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#35 - For Azeroth! "The Shadow Hunter" · For Azeroth!: A World of Warcraft Podcast

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Hello, everyone, and welcome to for Azeroth the podcast, all
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about World of Warcraft. I'm your host Jocelyn.
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You guys remember me, obviously, from the first 34 episodes, but
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now we have moved away from a move TV and I have a new
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co-host. I want you all to welcome Mani.
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Thank you. So Much for joining me.
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Manny thanks for having me on board.
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It's really great to be part of this.
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I am so excited. If you guys aren't familiar with
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whom Annie is he has been a mod in the, a move, chat room for a
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very long time. He's a member of my RAID team.
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He is just, as far as I'm concerned.
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A wow, Guru, he knows all of the things but I'm not going to tell
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you everything that he knows. I'm going to let him do that.
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So many. Why don't you tell everybody
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kind of your history with Warcraft and what you bring to
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the table? Well in class.
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Asik meme status. I've been playing since vanilla
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and as soon as you talk to somebody who's been playing
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since vanilla, they're going to tell you that.
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I just had to get that out there.
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But I being rating since molten core, I left the game for a
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little bit, came back because nobody ever really quits.
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Wow, it's so dark and yeah, like that's been my focus in.
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Wow, I've been doing rating at different levels through, like,
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heroic when that was top level to the introduction of Mythic
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Fallen. Back into being like, an elf,
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our hero for a bit and then now stepping back into the heroic
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arena with get your crit together and you also, you do a
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lot of, not only like, PVP stuff.
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Because I know you're one of the few Raiders on our team and I'm
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including myself in this who actually goes and does, like,
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PVP dailies and all that kind of stuff.
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So you've got a little bit of PVP to bring to the table as
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well as you run Mythic pluses like crazy.
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I do Mythic buses. Yes, but not like crazy.
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There are Groups that go through that and they're hitting 20s.
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And so forth on the regular, I do my 15 Claire, so that I get a
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nice piece in my chest and I'm able to a few more.
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But I would, definitely not say, I'm crazy for Mythic plus I do
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spend a lot of time with like the general Community.
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I'm in the discourse, I talked to various size Theory Crafters
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because I love systems. Like, if you're the or person
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and Garrett was the Aesthetics and graphics.
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I am definitely a guy who loves the systems of wow and like how
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things are determined? Exactly.
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That's what I mean by visit plus like crazy because honestly, I
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can't even remember the names of the ethics is.
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So I'm really, really glad to have you onboard because I think
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that you bring just a great wealth of knowledge to the show.
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So with all that being said, we should jump right into the news
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because we have a big show for you guys this week.
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We are bringing back our new segment.
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We are still going to cover lure and we're also Adding a new
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segment to the show all about Community tools and add-ons, for
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World of Warcraft. So that being said, if you guys
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have any add-ons that you want us to talk about in later
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episodes of for Azeroth, we're going back to a weekly format.
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So we need all of your input and we want to know what add-ons you
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use and what add-ons you're curious about that, you'd like
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to hear us dive into. So, let's get into the news
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here. First of all, we had an alpha Q
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and A that happened on March 15th with Ian and Josh, and they
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covered a new Allied race. The Azurite system and PVP
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Prestige reward. So it was there there normal
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like one hour, long conversation with kind of pre-chosen
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questions and we did get some answers to some of the things
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that I know I've been wondering about a lot as a PVP player but
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probably the biggest news was that, they actually confirmed
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that the cool Turin are actually going to be.
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These are the conspiracy hero, our hero human humans are not
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Heroes, the culture and human models.
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I have now been there confirmed. They're going to be an Allied
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race. And the models are currently a
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viewable on Wowhead. So many.
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Have you seen the? I'm sure you've seen them.
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But what are your thoughts on the culture and human models and
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their Druid counterparts? As you can actually see their
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shape shifted forms to Karen's look amazing in their glorious
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forms. I love the male ones because
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they look, whether they look like they have a story behind
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them. The females, look, a Little to
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do. I'd I wish they would like rough
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them up more but same opinion. When I saw the male's, I was
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like yeah, they look like big Gruff, like Sailors.
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But then I looked at the females, I was like, hmm, I
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don't know about this. And in the storyline in the
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alpha without going to spoilers, they have females that are rough
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and tumble and ready to hang out with just everybody but those
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models just look too soft. Yeah.
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Soft is a really good word for it?
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I do like, however, that they are kind of playing with some
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different body types. So the culture and seem to be
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much taller and wider and bigger than the traditional human.
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Ian model. So I feel like I enjoy the fact
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that they're just playing around with those body types.
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I think it's, you know, long overdue and World of Warcraft to
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have a little bit more representation in that way, but
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I didn't love the Druid, the bear form, I don't know if you I
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mean you must have seen it but it looks weird to me.
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Everyone is freaking out about them and so excited and I was
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kind of like oh, I don't know, there's too many sticks.
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Well it's that in. Fire wicker feel that they have
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all through kill terrorists. That they've brought into it.
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So it very much, makes sense in a lore standpoint.
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When you get there, you'll see it doesn't make sense.
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I do like that, it's not a universal appeal.
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They have said that they want these new Allied races to be at
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the same level, not above beer, original races.
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So having them be different separate, but at that same level
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and maybe a niche, if not, universally attractive is
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Awesome. Same thing with the zandalari,
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trolls, those dinosaur forms, or cool, for some people, and
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really wear it for others, and that's great for me.
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Yeah. And actually touching on the
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point. You just made, they're talking
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about how they want Allied races to be, kind of on the same level
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as the original Races. They also did talk a little bit
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about how They were going to do or like how Heritage armor for
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the original races isn't in the immediate plans, but that it was
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definitely something that they were thinking about moving
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towards, which makes sense. Because again, they don't want
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people to just all start playing Allied races because they don't
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like don't have Heritage armor for their, you know, human or
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blood elf, you know. So I like the idea that they are
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first of all, keeping the factions balanced and bringing
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Allied races in pairs, and then also that they're considering
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kind. Dove giving more.
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I don't necessarily know if I want to call it back story, but
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just kind of like, flushing out some of the older races, to put
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them on par with the Allied Races, by doing things like
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Heritage armor and I imagine, like, the original races are
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never going to be like unlockable.
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The way that the Allied races are but it would be really nice
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to have an, I guess they kind of do in some of their starting
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zones, but like I just, I really like the the initial stuff that
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you do to unlock the Allied races.
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Like Thing to gain rep with factions and and playthroughs,
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own stories and stuff. So, some of those kind of tweaks
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to original races, would be really cool to have, and I think
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Heritage armors the top of that list.
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Most definitely, like I love the Heritage armor for the new
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Allied races. I do love the introduction Crest
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on, how you bring them in. It's very much like a natural
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expansion to the way they've been bringing story more into
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the game. When you were doing the Goblins,
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they have their introduction storyline but If you didn't roll
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a goblin they just start showing up in Orgrimmar.
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This is very much like this is how they become part of the part
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of the team. And I do love that I do love
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that they're trying to do the storyline for or for bringing
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the factions in. And yes that's part of what
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battle for a sawed-off is about Gathering forces so we can fight
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each other but this seems to be the way.
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A they're going to go about bringing in races going forward.
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Yes. Yeah.
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Which I love. I think it's a great idea.
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It's so much nicer than just like they kind of started this.
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I feel like with the pandas because you got the panda
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starting zone and you didn't have to choose a hoarder
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Alliance until you hit Level 10. So it kind of gave an
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introduction to the wondering aisle and who the pandas were as
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a race and everything else before you picked faction or
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anything like that. So I feel like that was the
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first kind of experiment with telling a little bit more of a
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racial story. Re and I think it succeeded and
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I'm glad that they're carrying it forward, with Allied races.
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The other thing, a couple of other things that we pulled from
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the Q&A that we wanted to tell you guys about were that.
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They told us a little bit more about what's going to happen to
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our artifact weapons. So apparently it's going to be a
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while before we replace our artifact weapons with like
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Quest, reward weapons, and things like that in battle for
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Azeroth. So our artifact weapons are
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still going to be in use and intact with are relics, but all
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of the traits will be going away.
