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The Kelly/Hopkinsville Goblins Incident · Apokryphunk

• 0:06
  Drew: Late in the night on Sunday, August 21, 1955, a farmhouse on a stretch of Old Madisonville Road, just north of Hopkinsville, Kentucky was the scene of an alleged event that terrified eight adults and three very young children who were staying there that night. Though skeptics have offered some explanations, the scary creatures and the object the witnesses encountered the night have never really been explained and remain unknown. This is the story of the Kelly Hopkinsville Goblins.
• 0:41
  Cindy: Hi. I'm Cindy. My skeptical nature prevents me from instantly believing that alien beings traveled from some far off planet in the universe and landed in a gully behind a farmhouse in rural America.
• 0:54
  Drew: I'm Drew, and I really hope they did. Either way, join my skeptical wife and me, the guy with Mulder's I want to believe poster hanging on his wall here, as we discuss the bizarre tale of the Kelly Hopkinsville incident on this far out episode of Apokryphunk. On that dark stretch of country road from Hopkinsville to Kelly, there are no street lights and no neighbors close enough to hear you scream. That night, the Sutton family and some visiting relatives who happened to be traveling carnival workers were gathered together in the house putting up with the late summer humidity and going about their evening. Just after seven, Billy Ray Taylor stepped outside to draw water from the well.
• 2:04
  Looking up, he saw what he later described as a circular silver object moving through the air and then dropping down and appearing to land in a gully not far behind the house. Billy ventured back to the house and told the others what he had seen. Then about an hour later, their dog started barking. Something was outside. Curious about what alerted the dog, two of the men opened the door to take a look outside.
• 2:31
  What they saw approaching from the darkness was not what they expected. Witnesses would later describe it as small, maybe three feet tall, with an oversized head, huge glowing eyes, and long arms that ended in claws. Its skin, they said, had a strange metallic sheen, almost silver in the moonlight. It moved less like it was walking and more like it was floating just above the ground. Armed with guns, the men opened fire, one with a shotgun, the other at 22.
• 3:02
  They hear metallic pings as if the creature is wearing some kind of metal. Apparently, struck by the shots, the creature tumbled backwards into the yard, then got to its feet and ran away. But there wasn't just one. For the next several hours, the family says these things kept appearing at windows, on the roof, peering in from the tree line, and no matter how many times the men shot at them, they'd simply vanish and reappear somewhere else, apparently unhurt. Around eleven PM
• 3:33
  there was enough of a lull in the activity that the family felt safe enough to venture out, so they hurried to their cars and drove to the Hopkinsville police station where they recounted their story. Officers returned with them to the farm, but there's nothing there. No tracks, no evidence of a prowler, no flying saucer, no creatures, nothing. Except for bullet holes in the screens and shell casings, there was nothing else to hint at what had just happened at that farmhouse. Newspapers ran the story the next day and days after.
• 4:06
  Though the police chief did admit he believed, quote, outer space travel is possible, he suspected what happened was just some imaginations that got carried away. To this day, nobody has ever offered an explanation that satisfies everyone. Was it a hoax, mass hysteria, a misidentified owl, as some have suggested, or did something else come down to that gully sixty years ago and pay the Sutton family a visit? Cindy, we begin our discussion of the Hopkinsville Goblins. I love the name, first of all, Hopkinsville Goblins.
• 4:50
  They call it now the Kelly Hopkinsville Incident. I'm not really sure where that started or when that started because I remember hearing this story a long time ago, and I recall it just being about the Hopkinsville Goblins. And I always thought that was such a spooky, you know, creepy title for that.
• 5:10
  Cindy: So Kelly came into it. Is that another town nearby or...?
• 5:12
  It's about eight or nine miles North of Hopkinsville and the farmhouse happened to be closer to Kelly than Hopkinsville, so they added that in there.
• 5:21
  Kelly had to get a little cred for the...
• 5:23
  Drew: Yeah, I guess that's what happened there. They had to, so it's now Kelly slash Hopkinsville incident, but I'm still... I'm sticking with the Goblins, which sounds awesome.
• 5:32
  Cindy: Yeah that's a great word.
• 5:33
  Drew: Yeah. Just sounds way cooler.
• 5:36
  Cindy: Interesting story.
• 5:37
  Drew: Yeah.
• 5:38
  Cindy: And how many people were in this house? They had relatives over something. Right?
