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BONUS: Time and Change - WRU Isn't Going Anywhere · Buckeyes TomOrrow Morning

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Speaker 1: Hello, everybody, Welcome to the Time and Change. We'll Shirley Show.
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Speaker 1: I'm Tony Gerdaman here with Juck Maletti as we discuss
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Speaker 1: a one particular topic, one Ohio state related topic, and
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Speaker 1: talk about the past, the present, and future of that topic.
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Speaker 1: And Juck, we have made it to wide receivers and
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Speaker 1: this has been a little bit of a I don't
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Speaker 1: want to say a pain, it's just it's it's hard
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Speaker 1: to talk about Ohio states wide receivers. And then of
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Speaker 1: course I've asked you to rank your top ten, which
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Speaker 1: is where the difficulty has come in for you. But
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Speaker 1: this O High State is wide receiver you I think
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Speaker 1: we would agree with that. But we could talk This
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Speaker 1: show is usually about an hour, and we talked about
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Speaker 1: past president future. We could spend two hours talking about
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Speaker 1: the past of Ohio states wide receivers, and we'll try
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Speaker 1: to limit it to maybe thirty minutes today. But man,
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Speaker 1: there's a lot of guys to go through, so many guys.
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Speaker 2: And what I was saying earlier as we were talking
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Speaker 2: about this, and by the way, a show that we've
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Speaker 2: put off couple of times, it's just that I like
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Speaker 2: to speak about things with very strong opinions. I like
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Speaker 2: to develop strong opinions in this particular topic when we
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Speaker 2: talk about this plethora of amazing players that won a
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Speaker 2: lot of Ohio State's hearts and minds, like just guys
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Speaker 2: you love, and it's like, I don't know how to
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Speaker 2: do this. It's basically what it comes down to. There
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Speaker 2: are no strong opinions that are formed other than yeah, I.
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Speaker 1: Love that guy. I love that guy. So it's tough.
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Speaker 1: It's hard to have strong opinions when you find yourself
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Speaker 1: disagreeing with yourself because of somebody else getting into the mix. So, yeah,
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Speaker 1: I didn't have the I don't want to say I was.
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Speaker 1: I was afraid, but I didn't have the courage to
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Speaker 1: come up with my own top ten. So I had
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Speaker 1: you do yours. But instead I went ahead and I
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Speaker 1: put together a formula for figuring out the twenty best
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Speaker 1: Ohio state wide receivers of all time. And I'll throw
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Speaker 1: it up here on the screen here in a minute.
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Speaker 1: But it's basically it's based on receptions and y'alls and
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Speaker 1: career one hundred yard games, touchdowns, career two hundred yard games.
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Speaker 1: It only applies to like three people. Career three hundred
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Speaker 1: yard games only applies to one person, but all Big Tens,
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Speaker 1: all Americans, Bolotnikoff Awards, then the number of times there
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Speaker 1: in the top five in the Ohio State record book.
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Speaker 1: And so with all of that, when you have factored
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Speaker 1: all in and then you divide it by the number
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Speaker 1: of games they played, Jeremiah Smith comes out number one,
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Speaker 1: followed by David Boston at number two, Chris Carter number three,
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Speaker 1: Jackson Smith and Jigbit number four, Marvin Harrison Junior number five,
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Speaker 1: Garrett Wilson number six, Michael Jenkins number seven, San Antonio
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Speaker 1: Holmes number eight, Chris Olave number nine, a Mecca Abuka
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Speaker 1: rounding out the top ten. Eleven is Terry Glenn, twelve
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Speaker 1: is Joey Galloway, thirteen is Gary Williams, fourteen is Ted
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Speaker 1: gen Junior, fifteen is Billy Andersen, is kJ Hill, seventeen
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Speaker 1: is Carneal Tait, eighteen is Jeff Graham, nineteen Doug Donnolly,
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Speaker 1: and twenty is d Miller. And I added the divide
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Speaker 1: by the games that they've played because I felt like
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Speaker 1: some guys were maybe not getting a fair shake because
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Speaker 1: of the way their careers went. But when you look
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Speaker 1: at this top twenty. Is there anything that surprised you
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Speaker 1: about it?
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Speaker 2: You know, I think the thing that surprised me most
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Speaker 2: obviously I love Santonio Holmes. When we look at all
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Speaker 2: the animals that have come through, I think san Antonio
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Speaker 2: surprised me that he cracked the top ten at number eight,
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Speaker 2: a guy who was just he was awesome. But when
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Speaker 2: you put it in the context of the way you
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Speaker 2: broke this down, I wouldn't have anticipated him being in
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Speaker 2: the top ten. So other than that, everything else kind
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Speaker 2: of shook out the way I feel that we would
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Speaker 2: kind of rank it for the most part, So not
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Speaker 2: a ton of surprises. I think that your formula this
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Speaker 2: time hit it spot on. Not so much for quarterback,
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Speaker 2: but this time it worked out well.
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Speaker 1: The math is the math. I don't know what to
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Speaker 1: tell you, but yeah, for me, like san Antonio's I
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Speaker 1: think one of the most underrated, if not the most
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Speaker 1: underrated receiver in Ohio state history. But it's interesting to
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Speaker 1: see like Billy Anders and Gary Williams, some old timers
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Speaker 1: who played before the eighties getting in there. Doug Donley
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Speaker 1: as well. But yeah, like I don't want to put
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Speaker 1: together like my Mount Rushmore or my top ten. But
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Speaker 1: I do have my two main convictions here is if
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Speaker 1: I did Jeremiah Smith is on there, he's number one.
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Speaker 1: But if I were to put together like a Mount Rushmore,
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Speaker 1: I've got to have Garrett Wilson on there as well,
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Speaker 1: and whatever else this happens after that, I can be
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Speaker 1: convinced that, you know, anybody else could be on there,
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Speaker 1: you know, of the top group. But it's like, when
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Speaker 1: I'm thinking of these guys, I don't want to be
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Speaker 1: in a situation if I could have Garrett Wilson on
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Speaker 1: my team that he's not on my team. So it's
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Speaker 1: like those are I don't think Garrett Wilson is the
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Speaker 1: second best receiver in Ohio state history. But I am
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Speaker 1: also like, there's not a lot of guys I'm going
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Speaker 1: to choose ahead of him. So how do you feel
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Speaker 1: about Garret Wilson?
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Speaker 2: So it's interesting that I guess, you know, if you
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Speaker 2: want to go ahead and we can get to your
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Speaker 2: top ten if you want. Yeah, yeah, I just want
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Speaker 2: to comment on Garrett because I think this is interesting
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Speaker 2: as we have kind of had a few guys where
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Speaker 2: we've just maybe not everybody would feel that way, but
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Speaker 2: agreed upon but I actually have a weird affinity for
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Speaker 2: Garrett and just oddly find him to be, you know,
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Speaker 2: right up there with the very very best of the
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Speaker 2: best ever. I mean, that's not an outland take, but
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Speaker 2: I also feel like there's a lot of guys where Okay,
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Speaker 2: I could swap him out for him and it wouldn't
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Speaker 2: mean much to me. I'm not swapping Garrett out like that.
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Speaker 2: Is just just kind of a magician to me in
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Speaker 2: a way that other guys weren't. And with that, the
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Speaker 2: speed and the explosiveness and kind of just everything about him,
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Speaker 2: he's just he's one of those guys that if we're talking,
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Speaker 2: you can only have four, Like, he's not gonna be
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Speaker 2: off my list.
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Speaker 1: Because he can play anywhere. He played all three spots
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Speaker 1: at Ohio State. There's one year he was a slot.
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Speaker 1: First year I think he played ze, and then his
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Speaker 1: third year they're like, you know one of those years,
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Speaker 1: hardline was like, yeah, we'll just put him an X.
