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Mega Edition: Prosecutors Say That Bryan Kohberger Purchased A Ka-Bar Knife (9/22/26) · Beyond The Horizon

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Speaker 1: And welcome back to the program. Whenever you're prosecuting a
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Speaker 1: murder case, you always want to have the murder weapon.
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Speaker 1: But if you don't have the murder weapon, that doesn't
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Speaker 1: mean that you're not going to get a conviction. And
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Speaker 1: in the case of Brian Koberger and the murders in Moscow,
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Speaker 1: we know that as of now, no murder weapon has
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Speaker 1: been found. In fact, chances are, at least in my opinion,
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Speaker 1: One won't be found. I would think that on the
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Speaker 1: ride home, if Brian Koberger is the man that the
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Speaker 1: government is telling us he is, that he would have
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Speaker 1: gotten rid of that knife on that trip. Why in
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Speaker 1: the hell would you take that murder weapon home with you?
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Speaker 1: I know that we had some experts come out and
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Speaker 1: talk about how some killers, they have a fetish for
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Speaker 1: their weapon and they don't want to get rid of it.
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Speaker 1: And I'm sure that's possible. And I'm sure that is
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Speaker 1: the case in America. certain situations. But here, I highly
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Speaker 1: doubt it. The last thing you want to do is
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Speaker 1: get caught with that murder weapon. So what I'm saying is,
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Speaker 1: there's a whole lot of country between the time that
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Speaker 1: these murders occurred and the time that Brian Koberger got arrested.
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Speaker 1: That knife could have been tossed any point from the
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Speaker 1: time that those murders allegedly happened to the time that
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Speaker 1: Brian Koberger was arrested at his parents' house in Pennsylvania.
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Speaker 1: So I highly doubt that we're ever going to see
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Speaker 1: that knife. And if you're the defense, that's certainly good
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Speaker 1: for you. As the defense attorney, you're going to say
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Speaker 1: to the jury, the prosecution has not even provided us
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Speaker 1: with a murder weapon here. So how is it that
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Speaker 1: they're going to say that my client was the man
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Speaker 1: wielding a murder weapon that hell doesn't even exist? Now,
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Speaker 1: I'm not saying I'd buy that line of defense, but
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Speaker 1: I am saying they're going to try it. And why
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Speaker 1: wouldn't you? If there's no murder weapon, then that's certainly
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Speaker 1: something you can try and sink your teeth into. But
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Speaker 1: I don't think it's going to work out because when
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Speaker 1: it gets in front of that jury, the jury is
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Speaker 1: going to say to themselves, look, these kids were killed.
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Speaker 1: One way or the other, these kids were murdered. And
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Speaker 1: all of this other evidence points to Brian Koberger being
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Speaker 1: the man who did it. And if Koberger can't present
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Speaker 1: any evidence. to counter what the prosecution has already put forward,
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Speaker 1: I don't see how he thinks he's going to be
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Speaker 1: able to get out of this. But the murder weapon
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Speaker 1: is certainly not something that the prosecution needs to get
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Speaker 1: a conviction here. All right, so let's get on to
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Speaker 1: the article. And our article today is from Newsweek, and
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Speaker 1: the headline, Is Recovery of Idaho Murder Weapon Crucial? The
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Speaker 1: Experts Weigh In. This article was authored by Kalita Rockman.
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Speaker 1: Brian Koberger is the sole suspect in the slayings of
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Speaker 1: four University of Idaho students. Koberger, 28, a former doctoral
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Speaker 1: candidate in criminology at Washington State University, allegedly drove from
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Speaker 1: his home in Pullman, Washington to Moscow, Idaho in the
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Speaker 1: early hours of November 13th and fatally stabbed Kaylee Gonsalves,
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Speaker 1: Madison Mogan, Zanna Kernodle, and Ethan Chapin. Authorities arrested Koberger
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Speaker 1: at his family's home in Pennsylvania on December 30th after
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Speaker 1: connecting DNA recovered from trash discarded at the home to
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Speaker 1: DNA that was found on a knife sheath found at
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Speaker 1: the scene of the killings, according to a probable cause affidavit.
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Speaker 1: He is facing four counts of first-degree murder and one
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Speaker 1: count of felony burglary. He has not entered a plea,
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Speaker 1: but a lawyer representing him previously said Koberger was eager
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Speaker 1: to be exonerated. And I think I've said this before,
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Speaker 1: but I'll say it again. I'm eager to hit megabucks.
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Speaker 1: That doesn't mean I'm going to hit megabucks anytime soon.
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Speaker 1: So shit in one hand and wish in the other
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Speaker 1: and see what you have more of at the end
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Speaker 1: of the day. A preliminary hearing scheduled to begin on
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Speaker 1: June 26 will likely be the first time the prosecution's
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Speaker 1: case is detailed in court. But so far, authorities have
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Speaker 1: said They have not located the murder weapon. Newsweek asked
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Speaker 1: several experts how important or not they think it will
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Speaker 1: be in the Kohlberger case. And for me, anyway, I
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Speaker 1: think it's a good thing to have, obviously, having the
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Speaker 1: murder weapon and being able to connect that murder weapon
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Speaker 1: to the suspect. That's optimal. That's certainly what, as a juror,
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Speaker 1: I'd want to see. I'd want to see the knife,
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Speaker 1: the weapon, if possible. And that would certainly make it
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Speaker 1: a lot easier for me to make my decision. But
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Speaker 1: with that being said, now that we're hearing about Zana
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Speaker 1: fighting back, what are the chances that Brian Koberger's DNA
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Speaker 1: was under her fingernails? Or on her body? Or you
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Speaker 1: get my drift here? So like I've said from the beginning,
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Speaker 1: I think that they have a lot more behind the
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Speaker 1: scenes then they're letting loose here. Now, maybe they don't, right? Again,
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Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm not behind the scenes. That's just
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Speaker 1: my guess. But usually, when you have a probable cause affidavit,
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Speaker 1: like the one we saw here, and then you have
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Speaker 1: a situation like the one we're hearing that unfolded in
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Speaker 1: this house, there's going to be DNA on the person
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Speaker 1: who is that up close and personal murdering somebody. And
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Speaker 1: that DNA is going to shed and transfer information On
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Speaker 1: to the victim. The first expert that weighed in was
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Speaker 1: Joseph Gia Colon, adjunct professor at John Jay College of
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Speaker 1: Criminal Justice. The murder weapon would be nice to have,
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Speaker 1: but not necessary, said Gia Colon, a retired New York
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Speaker 1: Police Department sergeant. For me, the most important evidence was
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Speaker 1: what they found in his apartment and the vehicle. We
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Speaker 1: know they have recovered human hair and animal hair. If
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Speaker 1: they come back to the victims and or dog, that
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Speaker 1: will be a home run for the prosecution. If they
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Speaker 1: have that, I don't care if they ever find the knife.
