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UK Column News - 16th May 2025 · UK Column Radio

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  Speaker 1: Good afternoon. It's Friday in the sixteenth and May twenty
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  Speaker 1: twenty five, just after one o'clock. Welcome to UK Colin News.
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  Speaker 1: I'm your host Mike Rumson. Joining me in the studio
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  Speaker 1: today is Patrick Hennison. Welcome to program. Patrick, great to
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  Speaker 1: be with you, Mike, and by video link we have
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  Speaker 1: Mark Anderson. Now we're going to start today with very briefly,
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  Speaker 1: the Assisted Dying Bill, which is back in the House
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  Speaker 1: of Commons being led by Kim Ledbetter. Let's bring her
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  Speaker 1: on screen and well, the question is is the Assisted
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  Speaker 1: Dying Bill in the process of being euthanized itself. She's
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  Speaker 1: busy trying to keep it alive. The bill passed, of course,
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  Speaker 1: as everybody knows, past the first stage of the Commons
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  Speaker 1: last November. But as we've been reporting here in UK
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  Speaker 1: Colin News, the fact that the committee stage was packed
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  Speaker 1: with pro euthanasia MPs was not lost on many, and
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  Speaker 1: the job done by Danny Kruger in particular to highlight
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  Speaker 1: the issues has resulted in of the five hundred debated amendments,
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  Speaker 1: one hundred and thirty to be debated now that it's
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  Speaker 1: back in the House of Commons today, Now I most
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  Speaker 1: see this as an assistant dying bill, which is dying
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  Speaker 1: to be assisted to a quick and pinless end. But ironically,
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  Speaker 1: as things stand, it only needs twenty its supporters to
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  Speaker 1: change their minds and become nowsayers to kill the bill completely.
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  Speaker 1: There's basically no chance of the bill passing today, and
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  Speaker 1: if it's not killed quickly, it will return again in
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  Speaker 1: June for another go. But absolute desperation on their part
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  Speaker 1: to keep this thing going.
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  Speaker 2: Mike gets like the mold in the bathroom. It's just
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  Speaker 2: you can't get rid of it.
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  Speaker 1: It just keeps coming back.
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  Speaker 2: I have to change the silicon. Mike. How's this bill
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  Speaker 2: any materially different than the Canadian version because a lot
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  Speaker 2: of the criticisms of the Canadian version is it left
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  Speaker 2: a wide birth of people eligible for this type of thing.
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  Speaker 1: Well, and the main concern is that people are going
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  Speaker 1: to be coerced into it, whether that be through draconian
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  Speaker 1: you know, inheritance tax regulations, or through people that are
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  Speaker 1: too much of a burden on the state or too
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  Speaker 1: much of a burden on their families and so on
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  Speaker 1: being coerced into it. What we know, this issue of
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  Speaker 1: assisted dying has been one that we've been covering since
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  Speaker 1: twenty fourteen or something, and it's clear that as it's
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  Speaker 1: been rolled out in other countries, it has become exactly
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  Speaker 1: what we said it would, a slippery slope, and things
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  Speaker 1: become more and more Toraconian as time goes on. Canada,
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  Speaker 1: what's going on in Canada, what's going on in the
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  Speaker 1: Netherlands and other places, really should be the only precedent
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  Speaker 1: that anybody needs.
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  Speaker 2: Just quickly. Might The most horrifying thing about this is
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  Speaker 2: how they're convoluting the argument with economics with the individual
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  Speaker 2: or you're having hard time, austerity policies getting you down,
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  Speaker 2: not making ends meet? Well, what about this option? Right?
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  Speaker 2: That is perhaps the most scary part of how some
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  Speaker 2: people are selling this.
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  Speaker 1: So hopefully this is dead for and I at least,
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  Speaker 1: and the process will have to begin again at the beginning.
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  Speaker 1: But let's move on to international issues, Patrick, And of
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  Speaker 1: course the big news internationally has been the US Saudi meetings.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well this is the big historic summit, Mike in
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  Speaker 2: the Middle East. Here, the US Saudi Investment Forum, and
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  Speaker 2: they're calling them power talks. Here Donald Trump, of course,
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  Speaker 2: the keynote speaker, the big anticipated address. This is meant
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  Speaker 2: to be really the piece to the resistance of Donald
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  Speaker 2: Trump's Middle East policy. There's a lot of plates in
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  Speaker 2: the air, as you can imagine, between Israel, Gaza, the
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  Speaker 2: Iran nuclear deal, Yemen, just to name a few, not
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  Speaker 2: to mention courting these golf states, Mike, But let's get
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  Speaker 2: into it. And here's here's the keynote speech by Trump.
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  Speaker 2: We'll look at a couple of clips at this, but
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  Speaker 2: we'll comment on it, but we'll look at this one first.
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  Speaker 1: Go ahead, our eyes.
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  Speaker 3: A new generation of leaders is transcending the ancient conflicts
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  Speaker 3: of tired divisions of the past and forging a future
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  Speaker 3: where the Middle East is defined by commerce not chaos,
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  Speaker 3: where it exports technology not terrorism, and where people of
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  Speaker 3: different nations, religions, and creeds are building cities together, not
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  Speaker 3: bombing each other out of existence. We don't want that.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, where do we start here? Is it not
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  Speaker 2: the United States and Trump that just got done with
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  Speaker 2: a seven week bombing campaign against Saudi's neighbor to the south, Yemen.
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  Speaker 2: That was the US, wasn't it, And.
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  Speaker 1: Of course all the way supporting Israel with their bombing
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  Speaker 1: people out of existence in a certain part of the.
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  Speaker 2: World bombing Yemen, are bombing Lebanon, and the bombing Gaza,
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  Speaker 2: wilse of the bombing Syria as well. Israel's busy bombing people.
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  Speaker 2: So this idea that Arabs are bombing each other out
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  Speaker 2: of existence is a patent lie by Donald Trump. It's
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  Speaker 2: hard to know what he's talking about most of the
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  Speaker 2: time because he doesn't put specifics in his speech, so
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  Speaker 2: you're left to interpret it. But it's clearly he's meaning
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  Speaker 2: Arab on Arab violence there, and it's just kind of ridiculous.
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  Speaker 2: And by the way, isn't it the US that armed
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  Speaker 2: Saudi to bomb Yemen for seven straight years from twenty
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  Speaker 2: fifteen until twenty twenty two. I think that was the US.
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  Speaker 2: I think that was the US. So anyway, here's the
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  Speaker 2: next one.
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  Speaker 4: Look at this instead, The birth of a modern Middle
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  Speaker 4: East has been brought by the people of the region themselves,
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  Speaker 4: the people that are right here, the people that have
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  Speaker 4: lived here all their lives, developing your own sovereign countries,
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  Speaker 4: pursuing your own unique visions and charting your own destinies
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  Speaker 4: in your own way.
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  Speaker 3: It's really incredible what you've done. In the end, the
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  Speaker 3: so called nation builders wrecked far more nations than they built,
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  Speaker 3: and the interventionalists were intervening in complex societies that they
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  Speaker 3: did not even understand themselves. They told you how to
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  Speaker 3: do it, but they had no idea how to do
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  Speaker 3: it themselves.
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  Speaker 2: So he was singing the praise of the Gulf State, Smike,
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  Speaker 2: and how they have these tall, shiny buildings, beautiful development projects.
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  Speaker 2: The point is only the Gulf States have been allowed
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  Speaker 2: to develop in the region. Everybody else has either been
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  Speaker 2: saddled under IMF debt or has been bombed by the
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  Speaker 2: US or Israel, or under sanctions. So he had to
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  Speaker 2: go at Iran saying Iran hasn't built any of these
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  Speaker 2: beautiful buildings. Well, hasn't Iran been under maximum pressure sanctions
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  Speaker 2: for twenty years for what we don't know? Yes, they
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  Speaker 2: have been so again in Syria under sanctions for fourteen
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  Speaker 2: plus years. That's country has completely imploded as a result,
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  Speaker 2: leading to the regime change in December. But there's no
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  Speaker 2: context in any of these speeches. That's just it's more performative,
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  Speaker 2: and that's one of the things that unfortunately Trump doesn't
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  Speaker 2: really deliver much as in terms of substance. But the
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  Speaker 2: big question, Mike, the big question before this summer, it
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  Speaker 2: was Julani was going to be there, the self appointed
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  Speaker 2: president of Syria. His new name is Ahmed al Sharar,
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  Speaker 2: They've changed his name. He's Saudi born. He appointed himself
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  Speaker 2: to president of Syria. He is the founder of al
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  Speaker 2: Qaeda in Syria and the deputy of al Bagdaddy at Isis.
