, gentle slope, hard bottom so
• 33:16
  Speaker 4: there's no surprises. So that dog, you know, if it's
• 33:19
  Speaker 4: ninety five degrees out there and you've been training that
• 33:21
  Speaker 4: dog gets into that water, it's going to go into
• 33:23
  Speaker 4: the water to some level. But you don't want it
• 33:24
  Speaker 4: to hit a ledge and fall off, get surprised. You
• 33:27
  Speaker 4: don't want cold water, you don't want too much current.
• 33:30
  Speaker 4: And so for my dog, I tried all that and
• 33:33
  Speaker 4: she wouldn't go in past she wouldn't go in past
• 33:35
  Speaker 4: her chest, so her tail end would be floating and
• 33:39
  Speaker 4: I ended up having to bring out a pheasant wing,
• 33:42
  Speaker 4: take her to a new environment and use a pond
• 33:44
  Speaker 4: that right in the middle of it was just deep
• 33:46
  Speaker 4: enough where she'd have to swim. So I had the
• 33:47
  Speaker 4: highest reward she had ever encountered to that point in
• 33:50
  Speaker 4: her life to retrieve because she wanted that wing more
• 33:52
  Speaker 4: than anything. It was a new environment, so a mental reset.
• 33:56
  Speaker 4: And then as soon as she did it and retrieved
• 33:59
  Speaker 4: that wing, I know ever dealt with it again, and
• 34:01
  Speaker 4: it was like a three month process for me.
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: I had a similar experience set the dog. I have
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: now no issues the dog I had before him. He
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: was scared of death of water, like, wouldn't touch it,
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: and I had to. But he loved feathers, so same thing.
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: I had to build it up there and he did.
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: First time I put it in the water. He would
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: stand just on the edge of the water and bark
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: and wine until finally he just broke and went in
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: there himself.
• 34:24
  Speaker 5: And then problem solved.
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, my dogs just swim, don't have anything done.
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: Great, we'll call that for the segment now, but I
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: we'll do this one more time at the end of
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: the show. Yeah, please get those questions and I should
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: have more time to read them this time.
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: Thanks Phil.
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks Phil.
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: It's a great listener feedback break. It was We're on
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: a meat eater movie club. I'm already self conscious about it.
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: How long this is a mistake? Wilson rawls. Where the
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: Red Fern Grows, adapted for screen in nineteen seventy four,
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: is a beloved coming of age story about a young
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: boy named Billy Coleman and his two coonhounds in the
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: Ozark Mountains of Oklahoma. It lives on as a beloved
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: family classic that continues to resonate with viewers for its
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: authentic portrayal of rural life, the earnest performances from its actors,
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: and the emotional impact on the younger audiences. The plot
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: of Where the Red Fern Grows is relatively simple. Boy
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: wants dogs, Boy gets dogs. Dogs die prematurely, but this
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: minimalist narrative structure functions as a devastatingly elegant meta commentary,
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: like sisyphus eternally pushing his boulder uphill, only to watch
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: it roll back down. Billy Coleman's tireless efforts to acquire
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: his hounds, his meticulous training regimen and his eventual hunting
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: triumphs constitute an elaborate exercise and cosmic futility. The mathematical
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: certainty with which the narrative arc concludes in the death
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: of his short lived companions mirrors the inescapable terminus of
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: all biological existence, suggesting that the universe operates not as
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: a moral economy where hard work yields proportional reward, but
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: rather as a cruel charade that temporarily entertains their aspirations
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: before mechanistically dismantling them. Now, please indulge me. I'm to
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: depart from a subject at hand, but this will make sense.
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: On September fifteenth, eighteen thirty three, the English poet Arthur
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: Henry Hallam suddenly dropped dead of a cerebral hemorrhage in
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: the city of Vienna, Austria, at the tragically young age
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: of twenty two. Over the following seventeen years, Hollam's former
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: classmate at Cambridge, Alfred Lord Tennyson, paid tribute to his
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: dear friend at a sprawling narrative poem titled in Memoriam
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: Aah that wrestles with the inevitability of tragedy and loss.
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: Perhaps most Notably, the poem introduced Pictorian audiences to the
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: metaphor of nature red and tooth and Claw, later adopted
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: by the acolytes of Charles Darwin for its clear eyed
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: characterization of world shaped by the cold calculus of death
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: and survivorship. Where the Red Fern Grows serves as a
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: cinematic literalization of Tennyson's medicaeive elegy. The correspondence between these
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: works transcends mere thematic similarities. Both emerged from profound personal grief.
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: Tennison's for holem and rawls from childhood memory of his
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: own dogs. Both employ animal violence as a stand in
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: for universal suffering, and both ultimately questioned divine benevolence in
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: a world of struggle and violence. Tennyson's vision of creation
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: as an indifferent slaughterhouse quote so careful of the type,
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: she seems, so careless of the single life, finds its
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: perfect juvenile counterpart in Billy Coleman's Ozark Woods. The profound difference,
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: of course, is that Tennyson was writing for a sophisticated
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: mid century readership capable of appreciating three thousand lines of
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: dense poetry. Where the Red Fern Grows is curiously tailor
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: made for ambushing elementary school students with philosophical provocations. Were
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: Billy Coleman's Dogs merely a cruel diversion from the fundamental
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: emptiness of human experience. Perhaps most insidious is the film's
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: calculated subversion of Billy's crowning achievement, the hunting tournament victory,
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: through his grandfather's bumbling in aptitude. This transforms Billy's moment
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: of triumph into a hollow victory contaminated by chance and
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: human error. The message crystallizes with brutal clarity. Even when
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: one executes everything perfectly, random circumstance or the incompetence of
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: others can instantly nullify one's achievements. The trophy Billy receives
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: thus becomes not a symbol of genuine accomplishment, but rather
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: a monument to the arbitrary nature of success and failure,
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: a child's introduction to absurdity wrapped in golden metal. Most
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: remarkable is the film's half hearted gesture towards meaningful consolation.
