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Jaguars Happy Hour: Monday, October 12 · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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  Speaker 1: It is Monday, October twelveth This is Jet Bars Happy Hour,
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  Speaker 1: Jack Wars Happy Hours, brought to you by Jet Home
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  Speaker 1: Loans and now full time radio host, part time place
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  Speaker 1: kicker J Negative. That's that is not not true. Welcome
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  Speaker 1: in Jaguars Happy Hour, presented by Jet Home Loans on
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  Speaker 1: this Monday, j P. Shadrick, Pete Prisco, Tony Boselli coming up.
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  Speaker 1: Here's what's on the program today and a full review
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  Speaker 1: of the Jaguars Texans game yesterday at NRG Stadium thirty
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  Speaker 1: fourteen the final. The Texans get their first win of
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  Speaker 1: the year. The offense struggled yesterday, Yes they did. They
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  Speaker 1: were two or four in red zone and then that
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  Speaker 1: doesn't count another one where they reached the twenty one
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  Speaker 1: yard line and didn't come away with points. The defense
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  Speaker 1: played pretty well through three quarters and seemed to run
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  Speaker 1: out of gas in the fourth. We'll get the social
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  Speaker 1: questions in the second hour. We'll go around the National
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  Speaker 1: Football League UH Pete Tony for the Elias Sports Bureau.
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  Speaker 1: The Jaguars are the first team in NFL history to
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  Speaker 1: lose three consecutive games to winless teams, excluding the season opener.
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  Speaker 1: Happy Monday how are we doing? Yeah, JP, I'm not
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  Speaker 1: sure that's really how I want to start the show.
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  Speaker 1: Um well, reality, Well, I think it was when you
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  Speaker 1: fix your earpots. I mean they really bothered them and
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  Speaker 1: they stick out like it's like the most annoying thing
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna do. You want Menna do like you and
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  Speaker 1: dug my head like, yeah, at least he's done on
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  Speaker 1: this phone. Like somebody on this show so annoying. You're
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  Speaker 1: annoying is an individual sometimes. Yeah, not a great stat
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  Speaker 1: I think, you know the last you know, we've had
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  Speaker 1: backback years with bad stats. I think last year was
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  Speaker 1: like five games in a row like the worst you know,
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  Speaker 1: margin to the feed or something crazy like that. This
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  Speaker 1: year it's three any teams getting their first win, not
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  Speaker 1: including the opening weekend, and so those are stats that
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  Speaker 1: you don't want, I mean as a franchise. And it's
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  Speaker 1: back to back years and it was a bad game.
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  Speaker 1: It was, you know, and it's not like the Houston
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  Speaker 1: Texas or a good football team. I mean, Pete and
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  Speaker 1: I said it all week and it was confirmed me
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  Speaker 1: watching tape and it was confirmed watching them on the field.
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  Speaker 1: That's that's not like that's a great football team you
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  Speaker 1: lost to by sixteen, and and we'll talk about all
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  Speaker 1: of it today, but you know kind of the you know,
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  Speaker 1: the feeling that in the conversation I should say more
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  Speaker 1: around fans and talk radio and all of us is like, well,
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  Speaker 1: if they haven't done this, and they go, if they've
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  Speaker 1: done that, if they could have got this break, and
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  Speaker 1: I said it this morning, at some point that you
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  Speaker 1: gotta stop that talk, because that's really how losing teams talk.
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  Speaker 1: You know, winning teams, you know, teams that win week
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  Speaker 1: in a week out are fighting for the playoffs every year.
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  Speaker 1: It's not that the mantra isn't well, if we really
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  Speaker 1: just got done this or made this field goal, it
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  Speaker 1: didn't make this mistake, we would have won the game.
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  Speaker 1: At some point, you just gotta win the game, Pete,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you gotta stop talking about all the things
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  Speaker 1: you need to do and just do it. Here's my
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  Speaker 1: advice to all Jaguar fans out there. Learn this. Cheer
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  Speaker 1: us Jets. I mean, seriously, you got to become a
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  Speaker 1: Jets fan. You know, if they win one or two,
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  Speaker 1: become a Jets fan. It's the easiest way and slops
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  Speaker 1: all your problems. Jets win a game or two and
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  Speaker 1: you don't win them. Get you, get you, Rember Lawrence. Simple,
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  Speaker 1: are we really gonna start the show? Therapet? I mean
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  Speaker 1: six next weeks? It's nineven weeks six, Yet we're just
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  Speaker 1: finished week five. We're in the beginning stage. I want
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  Speaker 1: to see all the tweets coming in today. App selly
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  Speaker 1: j E jets jets. Did you watch Lawrence Saturday night?
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  Speaker 1: So he is so good? Gosh, he's good. Um. I
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  Speaker 1: don't want to Trevor. If I took Trevor Lawrence to
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  Speaker 1: put them in this offense right now as is, they'd
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  Speaker 1: be explosive as health that is. I still think they
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  Speaker 1: need a pass catching tight end who can block or
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  Speaker 1: whatever to go with it. But the rest of those
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  Speaker 1: guys are good players. Offensive line is playing pretty good. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: the running back is really good. And sure they have
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  Speaker 1: to get involved with shoot outs because what's on the
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  Speaker 1: other side of the ball. But solves all your problems, well,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if it solves all the problems, because
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  Speaker 1: you got we'll talk about defense later problems too. I have.
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  Speaker 1: There's some problems on that side of the ball, and
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  Speaker 1: I don't want to go down to Trevor Lawrence thing
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  Speaker 1: number one. There's a bunch of teams with no wins
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  Speaker 1: right now, I mean how many? I mean it's and
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  Speaker 1: I maybe it's like this every year, but you have
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  Speaker 1: a bunch of bad teams. I mean, the Jets are bad,
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  Speaker 1: the Giants, and Giants are bad, but they're bad. The
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  Speaker 1: Falcons are terrible. Um, what other? Is there one more
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  Speaker 1: winless team? And Jets, Giants, Falcons the three winless teams? Yeah? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and so and they got a bunch of teams with
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  Speaker 1: one wins Cincinnati, Houston, Jacksonville, Denver, the Chargers, Washington, Detroit,
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  Speaker 1: Minnesota and those are the one win team. But between
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  Speaker 1: the difference between those teams that have won game yet
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  Speaker 1: as they all drafted a quarterback Hi in the first
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  Speaker 1: round and Matt Ryan's get up in the years. But
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  Speaker 1: he was a high first round pick. So was Jones.
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  Speaker 1: So is Donald. So that Donald and Jones if they done,
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  Speaker 1: you give up on them? Are they finished? Would you
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  Speaker 1: give up on those guys for that guy? Yeah? I
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  Speaker 1: think guy with two I'm and I'm a Donald. I
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  Speaker 1: mean that's he's a nice guy. I mean I still
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  Speaker 1: think Donald's gonna be good. I think Jones could be good.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think it's almost unfair to evaluate those guys
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  Speaker 1: with what they have around them. The teams are so bad. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: but let's go back to the jack. Yeah, let's get
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  Speaker 1: back to the Okay, we'll let back to the jack. Wards. Look,
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  Speaker 1: I thought the defense competed a little bit. I thought offensively,
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  Speaker 1: I didn't like some of the play calls. I'll be
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  Speaker 1: honest with you. Um. I thought the offensive line did
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  Speaker 1: some good things. He had time to sitting there, um,
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  Speaker 1: And the receivers are gonna be good players. I there
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  Speaker 1: were a little problem in the kicker. Come on, get Maddie,
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  Speaker 1: you kidding me? Four yards? Four yard? And then he
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  Speaker 1: couldn't quite get to the gold. Yeah, it was. It
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  Speaker 1: was a bad day for Mr. But guy, this has
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  Speaker 1: been this has been a really good red zone team
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  Speaker 1: this year. And they finally get to the red zone.
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  Speaker 1: They've been able to cash in a good amount. And
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  Speaker 1: two of the two or four in the red zone
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  Speaker 1: yesterday and then the other one line Yeah, because that's
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  Speaker 1: the friende red zone. Yep. So they missed on three
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  Speaker 1: opportunities in the red zone or right around the red
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  Speaker 1: zone yesterday, which is not hated. It absolutely hated it. Well.
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  Speaker 1: I think they had a missus sigment on the chanal
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  Speaker 1: call because they do the swing past him and you
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  Speaker 1: have Keelan Cole blocking down like on the defensive end.
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  Speaker 1: Him and Cam are doubling the defensive end. So either
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  Speaker 1: Cam was supposed to pull out and lead the way
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  Speaker 1: or Celan Cole went the wrong way. I mean there
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  Speaker 1: was a blown assignment there. It was not even we're
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  Speaker 1: talking about on this swing pass to the left. I'm
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  Speaker 1: talking about the one where he took the hand off
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  Speaker 1: and that was it probably should have been chanals. You
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  Speaker 1: can argue that and that wasn't. Yeah, but I know
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  Speaker 1: the swing pass you're talking about, because there was about
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  Speaker 1: eight waiting they had like a missed signmon. Something was
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  Speaker 1: messed up there. It was not designed right. And if
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  Speaker 1: it was, if that's how it was designed, it's the
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  Speaker 1: worst design plays ever seen because you have guys, you know,
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  Speaker 1: going the wrong way. Um. They were good in the red.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think they were good offensively. I didn't like
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  Speaker 1: the overall game playos off. They got away from the
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  Speaker 1: past game too soon. I mean, here's my frustration in
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  Speaker 1: the last two you mean away from the run game. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, run game. Here's my frustration. Last two weeks
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  Speaker 1: you played in the thirty first ranked Rush Defensive League
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  Speaker 1: and the thirty second Russian Defensive the league, and you
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  Speaker 1: had early success and then just I mean, that's a game.
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  Speaker 1: In my opinion, I said it in the pre game.
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  Speaker 1: I give I handed off forty times. Number one, you
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  Speaker 1: have a defense that's you know, beat up and struggling
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  Speaker 1: when they're healthy. Shorten the game, run the ball. You
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  Speaker 1: have a good offensive lineman they stink or stopping the run.
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  Speaker 1: You have a good young back. I think your quarterback
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  Speaker 1: struggle a little bit right now. I don't you know.
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  Speaker 1: And if you look at the flat and the straight numbers,
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  Speaker 1: you say, well, mints putting up good numbers, put over
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  Speaker 1: three yards again. The reality to me is he doesn't
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  Speaker 1: look comfortable in the pocket. Um. And unless the guy
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  Speaker 1: is like really wide open, it's not like he drives
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  Speaker 1: it into tight spaces and is throwing guys open. In
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  Speaker 1: this league, guys aren't gonna be wide open all the time.
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  Speaker 1: You gotta put it in small spots and and really
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  Speaker 1: UM helped them get open and put them where they can,
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  Speaker 1: you know, contest for and everything else. I just I
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  Speaker 1: don't think he's playing great football right now, and I
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  Speaker 1: don't even I think the offense is, you know, because
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  Speaker 1: of its sputters. And I don't understand why Dave Gruden
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  Speaker 1: is getting away from the ruck game so far. And
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  Speaker 1: I'm a big, big family Jake Gruden. I think he's
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  Speaker 1: a good offensive codinator, and it's almost like he senses
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  Speaker 1: that he has on the other side of the defense
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  Speaker 1: is struggling, and so that anytime he gets behind it
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  Speaker 1: feels like we get to the past too soon. But
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  Speaker 1: yesterday was not the time to do it. Robins were
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  Speaker 1: Robinson's first two carries of the game, because I think
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  Speaker 1: they won one one for nine or something, first down
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  Speaker 1: eleven and then here's the thing. First play the game,
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  Speaker 1: he won eleven yards. Next three plays pass pass, pass
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  Speaker 1: off the field. Yeah he went, and he went for
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  Speaker 1: four yards and four yards on the next drive on
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  Speaker 1: first and second down, So yeah, he should be. He
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  Speaker 1: should have been carrying the ball more early in the game.