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  Speaker 2: During that time, anyway, was Trump going to shake hands
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  Speaker 2: with him? Mike? Is he going to endorse this terrorist? Well,
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  Speaker 2: let's take a look. Yes, it actually happened. Here Trump
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  Speaker 2: endorses series al Qaeda terrorist leader al Jelani right there
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  Speaker 2: next to MBS. To me, this is one of the
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  Speaker 2: most regrettable photo ops in American history. I will go
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  Speaker 2: so far as to say it's it's even more cringe
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  Speaker 2: than anything as a Lenski has done in terms of
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  Speaker 2: historical significance. Here and there's Trump shaking hands with the
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  Speaker 2: al Qaeda founder, the leader, this the head chopper, basically
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  Speaker 2: who just a few well just a few weeks ago, Mike,
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  Speaker 2: this was on the United States Department of Justice notifications
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  Speaker 2: stop this terrorist. Ten million dollar bounty on the head
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  Speaker 2: of al Jelani has been removed yet, I think it
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  Speaker 2: has in the US only seven a few weeks ago.
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  Speaker 2: So what happened? Did he have a Damascene conversion on
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  Speaker 2: the way like Saul of Tarsus on the way to Damascus?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, what, how do you not become the head
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  Speaker 2: of ISIS and al Qaeda all of this sudden. It's
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  Speaker 2: it's mind boggling, Mike, and anyway, I'm kind of speechless.
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  Speaker 2: I'm speechless, but it gets worse. He was then asked
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  Speaker 2: on a by on oppressor on the Air Force one
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  Speaker 2: what he thought about this Jolani who is currently while
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  Speaker 2: they're shaking hands, Mike, running programs slaughtering Allo Whites and
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  Speaker 2: Christians in Syria this week? His gang of terrorists hts. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: here's what Trump had to say.
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  Speaker 4: You find a Syrian.
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  Speaker 5: President right right?
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  Speaker 3: I think very good, young, attractive, yuy, tough guy, you know,
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  Speaker 3: a strong past, very strong pass fighter everybody.
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  Speaker 4: He's got it.
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  Speaker 1: He's got a real shot. And what they get together
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  Speaker 1: as welcome with President.
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  Speaker 2: Marijuana, who am very friendly.
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  Speaker 1: Why did he feels he's got a shot and.
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  Speaker 6: It's a it's ajorna got you?
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  Speaker 7: Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: Sorry? Did I hear him say a young attractive guy,
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  Speaker 1: a tough.
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  Speaker 2: Guy, Yeah, a young, attractive a strong past, said Trump,
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  Speaker 2: strong past as a oneted terrorist. Okay, I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I think listen, it's a real slap in the face
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  Speaker 2: to any US servicemen who were pushed to the frontline
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  Speaker 2: of this war on terror that the US, Britain and
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  Speaker 2: all these countries were forced to fight by the establishment
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  Speaker 2: all of these years. And Trump is basically saying, what
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  Speaker 2: a wonderful, good looking, attractive with a strong past. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: it's does Donald Trump know what he's saying? Or is
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  Speaker 2: he completely vacuous? Is he totally clueless to any of this?
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  Speaker 2: Are his advisors clueless? Or is this just the height
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  Speaker 2: of corruption. It's really hard to tell sometimes with Trump,
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  Speaker 2: and I think he purposely makes it ambiguous. But let's
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  Speaker 2: just remind people here up on screen, this is Jake Sullivan,
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  Speaker 2: former National Security advisor, and he's saying quite clearly in
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  Speaker 2: this email in twenty twelve, al Qaeda is on our side.
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  Speaker 2: Al Qaeda is on our side. And here is James Jeffrey.
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  Speaker 2: This was Trump's point man in Syria right here in
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  Speaker 2: Trump's first term. James Jeffrey basically Algierlanni's organization was an
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  Speaker 2: asset to America's strategy in Idlib. Okay, So, really, Mike,
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  Speaker 2: what Donald Trump has just done this week? He has
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  Speaker 2: completed the life's work of these two people. Will put
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  Speaker 2: up on screen. Hillary Clinton and John McCain spent their
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  Speaker 2: whole career trying to legitimize al Qaeda in ISIS, and
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  Speaker 2: Trump has done it this week. He has completed the
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  Speaker 2: job of Hillary Clinton and John McCain by platforming al
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  Speaker 2: Qaeda and ISIS and having the United States government endorse
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  Speaker 2: these some of the worst people on the planet.
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  Speaker 1: Are they going to come out and admit to how
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  Speaker 1: much money and military assistance have been giving them for
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  Speaker 1: the years.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, that's going to be nicely swept under the rug. Now,
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  Speaker 2: let's just let bygones be bygones. He's a reformed man.
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  Speaker 2: He shoots baskets on YouTube. Jilani the terrorists here. So
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  Speaker 2: here's a few problems, though, we have a problem with
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  Speaker 2: Marco Rubio. Bring this up on screen. This was just
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  Speaker 2: on March ninth. Rubio said Syria must be held accountable
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  Speaker 2: for the perpetrators of massacres. He's talking about the massacres
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  Speaker 2: which recovered on previous programs on the UK column of
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  Speaker 2: the massacres of religious minorities and ethnic minorities in Syria,
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  Speaker 2: Allo Whites, Christians, Drews, Sites and Sunnis and Yazidi's everybody.
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  Speaker 2: Jilani has massacred and killed everybody in Syria. He was
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  Speaker 2: the butcher of Syria, not bascher Ala Sad. It's funny
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  Speaker 2: how they're flipping the script on this. So where's Rubio Now?
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  Speaker 2: Rubio is in Saudi Arabia, Rubio is rubbing shoulders with Jolani.
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  Speaker 2: So where's Marco Rubio the secretary of State? Does he
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  Speaker 2: have any principles, does he have any ethics, any morals?
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  Speaker 2: Or is this just all empty talk these days giving
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  Speaker 2: lip service to whoever this week's subject is. So here's
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  Speaker 2: the facts, mic, and we could just give you reams
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  Speaker 2: and reams of reports on this. Survivors of Al Sharar
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  Speaker 2: Jolani's government's massacres recount death and destruction, kidnapping of women
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  Speaker 2: sold on the market, and it lived, sex slaves, you
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  Speaker 2: name it. Owned by the way. Even Amnesty International was
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  Speaker 2: forced to release a report, multiple reports on this. The
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  Speaker 2: coastal regions in Syria allohites Jolani's running programs. They had
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  Speaker 2: their own crystal knock in the coastal regions of Syria.
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  Speaker 2: That's the best way to describe it quite accurately. In fact,
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  Speaker 2: there's just endless amount of reports like this, and you
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  Speaker 2: just have to go here to social media mic and
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  Speaker 2: just type in the search bar Allohite massacre, and that's
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  Speaker 2: all we've done here, and you could just scroll and
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  Speaker 2: scroll and you see some of the most horrific scenes
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  Speaker 2: where Jolani's police are forcing men to bark like dogs
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  Speaker 2: and crawl in the street, beg for mercy, and then
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  Speaker 2: they summarily execute them.
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  Speaker 1: That's a war crime right there.