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: The red fern, itself supposedly planted by angels where extraordinary
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: devotion exists, offers no genuine comfort. It is merely a
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: botanical curiosity marking the patch of earth where Billy's beloved
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: companions decompose. This supernatural element serves only to emphasize that
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: even the divine cannot reverse the finality of death. Now,
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: this reviewer is not prone to whining about the emotional
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: underdevelopment of today's coddled youth, discussions of generational decline, and
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: our society's refusal to teach children hard lessons or ripe
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: fodder for old men with talk shows. But there is
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: something refreshing where the word sorry I rewrote this by hand.
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: There is something refreshing about the films bitter, Oh excuse me, sorry,
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: this is just awful. There is something refreshing about the
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: bitter existential truth serving as the film's core message. Attachments
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: are temporary. Bodies fail, and nothing, not love, not courage,
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: not even narrative filmmaking convention can prevent our individual and
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: collective descent into oblivion. It seems as though children are
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: meant to absorb this nihilistic parable as a heartwarming coming
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: of age romp. The film endures as an unforgettable initiation
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: ritual into the awareness of life's temporary nature, ensuring that
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: generations of young viewers understand that emotional investment invariably leads
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: to loss, and the cycle continues with a frigid indifference
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: to human sentiment until all of us join our beloved
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: pets in the warm filled soil. Okay, now, Dog Week.
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: I didn't know what to make of this film. I'll
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: be honest. I remember reading the book as a child,
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: and I watched the film yesterday and I was horrified
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: and shocked by it. Tony Lake, what are your thoughts here?
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: So we were given that what we were told we
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: had to read that book when we were in second grade,
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: and we read it as a class and when it
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: came to the point where the dogs died, the entire class,
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: including the teachers, were like bawling in the classroom. Then
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: we watched the movie, and as a second grader, you
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: don't pick up on some of the things right. And
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: then she actually had a guy who was a coon
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: hunter come into our second grade classroom with his blue
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: take sounds.
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: So you could fully appreciate what had just died. That
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: was overscreen.
• 41:02
  Speaker 5: I think that's what they were getting at.
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they want to, but so rewatching the movie, having
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: not seen the second grade, you just pick up on
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: some things.
• 41:10
  Speaker 5: Uh, and I'll just just go straight into it.
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: I couldn't the first the first thing of the movie
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: they touch on. They're like Billy's family, his parents have
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: this goal. They want to move to Tulsa and take
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: over their uncle's speed store. So you're like, okay, that's
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: the thing, you go to the whole thing. He gets
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: his dogs, he trains them. There great coon dogs. The dog,
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: Old Dan gets killed. That's terrible. Then little Ann dies
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: and Billy is on the ground holding his dead dog,
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: crying that has just passed away seconds ago, and his
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: mom and dad walk up and they're like, you know, Billy,
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: this kind of works out.
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: Now we can move to Tulsa, right.
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: And I watched that.
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: I was like, sheesh, I forgot about I forgot about that.
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: In the opening when they talk to the mister Kyle
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: and he does mention that they want to move to Tulsa. Yeah,
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: maybe this is actually about the tragedy of uh, you know,
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: capital and labor having to follow you know, the market,
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: and and it's just it's a tragedy about how unrooted
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: we are from from our homes because of the system
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: in which we live. Tony, what are your thoughts.
• 42:17
  Speaker 4: Well, I'm on a piggyback here on what Lake just said.
• 42:21
  Speaker 4: I mean, I caught that too. I watched this yesterday
• 42:24
  Speaker 4: and finished it this morning. But also I wondered when
• 42:28
  Speaker 4: Billy tripped one of the brothers that fell on the hatchet,
• 42:32
  Speaker 4: I was like, is that involuntary manslaughter? And you know,
• 42:35
  Speaker 4: because it was pretty, they were pretty, they kind of
• 42:37
  Speaker 4: glossed over the fact that in a fight over this
• 42:41
  Speaker 4: white whale that he was chasing.
• 42:44
  Speaker 11: Here.
• 42:44
  Speaker 4: Uh so when he's inconsolably sad and his beloved dogs
• 42:51
  Speaker 4: have died and his mom's like, well, I guess we're
• 42:53
  Speaker 4: going to do the thing. Sorry, Billy, I'm kind of like, well,
• 42:57
  Speaker 4: Billy killed the kid like two weeks earlier, and you
• 43:02
  Speaker 4: guys didn't even seem to care.
• 43:04
  Speaker 10: No.
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: The next scene was they're eating dinner and grandpa really
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: wanted him to enter into the coon hunting tournament.
• 43:09
  Speaker 4: Right right, They moved on real quick.
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a movie about two dogs dying, but a
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: kid dies in the middle of it, and.
• 43:15
  Speaker 4: That's just sort of hes kind of a prick.
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like whatever.
• 43:21
  Speaker 5: The Grandpa's like, look, Billy, I know you killed that kid.
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but and his dad was a bad guy too.
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: His dad really right drives a hard bargain.
