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Owls on the threshold: Eerie connections between owls, UFO’s, and the gates of hell · Paranormal Lens - A Crossroads Of Curiosities, LLC Production

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Welcome back to Paranormal Lens, everybody. It
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is officially full swing into spooky season.
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Full disclosure, a little behind -the -scenes
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tidbit, if you will. We sat together a few weeks
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ago and we were like, hey guys, we got a new
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podcast. It's a spooky season. We should come
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up with some really engaging and critical topics
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and big topics that people might be really interested
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in researching and listening to us yammer on
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about. I had this pivotal time, us being a new
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podcast, Spooky Season, people really invested
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in the paranormal. That's how we came to the
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topic of Spooky Season itself, right? The Thin
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Veil. We also talked about Ed and Lorraine Warren.
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Big topic! We also talked about residual hauntings,
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dreams, nightmares, premonitions. And Angela
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chimed in in this business meeting. One of our
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first business meetings for this podcast. And
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she said, fuck that. Let's talk about owls. Welcome
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to our podcast, where we take deep dives looking
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at various topics through a paranormal lens.
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That's not what I said, Ben. I said, you know,
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I really want to talk about owls. And these two
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hooligans over here just started bursting out
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laughing. And I'm like, no, this is a serious
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topic. It's a serious topic. I can't believe
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you said hooligans with a straight face and you
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didn't say hooligans. Hooligans. This episode
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is going to be a hoot. Hoot. Sorry. Someone can
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laugh. Otherwise, it's just going to get awkward.
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Awkward. Owl turd? Okay. Did you guys ever, like,
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do a dissection of owl poop? Pellets? No. That's
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not poop. Owl pellets are not owl poop. They
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regurgitate it. Okay. Yeah, it's their regurgitation.
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They don't poop that out. Actually, I didn't
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know that because I thought it was poop. This
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is what really grinds Brandon's gears. Okay,
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so Brianna has actually, like, worked with owls,
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so she would know this. Wait, so - Yeah. Why
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are we talking about owls? Okay. Okay, I mean
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this, like, not as a joke. No, we're talking
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about owls because I wanted to talk about owls,
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and it's finally my turn to talk about owls.
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That's why we're talking about - Okay, but -
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No, no, no. But, like, what - Don't get offended
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when I say this, but, like - Do people believe,
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like, they're aliens or something? Or is this,
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like... There is a big connection between owls
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and aliens, actually. There's a big sightings
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of owls with UFO sightings or abductions or...
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Whatever. You know. What do you mean, whatever?
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There's a big... You say this nonchalantly, like...
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There's a big connection between them. There's
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owls or whatever. You need to fill in the gaps,
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Angela Wingard. Okay, well... What do you want
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me to start with? Did you take notes? Why do
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you have such an interest? Show the audience
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here. You have a whole notebook on strange owl
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sightings? I just have one page worth. I saw
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more than that. Where are we starting? Strange
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owl sightings associated with UFOs? I'll do what
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Brianna said. I'll talk about why. uh my weird
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owl obsession which isn't too much of a obsession
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it's just more it's just a fascination it's a
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fast and weird fascination of mine so when i
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was a kid i don't i was listening like what was
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it when i was a kid i was on my mom's bed we
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were reading together and we we fell asleep and
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so but every night she automatically has coast
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to coast on you know what coast coast is right
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no you don't know what it is it's the it's the
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radio show close to coast and talk about all
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weird shit on it like a bunch of weird things
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it can be normal things too sometimes but there's
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always some sort of weird like paranormal type
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of topics i have on there too um anyway Like,
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that's always playing every single night. Anyway,
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I woke up in the middle of the night to Coast
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to Coast playing. And they were talking about
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owls. I guess there was this one guy talking
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about the story of when he was a kid, he woke
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up in the middle of the night to these owls.
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um aliens right outside his window and that these
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aliens like turned like just turned around in
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a circle and like turned into like five foot
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owls or whatever and i can't remember if this
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is exactly it because i can't find this episode
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it just doesn't exist i don't know i don't know
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i was trying to look up episodes that might be
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kind of related To aliens and UFOs. And the most.