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  Speaker 2: It is a war crime. So there is no and
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  Speaker 2: we apologize for the gruesomeness of this, folks, but our
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  Speaker 2: governments are endorsing these people and recognizing them as a
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  Speaker 2: legitimate government, when just a few weeks ago they were
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  Speaker 2: a listed terrorist organization, and we have all their crimes
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  Speaker 2: on film real time, And look at this rounding up
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  Speaker 2: men and boys, putting them into the back of trucks,
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  Speaker 2: taking them off to be killed, tortured or whatnot. This
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  Speaker 2: is a daily occurrence in Syria. They're ethnically cleansing anybody
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  Speaker 2: who is a religious or ethnic minority, and we could
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  Speaker 2: go on, Mike, I just you could just scroll. We
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  Speaker 2: don't need to show all of this, but you get
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  Speaker 2: the idea. It's just endless amount of massacres and examples
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  Speaker 2: of this. So we just go to X and just
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  Speaker 2: type in Alley White massacres. So it's not as if
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  Speaker 2: we're making this up. Look at this beautiful, beautiful young
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  Speaker 2: women who have been killed, pregnant woman also killed because
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  Speaker 2: she was Alla White, because she was the same sect
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  Speaker 2: as Baucher Alasade. That's what's happening in Syria. That's who
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  Speaker 2: Donald Trump is. Eva Bartlett, She's reported on a lot
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  Speaker 2: of these as well. This is what's actually going on
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  Speaker 2: in Syria. So what can we say? And meanwhile, so
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  Speaker 2: where are all these people on their principles? Well, here's
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  Speaker 2: another one. I won't bring this up on screen. Here
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  Speaker 2: this is the defense secretary. Now this is back in
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  Speaker 2: February twenty fifth. Okay, this is Pete hag Seth, us
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  Speaker 2: Defense secretary meeting with the Saudi to his counterpart in
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  Speaker 2: Saudi Arabia. He's meeting with the Saudi defense head, Prince
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  Speaker 2: Khalid ben Salmon. And note, okay, that's Pete hag Seth
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  Speaker 2: there US secretary. On his right bicept is tattooed in Arabic.
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  Speaker 2: The following is Infidel. Okay, so the Saudi's are supposedly
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  Speaker 2: the leaders of the Islamic world. Where are they on
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  Speaker 2: some of this stuff? This is somebody who's been openly
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  Speaker 2: hostile to Muslims Egxeth. Clearly you can see he's even
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  Speaker 2: got it tattooed the US Defense Circretary. I mean, where
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  Speaker 2: are they on this? Do they care? Are there any
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  Speaker 2: principles at play here? It all seems like what matters
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  Speaker 2: is money and guns and development property development here, and
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  Speaker 2: so just not to be outdone, not to be outdone.
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  Speaker 2: Here is Charles Lister, who is I'm not sure what
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  Speaker 2: he is who he works for, but he's kind of
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  Speaker 2: like a full time public relations agent for Jolani here,
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  Speaker 2: and Jilani's talking about coexistence is our heritage in Syria.
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  Speaker 2: We're all about coexistence, and everyone's living happily together in
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  Speaker 2: Syria right now. Total absolute bold fit lies. And so
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  Speaker 2: that's what's going on there there. He is Charles Lister.
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna sure you can look into any of these organizations,
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  Speaker 2: you'll probably find Katari funding or something similar to that
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  Speaker 2: or something tanks in Washington, d C. Who knows, but
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  Speaker 2: it's good. It's a good it's a good pr operation
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  Speaker 2: here and H And also heg Seth is meeting King
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  Speaker 2: Mohammed bin Salman MBS while he has an infidel tattoo
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  Speaker 2: in Arabic on his right bicep underneath his Armani suit.
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  Speaker 2: So that's what's going on. Meanwhile, this is what it's
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  Speaker 2: all about. Trump's courting the Gulf States for investment one
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  Speaker 2: point four trillion from the UAE and AI deal. Nothing
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  Speaker 2: is uh, this is not guaranteed. What it is is
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  Speaker 2: they're promising to buy chips from the United States, advanced
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  Speaker 2: AI chips and Trump's made this into a quote, a
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  Speaker 2: one point four trillion dollar AI deal. So these are
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  Speaker 2: MoU's memorandums of understanding. Okay, these aren't solid deals by
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  Speaker 2: any stretch imagination. But this is how crazy the coverage gets.
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  Speaker 2: Look at Fox, Trump takes a victory lap from you
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  Speaker 2: eat it's a thirteen trillion dollar deal. So in twelve
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  Speaker 2: hours it went from one point four to thirteen trillion.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe it'll be twenty trillion by tomorrow. I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: Anything's possible with Trump doesn't really matter. So here's the question, Mike,
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  Speaker 2: Based on everything we've just looked at, and France has
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  Speaker 2: also received Joelani for a state visit. Right, based on
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  Speaker 2: everything that we've looked at, is Britain going to invite
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  Speaker 2: the self appointed president of Syria who doesn't want to
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  Speaker 2: have elections by the way, okay, doesn't have a parliament,
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  Speaker 2: but he's the president. Is Britain going to invite this
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  Speaker 2: person for his state visit? This is an.
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  Speaker 1: Important question, that's a big question.
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  Speaker 2: Do you have you heard any indications?
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  Speaker 1: Certainly the rumormel is talking about.
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  Speaker 2: Us, the rumor mill is talking about it. And well,
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  Speaker 2: let's look at what Kiir Starmer said immediately as Damascus
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  Speaker 2: was falling, said he welcomes the fall of Assad's barbaric regime. Now,
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  Speaker 2: based on what I've just showed you, right, what we've
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  Speaker 2: just seen, would you say that Joe Lannis is a barbaric.
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  Speaker 1: Regime beyond barbarism? Actually it's pretty bad.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, on the scale of horror, it's about as bad
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  Speaker 2: as you can get. And it's all on camera. They
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  Speaker 2: filmed it all. So here's then Starmer the next day,
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  Speaker 2: being aware of what could happen in terms of sectarian violence.
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  Speaker 2: This was Starmer the next day. It's too early to
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  Speaker 2: remove the Syrian rebels quote from the Terroor list, said Starmer.
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: And to his credit, this is what the Prime Minister said.
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: We have all seen in other parts of history where
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: we think there is a turning point, it turns out
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: not necessarily to be a better future than what we
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: hope for, said Kiir Starmer. We've got to make sure
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: this is different. To his credit, Mike, that's a statement
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: I think I can agree with. I know it's rare,
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: but that's a statement we can agree with. And David
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: Lammy even chimed in on this. Foreign Secretary at the
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: time said the UK will judge HTS Joe Lani by
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: their actions, monitored closely, how they and other parties to
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: this conflict treat all civilians in areas they control. Again,
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: based on what we have just seen.
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: Well, based on what we've just seen, both of them
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: lie down because they have brushed it all under the carpet.
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: They're not speaking out against it at the moment.
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: So I think, but they're not talking openly about inviting
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: him either, so they're caught in a little bit of
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: a gray or Mike. So meanwhile, there's all sorts of
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: stuff on social media here again that's fake news, saying
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: kir Starmer has already invited Al Sharark. Why is this
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: stuff appearing, This is coming from the Gulf. This is
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: paid fake news. Okay, But so Mike, that's there's all.
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: If you google krestorm invites Joe Lannie, you'll get hundreds
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: of returns on social media posts, but you won't see
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: any news items. So people beware that not everything on
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: social media is true, and there's a lot of fake
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: news out there. Why would they be putting that fake news.
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: Out to soften people's public opinion for the thing for
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: a future announcement, So we shall see what happens in
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: the coming days.
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: Very interesting exercise and propaganda.
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: Yes, okay, well what else is kar Starmer been up? Toue?
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: Well?
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: Nattle. Foreign ministers gathered in Turkey on Wednesday to discuss sorry,
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: and yesterday to discuss strengthening Allied deterrence and defense, and
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: that's what they described it as as and to move
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: forward what they call preparations for the NATO summit in
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: the Hague next month. Now, the main topic of discussions.
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: Is perennial with nittle conferences? Is money? They still can't
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: agree on a minimum spend mark. Rudder moaned at the
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: current base of two percent GDP is not enough, and
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: so he's pushing for everyone to agree to a level
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: of three and a half percent of GDP in the
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: next seven years, topped up by an extra one and
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: a half percent earmarked for what was described as wider
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: set of spending related to defense, whatever that means. So
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: let's have a look and see what Rida said here.
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: He is we will need greater investment in our core
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: military requirements as well as additional broader defense related investments,
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: including infrastructure and resilience. We have to make sure that
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: we spend enough money all over NATO to keep ourselves safe. Now,
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: for his part, are less than the most intelligent Foreign
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: secretary insisted that the strongest alliance in history has to
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: stand united in the face of generational threat from adversaries.