• 43:28
  Speaker 4: Well, I mean, but I think that was the lesson there, right, Yeah,
• 43:31
  Speaker 4: so the bad dad has bad kids. Yeah, the good
• 43:34
  Speaker 4: dad figures out a way to facilitate this coon dog
• 43:36
  Speaker 4: situation with Billy and it changes his life and he
• 43:38
  Speaker 4: becomes a man and movest Tulsa.
• 43:41
  Speaker 5: And I keep pinging on like the parent thing.
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: Before Little Ann dies, there's a scene where it shows
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: like Little Anne's distraught and she's not doing very well,
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: and she's on the floor and Billy's trying to get
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: her to eat, and the dad turns around at the
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: dinner table. He's like looking at somebody's got he pulls
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: his glasses off, he goes just looks like the life's
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: gone out of her anyway, and then he just.
• 43:59
  Speaker 4: Goes back to do what doing got, like young boy, Or.
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: When he brings back old Dan and he's like working
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: on him in the kitchen table, he just says something like,
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: I've never seen wounds this bad before. Needless to say, it.
• 44:17
  Speaker 5: Did not hold up for what I remembered in second grade.
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I was. I was also struck by how
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: often I had to go back and rewatch a scene
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: because the lighting was so bad that I couldn't tell
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: what had happened, right, I would like when they got
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: to the funeral, I went I had to go back.
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: I was like, what did one of those kids die?
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: And did Billy die? And then I went back and
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: saw that the hatchet thing again, same with the lions
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: scene happened very quickly.
• 44:41
  Speaker 5: What I want to know, how did they film that?
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: Like the Lions scene?
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and then like they didn't have c G I
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: back then.
• 44:50
  Speaker 4: I think they threw a mountain with those two dogs.
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: Ye, lions, see what happens?
• 44:55
  Speaker 4: That's the homeword bound thing.
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: I yeah. I didn't think this movie really warranted a
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: traditional discussion of what was realistic in it from an
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: outdoorsman's perspective and what fell flat from an outdoorsman's perspective,
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: because I walked away from it and just thought, oh
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: my god, there's a lot to say and there's also
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: not a lot to say, right, Yeah, yeah, I don't know.
• 45:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Sean Sean says, why the hell do all the
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: classic animal books end with death? Where the red friend
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: grills Old Yellow, Old Yellow? The yearling. I'm forgetting a few,
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: but can't we have a few creatures that live happily
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: ever after, And like it is true if pets, dogs
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: especially I feel are used a lot. It's kind of
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: like narrative. I don't want to say crutches, because a
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: lot of times the dogs are the point of the story.
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: They drive to apply. But it's it's their their death
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: or our fear of losing them that just it's like
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: a short cut to the heart strings, you know. I'm
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: trying to think of like animals that just like pets,
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: that are a part of a story, that are a
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: main part of a story, that end up living throughout
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: the whole movie or the whole book.
• 45:59
  Speaker 4: It's literally called a dog writing yeaheah, I mean it's
• 46:02
  Speaker 4: a it's a trope.
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: I just but I it's just shocking to me. The
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: guy was like, I got an idea for a book.
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: Dogs die. Here's the here's the twist. He didn't have
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: the dogs when the book began, and he had to
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: get the dogs. But then the dogs die. That's it.
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: That's it.
• 46:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but that's a story I mean that's been replayed,
• 46:25
  Speaker 4: that's been repackaged a lot.
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, it's a It's like a modern day Romeo
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: and Juliet. You know, is it I died young? Yeah?
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: I mean, that's that's another story. Just stands with people
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: that right. I think there is something to be said
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: for creative works that just end with untimely deaths and
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: then that's just the end, you know.
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: I think I think a good use of a dog
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: in media that kind of subverted the trope but also
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: fulfilled it is that episode of Futurama. Have you seen
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: a Futurama before? And many of you, oh, okay, it's
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: going to be a dull conversation. But the dog doesn't die,
• 46:57
  Speaker 3: but his owner, Fry gets gets trapped cryogenically frozen and
• 47:01
  Speaker 3: you know, travels through time. That's the whole idea of
• 47:03
  Speaker 3: the show. But there's an episode that focuses on the
• 47:05
  Speaker 3: dog he had before he was frozen. And then the
• 47:09
  Speaker 3: episode ends with the dog just waiting outside the pizza
• 47:14
  Speaker 3: place that he where he works at, without knowing he
• 47:16
  Speaker 3: was frozen. And it shows the seasons like time laps,
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: the dog gets older and older and old. Goh jeez,
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: it's incredibly moving.
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: I will say. I will say, just as my final thought,
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: the most realistic aspect about this movie for me was
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: that the hounds just turned barking into background noise right.
• 47:33
  Speaker 10: Like.
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: I was sitting there at my desk and just every
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: now and then I would register that dogs are barking,
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: and I was like, Oh, this is exactly what it's
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: like to spend time around hound dogs, right, yeah.
• 47:41
  Speaker 4: Absolutely.
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: And then the one runs out of house and just
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: jumps on the logs for no reason. I was like, yep,
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: that's a hound dog.
• 47:48
  Speaker 4: Yep.
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: So any final thoughts, I think we're running a little
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: overtime for a next guest here.
• 47:56
  Speaker 5: I wish I would have kept it in second grade.
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, some things are best left right in the ground.
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: Onto our next guest. Our next guest is a wildlife
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: parasitologist and the director of Clinical Parasitology at Cornell University,
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: doctor Mani Lagerne Mani, welcome to the show.
• 48:17
  Speaker 10: Thank you for having me.
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us. So you are on to talk
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: about ticks, and I think when it comes to dogs,
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: we're thinking prevention. So what is the best flea or
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: tick preventative on the market today and is there anything
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: that's a sure thing, uh tick preventative measure we could take.