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Speaker 1: And that's where I'm at, too. If they come back
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Speaker 1: with strong DNA like that, the knife will be juicy.
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Speaker 1: It'll be a little bit of dressing on top, but
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Speaker 1: it's not going to be the meat and the potatoes.
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Speaker 1: The meat and the potatoes is going to be that DNA.
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Speaker 1: And if that DNA traces back, forget it. There's going
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Speaker 1: to be no way out for Brian Kohlberger if that's
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Speaker 1: the case. The next expert that weighed in was Duncan Levin,
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Speaker 1: the managing partner of Levin and Associates. The weapon itself
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Speaker 1: would undoubtedly help the prosecution's case, but there is so
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Speaker 1: much evidence already in this case, it's likely not to
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Speaker 1: matter at all, said former federal prosecutor Levin. The knife sheath,
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Speaker 1: Levin said, is part of the murder weapon, and it
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Speaker 1: bears what prosecutors allege to be a DNA match with Koberger.
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Speaker 1: And the DNA tests that they used ruled out 99.99998%
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Speaker 1: or whatever of the population of being the owner of
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Speaker 1: that DNA. So it's going to be difficult for Brian
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Speaker 1: Koberger and his team to challenge DNA if it's strong. Now,
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Speaker 1: the DNA we see in that probable cause, if that's
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Speaker 1: all there is, then they're going to be able to
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Speaker 1: punch some holes in that probably. But if there's more
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Speaker 1: and if there's a significant amount more, That's the proverbial
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Speaker 1: home run for the prosecution. That is much stronger crime
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Speaker 1: scene evidence than investigators usually are able to get, he added.
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Speaker 1: Coupled with the overwhelming forensic cell phone and video evidence,
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Speaker 1: the missing knife is probably not going to affect things.
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Speaker 1: Michael McAuliffe, former federal prosecutor and elected state attorney. Having
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Speaker 1: more physical evidence, including a murder weapon, can help prove
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Speaker 1: how and when a homicide was committed, McAuliffe said. If
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Speaker 1: the weapon can be connected to a perpetrator, that is
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Speaker 1: a significant part of the government's proof. Even if not,
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Speaker 1: it can establish that the death was a homicide, he said. Well,
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Speaker 1: I don't think there's any denying that these deaths were
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Speaker 1: a homicide or homicides. They certainly didn't pick that knife
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Speaker 1: up themselves and kill themselves. So it's certainly a homicide.
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Speaker 1: And I don't think having a murder weapon is going
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Speaker 1: to change that. The next expert who gave their opinion
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Speaker 1: was Joseph Scott Morgan from Jacksonville State University in Alabama.
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Speaker 1: In my opinion, the absence of the knife will not
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Speaker 1: make or break the case, said Morgan, a distinguished scholar
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Speaker 1: of applied forensics at Jacksonville State University. Unlike a firearm,
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Speaker 1: there are no ballistic matches for edged weapons. With that said,
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Speaker 1: a forensic pathologist could examine the knife and make a
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Speaker 1: determination if That is within reason or a reasonable scientific
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Speaker 1: certainty that a knife such as the K-Bar could have
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Speaker 1: generated these injuries, he said. If the weapon is found,
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Speaker 1: finding DNA from a victim on its surface would be significant,
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Speaker 1: he added. Morgan said that there is a chance that
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Speaker 1: metal fragments from a murder weapon may have been left
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Speaker 1: in the victim's bodies. There is an outside possibility that
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Speaker 1: the knife may have left trace elements of metal fragments
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Speaker 1: within the wound tracks, he said. If those fragments could
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Speaker 1: be recovered and subjected to metallurgic testing, they could be
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Speaker 1: compared to chemical composition associated with K-bar knives. And sometimes,
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Speaker 1: not to get too graphic, but when someone uses a
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Speaker 1: knife and the murders are that brutal, pieces of the
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Speaker 1: knife will all break off. A tip of it, a
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Speaker 1: little piece of metal of it, you know, the knife's
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Speaker 1: hitting bone and all kinds of gruesome stuff. And that
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Speaker 1: can lead to pieces of the knife ending up in
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Speaker 1: the wound And then that can help the forensics team
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Speaker 1: trace it back to the owner perhaps and the person
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Speaker 1: who committed the murders. Nemo Rahmani, president and co-founder of
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Speaker 1: West Coast Trial Lawyers, is the next expert that weighed in.
