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Seahawks-Cowboys Preseason Preview: Terrion Arnold, Milroe, and Roster Battles · Sea Hawkers Podcast: for Seattle Seahawks fans

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Brandan: Hello, and welcome to the Sea Hawkers Podcast.
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I'm your host, Brandan Schulze, and today I am joined by a
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couple of my good buddies.
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We've got Clinton Bonner, we've got Mr.
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Phil Lydik.
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This is almost a what if show, so I don't know why I'm doing the, the intro, but
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maybe not your traditional what if, Phil, because we're just previewing our team.
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This is the pre-season, this isn't regular season.
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Phil: That's right.
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It's real fake football is coming, but, so what if we have some football
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but we're not really previewing the Cowboys much since who knows what
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they're gonna throw on the field.
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We don't even know necessarily which players of ours will be on the field.
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Brandan: No, Clinton, it's gonna be…
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That, that's gonna be part of the excitement of finding out.
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And, you know, we got a little bit of it, a, a little bit of a
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taste last week with the Hall of Fame game, which I didn't watch.
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But- … we have actual team- This feels like today, with it being
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Thursday, we have actual games, pre-season games with real teams, not
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fake teams like the Arizona Cardinals.
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it, it feels like the actual start of pre-season tonight, Clint.
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Clinton: It does feel that way.
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We're only two days out from real football, and, boys, I, I, I'll bring
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this back up because, you know, hey, look, how about them Seahawks, right?
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Because the reason I bring this up, of course, and yes, we
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want the likes, what's- It's a
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Brandan: catchphrase that's well known to-
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Clinton: Yeah, it is
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Seahawks
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Brandan: fans.
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Clinton: You know-
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Brandan: How about them Seahawks?
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Clinton: A team that used to be called America's Team, you
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know, that used to enjoy that, but they haven't won a chip since the
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'90s, and that's the way it goes.
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Kind of like the 49ers, when you think about it in a lot of ways, right?
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I'm not sure which franchise might be, less, less of, but
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all I know is that, boys, we, I'll fly through it, that we're still the
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Super Bowl champions, not the Rams.
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Still not the Rams.
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It is us.
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We are Super Bowl champions until they take it away from us, which
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I think we have a very good shot, a very good shot of repeating.
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We are gonna get into really the folks, the players, the positions, the battles
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that we're most intrigued to look at, and we know, boys, we understand.
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Look, most players won't be playing in this game that are gonna be the starting,
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the starting 22, just the way it goes.
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But there's lots of implications for what will shape the 53 and then
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the ready squad and everything, and the depth of this team, we're gonna
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get to see that, I think, shine.
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So very excited for that, and we do have a couple of news and notes very, very
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quickly before we get into it, guys.
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The, first thing here from Gregg Bell out on Twitter, just, discussing
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that Jadarian Price, this is…
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He did not practice today.
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So we're live right now on Thursday.
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He practiced yesterday, but yesterday was really like a shirts, a T-shirt and
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helmet walkthrough from what I understand.
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Did not practice again today.
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So this is a player that I bet all three of us were like, "I can't wait to
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see Jadarian Price on Saturday night."
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Phil, we might not get to see Jadarian Price on Saturday night.
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What are you thinking, dude?
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Phil: I did not want to see him at all really-
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Clinton: Hmm
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… Phil: have our running back out there much for pre-season.
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Maybe just get him in for, you know, a couple reps on the next
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one, but I, I just don't want running backs out there getting hit.
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I mean, Mike Macdonald can't cuss out the other team if they try to hit him wrong.
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So, I'd prefer to maybe wait for the regular season
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for the most part for Price.
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Also, on the Cowboys, didn't I hear that since them boys have been
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to the championship, every other NFL team has gone since the last
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time they were in a conference, championship in, in the NFL?
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Wow.
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Is that right?
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Is that right?
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Clinton: It feels right.
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I don't know.
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I, I don't know, but it kind of feels, it's been a long time.
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Every other team?
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Phil: Ev- even the Cardinals.
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Clinton: Well, did the
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Phil: Browns go?
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Yeah, have the Browns- Right … have the Browns been since the-
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Brandan: Lions?
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Phil: Yes.
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Clinton: Hmm.
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Okay.
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Bro- I, I don't think the Browns have gone to a championship, right?
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Phil: They used to go all the time when they would lose to
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LA and stuff, but that's a while
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Clinton: back.
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Right, right.
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But that was, like, '80s whatever with Kosar, right?
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So I-
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Phil: Maybe it's just the NFC Could be Maybe I need to look it up.
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Maybe it's just the NFC.
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Clinton: Yeah.
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Well, that sounds like a Cowboys problem to me.
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Brandan, if we don't have Jadarian Price, you happy or sad?
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Are you okay with, "Hey, the dude just needs to rest maybe"?
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Brandan: I, it's, it's more of a thing of I really want to see it,
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but I don't know if I have to see it, if that makes any sense.
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I Because I guess where I'm more concerned about the running back depth
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is a little bit further down the chart.
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Hmm.
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So it's, it's pre-season game one.
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I know I want to see everybody out there, but, my expectations based
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on previous seasons has been set, and I, I just want everybody to be
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ready and healthy to go come week one.
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Clinton: Yeah.
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We're gonna get a heavy day…
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a heavy dose of, down, down the chart, running backs, but it's actually,
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I think, a pretty good sneaky room.
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The other piece that we have here is, that Puka Nacua,
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started practice again today and then left practice again today.
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So pulled out again.
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This is…
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It's basically a, a…
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Before they were saying, you know, I think they were saying, like, back
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or whatever it was last week, but it's, it's clearly now a hip flexor from what
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the doctors are saying out there on, on Twitter and the folks that are reporting.
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And, you know, s- seems minor and all that jazz, but, look, and
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we don't play them till Christmas.
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I…
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But, you know, reporting on Nacua's health and his very tumultuous
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off-season, Phil, it's a…
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And the way the Rams have to start the season, their
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first five games are not easy.
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you know, maybe this team is just a little bit old, and maybe,
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Phil, they shouldn't be crowned Super Bowl champions in August.
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I don't know.
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Phil: I mean, I don't know if the Rams are old, but Josh talks about
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Puka could miss the entire season in chat there, and he wouldn't cry.
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You know, most of the time I don't want anybody to be hurt or I feel
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bad if they're hurt, but, but people that bite other individuals, I just
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don't really care if they're hurt.
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In fact, he's one of the hardest guys for us to defend, so if, if
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he's out, I, I mean, I'm fine if he misses the end of the season.
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He can come and play for a few weeks, but if he misses the end of the season, I
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won't be sad one bit, honestly, Clinton.
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Brandan: Yeah.
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Also, if we're gonna go with a nickname for Puka, I, I think
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you have to go Nacua over Puka.
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Phil: Yeah.
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Nacua.
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Yeah.
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Puka, Nacua.
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I don't
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Brandan: know.
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I like, I like Nacua better.
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I…
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We can, we can leave out the, the pukiness.
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But, we have breaking news, guys.
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We do.
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Jordan Schultz just tweeted out that the Seahawks are expected to
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sign Terrion Arnold, and we saw that- Whoa … at the end of Hard Knocks.
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How about that?
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So,- Whoo … how, how are we feeling about that news?
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Because I, I think that- It's interesting that they brought him in.
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We, we've, I know we've had some discussions in Discord about the number
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of- Yeah … charges that are facing, Terrion Arnold and, or that
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Arnold is facing and how he might…
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He's, he's someone who may not be available because the NFL could
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say, "Hey, you're, you're on the non-football injury list" and, so
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Seahawks rolling the dice a little bit.
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And I don't know, Phil, does that say something about our cornerback depth and,
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that they're bringing in someone like Arnold to, and, and whether or not we
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see him in the first preseason game now?
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Phil: A lot to unpack with what you implied there, Brandan, but you
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know in Discord you and I were bringing up the fact that if John's interested
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in bringing in this particular corner, he seems kinda concerned.
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There's, there's a lot of signs that he's getting something from the coaching
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staff that we need to get another guy that can get some real snaps out there.
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Not that they won't play the guys that they have if that's what they
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get, but they obviously tipped off John that an upgrade would be great.
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Also, an opportunity like this doesn't just come along so easily
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right before the season where you have a player that can really play
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is available, and it's sometime early October, early October until he's
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gonna stand before the judge and get some idea of how his case is gonna go.
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You would hope the NFL would wait to pass judgment until judgment
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has been passed, so to speak.
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And maybe John has some kind of indication, or they're gonna write
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it into the contract in some kinda way, you know, to, to be ready s-
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in case something like that happens.
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Obviously they'd have to make some allowances, risk it a little bit,
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or he could've been signed by the Giants, somewhere else like that.
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Maybe Milroe had something to say about encouraging him to come here,
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this is the right place to play.
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There's all kinds of things we don't know.
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We just kinda try to guess based on the breadcrumbs that we have.
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But player-wise, I think this is an upgrade for us.
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I did want him if he, if he isn't a felon, right?
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Then I did want him.
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Clinton: Yeah.
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that's, that's awesome.
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I think in, in the sense that, hey, the, it's super low risk and if it turns
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out that they just can't play him for legal reasons, then, you know, I'm sure
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contractually that they'll, that's it.
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They'll let him, they'll let him g- they'll walk.
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Yeah.