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Speaker 1: And he's six foot, but he plays like he's six
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Speaker 1: y four. Incredible hands, incredible timing, can take a hit,
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Speaker 1: is quick as heck. Like to me, he's he's the
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Speaker 1: perfect six foot receiver. I guess and that's saying something
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Speaker 1: when you've also got Jackson Smith and Jigger there and
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Speaker 1: as a six foot guy, and Chris o'lave and you
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Speaker 1: know all of these other guys. But yeah, I just I,
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Speaker 1: like I said, if I've got a team and you're
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Speaker 1: asking me, like, pick your three receivers, I could put
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Speaker 1: him anywhere, and I would love to have him as
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Speaker 1: a slot receiver. I'll take him as a zige Jeremiah's
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Speaker 1: my ex I'm good there, but I'll take him all
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Speaker 1: day long.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, totally agree. So my top ten, I've
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Speaker 2: got a mech at number ten. Who I mean, that's
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Speaker 2: that's crazy. I mean, he's the he's the career receptions leader.
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Speaker 2: I feel silly saying that, right, But a lot of
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Speaker 2: this comes down to because so many of these guys
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Speaker 2: when you pull up the all time, this the all time,
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Speaker 2: this the all time, this the all time.
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Speaker 1: That they cross populate all these.
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Speaker 2: Lists and on some of you know, one list, this
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Speaker 2: guy's got listed twice and here's this guy over here
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Speaker 2: two seasons he did this, So it kind of all
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Speaker 2: evens out for the most part, where they're kind of
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Speaker 2: in groups as far as statistics go, and a mecha
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Speaker 2: also played, you know, and you know that played in
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Speaker 2: an offense one year.
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Speaker 1: That wasn't that great.
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Speaker 2: But for me, he's number ten because I just you know,
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Speaker 2: there was I mean, when you're on a team and
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Speaker 2: you're not the best wide receiver on the team, it
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Speaker 2: does take away a little bit, I guess, and again
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Speaker 2: really thin Thinn Margins of how I'm nitpicking here because
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Speaker 2: everybody is so good on this list, but he's my ten.
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Speaker 2: It's funny because like he could be the third best
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Speaker 2: receiver of all time in Ohios date history. Just but yeah,
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Speaker 2: he can't be better than Marvin or Jeremiah. You know,
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Speaker 2: it's like never the best player on your team, but
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Speaker 2: he could be the third best of all time. But
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Speaker 2: he is your number ten, my number ten. At number nine,
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Speaker 2: I got Jenks again. You talk about Santonio being one
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Speaker 2: of the most underrated. I feel like in that era,
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Speaker 2: man Jenks was even underrated in his own era. So
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Speaker 2: he's definitely on my time at number eight. I've got
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Speaker 2: a love and the career touchdown King, mister do it all.
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Speaker 1: The story is awesome.
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Speaker 2: Even though a lot of people want to consistently say
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Speaker 2: he was a three star, he wasn't one time he
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Speaker 2: didn't finish a three star. He was a four star
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Speaker 2: coming in, so technically he was a four star. Chris
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Speaker 2: o'lve was a four star. I can't tell you how
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Speaker 2: many times I see that in the comments section when
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Speaker 2: I'm talking about rankings.
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Speaker 1: Christ Yes, a.
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Speaker 2: Former three star, then a four star. So then I've
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Speaker 2: got Jack's and obviously that feels again silly putting in
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Speaker 2: that low, but uh, you know, you miss out on
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Speaker 2: a year of your career. It's just I don't know
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Speaker 2: what to do. There At number six, I've got Terry Glenn,
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Speaker 2: who was just sensational and I was a little younger
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Speaker 2: at that time, and those years when you're a little
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Speaker 2: younger tend to stand out a little larger than life.
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Speaker 2: So awesome there at number five, and again this feels silly.
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Speaker 2: Chris Carter, his stats are so unbelievable for the guy that,
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Speaker 2: a guy that played in that era still being top
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Speaker 2: five you like all these categories, he's pretty much top
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Speaker 2: five and dudes weren't doing that back then. The one
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Speaker 2: handed catch stuff. Dudes weren't doing that back then. Just
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Speaker 2: a sensational player. At number four, I've got Garrett and
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Speaker 2: Garrett will forever be in my number four unless another
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Speaker 2: Jeremiah comes along just to do everything, dude, elastic, rubber
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Speaker 2: band man, the hops, everything. And I wish, like every
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Speaker 2: Buckeye fan, I'm sure that he didn't play for the
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Speaker 2: Jets unless you're a Jets fan, and even then maybe
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Speaker 2: you wish he played somewhere else. And then for the
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Speaker 2: top three, I've got Marve at number three, Boston at
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Speaker 2: number two, and JJ at number one.
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Speaker 1: Very very I was in school at the same time
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Speaker 1: as David Boston, and it was a complete joy to
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Speaker 1: watch somebody that big, who was that quick and would
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Speaker 1: catch just a simple out and then spin out of
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Speaker 1: a tackle and and could go and incredibly fun to watch.
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Speaker 1: But I'm surprised that I'm surprised that he's ahead of Marvin,
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Speaker 1: because I think the consensus when Marvin when he left,
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Speaker 1: he was viewed by most as the best receiver in
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Speaker 1: Ohio state history. And then he goes two things happened.
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Speaker 1: One he goes to a franchise without a quarterback and
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Speaker 1: so he can't live up to the expectations. And then
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Speaker 1: two he gets replaced by Jeremiah Smith immediately, and it's
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Speaker 1: just like he is the most forgotten guy. And I'm
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Speaker 1: not saying you forgot him, You've got him number three
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Speaker 1: on your list, but like I think people they were
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Speaker 1: it was easy to move on because Jeremiah is this
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Speaker 1: is brighter and shinier. But man, it's like Marvin Harrison,
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Speaker 1: we should have locked it in stone at that time,
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Speaker 1: like he was. I guess you had him top you know,
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Speaker 1: you had him top two, but like he was, he
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Speaker 1: was the man until Jeremiah Smith came in and he's like, no,
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Speaker 1: I am the man, and you go there. But see,
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Speaker 1: this is why I didn't want to do a top
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Speaker 1: ten because it's like Garrett Wilson, you've got him four.
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Speaker 1: I can't argue because of the other guys, I mean
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Speaker 1: Jackson Smith and Jigob seven. And you said it exactly right.
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Speaker 1: It's just one season. And when I did that formula,
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Speaker 1: and I threw the number of games in there to
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Speaker 1: to divide by. If you don't do that with that formula,
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Speaker 1: he's like number twenty two all time in Ohio state
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Speaker 1: history just by having the greatest season in Ohio state history.
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Speaker 1: But yeah, looking at this one, if if you could
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Speaker 1: have anybody from two to ten, on the so Higher
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Speaker 1: State team this year? Who would you take Garrett? I
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Speaker 1: think Garrett JJ would be unstoppable. I agree with that
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Speaker 1: now a little bit here in a bit I'm going
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Speaker 1: to before we move on.
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Speaker 2: So I believe that at the time Marvin was the best.
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Speaker 2: That's that was my thinking at the time as well.
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Speaker 2: Now has my opinion changed? Was I caught up a
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Speaker 2: lot of times. I tend to be a prisoner of
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Speaker 2: the moment. Having reevaluated that, I think that I didn't
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Speaker 2: really go back to David until I sat down and
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Speaker 2: really thought about this really hard and compared to eras
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Speaker 2: as well, which always tries to it always is something
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Speaker 2: that throws you off a little bit, and I just
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Speaker 2: ultimately came back to you know, he's if I'm building
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Speaker 2: a team, then if I'm building a team now, and
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Speaker 2: I just feel like, like David and maybe the pros
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Speaker 2: have something to do with it, though he didn't really
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Speaker 2: light it on fire in the NFL either, but maybe
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Speaker 2: the situation Marvin's had since he's been in the NFL
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Speaker 2: might have something to do with it. Like if he'd
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Speaker 2: have gone and won the Rookie of the Year, maybe
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Speaker 2: that would have solidified it.
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Speaker 1: In my mind.
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Speaker 2: But again we are talking like floss level thin lines
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Speaker 2: between all these guys for me, and a lot of
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Speaker 2: it comes down to like who's my favorite, who was more.
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Speaker 1: Impactful to me?
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Speaker 2: And David Boston was definitely more impactful to me just
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Speaker 2: as a younger fan, where you know, things just hit
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Speaker 2: harder when you're younger, and that's why to me, it's
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Speaker 2: it's it's Boston and Jeremiah is just ahead above everybody
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Speaker 2: else for me.