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Speaker 1: The murder weapon will be helpful if law enforcement can
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Speaker 1: find it, but it's not a deal-breaker, former federal prosecutor
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Speaker 1: Rahmani said. They're probably looking for it in bodies of
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Speaker 1: water along Koberger's path of travel back to Washington after
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Speaker 1: the murders. The knife sheath is good evidence, he said,
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Speaker 1: but Koberger's defense team will argue that it's only a
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Speaker 1: single source of DNA and that it was either transferred
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Speaker 1: or planted. Rachmani added that with a crime scene that bloody,
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Speaker 1: you would expect more DNA, and the house was reportedly
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Speaker 1: a party house, so there is likely a lot of
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Speaker 1: DNA from other people the defense will raise. And that's
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Speaker 1: something I've said from the beginning. If I was the
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Speaker 1: defense attorney here, I'd be bringing that up for sure.
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Speaker 1: Brian Koberger came over here for some party. That's why
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Speaker 1: his DNA was here. Oh, that knife sheath? Someone else
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Speaker 1: owned it. He touched it while he was here, I guess.
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Speaker 1: But that's how the DNA got on it. So they
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Speaker 1: can work to punch some holes in what the prosecution
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Speaker 1: has brought forward in the probable cause affidavit. Let's be
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Speaker 1: very clear about that. But it's what's going on behind
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Speaker 1: the scenes. The other stuff, as far as test results
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Speaker 1: and evidence coming back that we don't know about, that
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Speaker 1: I think is going to be the ace in the
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Speaker 1: hole for the prosecution. And I think that it's going
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Speaker 1: to be very strong when all is said and done,
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Speaker 1: especially in light of what we found out or what
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Speaker 1: we're hearing from sources anyway about what went down in
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Speaker 1: the House and Zanna fighting back the way she did.
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Speaker 1: If that's the case and that did happen, like that
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Speaker 1: source said, there has to be some DNA from Brian
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Speaker 1: Koberger on Zanna's body, under her fingernails somewhere, that was
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Speaker 1: picked up by the forensic team that's going to lead
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Speaker 1: them directly with strong DNA evidence to Brian Koberger. And
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Speaker 1: if they have that, then, as we said a second ago,
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Speaker 1: that's what you call a home run. But without it,
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Speaker 1: it's going to make things a lot more difficult. So
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Speaker 1: the murder weapon, certainly not something that is a must-have here,
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Speaker 1: Would it be nice? Of course it would be. The
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Speaker 1: more physical evidence, always the better. But without it, it's
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Speaker 1: not going to be something that's going to end the
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Speaker 1: case for the prosecution. So we'll see if they come
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Speaker 1: up with it and what they find as they're searching
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Speaker 1: for this evidence still. Because remember, they're still out here
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Speaker 1: trying to build their case. The investigation isn't over because
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Speaker 1: Brian Koberger is in jail. So they might end up
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Speaker 1: finding this murder weapon. Chances are they're not going to,
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Speaker 1: but who knows? Maybe they get a lead and they
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Speaker 1: find it. But either way, it's not our make or
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Speaker 1: break item. Certainly not for this case. All right, everybody,
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Speaker 1: that's going to do it for this one. All of
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Speaker 1: the information that goes with the episode. Well, that can
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Speaker 1: be found in the description box. What's up, everyone, and
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Speaker 1: welcome back to the program. One of the very few
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Speaker 1: pieces of evidence that the police have released or talked
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Speaker 1: about in the public is the alleged murder weapon that
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Speaker 1: they think is responsible for these murders. And according to
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Speaker 1: the reports, according to the police, the weapon was a
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Speaker 1: Rambo-style K-Bar knife. So for this episode, we're going to
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Speaker 1: talk a little bit more about this knife. And to
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Speaker 1: do that, we have two articles. The first one is
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Speaker 1: from Fox News, and the second one, which is pretty interesting...
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Speaker 1: is from Radar Online. So let's just dive right in
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Speaker 1: and let's get caught up and see where things stand
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Speaker 1: as far as this knife goes. This article was published
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Speaker 1: by Fox News. Headline, type of knife used in Idaho
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Speaker 1: college murders will be key clue for police, says former
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Speaker 1: FBI special agent. Police have not identified the suspect or
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Speaker 1: suspects in brutal stabbing of four students. This article was
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Speaker 1: authored by Amy Nelson. More than a week after the
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Speaker 1: murders of four University of Idaho students, the suspect remains
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Speaker 1: on the loose as police continue their investigations. Now, experts
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Speaker 1: are considering clues like the knife likely used to kill
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Speaker 1: all four individuals that may help identify a suspect. Jonathan Gilliam,
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Speaker 1: a former FBI special agent and Navy SEAL, said the
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Speaker 1: suspect's use of a K-bar knife, also known as a
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Speaker 1: Rambo-style knife, could point law enforcement in the right direction.
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Speaker 1: And I think this is pretty significant what he's about
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Speaker 1: to say in this article when we look at the
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Speaker 1: next article we're going to read. That knife is pretty
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Speaker 1: much a relic. Gilliam said on Fox and Friends First Monday.
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Speaker 1: Nobody really uses that knife except for people that had
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Speaker 1: them when they got out of the military or they
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Speaker 1: got handed down. Well, I know you could buy them
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Speaker 1: at like swap meets and stuff like that. Like I said,
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Speaker 1: when I was younger, I definitely had one of these. Obviously,
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Speaker 1: we're talking way younger in the 90s. So it was
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Speaker 1: probably more prevalent, right? Kids who grew up in the 80s,
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Speaker 1: we all wanted to be Rambo. So if you could
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Speaker 1: get a Rambo knife, forget it. You were all over it.
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Speaker 1: But I guess they are pretty obsolete nowadays. I mean,
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Speaker 1: it's not like you go into a store and see
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Speaker 1: them prominently displayed. He told co-hosts Ashley Strohmeyer and Todd
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Speaker 1: Pirro that the knife could be an important part of
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Speaker 1: the investigation. And this is what's significant, folks. Remember what
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Speaker 1: we're about to talk about right here in this next article.