• 48:41
  Speaker 11: I think my first advice is like the local veterinary practitioners,
• 48:45
  Speaker 11: they should be the best bet to forminate a plan
• 48:47
  Speaker 11: for treatment or control of tics. But I can just
• 48:51
  Speaker 11: probably comment on the trucks that are available on the market.
• 48:55
  Speaker 11: They can be broadly classified into two like one that
• 48:59
  Speaker 11: builds the tick and the other one that actually kills
• 49:01
  Speaker 11: the tick the repellance. One good example is permathrain as
• 49:07
  Speaker 11: the name suggest, like, you know, you apply on to
• 49:09
  Speaker 11: the skin and then they kind of not allow the
• 49:12
  Speaker 11: tick to attached to and take a blood meal and
• 49:15
  Speaker 11: that's what they do. But if the ticks are exposed
• 49:19
  Speaker 11: to prolong to this drug, they can in fact kill
• 49:21
  Speaker 11: the ticks.
• 49:22
  Speaker 10: But the second category, which actually kills.
• 49:24
  Speaker 11: The tack, like, there are a lot of threats available
• 49:26
  Speaker 11: the early version of those drugs, like their bit messy.
• 49:29
  Speaker 11: You need to apply on to the skin and h
• 49:33
  Speaker 11: and again there are a lot of safety concerns, say
• 49:36
  Speaker 11: after applying it until it dry, like you kind of
• 49:38
  Speaker 11: allow other pets to access the dog that got this
• 49:42
  Speaker 11: application as well as kids like you know, they are
• 49:45
  Speaker 11: not allowed to touch because of those safety issues and limitation.
• 49:49
  Speaker 11: The oners are not like actually combined with this drug
• 49:52
  Speaker 11: administration because in some areas where like the tick issues
• 49:56
  Speaker 11: the animal issue, like you know, like it is your
• 49:58
  Speaker 11: long issue, like you need to periodic we apply this.
• 50:00
  Speaker 11: But because of this limitation, it's really hard for somebody
• 50:03
  Speaker 11: to apply that. But the newer version, like they are
• 50:06
  Speaker 11: really good, like so they are designed for a rapid
• 50:11
  Speaker 11: kill of ticks like and these drugs are available both
• 50:15
  Speaker 11: as a topical application onto the skin as well as
• 50:18
  Speaker 11: like the drugs can also be given orally, so that's
• 50:21
  Speaker 11: the good part of this drug. And this drug class
• 50:24
  Speaker 11: is called the iso ice o soling.
• 50:28
  Speaker 10: Sorry about the tough pronunciation.
• 50:29
  Speaker 11: Of this, but again these are very good, very good
• 50:32
  Speaker 11: drug like you know once are like taken orally or
• 50:35
  Speaker 11: apply topically, and they can kill the tick within two
• 50:39
  Speaker 11: to eight hours, depending on which drugs you use. They
• 50:42
  Speaker 11: are that effective rapid kill. And then some of the
• 50:45
  Speaker 11: drugs in this class are also mount acting, like they
• 50:48
  Speaker 11: are effective for twelve weeks, and many other drugs are
• 50:50
  Speaker 11: effective for twenty eight days. So then you could establish
• 50:54
  Speaker 11: a periodicity of this application and the owners can comply
• 50:57
  Speaker 11: with And so I think like the new class of
• 51:00
  Speaker 11: drug which can be given oral, is the best bet
• 51:03
  Speaker 11: that are in the market to control a pluent tick infestation.
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: Gotcha, thank You's.
• 51:08
  Speaker 11: In question asked about like be if it is founded person,
• 51:12
  Speaker 11: I would say, like, the main issue here is owned
• 51:14
  Speaker 11: as compliance the lack of picacy, that the perceived lack
• 51:18
  Speaker 11: of efficacy is mainly due to lack of compliance with
• 51:21
  Speaker 11: the way the drug need to be administered, following the
• 51:24
  Speaker 11: label instruction or following the guidance from the web. Like
• 51:28
  Speaker 11: if everything is followed perfect, like the drugs are highly effective,
• 51:32
  Speaker 11: any drugs that are a in the market, they're highly effective.
• 51:35
  Speaker 11: But on the other hand, like I also want to
• 51:39
  Speaker 11: say that no drug is one hundred percent effective. Despite
• 51:42
  Speaker 11: you follow all the protocol label instruction, you still see
• 51:46
  Speaker 11: some ticks hanging onto the body.
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: So yeah, so the big thing is following the following
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: the manufacturer's directions rather than picking out a specific product
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: on the market. That's correct, gotcha. So the second thing
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: that I think about when I think about ticks is
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: limes disease. And here in Montana, there's just in the
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: news that we have our first known case of a
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: deer tick with limes disease in the state. Is this
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: surprising to you or would you have expected this discovery sooner.
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: I mean, how does what does the spread of limes
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: disease look like? From a from the chair of an expert.
• 52:22
  Speaker 11: I read this news as well, So lime dis is
• 52:26
  Speaker 11: very common here in New England.
• 52:28
  Speaker 10: I'm from New York, So New England states like it's.
• 52:30
  Speaker 11: Very common, and and and in mid Atlantic states, yes
• 52:34
  Speaker 11: it is there and also Upper Midwest is way like
• 52:37
  Speaker 11: you would expect lane disease on the ticks that transmits this, Uh,
• 52:43
  Speaker 11: this disease is more prevalent in data. But the fact is,
• 52:47
  Speaker 11: like a geographic range expansion for this tick is happening,
• 52:51
  Speaker 11: not just for this stick, for other ticks also across us. Like,
• 52:56
  Speaker 11: a geographic range expansion is happening. And now in that
• 53:00
  Speaker 11: like it is not surprising. But I read the news
• 53:02
  Speaker 11: and it seems like they collected this stick from a
• 53:04
  Speaker 11: hunting dog and then identify what the stick and also
• 53:09
  Speaker 11: found line in there. But it seems to me an introaction.