• 5:43
  Drew: They had 11 people total. There was eight adults, three small children. I don't have names right with me here. We had Billy Ray Taylor, Elmer quote, Lucky Sutton, the mom, another couple, and yeah, I had, geez.
• 6:06
  Cindy: No, the thing I was curious about is coincidentally, some of these family that we're visiting were traveling carnival workers.
• 6:15
  Drew: Right.
• 6:16
  Cindy: I mean Right. You know?
• 6:18
  Drew: The Wikipedia article that I had looked at earlier
• 6:20
  Cindy: That that just adds a whole another little question or interesting twist to the story because you know those carnies, they can
• 6:31
  Drew: Spin a tail maybe?
• 6:32
  Cindy: Make everything interesting.
• 6:34
  Drew: Yeah. Yeah. Well, we can't, we can't shat talk the carnies.
• 6:43
  You gotta have carnival.
• 6:45
  Cindy: Just saying. We've met a few carnies in our time and and
• 6:50
  Drew: I was a carnie! You kidding me?
• 6:52
  Cindy: That's a whole other episode I suppose.
• 6:54
  Drew: Well, that doesn't take a whole episode, but no, I was. Had a, there was, where I grew up, they had the farm and horse show every year. And one year I happened to, I don't know how I did that, but I happened to get a job there. You know those big cans, like the big milk jugs, milk can things, and you gotta throw like the tennis ball into it? Yeah.
• 7:18
  To get a prize, or I guess you gotta get all three tennis balls into at least one or all three cans to get it, I forgot how the game goes now, but that's what I was doing. I was like, Hey, step right up and try your luck.
• 7:29
  Cindy: I thought you were maybe the pixie dust sprinkler or something
• 7:33
  On the Tilt-a-Whirl.
• 7:34
  Drew: Yeah, very funny.
• 7:35
  Cindy: All right, we digress.
• 7:37
  Drew: At least my dad would have been proud of me.
• 7:39
  Cindy: That's all that matters.
• 7:40
  Drew: Okay, so I was looking for names. I still didn't find the names of the people.
• 7:48
  Cindy: Some of the names were in the newspaper article I think, but not everybody.
• 7:54
  Drew: Yeah. I don't know. I I... You know what? I didn't even...
• 7:58
  It was [chuckles]
• 8:00
  Cindy: Right. I was just I was just asking because I thought it was curious that the carnival relatives were over that night.
• 8:06
  Drew: As I type here. Okay, we have the names. The main adult witnesses at the Sutton farmhouse that night were Elmer Lucky Sutton. He was the head of the household and he fired at the creatures, one of the guys in the story there. Vera Glennie Langford was Sutton's mother Aileen Sutton, Elmer's wife Billy Ray Taylor, who first spotted the, what he said was a flying saucer landing there and his wife, June Taylor, there.
• 8:41
  Lonnie Langford, apparently a child pushed under a bed during the sighting. So that was Lonnie. And there were two children present and another couple, I believe.
• 8:52
  Cindy: So what are the primary theories here in terms of
• 8:55
  Drew: Well, first of all, the primary theories, if you look at the Wikipedia article are meteors and owls. Okay. Meteors and owls, meteors and owls.
• 9:10
  Cindy: That's it.
• 9:11
  Drew: Let me just bring up a couple other cases where we have meteors and owls. Mothman sightings, Point Pleasant, West Virginia. Some of the common explanations for Mothman were an owl as well as a, a crane. The Flatwoods monster sighting in West Virginia, they also said that the kids saw a meteor and an owl. Look at that poster and tell me that's an owl.
• 9:38
  Right. Now they're saying some of the behavior described by the guys who witnessed these things is consistent with the behavior of an owl. They tend to... When... If something...
• 9:51
  Like, say, you throw a stick at them, they'll tend to, like, roll back. They roll, react, and then they get up and they maybe fly off somewhere else. Also, the silent movement of these, quote unquote, goblins that they saw. They said they seem to drift down from the trees and even float above the ground. Owls have very fine feathers at the ends of their wings.
• 10:14
  You don't hear them flap. It's almost a perfectly silent flight when they go by at night or something like that. So that's what the major explanations are. They saw owls and they're saying maybe some parents training their young on how to, you know, catch prey or whatever. I don't know, I guess they do this and use people as prey, you know.