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but I think, I think he gives you a very intriguing player, all the talent's
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there, and you don't often get a chance to go get what is first round caliber
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talent at a proven blue chip school that was taken in the first round where the
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Lions traded, they traded up for him.
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They, I think they- Yeah … traded up like five spots to go get him.
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That's right.
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They were surprised he was there still.
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And, so all those things, this is not an old dude.
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This is the 2024 draft we're talking about, right?
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So not very often you get a, you get a, basically a free square on what's a
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blue chip line- c- cornerback in a cornerback world, guys, where
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Gonzo's holding out for more money, still, you know, like not, not resigning
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his, his extension and the rumor is he wants to be like prepaid with like
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inflation baked in, in some contractual thing that keeps him at the top.
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So Spoon's agent is the same as Gonzo's agent- Yeah … so, now
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Spoon's not saying that or his side's not saying it, but it is interesting
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that Gonzalez's agent is saying it.
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and as far as I know, contracts don't work like that, Brandan.
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I'm not sure you just keep getting, you know, I- I'm first always.
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I'm not sure that's how it works.
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Brandan: Not always.
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But, y- you said all the talent in the world, but obviously Arnold
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didn't have enough talent that the Lions were willing to hang on to him.
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They, they had, they saw the reports, they knew the charges, and
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then they decided to let him go.
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So, obviously maybe not the level of t- you see some teams stick around
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with a guy who, has significant charges and, a- and decide to let
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the legal process play out, right?
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We've seen that before.
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Shoot- Yeah … I think we're watching that with, with
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Puka down with the Rams, right?
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So, and then- I think there was- … obviously those charges
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not as serious maybe- Yeah … as, a- as, Terrion Arnold's.
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But I think the reason why you bring him in is to decide whether or not…
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I, I, I've talked to folks that do a lot s- of draft evaluation, right?
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And one of the things that teams seem to look for is if a guy has something
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in his past, you wanna find out if, the, and, and, if they're kind of a
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knucklehead or if they're a, a bad dude.
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Clinton: Yeah.
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Brandan: Yeah.
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And I think that- This signals to us that at least they're, they're comfortable
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with the idea that, yeah, okay, there might be some knuckleheadedness that
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led to felony charges, but maybe he's not a bad dude level of felony charges.
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So they're willing to, again, based on depth and- Yeah … the culture that they
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have, and maybe John Schneider feels like, "Hey, I've got some, equity built up
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here coming off of a Super Bowl win that I can go ahead and make a move like this."
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And among the fan base, yeah, there's probably gonna be some people
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scratching their heads, but, based on what we've done, yeah, I- I've
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built up a, a little equity here.
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Phil: Yeah.
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My wish cast is the Lions just leapt to a bunch of conclusions
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and like, "Oh, this is really bad.
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We gotta get him away from our, our team brand, team name," and
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right away they just snap judgment.
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And then Schneider started hearing from a lot of people that this is a
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good character guy, maybe got caught up in a situation, got emotional.
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Hopefully there's some lesson learning.
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If you ever hear Arnold talk in kind of his manner, he has a lot
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of Spoon mentality to him actually.
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I mean, obviously Spoon's got a impeccable character and history.
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with Arnold doesn't necessarily have that right now, but the
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energy there is very exciting.
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And some of the tape, there, there's a ceiling.
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I agree with Josh though.
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It's not like they're just…
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And I don't think it'll happen.
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It's not like they're just gonna hand him cornerback three spot, but they're
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gonna say, "We need some competition here.
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Go out and prove it that you're ready to, to be that CB3," 'cause CB3 gets
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about 70-ish percent of the snaps.
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It's a very, very important position on our team.
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It is.
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Brandan: Yeah, and a post here from Jordan Schultz, who broke the news
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about the signing, just a few minutes ago, says, "Terrion Arnold is
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close friends with Seahawks quarterback Jalen Milroe, who gave the organization
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positive reviews about the type of person Arnold would be in the Seattle building
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and how he would fit their culture."
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Clinton: Love it.
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Love,
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Brandan: yeah.
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There you know Milroe had- All good … did have a little bit to do with that.
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Clinton: I did see you flash this on screen earlier, but I
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wanna, you know, about our culture- Nice … got, got ZeroHawk here, a
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great, human in, in his own right.
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So Mark, thank you.
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A $10 Super Chat, and he's, you know, he under- he feels the pain,
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guys, as being a Seahawks fan.
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He says, "I am stoked.
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It seems so long since we hoisted the Lombardi.
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Can't wait to see our depth and rookies shine."
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And I think thank you, Mark.
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That's amazing.
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We appreciate you, and I think that is a perfect segue to take us into
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the topic of the show, guys, which is we do play a game in two days.
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I doubt, Terrion Arnold will play.
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I can't imagine he's ready that, that quickly.
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I don't know.
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maybe, but I, I don't think so.
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we'll see.
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But we do have lots of other players that we'll be getting that are either
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rookies or maybe second or third-year guys that may be getting their chance
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to make that impression on the field.
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And hey, everything we've seen so far in camp, all the good buzz, all the,
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all the storylines, a lot of times happening without pads, always happening
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where you can't actually go full tilt.
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We all saw that with Derick Hall getting a little too close for
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comfort for Macdonald's sake with, with, quarterback Sam Darnold.
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But now they get to go hit for real.
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So i- it's some players just turn it on when the lights turn on, and-
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Brandan: Yeah … we're gonna see.
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But how much are we gonna see Derick Hall?
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I hope we at least get to get him out there for a couple snaps just so he
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can get some of that energy out that's, that's been building up through camp.
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Clinton: That's funny.
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We, we probably won't see one snap of Derick Hall, but if we do, let
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him, let him get a sack, or let him, let him get it all out there.
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Let him do Minotaur-like things.
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We probably won't get a s- a single snap of Derick Hall, but that's okay.
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Well, where do you guys wanna take it first?
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I mean, is there particular players, sides of the ball, position groups?
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Phil, this is, kind of a pseudo what if, so why don't you take honors?
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who are you most interested in really studying and monitoring on Saturday?
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Phil: Well, I got a lot of things circled, but it turns out the one with
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the biggest circle, it's the same name I had going into preseason last year.
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And I'm, I, I guess if we wanna start right there, who do we
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wanna see most in preseason?
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It's our quarterback that's trying to ascend.
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I think Jalen Milroe, we're hearing some good things.
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Let's see what kind of improvements Milroe has made by being on the team for a year,
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getting some NFL coaching, maybe learning to spin it from Sam a little bit, how
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to handle, some things at the line.
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I just kinda, I kinda wanna see his leadership out there on the field.
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I wanna see his decision-making.
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I'm not so much to think- That all these players, I do have a lot of
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them where they're direct competition, 'cause it's all we're gonna get to see.
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But I'm not so much to think that the pre-season games we get to see will fully
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determine who makes the roster or even be the biggest piece of who makes the roster.
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So I'm not watching it like that other than just to discover some things.
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But Milroe fascinates me because it could mean a lot of good things
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for our future if he's showing himself to have, NFL chops.
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He won't get his starting line, he's not gonna get to throw to JSN.
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There's no way, you know, he's gonna y- gonna throw to really the top guys.
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But how he's handling, how he's spinning it, I think there's a lot to see from
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Milroe on these pre-season games.
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Brandan: Yeah, I think that's a, a great starting spot because
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as we've heard some of the…
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It, it seems like, and Adam's pointed this out in multiple shows, throughout
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the off season, it seems like every time there's a trade conversation that, "Oh,
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the Seahawks should make a trade," it's bec- it's Milroe that's a part of it.
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And, that seems a little bit silly, but I, it al- it does speak to the idea
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of there's, there are still a lot of teams out there that need a quarterback.
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Yeah.
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And so if we are quarterback rich, this'll be the time to find out just how wealthy
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we are in terms of quarterback depth.
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If Jalen Milroe comes in and is, you know, putting up big numbers in
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year number two in the pre-season- Yeah
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then that, that could help, bolster the argument that we've heard
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from people that, "Oh, well maybe we need to get draft capital for him."
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Phil: How good of a pick would you have to get to b- make
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you interested though, Brandan?
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Brandan: Oh,
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Phil: I mean- You're not getting anything more than like a seventh
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for the hose or a sixth from a needy teams, and that doesn't matter.
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So how much for Milroe before you start to be
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Brandan: interested?
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Oh, there's the…
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I d- I don't think that a team would be willing to offer up enough
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to where it would really make sense for where the team is at.
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I, I think that, yeah, unless…
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I, having a valuable backup quarterback or having a, just a competent
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backup quarterback is valuable.
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Which we have.
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And- Yeah … we have that in Drew Lock, so- Yeah … it,
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it does make it expendable.
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But I, we haven't had a, a quarterback that- We've really been interested
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in developing for … You can't even really count it with Russ
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because he developed so quickly that he was our starting quarterback.
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Clinton: No.
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Phil: No, that's right.
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Clinton: I'd be, I'm, I'm, I'm totally team let's not move,
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let's not move on from Milroe.
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if he sizzles in the preseason, I brought this up last time, maybe it,
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maybe you start to examine if you can move Locke to a very needy team that
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needs a, needs a really good backup.
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but again, Phil, like you're saying, how much are
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you actually gonna get for him?
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most likely scenario, we just have our three dudes.