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  Speaker 1: Then he went for fourteen yards, so he went the
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  Speaker 1: next the next drive, he carried it three straight times
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  Speaker 1: and even even on one in the second quarter where
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  Speaker 1: he looked like he had nothing and he kind of
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  Speaker 1: popped and ducked down low and got about six or
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  Speaker 1: seven yards on the sideline. Remember that run what you
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  Speaker 1: had in the half. He had to have almost all
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  Speaker 1: those yards at the halftree in the first half, five
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  Speaker 1: and a second and the second. Yeah, there is, there's
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  Speaker 1: the graphic. I'm sorry, that's just terrible. I can't get
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  Speaker 1: away from it. In a close game like that. Yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And of course, remember Doug Moron after the game and
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  Speaker 1: again today said, hey, you know, with all these defensive
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  Speaker 1: injuries that we had, there was a feeling they had
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  Speaker 1: to push the ball down the field and try to
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  Speaker 1: score some points, a little more points on offense than
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  Speaker 1: they had before. Considering I don't buy it, said paying
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  Speaker 1: I'm missing. I would tell Doug if you sitting there,
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  Speaker 1: I disagree, because if you're going to play the worst
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  Speaker 1: defensive the worst, not the second worst, not the third worst.
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  Speaker 1: And their middle linebacker was out yesterday too, Yes, and
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  Speaker 1: one of the better players is gone. I mean, this
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  Speaker 1: is a add rushed defense. The Vikings gashed them with
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  Speaker 1: a little offensive line, and you got this big offensive line,
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  Speaker 1: physical like you gotta run the ball because you shorten
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  Speaker 1: the game, keep your defense on the sidelines. Keep Deshaun Watson, who,
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  Speaker 1: by the way, he's not playing very good football either,
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  Speaker 1: in my opinion, keep him on the sideline and shorten
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  Speaker 1: the game and run the ball. Because here's the other
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  Speaker 1: thing that like, I would ask Doug and everyone else,
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  Speaker 1: you know, how many points do you what was the
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  Speaker 1: high point total of the of the Texas going into
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  Speaker 1: that game. It wasn't It wasn't many. It wasn't thirty.
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  Speaker 1: I'll say that it was. It was. It was high
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  Speaker 1: point total three. This is not a good offense. And
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  Speaker 1: you watch a game last night, right, Yes, Vikings did
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  Speaker 1: when they went there because their defense thinks they controlled
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  Speaker 1: the ball. They ran the ball. They gashed them. They
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  Speaker 1: did it the week before against the Texans. You gotta
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  Speaker 1: you've got an ability to catch all the clock. Well,
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  Speaker 1: you have a bad defense, you have to do it,
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  Speaker 1: you know. Now, that's a great plan. If you go
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  Speaker 1: there and you get followed up after a quarter and
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  Speaker 1: a half, then you got to amend it. But there
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  Speaker 1: were opportunities to run the ball yesterday. Do you know me,
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  Speaker 1: I'm a past first guy. I would have run that
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  Speaker 1: kid way more yesterday. Carries that you have in the
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  Speaker 1: first half JP, Yes, I'm sorry, eight of eight of
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  Speaker 1: his thirteen eight carries in the first half. That's not enough.
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  Speaker 1: But but even so to five and a second half,
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  Speaker 1: they weren't the game to get away from there. I
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  Speaker 1: mean they were, it was it was ten seven and
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  Speaker 1: a half time. Now, remember two guys that the Texans
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  Speaker 1: had like a seven team play drive in the first
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  Speaker 1: half at one point, like seven and a half minutes. Also,
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  Speaker 1: so I don't care the same JP. The time, the
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  Speaker 1: time possession. The Jaguars had the advantage of the time
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  Speaker 1: of possession a half time. They've had more time on
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  Speaker 1: the field than the Texas, and so you have to
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  Speaker 1: run the ball. This is a bad defense you're playing,
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  Speaker 1: and you have a defense that's beat up and it's
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  Speaker 1: not playing well. And by the way, you're playing an
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  Speaker 1: offense in the texts that haven't scored points. It's like
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  Speaker 1: the perfect rescue. I was literally expecting this would be
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  Speaker 1: a handoff test, like like how many how many? I said,
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  Speaker 1: I said before the game. Minimum this is a rookie
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  Speaker 1: who has not having a heavy load of carries coming
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  Speaker 1: into the game, Like I would have been fine giving
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  Speaker 1: him thirty five, Like you just load them up and
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  Speaker 1: like we're riding you and then if if you get tired,
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  Speaker 1: we'll put in the backup. Whoever. I don't even know
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  Speaker 1: who the backup is because they don't play. Chris Thompson's
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  Speaker 1: your third down back. Who's the backup running back? I
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  Speaker 1: don't even know who it is. I covered the team.
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  Speaker 1: I couldn't even tell you who would be like the
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  Speaker 1: next like, I don't know. But this is where you
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  Speaker 1: find out. This is the game they gave up. Want
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  Speaker 1: they give up? Coming in this game? A hundred any
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  Speaker 1: one point eight yards? A game that was it was.
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  Speaker 1: It was a bad right, no doubt. And the first
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  Speaker 1: two drives Robinson had five carries right, and then on
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  Speaker 1: that drive after they kicked the field goal went up three.
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  Speaker 1: Nothing Houston did after that seven team play drive. It
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  Speaker 1: was early second quarter. He got a carry on first
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  Speaker 1: and tent after a completion of Chanale he got to
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  Speaker 1: carry for no game. Then they passed the rest of
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  Speaker 1: that drive and twelve play touchdown drive to take the
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  Speaker 1: lead seven to three at that point. So a lot
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  Speaker 1: of the carries came early first quarter and then they
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  Speaker 1: kind of got away from it. I mean, and I'm
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  Speaker 1: sure Jay Gruden will i mean his argument to me,
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  Speaker 1: who was like, well, were the ball elevon straight times
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  Speaker 1: and score a touchdown? So we needed So I just
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  Speaker 1: don't think you can do that consistently. I mean I
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  Speaker 1: don't think that the teams. I mean, what did that? Wait?
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  Speaker 1: Did did the Texas come out in the second half
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  Speaker 1: and get a field goal? Right? Yes? Okay? So what
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  Speaker 1: was the drive? The drive after that drive? After that?
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  Speaker 1: Robinson right in for minus four yards? Menshow's sacked for
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  Speaker 1: minus five Minshee's short right to Chris Thompson for fifteen
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  Speaker 1: yards and it's fourth and four and they punted, okay,
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  Speaker 1: and I actually get like you lose? I mean, Oh'shaughnessy
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  Speaker 1: missed the block right there there running encounter, you know, uh,
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  Speaker 1: and he comes to you know what Norwell? J J.
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  Speaker 1: Watt he's got as soon he's got to be right
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  Speaker 1: off the rear end of Norwell because he picks up
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  Speaker 1: Zach Randolph and there's no one there and here we go.
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  Speaker 1: We're I mean, and he just that's okay, guys, miss Blox,
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  Speaker 1: I miss box everyone. And so I actually okay with
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  Speaker 1: um Jay throwing it on second and fourteen, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: now you're like and he gets sacked, So that's fine.
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  Speaker 1: It was a bad drive, but even after that, you're
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  Speaker 1: still in the gate. It was at that point it
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  Speaker 1: ends up being they didn't. It was did you go
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  Speaker 1: to twenty to seven at that point? JP? It was yeah,
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  Speaker 1: thirteen seven at that point, then yeah, I got to
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  Speaker 1: twenty to seven after that, yes, and yeah, and then
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  Speaker 1: you're almost out of it though, no you're not. Pete.
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  Speaker 1: The start of the fourth quarter, when did they scored
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  Speaker 1: him May seven? It was early fourth quarter, fourteen twenty four, left,
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  Speaker 1: fourteen twenty four. You had plenty of time if you
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  Speaker 1: run the ball down the field and go score, take
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  Speaker 1: four or five minutes, and they did, and minutes left,
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  Speaker 1: and it's it's it's ten minutes and they did. To
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  Speaker 1: your point, they got it within twenty fourteen, a ten
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  Speaker 1: play drive and it was ten eighteen to play. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: they did exactly what you just said. My point is, Pete,
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  Speaker 1: you gotta run. How many roll rushers in the game
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  Speaker 1: that they have. I don't think they're you're playing the
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  Speaker 1: worst rush defense in the league. You gotta run the ball.
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  Speaker 1: All right, let's come back. We've got plenty ahead. Obviously
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  Speaker 1: with this on the offensive side, we've got a touch
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  Speaker 1: on the defense as well. Yes, Tony, Yes, listen. I
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  Speaker 1: think and I've been a big advocate Jay Gruden. Like,
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  Speaker 1: I think he's a good coordinator. I mean, I think
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  Speaker 1: So I mean, we can gain a momentum I definitely
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  Speaker 1: the post game yesterday in Houston Welcome Back Jaguars Happy
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• 21:34
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  Speaker 1: maron coming up on what happened on fourth and one
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  Speaker 1: as well a little bit later in the show. Um,
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: but the Jaguar has made a roster move just moments ago.
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: Gentlemen involving the kicking position. Stephen Housk has been released.
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: Earl Davis defensive lineman released as well. The Jackson promoted
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: kicker John Brown from the practice squad and Karen Reid
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: defensive lineman. Both of those guys are on the active roster.
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  Speaker 1: John Brown was with the Bengals and the forty Niners.
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: He was undrafted as a kicker in ten. He was
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: a soccer player at Kentucky and then he transferred to
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: Louisville and switched to football during his junior year. So
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: he will now be the fifth kicker if he has
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: kicking stats in this game Sunday, the fifth kicker in
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: six weeks for the Jaguars, which will be a new
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: franchise record for kickers used in a season for the
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: Jacksonville Jaguars. The Jacks had four kickers back in two
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: thousand two, of the year after Mike Hollisp. You know,
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: it might it might five and five what is it,
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: five and six weeks might be in the NFL. I
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: mean I was, I'm trying to figure out what the
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: season record would be and I can't. You know, it's
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: a deep dig, so it's got to be close, right,
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: I mean as soon as six week period two thousand
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: and two they had four. It was a year after Hollis,
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: so Hollis had left in free agency and then they
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: I don't know if there was injuries or what. I
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: wasn't around then, but two thousand two they had four
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: field goal kickers that season that had stats. Can you
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: name of the selling Tony your muted for today? I
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: mean today we got two hours, Tony, I said this
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: was the best three minutes of the show yet. Actually,
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: let's let's put that thing on mute all the time.
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: So it's been a while since the Jags have had
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: this many kickers. Actually, this will be a new new high.
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: So anyway, now your now your sound is even that high?
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: What do you mean? My sound isn't that high? Are
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: you perfectly? You can't hear me? Isn't he a little fat? No?