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So there Essentially going to like burn away, all the power of
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our artifacts that sounds like and we will just be left with
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like a bow that's of a certain item level.
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So I don't know if that means that we're going to keep the
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item level that we currently have.
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Like I think my artifact weapon is currently around like 970 or
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980. I'm sure Manny's is much much
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higher. So yeah, I don't know if we're
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going to kind of stay at that power level.
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Or if it's going to drop down a little bit.
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But one way or another artifact weapons are going to stay with
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us from the sounds of it almost as long as our legendaries,
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because they also talked a little bit about how they wanted
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item level again, which was the, the kind of Direction they took
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about half way through Legion, they wanted item level to be
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more important than secondary stats.
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At least if it was like a more than a 10 item level difference.
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So, I feel like we're going to hang onto our artifact weapons
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for at least half of battle, for They're off through the leveling
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process probably to wear it like 115 or so at least that was the
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impression I got. That's the impression they're
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giving. It does depend on a couple of
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things with the nether light for Crucible.
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You get like a bunch of eye level there.
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If that shut off suddenly your item level drops.
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That's true. Yeah, you'd lose what?
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15 item levels just from losing it.
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They did say that you're relics would remain intact but yeah
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you're right. It depends if those kind of
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extra bonuses because those were extra bonuses to trace on your
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weapon other than just the eye level boost.
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So if they're burning away all of our traits that and disabling
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everything, then it would stand to reason that the relics would
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then get disabled at least the buff part of them.
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So maybe they mean that you'll just keep your Relic with.
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It's like what's the word I'm looking for like base item level
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intact? But yeah, we'll have to see but
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at least they gave us a little bit of an idea.
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How do you feel about? Out, hanging onto your artifact
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weapon and then just generically replacing it.
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When you find a higher item level from questing in battle
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for Azeroth. Like do you wish that it had
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just been? They were straight-up destroyed
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as opposed to like disabled. I wish they could do that, but I
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understand why they can't, when you're going between seven point
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three point, five to eight point, oh, it's just such a
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major change. You going to have new systems
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come in and if your artifact Was available when you had those new
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systems, it would change the way classes work.
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If you have been paying attention to what they've been
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doing on the PTR, for actually seven point three point five.
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They actually showed the quest how you're getting rid of your
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artifacts or what happens to them, as well as the effect of
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what happens when your artifacts are changed.
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I'm pretty sure that's going to be a force thing in a porno
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where the effect will happen regardless, write that little As
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chain. And that happening would be a
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great little send-off is just that mechanically we can't send
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them off like that. It's really I think it's really
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too bad because what I would like to see is like that
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question play out. However it's going to play out
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and I am not as up on the PTR as many as so.
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I'm not 100% sure what the end result of that question is I've
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kind of like had been avoiding spoilers until we decided to
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bring Faz back and then I was like, oh crap, I'm literally
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like two months behind on all All of this BF a kind of PTR
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stuff so I need to I need to catch up and so I missed this
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what's actually going to happen with our artifact weapons.
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So I guess I kind of wish that at the end of that question, our
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weapons were just straight up destroyed and then you were
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given like a token or something that just gave you a new weapon
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to use that somehow or like your weapon.
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Destroyed. And then you were given a few
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upgrade tokens like and then given like, say a base 920 Bo
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I'm a Hunter. So I'm going to use bows and
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example and then you had like same item level had originally
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been 980 on the artifact weapon. I destroyed they just gave me
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enough tokens to upgrade the bow from a 929 to a 980.
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So that functionally, I still had a powerful eye level weapon
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to go into battle for Azeroth with so that I wasn't kind of
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penalized in any way. For all the work there.
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Like I guess I'm being rewarded for all the work that I did in
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Legion to upgrade my artifact weapon.
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But the artifact weapon then was like gone gone because I feel
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weird like just I know it's going to feel weird when it
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happens that my hunter just picks up like a green or a blue
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bow and that's just, you know, then I just throw my, you know,
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Talent cloth spear to the side or you notice it totally don't
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even care about like the windrunner, sisters bow.
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Like I have a Leary has All right.
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Now like why would I throw that away?
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It just the sentimental value there.
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I would have preferred it to just be sacrificed instead of
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like disabled. I don't know but I just feel
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like if I destroyed the doomhammer because I am a shaman
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through it, that's what I've always played.
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I've got 12 know, I have 13. Shamans that I've made over the
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course of wow history. You have 13 different shama car,
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they all like max level right now.
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No what happens is that I'll leave one at 60 I'll leave one
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at 7000. I used to have a thing where I
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would level up a new Shaman every expansion and then there
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was my dalliance on the Alliance side but again it's okay you're
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forgiven it's good to have an alliance player on the podcast
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to be honest because I haven't done a whole lot of playing on
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the Alliance side. Garrett hasn't played on the
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Alliance side since Lich King I think so it's nice to have a
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little Bit of an alliance voice here.
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I'm sure a lot of the listeners are going to be really, really
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happy about that. If what representation I can.
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But basically the way that they're going with artifact
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weapons and the way that they are disabled, actually makes
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sense or wise that you would still have it.
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It wouldn't have those abilities anymore and that eventually you
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have to replace it because it no longer grants you, the power
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that you used. To have and then if later in the
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lore, they say, hey for all picks up the doomhammer after
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some random his Heroes dropped it.
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And he manages to get past what the hero couldn't then the
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doomhammer is back in play because he's our storied
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artifacts for the most part that for the ones that they just made
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up. That is true.
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I guess. I hope that there and I guess
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this is probably lore on a level of like I'm one of the few that
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would actually care about this but I Love if there was just
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that little piece of flavor that when you do replace your
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artifact weapon that like it started a quest like when it was
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back in your bags or something. You got a quest saying like Go
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see thrall to give him back. The doomhammer go see Illyria
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and you know, give her back her bow and you know, just do some
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some sort of like rap the lore up thing.
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But you're right. When it comes to like the the
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very storied artifacts it would be and I guess all the artifacts
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have at have a story now, but some of them like the doomhammer
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or a little bit more well, known than the others.
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But yeah, I just, I would like that little kind of bow on the
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top of the artifact weapon story, but I'm sure not gonna
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get it. But at least, It does leave the
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door open for them to tell more stories with those iconic
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weapons in the future. So, It's at least it's
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interesting to know what the hell they kind of planned to use
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the artifact weapons going forward into battle for Azeroth.
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The other thing that we've been doing a lot of lately is PVP
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deals. And I have been streaming PVP on
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Thursdays and we finally got some news about PVP rewards.
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So, the prestige system, which you guys may or may not be
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familiar. With is basically, when you're
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going through, doing PVP activities, you're rewarded with
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honor which is kind of like the PVP XP if you want to think of
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it like that. And you level up and then once
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you hit Level 50, it resets and sends you down to level 1 again,
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but you are then prestiged. And then you get prestige levels
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that go up and then every few levels of prestige.
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So you have to level all the way to 50.
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Every time before you can proceed again, you there's
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things. Like there, are, Companion,
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Pets, there are melts. There are titles.
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I think are their armor pieces as well.
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I can't remember. The armor isn't associated with
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The Prestige, but you do get different tints on your artifact
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weapon. That's it.
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And I love the prestige system, but it's 50 levels of grind.
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It's a big grind. I think, my hunter is the
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highest Prestige and she's only perceived level 2 because I
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didn't start really pvping in this expansion until very
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recently, just really Legion season six is the only one that
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I've And a lot of time pvping and because up until then there
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was so much more to do in the game, which is, you know, good
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job on you blizzard because in Warlords of Draenor, I was
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pvping almost from the start because the PVE content board
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the crap out of me. So they did such a good job.
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At least. I feel like they did such a good
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job in Legion that I was kind of distracted by everything else
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and I didn't give PVP a whole lot of time.
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So I haven't received very high yet but you're right.
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Manny like oh man those 50 levels of grind and the higher
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you prestige like the first time.
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You go through level 1, I think it's worth.