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What I wanna see from Milroe, and it sounds like he's gonna get a, you
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know, a, a plenty of time to go play on Saturday- Yeah … which is awesome.
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Phil: Yeah.
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Clinton: You know, what I wanna see is I think he could process.
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I, I think, Adam did a great job and, and Brandan you as well when you
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guys covered a couple years ago, that Milroe could process pretty well.
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He has the skillset, and it looks like he's evolved and gotten, gotten sharper
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as people are saying in this, this off-season versus last off-season.
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Things have slowed down a little bit.
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All good.
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look, I think Milroe uses the middle of the field very nicely.
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I think he's got enough accuracy Sometimes it's that lack of touch.
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That's like the, the one thing that I'd like to see, the, the,
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the, the touch passes towards the outside, outside the hashes.
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Inside, you wanna zip it in.
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You're not really doing touch too many times between the hashes.
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You just gotta drill the ball in there.
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the outs and the flat stuff, drilling the ball in there, no problem.
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I'd like to see that next like thing click where everything doesn't have
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to be like on an absolute, you know, line drive from deep shortstop.
19:50
You know, that's gotta- That's right … get there.
19:51
Just a little bit of touch on the things to the outside, and I think
19:55
we're seeing it in, at the VMac, and now we gotta see it under the lights.
19:59
If we see that click also, and then a little bit more, awareness and
20:04
progression, not bailing so soon, cool.
20:06
I don't think he gets fearful and bails on a pocket like, you
20:10
know, some quarterbacks might.
20:11
Phil: Yeah.
20:12
Clinton: I think he's got such great legs that if he doesn't see
20:14
his one or two, he's confident he can go get five, six yards.
20:18
Not a bad thing, but in the NFL, if it breaks down a little bit and
20:22
you could give yourself literally another half second or second,
20:27
dudes do come unglued and get open.
20:28
So let's just see.
20:29
Like, it's gonna be a lot of fun to see, to see what he can do, and
20:33
I'll quickly s- flip it over here.
20:35
Not, not that we're gonna talk about the Cowboys too much, but I
20:38
think it'd be remiss not to mention that we might get a healthy dose
20:41
of seeing Caleb Downs out there.
20:43
Mm.
20:43
And the Caleb Downs buzz about him at safety position, he
20:48
kind of fell to the Cowboys.
20:50
You know, O- Ohio State standout.
20:52
Everything that you go read about him is like they wanna use
20:55
him as like their Iman Worley.
20:58
So it'll just be…
20:58
He's number 13.
20:59
Mm.
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Yeah.
21:00
It'll be very interesting to be watching a top, top tier rookie,
21:04
and how will they deploy him?
21:06
And if, and if Milroe's a- out there, can, can he get the better of
21:11
Caleb Downs in a couple of matchups?
21:13
just something to watch on the other side of the ball, too, guys.
21:15
Brandan: I can't believe you brought up Caleb Downs' name as someone to
21:19
watch before we even get to mention Bud Clark, who was- Well, it's,
21:21
Clinton: it's
21:21
Brandan: the-
21:22
our second overall pick in the- In- … in our rookie
21:25
Clinton: class … in, in the system of watching how our quarterback does
21:30
against a guy that I think is a legit Iman Worley type player, so 'cause they could-
21:35
I- … cause a lot of, lot of tumult.
21:37
Phil: But something you said, Clinton, I love watching how a
21:41
quarterback's ball gets to a receiver.
21:43
I always have.
21:43
Mm.
21:43
And they kind of highlighted that on, a little bit, in Hard Knocks in a way.
21:47
Sam's ball, Gino's ball, they just…
21:50
And Russ had it.
21:50
You know, the, the guys that- connect with their receivers.
21:54
They know how to make the ball at the catch point be nice and catchable.
21:59
You hear these guys, "He, he's hit them in the hands.
22:02
Why didn't he hit, why didn't he catch it?"
22:03
Well, yeah, an NFL receiver should catch what hits him in the hands, but
22:06
there is something different about a guy that just knows, and I'd like to see
22:10
Milroe get to that, to where there's…
22:12
You just see when the receiver goes, the ball's…
22:15
I, I can't describe it perfectly, but it, it has a good rotation.
22:19
It has, like, a drop at this is where it's supposed to get
22:22
to the receiver at this point.
22:23
It's not going through them like you're punching through somebody.
22:26
It's getting to the receiver at that spot.
22:29
I would really like to see some of that more from Milroe, and that's what
22:32
you meant by touch, I'm pretty sure.
22:33
Clinton: Yeah.
22:33
That, that, that's absolutely it.
22:35
It is that arrival point- Yes … 'cause we watched last
22:37
year with, like, Sam and JSN.
22:39
By the time the ball, yeah, by the time the ball's landing in JSN's, like, basket,
22:44
it looks, it, it looks easy to haul in.
22:47
Phil: Yeah.
22:48
Clinton: And it's, it's cl- evidence that, the Seahawks
22:51
receivers feel the same.
22:52
So it'll be very, very fun to, to watch.
22:55
Now, like, look, I'll, I'll bring up another Cowboy.
22:57
You know who threw a nice ball like that who, who was a Hall of Famer?
23:00
Troy Aikman.
23:00
Troy Aikman threw a ball that was like, that thing just lands and it, it
23:03
lands- Yeah … the right kind of way.
23:05
So, I'm
23:06
Brandan: done- I understand that we're playing the Cowboys, but like-
23:08
Clinton: I'm done talking about
23:09
Brandan: Cowboys.
23:09
we've, we've talked enough about the Cowboys already.
23:12
I want to see, this is our first chance that we're getting to
23:15
see- Yeah … our Seahawks live on television in the preseason.
23:19
I, I, the, the things I'm watching on the Cowboys sideline are l- almost zero-
23:25
… compared to what I wanna see because- I
23:27
Phil: thought he was gonna say something, but then he-
23:29
Clinton: Yeah, me too.
23:29
But the, but, but it's, yeah, but he d- he didn't go there.
23:31
Who
23:31
Phil: he was gonna watch on the Cowboys sideline, but the,
23:34
that this isn't an Dallas show.
23:34
I think, yes, the- Maybe he won't
23:35
… Clinton: yes, the Cowboy cheerleaders, for sure.
23:37
The, the Cowgirls, I believe they're called.
23:39
All right, let's talk- They aren't
23:40
Brandan: bringing them to Seattle.
23:41
I know.
23:41
We
23:41
Clinton: have our own, so.
23:41
Let's
23:42
Phil: talk- What about Neal, Brandan?
23:43
That's who you wanna talk…
23:44
Are you, no, you wanna talk about Clark, right?
23:46
I wanna
23:46
Brandan: talk about Clark, yeah.
23:47
Okay,
23:47
Phil: do Clark.
23:48
Brandan: Well, well, s- that's what I was getting to, and I, I think part of seeing
23:52
what Bud Clark offers in this game, it also is in part due to how much or how
24:00
little we see of Tayo Cara because- Mm-hmm
24:03
yeah, one of the things, we just generally don't see a lot of starters- Yeah … get
24:08
snaps within the preseason, and Tayo Cara expected to be that guy who comes
24:12
in and, and fills that Kobe Bryant role.
24:15
But has he b- established himself enough to miss out on too many
24:21
snaps within the preseason?
24:22
I- I think so … I think how man- I think so, too, but I think it'll
24:26
be, if we don't see him at all, I, I think that tells us something, right?
24:31
It tells us- Yeah … that he has established himself enough that if he's
24:35
getting the, the same number of snaps as the starters, which may be zero, then,
24:42
he's, he's with that crowd as well.
24:44
So, seeing Bud Clark out there and how many snaps he might get.
24:48
B- just because, yeah, he was our top defensive player that we selected, and
24:54
on a team that is stacked on defense.
24:56
Like, that, that part legitimately excites me, is I, I wanna see Bud
25:02
Clark out there and what they see, what Coach Macdonald has seen in him.
25:07
Are, are we going to see him in a similar light as a, a Nick Emmanwori
25:14
type, or are we gonna see him, more- Well, if- … of a traditional safety?
25:19
I, I, I wanna see exactly what type of role, and maybe we aren't gonna get
25:24
enough of that really within the- Oh
25:26
preseason, but, I, I just wanna see some hints at it.
25:31
Phil: What do you think, Clinton?
25:32
What, what do you think we're gonna get from Bud?
25:33
I, I…
25:34
Do, do we think he's redshirting a little bit this year?
25:36
Do you think the plan is we hope he's not getting a lot of snaps,
25:40
and that if he does, that means, one of our starters is hurt?
25:43
Or do you think the expectation is he's gonna be playing a lot?
25:46
Clinton: I don't, at, at this point, I don't think the expectation is that
25:50
he'll be playing a lot this year.
25:52
Yeah.
25:52
I d- I don't think so.
25:54
so I think it might be a little premature if, if he ends up on the
25:57
field quite a bit, I think it's probably due to, due to some injury.
26:01
Yeah.
26:01
but with that, you know, what do I…
26:04
Look, what I wanna s- what, what I wanna see from safeties is
26:07
usually very, very consistent.
26:09
For me, l- safeties like Kobe Bryant were extraordinarily good about, like, not
26:16
letting stuff behind him- Yeah … making plays on the ball when he had chances.
26:21
Enough of a thumper.
26:22
He wasn't a huge thumper, but enough of a tackler and a sure tackler.