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: We got him clear. It's probably because you have one
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: of earbuddy in toy by the way, but no, you
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: don't have one the computer. What is going on? Hey, Pete?
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: Why is like dealing with camera? We can your like nose,
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• 24:19
  Speaker 1: You're really we can't even see above your eyes, Pete, Like,
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: move your candy back, put your earbuds. What do you
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: want to see this? What is that? I don't want
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: to see? Predicu. They're not even playing football right now?
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: Why do we want to see that? Will be? They
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: will be playing football? And you know what, this is
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: the year they're going to the National Championship. They're going
• 24:38
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• 24:41
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• 24:46
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• 24:50
  Speaker 1: we the pack twelve is awful? Can we get back
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: to the Jaguars please? Okay, he's just for the records,
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: thank you. All right, we'll get the kickers coming up one.
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: That was the breaking news a moment ago. The Jaguars
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: announced that, all right, let's also get back to the
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: offense a little bit later, because that's a long conversation.
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: Joe said, you were going to be the kicker, j P.
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: Could you reach from forty could you wait? Would you
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: have made a field goal from twenty four yard? Yes?
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: Or no? Oh no, no, no, no, no no. Kicking
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: has never been my deal man, No way. Yeah make it?
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: If I had one of those uh Dempsey flat footed,
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: uh the club foot, you gotta go kick at soccer style?
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: Could you make it? No? No, I hit the long
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: snapper in the end. He wouldn't even make it to
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: the holder. He would just he would fall down. One
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: of the twenty four yards is just embarrassing. I actually
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: thought that. I thought that the fact that the forty
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: nine yarder came up short was worse. Yeah you're right, Yeah,
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: you're right, they were back to back to that made
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: it even worse than them just by themselves. All right,
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: let's touch on defense here, because going into the game yesterday,
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: a bunch of starters out. I mean, Josh Allen didn't
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: make the trip. C J Henderson was out with the shoulder,
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: Miles Jack was inactive. So it's like, oh, here we go.
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: Dakota Allen's getting the start at linebacker. You got Sydney
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: Jones out there at corner who has bounced around a
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: little bit in the league, and then Caleb and Chason
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: is making his first career start at defensive end. And
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: then Josh Jones gets run out of the game with
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: an injection. But you know what, j don't bring. I mean,
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: I don't understand why no one's at talking about this person.
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: No Nickel quarterback either, DJ Starter he goes out as well.
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: So that's five if you want to get those guys
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: either way. Veteran corner was not available, so they're going
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: into the game. It's like, oh, this could be real trouble.
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: But for the first three quarters, guys, they held their
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: own and played well. I had a couple of takeaways
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: and I thought I thought they played pretty well early, well,
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: Tony's right though, that Texans offense isn't very good. It's
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: not that David Johnson looks like it takes him a
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: week and a day to get to the hole, and
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: when there's a hole, it takes him a week in
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: a day to get through it. He's slow. Watts is
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: not playing well. Those were bad decisions. He made bad decisions.
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: I thought the receivers have speed. They're not bad, but
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: they're not. They're little. They have little receivers and they
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: don't have a number one. They got a bunch of
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: number twos and threes and and so it's not a
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: good offense. What do you think of the offensive line
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: they have? Because the tunsil makes a lot of money
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: to play left tackle. He's okay, I mean he listened.
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: He's in the upper echelon, but I mean I don't
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: know if I pay him points in million dollars a
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: year for three years. Okay, you see that much better
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: than Cam Robinson right now? Yesterday? No, No, I've actually
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: think Cam's better in the run. Tunks a little bit
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: better in the past. But that's not a good offense.
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: And so yeah, there weren't playing and granted Jackson has
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: had a bad defense and they were down. Well it
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: we still we still didn't get pressure. It's some pressure
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: on him. None, it was better. I mean we blitzed better.
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: We got home with the b and they flushed him some.
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: But they flushed him part of it, Yeah, but part
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: of that tape is and Peter, I would love your perspective.
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: I don't think Watson is very good in the pocket year.
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: He's all over the place. I don't think he is either.
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: I've watched all his games and gone back and watched him.
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: I think he's struggling. And when you look up at
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: the end of the day, what were his numbers? His
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: numbers were, We're bad, They're pretty good. Finish with three
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: touchdown the two interceptions, Watson was twenty five thirty five,
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: passing for three fifty nine, three touchdowns, two picks, one nine.
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: I know the picks were bad, but I mean that's
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: on the paper, that's not it wasn't. That's it this
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: way like min choose games at times, don'ty it wasn't
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: as good as the stats. Yeah, that's fair. I mean,
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: I mean he made now, in fairness to Watson, he
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: made some really pretty deep throats. Now he missed the
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: wide open David Johnson, but he made some pretty deep throws.
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: Uh yeah, the one on the sideline when when he
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: ran from the slot on Claybrook, that was a great
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: bro Hey, how about some of these how about some
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: of these guys that stepped in yesterday to start on defense.
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: Sidney Jones was great. But Sidney Jones I thought, was
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: he got an interception a couple of past breakups. I
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: thought he was good. He's gotta be on the field.
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: He's gotta be on the field no matter what. Pressed with.
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: Another guy was impressed with I thought d J. Hayden.
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: I thought Trey Herndon, um like praise. Not the fastest guy,
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: we know that, but he's a tough Sammy defender. And
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: I thought he was physical in the run. He came
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: up and made some tackles against David Johnson at the
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: Lion scrimmage form the nickel position. Really impressed with him.
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: Um was good to see Daniel Thomas out there. He
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: was throwing the action. I thought he was okay. Um
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: Coda Ellen made a couple of plays. He was much
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: better than he was the week before. After a week
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: in preparation and getting a lot of reps. Taysan still
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: is not making much of an impact. Um, he had
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: a chance one shot at on the stunt on the
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: stunt on the stunt that he just missed him. But
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: he's still learning, and you know, which is normal for
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: young working defensive ends, especially since he was not it's
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: a newer position for him. I contend that JP, you
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: watched more SEC football than any of us, But I
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: don't remember chaseaw I'm putting his hand on the ground
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: a lot playing defensive end on person second down for else.
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: That's right. I mean we say that every week, but
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: that's what he's doing now. It's true. Yeah, but it's hard.
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: It's not an easy transition for you. I didn't say yes,
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: Davin Brian made a play in the backfield, tackle for loss.
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  Speaker 1: D you're the two laughing, you're the ones three smiling JP.
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: JP was chuckling and you laughed, you smiled. He had
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: a big sprint on your face. It was good, It
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: was good, happy to be here. It was good for him.
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: It was good for a table to get that play
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: in the backfield. Three tackles, one for a loss. Also,
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: Dwan Smooth had a day and duck Bron said, it
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: is probably the best days had at least a couple
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: of years on this team. Um, yesterday had two tackles
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: that had a sack, three quarterback hits, which was a
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: good good day at the office for Smooth yesterday. He's
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: a good, rotational, try hard guy. That's what he is. Okay,
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: But so I agree with that, and I thought you
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: did have a good day. But guess what, that's where
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: I think Tavin Bryan is too, a good rotational try guy,
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: right and I think they've got a lot of those
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: guys right now. Correct. I would agree that how did
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: Hamilton's play in there, because I couldn't really focus in
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: on him. Doesn't do much, does he. I mean, he's
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: pretty good and he's a big body. He's getting better,
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: but he does a pretty good job against the run.
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: He's not gonna give you much pass rush. I mean
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: he's in those guard he's the first and second down
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: those guard that he's gonna be a pretty I think
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: he's gonna be a pretty good down player though. In
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: the run. Yeah, as a person second down those guy,
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: but he's not a dynamic pass rusher. I don't think here, no,
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: all right, guys, let's come back. We'll get back into
• 32:02
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• 32:07
  Speaker 1: me to come back. We've got an hour and a half,
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: so we could probably fill all that with the offensive
• 32:12
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• 32:15
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• 32:17
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  Speaker 1: Welcome Back Jaguars Happy Hour, j P. Shaddrick Tony was
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  Speaker 1: second hour of the show. So the offense there, there
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: was the answer right there that we talked about earlier.
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: That was the plan was to push it down the
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: gardner through the ball forty nine times in the game. Yes,
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: today way too. What's is it? What does he how
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: many attempts does he have this season? Right now he
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: has the fourth most attempts in the league, six and
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: he's second in completions a hundred and thirty seven this
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: year in the league. Started too much? And what's the
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: stat JP, I saw that like in the last five
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: times or four times or however many times or maybe
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: the two his entire career that he throws for three
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: yards that they lose. But that stack gets thrown around
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: all the time in the NFL. Usually if you throw
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: for over three hundred not anymore. But he usually used
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: to be if he took for over three and yard
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: you were trailing. But not anymore, that's not it's a
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: different stat now. My point is, you know, that's why
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: I just stats with quarterbacks today. You have to change
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: your perspective. It's not like it used to be. I mean,
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: you have to look at the whole thing. I mean,
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: because if you start playing from behind in these soft
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: coverages and in all the open spaces, you better put
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: some yards up. Yeah, it's it's more about the eyes,
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: what the I tell you, rather than the than the numbers.
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: I mean, look, Week one, seventy three yards, it's an
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: efficient week. It's a good week, but he didn't drive
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: the ball down the field. Week two was probably his
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: best game. Yeah, when they rallied back in that game. Yeah, yeah,
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: that was probably his best game. But I mean, I
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: I just I think Tony's right when he says he
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: doesn't throw guys open. If you're wide open, you'll find him.
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: And he's still not comfortable in the pocket. He's too
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: jump in there, he gets out too soon. You have
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: to have the confidence you have to get. You have
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: to have the confidence to see it and then have
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: the arm strengthen, order the confidence your arm that you
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: can just sit there and fired in that tight window.
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: And I wonder, you know, especially because he gets it's
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: almost like as the clock goes on, he starts moving
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: around and his feet are unsettled. And we saw it
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: early in the game. He actually missed a pretty open
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: um lebiscuits Chernault because he's like out of nowhere. He's
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: climbing up like running up the pocket and then trying
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: to throw it on the move. The ball it sales
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: on him so um. And I know people listen, I'm
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: not trying to nitpick or pick on Gardner again. I
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: want him to be the guy. The bottom line is,
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: if you look at this team right now, you're one
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: and four and you were struggling the last couple of
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: weeks and score points when it matters. Now you're scoring
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: points late, you're trying to come back, and you're doing stuff. Um.
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: But if you look at and you're barely doing that.
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: The Dolphins, you scored thirteen points, against the Bengals, you
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: scored what was but all very late. And against the Texans,
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: who are terrible defensively, he scored fourteen And this is
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: in the league. Whatever. This isn't the league where everyone
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  Speaker 1: score points, all right, So let's ask the question. Asked
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: the question, I said, we have sixteen weeks to make
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: that decision, or seventeen weeks with to buye like you know,
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: in seventeen weeks, here's another one. All right, Pete. Can't
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: he get better from this? You know we're gonna ask
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: that every week. Yeah, well, you asked it every week.
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: You asked the other one every week. The difference what
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: you are what you are usually that's all I'm gonna say.
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: I mean, is time out though, I'm gonna call you
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: on that because two years ago Josh Allen was awful.
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: A year ago at this time, he was below average
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: and looked like, oh my gosh, he can't see it.