• 53:13
  Speaker 11: It's an introduction event. I don't know if the tick
• 53:16
  Speaker 11: is actually established in it. So when I say introduction
• 53:19
  Speaker 11: and see, so there are a lot of factors that
• 53:21
  Speaker 11: plays for a tick to get established in a particular
• 53:25
  Speaker 11: geographic locality like.
• 53:27
  Speaker 10: Host species abundant.
• 53:28
  Speaker 11: So in this case the deer tick, if you have
• 53:31
  Speaker 11: a white tail deer population which is exploding, yes, that's
• 53:33
  Speaker 11: a place where like this stick can s.
• 53:35
  Speaker 10: A Why not just a white tail deer.
• 53:37
  Speaker 11: There are other hosts like rodents and even birds, migrated birds,
• 53:42
  Speaker 11: all those so and again the other things such as
• 53:46
  Speaker 11: some micro habitat that would help with establishment of the stick.
• 53:51
  Speaker 11: So everything need to be lined up for the tick
• 53:54
  Speaker 11: to establish. So if it is just an introductory event,
• 53:57
  Speaker 11: like it happens with a lot of ticks in different places,
• 54:00
  Speaker 11: the ticks get introduced safe for example migratory birds when
• 54:03
  Speaker 11: they carry the nimful stage of the stick and they
• 54:06
  Speaker 11: can drop the stick of places, but on that place
• 54:11
  Speaker 11: where it is dropped off like, it need to established
• 54:13
  Speaker 11: and a lot of factors space rule for getting this
• 54:16
  Speaker 11: established up. So I can give one example here in
• 54:19
  Speaker 11: New York, like in Long Island, which is the east
• 54:21
  Speaker 11: of New York City. So thirty years ago loan start
• 54:26
  Speaker 11: tic which is not the deer tick. The loan start
• 54:27
  Speaker 11: tick was not in that known to occur in that space,
• 54:31
  Speaker 11: but at the eastern end of that Long Island it
• 54:34
  Speaker 11: was introduced three decades ago, and then the slowly spread
• 54:37
  Speaker 11: and now the entire Long Island is like full of
• 54:40
  Speaker 11: loan star tick. That's because of the white tailed deer
• 54:43
  Speaker 11: population which is like exploding exploded in that region, as
• 54:48
  Speaker 11: well as the wild turkey, which can host the stage
• 54:51
  Speaker 11: of the stick.
• 54:52
  Speaker 10: You know, they are also re establishing in that region.
• 54:55
  Speaker 11: So all these play played a major factor in allowing
• 54:59
  Speaker 11: the lone start to establish in that area. So the
• 55:01
  Speaker 11: same could be true for a dear take to establish
• 55:05
  Speaker 11: in a place like it has to have all these
• 55:07
  Speaker 11: factors in place.
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: So say you find a tick on yourself or your dog,
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: what do you want to look for in terms of
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: determining whether or not you should be worried? And then like,
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: what are some of the symptoms that would make you
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: concerned if they develop after finding a tick on your
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: your dog as far as Lin's disease, go.
• 55:30
  Speaker 10: On for line disease.
• 55:32
  Speaker 11: You know, dogs like they are not like humans in humans, like,
• 55:35
  Speaker 11: if you're bidden by a tick, dear take, like, it's
• 55:39
  Speaker 11: easy to see that you react to it and then
• 55:42
  Speaker 11: you get the disease and the bull sization, which we
• 55:46
  Speaker 11: all know can be caused by by the interaction of
• 55:50
  Speaker 11: the line disease into a host, especially in humans. But
• 55:53
  Speaker 11: the dogs they are different, like the disease are not
• 55:56
  Speaker 11: like typical, like the signs are not typical. And sometimes
• 56:00
  Speaker 11: like the dog don't even suffer from the disease, there
• 56:03
  Speaker 11: is symptomatic So it is really hard to say if
• 56:06
  Speaker 11: the dog has like based on looking at like.
• 56:09
  Speaker 10: You know the dog has picked up the disease or not.
• 56:11
  Speaker 11: But other non uh, I would say so other signs
• 56:15
  Speaker 11: such as like a fever and outrider is all those
• 56:19
  Speaker 11: things can occur.
• 56:20
  Speaker 10: So I think like a consulting event.
• 56:22
  Speaker 11: Is the best bet to confirm if the lime disease
• 56:25
  Speaker 11: is present by doing all additional ancileraty testing.
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: Gotcha, And one final question for you, other than other
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: than lime disease, what are some other Are there other
• 56:37
  Speaker 2: tick borne illnesses that dog owners should be worried about
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: or aware of, not.
• 56:45
  Speaker 11: Just the deer tick, Like there are three other ticks
• 56:47
  Speaker 11: that dogs can be infected with. In fact, like I
• 56:50
  Speaker 11: would say four others uh so the American doctic, the
• 56:53
  Speaker 11: lone star tick, and the brown doctic and the reason
• 56:58
  Speaker 11: one is the Asian long ham takes. So these all
• 57:00
  Speaker 11: can affect dogs and they come with their own pathogens
• 57:04
  Speaker 11: to transmit.