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They only talk about recent ones. And I can't
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find anything that would have been. When I was
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a kid. Or like early teenage years. What year
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about would this have been. In case anyone is
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like. Encyclopedia. I think 2009. 2010. So at
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some point in 2009. I can't say that for sure.
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But at some point around that time, 2009, 2010,
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there was a gentleman in the U .S. of A. that
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saw aliens at his door that then... Window. At
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his window, sorry. That were, like, were they
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just, like, hovering there? Were they trying
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to break in? I mean, this is the thing I can't
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remember exactly. But what I do remember is that...
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these aliens like turn into like five foot owls
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and they're just staring right into him and the
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thing why it really freaked me out is because
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here i am a youngster i woke up in the middle
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of night to hearing this shit and i'm looking
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right outside the like our windows that's like
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facing the woods and it just freaked me out i'm
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like that's the worst thing that i could have
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woken up to did you see an owl outside No, but
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when I think back at it, honestly, I don't have
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any memories before that of me ever hearing owls
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outside the windows, but I do have memories after
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that of me hearing owls hooting. What kind of
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owls? I could not tell you, honestly. I thought
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it was an owl because it sounded like it's doing
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like, you know what I mean? That's the best impression
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I can make of the owl. That sounds more like
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a wounded puppy. No, it was an owl. I was an
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owl and it was right outside my window. It's
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funny because memories can... It's just interesting
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the things that make an impression. That clearly
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made such an impression on you. you noticed every
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owl after that. Yeah, I have. Because it really
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creeped me out as that being this random thing
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I woke up to in the middle of the night. I don't
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know why. Are you sure you didn't dream it? That's
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the thing. It could have been a dream, so who
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knows. Someone out there needs to let us know.
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Is this a real episode? We haven't been able
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to find this exact episode. Do something when
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I was younger. How many episodes? This is a weekly
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show, right? There's a lot of them. I don't know
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how often they do it. I'm not an active listener
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to Coast to Coast unless I'm home. Back at my
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parents. There's a lot of episodes. I suggest
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listening to some of them. I always like it when
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Peggy Negri's on it. Peggy Negri. We love Peggy
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Negri. And Paraflux. in paraphilix yeah but yeah
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i don't know but it wasn't until like in high
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school when i just like thought about it randomly
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and i had an iphone i can just look anything
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up on a on a whim or whatever and i looked it
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up and i couldn't really find anything about
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the connections between owls and ufos but i guess
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it's kind of always been a thing for a while
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now there's i've always been a connection between
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owls and ufos but i couldn't really find anything
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at the time and i didn't really look anything
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else up after that but it looks things up this
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past week and i found a bunch of things about
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it so when did all these things go on the internet
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i feel like i've never heard of the connection
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of like of owls and with you and i feel like
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it's not something a lot of people talk about
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either no but it's it's once you hear about it
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and you look more into it you realize there is
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a bunch of people like i feel like you need to
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have some sort of an experience with an owl to
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know to realize oh there's some weird spooky
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that goes along with them owls you know yeah
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well i mean in like folklore and history and,
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you know, a lot of that sort of stuff. Owls have
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always been, like, a cultural representation.
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What the hell was that? Daisy's barking at me
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for some reason. Your dog? Daisy. That sounded
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more like an owl than Angela's weird -ass owl.
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Owl. Owl. Now she just shoved herself in a corner
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and is barking at me. I don't know why. She doesn't
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like this owl talk. Please stand by. Anyways,
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so in a lot of cultures, mythologies, folklores,
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owls have always been the representation of death
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or an omen of impending doom. And we even see
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that I think I've mentioned it to you guys before.
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um owl man who's actually like the european cousin
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of mothman who in america is like also a representation
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of a harbinger of impending doom it's the same
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in europe but he's owl man instead of mothman
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so across a lot of cultures owls are representations
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of whatever uh it's a sign of death a lot of
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that death or um Even birth. But, you know, there's
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a lot of other cultures that represent them as
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other things. Like, they're seen as, like, an
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icon of wisdom and knowledge in Greek mythology.
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They're seen a lot as, like, giving clarity and
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showing the truth. Messengers between between
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worlds. They're in between the realms and are
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able to transfer messages to people a lot. They're
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also seen as protection and guidance. It's very
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different across a lot of the cultures. Is it
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different, though? Because if they're literally
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on the threshold, so to speak... There's always
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synchronicities with them. But yeah, see, that's
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the thing. They are represented as a creature
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on the threshold between life and death, and
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therefore they have that connection between life
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and death. They're not solely bound to this planet.