26:26
And then when he needs to run fit, he was, he's very sound, right?
26:29
So I, the biggest thing I could see from Bud Clark is like,
26:33
okay, A, don't get burnt over the top because you're a safety.
26:38
Yeah.
26:38
But also, I know that's simple, but don't let that happen to you.
26:41
But I, more importantly, I'm like, are you coming down the line and
26:44
hitting people when you need to?
26:46
Like, are you bringing your hat?
26:47
Are you a short, you sh- you know, short enough tackler?
26:49
Are you, when you're coming down there, are you able to shed, shed dudes that
26:54
might be a tight end or a wide receiver on you, or a guard that's trying to get to
26:58
a second level and, you know, you're kind of s- a safety kinda crash down the box?
27:02
Yeah.
27:04
Are you able to shed those, meaningfully and stick your
27:07
hat in there and make tackles?
27:09
Because for me, on a Mike Macdonald defense, you have
27:12
got to be able to do that.
27:14
And, the rest of the athleticism of a safety, I think he's got that in spades.
27:18
So I wanna just see that kind of toughness about him coming down and
27:22
making some plays and making some tackles.
27:25
Phil: Here's what I wanna say about Bud.
27:27
My expectation, because this isn't on Amazon, is that we don't wanna see him
27:31
a lot because if we don't see him a lot, he's probably doing a fairly good job.
27:36
When you see a safety on the way, they annoyingly still just give you
27:40
a tiny piece of football even though we have these awesome, you know, 21st
27:45
century giant screen TVs on our wall.
27:48
They still zoom in where all you see is the line of scrimmage, and the short
27:51
outs, and the quarterback instead of the field where all the football's happening.
27:56
When you see the safety, most of the time it's not a good thing, especially
28:01
if he's gonna be playing deep safety.
28:02
So if we don't see Bud out there a lot even though he's in, that's probably good.
28:07
It is nice on run plays to see that he knows where to fit, so you see
28:10
him come up and not out of place.
28:12
It is nice if there's a deep ball that they're trying that you see
28:15
him in the location he needs to be.
28:17
most of the time if we saw Kobe, it's 'cause he was making a play.
28:21
A lot of the times you didn't see him all game unless it happened to be on
28:23
Amazon where they show football properly.
28:26
Clinton: Yeah, it is pretty cool.
28:27
The Prime Vision is dope.
28:28
And real quick on safeties, year two, Max and Hook, who is from Toledo,
28:32
so Toledo ended up becoming this place where DBs are blossoming.
28:36
Just, just a guy to watch.
28:38
If you don't know Max and Hook yet, it's just, hey, you're
28:41
gonna see him on Saturday.
28:43
So if you're out there and you're like, "Who the heck is Hook?"
28:45
Well, second year, Toledo guy, and rumors in camp are he's, he's pushing.
28:51
He's pushing to be the backup, versus Bud at this point.
28:56
And then you always got steak and beer D'Anthony Bell who plays flex.
28:59
He'll play, he'll play corner, he'll play…
29:00
You know, they kind of flex him around, so-
29:02
Phil: Special
29:02
Clinton: teams … we'll s-
29:02
Phil: Yeah.
29:03
Clinton: Yeah, we'll see what the mix is that they're gonna
29:04
do between Clark, Hook, Bell.
29:07
Look, you mentioned Ty Okada earlier, Brandan.
29:10
Mm.
29:10
I think we're w- frankly pretty darn thin at the, at that position.
29:15
I don't wanna see Okada take a snap.
29:17
I…
29:17
No, thank you.
29:18
I'd rather see Price take a snap over Okada.
29:21
Brandan: Yeah.
29:21
I, I don't think we'll see him much, but, gosh, just listening to Okada
29:27
through the pre-season, it's,…
29:30
That I, we have another Montana guy to root for, which makes me happy.
29:33
Phil: Okay.
29:34
Clinton: Yeah, yeah.
29:35
We, it's always good to have more Montana boys.
29:37
They tend to play pretty good football.
29:39
Hard nose, for sure.
29:40
Brandan: All right, so we got, we, we, we've got Phil's first, we've got
29:44
mine, and, that leaves you, Clinton.
29:47
Who, who is the top name that-
29:49
Clinton: Oh
29:50
Brandan: that you're looking to watch-
29:51
Clinton: Yeah … on Saturday?
29:52
Brandan: So,
29:52
Clinton: like you guys know me.
29:54
so- Right … it's obviously third-string, Cowboys quarterback
29:59
and Seahawks legend Sam Howell.
30:00
He was, he's gonna … We're gonna see him.
30:02
So, no, the, there's a couple, but I really wanna see Mason Richman.
30:07
Okay.
30:07
And-
30:07
Phil: Yeah, I
30:08
have
30:08
Clinton: him circled
30:09
yeah, and the reason being is, I, I don't know, or I don't think he's
30:14
gonna challenge, Bradford for that right guard position.
30:18
Phil: No, no.
30:19
Clinton: You know, I, I just, it doesn't seem like that's the leap that's
30:21
happening quite yet, but in the scrum that is that, the Cabell Due, you know-
30:27
Yeah … area o- of the team, it appears that Richman is, accelerating.
30:33
And frankly, Christian- Yeah … Hayes, Haynes is still hanging around,
30:35
our, our UConn guy, year three.
30:37
So I wanna kinda see both of them and try to get a, a, just a, a sizing of who's
30:44
got the best shot to be the next man up.
30:47
Because- Yeah … it's the NFL.
30:49
At some point, very likely, knock on all the woods, one of the five dudes that are
30:54
starters are gonna have a week or two off.
30:56
Phil: Oh,
30:57
Clinton: yeah.
30:57
That's typically what happens.
30:59
It's very, very rare that you would go clean the entire
31:01
year with your starting five.
31:02
We know Josh Jones came in last year as a swing tackle and played
31:06
phenomenally well when Cross went out.
31:08
And it, it would be really nice to see both Haynes and Richman
31:14
play at, like, a solid level throughout, throughout the game.
31:17
So Brandan, that's it for me, man.
31:18
I think, I think Mason Richman's the one dude I really wanna see the most of.
31:23
Mm-hmm.
31:24
Brandan: Yeah, I like the idea of seeing Richman.
31:27
I, I guess when I, I go to…
31:31
We, we've seen a little bit of him, so when it comes to the
31:34
offensive linemen, we only have one rookie, and that's Bo Stevens.
31:37
Yeah.
31:38
Phil: Mm-hmm.
31:38
Brandan: And, and so he's probably the number one guy for me just
31:43
because I haven't seen him yet, and I wanna see- Yeah … what Bo Stevens
31:45
is about there, about out there.
31:48
Phil: Well, there's only gonna be so many backups.
31:50
I mean, Josh says it on here that Haynes has it locked up.
31:52
I'm thinking here, we got Bo Stevens, Mason Richman, Bryce Cabell Due,
31:58
Olu Olawotimi- Christian Haynes, two of those guys probably are
32:03
not going to be on the roster.
32:06
And, and when Adam and I did the show about the sophomores, we talked
32:09
about Richman and Cabell-Doo.
32:11
I wasn't…
32:12
I kinda like them both, but I'm leaning more Richman is gonna make
32:16
it and Cabell-Doo might be trying to get on the practice squad or he
32:19
might be snagged by somebody else.
32:21
Olu is a solid center, but future-wise it's concerning to give up on three guys
32:27
that we all think could be solid backups.
32:30
That backup interior lineman position is super important.
32:34
I mean, having all three of them play all season, that would be
32:37
just getting a Yahtzee over and over, in a Yahtzee game.
32:41
It's just highly unlikely.
32:42
So who that's gonna be is very, very important.
32:45
It's someone that's gonna get meaningful snaps.
32:47
So I had that circled with all those guys.
32:49
I'm just wondering of those five which three are gonna make the
32:54
roster, and so maybe the preseason will help us get a little tip on that
32:58
Brandan: Yeah, if I had to, I, I never really cared for what
33:03
I saw from Cabell do even-
33:04
Phil: Yeah,
33:05
Brandan: okay … before he was drafted by the team.
33:07
he was one of the guys that- So first round
33:09
we s- saw at Shrine Bowl and, you know, he had some athletic
33:13
upside, but it wasn't anything that I think- So then it's- … stood
33:18
out even in the preseason last year.
33:19
So, yeah, obviously, Richman hit my radar- It's over … when,
33:25
th- he, he didn't win the sledgehammer competition, but,- … I, I
33:29
think based on his shakiness early on, he, he ended up, hanging
33:34
on well enough that,- Totally
33:36
you know, when we watched him on Hard Knocks holding up those sledgehammers
33:38
that, that got me, a little more interested in Richman.
33:42
But
33:42
Phil: he looked, he looked good against Mills though, right?
33:45
I mean, he really held up on the actual blocking portion.
33:48
Yeah.
33:48
Mills wasn't getting where Mills wanted to go, right?
33:51
Right.
33:51
Yeah.
33:51
Clinton: Yeah, for sure, and that one-on-one c- like, you know, it's a clear
33:55
win by Richman, but- Yeah … that's the reports have been that he's,
33:58
Richman has looked like one of the better dudes in the one-on-one drills.
34:02
Which if you're an offensive lineman, the one-on-ones are, those are actually
34:06
really important, you know, drills.