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: So that would be a generational threat which he and
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: his predecessors in the UK government and his predecessor in
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: Natto created because they created this. If there is a threat,
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: they created a threat, or am I completely wrong about that?
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: You're talking about Ukraine, right, the acceleration of the conflict,
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: the war.
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: I'm talking about Ukraine, I'm talking about narrative, I'm talking
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: about even the anti China NATO as we know, Natto
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: twenty thirty is looking towards China as well. So, so
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: you know, it is incredible to me that that that
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: they are they have the goal to big comments like that,
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: as if it was something that they took no part
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: in creating in the first place, and.
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: Especially when they're not engaging in any diplomacy. They're not
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: doing any talks. They've ruled that. They ruled that out
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: for the longest done, didn't they We're not going to
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: talk to the other side. War only a military solution
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: is we're going to accept. So again, they're creating the
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: problem more of it.
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: Yes, indeed, and he went on to say, as myself
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: and my follow NATO allies also traveled to Turkey were
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: united alongside Ukraine and our determination to secure a just
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: and lasting pace by maintaining the war. Of course, now
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: the meeting was sorry, followed a meeting of the so
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: called YMR plus vymar plus. I mean, yeah, so this
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: is this is the embryonic European Defense Union, perhaps being
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: made up of the UK, France, Germany, Italy, Poland, Spain
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: and the EU High Representative Kaya Kallis. Okay, so I'm
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: gonna say, Patrick, what a brand? I don't understand you
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: laughing at this, but what a brand? What image does
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: vymar conjure up? Well? Yes, of course, hyperinflation and the
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: wheelbarrow loads of money to buy a loaf of bread.
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: And that's exactly what we're going to get if they
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: continue pursuing this policy. Am I being unfair?
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: I'm shocked, Mike. What of all the names you could choose,
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: you've chose and that one is this? Are they trolling us?
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah? I think they are.
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: I feel like I'm being trolled yes by.
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: Well let's just let's just look at the statement that
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: they made. So they said that we met in London
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: on the twelfth of May to discuss Russian aggression against
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: Ukraine and Euroatlantic security. On your Atlantic security, we reaffirmed
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: that NIDTO is the bedrock of our security and prosperity.
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: The Alliance has secured peace for over twenty five years.
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: The Alliance has secured peace, sorry for over seventy five years?
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: Has it done that, or have we bombed the hell
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: out of half the world.
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: It certainly hasn't done for Yugoslavia, for Central Europe, for Libya,
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: for Syria, for Afghanistan, and for Ukraine. Should I go on,
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: I think there's a few more we will.
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: But anyway, it went on to say this an enhanced
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: security and defense relationship between the UK and the EU
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: is key to improving the lives of our people and
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: making our continent more safe and secure, as will enhance
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: cooperation between NIDDO and the EU on the basis of
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: the three Joint Declarations, and greater cooperation with Ukraine. So
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: again we have this rhetoric trying to reinforce the idea
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: that defense Union is not a threat to NATO. This
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: is a narrative they've used from the beginning. And if
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: we just bring the graphic on screen, this is my
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: rendition of the European the EU graphic, which describes European
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: Defense Union, all the various pillars of it as they
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: like to call it. And on the right hand side
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: there absolutely the core partnership is NATO and the United Nations.
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: But NATO is the core partnership. This, as I've said
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: many times before. Was never about you know, undermining NATO
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: in any way. It's about the EU becoming effectively a
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: key voice within.
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: NATO political consensus for foreign policy.
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: Right precisely. Yeah, And it's much easier to do that
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: with the EU Commission being the voice of all the
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: European member states instead of instead of individual member states.
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: So anyway, why is this important? Well, this all leads
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: up to the UK EU Summit, which is taking place
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: on Monday. And the eused pro page that you can
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: see on screen at the moment have me a little
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: bit amused because you'll note it says there that agenda
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: highlights will be on this page a week before the meeting. Well,
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: the meeting's on Monday, and that screenshot was taken today,
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: so that doesn't seem to have happened. So I'm going
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: to suggest that that is very much a reflection of
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: the sensitivity surrounding this conference's summit. This is the summit
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: which is going to bring the UK, in a formal sense,
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: right back into the EU again, and I understand the
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: reticence to list the details of the agenda on there.
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: Something that caught my eye, like at the beginning you
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: were talking about the budget and they're looking for a
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: wider set of spending related to defense. You remember that, Yes,
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: so there, I've actually looked into that on when Germany
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: proposed the Rearmed Europe plan on the German inside that
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: is all massive amount of money that's going to be
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: earmarked for smart power and we can add censorship to
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: that and that type of speech control and think tanks.
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: So they're building out the sort of I guess, intellectual ecosystem,
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: the soft power ecosystem, the smart power ecosystem to fill
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: the gap from the United States withdrawing a little bit
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: from the USCID, destabilizing countries in Europe and so forth,
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: and skull plugging Europeans into voting certain ways or canceling
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: elections full stop. Right, That's what that is. So they're
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: going to they're going to applow significant amounts of money
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: into that to try to shore up establishment there is
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: absolutely failing right now.
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: And which is then we're going to become much more
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: reliant on funding from the war policy and therefore is
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: going to be absolutely supportive no criticism of the war
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: policy whatsoever.
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: And you'll see the same people get jobs, You'll see
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: the same names pop up from the Atlantic Council and
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: the all the disinformation boards. There'll be money for Elliott
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: Higgins and Bellingcat I'm sure, so the same sort of
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: players that they're feeding at the same trough.
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: Basically massively dangerous. Okay, thank you, Patrick, Mark, let me
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: welcome you to the program. And well let's move on
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: to the issue of digital services talks, which of course
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: is something that the UK has been pushing very hard.
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: But we were very clear Mark that this was not
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: within the remit of the recent trade deal between the
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: United States and the UK.
• 29:32
  Speaker 7: Yeah, that's my understanding, Mike, is that, first of all,
• 29:36
  Speaker 7: the trade deal between the US and the UK announced
• 29:39
  Speaker 7: around May eighth is not as complete as they're making
• 29:42
  Speaker 7: it sound. There's a ways to go on that, and
• 29:45
  Speaker 7: so this is in a way a follow up to
• 29:48
  Speaker 7: an earlier report I did on that trade deal. At
• 29:50
  Speaker 7: any rate, we'll move on and kind of explain the
• 29:53
  Speaker 7: main facts surrounding the digital services tax. And for one thing,
• 30:00
  Speaker 7: we've got the White House Trade advisor Peter Navarro. He
• 30:05
  Speaker 7: has had this to say. Digital taxes has spread like
• 30:08
  Speaker 7: a bad virus around the world, but it started in
• 30:11
  Speaker 7: Europe and it basically targets American companies. And I know
• 30:15
  Speaker 7: that the Trump administration, as political reported, is still pressuring
• 30:19
  Speaker 7: the UK to lift its tax on digital services, calling
• 30:23
  Speaker 7: it again a bad virus. And as Navarro also stated,
• 30:27
  Speaker 7: as we're showing here, we're still in negotiations. And the
• 30:31
  Speaker 7: President and other top White House officials acknowledged during remarks
• 30:35
  Speaker 7: on the race A deal in the Oval Office that
• 30:39
  Speaker 7: many content the trade deal in the Oval Office that
• 30:42
  Speaker 7: many contentious details have yet to be ironed out. So
• 30:45
  Speaker 7: there's again, as I'm saying, there's a long ways to
• 30:48
  Speaker 7: go on this. We'll move on from there. As of
• 30:51
  Speaker 7: the first of April twenty twenty, this is a little
• 30:53
  Speaker 7: bit of history. The UK government introduced a new two
• 30:56
  Speaker 7: percent tax on the revenues of search engines, social media
• 31:00
  Speaker 7: services and online marketplaces which derive value from UK users.
• 31:06
  Speaker 7: Under the current international tax framework, the value businesses derived
• 31:10
  Speaker 7: from user participation is not taken into account, that is,
• 31:14
  Speaker 7: the business profits between different countries. But this measure will
• 31:18
  Speaker 7: ensure that large multinational businesses support vital public services fairly.
• 31:23
  Speaker 7: So going back to twenty twenty, that's the rationale they're saying.