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Speaker 1: David Boston for me at the time was the best
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Speaker 1: ever after watching him in person and just there's oh, actually,
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Speaker 1: I just had a lot of good receivers and I
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Speaker 1: you know, I will say, I don't know they was
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Speaker 1: definitely surpassed in my opinion until Marv. And I don't
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Speaker 1: know that I can go back in time and say, yeah,
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Speaker 1: I was thinking Marv over Boston or Boston over Marv,
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Speaker 1: because it's just different eras and the number of the
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Speaker 1: different ways they throw the ball and how often they
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Speaker 1: throw the ball. The speaking of eras, I do. One
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Speaker 1: of my other convictions is that of all of these
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Speaker 1: names on these twenty these twenty players or however many
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Speaker 1: players you want to throw on there, nobody was nobody
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Speaker 1: was impacted as much by how how early they were
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Speaker 1: born more than Joey Galloway in terms of like, of
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Speaker 1: all of these guys, he was born too early more
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Speaker 1: than anybody else. Because Joey Galloway in today's game would
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Speaker 1: be a deep threat. He could be in a slot,
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Speaker 1: he could be a quick screen guy. And he's four
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Speaker 1: one nine benches, like four hundred pounds as strong as compact,
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Speaker 1: but he's not like running back compact, so he's still
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Speaker 1: like he just quick. And he's the guy that I
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Speaker 1: always go back to in terms of, like, if you
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Speaker 1: could have anybody from a previous era, like if you
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Speaker 1: wanted to bring somebody back in time and just reward them,
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Speaker 1: you know, like you you were born too early, put
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Speaker 1: you in an era where you deserve to play. Because
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Speaker 1: he did not have the quarterback play that he deserved
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Speaker 1: or the offenses either that he deserved, and you put
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Speaker 1: him into I mean, imagine him in twenty eighteen with
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Speaker 1: the Ohio State offense. He would had one hundred and
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Speaker 1: ten catches and like, you know, eighteen hundred yards and
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Speaker 1: it would have been insane.
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Speaker 2: Again, another guy that was just so fun to watch
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Speaker 2: as a younger dude, and the fact that he's not
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Speaker 2: on this top ten list. Just where would Joey Galloway
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Speaker 2: rank on anybody else's top ten list? I mean, come on,
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Speaker 2: he was awesome, but the speed was just insane. I
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Speaker 2: don't think his speed gets brought up enough in the conversations,
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Speaker 2: and we talk about fast wide receivers, which always goes
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Speaker 2: back to Ted. Joey doesn't get brought up enough.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, So I'm gonna give you some trios, some three
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Speaker 1: wide receiver sets, okay, and I want you to tell
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Speaker 1: me which one you'd rather have, and we'll see which
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Speaker 1: one reigns supreme. I've got seven of them here, So
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Speaker 1: I've got twenty one total receivers you see, from Chris,
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Speaker 1: from Chris Carter, Chris, from Chris Carter to now, okay,
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Speaker 1: And this was I listed them one through twenty one,
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Speaker 1: and then I had a random number generator picked the
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Speaker 1: numbers and create seven sets of three. All right, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna. I'm gonna pick two against you
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Speaker 1: right now or two for you right now, and you
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Speaker 1: tell us which one you want and then we'll carry on.
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Speaker 1: So the first trio is Chris Carter kJ Hill and
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Speaker 1: Michael Thomas against David Boston, Chris o'lave and Terry mcclaucha.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm putting McLaurin in the slot there, and
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Speaker 1: you know, I've got I've got my z, I've got
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Speaker 1: my axe, and I'm gonna be a happy boy. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: I think I'm gonna take Boston, Olave and McLaurin. I just, uh,
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Speaker 2: you know, put in Boston number one overall, as I
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Speaker 2: did with uh, you know, a Lave at number I
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Speaker 2: think eight. For me, I just think that's that's my tougher.
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Speaker 2: That's my tougher lineup.
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Speaker 1: And now that lineup will now you'll compete against. Tell
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Speaker 1: me if you would prefer these three of Garrett Wilson,
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Speaker 1: Terry Glenn and Anthony Gonzales. So we're talking David Boston
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Speaker 1: and Chris Olave and Terry McLaurin or Garrett Wilson, Terry
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Speaker 1: Glenn and God, I think I now switch.
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Speaker 2: I think I now switch and I'm gonna go with
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Speaker 2: Terry Glenn, Garrett and Gonzo And Terry obviously was a dude,
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Speaker 2: but Garrett, I've talked about enough here. But when you
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Speaker 2: add in Gonzo, who to me as that number three guy.
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Speaker 2: That's just an incredibly high level, number three first rounder
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Speaker 2: stud do it all. So I'm gonna I'm gonna bump
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Speaker 2: them up to my top rank right now.
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Speaker 1: So you're feeling pretty good about that group. You think
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Speaker 1: they're gonna be able to go to the distance over
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Speaker 1: these next four rounds. Feeling pretty good and it's gonna
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Speaker 1: be very tough to be Yeah, all right, here you go.
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Speaker 1: How about this trio Jeremiah Smith, Michael Jenkins and Paris Campbell.
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Speaker 1: You know that one kind of hits hits, hits you all.
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Speaker 2: You know it HiT's every spot with just an incredible
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Speaker 2: high level, uh, with Paris in the slot JJ and
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Speaker 2: Jenks on the outside.
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Speaker 1: That's that's a pretty wild one.
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Speaker 2: And I think that that's probably gonna be my top
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Speaker 2: ranked group now.
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Speaker 1: I think that'll take the cake. Hits every spot. It's
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Speaker 1: like a shot Suma size. So you're you're going with
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Speaker 1: Jeremiah Smith, Michael Jenkins and Paris Campbell against now Santonio Holmes,
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Speaker 1: Tedkin Junior and Devin Smith.
20:32
Speaker 2: A lot of speed, speed, ton of speed. I mean
20:37
Speaker 2: that is the fastest. That is just insane speed. However,
20:45
Speaker 2: I'm gonna stick with JJ Jenks and Paris, all.
20:48
Speaker 1: Right, sticking with Jeremiah Smith, Michael Jenkins and Paris Campbell
20:51
Speaker 1: now now against Jackson Smith and Jigba Carnel Tate and
20:58
Speaker 1: a Mecca Abuka whoa, and this group was almost close
21:07
Speaker 1: to playing.
21:09
Speaker 2: Yeah, so JJ Jenks and Paris versus Tate as my ex.
21:19
Speaker 2: I'm sticking with JJ Jenks and Paris. I just love
21:21
Speaker 2: the combo of the three of them.
21:23
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, Well tell me how you feel about
21:25
Speaker 1: this combo. This is the last one, so we'll see
21:27
Speaker 1: how you feel. Marvin Harrison, Joey Galloway and Curtis Samuel.
21:38
Speaker 1: You got your ex, you got your Z, you got
21:40
Speaker 1: your h two first rounders, two top ten picks, and
21:45
Speaker 1: the second rounder. There, Samuel, Curtis Samuel still doing it too, man,
21:53
Speaker 1: this is I might.
21:58
Speaker 2: I might take that one in today. No, I'm sticking
22:02
Speaker 2: with JJ Jenks in Paris. Yeah, I'm sticking with it.
22:06
Speaker 1: You don't want to lose Jeremiah Smith and you love
22:08
Speaker 1: Michael Jenkins, all right? Okay, so there you go, the the.
22:12
Speaker 2: Greatest forget Paris, my my alma mater st V kid right.
22:16
Speaker 1: So and incredible Speed was the previous season single record
22:21
Speaker 1: holder for the receptions with what ninety one and twenty
22:24
Speaker 1: eighteen before Jackson Smith and Jigba in twenty twenty one.