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Like you need to get like a hundred honor to progress
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through level 1 and then when your prestige 1 level 1 it's
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like 150. And then at Prestige to level 1,
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it's 200. So the levels get progressively
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harder as well. So, yeah, the amount of Honor XP
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that you have to earn in order to proceed is just Just man,
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it's a mountain. But the rewards.
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The mounts are really cool. And the fact that they're not
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going away means that, hey, I've got the time to do it.
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So I don't feel like I'm on such a clock, like I used to, which
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is great. Yeah, I don't really know.
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I guess for a while, the messaging coming out of Blizzard
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was very much like we're not really sure what we're going to
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do with the prestige system. We don't want to just keep
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adding more and more prestige levels like on top of what we
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currently have. So it's kind of interesting that
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they didn't tell us ahead of time, but I guess they finally
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just made up their mind to say like, okay, we're just going to
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leave it. As it is they probably went and
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looked it kind of everyone's prestige level and went, huh?
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There's not nearly, as many people that have maxed out their
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Prestige, as we thought there were going to be.
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So we'll just leave it in and don't touch it.
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And you know, you can earn the rewards going forward which I
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think is a smart decision. I know at least when we do
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battle grounds and stuff and it's probably has to do with
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matchmaking as well, but like we might have one or two people on
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like between both teams who are over level 10.
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Prestige. Most people have like, one two
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or three levels of prestige and again that could be matchmaking
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because I don't play very often. So I'm being matched with other
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people who have lower PVP levels but I don't know.
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I don't see that many people in my day-to-day pvping who have
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perceived levels above, you know, 5 or 10.
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Well, the population, actually, Mo Champion actually did a graph
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of people who have Prestige at different levels and maybe I'll
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try and Link that in the show notes for later.
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But the amount of people below level 3 is actually most of the
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population. Hmm, that makes sense.
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So yeah, I can see why when most of their and even then when you
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think of like, I don't actually know the percentage of players
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who take part in PvP Versus the percentage of total players.
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But I feel like the majority of people that I know and I play
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with do not PVP. So I know there's a whole PVP
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Realms and it's possible that I'm just, you know, not as in
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touch with the PVP Community, As I Am with, You know, the PVE
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Community because our Guild is 99.9%.
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PVE are so it could just be that.
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I'm a little bit at a touch but it feels to me like the PVP
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population is much much smaller. Taller than PVE.
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So then if you look at that and then also the fact that most of
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those PV peers are below the three Prestige, precious three,
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third Prestige threshold, who just has words, then, it makes
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sense that if not very many players have actually gotten to
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4 or higher than, you know, why take the rewards away if
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nobody's kind of gotten there yet.
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So, I'm glad they're keeping it in.
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I'm going to keep working on it, past Legion, and looking forward
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to all the PVP that's going to happen in.
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Battle for Azeroth. That's honestly.
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The thing I'm looking for looking forward to the most.
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We also got a little bit more information about the mission
22:59
system that they've basically that's like your the followers
23:03
system where you're sending your Champions out to do different
23:06
things for you. It's the same thing that we had
23:09
back in Garrison's. The kind of got update a little
23:11
bit for Legion sticking around, but it's going to be mostly tied
23:15
to the war campaign. And the thing that I wanted to
23:17
mention the most, in the thing that I'm most happy about is
23:20
they've decided to move. Move away from using it as a
23:22
Time gate which I'm dating in Legion.
23:24
Was my biggest pet peeve with the expansion and I'm sure that
23:27
it's happened before but I think Legions the first expansion
23:30
where I've really been on The Cutting Edge of endgame content
23:34
and there's nothing more frustrating and Legion for me
23:37
than the time gating. What about you Manny?
23:39
I'm dating is like my second worst experience in.
23:43
Wow, I remember back in Wrath of the Lich King or ICC, they time
23:49
gated wings. And it was, this was before LFR,
23:53
and this was on heroic level where you go in and you could
23:57
try as much as you want. But if you were not at week 4,
24:01
you could not get into a certain way.
24:02
Yeah, I do remember Garrett talking about that too.
24:05
So it's it's interesting that they implemented that before.
24:09
L FR was a thing because that's the system they use for LFR now,
24:12
right, where they unlock, like one week at a time, but normal
24:15
and heroic full raids are available right from the launch
24:18
date, now, right? When you have your, we Week 1
24:21
launch. It'll be normal heroic.
24:23
And then the next week, mythical open up and alif are staggered
24:26
over a couple of weeks, right? I'd forgotten the Mythic cuz
24:30
obviously we don't read Mythic so I'd forgotten that Mythic
24:32
wasn't the same week as normal and heroic.
24:34
So but yeah so I'm glad that it seems like they're moving away
24:38
from time gaining because there were a couple times in the
24:42
leveling experience and then again I feel like in 7.2, there
24:47
were a few times 0 and your order Hall had some As to where
24:52
you had to send your Champions out on missions and they ended
24:54
up, shortening it for the leveling process and for the
24:57
order halls. But you had to send your, your
24:59
Champions out on missions and some of them would take eight to
25:02
12 hours. So you're sitting there like
25:04
basically stalled on your main character waiting for these
25:07
Champions to do these artificially gated missions.
25:10
So, I'm glad that they're moving away from that speaking of time
25:14
gating. And moving away from things,
25:17
they did talk a little bit more about the Azurite system saying
25:19
that Fact, knowledge was terrible for Alton Legion
25:23
originally, which I don't think either.
25:25
One of us is going to disagree with, I didn't start with my ALT
25:28
until might have even been 7.2, but the Azurite system is going
25:33
to function a little bit more like artifact knowledge
25:35
currently does. So I'm assuming that's going to
25:38
mean something along the lines of it will probably still be
25:41
time gated. But like at the end of week one,
25:45
everyone is at the same as a right level.
25:47
And then at the end of week two, everyone progresses.
25:49
So, if I log into an Week 3, I don't start back at week, one
25:53
levels. I just started week three
25:54
levels, that's at least what I gathered from this.
25:57
Yeah, definitely. They've learned their lesson
25:59
from early, Legion, early Legion, you had to like put in
26:03
the resources and if you're short resources, you fell behind
26:07
and it felt like a penalty. People would start the game late
26:10
and they wouldn't be able to catch up and people would start
26:13
alts because they wanted to switch tunes and they wouldn't
26:15
be able to catch up. Yeah, I remember.
26:18
So I leveled in the first like week with my Hunter and I was
26:23
intending on playing my Hunter and rating with my Hunter and
26:26
everything else. And then when we started get
26:28
your crit together, we needed a Healer and I had to switch over
26:31
to Paladin and that was 7.1. I want to say and trying to get
26:39
my Paladin to be at the level that it was ready to raid was so
26:44
frustrating and such a long grind.
26:46
And I was so far behind everyone else that I wasn't even able to
26:50
like And I mean, okay, not that I wasn't able but I don't like
26:54
the feeling of being carried through things and that's really
26:58
what it felt like when I would do dungeons with my friends or
27:00
something, you know, like and I just got to hated it so much.
27:04
So it's good to know that they're going to try to fix that
27:07
a little bit. Finally, one of the things that
27:10
they highlighted in the Q&A is that if you want to send
27:14
feedback to the Des because they do seem like they really want to
27:17
know a lot of what's kind of going through our heads and what
27:20
we think. Think they basically highlighted
27:22
the fact that Twitter is the best way to get to them with
27:25
short points. But the forums are always better
27:27
for longer points and they also said and it seems like the kind
27:32
of thing, that's common sense, but they are going to read and
27:35
respond, better to things that are logical and respectful.
27:38
And they want a lot of details. They want you to send in like as
27:41
opposed to. I think the example they used
27:43
was something like fix ret pallies there like that comment
27:46
doesn't really help us. We don't understand what you
27:49
don't like. We don't know what your
27:50
experience. It has been.
27:51
But if you say like I don't like my current rotation, here's the
27:55
log from my last raid and the fact that I just Spam these two
27:59
buttons are the problem. Then you're going to kind of
28:02
inform the development decisions that they make.