34:07
That's like, okay, you're going up against this dude, you know, mano a
34:10
mano, and you don't have any support.
34:13
There's no chips, hence one-on-one.
34:15
so and Richman seemingly is, is doing well in, in drills like that.
34:21
So again, let's see how, if he can translate it.
34:24
Yes, he's a y- a year two guy, but, you know, didn't get too
34:27
much, too much play last year.
34:29
boys, would you mind if we rotate over to another blocking
34:33
type player, for a second?
34:34
Before we get
34:34
Brandan: there, I, I need to address- Are you doing the one I want
34:36
Phil: to do next?
34:37
Clinton: Maybe.
34:37
I
34:37
Brandan: need to address Michael Knight in the comments because- Okay.
34:39
… he says, "I want to win the debate with Brandan.
34:41
Bo, baby, I need some Stephens.
34:43
Will he unseat our starting right guard?"
34:46
And Michael- I- … I'm, I, I'm talking about, Stephens even showing up as
34:51
being able to stick around as a backup.
34:53
Like I'm not looking at him as, at taking over,- Yeah … the,
34:57
right guard spot from Anthony Bradford.
34:59
Now that would be great if he does show up that way.
35:01
Like if I…
35:02
And I'll be, I'll happily lose the argument to you, Michael, if, if he
35:05
shows up in a big way and looks like he can unseat Anthony Bradford through
35:10
a couple games in the preseason.
35:12
He, I, that's maybe part of the reason why I'm watching him so closely in,
35:16
this game against the Cowboys.
35:18
Clinton: I, I'm glad you parked there for a second and, and nice
35:20
comment there by Michael Knight.
35:21
Remember, do you guys remember the first preseason game last
35:24
year against the Broncos?
35:27
Phil: I don't.
35:28
There was a lot of cool games since then.
35:30
Clinton: Yeah.
35:31
That's just, that's true.
35:34
Phil: We got a- Like a winning streak that we're still
35:34
Clinton: on … yeah, yeah.
35:35
We don't have to slum it in the, in last year's preseason.
35:37
But the, the, thing that just kind of came back to me from last
35:41
year was that we got to see Gray Zabel early last year, and there was, we
35:45
ran the crap out of the ball- Yeah
35:47
that first preseason game, and it was like, oh my gosh, Zabel's athleticism
35:52
is on display, and he's getting- Yeah … to the second level, and we're
35:54
stealing things around the corner.
35:56
So for Michael's, not so much sake, but, but maybe, maybe we get
36:00
that kind of- Yeah … that kind of Bo performance, and it's like- Yeah
36:03
oh, dude.
36:04
Well, we
36:04
Brandan: better because Zabel was hyping him up saying, "Oh, Bo might be ahead
36:07
of where I was my rookie season," which-
36:09
Clinton: Yeah
36:09
… Brandan: I b- I don't buy that at all, but,- Yeah … if, if it's
36:12
true, then, I wanna see it.
36:14
Clinton: Yes.
36:15
Me too.
36:15
Me too.
36:16
All right.
36:16
So now I think we can move on.
36:18
Phil, sounds like you are gonna go where I was gonna go, so why don't you go
36:21
and we'll see if, we go together?
36:23
Phil: We said we're talking blocking people.
36:25
Mm-hmm.
36:25
We just lost a guy who was planning to block on, say, 25-ish
36:29
percent of the snaps this season.
36:31
So we brought in somebody, I wish his name was just Lamp, but we have- … to
36:36
pronounce the E at the end, so it ruins all the fun that I was hoping to
36:40
have doing gifs in Discord this year.
36:43
But I'm hoping he's that good where we do get some gifs on some killer Lampy
36:47
blocks be- boy, I wish it was Lamp.
36:50
But- So I, I've been looking forward to this game.
36:54
That's my second one circled after Milroe, and I wanted to circle the guards as
36:59
well, 'cause I'm really curious which ones are gonna get to stick with the team.
37:02
I like Josh's idea of maybe trading Olu so that we can keep
37:05
Bo and keep, bringing him up.
37:07
But- After Jalen, the guy I wanna see is Lampy out there.
37:12
I wanna see a guy that just knows how to play some fullback, and I wanna see if
37:16
he will flourish in this Fleury system.
37:19
Clinton: Ooh, I like that.
37:20
I'll, I'll pass to you real quick, Brandan, the, the piece of Josh,
37:24
DeHooman, who's hanging out with us right now, and, Josh Height, Field Gulls
37:28
contributor, he's hanging out with us live right now too, along with Bryce.
37:31
What's up, what's up, Bryce?
37:32
Yep.
37:32
And, Josh posted the YouTube highlights yesterday in- Yes … in
37:36
our Discord for Sea Hawkers Podcast.
37:38
And so then I, I went and watched it finally.
37:41
And, you know, the…
37:43
He's, he's at NIU, at, Northern Illinois there.
37:47
He is doing the things, the half-orbit motions, and he's in motion a lot.
37:52
And he's got soft hands.
37:54
And- Mm … now, and, the thing that impressed me the most about the…
37:57
It's a highlight reel, I understand that, but his positioning as a
38:02
fullback seemed really just sound.
38:04
Just, and-
38:05
Phil: He's already a U's check.
38:05
He's already a U's check, right?
38:06
Clinton: Well, well, you know, maybe so, maybe not.
38:09
But, but he looked, he looked competent, and he know- it looks like
38:12
he really understands the position.
38:13
So playing four years of college, couple years the, in the NFL now,
38:17
I'm excited to watch Lampy.
38:19
I do hope that Fleury gets a piece back that he might've lost with Utz.
38:24
That's all I really want, is, like, can he get, s- a really strong
38:28
fullback in the building again?
38:30
Because Brandan, I think Fleury really does want that in his offense,
38:34
considering where he came from and how much, how often the, the Niners would
38:38
put two running backs on the field.
38:40
Brandan: I can't believe that you guys are ready to move on from Brady
38:44
Russell to some Patriots castaway, ahead of our, our special teams
38:51
legend, that can also play fullback.
38:54
Phil: We've seen Brady Russell, we've seen Brady Russell try to play on offense.
38:56
Clinton: I, yeah, I don't think…
38:58
I like Brady Russell as a human, and I like him as a- Yeah, he looks good.
39:01
Yeah … as a sp- special teamer, and- He's
39:02
Brandan: gonna be on the team anyway, though … and, and- Why can't he
39:05
develop into being a, the bigger part- Well- … of the offense at fullback?
39:08
Well,
39:09
Clinton: that's a fair point.
39:09
Mc- Macdonald will always say, and I've adopted this, you know,
39:12
"You're allowed to get better," right?
39:13
Yeah.
39:14
And Russell is a, a good athlete on, unto his own right, and he's- Yeah, he is.
39:18
He moves … an awesome human.
39:19
We just met his, met his wife two, two years ago now at, at
39:22
the, at the casino out there.
39:23
It was great people.
39:25
They, they had just gotten married.
39:26
Awesome people.
39:27
As a fullback, I don't see him, the chances we have gotten, I don't see
39:32
him with enough power to be a fullback.
39:34
Yeah, that's the
39:35
Phil: thing.
39:35
Clinton: And I just, I hope Lampy has more, but that's, that's
39:40
the biggest I don't know yet.
39:41
That's what I wanna see.
39:43
that's what I wanna see Saturday, is, like, can he do
39:46
the thing, not just position?
39:47
Brandan: Yeah, can he be cleating dudes and putting them- Can he…
39:48
Yes … on the ground and doing things that, maybe Because if you, if you
39:54
aren't getting that from Russell or Lampy, then you're talking about having
39:58
to use, some of the tight ends farther down in the depth chart to- Yeah
40:02
to do those sorts of things.
40:03
Clinton: Kalerup.
40:04
Yeah, that's,- Kalerup … that's, that's about right.
40:07
Brandan: Hey, if they're gonna keep Kalerup around on this team, they
40:09
need to find some work for him too.
40:10
Clinton: Well, Kalerup is the dude that is actually more like Utz, not sho- like
40:14
size-wise, but it's not shocking 'cause he's also a tight end like Utz was, right?
40:18
So it wouldn't be shocking if they're like, "Let's give
40:21
him some run at fullback."
40:23
with that, Lampy is actually a fullback, so let's see what he can do.
40:28
Phil: Clinton's just so he can't get away from the sadness
40:31
of Utz being gone for the-
40:33
Clinton: I am sad about that
40:34
… Phil: gotta learn how to face it.
40:37
Clinton: Look, I just will continue to say I think Utz is a different
40:39
type of athlete than those- Yeah
40:41
other dudes are.
40:42
In explosives, in his size, his mitts, his wingspan, he's
40:46
a different type of athlete.
40:47
he's injured, and that sucks, and I hope he gets healthy, but
40:51
the other dudes- Oh … on the roster are not the athlete he is.
40:53
Phil: I did notice, Fleury, he just likes to have two guys back there.
40:57
So just- Yeah
40:57
because he's running, you know, not n- just 'cause he's running maybe 12 or 11
41:03
personnel, that doesn't mean he won't have two guys come to the backfield.
41:06
He often will put, Kupp could go back there, right?
41:09
He a- JSN could go back there.
41:11
In fact, if you got a lead blocker- Bo-Boi … and your lead blocker
41:13
turns out to be Kupp or Bobo, that's not even a bad thing either.