• 10:36
  Cindy: Okay, this is interesting because I
• 10:37
  Drew: Why would they be right around these people's farmhouse?
• 10:40
  Cindy: Exactly, live in an isolated area and we wish to see owls. They just don't come to you.
• 10:46
  Drew: Right, we hear them all the time.
• 10:47
  Cindy: Right.
• 10:47
  Drew: Our neighbor sees them in the trees behind his house. Right. But they're not coming up They're
• 10:51
  Cindy: coming up to your house.
• 10:53
  Drew: Well, don't... I mean, I've never... You know, it's never happened to us.
• 10:58
  Cindy: It could. I mean, we don't wanna discount it.
• 11:00
  Drew: But they're shooting at them and they're coming back and peeking in the windows.
• 11:04
  Cindy: That part doesn't make sense.
• 11:06
  Drew: What owl is gonna come peeking? I just think, What? What owl... Now you're supposed to be skeptic now. What's going on here?
• 11:13
  Am I convincing you that this is real?
• 11:14
  Cindy: No. I'm saying that an owl would not do that
• 11:17
  Okay.
• 11:18
  That's what I'm saying. This owl theory to me, any any animal that I can think of in in the woods, they all have similar reactions to to fear or to threat, they're going to leave, most likely.
• 11:37
  Drew: Unless they feel threatened and they're gonna attack you because they... What if there's young there or their
• 11:41
  Cindy: nesting It'd be different, but that's that's typically where you're stumbling on or seeking out an area where they have those things they're trying to protect. This was different. The owl were presumably coming back and keep coming back to this farmhouse. To me that doesn't make sense.
• 11:58
  Drew: Right. Now what if the owls had a nest on the roof in some overhang eve or something on the, like a double roof area on a roofline. Maybe there was a nest there and and these... And they were... But you'd think the the family would know that already.
• 12:16
  Cindy: Well, you never know.
• 12:17
  Drew: It's not gonna be a surprise if you have an owl up by your house.
• 12:19
  Cindy: I mean, I think we we could we could throw that out there as a potential, but the chances of that I think are slim because owls typically are going to have their nest in the woods in an area that's clearly away from people.
• 12:32
  Drew: So we're in agreement that these aren't owls then. Apokryphunk is turning this whole investigation on its head.
• 12:40
  Cindy: I don't think they were owls.
• 12:43
  Drew: We'll talk a little bit more about the Goblins. The other one was the shooting stars. Everybody who sees a UFO, it's a shooting star. I mean, a shooting star, someone's not gonna think that's a UFO or a flying saucer. He said it was like a silvery disc that came down and hovered down and landed behind the house there.
• 13:07
  How does a meteor look like that?
• 13:09
  Cindy: It
• 13:09
  Drew: doesn't. They don't come along and then hover and drop.
• 13:12
  Cindy: It doesn't.
• 13:13
  Drew: It's like a couple seconds and it's gone. Now there was, I checked, there was a meteor shower that had pretty much ended about a week before the sighting. So a meteor shower had happened and you can have some more meteor activity happen within a few days before and after meteors would not
• 13:35
  Cindy: hover, stop and hover.
• 13:36
  Drew: Well, right.
• 13:37
  Cindy: That doesn't...
• 13:38
  Drew: I don't know that he said actually hover, but they mentioned... It was mentioned at a couple of spots where I read that it hovered down. Maybe he did say hovered down. So what are we talking about then? I mean...
• 13:49
  Cindy: I thought I read somewhere that somebody speculated that it could have been a monkey.
• 13:58
  Drew: Okay.
• 13:59
  Cindy: And as soon as I saw carnival relatives. And then I saw
• 14:04
  I thought, somebody's playing a joke. They let the monkey loose.
• 14:10
  Drew: One of the carnies brought a monkey back from the... Right. Well, there was a carnival in Paris, Kentucky in August 1955. They might've been working up there and drove by. It was about three hours, I think, from Hopkinsville area.
• 14:27
  So, and now here's another thing. The description of the creatures said they had big eyes set about six inches apart. Talk about stereoscopic vision. But the other thing is they said they didn't have a nose and they had a straight mouth. If you look at the drawing that's in the actual original newspaper article, it looks like a Christmas elf that you're going to hang off your tree.
• 14:53
  Cindy: I see it.