28:05
So I know the warcraft devs, Twitter account has been Super
28:09
Active. That's the way that the
28:10
developers have kind of chosen in the last.
28:13
I want to say, year-and-a-half, possibly two years instead of
28:16
individual developer accounts. They've moved to this one
28:19
Warcraft, devs Twitter. Count.
28:21
So, they're all very active there, they're answering a lot
28:23
of questions. So especially during this time
28:26
of like the PTR and the alpha and kind of going into battle
28:30
for Azeroth, as they do more q&as, and as you guys hear more
28:33
things from us or other podcasts or wow, head or whatever.
28:37
If there's anything that kind of Peaks your interest that you
28:40
like or don't like be sure that you let Warcraft know because
28:42
they really seem like they're a lot more in tune with the
28:44
community than they have been in the past.
28:46
So they're making an effort, we should too.
28:50
That brings us to our Next lower, or sorry, our next story,
28:54
which is kind of just a short little tidbit of information.
28:56
For those of you who aren't aware.
28:58
Chronicle, volume 3 is coming out, March 27th.
29:01
So, four days from now, it is the third and final volume and
29:05
blizzards exhausted his exhaustive history of Azeroth.
29:09
As you guys know, obviously, I have Chronicle 1 and 2.
29:12
I love them Chronicle 3 though. Only seems to go up to
29:15
cataclysm, so I'm kind of sad that there is no fourth volume
29:19
to kind of cover. Some of the things that we've
29:21
done in Pandaria and Beyond, I mean, maybe they just want to
29:25
bury Warlords of Draenor and pretend it never happened.
29:28
I did a mini. What do you think?
29:30
I think it's a yet. I think there's no fourth
29:33
edition yet because we are so close to current time that it
29:37
wouldn't be right to do that. We have the space for the stuff
29:41
that's going into volume 3 for them to the say discovers that.
29:45
But if you start looking at Mists of Pandaria and Warlords
29:48
and Legion were were at Legion right now.
29:51
Too short of a time frame, that's true.
29:53
Yeah, you'd kind of be chronicling and rehashing things
29:56
that have happened in the last couple years, so yes, I can get
30:00
a bit Warlords. Yeah.
30:01
I think I think everyone including blizzard wants to
30:03
forget about Warlords but but yeah.
30:06
So I'm excited. That Chronicle volume 3 is
30:09
coming. They're kind of like getting
30:11
into all the good stuff. It's going to be covering the
30:14
kind of third War. I believe in through arthas and
30:18
we even get some more insight. Right into arthas's kind of
30:22
motivations which is really interesting because there's
30:25
already been a whole arthas novel, but we're getting even
30:28
more information through this Warcraft Chronicle, and then
30:31
it's going all the way through Wrath of the Lich King into
30:35
cataclysm. So I'm looking forward to
30:37
reading it. I always loved the art and these
30:39
books and they make great conversation pieces.
30:41
So if you haven't pre-ordered it, then it is available for
30:44
pre-order on Amazon right now and comes out next week.
30:47
So I hope you guys jump in and get those because they're going
30:50
to help. Follow along with our lure
30:52
segments, which are back this week.
30:54
We are going to cover vol'jin part 1.
30:57
So basically, I started doing all the lore for vol'jin.
31:01
I've wanted to cover him for a very long time, I love the
31:04
trolls and the idea of, you know, everything that's happened
31:09
with the zandalari trolls, coming to be an Allied race in
31:11
battle for Azeroth. It felt like a really good time
31:13
to dive into our favorite troll, Warchief.
31:16
He was our only troll war chief, but that's okay.
31:20
I thought it It'd be a great time to talk about him and I got
31:23
into as I dove into the lore and kind of found all the stories
31:27
that have been told about vol'jin in the game and in the
31:30
books. Very rapidly became clear that
31:33
it was going to be too much for one episode.
31:35
So we split it into two parts. So today we're going to cover
31:38
the early life of vol'jin cover. The darkspear.
31:41
A little bit through the rise of the zandalari.
31:43
And then we're going to end with his role in the bombing of
31:47
theramore. So, next week, we will cover all
31:50
of The stuff with overthrowing garage and the rebellion and his
31:54
kind of time as war chief. But yeah.
31:58
So this week we're going to look at early life of Olden.
32:01
So Manny why don't you take it away?
32:04
Thanks. So in the early life of Belgian
32:06
Bolton was the sun and the former Apprentice of jungle
32:09
troll which doctors engine and he was the leader of the Exile,
32:13
darkspear trolls that lived on the remote island off the coast.
32:17
Now what's really cool about this engine and The trolls is
32:21
that they had the totems, which became synonymous with shamans
32:26
in Warcraft, 3, and they're very much defining.
32:29
What The Horde is to this day. When you talk about them, he was
32:33
tested by the lower become a Shadowhunter along with his best
32:37
friend zalazane and that's crazy because zalazane became such a
32:42
adversarial figure that you forget that they were best
32:45
friends at the beginning. Exactly.
32:47
And that was actually one of the parts of his Test by the lower.
32:51
They were both granted visions and neither one of them could
32:54
really believe that the visions of them fighting to the death.
32:57
We're actually true. They went away for like three
33:00
months and when they came back they found out that his dad had
33:03
perished and that a lot of the tribe had perished because of
33:07
raids from the alliance and the nagas.
33:08
So, vol'jin comes back and he had to take control become the
33:12
chief Shadowhunter and then let the trolls and exodus out of the
33:17
islands over to send Jen Village.
33:19
Well, what is now a scent and Village and was all with the
33:22
help of thrall which was it kind of a huge story point because
33:25
that's how vol'jin ended up pledging.
33:28
His people pledging, the darkspear trolls specifically to
33:31
The Horde was because thrall helped him kind of escape from
33:35
the, the alliance in the Naga. Exactly.
33:39
They left the echo Islands, but as soon as they settled on the
33:43
mainland, they were attacked by Grand Admiral.
33:45
Daylan proudmoore Jana's Father, which is now becoming relevant
33:50
as we head into BFA and he was only able to repel the attacks
33:54
with the aid of R xr0 Khan who is the current troll leader and
34:01
they had help from Chen storm Stout who was relevant in
34:07
Pandaria. Shh.
34:08
So he continued to counsel. The Horde Rex are in particular,
34:12
was instrumental in bringing the Turin Into The Horde and to stop
34:16
the human invasion of durotar when the invasion was defeated
34:19
boljan. LED his people back to the echo
34:21
Islands but he then came against zalazane who had started
34:28
enslaving his people with the voodoo that the controls all
34:31
hate so much. Stay away from do Voodoo.
34:35
I'm sorry. Rather than like let his tribe
34:40
get hexed and fallen into that dark magic.
34:44
They again left the echo Island to sentient Village on the
34:48
mainland and four years. At the beginning of Warcraft
34:52
there was Sal has a non the islands and nobody could defeat
34:55
him while full Jin was in Orgrimmar.
34:59
Advising thrall, right? And then, so, over those time,
35:02
like, over those kind of years, there were many, many attempts,
35:04
to reclaim the islands, but eventually voltage.
35:07
In return to launch one final assault from Sinjin Village.
35:11
So with the aid of The Horde adventurers, which is us the
35:14
players vol'jin was able to recruit other Witch, Doctors,
35:17
including Zinta bruh, who actually becomes relevant in the
35:21
Druid storyline and Legion. So in the class Hall she becomes
35:24
actually one of your very first followers and I'm sure that
35:28
probably eventually we will go into a little bit more of her
35:32
history unless we did already because we did Cover the true
35:34
class Hall. But basically she It off as a
35:39
witch doctor with the dark spheres.
35:41
But then through this assault against zalazane, she was kind
35:46
of converted over to druidism by one of the Louis.
35:49
Oh, she has a really interesting back story where she kind of
35:52
like transitions from one role to another, but that all
35:55
happened during the assault, on the echo Isles.
35:59
So the witch doctors realize that they'd been losing power
36:02
because zalazane had been cutting them off from their
36:04
access to the lower. That's the lower are basically.
36:07
The the troll word for the wild Gods.