• 31:26
  Speaker 7: The UK government for the digital services tax. A policy
• 31:31
  Speaker 7: paper from the UK government also said the following you
• 31:34
  Speaker 7: might want to show this one the most sustainable long
• 31:37
  Speaker 7: term solution to the tax challenges arising from digitalization is
• 31:42
  Speaker 7: reform of the international corporate tax rules. That's what the
• 31:46
  Speaker 7: UK government is now talking about five years later. The
• 31:50
  Speaker 7: UK strongly supports G seven, G twenty and OECD discussions
• 31:55
  Speaker 7: on long term reform and you guys might want to
• 31:59
  Speaker 7: come in on this. But there's also a Builderberg connection
• 32:02
  Speaker 7: that you might recall, Mike, when I was there in
• 32:05
  Speaker 7: twenty thirteen covering Bilderberg and Watford. This came up because Googleberg,
• 32:10
  Speaker 7: another type of meeting, also took place in Watford right
• 32:14
  Speaker 7: before Bilderberg that year, and there was some high tech
• 32:17
  Speaker 7: talks where tax matters kind of leaked out of that.
• 32:21
  Speaker 7: And at any rate, just before that twenty thirteen Bilderberg meeting,
• 32:25
  Speaker 7: the sixth through ninth of June, Google's then executive Eric Schmidt,
• 32:29
  Speaker 7: as we might recall, he was in the UK discussing
• 32:32
  Speaker 7: Google's tax practices. He and the other big tech leaders
• 32:35
  Speaker 7: held that google Berg gathering in Watford. There was a
• 32:39
  Speaker 7: tax avoidance controversy at the time. Google and other multinational
• 32:43
  Speaker 7: companies faced scrutiny over their UK tax arrangements. Google paid
• 32:48
  Speaker 7: six million, six million pounds in UK corporation tax, were told,
• 32:53
  Speaker 7: but that still drew some criticism. Schmidt defended Google's tax practices,
• 32:57
  Speaker 7: asserting that the company was adhering to the law and
• 33:01
  Speaker 7: fulfilling its fiduciary responsibilities to its shareholders. And then Eric
• 33:06
  Speaker 7: Schmidt said that if the UK wanted more tax revenue,
• 33:08
  Speaker 7: it should amend its tax laws and right before Builderberg.
• 33:11
  Speaker 7: Schmidt also met with British PM David Cameron at the time.
• 33:15
  Speaker 7: So that's the basic facts of it, guys. But I know,
• 33:19
  Speaker 7: Mike you you've had some long term concerns as have I,
• 33:22
  Speaker 7: as to whether that tax would actually be levied against
• 33:27
  Speaker 7: those multinationals or just written off, and that there'd be
• 33:33
  Speaker 7: a lot of shenanigans going on and things like that.
• 33:35
  Speaker 7: Maybe you guys want to comment on it as well,
• 33:37
  Speaker 7: especially you, Mike. I know you were watching this issue
• 33:39
  Speaker 7: very closely.
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: Well, well, actually we both were at the time, and
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: you know, this has been a long This is a
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: bit like European Defense Union. It's one of those policies
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: that there's massive pushback against, even though the certain elements
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: of the elites want to see it push through as
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: quickly as possible, and this idea of internationalizing the corporation
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: tax regime is one that's been talked about, as you say, Mark,
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: for fifteen years now. It's ridiculous, but you know, I
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: think for me one of the key points about corporation
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: taxes that it is actually, in a sense of stealth
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: tax on us as individuals, because there's no corporation. The
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: corporations are there to provide shareholder value and they are
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: not going to reduce their profit making capability by paying
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: corporation tax out of profits. They'll simply put their prices up,
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: particularly in this sort of cartilized economies that we increase
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: increasingly have, so they'll stick their prices up for everything
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: in order to cover the cost of increased corporation taxes.
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: But Google, of course, even at that time was telling FIBs,
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: shall we say, because you know they're based in Ireland,
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: they're not based in the UK, because Ireland has a
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: much more much softer corporation tax regime than the UK does. Now,
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: what's different about this particular taxes is that their attempt.
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: First of all, they're not attempting to tax profits. They're
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: just saying two percent of any money that we perceive
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: that you make from UK users has got to be paid,
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: and so we'll see how that pans out. I think,
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: as you said, Mark, the key point here though, is
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: that despite the UK government's complete sorry, UK Government's claims
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: that this was excluded from the US UK trade deal,
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: that's absolutely still a matter of negotiation, is clearly the case.
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it might. They're not going to be making much
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: progress on this because the issues are fundamental tax on
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: corporate profits, right, not on turnover, not on sales. The
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: government's doing sales tax and VAT and things like that,
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: and all they're doing is going to these companies are
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: reinvesting back into the grow their operations, bigger office buildings,
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: bigger brand presence to help their sort of image and
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: things like that. But it's funny, a lot of this
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: stuff was taken care of with t TPP and t TIP,
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: but of course that didn't make it past the post.
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: So again we're back to for different reasons, by the way,
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: but it was still part of that package, and so
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: we're back now teasing out pieces of those all encompassing
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: international transnational corporate deals from before. But the two percent
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: is interesting because that brings it right along normalization with
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: the WTO standards again. But who's going to pay and
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: who's going to bear the cost? Well, we're going to
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: bear the cost, we are, and the government might charge
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: a sales tax. The corporations might pay a little more,
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: but we're going to end up putting the bill, aren't
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: we we are? Yeah?
• 36:40
  Speaker 7: Mark, Yeah, there's not only the cost push inflation thing
• 36:45
  Speaker 7: where that cost will be passed on to us. But
• 36:47
  Speaker 7: now I'm recalling, Mike that I think you were also concerned,
• 36:51
  Speaker 7: as was I back when Bildberg was happening, that by
• 36:54
  Speaker 7: making an international tax entity, if you will, they'll create
• 36:58
  Speaker 7: a whole other tax already that then would have a
• 37:02
  Speaker 7: much longer reach than individual national tax authorities. I think
• 37:05
  Speaker 7: that was the other concern, if I'm not if I'm
• 37:07
  Speaker 7: not mistaken, back in twenty thirteen, who just who? And
• 37:11
  Speaker 7: what would be this international tax authority? What kind of
• 37:14
  Speaker 7: reach would they have beyond corporations to individuals and smaller companies.
• 37:19
  Speaker 7: Would they suppress smaller companies in favor of the bigger
• 37:22
  Speaker 7: companies having.
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: Even more monopoly power?
• 37:25
  Speaker 7: That would be another at least general concern to look
• 37:28
  Speaker 7: at and I think we thought about it back then.
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, a global slush fund is a big fear
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: in the background.
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, thank you, Mark. Right, we're just going to move
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: on to the break in the second, but just before
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: we do that, ken of you goind to just ask
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: you to fix the studio clock for us, because we're
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: going to be a bit lost in a second if
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: you don't. But anyway, thanks smart for that. Okay. If
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  Speaker 1: from the UK Column website. If you can now tomorrow jerm. Sorry,
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: tonight at seven pm Germ Warfare will be speaking to
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: Tom Coln and asking the question has a virus ever
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: been shown to exist? So that's tonight at seven pm.
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: That's going to be a controversial.
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: One and delving into dangerous territory.
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: We do like that, so thank you, thanks very much,
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: okay for that. So let's move on then, and very briefly,
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: mark kiss file against Pfizer or is this an update
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: on a current existing one.
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: A new one?
• 39:06
  Speaker 7: As far as I know, Mike, speaking of viral things,
• 39:09
  Speaker 7: all things viral, the state of Kansas is now suing Pfizer.