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Speaker 1: If they have an ROTC at that school, that could
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Speaker 1: be something that ROTC would have, he explained. Gilliam noted
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Speaker 1: that the University of Idaho had also issued a vandal
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Speaker 1: alert to staff and students in September with the subject
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Speaker 1: line threat with a knife. This is something that they
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Speaker 1: need to be looking at because the potential that this
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Speaker 1: person could be a student, could be ROTC, could be
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Speaker 1: somebody that lives in the area, kind of seems a
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Speaker 1: little bit more significant, he said. And I think he's
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Speaker 1: on to something here. If they're, you know, this kind
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Speaker 1: of knife, if it's not sold in the sporting goods stores, well,
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Speaker 1: if there's this ROTC program at the university, that's a
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Speaker 1: good place to go and look. Does that mean they're
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Speaker 1: going to find anything there? Absolutely not. But it's certainly
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Speaker 1: a place to go and ask some questions. Gilliam, after
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Speaker 1: reviewing the details of the murders, said he believes it's
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Speaker 1: more likely that the killer is a man. It takes
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Speaker 1: a lot of strength. You'd be surprised to continue to
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Speaker 1: stab multiple targets with this ferocity, he said. And I
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Speaker 1: agree with that. I mean, you would have to be
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Speaker 1: a man and relatively strong or hopped up on adrenaline
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Speaker 1: and fired up and pissed off, which is likely. But
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Speaker 1: I don't see a woman being the one who is
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Speaker 1: behind such a brutal attack. Now, does that mean that
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Speaker 1: it's not a woman? No. Again, I don't have any
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Speaker 1: inside sources, folks. Nothing like that. Just putting the pieces
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Speaker 1: together like all of you. He said the suspect was
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Speaker 1: likely either someone who had access to the house or
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Speaker 1: was someone who watched the residence and waited for everyone
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Speaker 1: to shut down for the night. I think this is
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Speaker 1: where the investigators are going to start looking, he said.
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Speaker 1: And they did have a dog, too. And you would
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Speaker 1: think that the dog would have barked, perhaps, right? Or,
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Speaker 1: you know, alerted the people that somebody was in their house.
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Speaker 1: Did the dog know the person? That's another thing that
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Speaker 1: has to be talked about. And another question that I'm
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Speaker 1: sure the investigators are going through. But we're going to
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Speaker 1: jump into this other article here from Radar Online, and
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Speaker 1: it's talking about this very topic that this profiler was
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Speaker 1: talking about on Fox News, and they even take it
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Speaker 1: a step further. So let's get right to it. This
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Speaker 1: article was published by Radar Online. Headline, Quadruple Murder Breakthrough.
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Speaker 1: Police zero in on University of Idaho Reserve Officers Training
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Speaker 1: Corps for possible Rambo-style knife. So, they have this ROTC
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Speaker 1: program at this university, and with what we just learned
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Speaker 1: from this profiler, it would seem to me, as being
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Speaker 1: a layman in all of this anyway, that that would
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Speaker 1: be a good place to take a look. This article
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Speaker 1: was authored by Radar Staff. Cops investigating the grisly quadruple
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Speaker 1: murder of four University of Idaho students that were found
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Speaker 1: brutally murdered on November 13th are probing a possible link
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Speaker 1: to the Reserve's Officer Training Corps. Radar Online has exclusively learned.
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Speaker 1: A Reserves Officer Training Corps, or ROTC, is a college
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Speaker 1: program offered at the students' college campuses that prepares young
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Speaker 1: adults to become officers in the U.S. military. So you
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Speaker 1: see the connection here. We have the profiler talking about this.
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Speaker 1: Then we have the police, according to this article anyway.
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Speaker 1: I know it's radar online. Take it with a grain
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Speaker 1: of salt. But here we are. Then we have this
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Speaker 1: investigation going on, allegedly, looking into this ROTC program to
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Speaker 1: see if maybe there's a connection. Investigators believe the weapon
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Speaker 1: used in the brutal slaying was a combat knife, and
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Speaker 1: it could have been sourced for the University of Idaho's
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Speaker 1: ROTC program, said a law enforcement source. No murder weapon
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Speaker 1: has been found as of yet. Now, that would be significant.
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Speaker 1: Say they went in there and they found that one
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Speaker 1: of these K-bar knives was missing that they had in
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Speaker 1: storage or maybe on display or something, and then maybe
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Speaker 1: they could track who took that knife. Police say a
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Speaker 1: K-Bar style knife was used in the murders, and they've
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Speaker 1: already ruled out that type of weapon was for sale
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Speaker 1: at a local store. A case insider told RadarOnline.com, this
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Speaker 1: is a very unique style of knife, which is about
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Speaker 1: six inches long. But the devil's advocate to all of
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Speaker 1: that is what if he got the knife in a
19:53
Speaker 1: neighboring town, somewhere 75, 80, 100, 200 miles away, hell
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Speaker 1: across the country. So we always got to keep that
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Speaker 1: in mind too. And again, I'm not prescribing to any
20:03
Speaker 1: of this stuff, folks. I just want to make sure
20:05
Speaker 1: we add it to the catalog so we have all
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Speaker 1: of the context. Because without that context, forget it. Especially now,
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Speaker 1: with how crazy and how fast the news is coming
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Speaker 1: in this case, very easy to get buried. It has
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Speaker 1: been described as similar to the knife brandished by Rambo,
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Speaker 1: played by Sylvester Stallone. A K-Bar knife has a blade
20:27
Speaker 1: on one side and a serrated edge on the other.