• 57:05
  Speaker 10: And I just want to comment about the Asian long
• 57:07
  Speaker 10: con take.
• 57:08
  Speaker 11: So this tick was not here in the US and
• 57:10
  Speaker 11: it was deducted in twenty seventeen in New.
• 57:12
  Speaker 10: Jersey on a sheep.
• 57:14
  Speaker 11: And this stick has a wide host preference and they
• 57:18
  Speaker 11: are seen in plenty in environment where this occurs and
• 57:22
  Speaker 11: as oft. Now as for the USDA study, like a
• 57:24
  Speaker 11: twenty one states where like the sticks has already been identified,
• 57:29
  Speaker 11: but not onto Montana like I think like a cancers
• 57:32
  Speaker 11: and the Missouri is where like it has been documented
• 57:35
  Speaker 11: so far, but they can affect dogs and they can
• 57:38
  Speaker 11: transmit what is it called the Rocky Mountain spotted fever
• 57:42
  Speaker 11: so in Montana like the Rocky Mountain would tick which
• 57:46
  Speaker 11: is responsible for trance meeting Rocky Mountain spotted fever to
• 57:50
  Speaker 11: humans as well as saying dogs.
• 57:52
  Speaker 10: But I know we know like it occurs there.
• 57:55
  Speaker 11: But if this new Asian long on tick, if they
• 57:58
  Speaker 11: spread to this new geographical area, they can be of
• 58:02
  Speaker 11: major concern. The reason is like Asian long on tick
• 58:05
  Speaker 11: or not like other ticks.
• 58:07
  Speaker 10: Like other ticks, they.
• 58:08
  Speaker 11: May they need for producing progenies. A female needs a male,
• 58:13
  Speaker 11: but with Asian long on tick like the females don't
• 58:15
  Speaker 11: need a it doesn't need a male like. They can
• 58:18
  Speaker 11: just produce progenies on their own. So if they hop
• 58:21
  Speaker 11: onto your host like they can produce, they can have
• 58:24
  Speaker 11: a blad meal produce a lot of progenies and then
• 58:26
  Speaker 11: they can swarm onto the host. And in some places
• 58:30
  Speaker 11: in Virginia, West Virginia, we have seen cases where like
• 58:34
  Speaker 11: cattle are infected with this host with this tick and
• 58:36
  Speaker 11: then they just drink blood and the host to death.
• 58:40
  Speaker 10: So that's one concern, but they are they can.
• 58:43
  Speaker 11: Also transmit Rocky Mountain spotted fever, so in new location
• 58:47
  Speaker 11: where the ticks emerge, and they can be of concern
• 58:51
  Speaker 11: for transmitting Rocky Mountain spot of few.
• 58:54
  Speaker 2: Gotcha, well, doctor Legerine, thank you so much for joining
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: us today and uh sharing some your expertise with our audience.
• 59:03
  Speaker 10: Yeah, thank you for hasping me. Thank you so much.
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: I appreciate it.
• 59:08
  Speaker 4: Now.
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: Our final segment this week is Throwback Thursday Dog Edition.
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: Throw Back on a Thursday morn, Stephen Brody, take me
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: back to nineteen seventy four.
• 59:22
  Speaker 2: Throw back.
• 59:24
  Speaker 7: I can't believe it, did?
• 59:26
  Speaker 9: I mention Stephen Brody our.
• 59:28
  Speaker 2: Old ass that's the kind of stuff we like to
• 59:33
  Speaker 2: do around here to have fun. Right, listen to Phil's jingles.
• 59:36
  Speaker 3: Pretty silly, huh, it's fantastic.
• 59:39
  Speaker 2: Well throw back Thursdays where we each share a photo
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: and share the tale that goes with our photos. Phil,
• 59:45
  Speaker 2: who do you have up first? For us?
• 59:47
  Speaker 3: I believe I have you first, but I can switch
• 59:49
  Speaker 3: it up in.
• 59:49
  Speaker 2: Oh no, no, let's go with what you have. I
• 59:51
  Speaker 2: don't want to cause any more trouble than I have already. Oh,
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: so this is I had a hard time picking some
• 59:58
  Speaker 2: of my dog photos and trying to simbliss story out
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: of them, so I thought i'd Dolly had an interesting
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: hunting season this year, and people ask if I have
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: a hunting dog, and I say no, but she does
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: end up going hunting quite a bit. This is her
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 2: as a puppy being used using an FHF bino harness
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 2: as a puppy carrier looking for some spring bears. And
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 2: then over time that was her first hunting trip. Over time,
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 2: we try to teach her about safety in the field.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 2: Next photo please, We practiced our marksmanship together. Next photo please,
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: And we did some habitat work, you know, giving back
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: to the wildlife that we all love. Next photo, please,
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: So Dolly joined us on a few hunts this fall.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: This is a deer that my wife Sydney shot, and
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 2: you can see Dolly there on the right and then
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: Rosie the good dog on the left. Next photo. The
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: day after that, we helped my buddy pack out an
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 2: elk and Dolly discovered her discovered her love for elk
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: and elk content. Next photo please. She carried the fore
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: limb of that elk for about one and a half
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: miles and then mysteriously dropped it once we got very
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 2: near to the vehicle. And then last, I believe this
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 2: is my last photo. Then she accompanied us on a
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 2: bison hunt and she went ape shit on that bison
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 2: and just every little piece of trim that came off,
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 2: Dolly ate it. And then she was very interested in
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 2: the hide as well. So you know, that's just sort
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 2: of a nonsensical, nonlinear explanation of my hunting experience with
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 2: my non hunting dogs.
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 5: That was lovely.