• 39:14
  Speaker 7: This is from a local affiliate at CBS WIBW in Kansas,
• 39:19
  Speaker 7: case filed against Pfizer for COVID vaccine marketing to be
• 39:23
  Speaker 7: heard at the state level. So it's not for some
• 39:26
  Speaker 7: painkiller or anti inflammatory. This is actually for the COVID
• 39:29
  Speaker 7: jab and the Attorney General of Kansas was quoted as
• 39:34
  Speaker 7: saying this victory to be trying this is the first
• 39:38
  Speaker 7: step in bringing justice to the Kansas who were misled
• 39:41
  Speaker 7: by the false statements made by Pfizer regarding the health
• 39:45
  Speaker 7: risks of the COVID vaccine. See So this is really
• 39:48
  Speaker 7: getting to the heart of what's going on right before
• 39:51
  Speaker 7: the World Health Assembly meets this coming Monday. Just like
• 39:54
  Speaker 7: that other summit you talked about, to start their final negotiations,
• 39:58
  Speaker 7: were told about the a World Pandemic Treaty, and there's
• 40:01
  Speaker 7: an important note from James Ruguski on that, and that
• 40:05
  Speaker 7: is real quickly that there's an annex within the treaty
• 40:08
  Speaker 7: structure that he understands very clearly that the participants have
• 40:13
  Speaker 7: to obey, meaning that there's going to be up to
• 40:16
  Speaker 7: a year probably the better part of a year, if
• 40:19
  Speaker 7: not a full year, before they can finally sign the
• 40:22
  Speaker 7: Pandemic Treaty. It's a regulatory governance mechanism within the overall
• 40:28
  Speaker 7: talks which buys a lot of time for those that
• 40:30
  Speaker 7: are concerned about this treaty and want to oppose it.
• 40:34
  Speaker 7: So this is really good news, along with Pfizer being
• 40:37
  Speaker 7: saddled by this lawsuit going right into the World Health
• 40:40
  Speaker 7: Assembly starting on Monday in Geneva and lasting till the
• 40:43
  Speaker 7: twenty seventh of May, and there'll be more in extra
• 40:46
  Speaker 7: you can still sign the petition to repeal the PREP
• 40:50
  Speaker 7: Act and remove the liability protection for big pharma so
• 40:55
  Speaker 7: it's a positive development for those that are really concerned
• 40:58
  Speaker 7: and want to be activists and this issue.
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: Thank you, Mark. Okay, let's move on to propaganda really,
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: and what's quite incredible has been the level of propaganda
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: coming out of the mainstream press for war. And here's
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: just one example of it from the BBC. So mainstream
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: press going all out to promote a war narrative, particularly
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: against Iran. And so the BBC here claiming to have
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: seen court documents from Turkey and the United States which
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: they say contain evidence that Iran has been hiring criminal
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: gangs to carry out killings on foreign soil. So I'd
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: like to define get a definition for what evidence means
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: in this case. There's no suggestion of criminal conviction. There
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: is no report of a prison sentence for anyone alleged
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: to have murdered anyone. And we've got to remember that
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: this is the same BBC that regurgetated evidence of yellow Cake,
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: the same BBC that regurgetated evidence for chemical weapons in
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: Syria and so on. But meanwhile in the United States
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: here's Fox and they have claims to have evidence of
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: secret nuclear weapons facilities in Iran, and this evidence that
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: they say comes in the form of satellite images. Their sources,
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: the runiant opposition group the National Council of Resistance of Iran,
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: which claimed a previously undisclosed facility which they dubbed or
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: dubbed the Rainbow site, has been operating for over a
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: decade to extract tritium, a material used to advanced in
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: advanced nuclear weapons. According to Fox, tritium is also used
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: for a host of other activities, including as a medical
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: marker for leminescence on watches, for gun sites, a whole
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: bunch of other applications for it as well. But anyway,
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: in this context then it's perhaps unsurprising that the mainstream
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: press is basically bankrupt here in the UK, and as
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: a result, the UK regime is announced its latest attempts
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: to maintain mainstream narratives with the Decisionlit Decisions. The first
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: one is to the lesser of the two is to
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: extend the ability for government to scrutinize murgers and takeovers,
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: to extend that to online news websites and magazines. And
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: they say this reflects modern news consumption habits, and they
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: highlight offcoms reporting that seventy percent of UK adults are
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: saying they consume online news in some capacity, and so
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: the UK government is saying that these expanded powers will
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: allow greater scrutiny of takeovers that might negatively affect accurate reporting,
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: freedom of expression and media plurality. Try not to laugh
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: as you hear that. And they say that these are
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: essential to the UK's democracy. Yes, okay, well that in
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: and of itself might see that significant. But the secretary
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: announcement was that they've also introduced what they describe as
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: targeted exceptions to allow certain state owned investment funds such
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: as sovereign wealth funds or pension funds, to invest up
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: to or to take control all of up to fifteen
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: percent in UK newspapers and news periodicals. And they claim
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: this is to address concerns that a for sovereign wealth
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: fund could buy up a UK newspaper. Now, this follows
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: the Ferrara over the possibility of UAE buying the Telegraph,
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: which is basically bankrupt, But it's mostly about making sure
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: that foreign money can still come into the UK to
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: keep the mainstream media going here. Now, what's of note
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: is that this fifteen percent number is three times what
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: was originally conceived, and the increase followed lobbying from the
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: publishers of The Daily Meal, The Times, from Lord Rothermare
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: and from Rupert Murdock. So there's already massive pushback. Sorry,
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: there's already massive pushback on this from the Commons and
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: the Lords against the idea of fifteen percent stake being
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: taken by any foreign state actor. But what is clear
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: is the sheer desperation from the media barons here that
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: their publications need funding, and that the funding is not
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: coming from the United Kingdom. And well, I'm going to
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: suggest Patrick that maybe they wouldn't be in this position
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: if they were selling news and not propaganda.
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, proper news and analysis, not the sort of propaganda
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: we just watch. By the way, make the National Resistance
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: Council of Iran. They had those satellite images you just showed.
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: That's actually what they mean is the me Ek the
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: mujahadenel Keck, a designated terrorist organization basically holed up in Albania,
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: backed by the CIA and Israeli intelligence. That's the source
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: for the Fox secret nuclear sites. Believe it or not
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: so great source. Well done, Fox, Yes.
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: And date Mark. Let's come back to you then, and
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: back to the United States, or at least partly back
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: to the United States, because Donald Trump recently has said
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: that it's great that anybody that's Afrikaans can come from
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: South Africa and become a US citizen almost immediately. What's
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: this all about.
• 46:02
  Speaker 7: Well, it's a contentious issue, that's for sure. There's a
• 46:05
  Speaker 7: broad range of views on it across the new spectrum.
• 46:07
  Speaker 7: But the essentials for today that Trump said at a
• 46:12
  Speaker 7: White House news conference recently that he's allowing and this
• 46:15
  Speaker 7: is the number we're given, forty nine so far white
• 46:18
  Speaker 7: farmers from South Africa, mainly of Dutch descent, to come
• 46:22
  Speaker 7: to the US as refugees because of what he believes
• 46:25
  Speaker 7: there's a genocide taking place because of that. He claimed
• 46:28
  Speaker 7: that in post apartheid South Africa, white farmers, those of
• 46:33
  Speaker 7: that extraction, largely Dutch, are being killed. And Trump plans
• 46:37
  Speaker 7: to address the issue with the South African leadership, and
• 46:40
  Speaker 7: there's a meeting upcoming on that on the twenty first
• 46:43
  Speaker 7: of May. We're told Trump was quoted as saying, we're
• 46:46
  Speaker 7: going to see a video in a second. He doesn't
• 46:48
  Speaker 7: care whether the South African farmers so affected are white
• 46:51
  Speaker 7: or black. But at a time when the administration has
• 46:54
  Speaker 7: sought to halt refugee admissions from many other countries undergoing
• 46:58
  Speaker 7: political upheaval. Trump is still saying the US has essentially
• 47:02
  Speaker 7: extended citizenship to South African farmers. So that's that's the
• 47:07
  Speaker 7: rub is that Trump has been very, very resistant to
• 47:11
  Speaker 7: a lot of refugee admissions and things like that, except
• 47:17
  Speaker 7: for this, and that it also involves Gaza and the
• 47:21
  Speaker 7: stark difference there. So there's a lot of controversy there
• 47:24
  Speaker 7: and it seems that Trump could have played this a
• 47:26
  Speaker 7: little differently. But at any rate, there's a video here
• 47:29
  Speaker 7: and we'll move on from there.
• 47:32
  Speaker 5: I want to ask you about a side that refugees.
