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ROR 158: Use of Force · Red Onion Randy - Life in a Supermax Prison

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  Speaker 1: Hello, this is a prebate call from the present Apartment
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  Speaker 1: of correction read an in state prison to accept this
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  Speaker 1: all crash zero. This is Randall Baum, currently serving one thousand,
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  Speaker 1: two hundred and fourteen years for capital murder on Robert
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  Speaker 1: currently being housed at key Mount Correctional Center in Oakwood, Virginia, USA.
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  Speaker 2: I hope you do.
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  Speaker 1: Let's get started with the podcast. UH today, got a
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  Speaker 1: little special treat for you. Normally, or I don't think ever,
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  Speaker 1: has I had an actual video to go along with
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  Speaker 1: the podcast. It's just my voice. This one, this one
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  Speaker 1: actually has a video courtesy of the California Department of Corrections.
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  Speaker 1: My editor, he filled out a Freedom of Information Act
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  Speaker 1: requested bodycam footage and was actually sent one, and he
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  Speaker 1: wanted me to uh to look it over and do
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  Speaker 1: what I do best, talk. So let's jump into it.
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  Speaker 1: This video. He kicks off in a prison day room.
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  Speaker 1: You know, it's got a big open space that has
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  Speaker 1: high and you've got two floors of cells stacked against
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  Speaker 1: one another, you know, one on top of the other.
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  Speaker 1: It's a tear on the opposite side. You've got a
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  Speaker 1: room which like a CEO's room, a hearing room, whatever
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  Speaker 1: the case may be. So you got a female CEO
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  Speaker 1: is standing in the middle of the day room, and
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  Speaker 1: you've got another officer, a male officer, and an inmate
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  Speaker 1: walks out of this room right away. You can tell
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  Speaker 1: that there's tension, Like the inmate he's coming out, he's pissed,
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  Speaker 1: he's upset, he's agitated. You can see it in his
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  Speaker 1: body language. He's handcuffed behind his back. The CEO is
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  Speaker 1: escorton of and it just immediately like you see it,
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  Speaker 1: which to me seems like this, this room or this
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  Speaker 1: pod is actually their solitary confinement, is their hole or
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  Speaker 1: their segregation, whatever you know, you choose to call that,
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  Speaker 1: any of the three is appropriate for me. That means
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  Speaker 1: he just came out of a hearing like he had
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  Speaker 1: called a charge. He was confident that he was going
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  Speaker 1: to beat it, and he did, and they found him
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  Speaker 1: guilty anyway, because this is not a court of law.
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  Speaker 1: This is CEOs who have worked in the prison system
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  Speaker 1: for a certain amount of years have applied to become
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  Speaker 1: a hearings officer, and their former CEOs like, there is
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  Speaker 1: no fairness you are going to lose when you go
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  Speaker 1: in front of a hearings officer. I've had to deal
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  Speaker 1: with this before. I literally had a CEO tell a
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  Speaker 1: hearings officer once that Rod did not do this. It's
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  Speaker 1: a fake charge. And the hearings officer looked me dead
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  Speaker 1: and I said, well, the way it's written up, I'm
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  Speaker 1: going to find you guilty, but I'll let you pick
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  Speaker 1: your own punction. So that's what to me without actually
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  Speaker 1: being there, so knowing for one certain that's what I'm
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  Speaker 1: I'm seeing, you know. And you've got these four cages
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  Speaker 1: lined up, you know, fit gauge, while we call them
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  Speaker 1: doll cages, even though the Department of Corrections calls them
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  Speaker 1: holding things. Now the CEO wants him to go into one,
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  Speaker 1: and he's like, no, he ain't going in there, like
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  Speaker 1: he taste piss he's to the point like he's tired
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  Speaker 1: of this. They start kind of just you know, charlling
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  Speaker 1: at one another and going back. So the female COEO
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  Speaker 1: she steps into help, and she does the one thing
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  Speaker 1: that they always do, which is the wrong thing to do,
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  Speaker 1: they think, and they call it controlling the situation. She
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  Speaker 1: grabs him and tries to basically push him, force him
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  Speaker 1: into this cage. I can't do that. Some guys, when
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  Speaker 1: they ain't taking that, they start going at it. You know,
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  Speaker 1: he's waiste changed, his hands are cuffed, and that's when
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  Speaker 1: it turns into a full blown struggle and they start fighting.