36:11
So the trolls basically draw a lot of their power when they
36:16
like as witch doctors and Shadowhunters from communing
36:18
with these wild gods that they call the Lois, oh, being cut off
36:22
from their source of power was obviously something that they
36:25
had to stop. So Bolton was told by his Witch,
36:29
Doctors to make amends to the dark Spears.
36:32
Low a patron who is one slum D and together.
36:36
They formed a plan, so Vol'jin. And what 150?
36:40
I'm gonna totally butcher this name for the entire podcast
36:43
because he comes up a lot. But basically is a powerful
36:47
Lowa, the controls the spirits of the dead and he grows more
36:51
and more powerful. The more souls are in his care
36:53
and the part of his kind of lure that I find super interesting
36:57
and I feel like is going to become relevant in battle for as
36:59
Iraq. Is that when someone undergoes
37:02
the ritual of binding, all the souls of anything, they kill go
37:06
to blonds Sam D. There we go.
37:11
Get it eventually. So, Sunday.
37:14
Thank you. So, vol'jin forces assaulted,
37:18
the first of the echo Islands, prove their worth and then buang
37:22
damdi. Granted them the support of his
37:25
Spirit Warriors and that he controlled to take the second
37:28
Island at that point in time, vol'jin came face to face this
37:32
former friend, and after a brutal battle, vol'jin offered
37:35
his friend a chance to surrender.
37:37
But Zach Zane revealed. Well, then why didn't you just
37:40
murder him? He's too nice.
37:43
But that wasn't then revealed that through the use of dark
37:46
magic, he taken control of the darkspear forces who began a,
37:50
who began attacking the rest of the horde forces.
37:53
So, basically like drawing all of the horde forces away from
37:57
zalazane himself as a kind of trap and distraction.
38:01
So then vol'jin in The Horde, we're actually able to subdue
38:04
and the entrants darkspear only to find that.
38:07
Zalazane head kind of created a protective barrier behind that
38:12
he could, you know, hide behind that no living thing could
38:15
cross. So he was all like, taunting
38:17
them saying that. Yeah, the can't get me haha.
38:20
But then out of nowhere, blond Sam, D, raised the Dead behind
38:27
the barrier to kill zalazane, which was all witnessed by
38:30
vol'jin. And it allowed the darkspear to
38:32
take full control of the echo islands and broke all of the
38:36
curse on The on the entrants darkspear.
38:39
So vol'jin had his home back, his people back and then we get
38:46
into the Lich King and the rise of the zandalari.
38:51
Yes. So after they let Kings defeat
38:54
garage was a war hero and he was named the new Warchief of The
39:00
Horde while thrall left to deal with the cataclysm itself and
39:05
the turmoil and the elemental forces that Happened before
39:08
that. Bulge in became alienated from
39:12
grosh and in-game. There was many different, like,
39:15
cutscenes that you'll see even in a troll area where they are
39:18
at odds with each other. Because garage had an extremism
39:22
a loss, or he really was the war hero.
39:24
And so he rallied people behind him that way, right?
39:27
He kind of like once the Lich King was defeated, he came back
39:30
and was like, the thing I know how to do is fight and right
39:33
now, we don't have a fight. So I'm going to go pick one
39:36
basically and that was his entire Thing, just rapid
39:39
expansion, is MM, and like, fighting on all front.
39:42
At the same time, the trolls became assaulted by the spite
39:46
scale Naga led by Tsar dark? Yeah, I'm gonna pass out that
39:51
name right sometime. But not today, the NACA see what
39:56
you was responsible for sentence death.
39:57
His father's death. So using the power that sprung
40:01
from her, when she died, Elgin, contacted thrall for his counsel
40:06
and ultimately chose to stay loyal to The Horde.
40:08
Instead of defecting it's really interesting to fight like to
40:13
realize like how early vol'jin was kind of thinking of pulling
40:17
the darkspear from The Horde and, you know, not falling
40:20
Garrosh. Like it happened fairly quickly.
40:22
It, I mean, we're going to talk about it next week, but
40:26
obviously vol'jin was the one who led the Rebellion against
40:29
garage eventually but that was like, literally two expansions
40:32
later when he finally said, okay, fine, I'm I've had enough
40:38
Yeah, they were definitely setting the stage for vol'jin to
40:41
come to power quite early and just setting those different
40:45
pieces of the entire horde fracturing.
40:49
And so this was where it's began.
40:53
So shortly afterwards, all the leader of the zandalari called a
40:57
meeting for all the troll races which bulge in a attended along
41:01
with representatives from the gurubashi Imani and the ice
41:04
trolls. This was the meeting where all
41:06
the trolls said. Okay, yeah.
41:07
We're And when you but because of its loyalty bulge in refused,
41:13
he was promised glory and bringing the troll Empire back
41:18
to it's like former self but he said no I'm with the horde I am
41:23
loyal. They were there for me and he
41:26
stuck and gave emissaries to the lights and the horde telling
41:30
them of the new threat that was coming up there.
41:33
So he personally led the assault against Solomon along with the
41:37
ranger general of The moon Alderaan brightwing and Teresa
41:40
windrunner. Yeah.
41:42
So I find this part of his story really interesting because, I
41:45
mean, the trolls as a race have always had kind of conflicts
41:50
with the elves. So the fact that, you know, he
41:53
was willing to set all that stuff aside as well as, you
41:56
know, just setting aside the alliance and horde history of
42:00
conflict. And just to say like the troll
42:02
threat is real Everett like everyone except the dark Spears
42:06
is coming for you. You know even again this is
42:09
another point of contention between him and Garrosh because
42:12
he did warn the alliance as opposed to you know just
42:15
protecting The Horde and warning them about the troll threat and
42:19
letting the trolls take care of the alliance.
42:21
So we see like you said very early on all of the stage being
42:25
set for not only vol'jin playing well with the races and factions
42:31
that he didn't normally but also like just the again Strife
42:35
between him and Garrosh when he kind of came back and dealt with
42:39
all of the troll threat. This is when we really start to
42:42
see the escalation of the conflict between the alliance
42:45
and The Horde. So vol'jin was very, very vocal
42:50
about not attacking theramore because when Garrosh first
42:53
proposed the plan he said it was a way to push the alliance out
42:57
of kalimdor and you know, to that end destroying theramore
43:00
destroying their kind of base of operations would be the way to
43:03
get rid of the night elves who were kind of right on Orga Mars
43:06
doorstep. And vol'jin basically just said,
43:10
dude, like the elves have been in kalimdor way longer than the
43:13
arcs, like you guys just got here.
43:16
So if you did attack, there are more it.
43:19
If you did, try to remove the night elves from kalimdor, it
43:22
would be all the alliance would need to justify an all-out War.
43:26
So Garrosh, obviously what he wanted all at War.
43:29
So this, you know, volkens Council meant nothing to him so
43:33
vol'jin, and Bane came together briefly after this meeting.
43:36
And basically, discussed the The, the dislike of the
43:39
direction, The Horde was going. And so, when all of this stuff
43:41
is happening, this is like leading into or like, this is
43:45
all the the just before Pandaria, like, timeline is what
43:49
we're talking. So vol'jin and Bane, who were
43:53
responsible for the attack on nightwatch, hold as an ordered
43:56
by Garrosh. Basically drove out all the
43:58
human forces there. So the horde had kind of
44:01
attacked North watch. Hold on, their way, to going to
44:05
attack. There are more and drive
44:06
everybody out because garage I ordered like that was his
44:09
orders. That's what he wanted to do, or
44:11
be damned. So once they actually defeated
44:14
everyone at night, watch North watch hold sorry, they became
44:18
super confused because Garrosh decided that he didn't want to
44:21
push the attack to theramore. So again, vol'jin and Bane among
44:26
some other kind of leaders and representatives of The Horde.
44:29
So Sylvanas, had a representative there, as well as
44:32
a representative for the Goblins.
44:34
They had a secret meeting to discuss the war chief and his
44:37
strategy. Then eventually were betrayed to
44:39
Garrosh by the goblin. So I can't remember the name of
44:43
the goblin at this time. But basically, what happened is
44:46
the goblin ran to Garrosh, told them the meeting was happening.