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But that's another interesting thing, too, is
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when people are... a lot of like typical sightings
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too when people are doing like meditating or
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doing rituals or even on like psychedelic drugs
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to get you know get a clear mind about whatever
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owls are often a common sighting or vision that
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a lot of people have right and it comes up a
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lot when it's people trying to seek wisdom for
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themselves owls will pop up a lot i do want to
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add you know them being a threshold or a very
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liminal type of type of entity or uh you know
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at least in the folklore you know said to be
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on the threshold when you when you are walking
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that line they they it will often reflect back
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kind of like a mirror what you are what you stand
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for what you seek right if you are a person that
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needs help right and there's a lot wrong with
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you perhaps you will see the scary side of the
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owl but if you are a pure person so to speak
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and you uh come with good intent right and you
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just want some wisdom you'll see that side of
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it so let me pause for one second i'm sorry hang
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on again please stand by we also have a beautiful
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picture of brianna with an owl We can show right
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now. Look at that. I don't know if it's just
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like a perspective thing and now it's closer
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to the camera, but that's one big ass owl. It
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does look like a big owl, honestly. I wonder
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if it's earthbound. Earthbound? Earthbound. What
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do you mean by that? Like of this earth. I'm
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sorry, Daisy was shredding something and I didn't
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know what. Oh, you're good. We turned off the
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Please Stand By screen so we can kind of commentate
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on this owl picture you sent us. The Please Stand
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By screen is a picture of you and the owls. Yeah.
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Do you think this was an earthbound owl? Did
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you have any weird experiences around it? The
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picture I sent you guys? Yeah, that owl. No,
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no, no, no. Wait, you saw an owlbear? I was thinking
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the picture I sent earlier, like when I was doing
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research. Oh, I guess we'll show that picture.
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Now that we're showing that picture, can you
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please explain what the fucking owlbear is? It's
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a fantasy creature mostly seen in D &D. Time
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to put the picture of the owlbear that Brianna
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showed us over Snapchat earlier on. Yeah, I am.
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I'm showing it right now. Okay. For all the audio
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listeners, this is... I guess you can just fantasize
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over this fantasy D &D. I don't play D &D. I
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don't either. Now I'm scared. I guess I'm the
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only nerd. We're all nerds in our own way here
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in this group. Yeah. But what was the question
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about the other picture? Oh, the other picture.
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You posing. Yeah, you're posing with an owl.
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Yeah, so that was Boudica. Boudica. no i loved
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buddhica she was one of my favorite owls um i
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worked at a wildlife rehab facility and she was
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one of their ambassador birds so she would travel
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um and go to like schools and events so um the
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rehabilitation facility could teach people about
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the birds of prey and just wildlife rehab in
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general she um had a part of her wing amputated
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i don't remember how she lost her wing i think
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she might have been hit by a plane oh poor baby
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but maybe that's a different owl but buddhica
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and then um bard who was or was it yeah bard
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was uh he's a bard owl um were two of the birds
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that i handled and i helped with the ambassador
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program and i would travel with them um during
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the summer um oh that's so cute yeah i loved
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working with them But Boudica was especially
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my favorite because, of course, she's a great
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horned owl. Super cool. Do you know all the earthly
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owls? I do know a lot of them. What about unearthly
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owls? I've never met one. This brings... Oh,
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keep going, Ben. No, I was just going to ask,
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do you believe, Bree, that there are owls in
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this universe that are undiscovered and that
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we don't know exist? I mean, it's entirely possible
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there could be some sort of Amazonian species
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of owl that we don't know about. What about space
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owls? I don't know. Okay, this brings... People
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are loud out there. Anyway, people are loud out
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in the hallway. Someone like... hit a wall or
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something and it scared me. Is it an owl? Did
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you check? It might have been an owl. I don't
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know. I don't think it was an owl. Hey, if it's
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a five foot man, he might just start spinning
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around in circles. Spinning around and turning
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into an owl and you never know now. Anyway, this
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brings me into the question for you guys. Have
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you guys had any weird experiences whatsoever
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with any owls? In your life. No. Nothing. Ben.