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 4: Thank you, beautiful Blake.
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 3: I've got your pictures up next. I didn't. I was
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 3: wasn't sure the order you wanted to.
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: Get in, So I don't think they're in any particular order.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: So that's that's my dog Knox.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: That's a real hunting dog.
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 5: Yeah, he's one of those.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that picture in particular is important because that is
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: the first pheasant, wild pheasant we were in North Kansas.
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: It's the first wild isn't that He found him flushed
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: and retrieved him all by himself, and I was I
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: think I.
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 5: Was prouder than he was.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: I was.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: I was pretty pumped that. Okay, that's a special one.
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: That's his first duck hunt ever. He would have been
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: like six months old at the time, and again I
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: think I was probably prouder than he was. Next photo polise, Sir,
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: I like this one in particular because I forgot the
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: dog stand that morning. So if you'll notice, he's sitting
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: on the bottom, the bottom half of a climber stand
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: and that is a cutout square patch of carpet.
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 5: That I'm using so it doesn't fall through it.
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 2: That's great.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, fantastic ingenuity.
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 5: Oh this is my favorite.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: So that's my wife Lacey, and uh, that was her
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: first duck she ever killed, big pretty green head and
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: it was just icing on the cake. I mean, there's anyone.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 5: Knows me like I'd love hunting with my dog. It's
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 5: just what and so being able to hunt with my wife.
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: She shot that duck and then Knox went and retrieved it.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 5: I was I was so happy. Is that? I think
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 5: that's it? Is there anymore?
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 3: That was a duplicate.
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 5: There you go.
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: That's so that's the archives of Knocks my dog.
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 2: Good looking dog.
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 5: Yeah, he's fun. He's a lot of fun.
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 2: How old is he?
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 5: Seven? Just turned seven last month?
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 3: All right, Tony, we've got a photo for you here.
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 4: So this is the only photo I put in because
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 4: this story is gonna take me a little while. So
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 4: this is this dog's twelve now, but in this photo
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 4: she was about a year. And for people who don't
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 4: know I, this dog's twelve. I have two thirteen year
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 4: old daughters. So I got a puppy, this puppy when
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 4: my daughters were one, which was a lot. So my
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 4: wife and I still fight about this, even though I'm right.
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 4: My wife came home and left a bag of groceries
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 4: on the counter. I come home later and the groceries
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 4: are on the floor and there's some rappers strewn around.
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 4: Because she's a lab, right, we left her home at
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 4: a lab or lab was home alone. I start looking
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 4: at it and I go, man, this looks like a
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 4: big box of raisins and they're all gone, and so
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 4: caught my wife. I'm like, hey, did you She's like, yeah,
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 4: I bought a pound of raisins, probably the only pound
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 4: of raisins we've bought in her life. Dog ate the
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 4: whole thing. They're supposed to be toxic to dog. So
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 4: I'm freaking out. So I take her to the vet
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 4: and she spends all day at our regular vet, and
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 4: the vet calls me and says, hey, you got to
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 4: get this dog to an overnight vet to monitor it,
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 4: keep it, keep the fluids going so it's kidneys don't
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 4: get messed up. So I'm wrangling too, you know, a
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 4: year and a half old kids and this dog. Take
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 4: her to the overnight vet, which is not cheap. And
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 4: then the next morning they call me up and I
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 4: got to go get her, and they're like, I don't
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 4: think any amount of raisins could kill this dog, but
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 4: so I load up the girls.
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 3: They're in there.
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 4: Pj's walk in there and Luna had never been away
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 4: from us, so Luna was losing her shit. And I
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 4: hear this dog going nuts in the background, while I've
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 4: got my two little girls who can stand and walk
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 4: but not real well, the vetech comes around the corner
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 4: like she's water skiing behind my dog, who heard my
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 4: voice and has the ConA shame on. Luna runs out.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 4: The first thing she does is run up to one
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 4: of my daughters and send her fly in, and my
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 4: daughter hits the floor where the scale, the dog scale
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 4: is on the floor with her face, and so my
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  Speaker 4: daughter's screaming and has blood coming out of her nose.
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  Speaker 4: My dog's losing her mind, and I have another child
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  Speaker 4: to wrangle who's just watching the whole spectacle. So we
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  Speaker 4: get We get my daughter's nose stopped up, go outside.
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  Speaker 4: I load up the girls in their car seats because
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  Speaker 4: I was kind of discombobulated. I didn't have the crate
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  Speaker 4: with so I put Luna in the front seat and
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  Speaker 4: I pull out into rush hour traffic and I look
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  Speaker 4: over and Luna makes eye contact with me and just
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  Speaker 4: starts pissing because she was so hydrated and the whole
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  Speaker 4: and I have nowhere to go because I'm in rush
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  Speaker 4: hour traffic now, So this dog's like looking me in
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  Speaker 4: the eyes. Well, I'm like looking down and there's just
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  Speaker 4: this puddle spreading through. So anyway, raisins are probably toxic
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  Speaker 4: to some dogs for sure, not that one man.
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  Speaker 2: That's good. Yeah, that's good. Yeah. We we accidentally we
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  Speaker 2: came home from the bar one night whether and our
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  Speaker 2: first dog was there, and we're eating grapes and we're
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  Speaker 2: throwing them up in the air and catching them. And
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  Speaker 2: we started throwing them up in the air to the arlow.
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  Speaker 2: We looked at each other and go, wait a second,
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  Speaker 2: our grapes toxic for dogs. And we looked it up
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  Speaker 2: and that's when we did the first uh you know,
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  Speaker 2: hydrogen peroxide, shake them up and let them blast it
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  Speaker 2: all out on the back lawn trick. We had to
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  Speaker 2: do that with Arlow. Yeah. Oh yeah.