• 14:54
  Drew: But it does have a nose there, and it does have two kind of black eyebrows and a black line down the middle. See that?
• 15:00
  Cindy: Yes.
• 15:01
  Drew: You look at a great horned owl and you see that exact
• 15:04
  Cindy: Yeah, some of those distinct features in the head. Right.
• 15:08
  Drew: Yep. But another description I read said there was no nose. Now, if there's no nose, how could it be an owl? An owl has a beak. You're going to see something right in the middle of its face, you know, and an owl's eyes aren't six inches apart.
• 15:23
  I still wonder how you'd have a head with eyes six inches apart on a body that's only three feet tall.
• 15:29
  Cindy: Right.
• 15:29
  Drew: I mean, that's gonna be a pretty big head.
• 15:31
  Cindy: For for me, the focus on this one is not so much the lights that we're seeing because dark sky, farmhouse, rural area, meteor shower in the area recently. There could have been a light. There could have been more than one light. I I To
• 15:46
  Drew: me is like
• 15:48
  Cindy: To me, I kinda dismissed that because maybe there was a light that... Maybe there was. I I I don't think that's the focus here. The the thing that's very curious is supposedly, there are these little three feet tall beings Right. That keep coming back to the house over and over and over again.
• 16:05
  Mhmm. What are these things? It's not like they saw them once. They saw them many times.
• 16:11
  Drew: They came to the door. Right. One stepped up to the doorway and the lady said that she saw it look in the window.
• 16:19
  Cindy: Right. And Al's not going to do that.
• 16:21
  Drew: I wouldn't think an Al's gonna come look in your window. A raccoon would. In fact, we had one That's a couple weeks ago coming up on our a different story. Happens, yeah.
• 16:33
  Cindy: Could it have been a different animal looking for food?
• 16:36
  Drew: You see, and he said a silver disc. We're bouncing around a little bit here, but I think this saucer thing was happening back in this time, not even ten years before, was that Kenneth Arnold sighting, the Roswell thing in 1947,
• 16:57
  Cindy: right? There were seeds being planted.
• 16:59
  Drew: There were movies out. The seeds were planted. People were seeing these things all over the place, but I still don't think you're gonna call a meteor a silver disc that lands in your yard.
• 17:12
  Cindy: So you are skeptical too.
• 17:13
  Drew: No, I'm not skeptical. Okay. I'm not saying it's a meteor. What I'm saying is there are flaps, there can be hype and things like that, and people are more attuned to it. Maybe they're looking up more and they see it.
• 17:27
  Maybe it's something that's going on.
• 17:30
  Cindy: So what do you think this is?
• 17:32
  Drew: I have no idea, but I don't... I personally don't think it's owls or a meteor and a meteor. I think these people saw something, got freaked out by it, and I don't think it can be explained. And you know, that's part of the fun of it because why explain folklore? It's like, it's a legend now.
• 17:54
  It's a story. And I think-
• 17:56
  Cindy: Who would want to ruin that?
• 17:57
  Drew: Why would you want to ruin an awesome story by having to say, Oh, it was just owls. You know, my goal here isn't to solve these things, just to talk about them. I love the stories, And as you saw earlier, I get excited when we're about to talk about this stuff, but I'm not gonna try to explain it. I don't know what they saw.
• 18:19
  Cindy: Think it was a monkey.
• 18:20
  Drew: You think it was a monkey? So where... How did the monkey get there? Some... Someone brought it and they were hoaxing?
• 18:26
  Cindy: I think it could have been. One of the carnival relatives brought the monkey, knew that this monkey was a social monkey.
• 18:34
  Drew: Yeah. But they shot at him. They shot at this thing, these things
• 18:38
  Okay.
• 18:39
  And there was more than one. So if this carnie brought a monkey to pull a fast one on his friends, he would have been going, oh, hey. Don't shoot there.
• 18:47
  Cindy: You know? And then there would have been a dead monkey in the yard.
• 18:49
  Drew: That's exactly it. I have my notes here. No dead owls. Right. So you're gonna tell me, you shoot a shotgun.
• 18:57
  You know what that does? It sprays the it sprays the shot.
• 19:00
  Cindy: BBs everywhere.
• 19:01
  Drew: It sprays the shot out, making it easier to target something or hit something, And there's no dead owl. There's no owl body laying Something's there and please get
• 19:13
  Cindy: a little amiss there.