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Recording this podcast is. This is a pretty strange
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experience for me. I was going to say. When I
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worked at the rehab facility. I saw one of the
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owls yawn. And that was a very weird experience.
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I don't know if you, I mean, you probably haven't
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seen an Owlion, but it is very weird looking.
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Can you describe? I don't even think I want to
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see it. I'll send you, I'll send a video that
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you can play. Okay, good. Yeah. Okay. Ben, what
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about you? No. Anything whatsoever. Am I the
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only one who has any? Okay, so I feel like I
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never really had any, like, truly, like, weird,
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weird experiences for anything that could go
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into a book about. owls and paranormal but i
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feel like i'm the only fucking one have you ever
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seen an owl just in general or yes okay yes this
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this goes into a story that i want to bring up
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too so what goes into okay so you know how i
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was talking about after that whole coast to coast
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episode and it was afterwards is when i started
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hearing owls outside outside at night outside
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my window and stuff And you were talking about
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immortal dread and doom and stuff, you know,
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Bree? You were talking about those a lot. I had
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that feeling with listening to the owls outside
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my window, like, late at night. I would just
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get extremely fucking scared, even though I could
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tell it's an owl. I was scared. It was terrifying
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hearing it. But couldn't that have been just
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some sort of subconscious hindsight? because
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you listened to that Coast to Coast episode.
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Okay, no, but this is interesting, though, to
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me. Angela, can you describe how many nightmares
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you have in your life? I have a lot of nightmares.
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An abnormally amount of nightmares, would you
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say? Well, I mean, I went on nightmare medicine
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for a little bit to help with my nightmares.
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Yes, you have so many nightmares that you're
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on medication for having nightmares. I was. Why
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did this owl thing stick in none of your actual
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nightmares? So describe this feeling of dread.
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Was it different than the feeling of dread you
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got during a nightmare that you had to be prescribed
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medication for? Was it more intense, more real,
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different? I guess maybe I don't know how to
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answer that question. more real because it was
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real i was a consciously awake listening to it
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right outside my window like i don't know why
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it freaked me out but it did but it's not the
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same thing because here's the thing about my
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nightmares my nightmares aren't it's obvious
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it's not real like the things that happen in
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my fucking like nightmares are out of worldly
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weird things that would never i mean yes sometimes
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it is but it's just a bunch of things together
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that just wouldn't really happen in real life
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you know what i mean yes and we talked last week
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a couple of your nightmares or in this case dreams
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you had potential premonitions visions and that
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didn't scare you so it's just you see what i'm
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getting at yeah but you see what i'm getting
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at this is interesting to me this feeling of
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doom knowing that nothing like why did this one
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random instance of waking up to hearing this
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coast to coast stick and nothing else even the
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stuff that had to be literally prescribed medication
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for i don't know getting stuck that's interesting
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i don't know i guess it just did because here's
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the thing i got woken up in the middle of the
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night and that's the first thing i hear Looking
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outside a pitch black window, and I'm like, oh
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crap, now there's an owl gonna pop out of nowhere.
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Five foot owl, I don't know. It's just so creepy
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weird to hear it late at night. Have you experienced
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this doom feeling ever before or again? No, because,
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well, not lately, because I mainly spend my time
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here in Lansing where there's no fucking wildlife.
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I meant just outside of owls. Like that feeling
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you got when you heard the owl. Have you experienced
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that feeling? Yeah, when you started screaming
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in the middle of the night. Okay. But now we're
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getting somewhere. Now you got me on board on
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this podcast, okay? I had no idea what this owl
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shit was heading to. But now I'm interested.
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Now I'm intrigued. So when you were a kid, when
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you were... How old were you in 2000? You were
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a 2000 baby, right? Yeah, I'm 2000. If this was
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when I think it was in 2009 or 2010, I probably
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would have been 9 or 10. Okay, so this 9 -year
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-old girl wakes up to a random Coast to Coast
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episode. You probably woke up to a lot of Coast
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to Coast episodes. I know how restless of a sleeper
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you are, Angela. It is very far -fetched and
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out there to... You know, to pretend like this
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is the only time around when you were a kid that
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you woke up in the middle of the night, you probably
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woke up multiple times every night as a kid to
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coast to coast. But randomly, this one episode
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about owls, not even like doesn't even sound
24:30
too scary. It's just aliens. turning around transforming
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into owls or something like that i couldn't tell
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you exactly that for some reason scared you and
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something inside of you responded and resonated
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and then every time you heard an owl which you
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don't remember ever hearing before but your mind
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was super in tune to the sound of an owl ever
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since then kind of like a bell you know was your
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one sound um and you felt something That you've
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never felt before. Even during your nightmares.