44:49
So garish overheard, everything? And just as vol'jin was, voicing
44:52
his concern that the enslaved Elementals that they'd use to
44:55
help. Take North watch hold.
44:57
We're going to cause the elements to turn against The
44:59
Horde completely and that's when Garrosh entered the meeting and
45:03
reminded them of their loyalty to The Horde and surprisingly
45:08
Lee was lenient on them and didn't actually kind of punish
45:12
any of them aside from striking, one of the Turin who actually
45:16
challenged him directly to his face.
45:18
And so, he kind of just said, all right, your loyalty belongs
45:22
to The Horde. I'm gonna let you in on the
45:24
plan. So, vol'jin and Bane again, went
45:27
and met with Garrosh where garish told them to withdraw all
45:30
their fleets from theramore, completely and just leave behind
45:33
their ground troops. And so, Bane was at this point
45:37
started, To get really upset because he knew that without the
45:41
fleet without the support from the water that they were going
45:44
to lose the battle. And so he basically stalked out
45:47
just saying, you know, I hope there's even a horde left when
45:51
we're done this whole debacle and then Garrosh bursts out
45:53
laughing along with his bodyguard malkorok.
45:56
So at this point vol'jin and Bane kind of started to know
45:59
that something might be a myth. So, eventually Garrosh began the
46:04
assault on theramore, but it was with ground forces, only led by
46:08
himself vol'jin and Bane, and the attacks on the gates, proved
46:12
for you tile, for the most part other than, and this is mostly
46:16
due to a dragon who was defending theramore, which
46:18
actually turned out to be kalecgos.
46:20
He's totally Dana's boyfriend although maybe not anymore.
46:24
They haven't really been clear on that.
46:27
Don't think anymore. Yeah, I do I think they kind of
46:30
like were together but then, Like not together, but then kind
46:33
of together again. But now Jane has, you know,
46:35
doing Jana things wherever she ended up.
46:37
So, I don't actually know if that's still a thing because
46:41
kalecgos, definitely stayed in Dollar on, for the entirety of
46:44
Legion. So, but yeah, he was kalecgos
46:47
was actually the dragon defending theramore.
46:49
So once vol'jin realized that they had a dragon helping to
46:53
defend the city and that if they weren't careful, their forces
46:56
were going to become trapped between the dragons fire and the
47:00
gates. And then just They slaughtered
47:02
vol'jin went to Garrosh. And then Garrosh, agreed, and
47:06
ordered all the horde forces, to pull back.
47:09
When the horde forces did pull back.
47:11
That's when Garrosh revealed his true plan to vol'jin that the
47:15
ground assault was done, just to draw a lioness leaders to
47:18
theramore. That's when vol'jin and beIN
47:21
watched in horror and disgust as the Mana bomb was dropped and
47:24
the City was destroyed. So I think we've covered this in
47:28
the Jana lore episode that we did a while back but Basically,
47:32
yeah, the plan to drop the Mana bomb from a horde perspective
47:36
was not something. Anyone was aware of outside of
47:39
Garrosh and his Corcoran because Garrosh didn't actually want the
47:42
plan to get back to the alliance.
47:44
He wanted to do as much damage as he could.
47:46
Obviously, I believe that had they known it was going to
47:48
happen both vol'jin and Bane would have broken ranks with the
47:52
horde and notify, the alliance, I don't know.
47:54
What do you feel about that? Do you think that that would
47:56
have been a thing knowing that vol'jin has been so loyal to The
47:59
Horde? Do you think at this point had a
48:01
On the bottom was going to drop that, he would have told Jana.
48:04
Somehow you've definitely would have crossed lines to get them
48:09
to escape and save all those lives.
48:12
Like it's not honorable and troll.
48:15
Honor isn't something that's brought up much, but boljan
48:18
always acts with a moral compass and he wouldn't do that.
48:22
Definitely, so, as Garrosh was celebrating back in Orgrimmar
48:26
vol'jin, and Bane retreated to raise your heel to discuss, what
48:29
should be done with the Warchief and shortly.
48:31
After they Left, the Corcoran blew up the in and all those
48:34
inside the ones left inside of vol'jin, and Bane were gone at
48:39
that point, but there were Sylvanas has Emissary along with
48:44
a couple of high-ranking. Turin were were killed at the
48:47
Inn at razor. He'll basically the Corcoran
48:50
were attempting. The Corcoran were the WarChiefs,
48:53
kind of guard. So they were attempting to
48:56
remove the threat against Garrosh.
48:58
This is when Garrosh reveals to everyone that he intended to
49:00
wage a war. Total genocide and annihilate
49:04
the alliance once and for all Bane objects to this and so does
49:08
vol'jin. But because his trolls basically
49:11
reside in and around ogre, Mar he remained silent in order to
49:15
protect his people, that's where we're going to leave it this
49:18
week with the idea of Garrosh waging total war against the
49:22
alliance. This is where we kind of push
49:24
into Pandaria, and we're going to get some more zandalari story
49:27
tomorrow, as well as the story of the rib is not tomorrow.
49:30
So I next week, as As well as the story of the rebellion and
49:34
the story of vol'jin as a war chief.
49:37
And then we'll give you our final thoughts on him as a
49:39
character. Again, that'll be an episode 36.
49:42
So, yeah, that was, that was really fun.
49:43
I miss doing lure. It's amazing.
49:46
Be part of it. Instead of just hearing it on
49:48
the, on the cast. I'm glad you enjoyed it
49:52
sometimes. Like it takes a little bit of
49:54
like getting used to, to get into just like the storytelling
49:57
of it all, but I think it's really fun and I look forward to
50:00
doing these these segments. Every week that brings us to our
50:03
new segment, which is our community resources and add-ons
50:06
segment. So this is, this was actually
50:08
Manny's idea to add to the podcast.
50:10
So what we've decided to do is bring you something new every
50:14
week, whether it is a website or an add-on or something that you
50:18
can use in World of Warcraft to kind of enhance your experience.
50:22
So if you have a recommendation for an add-on that you'd like us
50:25
to cover on the show, please do let us know.
50:27
You can email Faz podcast at gmail.com or you can tweet us at
50:31
Faz. Podcast this week we are going
50:33
to cover all the things which was sent in by Vic baldry.
50:36
So thank you so much for the suggestion over on Twitter.
50:39
Basically all the things is like a collection Helper but it
50:43
actually uses the item database to list everything available in
50:47
a given zone. So it's not using your kind of,
50:51
it's not using Warcraft as a game to actually do anything,
50:55
which is why it's able to give you, it's able to track your
50:59
appearances, your Illusions, your mouths, your pets, your
51:01
toys. Music rolls and titles, as well
51:03
as Quest. All-in-one add-on without
51:06
slowing down your without slowing down your game.
51:09
So I thought this was definitely worth kind of going over because
51:13
for me, personally, I'm at the point in the expansion are re
51:17
team is cleared all the heroic content kind of slowing down for
51:20
me. Usually this time I mentioned
51:24
earlier, this is the time that I kind of go into PVP mode, but
51:28
it's also the time that I kind of try to fill out all all the
51:32
stuff that I missed and all the things is a great way to do that
51:36
because it shows you like, literally everything you can
51:39
collect in the game, although it makes me a little bit sad
51:41
sometimes because it's all color coded.
51:44
So, it starts off as read when you have like, zero of the items
51:47
and then moves up through like, orange, yellow, into green when
51:51
you've collect. And I think it's blue when
51:52
you've collected everything and yeah, most, most of my zones are
51:56
red. You must have a whole totally
51:59
different experience with this add-on, though.
52:01
Because obviously, you've been playing a lot longer than me.
52:04
So did you have a chance to actually take a look at all the
52:07
things I've given it a cursory glance.
52:09
I've looked at it. I do have like a bunch of
52:12
questions about it. It really seems something that
52:15
could be helpful for me because like you near the end of
52:18
expansion when things are slowing down, I go into the
52:21
achievement junkie mode. I go through and I collect toys
52:25
and different transmog, sat all of that, and this seems like the
52:29
perfect add-on for it. Yeah.