20:30
Speaker 1: And remember, they're not talking about it here, but they
20:32
Speaker 1: have a compass on the back end of it. When
20:34
Speaker 1: you opened that compass up, you had like fishing wire,
20:37
Speaker 1: fishing hooks, matches, all sorts of survivalist type stuff. The
20:43
Speaker 1: combat knife was issued by the U.S. Marine Corps in
20:45
Speaker 1: the 1940s, according to the company's website. So that means
20:49
Speaker 1: secondhand stores, you know, these military surplus stores. Are there
20:53
Speaker 1: any of those locally? Definitely a place that I'd be looking.
20:57
Speaker 1: The knife was later adopted by the Marines, the Army,
21:00
Speaker 1: the Navy, the Coast Guard, and the underwater demolition teams.
21:04
Speaker 1: A police source added, clearly, investigators want to know if
21:07
Speaker 1: the University of Idaho's Reserve Officers Training Corps program had
21:12
Speaker 1: any K-Bar knives in its archive or on display. And
21:16
Speaker 1: my guess is that they're already doing this. If we
21:19
Speaker 1: have the profiler talking about it, and then we have
21:21
Speaker 1: this article coming out, my guess is where there's smoke,
21:25
Speaker 1: there's a little bit of fire. They're proving whether the
21:29
Speaker 1: weapon could have been swiped by the killer or killers
21:32
Speaker 1: to commit the crimes, the insider said. The University of
21:36
Speaker 1: Idaho's official website confirms the United States Air Force, Army,
21:40
Speaker 1: and Navy provide coursework at the school through the ROTC program.
21:45
Speaker 1: Retired LAPD detective Mark Furman told Fox News, a knife
21:49
Speaker 1: is a weapon of rage. Yeah, that's for sure. Look,
21:52
Speaker 1: it's never enjoyable to agree with Mark Furman, right? But
21:55
Speaker 1: he's right here. When there's a knife involved, and it's
21:59
Speaker 1: this violent, this up close, it has to be personal,
22:02
Speaker 1: or at the very least, it looks like it's personal. Again,
22:05
Speaker 1: we don't know what the motivations are until we find
22:07
Speaker 1: who this person was. But more times than not, when
22:10
Speaker 1: a knife is used like this, and it's this brutal,
22:13
Speaker 1: it is a crime of rage at the very least.
22:17
Speaker 1: All four victims, Ethan Chapin, a 20-year-old from Conway, Washington,
22:21
Speaker 1: Madison Mogan, 21 years old, Zanna Kernodle, 20, and Kaylee Goncalves, 21,
22:27
Speaker 1: were stabbed with a knife. They were found dead inside
22:30
Speaker 1: a home near the campus. Police discovered the students' bodies
22:33
Speaker 1: just before noon on November 13th as they responded to
22:37
Speaker 1: a report of an unconscious person at a home steps
22:40
Speaker 1: away from the college campus. Officials stopped short of publicly
22:45
Speaker 1: identifying a suspect in the quadruple homicide in a press
22:48
Speaker 1: conference on Sunday. The coroner has said that the victims
22:51
Speaker 1: were likely asleep during the attack. However, police have confirmed
22:55
Speaker 1: some of those killed had defensive wounds and each victim
22:59
Speaker 1: was stabbed multiple times. So with that whole scenario, my
23:03
Speaker 1: guess is they woke up or woke up in the
23:06
Speaker 1: middle of it, some of them, and tried to defend themselves.
23:10
Speaker 1: So it's just a grisly thought to even think about.
23:12
Speaker 1: And honestly, I try not to. I don't want to
23:15
Speaker 1: put myself in that room and even project or think
23:18
Speaker 1: what went down and, you know, with how it went down.
23:21
Speaker 1: I'll wait until the investigators have a report out and
23:24
Speaker 1: then I'll read it because it's just too grisly to
23:27
Speaker 1: even think about. These poor kids, man, had their whole
23:29
Speaker 1: lives ahead of them. And for all of that just
23:32
Speaker 1: to be gone and snatched from them, their family, their
23:35
Speaker 1: loved ones, their friends on the whim of some madman. Yeah,
23:38
Speaker 1: that doesn't sit well with anybody. And they need to
23:41
Speaker 1: find this person. They need to find them soon. And
23:44
Speaker 1: they need to bring them to justice. All right, folks,
23:47
Speaker 1: that's going to do it for this one. If you'd
23:49
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23:51
Speaker 1: at ProtonMail.com. That's B-O-B-B-Y-C-A-P-U-C-C-I at ProtonMail.com. You can also find
24:00
Speaker 1: me on Twitter at B-O-B-B-Y underscore C-A-P-U-C-C-I. The link that
24:06
Speaker 1: I discussed can be found in the description box. What's up, everyone,
24:13
Speaker 1: and welcome back to the program. Well folks, Brian Kohlberger's
24:17
Speaker 1: problems continue to grow up in Moscow as more evidence
24:21
Speaker 1: is being released to the public. And over the past
24:25
Speaker 1: 48 hours or so, there has been a significant amount
24:28
Speaker 1: of information that has hit the docket. And one of
24:31
Speaker 1: the juiciest tidbits has to do with the K-Bar knife
24:35
Speaker 1: sheath and the K-Bar knife. And the fact that the
24:38
Speaker 1: government saying that Brian Kohlberger did in fact purchase a
24:43
Speaker 1: K-Bar knife via Amazon. Now, Kohlberger's team, they've argued that
24:48
Speaker 1: this is a shared account, and you can't say that
24:50
Speaker 1: it's Brian Kohlberger who purchased this knife. Well, that sounds
24:54
Speaker 1: great as a court filing, but when the rubber hits
24:57
Speaker 1: the road and the judge takes a look at it,
25:00
Speaker 1: how do you think that's going to work out for
25:01
Speaker 1: Brian Kohlberger and his team? Well, if history's going to
25:04
Speaker 1: guide us, then things are about to go from bad
25:07
Speaker 1: to worse for Brian Kohlberger. Today we have an article
25:11
Speaker 1: from the Idaho Statesman and the headline. Court records reveal
25:15
Speaker 1: prosecutors allege Kohlberger bought knife, sheath, before the Idaho murders.