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That you literally had to get prescribed medication
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for these nightmares. This was a different feeling.
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Something deeper. Something you couldn't quite
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put your finger on. The next time you felt this.
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Was. Like 15, 16 years later. When I. Waking
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up from a dream. Saw the dweller on the threshold.
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A threshold entity. Owls are threshold entities.
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I had a dream. And woke up from a dream screaming.
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Before I forget, this is another feeling of dread
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I had, too. It's the only other time I really
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had a true dread, dread feeling in my nightmares.
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It's that I once had a dream that I was on at
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the gates of hell. And that was truly one of
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the scariest. That's a threshold! Yeah, I know.
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That's truly one of the scariest. How could I
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forget? This was literally one of the worst dreams
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I have ever had in my life. It was scary, but
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this is also going to sound really funny, but
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there was a demon on the gates of hell and it
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was a demon format Patrick Star from Spongebob.
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But he was terrifying and really scary. Did he
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sound like, hey demons, it's your boy. I swear
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to God, Angela, I never know what's going to
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come out of your stories. ever like every single
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story is a roller coaster it's like yeah i had
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a terrible dream that like really really affected
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me through my life and and i was in hell and
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there was a demon guarding the gates of hell
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it was patrick star was it the patrick star with
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the fishnets from the spongebob movie No, no,
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it was, I couldn't even tell you, but I'm just
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saying that was like one of the demons that was
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like on the gates of hell. Oh my God. I never
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looked at Pactric Star the same since then. And
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you know what really sucks though too is that
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every time I do see a clip with Pactric Star
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and I see how stupid he is, I'm just like. that's
27:22
so unhumanly like because who's that stupid in
27:26
real life that I'm like, okay, maybe he is a
27:28
demon even in the show. I think you learned about
27:32
me. Yeah, but this is intriguing. So when you
27:36
say it resembled Patrick Star, do you mean the
27:39
star shape? Yes, it was like a giant version
27:42
of Patrick Star. Okay. Just more demon looking
27:46
like. Okay. okay like one of those hyper realistic
27:51
episodes of uh spongebob kind of honestly kind
27:56
of okay i couldn't tell you when this dream was
28:00
but i do remember that and that was an absolute
28:02
that was like a true like dread like fear type
28:07
of dream i had which it sounds so stupid once
28:10
i know it doesn't it doesn't this is this is
28:13
ironically the least stupid thing i've heard
28:15
Oh, episode. Okay, so we also, by the way, did
28:18
a whole episode about Nightmares and Dreams last
28:20
week, and you failed to remember Patrick Stardemon.
28:23
I did. Yeah, I don't know how I forgot about
28:27
that, honestly. You really gotta get something
28:31
that triggers that memory for me to talk about
28:34
that. And whatever we were just talking about
28:36
triggered that. Owls! This podcast is about owls.
28:41
What's the topic? It's owls! Somehow we're talking
28:47
about Hellspawn Patrick stars from Spongebob,
28:51
but hyper -realistic in demon form. Sound like
28:56
you said Hellsponge? Hellsponge. Yes. Are you
29:03
ready, kids? Aye, aye, aye, Captain. Oh, who
29:09
lives against the hell under the sea? patrick
29:12
star oh anyway let's get back to the topic about
29:20
okay no no i'm not done yet no no i need to ask
29:23
you more questions okay keep going to derail
29:26
this to something that's more interesting um
29:28
no offense um so no but this is interesting to
29:34
me it's impossible to ignore now that These owls
29:40
could be a... I don't know, like... I'm, like,
29:50
just thinking out loud here, so forgive me if
29:53
this doesn't make sense, but could they be, like,
29:54
watchers of the threshold? Could they be... Yeah,
29:59
they do say that a lot about them. Yeah, so,
30:01
like, they are not the entities, but they are
30:04
the eyes for the entities, the earthbound. They
30:06
can fly around. Yeah. and for the watchers yeah
30:11
the threshold it's really interesting to me that
30:13
perhaps the reason why um some people pass by
30:21
an owl and don't see this and and the reason
30:24
some people get deathly afraid is like i said
30:26
before about you know threshold entities essentially
30:30
being like a mirror and reflecting back what
30:32
what you put into them right so um i don't know
30:36
could it be um Also a warning sign if you're
30:40
getting deep into paranormal stuff. You know,
30:42
you said they were counting around UFO sightings
30:44
because they'd be a byproduct or a symptom, so
30:46
to speak, of the other activity going on. Didn't
30:48
you also, Angela, when you were a kid, have paranormal
30:51
activity happen at your house for like a year
30:53
or two? Yeah, like mimicking type of things.