52:31
It's actually really interesting because some of the things
52:33
where, you know you have to do if they're like achievement
52:37
based sometimes or if there's like specific steps to summon
52:40
like a secret boss, say usually what it what will happen is they
52:43
have like really, really detailed tooltip.
52:46
So when you hover over and you can turn all of this on and off
52:49
there, so many different options in the add-on, but you can,
52:53
it'll show you, it'll give you like a little model viewer, so,
52:56
you know what you're looking for.
52:57
If it's like a Companion Pet, or a boss or something, and if
53:01
there are Extra kind of steps then they'll show in the
53:04
tooltip. So when you hover over it, it'll
53:06
say like, okay run to the final boss in gnomeregan.
53:09
Defeat him, go around the corner, look on your left,
53:12
there's a red button. Push it that will summon the
53:14
next boss. And, you know, like so there's
53:17
kind of Step by steps for the ones that are a little bit, less
53:20
obvious. It also shows you when you hover
53:23
over things, when you're looting or when you're at a vendor or
53:27
looking in your bags or whatever, well, obviously the
53:29
new bags, you've collected it. But when you Look at the tooltip
53:32
in the top right corner. There's a big like green check
53:35
mark and it says collected if you've already got it in your
53:37
collection, otherwise there's a big red X to say, not collected,
53:41
which means that it basically tells you what things you still
53:45
need to buy and what things you've already got in your
53:47
collections. So it saves you from, you know,
53:51
having to spend a lot of time, researching in your collections
53:54
or possibly buying duplicate items.
53:56
And it's also tracking things across all of your different
54:00
characters. So, If you've collected a mount
54:03
or an achievement, or a pet or something, on a different
54:05
character, it'll show as collected in all the things
54:08
which is glorious because before this I used to just have Wowhead
54:13
or different database on one screen and then be looking at
54:17
the comments to see how do I do this then, go over to YouTube to
54:20
see the video and now, it's like right on my screen.
54:24
Exactly. There's, there's so much
54:26
information that's been compiled into this add-on.
54:29
They also have a really, really active Discord.
54:31
Andy that you can go to for support if you need it if
54:34
something's not working or just if you have questions then.
54:38
Yeah they have they have a really active Discord community
54:41
and they're constantly like adding more things to the
54:43
add-on. It's one of the often updated
54:46
add-ons. I have I think almost every time
54:48
because I log in at least once a week to the the Twitch app, that
54:52
was the curse app and to make sure all my add-ons are
54:54
up-to-date. And usually once every two
54:59
weeks, it's getting an update which Really interesting.
55:02
And it's again, adding these things, like these detailed
55:04
tooltips and stuff and always like, giving more and more
55:08
information to the community, what else we owe?
55:12
The other thing that I wanted to mention, we've got some tips and
55:14
tricks for you when you're going to use these add-ons.
55:16
And so, for all the things, there is one little check box
55:20
that shows in your settings in complete quests.
55:24
And what that does is it will actually show you all the rares
55:27
and World bosses as well. Even though technically, it's
55:30
not like I can go And collect a world boss and put them in my
55:33
inventory. But if you check the incomplete
55:37
Quest box, it'll track it. And say, like, yes you've killed
55:39
it or no, you haven't killed it, which is really, really helpful.
55:42
Again, Manny when you're looking for achievements, there's often
55:45
a achievements tied to killing all the world bosses, or killing
55:48
all the rares in his own and stuff like that.
55:49
So, underneath the incomplete Quest, there's also a checkbox
55:53
that says treat as collectible, and what that does is it takes
55:58
your non daily Quest. So think of like any of the
56:01
questions. You did for like leveling and
56:03
lore and all that kind of stuff. All of your yellow exclamation
56:06
marks. Those non daily quests will be
56:08
tracked and that's going to help you complete your loremaster
56:11
achievement, which is amazing. And, like, the other thing that
56:14
can really use with this, especially in Legion, is if
56:18
you're hunting down, all these rares that is more chance for
56:21
you to get a nice legendary, if you're trying to round out your
56:24
Legendary Collection, or you just need one for that challenge
56:27
mode, that you haven't beaten yet.
56:28
Yeah, this is a great way to keep track of all of that.
56:31
Also, So there is basically what happens is when you have the
56:35
auto mini list option checked. Every time you go into a Zone,
56:39
it's going to pop up the little list.
56:42
So there's a different list for every Zone that will list
56:44
everything that you need to collect their.
56:45
So, all the appearances sold by vendors, all of the mounts and
56:49
pets and everything else, it will pop up every time you
56:52
change Zone. If you don't want that to
56:54
happen, you can actually uncheck the auto mini list option.
56:58
And instead, there's a macro that we're going to put in the
57:01
show notes. That you can use and you can
57:03
just hit that macro when you want to pop up the window for
57:06
your current Zone when you're out collecting things.
57:08
So you can have this add-on again, it's really, really light
57:11
so you can have it running all the time and you don't have to
57:13
worry about it, like clogging up and slowing down your game, but
57:17
if you decide like you want to go run a dungeon with friends
57:20
and you don't want your ad on there.
57:22
But then once you're done, you want to go and make sure you've
57:25
killed all the rares in high mountain.
57:27
Then you can just boom, hit your macro button and it'll pull up a
57:29
little window, so we'll put that script in.
57:31
Into the show notes, so you guys can grab it.
57:33
If you want to give all the things a try many.
57:36
Did you have any other things that you wanted to add about all
57:38
the things or questions that you wanted to ask on behalf of our
57:41
viewers? Well, I think we've covered all
57:43
the things I love it. I was thinking of things that
57:54
phase in and out of zones, like rare spots that may or may not
57:57
be there time. Lost Proto Jake being my greed
58:00
Bane. Will it will it know if it's
58:04
there in a zone or not? No.
58:06
So it doesn't have a built-in because I think what you're
58:08
thinking of is something along the lines of like NPC scan that
58:12
will actually like scan a certain area around your
58:15
character and then tell you if it actually picks up an NPC tag
58:19
or not, so it doesn't do that. It will just show you that you
58:23
haven't yet. Got the time loss, Proto Drake
58:25
when you enter storm peaks, unfortunately.
58:28
But what it will do is like I said it.
58:31
Does have the really detailed tooltips.
58:33
So, when you hover over any of the tool tips for your mounts,
58:37
or like you said, you mentioned a seasonal pets as well.
58:40
If you hover over it, it will say like only available from
58:44
this month to this month or, you know, something like that or
58:47
Curie otic lease ponds around the Zone.
58:50
Sometimes I found they even have links to potential maps showing
58:54
spawn points and stuff. So it is, there's a lot of
58:58
information in the tool and its really nice to have it handy.
59:01
Kind of like, right at your fingertips, when you're going
59:04
around collecting things, at the end of an expansion.
59:06
Oh, it's awesome. It's a great.
59:09
At least, it's a great starting point to find everything that I
59:12
would need. And the fact that it is, so
59:15
supported means that I can use it or a long time to come.
59:20
Exactly. So again if you guys want to
59:22
send in any of the Community Resources or add-ons you would
59:25
like us to cover on the show then you can do.
59:28
So by either tweeting us at Faz podcast or emailing us at Faz
59:31
podcast, at gmail.com, speaking of our email address, you can
59:35
send all of your questions over too fast podcast at gmail.com.
59:39
We have won this week that actually came from.
59:41
Before we went on Hiatus, this one is from milk and eggs.
59:44
He says, hey guys, I love the podcast.
59:46
I've actually been binging them for the last few weeks,
59:48
listening to the class, all the class.
59:50
All Quest. I've enjoyed listening to you
59:52
guys go over them. However, I think there's one
59:54
thing that needs to be mentioned.
59:56
I've been a lover Of Orcs ever since Warcraft 2 and 3.
59:58
I'm sad to hear you guys rag on Orgrimmar constantly on your
1:00:01
stream when the update to the city made me so happy.
1:00:04
It really double down on the orc feel of the orc capital city.