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: He can't stay in the pocket. He runs at first opportunity.
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: He's inaccurate in a big arm, but inaccurate, and he
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: slowly got better throughout last year. Him tell him, tell
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: him the year. In the playoffs, there was still the
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: question they didn't win because Josh Allen wasn't ready for
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: them to win a playoff game. Then he comes out
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: this year and the dude is dealing and the dude
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: like m v P. You don't tell me, Pete, you
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: are what you are because you're a quote unquote ever
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: And what was he when he came out? He was
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: a six ft five for a normal is athletic. You
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: knew he could. You knew it would just take a
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: little bit of footwork and he would be fine. No,
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: that's but Pete, that's not fair because no one else,
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: like there's the majority of people were not on that
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: side about Josh Allen. They thought he was going to
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: another one. He's gonna play tonight. Justin Herbert when he
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: came out of Oregon, there were a lot of people
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: who thought he's gonna have issues. Correct, Yeah, I like
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: him watching him because I mean, now, if you're telling
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: me now, a better comment from you that would make
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: sense outside of what you just said being dumb. But
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: you can't get better? Is this Like there's certain traits
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: that if you have, then you have more room to
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: grow as a quarterback. Like you feel, what is this ceiling?
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: Let me finish, Let me finish. Justin Herbert, I'll use him,
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: six four athletic and has a rocket for an arm.
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: Maybe some questions about decision making in college Is he
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: accurate enough? Well, he's come out in the pros and yeah,
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: can you get better in the pocket? Can he make
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: better decisions? Absolutely? But he's accurate, he has a gun,
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: he's big, and he's fast. And so if your point
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: is like there's certain characteristics that you either have or
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: you don't, I agree with that. But to say a
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: guy kick it better, I tell what I'm saying is
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: there's a ceiling. He can get better, but he ain't
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: going over the ceiling. Where's a guy like Josh Allen
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: can get better? And that ceiling is way higher and
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: we're seeing it now. Same with Herbert. That's not what
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: you said, Pete, you said, don't get better? Okay, you
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: know what I meant. Last year has meant you better
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: than he was last year? Yes? Is he? I don't
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: know how much better is he than you his last year?
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: That's a good question. I like that. That's not a
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: not a lot better, but he's better. I think he's better.
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: That's interesting moments, I think so. But okay, if justin
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: Herbert goes the same level of better that that remds
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: you goes to who's gonna be a better quarterback? Well,
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: I mean, I mean there are certain traits that Justin
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: Herbert have that you are what you are. But you
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: have to define that, Pete, because if you said that
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: same thing with Drew Brees. And I hate doing this
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: because Drew Brees is a little bit of an anomaly.
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: I mean, there's not a lot of guys like but
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: he got better year after year. Every year he got better.
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: And it's not like he has a rocket for a
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: right arm. It's not like he's six five. Wasn't he
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: like a second round pick though? It wasn't like he
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: was deep down the draft like I agree with you.
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: I mean, j P, that's a good point. That's a
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: big time player coming out of the big Okay, all right,
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: he getta compare him to Drew Brees. Does he have
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: the does Gardner means you have the same arm Drew
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: Brees has? No, I can't disagree okay to him, No,
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm just saying, but my comparison to Drew Brees, Okay,
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: I'll compare him to Russell Wilson, a third rounder. Again,
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: I'm not saying he has the physical traits. Excuse me,
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: as far as arm strength is that Russell Wilson. But
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: I'm My contention with you is making the comment he
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: can't get better, can't you get Okay, let me take
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: that comment back. He can get better, but his better
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: getting better isn't going to be high enough to make
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: him the long term answer. That's all say. And I'm
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: not sure I agree with you. I know you're strong
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: in that. I'm leaning towards that way. By the way,
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: I know you're strong if you just said in fairness,
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: In fairness, you would have said the exact same thing
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: about Russell Wilson five years ago. Uh. Probably not. Oh,
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: you're so full of it. You were the most anti
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: in the world. I said, I thought he was I
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: thought he was decent. I didn't think he was a
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: superstar earlier in those years, and you never thought he
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: wouldn't be. He's a superstar is remember he is. He's mobile,
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: and he has a big arm um true or false,
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: And he has a big arm you've compared, And he's accurate,
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: and he like is a student of the game, and
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: he's competitive, you said, Pete. And I will hope I
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: will find somebody who has articles you were so. You said,
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: Russell Wilson is just a guy. He only wins because
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: of the defense. He only were it wins because of
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: the stuff around him. He's not earlier. Your quote, No,
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: your quote was, he's not a franchise quarterback. And it's
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: based on what you said. Hold on based on you
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: saying and if you use the same thing you just
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: said about Gardiment Show, then Russell Will it just is
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: who he is and you can't get any better. And
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: I don't buy that. Well, he first off, he had
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: this scoring defense, led the league in scoring four straight years.
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: Pretty easy to play quarterback with. No, and now he's better,
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: I give you that better the best in the Nflpare
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: him too. He's not the best in the NFL, but
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: you're gonna compare him to. You're gonna compare, So you
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: just compare gardenments. You're getting better than Drew Brees and
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: Russell Wills Jackson. Your quarterback issues are solved. You. No,
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: you're missing the point. Pete J. P helped me here.
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: I'm saying it's unfair to say a guy can't get better.
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: Now do you want to say you did say that.
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: If you want to say, because of his arm strength
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: and his size, there's limitations how good he can be,
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: that's fair. That's fair. That is a fair comment. What
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: is the ceiling? I don't know what that is? Is
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: it Ryan fit? It is? It? Is it? Uh? It's Pat?
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: Is it a guy like that's quarterback? Um darn Darnald? No,
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: the weak arm, No, the weak arm. Chad Pennington, Chath.
• 47:12
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• 47:14
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• 47:16
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• 47:19
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• 47:23
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• 47:31
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• 47:34
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• 47:38
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• 47:43
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• 47:46
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  Speaker 1: Pete Prisco, Tony Boselli for the record, Pete, you gave
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  Speaker 1: Bruce Evans is a good player. Who else Bruce servant,
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  Speaker 1: Bobby Wagner, Russell Wilson, a C C plus plus, Robert Turban,
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  Speaker 1: j Howard, J Howard defensive tackle, linebacker, Corey Tumor, corner
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  Speaker 1: Jeremy Lane, safety, Winston Guy we know him, offensive guard
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  Speaker 1: j R. Sweezy and defensive end Greg Scruggs. It was
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: a great is an A plus draft. But but you know,
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: just like you, just like you look, just like you
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: blew it. On the last segment, I'll say, yeah that
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: you went and regraded this in and gave it an
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: A plus. So wait, way to go hindsight, Pete, I know,
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: but no. See what I do is I go back
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: and admit my mistakes. Unlike most people, they let theirs
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: just sit there. I admit my mistakes. I'll write them
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: out every year. I go back three years to the
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: draft and go back and look at my stupidity, how
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: I made mistakes, but more than that, how the team
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: made mistakes. So can you can you like? That's a
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: good exercise that shows humility and self awareness. To make
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: sure you call out when you're an idiot, which could
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: be often. Can you do that with the last segment? No,
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: because you know what I meant. You took something when
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: you perfect You know you agree with me, you just
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: don't want to say it. No, I don't. I think
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: he I think he can get better. Okay, well, I
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: mean get better? How like? How give me? Give me
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: the level of getting better that he's growing for yards
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: the game and staying in the pocket longer. What's better?
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: I think? I think. I think he can recognize defense
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: is better. I think he can anticipate back his defense
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: is very well. Then, No, I think you can get better.
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: I think you can anticipate better. I think he can
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: be better in the pocket, keeping his eyes down field.
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: I think all those things, Okay, I think he can
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: get I think he has gotten a little better anticipating,
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: even though he's not great at it. I think he's
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: gotten better at things in the pocket, even though he's
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: not great at it. But I don't think all that
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: will ever take him to a point where he's the
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: guy and that Okay, that's a fair point. Now, I
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: can't argue that, and I'm not even sure I disagree
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: with you. At this point, I want to I want to,
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: I want to see more so that if you would
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: have gone with that last segment, Pete, I would say,
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: you know what, that's fair because there's gonna be limitations
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: on He's never gonna grow. Um, he's not gonna I mean,
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: how much could his arms strength increase? Which is the
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: difference when you use Josh Allen as the annaloy. You
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: can't use Josh Allen, I'm not. My analogy was the
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: fact that he got better, but he had the ability
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: to and the tools to get not much better, whereas
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: we don't know that. We don't see that with men show.
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: And the question is is what it is? The ceiling
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: are the things that are limited limited gardenments? You will
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: they make the ceiling too low for him to be
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: a Francise quarterback. And everyone likes to go back to
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: the Patriots picking Tom Brady in the in the fifth
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: in the sixth round and now is one of the
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: all time greatest quarterbacks. Ever, it's an anomaly. Number one,
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: it doesn't happen very often. Number two, Tom Brady had
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: a strong arm. Brady is six four or six five. Ever,
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: taally is tom Brady was not a great athlete, right so,
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: and he couldn't run very well. He's never run very well.
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: But what Tom Brady proved he was was great, super smart,
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: great to recognize the defense is and is one of
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: the best pocket as there's a buying time in the
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: pocket in the history of the game. His his limiting
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: factors of athletic ability, especially in the air that he
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: became great, which is we're not big enough to stop him.
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: He still had a high ceiling and he proved that out.
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: And that people missed it in the draft. Well, it's
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: one of the great misses because all you gotta do
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: is go back and day it. DP might remember this.
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: He lit up Alabama in the bowl game the point
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: where you watched it and you go, oh in the
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: Orange Bowl and he lit them up and you go,
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: oh my god, what is where is this kid coming from?
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: But everybody took credit for the wide receiver And remember
• 56:34
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• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: concerns all over the place, but you know I believe
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  Speaker 1: in the guys that we have. Um I believe that
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: we're all, you know, on the same page. You know,
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  Speaker 1: everybody's fighting their tail off like efforts not an issue
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  Speaker 1: like we we just gotta you know, pinpoint what exactly
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  Speaker 1: Welcome back second hour of Jaguars Happy Hour on this Monday,
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: after a thirty to fourteen loss to the Texans, fifth
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: in a row that the Jags have lost to Houston,
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: fourth in a row the Jags have lost this season.
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  Speaker 1: J P Shadrick, Pete Prisco, Tony BROUSSELLI glad you're along
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  Speaker 1: with us. Big stories. Well yes, before we get before
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: we getting a big story. Sorry, I want to cut
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: you off, um min she said something. I want to
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: give Dougs some credit because I mean, you know, question
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: calls and you know, we didn't like the call to
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: go on and we're questioning, you know, Jay Gruden getting
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: away from the run game and everything else. But this
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: is the one thing that Doug and his coaching staff
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: has done a great job with. The one thing you
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: can't question is how hard these guys play. I mean,
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: it is a group that plays hard from the first
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: snap the last step. And you know what, that is
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: a reflection of Doug Rown and his coaching staff. They
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: have a lot of young players. It is not easy
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: to coach this many rookies and second year players, and
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: especially with the offseason these guys had and trying to
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: install and get things in there, and the fact that
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: they have come out and that they and I know
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: no one wants to hear this as fans, and I
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: get it. It's about winning and losing, and being one
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: of four stinks. It's awful, and losing the way we've
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: lost a few last few weeks is no fun and
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: it stinks. But these guys, you can't question the effort
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: and the preparation and the hard work these guys are
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: putting in. They're young, they're inexperience, and they're inconsistent, and
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: that's why you've seen a lot of these issues and
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: they don't seem like they get and there they don't.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: Nobody likes losing. But back in the day when when
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: I covered you guys and you guys lost your babies
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: about it. Half the team, I mean, seriously, it's in
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: one game and you go in the locker room and
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: they start screaming at you and yelling at you and
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: getting I mean, you would agree that it's different, Tony, Well,
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: this is now we don't know either because we're not
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: in the locker room. Pete, that's true, but I mean,
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: but it doesn't seem like this is the teammate. And
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: granted it's a lot of young players. I get it,
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: but even that team, when Tony was on the team,
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: they had young players. When they'd lose, it was like
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: you'd go in the locker room and it would be
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: like it was nasty almost at times. And I don't
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: know why that was. Maybe it was me, but I was.