• 47:34
  Speaker 5: Dozens of African Africaners who played discrimination in their home
• 47:37
  Speaker 5: country or heading to the United States where your administration
• 47:40
  Speaker 5: is going to welcome them as refugees. Now, this comes
• 47:44
  Speaker 5: as you've haulted virtually all refugee admissions for people think
• 47:47
  Speaker 5: famine and war from the countries like Sudan, the Democratic
• 47:50
  Speaker 5: Republic of Congo. Why are you creating an expedited path
• 47:54
  Speaker 5: into the country for the.
• 47:56
  Speaker 6: Honors with not others because they're being killed and we
• 48:00
  Speaker 6: don't want to see people be killed. Now, South Africa
• 48:03
  Speaker 6: leadership is coming to see me, I understand sometime next week.
• 48:08
  Speaker 6: And you know, we're supposed to have a guess a
• 48:11
  Speaker 6: G twenty meeting there or something. But we're having a
• 48:13
  Speaker 6: G twenty meeting. I don't know how we can go
• 48:15
  Speaker 6: unless that situation's taken care of. But it's a genocide
• 48:19
  Speaker 6: that's taking place that you people.
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: Don't want to write about.
• 48:22
  Speaker 6: But it's a terrible thing that's taking place. And farmers
• 48:27
  Speaker 6: are being killed. They happen to be white. But whether
• 48:30
  Speaker 6: they're white or black makes no difference to me. But
• 48:33
  Speaker 6: white farmers are being brutally killed and their land is
• 48:38
  Speaker 6: being confiscated in South Africa, and the newspapers and the media,
• 48:42
  Speaker 6: television media doesn't even talk about it. If it were
• 48:45
  Speaker 6: the other way around, they talk about it, that would
• 48:47
  Speaker 6: be the only story they talk about. And I don't
• 48:50
  Speaker 6: care who they are. I don't care about their race,
• 48:53
  Speaker 6: their color. I don't care about their height, their weight,
• 48:55
  Speaker 6: I don't care about anything. I just know that what's
• 48:58
  Speaker 6: happening is terrible to have people that live in South
• 49:01
  Speaker 6: Africa they say it's a terrible situation taking place. So
• 49:05
  Speaker 6: we've essentially extended citizenship to those people to escape from
• 49:10
  Speaker 6: that violence and come here.
• 49:17
  Speaker 7: That's what the President had to say on that. There's
• 49:20
  Speaker 7: also been some miscellaneous coverage. We can keep moving here.
• 49:23
  Speaker 7: This is an Associated Press piece from the fourteenth of May,
• 49:26
  Speaker 7: just confirming South African's leader and Trump will meet next
• 49:30
  Speaker 7: week again May twenty one, after US took in these
• 49:33
  Speaker 7: forty nine white South Africans as refugees. And there's some
• 49:37
  Speaker 7: other important things here. Elon, of course is in the
• 49:40
  Speaker 7: mix because he's from South Africa. He's of that descent,
• 49:45
  Speaker 7: and the Associated Press via PBS back on the twenty
• 49:49
  Speaker 7: fourth of March mentioned that South African born Elon Musk,
• 49:53
  Speaker 7: who has regularly accused South Africa's black led government of
• 49:56
  Speaker 7: being on that white repeated at that time of claim
• 49:59
  Speaker 7: and a social media posts that some of the country's
• 50:01
  Speaker 7: political figures quote are actively promoting white genocide end quote.
• 50:06
  Speaker 7: And the really important part is this next item. Some
• 50:11
  Speaker 7: notes I took on this amid South Africa's passage of
• 50:15
  Speaker 7: what we're told is land takings, a land taking's law
• 50:18
  Speaker 7: without compensation. Trump has accused South Africa of taking aggressive
• 50:23
  Speaker 7: positions towards the US and its allies in its foreign
• 50:27
  Speaker 7: policy and of being a supporter of Hamas, the Palestinian
• 50:31
  Speaker 7: militant group and Iran Trump in an executive order. There's
• 50:35
  Speaker 7: an executive order involved here. He cited South Africa's decision
• 50:39
  Speaker 7: to accuse the US alli Israel of genocide in Gaza
• 50:44
  Speaker 7: in an ongoing case at the International Court of Justice
• 50:46
  Speaker 7: as an example of South Africa's so called anti American stance.
• 50:51
  Speaker 7: So that's a major potential blunder there for President Trump
• 50:57
  Speaker 7: to be so open to the South Africans.
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: Whatever their plight might be.
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: There's there's, you.
• 51:01
  Speaker 7: Know, palpable corruption there and there has been a long time.
• 51:05
  Speaker 7: But then to ignore the much more stark situation in Gaza,
• 51:09
  Speaker 7: where the destruction has been so much more widespread and
• 51:13
  Speaker 7: complete in such a short period of time. So it's
• 51:17
  Speaker 7: it's strange to say the least, that that President Trump
• 51:21
  Speaker 7: would do the South African thing on one hand, which
• 51:24
  Speaker 7: might have some merit, and yet ignore the Gozins where
• 51:28
  Speaker 7: the suffering has been just so over the top. So
• 51:32
  Speaker 7: that's a hard sell to me. That's a hard sell
• 51:35
  Speaker 7: no matter what your views are on this issue. So
• 51:37
  Speaker 7: back to you guys.
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, a number of points here, Mark, I'm sure
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: there's going to be a couple of questions about this.
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: Getting First of all, getting statistics on the scale of
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: the problem in South Africa is difficult because the South
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: African government doesn't release crime figures based on risks. But
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: the latest figures that I could find, which we're covering
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: the final quarter of last year, so only in three months,
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: said that six hundred and nine six nine hundred and
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: fifty three people were murdered in the country in the
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: last three months of last year, and of those, according
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: to the South African government, at least twelve were killed
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: in farm attacks, and of the twelve, one was a farmer,
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: five were people living on farms, and four were employees.
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: And there's no clarity over whether those employees were white
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: or black. So, no matter what you think about this,
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: that doesn't include that doesn't constitute a white genocide or
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: any kind of genocide according to any definition of the
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: term that I'm aware of. It might undoubtedly is criminality,
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: Undoubtedly it's the activity of gangs and so on. But
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: you know, the number of murders in South Africa as
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: a whole is horrendous, and it seems to me that
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: that represents a pretty shocking lawlessness, but it could be
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: described as genocide. And to my mind, Patrick, this is
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: this is all about Israel and Gaza.
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: I think it's right. I think also it marks made
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: the connection there with Trump's own statement. It's clearly politically.
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: I think it appears to me, Mike anyway, this looks
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: like there's a political thing going on here. And we
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: traced the genealogy of this issue, and what we found
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: was this was for this issue. How did it get
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: to the White House level? That's the question. And it
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: came from Elon Musk on X started promoting it, but
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: he started promoting it at the same time a lot
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: of top Israeli lobbyist accounts like Bill Lackman and others,
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: Tommy Robinson, all these other sort of accounts. They all
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: tend to tweet the same things. There's a whole gaggle
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: of these accounts. And Elon Musk was saying, is the
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: white genocide going South? Africa's passing anti black legislation, They're
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: confiscating white farmer's land. None of that was true. There's
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: been no white farmers land confiscated by the government. So
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: Trump was lying to the public. Because Trump probably doesn't
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: know also said there's a genocide. That's another lie by
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: Donald Trump, but then from Elon Marco Rubio then retweeted
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: it and then amplified the issue, and that caused it
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: retaliation by South Africa diplomatically, which caused a diplomatic tit
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: for tat, which has led us to this position by
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: Donald Trump having to have an emergency meeting with South
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: African's leadership next week to try to resolve this issue.
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: And so I think it'll be interesting to see what
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: happens after that, meaning when they basically tell him the facts.
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: But I do think the fact that South Africa has
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: raised this case in the ICJ has made them a
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: big target of the Israeli lobby and the Ben Shapiro's
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: of the world and everybody else who's batting for Israel. Basically,
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: but to use the term genocide, and here's the point, Mike,
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: to me, to use the term genocide so willy nilly
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: demeans an actual, ongoing, violent, historic proportions genocide. Live streamed
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: genocide that we've never seen in our lifetimes, demeans it.