1:00:07
I say that with emphasis because I don't hear anyone complaining
1:00:10
that Stormwind. Basically, only has a human
1:00:13
aesthetic to it. Love your podcast, but I really
1:00:15
wanted to get at least one or two defensive voice out there so
1:00:17
you guys can see it from a different perspective.
1:00:19
Loked are Mogar. This email made me laugh.
1:00:22
A little bit just because we get so much crap from people saying
1:00:26
that we're like, so down on the alliance all the time.
1:00:30
So to hear somebody say we're also so death on the Orcs, just
1:00:34
made me laugh. You can't please everybody but I
1:00:36
think so this came from again with my previous co-host Garrett
1:00:41
and his love of just kind of castles and fantasy Aesthetics
1:00:46
along the lines of the blood elves or night owls.
1:00:49
I guess even. So I think his kind of Point
1:00:53
around ogre, Marv was just that, you know, it's very it didn't
1:00:56
fit his personal aesthetic that he really liked.
1:00:59
I'm less like I think okra Mar is fine.
1:01:02
I have I feel less strongly about Orgrimmar.
1:01:05
I just wish that Silver Moon wasn't so dead.
1:01:08
I wish there was a reason to go to the blood elf City because I
1:01:12
love the blood elf aesthetic. But again, it all just really
1:01:15
comes down to personal choice. I didn't see okra Mar and this
1:01:19
is why I put this This email in here is Manny, I really wanted
1:01:21
your thoughts on this because I didn't see ogum are free, I
1:01:25
guess update. So do you have some kind of
1:01:28
insight on what Orgrimmar looked like before and after from what
1:01:31
I understand it's much more like metal now as opposed to like
1:01:35
would it very much is what organ are used to look like was stones
1:01:42
and wood and mud Huts a lot of the buildings were actually on
1:01:47
an unlevel playing and half into the Tens.
1:01:50
And such and it was very low res because it's the vanilla assets,
1:01:56
right? What they did in the cataclysm,
1:02:00
after the Elementals did rebelled Against The Horde and
1:02:04
burned down Orgrimmar was that they rebuilt it in the same
1:02:08
style that they hit introduced in Wrath of the Lich King with
1:02:11
that very metal spiked. Look, that is also somewhat
1:02:18
aligned with Garrosh. R is a beautiful city.
1:02:22
I know that Garrett eights Orcs or gemara is is very much The
1:02:29
Horde City because it is so Metropolitan.
1:02:33
You have the goblin section, the government's lumps, you have the
1:02:37
trolls thicker down. Yeah.
1:02:39
And the Goblins are actually gone or not necessarily gone but
1:02:41
their whole like slum and like pit is just gone now because
1:02:45
they built a building over top of it to be like the the Allied
1:02:49
races. Hub.
1:02:50
So now there's just a building over what used to be their big
1:02:53
Slime Pit. Yeah yeah mystery and yes, the
1:02:57
city got gentrified a bit but I'm not going to hate on him for
1:03:00
it. Um, honestly, you look
1:03:04
throughout that City he and it is top.
1:03:08
If you want to look at a current part of the city that looks
1:03:12
like, what it used to be go along the drag, those places are
1:03:16
still much the stone and wood that it used to.
1:03:20
To be. So if you want a reference look
1:03:23
at those places. Hmm.
1:03:25
So it's more like grommets hold. That really got the update and
1:03:28
that whole valley of strength kind of area.
1:03:31
Exactly that and they moved the main building from the honor.
1:03:37
The valley of Honor over to the valley of strength which was
1:03:41
also telling of how garage fled versus how thrall LED.
1:03:45
Yeah, that makes sense. That's really interesting
1:03:48
because again, like I I've only ever seen this current iteration
1:03:51
of Orgrimmar. So again, I don't hate the Orca
1:03:55
stetic and I do. Like how Orgrimmar is made up of
1:03:59
so many different races. Like there's a very distinct
1:04:02
presence of the Turin and the trolls and the Goblins, I would
1:04:06
say even the Pandaren have their own little section in the valley
1:04:10
of Honor. It's probably the blood elves
1:04:12
that are the least represented in Orgrimmar as a race.
1:04:17
And that's probably why like, I wish that there was just
1:04:20
something there that made me as a blood Health, feel a little
1:04:24
bit more at home. I guess the undead as well, kind
1:04:27
of like the Eastern kingdoms aren't very well represented
1:04:30
over an ogre. Mar, but maybe that'll change in
1:04:32
battle for Azeroth says, we're kind of losing our foothold in
1:04:35
the Eastern kingdoms. So there's going to be a lot of
1:04:37
refugees from over there. We'll have to see how that all
1:04:39
plays out, but I was surprised when Sylvanas became more chief.
1:04:42
That there wasn't a little bit of an update to Orgrimmar to
1:04:45
kind of increase the undead. But I guess she was often storm
1:04:49
him for a lot of it but yeah, so I think overall the Orgrimmar
1:04:54
aesthetic like we don't hate Orcs, we like Orcs that works
1:04:57
for fine. I love that.
1:04:58
The Horde is made up of a whole bunch of it's a reason I like
1:05:01
The Horde at all is because it's made up of a whole bunch of
1:05:04
different races who managed to retain their uniqueness while
1:05:08
still being a part of something greater.
1:05:10
I think the fact that Stormwind only has a human aesthetic to
1:05:12
it, at least from the parts that I've seen.
1:05:15
I think that's very telling of what the alliance This is like,
1:05:17
I find that the alliance is very intolerant of anyone who's
1:05:20
different, which is why I don't like the alliance at all as a
1:05:23
faction. No offense Alliance players.
1:05:26
Listening to the sound of my voice, sorry, but I do find that
1:05:31
The Horde is more welcoming and celebrates the differences
1:05:35
between the races. I think that's why I like it as
1:05:37
a faction. So, yeah, I like the Orgrimmar
1:05:40
aesthetic and I'm sorry if it came across as if I didn't.
1:05:45
I think it's very telling that before certain updates, the
1:05:50
capital for the alliance was mostly iron-forged that used to
1:05:55
be the de facto place to be not Stormwind.
1:05:57
They had to do a lot of updates to Stormwind even before the
1:06:00
cataclysm before people moved over there.
1:06:03
Interesting. I didn't know that again as not
1:06:06
an alliance player, I didn't know that so and yeah.
1:06:10
So Stormwind got a update. When was it was At in cataclysm
1:06:15
when Stormwind, got the update, to all of the major cities, got
1:06:18
updates and cataclysm to make them actually flyable Orgrimmar
1:06:24
and Stormwind. Used to be very much like
1:06:28
Silver. Moon is where it's propped up to
1:06:30
D and they rearranged it Under city was always built the way it
1:06:35
is because you travel down into it.
1:06:38
So it was always a navigable area.
1:06:44
So it didn't get an update in which it which is the reason
1:06:46
that it's so old. Mmm.
1:06:49
Well, I'm sure it's going to get an update before battle for
1:06:51
Azeroth. I think we can pretty much count
1:06:54
on that one. There will be changes for sure.
1:06:57
Yeah, so I think that's pretty much going to do it for us this
1:07:00
week. Thank you guys so much for
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listening. Owning and sticking with us
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through our Hiatus. I hope you had a good time.
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I hope you enjoyed the episode. Again, you can send your
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We're going to be able to transfer your subscription, over
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For those of you who have other podcast apps out, Out of iTunes.
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I'll make sure that the RSS feed is in the show notes, so you can
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make sure to update all of your podcast apps with the new RSS
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feed. So, before we go Manny, where
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can folks find you on the internet?
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He displays to find me, is on Twitter, I'm at True Villain
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many. That's TR you the I ll AI, n Ma
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and NY so Noe and true. Many excellent.
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I you guys can follow me Joss. I'm on Twitter and twitch.
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It just lays you check out Joss place.com for links to all the
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shows and streams that I do also.
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You can check out this week's get nailed or whatever special
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event is happening by going over to my twitch Channel and
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checking out the schedule that is posted at the bottom.
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So thank you guys so much for listening and we will see you
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next week.