22:28
Speaker 1: So Jeremiah Smith, Michael Jenkins, Paris Campbell not bad. You've
22:31
Speaker 1: got You've got third and Jeremiah you got Holy buck Eye,
22:35
Speaker 1: and Paris Campbell with the deuces against Michigan. Pretty decent
22:39
Speaker 1: all around there for that receiver, Trio boy, those are
22:44
Speaker 1: some crazy, crazy names. So there you go our exploration
22:50
Speaker 1: of the past. Now I want you to explore the presence, yeah,
22:55
Speaker 1: of this season with the Oios State receivers. My first
22:59
Speaker 1: question for you and Tom and I just recorded a
23:01
Speaker 1: Buckeye Weekly recently today in fact, and it's maybe it's
23:05
Speaker 1: been posted, maybe it hasn't been yet, about how deep
23:08
Speaker 1: we expect each of the position rooms to go this season,
23:11
Speaker 1: like against Texas, for instance, that receiver, how many receivers
23:16
Speaker 1: do you expect to play against Texas, which we think
23:18
Speaker 1: will be a close game, a big game. You're not
23:21
Speaker 1: just gonna throw anybody out there will willy nilly. How
23:24
Speaker 1: many receivers do you think playing that game? You know,
23:28
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say different than Indiana. Right, I just feel like,
23:34
Speaker 1: starting off, it's gonna be really really difficult to bring
23:40
Speaker 1: in Brock and Chris for a whole lot of action.
23:47
Speaker 1: Will they play a little bit? I don't even know. Man,
23:50
Speaker 1: that's tough. I think that.
23:55
Speaker 2: You know, obviously you got top six, and Brock and
23:58
Speaker 2: Chris are now in that top six.
23:59
Speaker 1: With kind Parker, assuming Kyle Parker is healthy when when
24:03
Speaker 1: this game is being.
24:04
Speaker 2: Played, assuming he's healthy enough. If he's not, then we're
24:07
Speaker 2: looking at Philip Bell or another freshman and dre Quayden.
24:13
Speaker 1: But you're not just gonna play three. So I'm gonna say, dude,
24:23
Speaker 1: this is tough. Right, how about this?
24:26
Speaker 2: If they do play both those guys at Texas like
24:30
Speaker 2: they're off and running, it's it's cooking.
24:33
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with four. Okay, all right, I'm pretty
24:38
Speaker 1: sure I went with six. I think Brock Boyd and
24:40
Speaker 1: this could be one snap or three snaps or whatever.
24:42
Speaker 1: I just think they're going to get in there, Okay,
24:45
Speaker 1: one snap, yeah, all right, Okay, then I'm gonna go
24:49
Speaker 1: with five. One of the freshmen, not not the homestater
24:54
Speaker 1: or not the Ohioan slash Californian.
24:57
Speaker 2: Or both freshmen if he can't go, okay, so you're
25:01
Speaker 2: just gonna stick a five.
25:02
Speaker 1: They don't need to go any people than that because
25:04
Speaker 1: they're gonna be playing so many tight ends as well
25:06
Speaker 1: as we know, so as we know that's as you said,
25:12
Speaker 1: that's different than against Indiana, where I fully expect there
25:16
Speaker 1: to be a regular rotation of six receivers. And when
25:19
Speaker 1: I say regular five and six, whether that's Chris, Henry
25:23
Speaker 1: Brock Boyd or Brandon Ennis or Kyle Parker, like everybody's
25:26
Speaker 1: gonna get at least fifteen snaps, you know, I think
25:28
Speaker 1: that's what I expect. Do you think they can get
25:32
Speaker 1: to or first, do you think it's going to be six?
25:36
Speaker 1: And do you think Philip Bell doesz Jones, who said
25:40
Speaker 1: they both have had some good moments here of late.
25:43
Speaker 1: Can they get to seven? Do they need to get
25:44
Speaker 1: Do they seven too many?
25:48
Speaker 2: I think seven is too many. I think six is
25:53
Speaker 2: is a lot. I think that I think that my
25:58
Speaker 2: prediction here is Kyle Parker out of that group of six,
26:03
Speaker 2: is going to become kind of the odd man out
26:06
Speaker 2: as we move into to the second half of the season,
26:09
Speaker 2: because I really think that Brock and Chris are going
26:13
Speaker 2: to be playing very very good football and just bring
26:17
Speaker 2: more to the outfit. And when I you know, with
26:22
Speaker 2: innocent McEwan has been playing great, I just feel like
26:26
Speaker 2: these two freshmen are just so different that come second
26:29
Speaker 2: half of the year, Yeah, fifteen, absolutely, I agree with
26:34
Speaker 2: that for sure.
26:35
Speaker 1: Like they're definitely getting fifteen a piece, and we saw
26:40
Speaker 1: them go sixty pretty regularly in twenty eighteen. But I
26:43
Speaker 1: want to remind people there are twenty more snaps per
26:45
Speaker 1: game back then than there are now, and they were
26:49
Speaker 1: moving so moving quickly, so you need to get more
26:52
Speaker 1: guys in and out to kind of give them breathers. Now,
26:55
Speaker 1: the breather is the huddle basically, so you just not
27:00
Speaker 1: nearly as many snaps to play as many guys as
27:02
Speaker 1: you'd like. So Tom and I have been doing these
27:07
Speaker 1: expectation shows and I've been throwing out some season predictions
27:10
Speaker 1: and some statistical predictions. I did not do one for
27:14
Speaker 1: brock Boid initially, didn't you right, Well, yes, and so
27:20
Speaker 1: I went, we went, we did another one and he did,
27:23
Speaker 1: and Tom made his prediction in the spring and then
27:26
Speaker 1: doubled it in the summer, and then I finally also
27:28
Speaker 1: went and did one This summer. So if I give you,
27:31
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you some brock Boyd stats. These are mine.
27:34
Speaker 1: So you tell me too high, too low on this?
27:36
Speaker 1: These are the entire season, all sixteen games, all sixteen
27:40
Speaker 1: and no twelve catches, one hundred and sixty two yards
27:44
Speaker 1: and two touchdowns. You said twelve catches. Yeah, doesn't that
27:49
Speaker 1: feel low? That was your spring prediction or your no,
27:52
Speaker 1: I did not do one in the spring. I only
27:54
Speaker 1: did one in the summer, and so this was pre camp,
27:58
Speaker 1: post post spring. Yeah, so you're stake. No, I feel
28:02
Speaker 1: it's a little bit low right now, because I've got
28:04
Speaker 1: some other numbers here that feel a little bit high.
28:06
Speaker 1: I also feel a little bit low. Definitely.
28:08
Speaker 2: The receptions I think are low for sure. That's that's
28:11
Speaker 2: my that's my take on that one. Well, and the
28:13
Speaker 2: thing that I want to how many yards in touchdowns?
28:15
Speaker 1: You say one.
28:16
Speaker 2: Hundred and sixty two yards and two touchdowns? Okay, now, yeah,
28:20
Speaker 2: I think that's all low.
28:21
Speaker 1: With If he does have twelve touch or twelve catches
28:24
Speaker 1: this season, he will tie for tenth all time in
28:29
Speaker 1: Ohio State freshman wide receiver history with Chris Olave and
28:34
Speaker 1: Dane Sanzenbacher. So Chris o' lobby played quite a bit
28:39
Speaker 1: as a true freshman. He went twelve for one, ninety
28:41
Speaker 1: seven and three. If brock Boyd can have that kind
28:44
Speaker 1: of year, I think that's great. But Chris o'lbvey did
28:46
Speaker 1: most of his work in the second half. So maybe
28:49
Speaker 1: if brock Boyd can do it the entire season, then
28:51
Speaker 1: those numbers are going to be higher. Here's one this
28:55
Speaker 1: is This feels low to me now, especially after watching camp.
28:58
Speaker 1: So this is Chris Henry junior, and it's not low
29:02
Speaker 1: for a freshman. It's very high for a freshman. Twenty
29:04
Speaker 1: six catches, three hundred and sixty eight yards and five touchdowns. Yeah,
29:12
Speaker 1: I think it's low. So here's the deal, Ton.