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: All signs point to that, yes, probably, but Tony knows
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: what I'm talking about. It was different. It was like
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: an it was an anger after lost. Is team you
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: talking about nineties? Even the nine team to take I
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: take them, which was bad? That team too. Yeah, we
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: were not I mean I was not pleasant to be
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: around if we lost. Oh but you were. You were
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: not pleasant, but you stood up and you answered the
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: questions and you were never totally disrespectful. There were times,
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: I mean, you and I have talked about this on
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: the show. A number of times. I was in a
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: bad mood and I might be a little bit uh cranky,
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: short or cranky and pushed back. But I always knew
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: that you guys had a job to do, and I
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: respected the job the media had to do. That it
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: was part of the process, and that win or lose,
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: you have to stand up and take your medicine. And
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: you know, and you know you always do in the
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: back of your head that you were going to be
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: a member of the media. I can honestly say that
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: is not true. It's gonna need the Hall of Fame
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: votes that some day. So yeah, that Tony knows what
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: I'm talking about. Tony knows exactly what I'm talking about.
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: It's just and I don't get and that's that's not
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: a bad thing. By the way, It doesn't mean they
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: care any less, just that they they seem to be
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: guys that want to go out and play hard, work
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: hard if you lose. It's not getting ugly, which I
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: think is. And I'm gonna go back to the flipping
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: of the culture because the last team you had problems
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: with some of those guys. There were some guys that
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: were nasty and the culture wasn't great. So I think
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: that's a good thing. And now and here's the flip
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: of the flip side of that peak. The test is
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: coming that if you keep on rolling off loss after
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: loss after loss, let me know, it'll be interesting to
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: see how Doug manages his young team if they can't
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: get to win this week against Detroit Um, which is
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: not a really very good team, but they have a
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: very good quarterback and they are fighting for a coaching staff,
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: fighting for their jobs. Um. I guess similar to Jacksonville.
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: If you lose this one and then you gotta go
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: to l A and you're one and six going into
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: that bye week, it'll be interesting. Yeah. But I just
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: don't get this that this is a group made up
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: of guys that are going to get nasty. I mean,
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: if you just think about it, they don't see it.
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: Somebody I heard on the radio the other day. I
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: was listening Jacksonville radio the other day and I and
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: and somebody said that Minshew was a little short with
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: his answers last week. Is that true? JP in Cincinnati
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: No during the week last week, because he seems like
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: he's always the guy that comes up and answer the
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: questions he's you know, I don't. I didn't really see that. Honestly,
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: he's he answers a question, he kind of gives you
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: a quote or two that that will be a money quote,
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: but then he doesn't give you a lot either. You know,
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: he'll say some things without saying anything. But he seems
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: like a guy that eat at his core. So he
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: might get tired of answering the same questions week maybe,
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: But I don't think he's I think he's the same
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: way you talked about Tony though. I think he understands
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: why he has to be there. Yeah, yeah, I heard
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: he's great with the media. Again, I don't understand that,
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: but I just heard that. I don't know who said it.
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: Maybe it was one of the guys on Franjie Show
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: or heyes, or one of those guys said it, and
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: it was I'll say this too, knowing the competitor that
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: he is, and I don't know him well, don't mind you,
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: but knowing being around the building a little bit, and
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't be surprised at all if he's upset with
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: the way things are going right now, and maybe it
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: does bleed a little bit. That's so, And I'm with you, guys,
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: I would be angry too, but I didn't notice it.
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: Let's put it that way. If you heard that, maybe
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: somebody what I heard on the radio. I don't. I
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: don't live there anymore. I'm not in that locker room,
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 1: not around the team every day. Yeah, but neither anybody.
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: But I don't think. Yeah, I would be more upset
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: if he wasn't upset about what's going on right now.
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: And I think he wants to go win games and
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: be a great quarterback, So why wouldn't he be a
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: little bit maybe had a little bit of attitude. Okay, fine.
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: It would be frustrating to be a media guy covering
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: the team nowadays because the way everything is, you can't
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: really cover him. You're not covering them, so weird man,
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: not being in there. It really is. Yeah, I mean,
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: you got no relationships, you got no no gossip, no
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: who you know what I mean. It's it. It'd be
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: tough to cover with the tea. If I was the
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: beat guy, and nowadays, in this year, I would have
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: a hard time with it. I'd be calling guys on
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: the phone and you gotta be able to communicate, Like,
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: I don't know, the rookie class. I don't know those
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: guys the drift, Like, right, what kind of guy is
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: James Robbinson, Like, I've seen him on the conference calls.
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: I'm sure he's a nice he seems like a nice guy,
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: and he's playing well, and but it'd be nice to
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: just have a ten minute conversation with him. I don't
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: know if i'd know what any of these guys look
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: like if I saw him on the street, right, I mean,
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: it's it's just like we're never around him. Like when
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: Fred was out of his rookie yeard, I remember going
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: to his locker and sitting there talking to him, and
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: he said he could rush for two thousand. I had
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: a headline and he could have yeah, and he could
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: scored a lot of touchdowns if Tom didn't take him
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 1: out either. Don't say that, believe me. Yeah, let's get
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 1: to some of the headlines of the day, of course,
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 1: the offense struggling and key moments. Yesterday in Houston, there
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: were three times inside the twenty five yard line that
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 1: they came away with zero points, and one of those
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: that they got to the twenty one at the deepest
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 1: point and then had a holding call and missed a
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: forty nine yard field goal, they were down inside the
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: tenant one point at a fourth and one came away
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: without points. Did they bail on the run? Tune soon?
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: That's a talking point today, Gardner though, as we've talked
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: about in this show already, he's throwing at forty nine
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: times a game. That maybe a bit too many, especially
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: when a lot of that game was a one score
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: game a lot of the time. Yesterday, defense though, did
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: their best considering the the starters that were out of
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: the football game. Four starters missed yesterday and another was
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 1: kicked out ejected from the game, but got away from
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 1: that group of guys on defense in the fourth quarter.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: Either way, it's a fourth straight loss and the third
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 1: straight loss to a team that I don't won a
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 1: game yet. Let's stay let's stay at the defense. Be it.
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: I'd like to beat your perspective and this defense get
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 1: better this year? Or is this an off season problem?
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: I meanbe Jeff and I have talked about it quite
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 1: a bit. You think this is an off season issue
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 1: that you can't address? Still, then it is what it
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: is that they're gonna give a bunch of points every week?
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: Or can they get better. M m uh. They have
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 1: a chance to get a little bit better, but I
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: don't think it's gonna be significantly better. I think they
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 1: lack power players inside to push the pocket. They lack
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: corners who well, let's let me correct myself, because I
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: think Henderson and Herndon and maybe if Sidney Jones starts
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: playing you had it's the group, isn't That isn't awful?
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: What do you think about the safety spot? I mean,
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 1: you got Wilson back, he made a play yesterday, A right,
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: Josh Jones is a really good He's really good, really
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: good at the run. Not a good coverage guy. I mean,
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't mean to be fair. I can't remember him
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: being a liability coverage though. Yeah maybe. But um but
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 1: if you get Wilson back and you've got a good group,
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: that's not a bad group. But again, it all goes
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  Speaker 1: back Tony. You know what this league is all about,
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 1: passers and pass rushers. If you have a pastor in
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 1: the pass rusher and pass rushers, you should be good.
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 1: So I'll say this, I think I think they can
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: get better. I think there's a ceiling how good they
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 1: can be. But the only way they're getting better than Miles.
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: Jack is healthy the rest of the year, and Josh
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: Allen um finds his group as a pass rusher that's
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: on the chance out closed. Were those guys to playing?
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: I know Alan wasn't close, but how it sounded like
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: Jack was close at one point? Well, I think the
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: word I heard of the press conference today, JP. Correct
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 1: me if I'm wrong that Doug Browne felt good about
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 1: everyone being back this week or injury wise, except for
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 1: Andrew Winger and Josh Lambeau. Correct. Yeah, Lambeau was going
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 1: to be until they switched the schedule around, and he
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 1: had a chance right after that original by, but now
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 1: it's going to be after the new by. But yeah,
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 1: Wingered is out for a little bit. Sounds like abdominal issue.
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 1: But the other guys they said they see about Josh
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 1: Allen on Wednesday. Didn't have anything really definitive today on Alan.
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 1: But we'll see on Wednesday when they all come back
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 1: to practice. So Allen didn't make it, so he was
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 1: done to begin with. Yeah, I think they can get
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 1: better like Allan's I'm still a big believer in Josh Allen.
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 1: I think he's a really good player. So um and
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 1: Miles Jack is the best player in the football team
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 1: right now. He gets back healthy, that's gonna help him.
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 1: And I do believe that table On Chase On can
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: get better throughout the year and he'll get more comfortable
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 1: rushing in the pastor in the position these playing, because
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 1: I do think he's a good athlete and he has
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 1: some physical gifts that can help. But I see him
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: getting better throughout the year. So I think they can't
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 1: get better because I think the rush of the pastor
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: you know, they'll be improved as the year goes on. Yeah,
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 1: I would agree with you. I think they can get better.
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: I just don't know how much better. And gotta get
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: down interior guys pocket that's what they need. They need
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: down interior guys who can push the pocket. And that's
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 1: that's an offseason deal. Man. You can't do that right now.
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: Hard to do that right now. I mean, they're promoting
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 1: us in the practice squad, but you can't go outside
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 1: the building and just find those. I mean, And in
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: the last four games, all offsines, they've given up over
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 1: I mean they have. I mean, that's just that's hard
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 1: to win football games when you're giving with that many points.
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 1: They're not. It's a league full of bad defenses, and
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 1: they're one of the worst. Let's be honest about it.
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 1: You said last week they're the worst. Pete, Yeah, they
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 1: might be, so you said they were. I'm just now
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 1: you're backing on. I'm trying to I'm trying to be
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 1: nicer this week. You're a little harsh. Last week, I'll
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 1: say they're the worst. They're the worst defense in the league.
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 1: I mean beat like, he's extremes. You can't get better?
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: This ceiling is this? He is? What? Are they the
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: worst team in the league? Defense? No? Who is? Um?
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 1: I was gonna say the Bengals probably they got what
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 1: Gino aackages on the field. They don't have the Jets.