• 19:14
  Drew: They're shooting at it with point two two is fine. You could miss, but a shotgun?
• 19:18
  Cindy: Right.
• 19:19
  Drew: You're gonna miss that bad with a shotgun that does not even gonna be an an owl dead there? When the cops come back, they hit nothing?
• 19:27
  Cindy: I'm just And
• 19:27
  Drew: they're hearing planks.
• 19:28
  Cindy: I'm having a tough time with this one.
• 19:30
  Drew: The explanation for the planks was that they were shooting at it and it was bouncing off the roof of the house. They're shooting out the front door. How's it bouncing off the roof of the house?
• 19:40
  Cindy: That makes no sense.
• 19:41
  Drew: Did they turn around and shoot back at the house? Well, that's not really safe if you have family in the house. No. So I don't know. Now here's some interesting stuff here.
• 19:51
  We have, there were officials, police, who reported unusual atmospheric and auditory anomalies that night When the family flooded into the Hopkinsville police station just past 11PM, chief police Russell Greenwell noted they were genuinely panic stricken. He immediately mobilized a massive joint response, and the farm was searched by up to 20 officials, including Kentucky state police troopers, Christian County sheriff's deputies, and Hopkinsville police, and four military police officers from nearby Fort Campbell. So they all went out there and looked around. They found plenty of physical evidence of a frantic battle, but they found no bodies, blood, or footprints. But where's the dead owls if it's owls?
• 20:46
  And how are these guys shooting at their roof, the tin roof of their farmhouse?
• 20:51
  Cindy: Well, we have to accept perhaps that parts of the recollection were off. Maybe the hearing of the bullets hitting something metal or that blinking or whatever they said the sound was, maybe that wasn't entirely true. Maybe they said they heard it. Maybe they thought they heard it, but maybe they didn't really hear it. Yeah.
• 21:17
  So there could be bits of this that are
• 21:20
  Drew: Like if you're shooting a rifle
• 21:21
  Cindy: More accurate than others in terms of.
• 21:23
  Drew: Maybe you're hearing the ricochet, not the ricochet or the sound of the rifle bouncing off someone in the house. Another strange thing is unusual radio static interference reported by the police. Cruisers parked at the scene, as well as dispatchers back at the station reported unusual severe static and radio interference on their communication frequencies while operating near the Kelly area.
• 21:50
  Cindy: When? That night?
• 21:51
  Drew: In 1955, police radios relied on low frequency line of sight bands, sudden heavy blanket static disrupts standard communications, typically points to a localized source of intense electromagnetic or atmospheric interference. So yeah, that night they were experiencing that interference on their radios. At least that's what I found in some of my research here. Responding officers also said they reported hearing unusual unexplained noises in the distance that night. They didn't describe these sounds as standard aircraft or animals, but rather as strange droning hums or localized acoustic anomalies that felt out of place for a quiet rural Kentucky evening.
• 22:36
  So, I mean, this is some other stuff that kind of, you know, well, lends to the spookiness of it. But I mean
• 22:43
  Cindy: Which you love.
• 22:44
  Drew: Of course.
• 22:45
  Cindy: And this one article... So this is from one of the original newspaper articles where the Air Force commented
• 22:52
  Drew: Okay.
• 22:52
  Cindy: On the incident. Captain Robert White, Air Force flying saucer expert, that's a title Mhmm. Said in Washington DC today that several reports similar to the Hopkinsville flying saucer and little men have been received since the Air Force started investigating flying saucer incidents several years ago. So that goes along with your comment earlier where this was a point in time where the seed was kind of planted and people were were being exposed to the potential of the little green men and the flying saucers.
• 23:26
  Drew: Right.
• 23:26
  Cindy: And it was things they were seeing, you know, and on TV or marketing or just little bits here and there that were just enough maybe to let their imagination go.
• 23:40
  Drew: Yeah, mean, were movies, there was even in the fifties, there was television and there were some television series that were sci fi kind of based shows. You know, I totally just found those notes by random, just opening up my notes here, the whole thing about the interference and that. You know, we live in rural America. We need to hang outside more. We need to look outside more because-
• 24:09
  Cindy: You never know.
• 24:10
  Drew: I mean, I just love a spooky night. What percentage would you give this at being like something that's actually truly something happened or it's something that can be explained with either owls or I don't think monkeys.