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  Speaker 1: You know, they start they're trying to wrestle this guy
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  Speaker 1: to the ground, and you got a bunch of other
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  Speaker 1: CEOs they move in and it doesn't take it doesn't
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  Speaker 1: take him too long. You know, when a guy's hands
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  Speaker 1: are changed to his waist, you know, there's very few
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  Speaker 1: people who can resist being taken to the ground when
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  Speaker 1: they've got that leverage taken away from them. The whole time,
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  Speaker 1: once they get him on the ground, he's kicking at him,
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  Speaker 1: he's yelling, he's making it known that he's like he's
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  Speaker 1: not going quietly, you know. But they've got out and
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  Speaker 1: pen to the ground. After a little while, they bring
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  Speaker 1: a wheelchair in and they pick him up, and you know,
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  Speaker 1: they slam him into the wheelchair and he's again they screaming.
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  Speaker 1: You know, he's making sure everybody in the cell you
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  Speaker 1: know all this, you know, the prison cells and whatnot.
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  Speaker 1: It's got people in him, like he's making sure that
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  Speaker 1: they know that they're witnessing that they've come to the door.
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  Speaker 1: One for the entertainment purposes and the values behind it,
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  Speaker 1: and two that he's got witnesses in case they do
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  Speaker 1: something that they're not supposed to do. He files a lawsuit.
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  Speaker 1: He's got witnesses saying, hey, look, you know this is
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  Speaker 1: what we saw, this is what we witness You know,
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  Speaker 1: we can follow AffA Davids on his behalf. Now. Once
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  Speaker 1: they finally get him into the wheelchair and you know,
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  Speaker 1: he's still kicking, his screaming and whatnot, they push him
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  Speaker 1: towards another cell and it's one, one o six, but
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  Speaker 1: it's not his self. When they get there, they go
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  Speaker 1: to put him in it, but there's somebody's stuff already
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  Speaker 1: in the cell, so they've got to sit there and
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  Speaker 1: hold him while the CEOs go in and just start
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  Speaker 1: grabbing this other guy's property and just chucking it out
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  Speaker 1: to sell. They're not bringing it out and setting it
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  Speaker 1: down nice and neat and trying to you know, respect
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  Speaker 1: the man's property or whatnot. They're just flinging it out
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  Speaker 1: to sell. They don't care. That's their mentality. Just so
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  Speaker 1: you know. So for all of you people who listen
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  Speaker 1: to this, who watch this video and you send me
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  Speaker 1: money or you send another inmate money or whatever. You know,
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  Speaker 1: the things we buy the danger send the birthday cards
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  Speaker 1: that I Love you Daddy cards, or whatever the case
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  Speaker 1: may be. This is how the coressional office there's treat
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  Speaker 1: all of her properties. They don't show up respect. They'll
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  Speaker 1: just sling it all out the cell. They'll walk all
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  Speaker 1: over it. They don't care if it gets ripped. They
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  Speaker 1: just don't give us about you the hard work you
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  Speaker 1: have to do to buy us this TV or radio
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  Speaker 1: or book or whatever the case may be. He's still
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  Speaker 1: yelling though, and you know he's sitting there yelling like, look,
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  Speaker 1: this was their whole plan all along, was to move
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  Speaker 1: him into this cell, to move him out of the
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  Speaker 1: cell he was currently in. For whatever reason, it doesn't
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  Speaker 1: actually go into those details. He doesn't say why, you know.
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  Speaker 1: But once they get the room clear, basically they pick
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  Speaker 1: him up, they push him inside. He's still cooked, he's
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  Speaker 1: still weighs changed, and they've got like a dog leash.
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  Speaker 1: And so when they get him in the cell, when
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  Speaker 1: they push him in the cell, that you know they
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  Speaker 1: wrestling man and you know, and they get that door
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  Speaker 1: close behind them and they'll pull that chain, that leash
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  Speaker 1: through the trace loot and that gives them the leverage
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  Speaker 1: to actually yank his arms backwards and up and into
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  Speaker 1: the tracee loot. Now it's extremely painful. It's awkward position
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  Speaker 1: because those tracelots are at a uniform height of like
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  Speaker 1: two and a half feet. Most people were taller than that.
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  Speaker 1: You know, our hands behind their back or even in front.