25:20
Speaker 1: This article was authored by Kevin Fixler. Brian Kohlberger, the
25:25
Speaker 1: man charged with murder and the fatal stabbings of four
25:28
Speaker 1: University of Idaho students, bought the same brand of knife
25:31
Speaker 1: that police suspect was used in the violent crime in
25:34
Speaker 1: November of 2022, according to a new court filing. And honestly,
25:39
Speaker 1: this is almost as good as finding the murder weapon itself.
25:42
Speaker 1: The fact that he even purchased this K-Bar knife and
25:45
Speaker 1: then the sheath is found under Matty's body with his
25:48
Speaker 1: DNA on it? Not looking good for Brian Kohlberger. And
25:52
Speaker 1: it's going to be interesting to watch people twist themselves
25:54
Speaker 1: into knots to try and explain away why he bought
25:57
Speaker 1: this K-Bar and how it doesn't mean anything in the
26:00
Speaker 1: grand scheme. Now, if you were just looking at the
26:03
Speaker 1: purchase of this K-Bar, sure, you could say, look, he
26:06
Speaker 1: bought a knife, big deal, who cares? But that's not
26:09
Speaker 1: what we're looking at here, is it? What we're looking
26:12
Speaker 1: at here is the totality of the evidence that has
26:15
Speaker 1: been collected. And when you look at that totality of
26:18
Speaker 1: the evidence, it's very clear to me anyway that Brian
26:21
Speaker 1: Kohlberger is in for a very bad time come trial time.
26:27
Speaker 1: In March of 2022, Kohlberger ordered a K-Bar knife with
26:31
Speaker 1: sheaths and a sharpener from Amazon.com, the prosecution alleged in
26:35
Speaker 1: the legal brief, which was filed Monday but not made
26:38
Speaker 1: public until Wednesday. Detectives found a K-Bar brand leather knife
26:43
Speaker 1: sheath that included the U.S. Marine Corps stamped insignia at
26:47
Speaker 1: the crime scene in Moscow next to one of the
26:49
Speaker 1: victims and later discovered DNA on its button snap according
26:53
Speaker 1: to a probable cause affidavit. And the fact that that
26:56
Speaker 1: sheath was left there is just insane. Because remember, without
27:00
Speaker 1: that sheath, at least in my opinion, they certainly don't
27:03
Speaker 1: have enough to send Brian Kohlberger to the hangman's noose,
27:06
Speaker 1: if you will. So that DNA evidence is very important, right?
27:11
Speaker 1: It's the glue that holds everything together. And the fact
27:15
Speaker 1: that that sheath was left under Maddie, and now we're
27:18
Speaker 1: learning that it was purchased by Brian Koberger, and then
27:21
Speaker 1: you add the DNA to it? Forget it. How do
27:25
Speaker 1: you challenge that as Brian Koberger's team? You can't challenge
27:28
Speaker 1: it as evidence, right? So all you can do is
27:30
Speaker 1: hope for a loophole or technicality to keep it out
27:33
Speaker 1: of evidence overall. And that's what they were trying to do.
27:36
Speaker 1: That's why they were going so hard. And the same
27:38
Speaker 1: goes for that IgG information. And look, folks, I've been
27:42
Speaker 1: doing this long enough now to understand the loopholes and
27:45
Speaker 1: technicalities strategy when I see one. And that's exactly what
27:49
Speaker 1: we have here. And trust me when I tell you,
27:51
Speaker 1: it's not because this is the strategy that they want
27:53
Speaker 1: to use. This is the strategy that they're forced to
27:56
Speaker 1: use because they have nothing else to go on. Assisting
27:59
Speaker 1: with the high-profile case, the FBI used an advanced forensic
28:02
Speaker 1: technique called Investigative Genetic Genealogy, or IGG, with the knife sheath,
28:08
Speaker 1: DNA to initially land on Kohlberger as the suspect in
28:12
Speaker 1: late December of 2022, prosecutors previously said. After Kohlberger's arrest
28:18
Speaker 1: 12 days later in Pennsylvania, police and prosecutors allege the
28:21
Speaker 1: DNA was matched directly to Kohlberger through a swab of
28:24
Speaker 1: his cheek. Yeah, they hit him with that bugle swab.
28:27
Speaker 1: That was all part of the warrant. So when they
28:29
Speaker 1: arrested him, they cheek swabbed his ass, they ran that
28:33
Speaker 1: DNA against the DNA that was found on the sheaths,
28:36
Speaker 1: And that ultimately led them to believe that it was
28:38
Speaker 1: Brian Koberger who was responsible for these murders. And again,
28:41
Speaker 1: just to reiterate, that's why they're going so hard when
28:44
Speaker 1: it comes to the IgG and the DNA evidence. Everything
28:48
Speaker 1: in this case rests on that DNA evidence. And if
28:51
Speaker 1: Koberger's team could find a way to get that thrown out,
28:54
Speaker 1: then everything else would be fruit from the poisonous tree, right?
28:57
Speaker 1: Because everything comes and is based on the evidence that
29:00
Speaker 1: was collected after the affidavit. And all of that hinges...
29:05
Speaker 1: on this DNA. But the big problem for Brian Koberger
29:09
Speaker 1: is there's no way to challenge that DNA. So all
29:11
Speaker 1: he can do is challenge the process that was used
29:14
Speaker 1: to collect the DNA and hope that there was some
29:16
Speaker 1: kind of F-up by the investigators who were in charge.