• 24:28
  Cindy: Based on how it's described with the reporting about the flying saucer hovering the little three feet tall creatures, and then they kept coming back and shooting at them. And everything combined to me is just too far out there. No pun intended. It just doesn't it doesn't work. I can't imagine any animals, owls that would keep coming back, that then there's no evidence afterwards.
• 25:01
  Nothing got shot. There was nothing in the yard. I mean, I guess they could have gotten away, but why keep coming back? Animals don't do that. It doesn't make sense.
• 25:10
  This one, I give a low percentage of it being an actual tale the way it was told.
• 25:18
  Drew: But you think... So you think there's an explanation for it. It's not aliens.
• 25:22
  Cindy: Unfortunately, I think the explanation is somebody has a very active imagination, but that's my take.
• 25:30
  Drew: Project Blue Book is listed as a hoax. And, you know, your regular skeptical investigators, you know, say it's owls that the behavior described by these guys is similar or at least consistent with the behavior of great horned owls. And you know what? If you look at an owl, if you can just Google aggressive great horned owl, you're gonna see pictures of an owl and you're gonna go, holy crap. It looks creepy as hell.
• 26:07
  If I saw that at night, it would scare the hell out of me even if I knew what it was. Did did you Google it? You should Google right now.
• 26:14
  Cindy: Great horned owl.
• 26:15
  Drew: Aggressive great horned owl. That's exactly what I Googled earlier.
• 26:20
  Cindy: Yeah. Wow. Okay.
• 26:23
  Drew: Isn't that freaky looking?
• 26:24
  Cindy: That's a little scary. Yeah. I could see that.
• 26:27
  Drew: So if it's dark around, do... And they're they're like illuminated just a little bit and you see that those big wings up arched over there.
• 26:33
  Cindy: And then your imagination fills in the rest.
• 26:35
  Drew: They're kinda arched behind their head.
• 26:36
  Cindy: Yes.
• 26:36
  Drew: You know? If you look at the, the original Mothman sketch
• 26:41
  Cindy: With the big wings.
• 26:42
  Drew: It's exactly what it looks like. But this, I don't know the drawing of the goblin here. Now I'm not saying what they saw were goblins. I don't know. I don't know what they saw, but I'm saying that drawing there does not at all resemble an owl to me.
• 27:00
  No, it doesn't. The sketch that they based on their description, but maybe the artist was just, you know, embellishing a little bit there and making it a little more fanciful and sci fi to go I with the mean, it's gotta be in the newspaper.
• 27:13
  Cindy: He had the pencil in hand, why not?
• 27:14
  Drew: It's gonna be in the newspaper.
• 27:15
  Cindy: And his name's gonna be associated with it. Sure. He's part of the fun now.
• 27:19
  Drew: So, you know, like I said, when we first started talking about this, the Hopkinsville Goblins is just the coolest name.
• 27:26
  Cindy: I just want to go.
• 27:27
  Drew: I know. They do have a thing every year, think.
• 27:30
  Cindy: Festival.
• 27:31
  Drew: They have a Hopkinsville festival.
• 27:34
  Cindy: And that would be a site. I wonder what they do.
• 27:37
  Drew: Oh, the GoblinCon. That's exactly what it's called. There's goblinconky.com. Hopkinsville, Kentucky. GoblinCon UFO and Paranormal Expos, a two day exposition celebrating the anniversary of Kelly Hopkinsville Goblin and Goblin, Goblin?
• 27:53
  They're saying one there. Anniversary of the Kelly Hopkinsville Goblin and All Things Paranormal, featuring over 60 vendors and interactive exhibits, engaging talks from renowned speakers, participate in educational workshops, enjoy captivating panels covering paranormal topics from aliens to ghosts to Bigfoot. They did not pay for this announcement and they are not sponsoring this episode. I simply went to their website and read that for your information. So if anyone's living near Kentucky and you haven't heard about this yet, go check it out.
• 28:24
  Maybe you want to go venture over there. Yeah, go to GoblinCon, goblinconky.com, and you'll learn about the GoblinCon. They do a festival, GoblinCon Expo every year. So that's something we should actually look into going to in the future.
• 28:44
  Cindy: That would be a hoot.