29:15
Speaker 2: When I'm looking at these two freshmen, I'm looking at
29:18
Speaker 2: a couple of things. Number One, when we pull up
29:20
Speaker 2: these pass stats with these wide receivers, they're coming in
29:24
Speaker 2: so much more prepared now than they ever did before,
29:28
Speaker 2: particularly Brock right, Like, I don't know that we can
29:31
Speaker 2: recall a guy who's come in and we've heard this
29:34
Speaker 2: many coaches say, this dude's like, you know, he's been
29:37
Speaker 2: in college already, Like he's coming in at a way
29:40
Speaker 2: different level. Far more advanced, not physically though physically has
29:45
Speaker 2: a lot of talent that a lot of those guys had,
29:47
Speaker 2: but but what he's doing and how fast he's up
29:50
Speaker 2: to speed, I feel like the trust factor is much
29:54
Speaker 2: different than freshmen were ten years ago. And then with Chris,
29:59
Speaker 2: he also comes and pretty advanced on that end, but
30:02
Speaker 2: then physically what he adds is just a different level
30:06
Speaker 2: that makes you trust a little more there too. And
30:08
Speaker 2: then in addition to that, the guys that are ahead
30:11
Speaker 2: of them, right when you look at number when you
30:14
Speaker 2: look at Bi great great teammate, great buck guy, not
30:18
Speaker 2: a great wide receiver, not a guy that you're like,
30:20
Speaker 2: we can't take him off the field. And Devin McEwan,
30:23
Speaker 2: who has played really, really good so far since he's
30:27
Speaker 2: been at Ohio State. But you know, there still are
30:29
Speaker 2: some questions as to how good this is going to
30:31
Speaker 2: be with him out there with Jeremiah or if it
30:34
Speaker 2: doesn't look better with one of those two. We just
30:37
Speaker 2: don't know yet about that. So because of all those factors,
30:41
Speaker 2: I feel like, looking at these past great wide receivers
30:44
Speaker 2: at Ohio State, what they did is freshman I think
30:47
Speaker 2: there's a chance that these two kind of just both
30:49
Speaker 2: blow it away.
30:51
Speaker 1: Interesting because even with those numbers that I gave you
30:54
Speaker 1: for Chris Henry Junior, which were twenty six for three
30:57
Speaker 1: sixty eight, that would put him that would be the
31:01
Speaker 1: fifth best all time among Ohio State freshmen, moving past
31:06
Speaker 1: Ted Ginn and being just just behind Garrett Wilson. And
31:11
Speaker 1: just to give people an idea that I haven't heard
31:13
Speaker 1: us talk about this before. So Jeremiah Smith is the
31:16
Speaker 1: freshman record holder seventy six catches. Chris Carter is number
31:19
Speaker 1: two with forty one, David Boston is number three with
31:22
Speaker 1: thirty three, and Garrett Wilson is number four with thirty
31:25
Speaker 1: He's the only other receiver to hit thirty as a
31:28
Speaker 1: true freshman. And so if they've got two guys that
31:31
Speaker 1: can do that, you know, look out. But when I
31:34
Speaker 1: say twenty six for three sixty eight, this is no
31:36
Speaker 1: slight on Chris Henry Jr. This is just the reality
31:40
Speaker 1: or the reality of the past. Who knows what the
31:43
Speaker 1: reality of the future and the present is. Jeremiah Smith.
31:49
Speaker 1: I'm I believe he's going to catch I think I said,
31:53
Speaker 1: I think I have him tying like Terry Glenn's touchdown record.
31:56
Speaker 1: So I think that's seventeen. But I have him beating
32:00
Speaker 1: Jackson Smith's reception record of ninety five, but not beating
32:04
Speaker 1: his sixteen hundred and six yards. So I'm going to
32:06
Speaker 1: say something like, I'll just say one hundred catches for
32:11
Speaker 1: about fourteen hundred and eighty five yards and seventeen touchdowns. One.
32:18
Speaker 1: Don't you dare say that's not realistic or not attainable
32:21
Speaker 1: because you're crazy. I know you're trying to say that.
32:23
Speaker 1: You know you're trying to take all of the unders
32:24
Speaker 1: on this one, but it's hard to say. Like Jeremiah Smith,
32:29
Speaker 1: the projections are just limited by opportunities and quarterback being
32:34
Speaker 1: upright and how the defenses are going to handle him.
32:36
Speaker 1: But I do think he's going to break Jackson Smith's
32:39
Speaker 1: in Jackson Smith and jigbas ninety five receptions provided they
32:44
Speaker 1: play at least, say fifteen games. So he goes as
32:49
Speaker 1: a freshman seventy six, sophomore eighty seven, and that's third
32:55
Speaker 1: all time behind Paris Campbell's ninety and twenty eighteen and
32:59
Speaker 1: jack Since ninety five and twenty twenty one. I just
33:04
Speaker 1: kind of.
33:05
Speaker 2: I kind of feel like there is and I know
33:08
Speaker 2: that Ryan Day has been very reluctant to do this
33:10
Speaker 2: over the last few years. But don't you feel like
33:14
Speaker 2: there's gonna be a push to give him the biggest
33:17
Speaker 2: possible bang that he could have, Like, we know what
33:22
Speaker 2: he can do, let's make sure we give it to
33:25
Speaker 2: him this year in his final year, because it also
33:29
Speaker 2: is probably what's best for the team. So I like
33:34
Speaker 2: your numbers, I don't know that I that I don't
33:36
Speaker 2: feel like I would be like right there with you
33:38
Speaker 2: on those numbers. It's kind of tough to take a
33:41
Speaker 2: to take an under on that. I feel like it's
33:43
Speaker 2: tough to take an over. Those are some really big
33:45
Speaker 2: numbers with this slow offense, right Like those really big
33:48
Speaker 2: with this offense. Yeah, it would feel very bold to
33:53
Speaker 2: take the under for me too, So I don't really
33:55
Speaker 2: want to do that.
33:56
Speaker 1: I just think the sixteen hundred and six yards that
33:59
Speaker 1: Jackson Spit the Jig had in twenty twenty one, like
34:02
Speaker 1: it's you got to hit a three hundred and forty
34:04
Speaker 1: seven yard game against in the Rose Bowl. He had
34:07
Speaker 1: another two hundred yard game. He had two games of
34:09
Speaker 1: fifteen catches like he had I think nine hundred and
34:12
Speaker 1: fifty yards receiving in the last five or six games,
34:16
Speaker 1: so it's like, you're not. I don't expect a tear
34:19
Speaker 1: like that, especially since I don't think they're gonna nobody's
34:22
Speaker 1: gonna put a running back on Jeremiah Smith in any
34:25
Speaker 1: games this year, which which will help. But if they do,
34:29
Speaker 1: you know, you're crazy. But so there's Jeremiah. I do
34:33
Speaker 1: want to talk a little bit about Devn McEwen because here, boy,
34:38
Speaker 1: here's some ebbs and flows that I've had with Devin McEwen.
34:41
Speaker 1: Because we did an expectations show pre spring, so like
34:45
Speaker 1: back in February, then we did another one post spring,
34:50
Speaker 1: and let me just tell you, so the winter, I
34:53
Speaker 1: had Devin McEwan with forty one catches for five hundred
34:57
Speaker 1: and thirty seven yards and five touchdowns. Then I watched
35:01
Speaker 1: him in the spring and didn't see much from him, right,
35:05
Speaker 1: and my numbers went from forty one catches to twenty seven,
35:09
Speaker 1: from five hundred and thirty seven yards to three hundred
35:11
Speaker 1: and eighty four, from five touchdowns to three and then
35:15
Speaker 1: so we're talking twenty seven catches for three hundred and
35:17
Speaker 1: eighty four yards, three touchdowns. That was my pre camp.
35:20
Speaker 1: Day two of camp happens and I'm ready like thousand yards.
35:25
Speaker 1: So I think I would probably just maybe double my
35:30
Speaker 1: twenty seven, three, eighty four and three as maybe a
35:34
Speaker 1: mid point four or a guess for Devin McEwan. Uh, probably,
35:39
Speaker 1: you know, probably better than doubling my winter numbers of
35:44
Speaker 1: forty one, five, thirty seven and five. So if I
35:46
Speaker 1: say fifty four catches for three hundred and or for
35:50
Speaker 1: seven hundred and sixty eight yards or six, I'll get
35:53
Speaker 1: this right, Yeah, seven sixty eight and six touchdowns? Where
35:57
Speaker 1: are you with Devin McEwen on that?