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 1: The Jets are terrible on defense. They're bad, They're they're
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 1: probably the Jets and the Jaguars are probably two of
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 1: the worst. They're two worst. Trying to think who else
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 1: is really bad there? The Falcons are pretty close. Everybody's
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 1: don't give them mhm. Alright, let's let's get back to
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 1: defense stakes too. You know, they're on pace to give
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 1: it the most yards in the history of the NFL
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 1: right now, the defense, and they're five and Oh, what
• 1:13:49
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• 1:13:53
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• 1:13:56
  Speaker 1: Think about that? It's crazy. It's amazing, really is Hey,
• 1:13:59
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  Speaker 1: Question number one at Samuel Underscore of Underscore Duval, what's
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 1: the worst mistake we made this past offseason? And a
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  Speaker 1: good one. Stop. I'll let you go first. I gotta
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 1: think about that. Stumped, wow, what a question. The worst mistake?
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 1: Um wow? This was this one? Keep its status quoe? Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I mean some would say, you know, calais right, Klaus,
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 1: letting some of those kind of guys go, you know
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  Speaker 1: the bigger Most people would say the biggest mistake was
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 1: keeping it status quo. Let's be honest, coaching staff and
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  Speaker 1: GM is what you mean, correct? I could argue getting
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 1: to the point where it was so toxic that one
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 1: of your best young defensive players and Gokway didn't want
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 1: to stay on the roster and was willing to go
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  Speaker 1: pay play for what six million dollars lest or seven
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 1: million dollars left, whatever it was in um Minnesota instead
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 1: of signing a deal with you. Because the bottom line is,
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 1: and we can argue whether in Goquay was worth the
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  Speaker 1: money he was asking for, which I would say millions
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 1: too much for Godway. But at the same time, if
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 1: you figure out how to get a deal done within Gockway,
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 1: you use that first rounder on probably someone else in
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 1: Cable and Chase on Dad. You know, to some issues,
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 1: you have another parts of the roster possibly um, And
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 1: so I think it's it's it's always bad to get
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 1: rid of guys who love football and are good players.
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 1: Um that you drat that you found in the third round.
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 1: I would say that, And I get why they had to.
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 1: It was too much water in the bridge. And if
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 1: and not being a part of those negotiations, if Dave
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 1: Caldwell and the Jaguars organization told us that he was
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 1: not signing for anything under twenty million, then um, that
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 1: would make then maybe it's not as big as a mistake. Um.
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 1: I mean outside of that getting bad luck of signing
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 1: defensive interior defensive linement. One you've got a bad heart
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 1: and another one who decided to op out. You know,
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 1: is that a bad decision or bad luck it's just
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 1: bad all the way around. It's tough to place that
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 1: on Um, Dave and Doug Um. You didn't know al
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 1: would just gonna opt out you even though this pandemic
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 1: was gonna be what it is. I still don't understand
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 1: the process of the pre physical um of Gunter before
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 1: you signed him as a free agent. Why the issue
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 1: wasn't caught beforehand? Um? You know, so not knowing enough
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 1: about that. I'm not going to comment, but that's probably
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 1: more bad luck than bad decision. And then I think
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 1: a lot of people would probably agree with a lot
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 1: of people would say the big mistake was is not
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 1: making a change. Okay, I'm gonna ask you this, Tony.
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 1: You said if they had signed in gock Way, they
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 1: wouldn't drafted Caleb and Jason. Correct, you wouldn't need them.
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 1: You wouldn't need them. Okay, Okay, let's go through the
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 1: back end after Chason was picked, and you tell me
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 1: which guy you would want on the roster in place
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 1: of him, just that you know, Jalen reagor I'm gonna
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 1: who that is the place wide receiver for the Eagles.
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 1: Justin Jefferson. He's really good, But you drafted Chenalt in
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 1: the second that's fine, but just really good. Okay, Yeah,
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 1: he's very good. Yeah, Kenneth Murray the linebacker, been a
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 1: linebacker for the Chargers. He's not really good. Great, he's good.
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 1: But okay, you would have probably you've already already signed,
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 1: so you're not gonna pick up back? Uh who you're
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 1: going in an out? Uh? Jordan's Love No, Uh Jordan Brooks,
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 1: No Patrick Queen. But you've already signed Shoberah Wilson the
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 1: right tackle. No, No, ig Benogady, No Jeff Gladney. You'd
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 1: already drafted the corner. You're gonna draft another one in
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 1: the first round. Well, you could argue that, and how's
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 1: that corner? The guy you just said, how is he playing?
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 1: Glad He plays for the Vikings. You saw him last night.
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 1: He played for He's a good player. But you already
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 1: drafted Henderson at nine. Overall, you're doing two corners where
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 1: wherever you could argue, But at my point is I
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 1: guess you would argue if you if you haven't got
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 1: what would just and that you know when you had
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 1: a second round, a second first round, or would you
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 1: would you put a spend it on a big man inside.
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 1: I mean, there's a lot of things that means a
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 1: lot of what ifs. I'm not saying Listen, by the way,
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 1: I'm not even arguing that trading in Gockway was the
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 1: wrong move overall, because you have to understand what the
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 1: negotiations were, how much money he's working for. I mean,
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 1: the question stunted me, to be honest with you, and
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 1: I'm I was grasping at straws a little bit to
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 1: figure out what the biggest mistake in this offseason was.
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 1: And I didn't want to jump on the bandwagon with
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 1: Pete who said keeping status quo and so um Like,
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 1: I could argue that trading and Dockway was the right
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 1: move because of um the contract situation, but I go
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 1: back to the bad blood in the feelings between the
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 1: organization and in Gockway. We're not just this. This past
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 1: offseason is an issue that was boiling. It was a
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 1: boiling issue or rising to the top of a major
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 1: issue over the last probably twelve months and so. But
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 1: but the way the draft dropped out, you know, because
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 1: you think you'd if you if you had a got Way,
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 1: you'd want a big power player inside. That's what you
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 1: would ideally like it really wasn't there wasn't one there. Yeah,
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 1: you'd have to make that. You don't have to pick
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 1: kin Law at number nine and then get the corner
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 1: later in the draft. Correct. So there you go. There's
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 1: question number one, and that's a doozy that that got
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 1: us going here on the social questions. Let's go to
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 1: question number two at Jags. As we continue to get
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 1: deeper into the season, as Gardner approving more and more
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 1: to not be the guy In Eric quotes, what would
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 1: he have to do consistently in the remaining eleven games
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 1: to show he's the franchise I say, win? Yeah, I
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 1: mean that's a dumb that's a dumb answer. Well, thanks
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 1: a game. That's part of it. You have to show
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 1: that you can win games. You have to show that
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 1: you're progressing and improving, and that the skill set you
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 1: have um are greater than any deficiency that we know
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 1: about arm strength and everything else. So you have two
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 1: great such a get I'm so good at one of
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 1: those other skill sets. And I'll go back to the
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 1: question about the off season. I could argue that the
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 1: mistake was is not making a move to get Justin
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 1: Herbert in the first round, if even if you have
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 1: to trade up, because I mean, I'm of the opinion,
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 1: until you know you have a franchise quarterback, I think
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 1: you have to go get one. You have to go
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 1: find one. And so you could argue that was a mistake.
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 1: Um uh. And but as far as minshew and what
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 1: you know you have to see, I think you have
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 1: to see progress. I think you've seeing better in the pocket.
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 1: I see you have to see him starting participating better,
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 1: making those throws down the field, pressing the ball down
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 1: the field into the tight windows with accuracy, um and
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 1: being consistent in it um to a point that it
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 1: overcomes any limitations that you know he has. As far
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 1: as our arm strength, here's what he needs to do.
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 1: Get the doctors to give him stake gluten. Here we
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 1: go and get that arm on there and then you'll
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 1: buy that you'd have a really good quarterback. Well by
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 1: you saying that, Pete, you don't think there's anything he
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 1: can do that you believe that there's nothing he can
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 1: do to be proved to you that he is the
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  Speaker 1: franchise quarterback. No stronger I would disagree with that, And
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  Speaker 1: I think winning's part of it. Yeah, Pete winning winning
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 1: what winning three games? Is that part of it? No? No, no, no,
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 1: they have to find a way to win. I think
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 1: you have to get you have to get to seven.
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  Speaker 1: By the way, somebody sending a comparison, I don't know
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  Speaker 1: if you were going to read it on the air,
• 1:25:34
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• 1:25:39
  Speaker 1: he said, that's the ceiling is case Keenum? Do you
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 1: agree with that? Pete? Case Keenum might have had a
• 1:25:46
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• 1:25:50
  Speaker 1: see what he's saying. I do see what he's saying.
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  Speaker 1: Case Keena moved around. But if that's the case that
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 1: you have to get a quarterback, well, if you're the
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 1: first pick, you're going to get a quarterback anyway. I
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 1: don't care if you don't have the first pick. If
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 1: you have a top ten pick, you have to go
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 1: get a quarterback. You have to go find a way.
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 1: I agree, I agree, I agree. Anyways, I think they do.
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 1: And I came into the season with an open mind.
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 1: I really did. I thought he I wanted to see
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 1: him get better in the pocket. I wanted to see
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 1: him driving. So I'm gonna ask you I'm gonna ask
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 1: you a question, Pete. With what you saw last year
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 1: from the team and from Gardner minshow and having two
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 1: first rounders, would you traded up two picks in front
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 1: of the Chargers to go get Herbert? Yes? Absolutely, you know,
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 1: I have a herb. I think I liked Herbert coming
• 1:26:40
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• 1:26:42
  Speaker 1: he had a lot of uh characteristics that you like,
• 1:26:45
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• 1:26:48
  Speaker 1: do remember the scuttle butt was his personality Wasn't you know?
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 1: I didn't buy any of it. If I tell you what.
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 1: They love him in Los Angeles. Yeah, I know, and
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 1: players love him. That's the biggest compliment, Right, He's got it.
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 1: Believe me, he's got it. You know when you see it,
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 1: you know when you see it. Yeah, I mean that's
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 1: interesting because I mean, and I'm not gonna sit here
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 1: and say I would have been that strong where I'd
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 1: have traded two picks up to go get him. Um,
• 1:27:18
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• 1:27:22
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• 1:27:25
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• 1:27:27
  Speaker 1: a lot. Um but I you know, I just I
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 1: wasn't convinced. I was not convinced coming into the season.
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 1: And we talked about this in the offseason JP and
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 1: and on shows. Um the Gardener was the man not
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 1: saying he but I also wasn't convinced. He wasn't. And
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 1: when you are in a position of indecision with your quarterback,
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 1: then I think you gotta go find guys to compete
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• 1:27:52
  Speaker 1: up to four because the Giants wanted to tackle, and
• 1:27:55
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• 1:27:57
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• 1:27:59
  Speaker 1: got wills Are Beckton rather than take Thomas, So you
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 1: could have gone to nine into four and got him
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 1: if you wanted them. You know how I feel about Herbert,
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 1: I I'm with you. I'm I think the kid is
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 1: going to be if I think he's gonna be. He
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 1: is the guy that picked the partner draft, coming in
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 1: by everybody for his accuracy, much like Josh Allen was.
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 1: But you can look at him and you say, you
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 1: know what, there's a lot to work with their He's
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 1: gonna be a good player. But they didn't. So this
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 1: is what this is? What it is? Yeah, yeah, but
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 1: and that's why I'm not going to give up Home
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 1: Gardner yet I'm not in the same campus beat. I
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 1: think there is stuff he can do to prove to
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 1: me at least that he is the future of this franchise.