41:17
They handle their business okay.
41:18
So just because you're running what would be called 11 personnel,
41:23
it doesn't mean that Fleury isn't going to bring one of those guys
41:28
into the backfield with the H-back, with, with the running back himself.
41:31
So-
41:32
Brandan: Yep.
41:32
Right
41:32
… Phil: I, I think
41:33
Brandan: that's something- Yeah, you can scheme around it.
41:34
There's o- obviously, if, JSN's in the backfield, he's not putting
41:38
anybody- No … in the ground either, even though,- But get
41:41
Phil: the best players on the field, right?
41:43
Brandan: Right.
41:43
And- Well,
41:44
Clinton: yeah.
41:44
Brandan: Yeah … I don't know if we need to be, you know, three f- two, three
41:48
fullbacks deep on the roster- Yeah … for
41:51
Clinton: 53.
41:51
Probably not.
41:52
Probably not.
41:53
We have other, other areas like having three quarterbacks, for sure.
41:56
All right, well, where do we wanna go next?
41:57
How about you, Brandan?
41:59
Brandan: Oh, gosh, okay.
42:00
So, I've talked about Bo Stevens.
42:02
I, I've ta- is there another rookie?
42:05
are we gonna get to see Julian Neal out there?
42:08
I, I know that, I want to see him.
42:11
But,-
42:12
Phil: I don't, he's questionable still.
42:12
Yeah.
42:13
Brandan: Yeah.
42:13
We've, we've addressed the, the depth at cornerback being an
42:16
issue with signing Terrion Arnold.
42:18
So,-
42:20
Phil: What about Noah or, and, or-
42:22
Brandan: Oh yeah, Noah Igbinoghene.
42:24
I…
42:24
And he's enough of a veteran, being seven years in.
42:27
Yeah.
42:28
I, well, I guess- Based on where he is on the depth chart, gosh, that
42:34
one's gonna be interesting just to see how many snaps that he gets because
42:39
a veteran, but outside our system-
42:41
Clinton: Yeah
42:42
Brandan: how much are they going to use him, within the preseason?
42:46
Yeah, that, I, I could see that being an interesting part of it.
42:51
And yeah, if we can see a little Igbinoghene, maybe we can start
42:55
getting that name, drilled into our heads, because I do think that he's going
42:59
to end up making this roster and,
43:02
Phil: and- There's a couple bubble guys right there on
43:04
that corner, especially- Right
43:05
with our new signing.
43:06
It's gonna be-
43:06
Clinton: Yeah
43:07
… Phil: interesting.
43:07
Clinton: I, I think the, the potential-
43:10
Phil: Pritchett, like-
43:11
Clinton: Yeah, that, you just, you just named it right there.
43:13
I think the, the telltale will be how, how confident is
43:19
Macdonald in Nehemiah Pritchett?
43:21
And I think a, a sign will be do we see him at all?
43:26
Do we see Pritchett a lot?
43:28
You know, now- Mm.
43:29
Yeah … we just pushed out Arnold, so, like, seemingly Pritchett's
43:33
now battling with him as well for, for, you know, for playing time.
43:36
And- Neal, Pritchett,
43:37
Phil: Igbinoghene
43:37
… Clinton: well, and, and also Dansby.
43:39
Dansby's b- been, been- Dansby … turning heads, in, in a positive way.
43:42
Two of those guys are
43:42
Phil: gonna make it.
43:43
So- Will
43:43
Clinton: Free,
43:44
Phil: I don't know.
43:44
Yeah.
43:44
Clinton: Yeah, I, I don't know either.
43:46
It's so, so will we see a…
43:47
I, I guess what I'm trying to say is if we see a lot of Pritchett
43:50
on Saturday, I'm not sure that's necessarily a great thing for Pritchett.
43:54
Yeah.
43:55
Now he, he could take every opportunity and be like, "No, I'm
43:57
gonna take this and be lights out.
44:00
Thank you for the opportunity."
44:01
But I'm not sure what that volume says from a coaching
44:04
perspective if we see a lot of it.
44:07
Brandan: Yeah.
44:07
We've got Yokai Hawk in the chat saying, "Which players
44:10
wear the green dot on defense?"
44:11
Patrick.
44:11
Generally it's been the middle linebacker, so- O'Connell … Patrick O'Connell
44:16
would probably be the guy since he's right behind Ernest Jones on the
44:20
depth chart at middle linebacker.
44:21
And, going into year four, yeah, I'd expect to see…
44:25
'Cause I don't even know if O'Connell has made the 53 at,
44:30
when it's come to roster cuts.
44:32
Generally, he's made the team slipping to practice squad, and then, you know,
44:36
we've seen him throughout the season as they brought him up from practice squad.
44:39
But I don't know if he's ever made the cut and been part of the f- initial 53.
44:44
Hmm.
44:45
So, this could be a year…
44:49
I…
44:49
Selfishly, I still want him on the team, but- Yeah.
44:51
… you know, if he gets cut, this, this could be a year where another team
44:55
goes and picks him up just based on the level of experience that he has.
44:58
So, whether that's O'Connell, maybe we see a little Tyrice Knight out there- Yeah
45:03
wearing the
45:05
Phil: green dot
45:05
Brandan: too, so.
45:05
Do you
45:05
Phil: think Riley's gonna play?
45:06
Do you think R- think Riley Mills will play a little bit?
45:09
Brandan: I would, I would think- I would- … Riley plays a little bit, yeah.
45:12
Clinton: I would think he gets a little run.
45:13
I think so.
45:14
It's
45:14
Phil: the first preseason, right?
45:15
So.
45:15
Clinton: Yeah.
45:16
I mean, absolutely.
45:17
And, and on the Patrick, Patrick O'Connell part, I am so comfortable.
45:21
Like, if, if he's our linebacker four, you know…
45:25
How many do we typically carry?
45:26
I don't really know.
45:28
Do we have like five?
45:28
Oh, you're talking
45:28
Brandan: about Knight and O'Connell.
45:29
Yeah.
45:29
If you're talking about in- interior linebackers, yeah, four-
45:32
Clinton: Okay.
45:33
Yeah … five max.
45:33
Yeah.
45:34
So I mean, yeah, the interior for sure.
45:36
Yeah.
45:36
So I'm so comfortable- Four
45:39
if he's our fourth linebacker.
45:40
He's good.
45:41
Phil: O'Connell and, O'Connell and Knight, right?
45:43
That's who-
45:43
Clinton: Well, and but Knight is, like, cemented.
45:45
Like, Knight- Yeah … from my under- I mean, Knight is…
45:48
I mean, look, ev- every chance- Listen … I have so much respect for Tyrice Knight
45:51
after being, having a really good f- first rookie year, then losing his job
45:56
to Drake Thomas, who did awesome, right?
45:58
Totally.
45:59
Phil: Great
45:59
Clinton: camp.
45:59
And everything Tyrice Knight did when he got his opportunities
46:02
was just play good football.
46:04
He played r- Yeah … just didn't make any noise.
46:06
And there's…
46:08
The, the pundits that are out there are like, "Look, if, if Tyrice Knight's
46:11
on many other teams, the majority of teams, he's starting in this league."
46:16
So I think, I, I think he's in bubble wrap with, with the other two dudes.
46:19
But man, Patrick O'Connell to me is, like, so valuable.
46:23
Phil: Like- Does anybody have a shot at unseating
46:25
O'Connell for the fourth spot?
46:26
I mean, do we think that
46:28
Clinton: Surratt or Chris Paul- You got, you got Chris Paul and Surratt Yeah.
46:30
And I don't know that either-
46:32
Phil: Guess we'll see some of them in, in- Yeah.
46:33
Surratt
46:34
Brandan: spent more time on special teams- Special teams … last year.
46:37
Yeah.
46:37
So I, I would think that if they go-
46:39
Phil: But O'Connell was great on special teams.
46:41
Brandan: Yeah
46:42
Clinton: Collins, he's good.
46:43
Phil: He's
46:43
Clinton: just
46:43
Phil: a good linebacker He'd be trusted on the field
46:45
if that's the thing I'm
46:46
Clinton: a,
46:47
Brandan: I'm a fan Michael Knight in chat saying, "So here I'm gonna ask a question.
46:50
Do the starters even play at all?"
46:52
And it's, it's really strange because when- No … we used to have four
46:57
preseason games to where you, you definitely wouldn't see them in the
47:01
first game, and then sometimes you'd see them for the first drive and maybe
47:05
the second or third preseason game.
47:09
If we go based on how, Coach Macdonald operated last season, we did not see
47:16
Sam Darnold in the preseason at all.
47:18
It was only Drew Lock, Jalen Milroe in that first preseason
47:21
game against the Raiders last year.
47:24
Mm-hmm.
47:24
And then, gosh, did we see, I think maybe in the second game we
47:29
saw Sam for at least just one drive.
47:33
So yeah, it's, it's-
47:34
Phil: Mm-hmm
47:35
… Brandan: if we see him at all-
47:36
Phil: That was
47:37
Brandan: right … yeah, yeah, okay.
47:38
So-
47:38
Phil: Jason was out there for, like, two plays.
47:40
Brandan: Right.
47:41
Clinton: Yeah, only dude that I see that might start, and it's because
47:44
of injury to Emmanwori, is Igbinoghene.