36:00
Speaker 2: So, you know, back in spring, I always thought he
36:05
Speaker 2: was going to be the starter at Z, but there
36:09
Speaker 2: was a lot you know, Kyle Parker was also there
36:11
Speaker 2: as well. And why is Kyle Parker there when he's
36:13
Speaker 2: a natural fit in the slot and he's played seventy
36:16
Speaker 2: five percent of his career snaps in the slot. Made
36:19
Speaker 2: me think, well, maybe Devin McEwan's not doing what Devin
36:22
Speaker 2: McEwen needs to do to win that role, and that's
36:24
Speaker 2: why he's there a little insurance because now behind him
36:27
Speaker 2: you got freshman Brock and Drew Quayon. So now that
36:31
Speaker 2: it seems very very clear that not only has he
36:34
Speaker 2: seized that role. But he is very, very capable of
36:39
Speaker 2: doing the downfield stuff as we've seen it with our
36:42
Speaker 2: own eyes, and he is pretty freaky.
36:46
Speaker 1: I am feeling like.
36:49
Speaker 2: Kind of right there with you because I don't want
36:51
Speaker 2: to get ahead of myself, because then I also think
36:54
Speaker 2: that there is going to be a push to get
36:58
Speaker 2: brock and and to get Chris involved in a way
37:03
Speaker 2: that you know, you know, when you look at next year,
37:05
Speaker 2: you got to be able to answer that question rolling
37:07
Speaker 2: into next year, what kind of portal additions do we
37:11
Speaker 2: need to make in this room? How much can we
37:13
Speaker 2: rely on these guys being high level guys in year two?
37:17
Speaker 1: And I think that.
37:18
Speaker 2: That shoulders some more experimentation on their part that they
37:22
Speaker 2: both run with. So I feel like you're really well,
37:26
Speaker 2: I would say maybe those are slightly under. I would
37:29
Speaker 2: maybe say just a little bit under.
37:31
Speaker 1: I think Ohio State would love that If those numbers
37:34
Speaker 1: are under, and you're talking about an eight hundred yard
37:36
Speaker 1: guy with fifty some catches and you know, a half
37:38
Speaker 1: dozen to ten touchdowns, that would be great for that spot.
37:41
Speaker 1: That would take some of the pressure off of Jeremiah Smith.
37:43
Speaker 1: That would force the defense to focus more on the
37:47
Speaker 1: other guys, which is really going to be devnic Q
37:50
Speaker 1: in one of his key roles. It's just make a
37:52
Speaker 1: safety pay attention to you, you know, and if they don't,
37:55
Speaker 1: then make sure that that quarterback pays and that defensive
37:58
Speaker 1: coordinator pays for not respecting you. And if he can
38:02
Speaker 1: do that, then he could, you know, he could have
38:04
Speaker 1: some really good numbers this year. The last thing on
38:08
Speaker 1: these projections, I just want to talk about Brandon in
38:10
Speaker 1: this because now I did this in the summer and
38:13
Speaker 1: this feels I don't know, I don't know. You tell
38:18
Speaker 1: me how you think this is. Because we're talking about
38:20
Speaker 1: Brandon in this last year with like what thirty three
38:23
Speaker 1: catches for like two hundred and seventy yards, So I'm
38:27
Speaker 1: saying this year thirty five for four eighteen and four,
38:30
Speaker 1: and if he can average that, you know, twelve or
38:32
Speaker 1: thirteen yards of catch, I think that's a win almost
38:35
Speaker 1: regardless of the number of catches that he has. But
38:37
Speaker 1: thirty five four eighteen and four, which I did before
38:40
Speaker 1: summer camp, how do you feel about that before fall camp?
38:44
Speaker 1: So the receptions feels high to me now, though.
38:49
Speaker 2: It almost does to me too, like I thought, honestly,
38:52
Speaker 2: looking back at last year saying that he caught thirty
38:57
Speaker 2: three balls, and man, it didn't feel like he caught
38:59
Speaker 2: thirty three balls. And then you see the yards and
39:02
Speaker 2: it's like, well, the players didn't really stand out. They
39:05
Speaker 2: weren't very you know, the yards were so low for
39:08
Speaker 2: thirty three balls. So I think it makes a lot
39:11
Speaker 2: more sense when you put him up over four hundred
39:13
Speaker 2: with about the same number of catches and you look
39:17
Speaker 2: at this, you know, this tight end crew. How much
39:20
Speaker 2: are they taken away from him? Are they taking away
39:22
Speaker 2: as much as Max Claire would have Probably not, So
39:26
Speaker 2: maybe that would logically tick him up a little bit more.
39:30
Speaker 2: But then, you know, I just don't. I know that
39:34
Speaker 2: there are some compilations out there of Brandon Innis running
39:38
Speaker 2: wide open in a couple of games, and it's got everybody.
39:40
Speaker 2: So this is all on Julian, Like you could put
39:43
Speaker 2: one of those compilations together for every wide receiver on
39:46
Speaker 2: every football team. I don't think honestly, Tony last year
39:53
Speaker 2: when we watched bi in the spring and in the preseason,
39:57
Speaker 2: he stood out more to me last year as being
39:59
Speaker 2: quicker and more elusive going into the year than he
40:01
Speaker 2: does this year. So like I'm not expecting much more
40:06
Speaker 2: than what we got out of him last year. Not
40:08
Speaker 2: because he is in a valuable football player. He's a
40:11
Speaker 2: great member of the team, probably gonna win a captain
40:13
Speaker 2: see him maybe the black Oh, very valuable dude. I
40:16
Speaker 2: just don't think he's very valuable in the receiving game.
40:19
Speaker 2: And that is why I clutch. He makes some clutch
40:22
Speaker 2: catches here. Yeah there, that's great, got good hands. But
40:25
Speaker 2: I don't think he's a production guy. So I'm gonna
40:29
Speaker 2: go probably, you know, i'd go right with you there,
40:32
Speaker 2: I'd go maybe a little bit, a little bit under.
40:35
Speaker 1: I think a little bit under. It's interesting because we
40:38
Speaker 1: did he did look quicker last fall camp, and you're like, Okay,
40:43
Speaker 1: I see what all the talk is about. You know,
40:45
Speaker 1: it's true, I see it, But then it didn't register.
40:49
Speaker 1: And the thing that I always say about these these
40:51
Speaker 1: compilations are he's running free, where is he in the progression?
40:54
Speaker 1: Which read is he Because if he's four, it doesn't matter,
40:57
Speaker 1: if he's three, it doesn't matter when one and two
40:59
Speaker 1: or Jeremiah Smith and car So I don't want to like,
41:02
Speaker 1: if he's running free, then put him higher into progression
41:05
Speaker 1: and maybe they will, and maybe he'll shatter the numbers
41:08
Speaker 1: that we've seen from him. I wonder if would you
41:12
Speaker 1: say he's more likely to be like Xavier Johnson, who
41:16
Speaker 1: had some big moments for the Buckeyes and in his
41:21
Speaker 1: last two years, Xavier Johnson thirteen catches each year. But
41:25
Speaker 1: I think I think because of his running back time,
41:29
Speaker 1: we view him as more more than that, you know,
41:32
Speaker 1: like he did more things. He made big plays. I
41:36
Speaker 1: had big play against Georgia and other things like that.
41:40
Speaker 1: But I wonder if maybe that's more along the lines
41:44
Speaker 1: of what we'll see if the freshman can step in
41:48
Speaker 1: and do some things. And I will say also TJ.
41:51
Speaker 1: Alford this past week talking about your Quaighton Gilford said
41:54
Speaker 1: he reminds him of Jamison Williams. He got some Jamison
41:57
Speaker 1: Williams and some Garrett Wilson to him, so did So
42:01
Speaker 1: we'll see anything else on what you're expecting, what you
42:05
Speaker 1: think of this room this year.
42:07
Speaker 2: I think we both talked a lot about how much
42:10
Speaker 2: we like Philip Bell and you know, if there is
42:14
Speaker 2: potentially an injury or something like, I just feel really
42:19
Speaker 2: good about him being able to come in and fill
42:22
Speaker 2: in a lot in the slot and be able to
42:25
Speaker 2: hold it down at a pretty high level. He's waiting
42:28
Speaker 2: for his opportunity. And you know, to your point about
42:31
Speaker 2: Dez Dez Jones looked pretty dog one good this preseason.