30:56
When was that? Was that around the same time?
30:58
I could not tell you. I think more teenage years.
31:02
Okay, you need to figure out when that happened,
31:04
because I'm willing to bet some weird stuff was
31:06
happening in your life around that time. I couldn't
31:10
tell you, because I remember I asked my mom,
31:14
and I would tell her about this mimicking thing
31:16
when I would hear my dad yell across the house,
31:18
but he's at work. Or one time it was me and my
31:21
mom alone at the house, and then I heard my sister,
31:26
Emma, yell out. from at her in her room and but
31:32
she wasn't home at the time too but i i remember
31:35
bringing these things up to my mom like a few
31:38
years ago and she was like i don't remember any
31:39
of this i'm like how do you not remember any
31:42
of this this stuff was weird and it creeped us
31:43
out i remember mom that you were weirded out
31:46
and creeped out about this stuff when this happened
31:49
i don't know weird maybe it was the owls maybe
31:56
it was the owls When you talk about that, though,
32:00
because you're talking about when there's, like,
32:06
the threshold, you know, between the realms and
32:14
stuff, and how when people get too close to that
32:16
threshold, it's usually this big fear and dread
32:20
that comes across these people, you know? Usually
32:26
when I hear the sound of owls when I get waking
32:29
up in the middle of the night, it's this fear.
32:33
And kind of closely resembles to these other
32:39
experiences I've had that gotten close to the
32:43
threshold, you know, which is kind of weird.
32:46
It's a good connection you made. You know what's
32:50
really odd and bizarre? is I'm feeling creeped
32:55
out right now. Why? And I haven't felt creeped
33:00
out. I haven't felt creeped out recording this
33:04
podcast. I don't think ever. I mean, like...
33:07
Are we making too much of a connection right
33:10
now? I don't... I just... I feel... I don't know.
33:16
It's something to pay attention to because you
33:17
guys know that I thought this was the dumbest
33:20
topic. I didn't do any research. i was just i
33:24
thought it was going to be a hoot a hoot whoo
33:28
okay but explain explain this fear that you're
33:31
talking about the feeling i i feel like you have
33:34
some sort some some sort of trauma too that talking
33:40
about when your experiences was thresholds in
33:46
your experiences with it you have some sort of
33:48
trauma with it because you experience some really
33:50
scary things sometimes Ben is that why you're
33:53
getting like nervous suddenly well it's the same
33:56
feeling as like talking about that dream that
34:00
we talked about last week so yes perhaps it has
34:03
something to do with that it's all wrapped up
34:05
so not to derail the conversation about owls
34:11
too much but the fact that it could be watchers,
34:14
so to speak, of these thresholds is interesting,
34:19
especially since we did just get and haven't
34:24
used yet an old altar bell that's in the shape
34:31
of an owl. When did we get this? I got it. It
34:35
should be right in front of you. Let me grab
34:38
it. I got it. I see it. It's literally right
34:42
in front of me in front of the TV. That's really
34:49
weird, honestly, though, because I totally forgot
34:52
about it. The fact that it's an owl, that's really
34:55
funny. That is actually pretty interesting. I
34:58
find it interesting with the documentary we did
35:01
on the Dweller and everything that owls didn't
35:04
actually come up sooner. Why? I never knew any
35:09
of this until this moment. No, I know, but like...