29:20
Speaker 1: That's what he's relying on. But unfortunately for him, like
29:24
Speaker 1: I've been saying from the very beginning, I haven't seen
29:26
Speaker 1: even a hint of prosecutorial misconduct. Not even one little bit.
29:31
Speaker 1: So when you take all of that away, what we're
29:33
Speaker 1: left with are the facts. And the facts aren't lining
29:36
Speaker 1: up in a way that's making Brian Koberger look like
29:39
Speaker 1: the innocent man. that his team is telling us he is.
29:42
Speaker 1: The four U of I student victims were Kaylee Gonsalves,
29:46
Speaker 1: Madison Mogan, Zanna Kernodle, and Ethan Chapin. The three women
29:51
Speaker 1: lived in Moscow home with two other young women who
29:54
Speaker 1: went physically unharmed. Chapin was Kernodle's boyfriend and he was
29:58
Speaker 1: staying over for the night. Each victim died from stab
30:01
Speaker 1: wounds and sharp force injuries caused by an edge weapon
30:04
Speaker 1: believed to be a large fixed-bladed knife, Latah County Coroner
30:08
Speaker 1: Kathy Mabit previously said. Just days into the sprawling homicide investigation,
30:13
Speaker 1: the Idaho statesman was first to report that police were
30:16
Speaker 1: canvassing area hardware stores asking about any recent sales of
30:20
Speaker 1: fixed-blade knives. And I remember in the aftermath of all
30:23
Speaker 1: of this, it was a frantic search looking for that
30:25
Speaker 1: murder weapon. They were going crazy trying to find... You know,
30:29
Speaker 1: if somebody purchased a K-Bar locally, if somebody might have
30:32
Speaker 1: had one, etc. And considering the nature of these murders,
30:36
Speaker 1: there was a lot of people out there wondering if
30:38
Speaker 1: the person who did it was some sort of hunter. Well,
30:41
Speaker 1: now we find out that it couldn't be anything further
30:44
Speaker 1: from the truth, allegedly, considering Brian Koberger is a vegan.
30:49
Speaker 1: So somebody make that make sense. Bro won't eat meat,
30:52
Speaker 1: but allegedly will slaughter four kids in their bed? Absolute
30:56
Speaker 1: psychopath behavior. Kohlberger, 30, is charged with four counts of
31:00
Speaker 1: first-degree murder, and prosecutors intend to seek the death penalty
31:04
Speaker 1: if a jury finds him guilty. He's a former graduate
31:07
Speaker 1: student at Washington State University in Pullman, and in the
31:10
Speaker 1: summer of 2022, Kohlberger moved from Pennsylvania, where he grew up,
31:14
Speaker 1: to Washington to attend WSU's doctorate program of criminal justice
31:18
Speaker 1: and criminology, according to court records. And I'm not going
31:22
Speaker 1: to go too deep here about, like, psychology and what
31:24
Speaker 1: could have motivated this, but I have to wonder... Is
31:27
Speaker 1: this something that Brian Kohlberger has been planning for a
31:31
Speaker 1: long time and figured, you know what, I'm going to
31:33
Speaker 1: go to this criminology school. I'm going to become a
31:35
Speaker 1: criminologist to help me with my crimes to become a
31:38
Speaker 1: better criminal. I mean, it's certainly something that I've wondered.
31:43
Speaker 1: And if not, what made him snap? What made him
31:46
Speaker 1: go off the deep end and decide, you know what,
31:48
Speaker 1: now it's time for me to kill these four kids.
31:51
Speaker 1: And then, of course, we have no context even on
31:53
Speaker 1: how Brian Kohlberger could have even known that these kids exist. Now,
31:57
Speaker 1: I've said from the beginning that I happen to believe
32:00
Speaker 1: the story about the Mad Greek. I think that Brian
32:04
Speaker 1: Kohlberger came into contact with Maddie at the Mad Greek
32:07
Speaker 1: while she was working and developed this obsession. And from there, well,
32:13
Speaker 1: we all see what allegedly happened. Now, that is my
32:16
Speaker 1: running theory. Of course, I don't have much to go
32:19
Speaker 1: on besides the information that all of us are privy to.
32:22
Speaker 1: But when looking at what we know already and what
32:25
Speaker 1: people have said, In my opinion, this scenario makes the
32:28
Speaker 1: most sense. After a court hearing in November of 2024
32:32
Speaker 1: in Boise, Steve Gonsalves, father of victim Kaylee Gonsalves, told
32:36
Speaker 1: the statesman in an interview that he was informed of
32:39
Speaker 1: evidence that Kohlberger bought a K-bar knife before he relocated
32:43
Speaker 1: to the West for graduate school. I think he had
32:47
Speaker 1: thought about this crime immensely, planned it, and I think
32:50
Speaker 1: the facts will bear that out, Steve Gonsalves said. I've
32:53
Speaker 1: been told the murder weapon was purchased in Pennsylvania and
32:56
Speaker 1: If you come out with that, then you're coming with
32:58
Speaker 1: a plan. So, look, again, I don't know for sure.
33:03
Speaker 1: I don't think anybody does but Brian Koberger. But I
33:07
Speaker 1: would think that something like this didn't just happen overnight.
33:12
Speaker 1: This is something that's probably been, you know, marinating in
33:14
Speaker 1: his brain. And whatever the situation was, whatever the trigger
33:19
Speaker 1: point was, he finally reached that point and went on
33:23
Speaker 1: this murder spree. And I think that the more evidence
33:26
Speaker 1: that continues to come out, the harder it is to
33:29
Speaker 1: defend Brian Kohlberger, right? Now, there's going to be people
33:32
Speaker 1: out there that won't believe any of this. There's going
33:35
Speaker 1: to be people out there that are going to say that,
33:37
Speaker 1: you know, this dude's getting railroaded. He's not the real murderer.