42:34
Speaker 2: He's coming along as well, a guy that rarely gets
42:37
Speaker 2: talked about. So all in all, the depth of this room,
42:40
Speaker 2: I feel really really good about I've felt.
42:44
Speaker 1: I feel better about it now, certainly than I did
42:46
Speaker 1: this summer when there were concerns and the opinion was, well,
42:50
Speaker 1: let's see what happens in fall camp. I think we've seen.
42:52
Speaker 1: And that's without seeing anything from Kyle Parker to this
42:55
Speaker 1: point and the summer in the off season that Chris
42:58
Speaker 1: Henry has had has been elite, and so it's would
43:02
Speaker 1: stand to follow that he would just go ahead and
43:04
Speaker 1: continue to be a viable option for the offense this
43:08
Speaker 1: season to the future. Juck and that buddy. First, let's
43:16
Speaker 1: real quick. On twenty twenty seven, you got Jimmy or Brown,
43:19
Speaker 1: you got Jordan Dona. Who are they done?
43:20
Speaker 2: Is there?
43:21
Speaker 1: You know? Is somebody gonna pop back up? Well? Will
43:23
Speaker 1: there be a senior season where they're like yeah, you know, well,
43:25
Speaker 1: let's see, they've already got a Jordan Dona who type.
43:28
Speaker 1: I don't know that they want to go ahead and
43:29
Speaker 1: take another flyer on somebody unless there's an elite trait
43:32
Speaker 1: that they're like, well, let's let's see. But do you
43:34
Speaker 1: think they're done? I think so.
43:37
Speaker 2: I think this is how it closes at wide receiver,
43:40
Speaker 2: barring seeing a situation pop up like we're seeing at
43:44
Speaker 2: running back with Trenard Roberts, which is you know, it's
43:47
Speaker 2: just doubtful that we're gonna see a super high level
43:52
Speaker 2: guy that nobody knew about or somebody knew about, and
43:54
Speaker 2: he disappeared and now he's back. And I don't think
43:57
Speaker 2: that they are looking for another projecty guy. You got
44:01
Speaker 2: Jayden Ricketts on the roster from last year with like
44:05
Speaker 2: you said, he's got an elite trade, really really fast guy.
44:08
Speaker 2: You get Donahue who's got the size. You kind of
44:11
Speaker 2: got your bases covered there, So I don't see another
44:14
Speaker 2: one of those type dudes.
44:17
Speaker 1: Moving then to twenty twenty eight, which I'm wondering and
44:22
Speaker 1: we'll talk about this is this going to be assuming
44:26
Speaker 1: everything goes as plan? The twenty twenty seven defensive line
44:28
Speaker 1: class where you know they've got Jet Harrison are committed.
44:32
Speaker 1: Do you expect that he will sign. They're right up
44:35
Speaker 1: there with Brayln Clark, five star out of North Carolina. There.
44:39
Speaker 1: You know, we'll see what happens with Lorenzo McMullen in state,
44:43
Speaker 1: five star from since Cincinnati Princeton watching him the other
44:47
Speaker 1: day play his season opener, Like is there a world
44:52
Speaker 1: where the Buckeyes can sign those three guys? And is
44:56
Speaker 1: the money there? And that's also factoring in. Is Brandon
44:59
Speaker 1: in his as Devin McEwan back, is Kyle Parker back?
45:03
Speaker 1: Like Parker has another well they all have another year
45:06
Speaker 1: of eligibility now, but those are also decisions that would
45:09
Speaker 1: factor and frankly, we'll have to see what those seasons
45:13
Speaker 1: are to see like who would they rather have a
45:16
Speaker 1: five star freshman that they really want or one last
45:19
Speaker 1: year with a senior who frankly, if they're thinking about it,
45:23
Speaker 1: then they should kind of move on.
45:26
Speaker 2: What and like, honestly, to imagine if it is Brandon
45:29
Speaker 2: Innis who wants to play the year, but he.
45:32
Speaker 1: Puts up the same year he did last year.
45:34
Speaker 2: You got this guy who's an amazing leader and everything
45:37
Speaker 2: else and all these great things about him, but you know,
45:42
Speaker 2: not a standout and then you're gonna pay him what
45:45
Speaker 2: you'd pay a guy like a McMullen or or a
45:49
Speaker 2: Braylen Clark. I mean, it's a really different position that
45:53
Speaker 2: you're in now. Or Kyle Parker, Let's say he's you know,
45:56
Speaker 2: somewhat banged up for most of the year and doesn't
45:58
Speaker 2: get to play much, and you know, what's your decision.
46:01
Speaker 2: Then of course Cortes Aancton has that relationship with them.
46:04
Speaker 2: You know, when we look at positions as we're now
46:07
Speaker 2: in this era where you know, you pick your positions
46:10
Speaker 2: where you're going to take your swing every year. Of
46:12
Speaker 2: course we saw that at defensive end in this class
46:16
Speaker 2: of twenty twenty seven.
46:17
Speaker 1: Where's it going to be next year?
46:21
Speaker 2: You look obviously at quarterback for sure, you got a
46:24
Speaker 2: top five running back committed in the class. I think
46:28
Speaker 2: that the defensive tackle, you know already with Jamir Weiss
46:32
Speaker 2: pushing for Kellen Hall. And we talked about tis On
46:35
Speaker 2: Swan or aid yeah, Aiden Avili recently in a show
46:41
Speaker 2: and on the board at buck Eye Insider's we can
46:43
Speaker 2: join us and talk about all this good stuff way
46:46
Speaker 2: ahead of time. You get all the juice long before
46:48
Speaker 2: everybody else. And I think that defensive tackle is definitely
46:53
Speaker 2: a position, but then you look at safety, where they're
46:56
Speaker 2: also in on Casey Barner, who's taking the Internet by
46:59
Speaker 2: storm Casey Barner as Ohio State right at the top
47:01
Speaker 2: of his list. I think that more than planning ahead
47:04
Speaker 2: for this, it's almost like, yeah, here's where we'd like
47:07
Speaker 2: to take a swing. This would be ideal, but where
47:10
Speaker 2: are we building These early relationships with that are going
47:13
Speaker 2: to help us lock it down, and then we decide
47:16
Speaker 2: from there where we're going to swing the money. And
47:18
Speaker 2: it certainly looks like at wide receiver, early relationships with
47:22
Speaker 2: top tier dudes lines you up, and it also sets
47:26
Speaker 2: up for the room where investing heavily in twenty twenty
47:29
Speaker 2: seven with Eric McFarland and a couple of the other
47:33
Speaker 2: top tier prospects like Monshuine Sales that they had a
47:36
Speaker 2: relationship with, it didn't really make a ton of sense
47:39
Speaker 2: to put them in the heels right after the guys
47:41
Speaker 2: you just got this year with Brock and Drew Quayden
47:43
Speaker 2: and Chris Henry, where you spend a lot of money
47:46
Speaker 2: in that class, make it every other year, so you're
47:49
Speaker 2: certainly aligned. Braylan Clark loves Ohio State. You get two
47:52
Speaker 2: of them, get Jet and Brailan, And I do think
47:54
Speaker 2: Jet done deal. If you can get Jet and Brailand
48:00
Speaker 2: with those type of guys, your your money. McMullen, I think,
48:05
Speaker 2: to me, even though he is currently rated right you know,
48:08
Speaker 2: right up there high, I don't put him in the
48:10
Speaker 2: same category of talent, and I'm not so sure that
48:13
Speaker 2: he would be worth that same kind of money if
48:15
Speaker 2: that's what he's going to require to get.
48:17
Speaker 1: So we'll see about that one. But yeah, I do
48:20
Speaker 1: think it'll be.
48:20
Speaker 2: A really highly rated class here at the wide Receiver room.
48:24
Speaker 1: It'll be fun to watch them put that together. And
48:26
Speaker 1: then invariably at this time every year you're looking ahead
48:31
Speaker 1: at the next class, you're like, oh, yeah, it's like
48:33
Speaker 1: Kean Keeley and Dylan Stewart and you know all these guys.