47:47
Like- Yeah … maybe, maybe he's out there playing 'cause it's, he's
47:50
in competition now- Yeah … and he ends up starting the year.
47:53
But I, I still wouldn't put him in the star- starter category.
47:56
No.
47:56
That's 'cause of injury.
47:57
Phil: As far as sophomores, I know this moves to the other side of the
47:59
ball, but we talked about the guards.
48:01
The only other sophomores I'm wondering if we'll get to see them a little
48:04
bit, and they finished the season, you know, out hurt unfortunately.
48:08
What about Arroyo and Horton?
48:10
Do you think we'll get to see them a little bit in
48:12
Clinton: the- Hmm.
48:12
Good questions.
48:13
Yeah, or they're like- They're like- … bubble wrap material too.
48:16
What do you think, Brad?
48:16
They're like
48:16
Phil: snap getters but not necessarily starters
48:20
Clinton: Yeah, they're important.
48:20
What do you think, Brandan?
48:21
Brandan: Oh, I was researching another, topic- Oh,
48:24
okay … so why don't you take it?
48:25
Clinton: Oh, okay.
48:26
it'd be nice, like, a- a- Horton almost more so than Arroyo,
48:32
and that's not Arroyo shade.
48:33
I'm coming around to Arroyo, by the way.
48:34
I, I wanna be very wrong on Arroyo.
48:37
it'd be nice because of Horton's injuries.
48:40
You know, just to get him back into a flow state out there.
48:43
He's super, super talented, so maybe he gets, like, a series and
48:48
gets, you know, gets a pass or two.
48:50
That I could see happening, Phil, because you gotta go through a lot of
48:55
wide receivers in games naturally anyway.
48:58
and then, you know, when you look at tight ends, so, you know,
49:00
we know Barnard's not gonna play.
49:02
Fine.
49:02
Phil: No, that's
49:02
Clinton: fine.
49:02
I don't know if Saubert gets in, because you still got Nick Vannett,
49:06
you got Kaler up, you got other dudes down- down line in, in Arroyo.
49:10
Saubert
49:11
Phil: doesn't need to play.
49:11
There's no benefit
49:12
Clinton: to him playing.
49:13
I don't think he needs to play either.
49:14
He- he's, he's your starting, you know, in a 12 or 13, he's your
49:17
blocking tight end starter in that way.
49:20
So it looks to me like El- Elijah might get some run Saturday.
49:24
Again, as a second-year dude who didn't get huge volume last year, and if you
49:31
really wanna kinda wet Fleury's whistle a little bit about how he's gonna use
49:35
him in different motion packages and-
49:37
Phil: Mm-hmm
49:37
Clinton: try to get mismatches on linebackers and,-
49:40
Phil: Yeah
49:41
… Clinton: you know, a- and so- Give
49:42
Phil: Milroe something fun to throw to.
49:44
If he had-
49:44
Clinton: Yeah
49:44
… Phil: those two guys on a couple drives, that would be nice.
49:46
Clinton: So I think we might see both of them now that I'm looking
49:49
at it deeper, so I, I'd like to see a little bit of both those guys.
49:52
They're on- they're only second-year guys.
49:56
Brandan: Yeah.
49:56
I, I'm interested in seeing Arroyo and how he, has progressed from last
50:01
year and I th- and I think, yeah, he definitely needs some pre-season snaps.
50:04
So, maybe th- maybe that'll be a, a good target for…
50:09
Well, let's see.
50:10
Will he be out there with…
50:12
One of the things we heard from Coach Macdonald is he, he kind of alluded to
50:17
doing something a little bit different with the pre-season, and I, I wanna say
50:21
it was with regard to a question about w- how much we're gonna see Milroe.
50:26
Milroe.
50:26
And so I wonder if we might end up seeing him get s-
50:31
seeing him earlier than later.
50:34
Phil: Yeah, that's a good question.
50:35
I've be- I was just thinking about that before you brought that up again.
50:38
I was like, "Is, is Milroe gonna get to play with any of the number twos, or
50:42
does he have to wait till the second half and play with all guys that are unlikely
50:47
to make the team, or just battling?"
50:49
'Cause he's, he is the third string at this point.
50:52
Guys that are just battling to try to make the roster or even the
50:55
practice squad or try to get onto their teams, does he have to do that?
50:59
'Cause that's kind of a bummer for us getting to see.
51:01
However, Drew needs to get used to running the offense 'cause it- it's one snap
51:06
away from him needing to go in there and help us win games if something does
51:09
happen to Sam, because Mike Macdonald can't protect Sam, once we have
51:13
kickoff, against the Patriots.
51:16
Brandan: No, but he's also experienced enough that-
51:20
Phil: Yeah
51:20
… Brandan: I'm not really concerned about his number of pre-season snaps either.
51:25
Phil: It's not as fun for us to watch Drew, no doubt.
51:27
But I'm wondering, like, he does need to have some familiarity
51:31
with those guys, right?
51:32
Mm-hmm.
51:32
Brandan: It's funny, Michael Knight in chat saying, Hard Knocks has
51:35
changed his perception of the pre-season game because now, now we get to see
51:39
the action of the practices- Yeah
51:42
and through Hard Knocks and so we- But that's all
51:45
Phil: dramatized and like-
51:46
Brandan: A little bit, yeah.
51:47
Yeah.
51:47
But it, it's kind of, it satiated our appetite for football a little bit, right?
51:52
For sure.
51:52
Because we, we've gotten a little bit of it on Tuesday
51:55
night, ahead of the game.
51:56
So yeah, that's funny how that changes your, your outlook just a little bit.
52:00
Clinton: But e- everything, my disposition.
52:03
I, I couldn't sleep, what was it, Tuesday night, right?
52:06
So Tuesday night, Hard Knocks comes on.
52:08
It was s- a- I thought that episode was fantastic.
52:11
Yeah.
52:11
And then we went live and did the live after that, and that was a ton of fun.
52:15
I, and I'm on the East Coast, so, you know, by the time we wrap- Middle of the
52:19
Phil: night
52:19
Clinton: it's like 11:30.
52:20
I don't think I went to bed until about, like, 1:00.
52:23
It was like game day for me.
52:24
I was, like, buzzing.
52:25
I'm like, I didn't have late coffee or nothing like that.
52:28
I just had a hard time going to sleep.
52:30
I was so yoked about that freaking episode.
52:32
So definitely feel what Michael Knight's saying.
52:34
And to your point, Brandan, that, you know, scratching the
52:37
itch, it did that and then some.
52:39
I had, like, a game day win buzz after that was over.
52:44
Maybe it's just being a Seahawks fan.
52:45
You like, you just, you feel like you won, you know, in many ways.
52:48
Phil: Here's something different about pre-season, 'cause I don't
52:50
wanna just dog on it constantly.
52:52
It's so easy to dog on, and people like the practice one with
52:56
another and your own teammates.
52:58
You just treat them different, and you kinda know what's coming.
53:01
Like, I coach soccer.
53:02
It's very, very hard for us to surprise our own team on anything that we
53:07
practice because we see it all the time, and you have to learn those things.
53:11
There's something about a quarterback stepping up to the line, and he's
53:14
not necessarily sure what the defense is gonna do, and they don't
53:18
necessarily have his best interest.
53:20
They're trying to make their own team.
53:22
That is very good for linemen in the trenches.
53:26
It's very good for a quarterback to process, and really all the players.
53:29
Dealing with somebody that you don't face day in, day out that knows all your moves,
53:34
knows all the stuff you do, that's very helpful information for the players to
53:38
grow from and for the coaches to see how they handle, you know, all of Clinton's
53:44
favorite players from the Cowboys.
53:47
Brandan: Lisa in chat saying, "Anyone dogging on pre-season
53:50
amiss- is missing the point.
53:51
It's beautiful chaos and it frigging rules."
53:54
Phil: Okay, thank you.
53:55
Clinton: No, it is.
53:55
That's…
53:56
I love, I love it all.
53:57
I did wanna ask, are you guys ready to fall in love with, with
54:01
a wide receiver this pre-season?
54:03
Are you ready for it?
54:04
One that, you know- I
54:05
Phil: mean-
54:05
Clinton: that Brandan might need a new jersey type of,- No.
54:07
Phil: You know?
54:08
I like the guys we have.
54:09
I like the guys we're familiar with.
54:10
I don't want a manual to make the team.
54:12
I mean, I'm fine if Ricky White's gonna be a combo guy.
54:15
I don't need to fall in love with anybody.
54:16
We have five awesome guys already
54:18
Clinton: We
54:18
Brandan: might have- I feel like I haven't fallen out of love with
54:21
Jake Bobo enough- Yeah, right.
54:22
Yeah … that, that I'm ready to move on to somebody new.
54:25
Jake
54:25
Phil: Bobo's season.
54:26
Brandan: F-
54:26
Clinton: f- fair enough.
54:27
I mean, I just putting the warning out there that we may all fall
54:30
in love with Foster, right?
54:31
Montorie Foster.
54:32
Different.
54:32
Just because he's, he's lighting it up.
54:34
And again, it's camp, and we know that camp is different than when the
54:39
lights are on, but he's l- he looked really good, and I think he's number
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87, if someone wants to confirm that.
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Just so folks, you know, 'cause you're watching it live, it's
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like, you know the announcers in…
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Most often- Yeah … the announcers in pre-season don't know who this dude
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is, so we gotta go by the numbers.