• 28:45
  Drew: That would be, oh, very
• 28:47
  Cindy: good. Very
• 28:49
  Drew: good. So you're given this 0% of
• 28:53
  Cindy: being No, nothing's ever a zero.
• 28:57
  Drew: That's the way I feel
• 28:59
  Cindy: about it. I mean, nothing's a zero because I don't have, I don't know everything. There are always things that can be.
• 29:06
  Drew: That's precisely it.
• 29:07
  Cindy: Even though I am skeptical, don't claim to know everything.
• 29:11
  Drew: Now being of active imagination that I am.
• 29:16
  Cindy: That's putting it mildly.
• 29:18
  Drew: What if in the future some beings have figured out time travel? I'm not saying UFOs are coming from other planets, but maybe from the future something has figured this out and has come back to some periods of time. I mean, I don't know. It's I'm just
• 29:36
  Cindy: a fun thing to think about.
• 29:37
  Drew: It's an awesome thing to think about. It's cool to imagine that possibility that we don't know everything. Well, we don't know everything. That's the first thing. That's kind of the little truth that I hold onto
• 29:53
  Cindy: that supports me. Supports that glimmer in your eye.
• 29:56
  Drew: Supports my imagination that, you know, I wasn't there. I didn't see what these people saw. Maybe they saw something. They're not just, I mean, if you just say, oh, it was owls and meteor. Oh, so they're just dumb rural folk who don't know what they're looking at.
• 30:13
  Cindy: I don't think that's fair.
• 30:14
  Drew: What I'm saying is I do think there could be something else, another explanation that's not earthly. I'm not saying it's Do you? I'm not saying it's spiritual. I'm saying we don't know enough to say that time travel isn't possible and something's coming back and checking us out. You know, that kind of could be an explanation for some of these sightings that people are seeing in my mind.
• 30:40
  So I'm given this thing on zero to a 100% of being a real event
• 30:47
  Cindy: As they've described it.
• 30:48
  Drew: As... But they saw something unearthly and a saucer land
• 30:54
  Cindy: or
• 30:55
  Drew: some craft land.
• 30:57
  Cindy: What's your percent?
• 30:58
  Drew: I'm giving it... I'll give it a 60%. Wow. They saw something other than
• 31:05
  Cindy: an hour. I'm giving it a You're
• 31:07
  Drew: getting it five. A 5%. Boy, that's pretty bad.
• 31:09
  Cindy: Well, this one to me is just, it's a stretch.
• 31:13
  Drew: Maybe I should do 50% because that's better than saying 60, right?
• 31:17
  Cindy: No. Think you
• 31:18
  Drew: should commit myself. I think
• 31:19
  Cindy: you should commit to what you said.
• 31:20
  Drew: I kinda commit myself at 60.
• 31:21
  Cindy: Your gut told you 60, so that's what it is. 60 stands.
• 31:26
  Drew: You got witnesses that were there who saw something.
• 31:28
  Cindy: True.
• 31:29
  Drew: They told the police exactly what they saw. They all had the same story.
• 31:32
  Cindy: Yep.
• 31:33
  Drew: And they get back and there's nothing there. That doesn't mean there wasn't something there. True. I think if they were shooting willy nilly like they were in a quote unquote battle, as it was described in the newspaper, that you'd have a dead owl or two out there.
• 31:51
  Cindy: Or monkey.
• 31:52
  Drew: What did the owl... Did the other owls just gather them up and whisk them away? No. You know, to the nest or somewhere?
• 32:01
  Cindy: So 5%.
• 32:02
  Drew: You're good at 5%. I'm giving it 60%. Okay. Listeners, what do you think? Do you think the Sutton family were essentially invaded or otherwise beset upon by alien beings or some other unknown creatures, or is this just a tale of all 11 people misidentifying great horned owls and thinking a meteor, your everyday shooting star, was a metallic spaceship landing somewhere behind the house?
• 32:30
  Send your thoughts and comments to share. That's S H A R E apocryphunk dot com. You can find that email address also at apocryphunk dot com. Feel free to share suggestions for future discussions or other comments about the paranormal. Maybe you've had your own strange encounter, paranormal or supernatural experience.
• 32:55
  Whatever the case, we'd love to hear from you. Cindy, thank you.
• 32:59
  Cindy: Thank you.
• 33:00
  Drew: Listeners, thank you for joining us, and we'll see you on the next episode of Apokryphunk.