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  Speaker 1: It makes it awkward to get down there for the
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  Speaker 1: CEOs to take the handcuffs off. And most states, especially
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  Speaker 1: here in Virginia, the CEOs will not stick their hands
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  Speaker 1: in the trace lot to put the key in the
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  Speaker 1: cuff to unlock it. So they can make it easier
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  Speaker 1: on you because you might turn around, snatch them up
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  Speaker 1: by the rear, yank their arm through it and break it.
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  Speaker 1: Ripped it off whatever, so you're the one who actually
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  Speaker 1: has to fold it in half and stick your arms
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  Speaker 1: backwards for the most part, even though sometimes they do
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  Speaker 1: put the cuffs on front and it hurts. I've been
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  Speaker 1: through this. I've had CEO snatch my arms through these
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  Speaker 1: trace lots. The cuffs are digging in right into the
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  Speaker 1: wrist bone, like dudes have. Most guys in prison who
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  Speaker 1: wind up with a broken arm or broken wrist. This
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  Speaker 1: right here is how it happened. Because they yank his
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  Speaker 1: arms through so they can start getting the cuffs off.
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  Speaker 1: And at this point they're pissed off, so they're not
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  Speaker 1: being gentle. They're actually doing their best to hurt this
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  Speaker 1: guy and any other inmate this caught in this situation,
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  Speaker 1: you know, because they feel that you should have bitched up,
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  Speaker 1: accepted whatever they said, accepted whatever they did, and not
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  Speaker 1: stand or fight for it. And look, as anybody who's
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  Speaker 1: listened to my podcast long term knows, Look, if the
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  Speaker 1: CEOs right, the CEOs right, if the inmates right, the
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  Speaker 1: inmate shright, I don't pick him and choose. You know,
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  Speaker 1: a lot of inmates bring this on themselves, and I
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  Speaker 1: have no sympathy for him. I'm not gonna cry for him.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna help him. I'm not going to write
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  Speaker 1: a half a David form. I'm not gonna sit there
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  Speaker 1: and do a podcast episode on him to try to
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  Speaker 1: help him or whatnot. If you bring it on yourself,
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  Speaker 1: you deserve what you get. This case right here to me,
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  Speaker 1: even though the dude was jawing at him or whatnot,
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  Speaker 1: this this is a completely inappropriate response on part of
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  Speaker 1: the staff. He's not kicking, he's not punching, he's not fighting,
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  Speaker 1: he's not spitting, he's not trying to throw up on you, you know.
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  Speaker 1: And yes, some guys have the ability to project tal
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  Speaker 1: vomit on notice, like they can just simply do it.
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  Speaker 1: He's not doing none of those things. He's just simply
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  Speaker 1: cussing at him, running his mouth like at the end
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  Speaker 1: of the day, just standing there and listen to him.
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  Speaker 1: A cuss right back at him, but don't start beating
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  Speaker 1: his ass. And he's accusing them at this time of
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  Speaker 1: actually breaking his ribs. Now, I don't know about that,
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  Speaker 1: to be honest with you. That's his wrist, his arm,
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  Speaker 1: his elbow, his fingers, something of that nature. Yeah, but
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  Speaker 1: I've been in this situation before. And I've been in
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  Speaker 1: prison for thirty some years. I've never seen anybody get
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  Speaker 1: their ribs broke by having their arms yank through the
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  Speaker 1: trace lot to have this, you know, the handcuffs and
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  Speaker 1: the waist chain and everything taking off of him in
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  Speaker 1: this part, like, it takes a while. It takes a
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  Speaker 1: minute because he's moving, you know, he's still fighting because
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  Speaker 1: of the pain. And that's what a lot of them
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  Speaker 1: don't realize. Whenever you call someone pain in a situation
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  Speaker 1: like this, their whole goal is to move around to
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  Speaker 1: ease that pain, to ease what they're being put through.
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  Speaker 1: But the CEO's call is stop resistance, stop resistent, and
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  Speaker 1: that is a catch all phrase for them to continue
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  Speaker 1: beating your ass, to continue hurting you, even though if
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  Speaker 1: they would just simply stop them, Paul's for moments, let
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  Speaker 1: the guy kind of adjust himself so the pain stops.
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  Speaker 1: Then they could easily take the shackles, handcuffs, waigte chain,
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  Speaker 1: whatever off of the inmate and the situation is controlled,
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  Speaker 1: it's over with. But they don't want to do that
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  Speaker 1: because well, it's a lot more funner for them to
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  Speaker 1: continue causing somebody pain. It gives them an excuse to
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  Speaker 1: use even more force against this individual, you know, and
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  Speaker 1: this guy yelling them like they're tearing him apart. You know,
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  Speaker 1: he's claiming that they're trying to kill him. They're not
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  Speaker 1: trying to kill him, like that's that's straight up hyperbole.