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 1: But but Tony, Okay, people will say, well, what if
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 1: he was in Jacksonville's offense, would he have the same
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 1: success he's had? The charges of it. The Chargers don't
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 1: have a ton of talent on offense. Well, actually offensive,
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 1: the offensive line is better for the Jaguars rather receiving.
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 1: The receiving corps a little bit better for the Williams
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 1: has a been and and so is the tight ends
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 1: really good too? On her Henry? Yeah, so they're a
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 1: little Mike Williams hasn't been on the field. He's been
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 1: throwing the guy that touched out as his last week
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 1: and came the guys off the street. All right. Our
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 1: next question comes from at Brandon Bush eight won seven, Pete,
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 1: I need your take on this. Oh boy, I can't wait.
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 1: Is it too early to admit the showburn experiment is
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 1: a bust? I know Tony's response will be no, because
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 1: he's been able to help Miles Shack moved to his
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 1: correct position, but I feel nine of the middle linebackers
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 1: could have done that. Uh. To answer your question, yes, okay,
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 1: wait time out, time explain why he's a bust. I
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 1: don't know. He's not a bus Is he worth the
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 1: money they spent on that? Okay, that's fair, that's a
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 1: fair quint. That's fair. And the answer to my answer
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 1: would be no, I have not seen anything that and
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 1: I think JP correct me if I'm wrong. Show is
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 1: one of the higher paid middle linebackers in the league.
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 1: Is that correct? I would say probably yes, Okay, And
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 1: I don't know. And I don't think he's one of
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 1: the more impactful middle linebackers in the NFL. I don't
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 1: think he makes huge mistakes. Um. I think he's in
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 1: the right place for the most part. But I have
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 1: not seen him make impact plays per se. Uh. Now,
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 1: we're only five games in. It's very early. Um. Right now,
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 1: I'd qualify him as a solid player, but it's like
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 1: it faired us to him. The guys in front of
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 1: him aren't occupying a lot of bodies either. They're not
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 1: that you know what I mean. They're not great up
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 1: front so it is one of those situations where it
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 1: might be nice to see him evaluated in a situation
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 1: where he has a lot more help around them. So
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 1: I'm I will give him, I will give him that
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 1: benefit of the doubt. But he's not a bus. That's
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 1: I mean, he's not a bus. Okay, he's the guys
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 1: that are making more than him right now, right inside
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 1: linebackers mostly Jalen Smith, who hasn't played close to that
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 1: country craft, Zach Cunningham he's a stud now he's good.
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 1: Miles Jack, he's a stud, Dion Jones, Bobby Wagner, he's
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 1: do you see him? He is so good on Alexander.
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 1: I'm good too, So then showbur this year. Yeah he
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 1: was hurt last year. But but I mean there are
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 1: guys you could go get too. I mean you, I
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 1: am always looking for a young bumper to go run
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 1: and chase. That's what I'm looking for. I would I
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 1: try and find a guy like that, you know what
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 1: I mean? Like? Okay, can can Jack Porterman play at all?
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 1: Do you know you drafted him? I think he's a
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 1: inside middle guy. I don't think he's gonna be out
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 1: there at Niggleby No. But he would he could play
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 1: on first a second down, dude, because I don't know.
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 1: I know, but still need a nickel and Schoeber can
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 1: play nickel. I don't think he's chasing guys. Hey, you
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 1: don't paying nickel that kind of money, don't you know?
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 1: He know you do? You pay an every down linebacker
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 1: that kind of money. But is he good enough? And
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 1: as a thumper, that's the question. Is he more of
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 1: a nickel on linebacker? I think you can thump. I
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 1: think he's that. I don't. I just don't know how
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 1: he can run, do you humper? I wouldn't watch him.
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't even Cleveland. I would have never qualified like running.
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 1: He's a sideline to sideline chase. He's a running chase gun.
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 1: I thought you were talking about quarterman. I'm sorry, ter right,
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 1: he's That's what I was talking about. Yeah, No, showers,
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 1: not out of curiosity where the Schobert ranking PF grades,
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 1: Not that this is dangerous territory for me because I
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 1: might lose it. You're not gonna lose it. I'll find
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 1: it though. Alright, next question. Next, we got time for
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 1: two more. Let's go to social number four see Scott
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 1: oh six oh two. What is the likelihood with the
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 1: trade deadline approaching and we try and trade to get
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 1: more draft picks? For example, D D. Westbrook isn't active,
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 1: but he could be used by a team looking for
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 1: more wide receiver. Then yeah, but you're not gonna get
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 1: any real trade value for d D. Westbrook. What do
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 1: you think you gonna get back at six seventh rounder?
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 1: Why would you do that? I mean, unless someone's willing
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 1: to give you a third or fourth rounder, I'm not
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 1: sure why you trade d D. He adds depth, He
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 1: doesn't cost you anything. I mean, I hate it for
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 1: d D that he has to sit on the bench,
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 1: But I'm not sure six or seventh rounder is gonna forced.
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 1: Media real excited about moving the guy that somebody gets
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 1: in case somebody gets hurt. Yeah, I keep it. By
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 1: the way, Shobert is seven ranked uh inside linebacker. So
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 1: there's sixty four if you count two for each team.
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 1: So that's the bottom half. Okay, let's put it by comparison.
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 1: Miles Jack is number one, as great as ninety one,
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 1: Showbird is forty seven and is great is the nine
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 1: number one? Yeah, he's been playing so well, but but
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 1: his grade was what I say is grade was Showbert's
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 1: grade is forty seven point eight. That's a significant difference,
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 1: how about that? And and if you want to rank
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 1: and run defenses by far as worse, let's go along
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 1: one more question social question all night from at sick
• 1:34:36
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• 1:34:41
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• 1:34:45
  Speaker 1: could always be worse, right, guys, Well, I think this
• 1:34:50
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• 1:34:52
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• 1:34:55
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• 1:34:58
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• 1:35:03
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• 1:35:06
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• 1:35:08
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• 1:35:10
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• 1:35:12
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• 1:35:14
  Speaker 1: I mean it's hard to argue, you know, you start
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 1: one in four and you lose, really you lost three
• 1:35:19
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• 1:35:23
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• 1:35:26
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• 1:35:34
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• 1:35:37
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• 1:35:40
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• 1:35:45
  Speaker 1: it'd be pretty bad. I mean he's not wrong because
• 1:35:51
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• 1:35:56
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• 1:35:58
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• 1:36:01
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• 1:36:08
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  Speaker 1: And how much have they practiced? Tony as a player,
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  Speaker 1: If you don't get a couple of practices, and is
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  Speaker 1: I can't even comprehend that being out that long, that's
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• 1:41:32
  Speaker 1: have they put the pads on one time in two weeks? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I think. I think it's um. I think it's a
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  Speaker 1: big I think it's a disadvantage as much as players
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  Speaker 1: don't like the practice because they want to play games
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  Speaker 1: only I do think, you know, practice doesn't matter, and uh,
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• 1:41:52
  Speaker 1: Bills are really good. By the way, the Bills get
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 1: caught looking ahead to the Chiefs next week. No think.
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 1: I think Sean mcdermaan a really good coach to me too.
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 1: So of course, now that we mentioned the Browns over
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 1: the Colts, Peter, the Brown's good. All of a sudden,
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 1: they want it. They leave the league and running. They're
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 1: the leading and what they've done is they made it
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 1: so it makes easy throws for Baker Mayfield when he
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 1: is in the pocket, though he's threw two terrible interceptions
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 1: and Rivers played awful yesterday. Did you see how to
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 1: pick six with the rounds? Oh? Yeah, Ronnie Harrison, Yeah,
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 1: the Browns do really well. Bet they can rush the
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 1: pastor Myles garrettson piece. Yeah, they do again. I think Kevin.
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 1: I I met Kevin Stefansky a couple of years ago,
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 1: and I've gotten to know him a little bit. He
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 1: is exactly what they needed in that organization. He's a
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 1: Philly guy. He's you know, he knows, he's got a
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 1: little bit of an attitude, but he's also smart. Right.
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 1: I think he's gonna be a hell of a coach.
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 1: I really do. I think they're on the right movement,
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 1: in the right direction. They're still not great on defense,
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 1: even though they rushed the pastor they still have some
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 1: issues on defense. Philip Rivers is not very good. Whoa
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, think about it. They've lost two games
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 1: and he cost them both of them. Yeah, I think
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 1: cause I mean, you see, he's the issue there right
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 1: now because they're playing good defense, good weapons. They don't
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 1: have a new weapons outside either. T Y Hilton can't
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 1: get going and so where else is he going with it?
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 1: The tight end Moley Cox has had some good games,
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 1: but where else what do they have? And no speed? Really,
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 1: so you don't think he's the issue right now? No,
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 1: I don't think he's playing well at all. I think
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 1: he's an issue, Yes, that's yeah. I know because you
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 1: love him. So let's get to our power rankings going
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 1: into week six. Actually with another game in week five
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 1: remaining tomorrow night Tony get us started. Please AFC South
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 1: Power rankings highly anticipated, painful listening to be a painful
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 1: segment for me. Um, I'm going with Tennessee tie is
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 1: number one. Even though I think the Bills are gonna
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 1: be him, I still think they're the best team in
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 1: the an SC South. Um the culture number two. Um,
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 1: even though I think, I hate to say, because I
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 1: looked really like Philip Rivers as well as a player,
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 1: but he might be on the doorstep of being done. Um,
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 1: because I think they have a really good defense. They
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 1: can run the ball. Uh, this hurts right now where
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 1: I'm about to say, but I can't deny it. The
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 1: Texans won, The Texans are three, and the Jags are
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 1: in the door there the doormat there last, I'll agree
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 1: with across the board. I would if if the Colts
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 1: had won, clearly they would have been the best team
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 1: in the division. But the way that Rivers has played
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 1: those two losses, come on, it lost to the Jaguars.
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 1: You should have won that game. Through two was the
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 1: two picks in that game and here two yesterday, he
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 1: just he didn't look good. He doesn't look good. And
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 1: so there's Pete Daily scored twenty points against the Jaguars.
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 1: They're gonna bench him. Pete. Well, there's people are asking
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 1: that question. They asked Frank Reich about it today and
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 1: he said, no, yeah, would you mention him? Not yet?
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 1: At least you gotta let him play it out from them.
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 1: So let's ranked quarterbacks in the AFC the South. Danny
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 1: Hill might be one. Watson too, uh minshun in rivers
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 1: the way he's playing. I mean, that's what I'm saying.
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 1: I think I might agree with you. But you know what, Tony,
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 1: we're killing rivers up until the last week and we
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 1: went and played to the Bears and they won. He
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 1: was completing over seventies something present of his bars is
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 1: but he's still is a hard time drying. He like
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 1: he's another one, has a hard time driving it down
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 1: the field. Yeah, because he's always been a guy that
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 1: uses his lower body and torque and drive the ball.
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 1: And I don't think he has any power anymore. Yeah,
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 1: he's just getting old. He's done. Probably, Pete, what were
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 1: your power rankings are the same as Tony's. Yes, exactly
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 1: the same, exact. No controversy this week, Okay, I mean
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 1: to get blown out. What if the Titans, Let's let's
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 1: spin it forward. What if the Titans kept blown out?