35:11
Here it is. Since they're, like we've been saying,
35:14
they are... Don't ring it, Angela. I think we
35:19
gotta fix it. That's a good thing. Don't ring
35:22
it on this podcast. Not right now. Not when we're
35:24
talking about this stuff. But being that they,
35:27
like we're saying, they're possible representations
35:31
or are beings that are on the threshold or watchers.
35:37
that is kind of like what the Dweller is. And
35:41
it's kind of interesting that we haven't really
35:46
made that connection previously. Or explored
35:50
it previously. Well, it is interesting, too,
35:53
because after we screened the film Dweller at
35:58
the Midwest Weirdfest in Eau Claire, Did we have
36:01
an hour experience? No, but we had this weird
36:04
moment where Literally, as we were crossing state
36:08
lines, as we were crossing the threshold, this
36:11
car came out of nowhere. Oh, we almost died.
36:13
Yeah, we got in this crazy accident. The fact
36:15
that no one got hurt was insane. And come to
36:20
find out, that county, randomly, is known for
36:25
being a fluke spot in the Midwest where a lot
36:28
of Mothman sightings are encountered. So that's
36:30
a Mothman area. So it's interesting, too. That
36:34
there's like this owl man. Tell me more about
36:36
this owl. Is it just like a different... It's
36:39
just a different iteration of Mothman. It's just
36:42
the European version. It's literally... I just
36:48
vaguely remember doing research on him at one
36:51
point for MSU Paranormal Society. Anyway. What
36:58
was I going to say? I was wine... To bring up
37:02
another little story of a owl thing I had once.
37:10
But it's just going to be random now. What is
37:14
it? What happened? Well, this is more of like
37:17
a cute little story type of thing. Well, you
37:21
know, well, Ben, you know for sure that behind
37:25
my parents' house is a park that used to be my...
37:29
like grandparents and my great aunts and uncles
37:31
and great great grandparents that owned it like
37:36
they lived on that property it was the farm um
37:39
but i remember the one of the first times uh
37:45
i walked through that park shortly after it becoming
37:48
an actual park and um part of the county and
37:53
stuff We were all walking together, and there
37:56
was this owl sitting in the tree. And it was
37:59
plain as a day, as I never really seen an owl
38:01
during the daytime, too, which is kind of interesting.
38:04
But it was clear as day, like, sitting on one
38:07
of the branches right outside there. It's, like,
38:09
close enough where we could touch it. And I got
38:11
a picture of it somewhere. I would have to dig
38:13
through my phone, but I thought that's really
38:17
interesting. Because they were talking about
38:19
how... It's kind of like a messenger, kind of,
38:23
or like a watcher. And sometimes, too, people
38:26
feel owls as kind of like past loved ones, too,
38:33
sometimes. Like, what's the word? It resembles
38:40
death at times. And I was thinking, oh, maybe
38:45
that's like, my grandma had that big feeling,
38:47
too, when she saw the owl at the time. kind of
38:50
got the feeling it was like maybe her dad like
38:54
coming a reincarnation reincarnation of maybe
38:57
like her dad coming to walk the trails with us
39:02
at the time too because the weird thing too about
39:05
that owl was that when we were walking down like
39:10
it would kind of follow us on the trail a little
39:13
bit like it was first time we saw the owl it
39:16
was right on a branch like eye level we could
39:18
touch it and it was just there looking at us
39:20
and we'd keep walking and all of a sudden the
39:23
owl would come and fly down the path with us
39:25
a little bit stay at a close enough distance
39:28
away from us but it would follow us slowly through
39:30
the path and my grandma just like she I remember
39:33
her talking about how she had these like goosebumps
39:39
saying how it was like maybe her dad or her past
39:44
loved ones that lived on the property with her
39:47
just joining her for the first stroll through
39:50
the park one of the first strolls through the
39:52
park and i thought that was a very cute thing
39:55
too yeah it is cute i think that's a great way
40:00
to end this too um not on a note of fear but
40:04
as uh as we said you know if these hours can
40:07
be threshold type of entities. And on note of,
40:11
you know, kind of... Yeah, owls don't always
40:15
have to be scary. They can be a nice... They
40:19
can go along with a lot of good, too. Yeah. I
40:23
mean, they can also just be an animal. It could
40:26
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40:47
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41:06
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41:16
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41:22
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41:30
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