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: It reduces the significance of it. And this whole issue
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: seems like it's geopolitical gas lighting for the benefit of
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: Israel against the one country that stood up against Israel
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: and filed that case at the International Courts of Justice
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: under the Genocide Convention, which was South Africa and the
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: government of Sarah Ramaposa, who's also a bricks country as well.
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: So they've got another reason maybe to not like them
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: as well. But I think there's a lot of big time,
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: heavy duty politics going on with this issue and will
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: be interesting to see what happens next week.
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: Okay, well, we'll talk more about this an extra of
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: nou Dat, but thank you Mark for that. Now, sticking
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: with the migration thing for a second, here's Starmer because
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: he was in Albinia yesterday ostensibly stepping up efforts. This
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: is their language, stepping up efforts to tackle illegal migration,
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: as if that's the biggest immigration problem that Britain has,
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: because we have to focus on illegal migration so that
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: no one is looking at the much bigger problem of
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: regular migration and the impact that that's having on this
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: country because we're not investing on, amongst other things, we're
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: not investing in infrastructure problem properly and so on. But
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: the headline from that part of the visit is yet
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: another demonstration of the fact that the UK is governed
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: by a unit party because he announced his version of
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: the Tory Ruwanda policy for deportations, although he didn't say
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: which country would host the so called return hubs that
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: refuse asylum seekers are going to be sent to. So
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: here he is, with a straight face, just producing exactly
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: the same policy that the previous Tory regime had and
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: as if it's another one of the changes that he
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: was elected on. But anyway, this was all cover for
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: more UKU discussion, including on defense, as he attends the
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: European Political Community summit, and this is happening today. He's
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: going to convene a round table on defense and security
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: and continue conversations on innovative solutions his words again and
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: a vous solutions and challenge to the challenge of illegal migration.
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: But defense and security Mark Rut is going to be there.
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: There's going to be a lot going on around this
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: reset of UK EU relations and it's not getting enough
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: scrutiny in my opinion in the mainstream press at least
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: or amongst many commentators.
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: Is Starma trying to occupy a little bit of reform
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: territory on that patch of the issues platform.
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: Certainly get the feeling he's smarting a little bit there
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: and feeling the need to respond to what reforms.
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: So, yeah, to stop the hemorrhaging of the labor base, Yes,
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: further hemorrhaging.
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: Mark back to you then, And there seems to be
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: some question over whether Trump is going to remove funding
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: from FEMA.
• 57:52
  Speaker 7: Yes, the infamous Federal Emergency Management Agency, no fooling. Created
• 57:57
  Speaker 7: April first, nineteen seventy nine under Carter. It's been the
• 58:02
  Speaker 7: subject of much patriot low over the years. We've all
• 58:05
  Speaker 7: heard about allegations of FEMA camps where resistant and rebellious
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  Speaker 7: Americans might be kept in the event of societal breakdown,
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  Speaker 7: whether it's man made or not. This has been sort
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  Speaker 7: of an urban legend, or maybe a little more than
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  Speaker 7: that for many, many years. But now there's a council
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  Speaker 7: being formed. We can show this executive order title page
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  Speaker 7: from the White House. They're going to form a council
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  Speaker 7: to assess the Federal Emergency Management Agency and take a
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  Speaker 7: look is it really doing us any good? Is it
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  Speaker 7: worth the money? And at any rate despite obligating nearly
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  Speaker 7: thirty billion in disaster aid each of the past three
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  Speaker 7: years FEMA. According to the White House, these are excerpts
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  Speaker 7: from the Executive Order. By the way, FEMA has managed
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  Speaker 7: to leave vulnerable Americans without the resources or support they
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  Speaker 7: need when they need it most. FEMA therefore requires what
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  Speaker 7: the White House is calling a full scale review, and
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  Speaker 7: this new council will carry out that review, and that
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  Speaker 7: will be consisting of individuals highly experienced. The White House says,
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  Speaker 7: add effective disaster response and recovery. Who shall recommend to
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  Speaker 7: the President improvements or structural changes to promote the national interest.
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  Speaker 7: But this talk of reform and change, I think is
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  Speaker 7: cover for considering actually getting rid of FEMA. We'll see.
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  Speaker 7: With the Department of Education, we learned recently that they
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  Speaker 7: weren't quite ready to pull the trigger and get rid
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  Speaker 7: of it. So will they or won't they. Northeastern University
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  Speaker 7: published a little bit on this Trump Science the Executive
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  Speaker 7: Order reviewing FEMA, raising concerns over disaster response because what
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  Speaker 7: they're saying is that this could be returned to the
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  Speaker 7: state level, And those that support FEMA, even though they're
• 59:46
  Speaker 7: saying it's not perfect, are basically saying we might do
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  Speaker 7: worse without them. When really bad weather happens at any rate.
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  Speaker 7: This executive order follows Trump's visits to North Carolina where
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  Speaker 7: Hurricane Helene hit, and he visited fire stricken areas of
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  Speaker 7: southern California, and that's when Trump reportedly suggested eliminating or
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  Speaker 7: downsizing FEMA. And according to this executive order, also this council,
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  Speaker 7: which would be called the Federal Emergency Management Agency Review Council,
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  Speaker 7: chaired by the Homeland Security and Defense Secretary's Defenses in
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  Speaker 7: there will assess beema's effectiveness over the past four years,
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  Speaker 7: comparing its response to state government and private sector efforts.
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  Speaker 7: And I'll just notice it's a noteworthy historical note that
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  Speaker 7: this is the twentieth year since Hurricane Katrina in New Orleans,
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  Speaker 7: where FEMA was accused of widespread abuses of property and
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 7: residents there. And there were also claims of disarmament schemes
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 7: going around house to house disarming people asking them to
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 7: turn in their guns. Some things were true, some things
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 7: might have been a little bit exaggerated, but FEMA got
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  Speaker 7: a black eyed during the years of Katrina twenty years ago,
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  Speaker 7: and they haven't been able to totally live it down since.
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  Speaker 7: So it's not just the recent fires in Hurricane Helene.
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  Speaker 7: It's a deep seated distrust of FEMA that goes back
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  Speaker 7: at least as far as Katrina twenty years ago. So
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  Speaker 7: we'll see what happens, but this would be a fairly
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  Speaker 7: major change if they carry it all the way through
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  Speaker 7: via that council. So that's it for.
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  Speaker 1: Today, Thank you, Mark, and brief comments.
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  Speaker 2: On that story. Note, but I was watching the chat
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  Speaker 2: and I normally don't comment on the chat, but somebody
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 2: is basically saying that I'm wrong about land seizures in
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  Speaker 2: South Africa a number of users and they're citing Visigrad
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 2: twenty four as their source. Visigrad twenty four is an
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 2: Israeli backed propaganda outlet pro genocide and also have been
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 2: campaigning for the Ukraine War pro Ukraine war since the beginning.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: In fact, before the war, they were campaigning for a war.
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  Speaker 2: So that is an actual propaganda outlet. And the other
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 2: thing they say is you need to look on telegram
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 2: there's people from all over the world in chats. Is
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 2: not a reliable news source. It is also a source
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  Speaker 2: of massive fake news and propaganda. When you're talking about
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  Speaker 2: the South African government seizing land of white farmers because
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 2: they are white farmers and so forth. There are a
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  Speaker 2: lot of the reports that people are citing in the
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  Speaker 2: chat room are not actually factual and they're devoid of context.
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  Speaker 2: If you actually go and look at the legislation that
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  Speaker 2: started this for or that Elon was tweeting about, it's
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  Speaker 2: very clear in that legislation they're repealing in nineteen I
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  Speaker 2: think set seventy five seventy four apartheid era land appropriations
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  Speaker 2: piece of legislation, modernizing it, and it's under the guise
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  Speaker 2: of eminent domain. United States we have eminent domain laws,
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  Speaker 2: as do the UK and other European countries. All countries
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  Speaker 2: have eminent domain laws, and there are certain guidelines and
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  Speaker 2: rules for compensation for whether a land can be taken
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  Speaker 2: by the state for whatever reason. There is a process
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  Speaker 2: there and that's outlined in that legislation. Okay, it's on
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  Speaker 2: the government's website, So go to the South African government's
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  Speaker 2: website and see for yourself.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, thank you for that. We got to leave it
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  Speaker 1: much to Mark and Patrick for joining me today. Thank
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