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 1: It's still I'm still picking the Titans over every teams out. Yeah,
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 1: and they're not that good. They're not that good. It's
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 1: a bad division, alright, So the a f C South
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  Speaker 1: week number five. And the Falcons made moves today after
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 1: their loss to the Panthers six. The metrough out the
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 1: general manager and Dan Quinn also out today. Pete in
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 1: Atlanta after an oh and five start. Yeah, that's one
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• 1:51:01
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  Speaker 1: I like both those guys, and I really like Dan
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  Speaker 1: Quinn as a person, and you know, I think he's
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  Speaker 1: a change. I get it why I hated for him,
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  Speaker 1: And I really like Thomas de me Trump. I've had
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 1: a lot of good conversations with them, and if you
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  Speaker 1: look at they they're probably one of the greatest runs
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 1: in the history of the franchise under him, um for
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 1: a little up until the last three years. So I
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 1: hate it for both those guys, but it is the NFL,
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 1: and this is how this business works. They never really
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 1: recovered from that Super Bowl loss when they had the
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 1: big lead, and they were never the same organization really
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 1: after that point. Obviously, they didn't really recover from that.
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 1: The Ravens over the Bengals three dominant seven sacks of Borrow.
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 1: The Ravens are pretty good here Pete obviously well, but
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson is not playing like he did a year
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 1: ago inaccurate. Yeah, he's got her shooting the ball over
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 1: the place. It's just not good right now. And he's
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 1: kind of pick up his game now. He was dinged
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 1: a little bit and didn't practice last week, so he
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 1: didn't run as much. But you know how I feel, Tony.
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 1: I think, once you have to be able to throw
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 1: from the pocket, because once the ability to run the
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 1: way he's run so far goes away and teams defend
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 1: them differently. And it's never. You don't get faster as
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 1: you get older. We know, I believe me. I can
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 1: speak from experience, and I know old man to still
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 1: he can speak from experience as well. You don't get older,
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 1: you you don't get faster to get older. So eventually
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 1: he's got to start playing inside that pocket and making
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 1: frozen there. And uh, he's not playing that well right now.
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 1: And I thought he made progress last year and that
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 1: and um even earlier here I thought. But then all
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 1: of a sudden, that Thursday night game I did, he
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 1: was all over the place inaccurate, didn't play well. I didn't,
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 1: and you know, and then the Kansas City game, I'm
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 1: sorry that Thursday, the Monday night game against Kansas City.
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 1: He just did not man, he was just so inaccurate.
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 1: And yeah, and he hasn't played great the last two weeks.
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 1: They've won football games because they have some talent and
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 1: he can still beat with his legs because he is
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 1: so athletic. But he's gonna play better. I think he will.
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 1: He's a competitive defense. Won that game yesterday. They got
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 1: all of Joe Burrow. We can't they can't pretend. I know,
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 1: well they protected against one team. Let's move along. The
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 1: Raiders over the Chiefs forty to thirty two. And well,
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 1: they called it. They said, in order for this to
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 1: be a rivalry, the Raiders said they gotta win some
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 1: of these games against the Chiefs. They would out and
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 1: did it. Derek Carr had our car had a nice
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 1: game yesterday. He did have a nice game and that
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 1: A couple of things about that game. One Antonio will
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 1: know this. The Chiefs play offensive line is not playing
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 1: very well. There, you know, right right. Tackle Mitchell Schwartz
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 1: played great last year. He's not playing very well. The
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 1: rest of the line's not playing well. He's taking too
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 1: many shots and I think teams are starting to make
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 1: him like Gus Bradley always does make him be patient,
• 1:53:51
  Speaker 1: and he doesn't like it. He doesn't like it at all.
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 1: And they did a really good job the Raiders. They
• 1:53:56
  Speaker 1: spied him the whole game with RD and key. They
• 1:53:58
  Speaker 1: did a lot of really creative things, and uh, I
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 1: think it's they got to pick it up. And they
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 1: played the Bills next week the Chiefs, and they lost
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 1: the left tackle assembly he was card off the field,
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 1: I mean guard injury, the guard left guard to torn
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 1: ptellent attendance in both knees. Yes, and the same play. Yes,
• 1:54:22
  Speaker 1: how does that happen? Happened a wide receiver named Wendell
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 1: Davis years ago, and it happens to Bronco player once
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 1: as well. That it's it's weird. He's done. Agreed with
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 1: everything you said, Pete. Cardinals over the Jets thirty to ten.
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 1: The Jets are awful. The Steelers over the Eagles thirty
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 1: eight twenty nine, and not too far down the road,
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 1: the Jags get the Steelers. Chase Claypool stealers, fight receivers everywhere.
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 1: Every single year, they've been looking at Antonio Brown, Emmanuel Sanders,
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 1: all these guys. They've always find him in the hurting.
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 1: This second round and he hasn't done anything this year.
• 1:55:05
  Speaker 1: Deante Johnson, who didn't play, got hurt yesterday. There there,
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 1: I'll tell you what. Get them early, because they're gonna
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 1: be good late in the season when that offense all
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 1: gets together and plays the entire year. They play the Browns,
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 1: that's an interesting game. That would be a good game.
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 1: That's a good football game because that's a good defense.
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 1: We'll see how good that run games. They didn't play
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 1: well on defense yesterday, Tony. They didn't well. Carson Wentz
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 1: played good, which I was happy for him. I mean,
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 1: and he's played with a bunch of Dome name receivers.
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 1: He actually played pretty well. Yeah, Rams over Washington thirty
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 1: to ten. The big story though, Alex Smith back playing
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 1: after two years of rehab. What a story. It's amazing.
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 1: I mean, it was a great story to see. And
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 1: it's it's so terrible when you think his rehab to
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 1: get back and he plays and on the same day
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 1: Dak Prescott, that's an awful injury. And but his injury
• 1:55:57
  Speaker 1: it was not as bad as Al Smith. No, Alex
• 1:55:59
  Speaker 1: Smith had the knee and it was all but they
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 1: did have a compound fracture, so they had a surgery
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 1: last night to make sure the wound was not getting
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 1: infected in or anything. So that's what happened. That's what
• 1:56:09
  Speaker 1: happened to what happened to Alex Smithy bas got infection
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 1: in their acceptance. Yeah, terrible And the Cowboys rallied to
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 1: win that game, by the way, over the Giants thirty
• 1:56:21
  Speaker 1: seven to thirty four. The Dolphins, they're not very good
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 1: the Cowboys football games. No, their defense is terrible. Dolphins
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 1: went out to San fran and knocked off to forty
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 1: forty three to seventeen. What well, when Ryan Fitzpatrick gets hot, man,
• 1:56:38
  Speaker 1: there's no stop at him. You know, when he gets hot,
• 1:56:41
  Speaker 1: he is unbelievable. But he can get really cold. He
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 1: was hot right from the start. Forty Niners are terrible.
• 1:56:46
  Speaker 1: They're playing like fourth stringers in the second there it's
• 1:56:49
  Speaker 1: they can't rush the pastor the bad defense right now.
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 1: And Garoppolo was terrible. Are they gonna move on from
• 1:56:55
  Speaker 1: Garopolo after the year? I don't. They might. They might eat.
• 1:56:59
  Speaker 1: I mean, he was coming off an injury and he
• 1:57:01
  Speaker 1: could see he wasn't fully. But they play the Rams
• 1:57:04
  Speaker 1: Sunday night. That's you know, that's a survival test almost rally. Wow,
• 1:57:08
  Speaker 1: and then the Seahawks rallied Russell Wilson. Your guy Pete
• 1:57:12
  Speaker 1: had a big game and a big rally. Again, that's
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 1: not the story, though. Would you have gone for it
• 1:57:16
  Speaker 1: on fourth down or would you have kick to make
• 1:57:18
  Speaker 1: it eight? I like that he went for it. Then
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 1: you need inches. If you can't get inches, what are
• 1:57:24
  Speaker 1: you doing? By the way, I sent out a screenshot
• 1:57:27
  Speaker 1: on Twitter and from uh the run there is the
• 1:57:32
  Speaker 1: now the fullback, it's the fullback lead. So he takes
• 1:57:34
  Speaker 1: on the linebacker. But Tony, all he has to do
• 1:57:37
  Speaker 1: is make one little bounce to the right and he
• 1:57:39
  Speaker 1: walks in. He walks in. Yeah, I think I like
• 1:57:44
  Speaker 1: that because, like, first of all, you're telling me you're
• 1:57:47
  Speaker 1: gonna go bet on Russell Wilson not getting two point conversion, right, Okay,
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 1: I mean it's like I started, that's probably the thirty
• 1:57:59
  Speaker 1: or something, but I've to the kickoff. Here's you were
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 1: running right through them the whole game. And by the way,
• 1:58:05
  Speaker 1: that's right, and they have a terrible defense, and if
• 1:58:08
  Speaker 1: you get an inch, you win the game. The percentages,
• 1:58:12
  Speaker 1: I think would tell you to go for it if
• 1:58:14
  Speaker 1: you want to go to this whole analytics book. I
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 1: think the analytics they go for it because of the percentage.
• 1:58:19
  Speaker 1: I was told, and tell me if you think, if
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 1: do you think that guy should have scored a touchdown?
• 1:58:23
  Speaker 1: It's so hard you take pictures and like it's like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: he's still he still should I was told there would
• 1:58:29
  Speaker 1: be no math Monday night football. Justin Herbert is the
• 1:58:33
  Speaker 1: man in l A for the one in three in
• 1:58:34
  Speaker 1: Los Angeles Chargers, and this week they'll head to New
• 1:58:37
  Speaker 1: Orleans to face one of the old time greats and
• 1:58:39
  Speaker 1: Drew Brees and the two and two Saints. No Michael Thomas,
• 1:58:42
  Speaker 1: he sucked a teammate during practice this week? Who you
• 1:58:45
  Speaker 1: got in the Supernome tonight? I'm taking this Saint. I
• 1:58:50
  Speaker 1: think it's gonna be close. I think Herber is gonna
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  Speaker 1: play well. By the way, good for Sean Payton. That
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  Speaker 1: must have been a nasty fight. Because you've got Tony,
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  Speaker 1: You've been around practice fights. Somebody must have punched. Did
• 1:59:02
  Speaker 1: it go the question I have? Did it go into
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  Speaker 1: the locker room afterwards? And that's where the punch happened?
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  Speaker 1: Because I'm gonna go the practice field. Yeah, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I've been involved in the fights, and I've been on
• 1:59:13
  Speaker 1: teams when the fight goes into the locker room and
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  Speaker 1: all of a sudden, guys are gonna whack What team, Tony,
• 1:59:17
  Speaker 1: what team? What team? Tell us more. I'm not gonna
• 1:59:20
  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna tell you more. Um, but it must
• 1:59:23
  Speaker 1: have been bad because typically coaches don't suspend a guy
• 1:59:26
  Speaker 1: for a fight on the practice field. Gone. He must
• 1:59:30
  Speaker 1: have been out of control. I'm gonna pick the Saints too,
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  Speaker 1: but I think it's really close. I think my biggest
• 1:59:35
  Speaker 1: concern about the charges no Joey boast or at least
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  Speaker 1: it's questionable. I don't know if he's gonna play night.
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  Speaker 1: That's gonna hurt him. All right, see you next week, Tony.
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  Speaker 1: We'll talk to you, Pete Brisco, Tony Boselli. I'm j P. Shadrick.
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