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  Speaker 4: So I tried that with Luna and she just sat
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  Speaker 4: there drinking that up. She's like, give me more hydrogen peroxide.
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  Speaker 4: Oh like she didn't. It didn't work.
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  Speaker 2: No, we've used it a couple of times. Uh, we've
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  Speaker 2: used it a couple of times that that dog, Arlot
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  Speaker 2: had a very similar deal. We we made a bunch
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  Speaker 2: of soup, Like we made soup and stew and stuff
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  Speaker 2: all day and froze it all, and so the trash
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  Speaker 2: had like ten different pound like plastic wrappers from from
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  Speaker 2: Burger and you know, all the meat and stuff, and
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  Speaker 2: then two Costco chicken carcasses in there. So I took
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  Speaker 2: Dolly to the vet because she was like six months old.
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  Speaker 2: And I got back and I the trash is everywhere.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, where all the meat wrappers? Where are the
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  Speaker 2: chicken carcasses? And we go to the vet and the
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  Speaker 2: Vet's like, I don't know what to tell you, man,
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  Speaker 2: It's either gonna come out or it's not right and
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  Speaker 2: pay attention.
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  Speaker 3: Do you guys know if that's a breed thing or
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  Speaker 3: a size thing? Like why does the stuff like because
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  Speaker 3: I hear the same thing about like garlic and obviously
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  Speaker 3: chocolate and stuff like that where some dogs can have
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  Speaker 3: no problem with it but others don't.
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  Speaker 4: It definitely is a toxicity thing that way.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Because I will say we always heard like grapes,
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  Speaker 1: like don't touch grapes with a dog, and it's bad.
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  Speaker 1: But most of the stories I've heard are like yours,
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  Speaker 1: where it's like just turns out to be okay.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Hm, Well, I'm glad that you and your daughters
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  Speaker 2: and your dog were none the worse for wear after
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  Speaker 2: all that, although you're you're it's just seat of your truck.
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  Speaker 2: Sounds like it got the worst of it.
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  Speaker 4: Uh did? It was very It was easier pe to
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  Speaker 4: clean up than it could have been because she was
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  Speaker 4: so hydrated, which was part of the problem. Ye, It
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  Speaker 4: was more the fact that it was like a thirty
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  Speaker 4: hour ordeal that cost me like a grand Yeah, for
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  Speaker 4: nothing other than my wife making that huge mistake and
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  Speaker 4: putting my dog in danger. Yeah, I would like to.
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  Speaker 2: Say, gotcha. Well, I'm glad, glad that it all turned
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  Speaker 2: out all right.
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  Speaker 4: It did.
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  Speaker 2: That brings us to the end of the show, folks, Phil,
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  Speaker 2: do we have any final listener feedback?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah? I thought i'd go back to some interesting comments
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 3: we got during the movie Club We have. Peter He says, Wow,
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 3: Randall needs a hug, and Jesus Bradley says he might
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 3: cry in pity for Randall. Right now, Brian Lammer says,
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 3: what just happened? MD Outdoor says JFC Randall. Josh says,
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 3: tune into meat Eater today for your existential crisis, and
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 3: Brian says hand on face emoji. And then I kill again,
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 3: says my dog stopped wanting treats, even the highest, stinkiest
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 3: reward treats. It does not care about praise while training.
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  Speaker 3: Do you have suggestions? Thank you, gents, Never take that one.
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  Speaker 2: Never run into that issue before. Uh, he doesn't like
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  Speaker 2: any anything.
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  Speaker 4: I would ask, well, what kind of dog, right, because
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 4: I'd like to retrieve.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Does it have a special object where it's like that
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 4: toy is my toy? Like there you have to find
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 4: something that cares about.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. And if your dog doesn't care about anything, truly anything, Yep,
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  Speaker 2: they should seek professional.
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  Speaker 1: Help because I can think of some instances where the
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: dog not wanting treats might not be a bad thing,
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  Speaker 1: you know.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's double edged sword.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 3: Nick asks why are there still hot dogs left?
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  Speaker 2: It's a fair.
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  Speaker 4: Point there won't be in about five minutes with.
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  Speaker 2: Nick, the hot dogs came in here about fifteen minutes
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  Speaker 2: before the show. I ate three of them before the
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 2: show and started on my fourth at the beginning, and
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 2: then I felt sick. So I'm just going to be
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 2: very forthright with the audience. I felt sick for meeting
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 2: too many hot dogs.
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 3: Next question, Phil, you know we Brody had this problem
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 3: a few weeks Spencer was in the chat, yeah, and
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 3: fielding questions and just throwing off the whole cadence of
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 3: the listener feedback portion. He's been doing that again this
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 3: whole hour. He's been answering questions for people in the
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 3: chat and I it's we've and so we don't have
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 3: a lot of questions to pull from if you so,
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 3: if you guys have some, this is your last chance.
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 3: He got about thirty seconds here question Randa will have
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 3: another hot dog while while you get those questions.
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 2: I've still got this nubbins left. It's cold. I any
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 2: more questions for one, two, three, We're running out a
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  Speaker 2: dog week your gang. That's a weird way to end
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  Speaker 2: a show. Thanks for joining us, everybody. This has been
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 2: a lot of fun. I hope you enjoyed. Tony Lake,
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 2: thanks for thanks for stopping by. We'll see you next
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  Speaker 2: week on Media Radio Live, same place, same time. Sad enough,
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