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Brandan: Look, if there's any reason for me to fall in love with either Montorie
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Foster or Emmanuel Henderson, it's because they have actual wide receiver numbers.
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Henderson wears 84- … Foster wears 87.
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You have real actual wide receiver numbers- That's
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great … that, you can enjoy.
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Phil: It almost looks weird now.
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Somebody wearing eight, I'm like, "What's that tight end doing
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Brandan: out there?"
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Why is, why is a tight end running wide receiver routes?
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Clinton: Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Phil: You got 10, 11, 22, 15.
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I mean- I like,
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Clinton: I, I like those points.
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Those are good points.
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And so it'll be cool to watch that, like, back of the wide receiver room battle.
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And- S- strictly because it's such a deep room.
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Like, you know you're not sniffing the field, but may- maybe you'll
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get in some, some special teams as a gunner or something like that.
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So Ema- Emmanuel Henderson absolutely flies and then
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he can play the gunner spot.
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Phil: Yeah.
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Clinton: It'll be in Ricky White year two now, so d- it'll just be another
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interesting pool of dudes to watch.
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And then you got like, again, this team, the wide receiver room, you
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got Cody White sitting there as like, whether you call him wide receiver five
55:54
or six and you flip-flop with Bobo.
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I like him.
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Man, I'm telling you right now, I've watched enough football that Cody
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White is a legit NFL wide receiver.
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Yeah.
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He is.
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And on many teams, probably upwards of 15 to 20, he's an easy wide receiver three,
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and he's sitting at five or six for us.
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So it's just gonna be cool to watch those dudes.
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but be, be prepared to at least get a little, little crush on one of these
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wide receivers for I have a feeling.
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What about a pass rusher?
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Brandan: Yeah.
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Well, Michael Knight is going where I wanted to go next anyway.
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Every preseason there is a rising star.
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Who will it be?
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Mm-hmm.
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We should have a contest.
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Pick the guy who shines this August.
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I, I don't know if I'm gonna pick the guy just to, in a, in terms of
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prediction, but I do have someone who I want to shine, and I want my preseason
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crush to be, because this generally is- Oh
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a skill position player, right?
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It's not like you fall in love with a, an interior defender because he- Can be a
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pass rusher … he's a great run stopper.
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May- maybe a pass rusher.
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But not obviously- We do see it a little bit with pass rushers.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Mm-hmm.
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You had depth pass rushers.
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Yeah.
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We've had that in the past, and I think, Ivy was one of those guys- Yeah
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in past seasons too that we've, we've seen have a n- a- He looked
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really good … a nice preseason.
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Mm-hmm.
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But for me, it would be Velus Jones, because we do have a little bit of
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depth at the running back that, I could be interested in and intrigued by.
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And Velus Jones, I think he has the ability to maybe be a- Yeah
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depth piece on special teams, too.
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So if he can show me something at running back, I, he's who I want my crush to be.
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That, to- He's gonna play a lot … to really, if he's pushing the other
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running backs like Holani and Price, that, that- And Wilson.
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Clinton: Don't
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Brandan: forget Wilson … and, and Emmanuel Wilson, yes.
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If, if Velus Jones- Wilson
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is my preseason crush, I think that would be, it would be a good sign for the team.
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Mm-hmm.
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Phil: I do want to see Wilson play a little bit.
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I'd like to see him out there a little bit.
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Clinton: you know, there's a whole season of Packers, games.
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W- he's, he's good Yeah,
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Phil: I know … he's,
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Clinton: he's Charbonnet, man.
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Like, I will keep, the moment we got him until now, I was like, "This guy
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is complete Charbonnet insurance."
57:56
And that is to say he's a perfectly respectable NFL running back who hits
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holes hard, sees, has good vision.
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He's just a good football player, man.
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I would not be shocked if we get to the end of the year and it's
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simply like he wa- he's been more valuable than his whatever $1.8
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million contract, says.
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But, but yeah, I'm with you.
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I, I think we'll see a little bit of Wilson.
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I would imagine we would.
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But Phil, do you have someone you're hoping to crush on,
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from a player perspective?
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Phil: I think I, the only one I can think of besides Lampy
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is Mason Richman, I guess.
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I, I wanna see Mason Richman- Come on, it can't
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Brandan: be a lineman.
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Clinton: Why not?
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Brandan: Nobody, nobody
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Clinton: falls in love with linemen.
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You, you don't tell m- You love
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Phil: Zabel
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Clinton: right?
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You don't,
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Phil: you don't- Zabel was the star of last preseason.
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Yeah, you
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Clinton: don't tell- You were crying about him … Mr.
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Phil how to crush here, Brandan.
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You're not a, you know, Judge Judy
58:43
Brandan: next to- Saying it's not a valid crush of crushing
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on a, a, a lineman anywhere.
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Phil: For me, it's usually a pass rusher, and we have five veteran dudes.
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Like, they, we're not gonna get to see anything cool.
58:53
Well- I mean, maybe Uso's gonna go out there or, and I mean,
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Clinton: Yeah, Uso could be interesting.
58:57
That depend, that knows.
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But I think the dude, we just mentioned pass rusher, but Jalen
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Gaines is at least interesting.
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Yeah, it could be Jalen Gaines.
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Phil: Okay.
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' Clinton: Cause- Maybe Jalen Gaines … just watching some speed off the edge.
59:06
And the reason, the reason that that particular, well, dude plus his
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position is interesting is because we have defensive ends that are older.
59:18
You know, this very well could be DeMarcus Lawrence's last year.
59:20
So it's actually a position where if we see a guy really shine in this
59:25
August, he might be really important come like next, next October.
59:29
So I'll go with Gaines.
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If we see a couple of sacks from Gaines around the, around the corner,
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maybe a little fumble sack, type thing, that'll get me fired up.
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Phil: Yeah, it's gonna be tough.
59:38
This team's, we're really good, so, it's gonna be hard to really get fired.
59:44
I'm talking about somebody, I'm excited 'cause they're gonna make a difference
59:46
this year, and whoever that fourth interior lineman, he's gonna play.
59:51
I would be stoked if Richman just locks people down.
59:55
I honestly would, because that is such an important aspect to our team humming
59:59
for when somebody does miss a few games.
1:00:02
Brandan: All right.
1:00:02
So, yeah, for me, it's Jones.
1:00:06
for Phil, it's Richman, and, you're taking the, the- I got
1:00:11
Georgia … freshman Jalin Gaines.
1:00:12
So- Yeah, I like the Gaines pick.
1:00:13
and, we have, let's see- Lampy.
1:00:17
Phil: Lampy's the backup.
1:00:18
Brandan: We, we…
1:00:18
Yeah, I, I am, I am interested in seeing Lampy.
1:00:20
Yokai Hawk in chat saying, who do we think we will see returning kicks?
1:00:24
Clinton: Hmm.
1:00:25
Brandan: Good question.
1:00:25
I think maybe a little bit of Horton to start.
1:00:28
Phil: Emanuel?
1:00:29
Clinton: You think so, huh?
1:00:30
Think they're gonna put him in position to take a hit like that?
1:00:33
Brandan: I think maybe to start.
1:00:34
Clinton: Okay.
1:00:35
Brandan: But,- Well, they did the…
1:00:36
Yeah, they did second … but I think depth guys, I, I
1:00:37
think it will be Velus Jones.
1:00:39
Yeah.
1:00:39
Phil: Not Henderson?
1:00:41
Brandan: I don't know about Henderson.
1:00:42
Clinton: Well, he did it in, at, was Kansas, right?
1:00:44
So he did it at school- Yeah … and he was at, at university, as
1:00:47
they say, and he had a couple of, take backs to the house.
1:00:50
So-
1:00:51
Phil: Bryce Cable do is gonna be returning kicks.
1:00:53
I mean, I don't know why-
1:00:54
Clinton: I love it.
1:00:54
I love it.
1:00:56
no, that, I would, I was gonna, I was gonna vote for Henderson to get a, get at
1:00:59
least one attempt or two, so we'll see.
1:01:02
Brandan: All right.
1:01:02
Well-
1:01:03
Phil: It better not be Rasheed, and it won't be.
1:01:05
No.
1:01:05
Clinton: It might not be that many attempts because, even with
1:01:08
our twos and threes, it's still the Seahawks defense, which is good.
1:01:12
Brandan: That's right.
1:01:13
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This has been a beautiful, slow snowball of massing good
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I am so ready to lock in Saturday.
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It, for me, it's my nighttime here out in Connecticut.
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Probably pop a beer, get my notebook ready, Brandan and
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Phil, because then we're gonna…
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You know, I plan on getting a three and three out ready for next week and
1:02:19
just rolling right into, you know, while it's the players' preseason,
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Brandan: All right.
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Well, if you're gonna do three and three out, hopefully no Cowboys
1:02:30
make your list- … of ins and outs.
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Clinton: How about if it's, like, Cowboys getting burnt?
1:02:34
Like Caleb, Caleb Downs not looking that great because- That is acceptable
1:02:37
… Phil: of- Mason Richman just-
1:02:39
Clinton: There we go … smacking
1:02:39
Phil: their defensive line.
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Clinton: There we go.
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Phil: And I think with that-
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Clinton: There's only one thing left to say.
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Phil: Go Hawks.
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Go Hawks.
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Phil: Go Hawks.