33:40
Speaker 1: And the Gonsalves family, well, they're really the, you know,
33:43
Speaker 1: the antagonists here. And anybody with a rational mind knows
33:48
Speaker 1: that couldn't be further from the truth. But we all
33:50
Speaker 1: know that there's people out here that are absolutely screwed up.
33:53
Speaker 1: I mean, not for nothing, but we have a society
33:55
Speaker 1: where people were fawning over a dude like Richard Ramirez
33:59
Speaker 1: or these knucklehead Menendez brothers or Scott Peterson. So yeah,
34:04
Speaker 1: there's going to be a cadre of people out there
34:06
Speaker 1: that think that Brian Koberger is getting screwed no matter
34:09
Speaker 1: what happens. But I'm telling you right now, this dude
34:12
Speaker 1: is getting every benefit of the doubt that you could
34:15
Speaker 1: possibly imagine. And even with all of that, Things are
34:18
Speaker 1: looking terrible for him. So you can say if the
34:21
Speaker 1: whole Brian Koberger isn't getting a fair shake for somebody else.
34:25
Speaker 1: And if you want to see somebody who didn't get
34:27
Speaker 1: a fair shake, go ahead and look up the name
34:29
Speaker 1: Kalief Browder and then tell me that Brian Koberger is
34:32
Speaker 1: not being treated fairly. It remains unknown if police have
34:35
Speaker 1: found the weapon they believe was used to kill the
34:37
Speaker 1: four students. Koberger's defense is said repeatedly in court that
34:41
Speaker 1: their client has no connection to the victims and is
34:44
Speaker 1: innocent of the crimes for which he stands accused. The
34:48
Speaker 1: defense said in a court filing last month aimed at
34:50
Speaker 1: excluding the prosecution's use of information obtained from Amazon at
34:55
Speaker 1: trial that the search warrants were overly broad and resulting
34:58
Speaker 1: data incomplete and from a household account shared by Mr.
35:02
Speaker 1: Kohlberger and other family members. And that's the crux of
35:06
Speaker 1: their defense. Now, is that a defense that would move
35:10
Speaker 1: you as a jury? Certainly wouldn't move me if I
35:13
Speaker 1: knew nothing about this case and I was coming in
35:15
Speaker 1: cold and you tried that nonsense. Yeah, not going to
35:17
Speaker 1: work out for you. Household account shared by Mr. Kohlberger
35:21
Speaker 1: and other family members. Okay, were any of those other
35:24
Speaker 1: family members in Washington? Did any of those other family
35:29
Speaker 1: members have their phones ping? Did any of those other
35:33
Speaker 1: family members allegedly go to the Mad Greek? Allegedly show
35:37
Speaker 1: up on campus? And we all know the answer is no.
35:40
Speaker 1: The only person that was in this area, the only
35:42
Speaker 1: person whose DNA was found on that sheath is Brian Kohlberger.
35:47
Speaker 1: Cherry-picking specific clicks or purchases out of an Amazon click
35:51
Speaker 1: history removes all the context, read the filing signed by
35:54
Speaker 1: defense attorney Elisa Massoth. In fact, investigators narrowly tailored their search,
35:59
Speaker 1: warned for Kohlberger's Amazon account, and disclosed all of that
36:03
Speaker 1: data to the defense, the prosecution argued in response Monday.
36:07
Speaker 1: The account's historic data showed purchase of a K-Bar knife
36:11
Speaker 1: with sheath before the murders, and his click activity indicated
36:14
Speaker 1: a search for a knife with sheath after the murders.
36:18
Speaker 1: The filing reads, Prosecutors plan to use means other than
36:23
Speaker 1: Amazon click activity to connect the knife purchase and subsequent
36:26
Speaker 1: search inquiries for a replacement knife and or sheath to Kohlberger,
36:30
Speaker 1: including his financial activities, they added. So not only do
36:34
Speaker 1: they have the click history, they're going to provide the receipts.
36:38
Speaker 1: Whatever means he used to purchase this K-Bar, well, there's
36:42
Speaker 1: a receipt for that. And the government, you better believe,
36:44
Speaker 1: has their hands on it. Investigators in the case limited
36:49
Speaker 1: their spring 2023 search warrant to Amazon account activity, including
36:53
Speaker 1: payment methods, card items, wish lists, purchases, and reviews of
36:57
Speaker 1: knives and accessories viewed by Kohlberger from March 20th to
37:01
Speaker 1: March 30th, 2022, and also from November 1st to December 6th, 2022,
37:08
Speaker 1: prosecutors wrote. Amazon responded with the requested data In June
37:13
Speaker 1: of 2023, and two weeks later, prosecutors provided the same
37:17
Speaker 1: information to the defense. NBC's Dateline previously reported Kohlberger purchased
37:22
Speaker 1: a K-Bar knife, but cited only unnamed law enforcement sources.
37:26
Speaker 1: Kohlberger's capital murder trial is set for this summer in Boise,
37:31
Speaker 1: starting with jury selection in late July. Opening statements are
37:34
Speaker 1: expected to begin by mid-August. And up until recently, We
37:39
Speaker 1: haven't had that much information coming out that we've been
37:42
Speaker 1: privy to. But with the trial quickly approaching and Judge
37:45
Speaker 1: Hippler asking for more transparency, I'm expecting a lot more
37:49
Speaker 1: information to hit the docket in the coming days and weeks.
37:53
Speaker 1: And like usual, as that information becomes available, we'll get
37:56
Speaker 1: it added to the catalog. But until then, that's going
37:59
Speaker 1: to do it for this one. All of the information,
38:02
Speaker 1: including my contact information, can be found in the description box.