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  Speaker 1: He's you know. But at the end of the day, though,
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  Speaker 1: you know, when when you're in a state of pain
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  Speaker 1: like that and it hurts like a mother. Let me
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  Speaker 1: tell you if you if you don't know and you
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  Speaker 1: think I'm exaggerating, you think I'm trying to hype this up,
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  Speaker 1: I tell you what you do. The next time you
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  Speaker 1: come close to a pair of handcuffs. Let's say you
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  Speaker 1: see a cop on the street, just say, hey, look,
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  Speaker 1: I want to test something real quick. Well, you put
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  Speaker 1: handcuffs on me in the front. Just put them on
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  Speaker 1: in the front and just tighten them down like y'all
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  Speaker 1: normally would tighten on the suspect. And then I want
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  Speaker 1: you to sit there and just try to break the chain.
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  Speaker 1: Just use your wrist and just try to spread them
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  Speaker 1: apart and break the chain so that the back of
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  Speaker 1: them cuffs are digging into your bones. And you tell
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  Speaker 1: me whether I'm exaggerating or not because I guarantee you
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  Speaker 1: will stop almost immediately upon applying enough force, you won't
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  Speaker 1: be able to take it, you know. But they get
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  Speaker 1: these chains off of them, you know, they get the
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  Speaker 1: handcuffs off of them, and they slam this, you know,
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  Speaker 1: the trace lode shut, you know, and they walk on
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  Speaker 1: out and whatnot. And the whole time, you know, they're
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  Speaker 1: laughing if you're joking, and so when it's so well,
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  Speaker 1: because that's all it is doing. You know, this situation
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  Speaker 1: could have easily been dealt with. This situation could have
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  Speaker 1: all the CEO had to do with. Say, look, dude,
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  Speaker 1: I understand you Pistsburgh. I had nothing to do with it.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just simply here to escort what you're back and forth. Man,
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  Speaker 1: Can you please go in this gauge and can you
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  Speaker 1: make it easy on us? Because if you don't, Man,
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  Speaker 1: you've been locked up long enough to know what's going on.
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  Speaker 1: Happen many like I'm just not trying to deal with
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  Speaker 1: a day. I'll tell you what, Brouh, I will if
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  Speaker 1: you if you if you help me out man by
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  Speaker 1: making my job a little bit easier. When we pass
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  Speaker 1: out the lunch tray, all we pass out to dinner tray.
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  Speaker 1: I'll give you an extra trade. Man, Like a lot
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  Speaker 1: of stuff that you see in these situations could easily
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  Speaker 1: easily be navigated by the CEO using comments sense, showing
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  Speaker 1: a little bit of respect. And if you have to
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  Speaker 1: row a dude with an extra trade, why not, Like
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  Speaker 1: that's nothing to you. You don't pay for the damn
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  Speaker 1: tree that comes from the state, that comes from Texas.
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  Speaker 1: That's the situation. That's what most inmates have to deal
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  Speaker 1: with in here. Yeah, he did kind of bring it
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  Speaker 1: on himself a little bit by yelling and screaming, But sometimes, man,
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  Speaker 1: that's the only recourse we have that that's the only
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  Speaker 1: way we can kind of process our emotion, you know
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  Speaker 1: what we're feeling. Was he wrong for doing that? Yes,
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  Speaker 1: the inmate was wrong for cussing the screaming and blah
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  Speaker 1: blah blah. But that female CEO who never should have
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  Speaker 1: been allowed to work in the male prison in the
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  Speaker 1: first place, because you have very few males in prison
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  Speaker 1: one on one who could handle me in a situation
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  Speaker 1: like that. How is a female going to handle me? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: she comes over there and wants to grab him and
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  Speaker 1: tries to force him into the cage. Like you just
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  Speaker 1: escalated that situation. She should have been immediately fired, but
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  Speaker 1: I guarantee she probably made sergeant, if not lieutenant by now,
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  Speaker 1: because that's what they do. They reward bad behavior on
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  Speaker 1: the staff member's parts. They punished bad behavior on the
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  Speaker 1: inmate's part. Hope you enjoyed the video, Hope you enjoyed
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  Speaker 1: us trying something new. That's the situation all the way around.
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