48:35
Speaker 1: You know they're all gonna end up you know whatever,
48:37
Speaker 1: and every year is going to be the best class ever.
48:40
Speaker 1: So it never happens that way. So then you're like, well,
48:42
Speaker 1: if it's not, you know which one is, who's the
48:45
Speaker 1: odd man out? If, like you said, if they can
48:46
Speaker 1: get to and the way Brayln Clark talks and people
48:49
Speaker 1: talk about him like that's he's it's almost their their
48:53
Speaker 1: recruitment to lose, and they could We've seen we've seen
48:56
Speaker 1: that happen with other top flight prospects. Uh. And so
49:00
Speaker 1: it you know it is, then it becomes well, as
49:03
Speaker 1: long as you get one of the guys. And it's
49:04
Speaker 1: like three months ago you were saying all three could
49:07
Speaker 1: be in here. So it's like, well, as long as
49:09
Speaker 1: next year, as long as you can keep somebody, as
49:12
Speaker 1: long as you keep Austin Miller in twenty twenty nine,
49:14
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter if you didn't get anybody in twenty
49:16
Speaker 1: twenty eight, but twenty twenty eight looks very good. Twenty
49:20
Speaker 1: twenty nine, the rankings came out and Austin Miller, who
49:23
Speaker 1: was discussed as the top receiver in the class, suddenly
49:27
Speaker 1: when the rankings come out, it's like, well, he's committed,
49:31
Speaker 1: so how far can we drop him? And he's like
49:34
Speaker 1: number ten or whatever right now and borderline top one
49:37
Speaker 1: hundred guy. But the twenty twenty nine there there's a
49:41
Speaker 1: couple of guys there as well, including what a kid
49:45
Speaker 1: from Mueller that I watched the other night, who's like
49:50
Speaker 1: a top ten receiver, like six' three two o five
49:52
Speaker 1: already looks. Big they're calling him a tight end on
49:55
Speaker 1: the broadcast because it's like that's what he looks. Like he's, like,
49:58
Speaker 1: no he's just he's just a big. Receiver So Austin
50:01
Speaker 1: miller a great start for them in twenty twenty, nine for.
50:04
Speaker 2: SURE i So rivals comes out number eleven wide receiver
50:09
Speaker 2: in the, country number ninety six. Overall two four to
50:13
Speaker 2: seven rolls out in their initial ranking On Austin miller
50:16
Speaker 2: number ten wide, receiver number fifty, overall And i'm just
50:20
Speaker 2: like busting a gut. MAN i, mean it is so
50:23
Speaker 2: comical to me that they think they can find ten
50:27
Speaker 2: prospects that have a Brighter and remember they grade these
50:31
Speaker 2: guys on.
50:32
Speaker 1: Their PROJECTED nfl draft. Stock that's how they grade.
50:35
Speaker 2: Themselves this guy is the closest thing To megatron at
50:40
Speaker 2: fifteen years, old Since. Megatron but you, know there's not
50:45
Speaker 2: a ton of film on. Him he hasn't been to
50:46
Speaker 2: a ton of, camps which is what they always. SAY i, mean,
50:50
Speaker 2: yeah you watch him FOR i don't, know six or seven,
50:53
Speaker 2: plays and it's enough to tell you that this is
50:55
Speaker 2: absolutely a top three wide receiver in any, class just that.
51:00
Speaker 2: Simple so that'll definitely play out like that in the,
51:04
Speaker 2: end and he is certainly a guy that for as
51:08
Speaker 2: long as he has to go Before penn gets put to,
51:11
Speaker 2: paper really seems like, boy he's enamored With Ohio, state
51:15
Speaker 2: mature parents who seem to really like that and like
51:18
Speaker 2: the structure that one feels awfully good for so far, out.
51:24
Speaker 1: And he's a mature guy and he's very he's approaching
51:28
Speaker 1: this very. Professionally we also saw at camp Saw Sip,
51:33
Speaker 1: cooper who is the number two receiver for twenty four to,
51:37
Speaker 1: seven And Maddix porter looked very. Good he's the number one,
51:40
Speaker 1: receiver number four player overall for twenty four to. Seven
51:42
Speaker 1: also in that twenty nine. CLASS i really really really
51:46
Speaker 1: Liked Maddix. Porter we talked To Sip. Cooper he has
51:48
Speaker 1: now since committed TO, smu so that's. Right as with
51:54
Speaker 1: ALL smu commits at this, point it's, like, well it's very,
51:57
Speaker 1: early and yes he's From, Frisco, texas AND i, understand
52:00
Speaker 1: but still there's.
52:02
Speaker 2: Gonna be Hayden. Ko we really liked as. Well hayden
52:05
Speaker 2: cou from Another West coaster Like Blake. Wong Hayden ku
52:09
Speaker 2: came in and uh and in stole the show one,
52:12
Speaker 2: day gout his, offer and he's climbing the rankings.
52:16
Speaker 1: Too i'd really like to see him in the. Class
52:18
Speaker 1: they nobody could cover him that, day and, YEAH i
52:21
Speaker 1: think he had the holes in his shirt to prove,
52:22
Speaker 1: it like just getting ripped up and grabbed and was
52:27
Speaker 1: letting people know that he just scored. Again it was
52:30
Speaker 1: fun to, watch and it's always interesting to see you're
52:33
Speaker 1: watching these camps and then you start looking at rankings
52:36
Speaker 1: months afterwards or however long, afterwards you, LIKE i saw that,
52:39
Speaker 1: guy saw that. Guy, oh this is the number four
52:41
Speaker 1: guy and this is the number one guy in the. Nation,
52:43
Speaker 1: yeah we watched him running, hoops we saw him doing,
52:46
Speaker 1: this he saw him doing. That it's just like it's
52:49
Speaker 1: the very first place to see like the next college
52:52
Speaker 1: stars because they're coming from all over the Place, California, Florida, alabama.
52:56
Speaker 2: Wherever a ton of, fun man a ton of. Fun
52:59
Speaker 2: and those are open at the. Public anybody can. Go
53:02
Speaker 2: H SO i highly recommend. It if you like falling,
53:05
Speaker 2: recruiting you can go to Those ohio state camps and look.
53:07
Speaker 1: At these dudes in, person but know who you're looking. For,
53:11
Speaker 1: yeah that's or else you're you're not gonna see.
53:13
Speaker 2: To get organized ahead of. Time we'll tell you firsthand.
53:16
Speaker 1: Experience, yeah it's it's it's a tire. Fire it's a
53:19
Speaker 1: mass trying to figure, out, well did this person say
53:21
Speaker 1: they said they were going to be? Here are they?
53:23
Speaker 1: HERE i don't know. Yet they haven't. Arrived they're playing
53:25
Speaker 1: supposed to land, Here and and then you're just you're
53:28
Speaker 1: everybody's cross. Referencing have you seen this? Guy whereas you
53:30
Speaker 1: have you? Seen who is this? GUY i don't. Know
53:31
Speaker 1: we're trying to figure out who that. Is so if you,
53:34
Speaker 1: go if you do not go, in if you go
53:36
Speaker 1: in with no, plan you're just gonna see a bunch of.
53:38
Speaker 1: People then you're gonna have to ask. People and that's
53:40
Speaker 1: that's also what, happens, because like you, SAID i talked
53:43
Speaker 1: with some fans who just showed up and wanted to see,
53:45
Speaker 1: it and they're, like who's? This And i'm, LIKE i
53:47
Speaker 1: think this is this and this is the quarterback you
53:49
Speaker 1: need to, watch and this is this Guy and get
53:53
Speaker 1: to sound like an expert at, times as long as
53:54
Speaker 1: they're asking about the right.
53:55
Speaker 2: People that Is, heck we thought we were looking At
53:59
Speaker 2: William green saw. Right well we were kid's Name's William
54:04
Speaker 2: green the, third but we thought it was The. Browns
54:06
Speaker 2: Former William green From miami and Different William green From.
54:10
Speaker 1: Texas very very.
54:11
Speaker 2: Good got A buckeye offer top top three hundred. Kids so,
54:16
Speaker 2: yeah chance.
54:17
Speaker 1: There so there you go on the wide. Receivers this
54:21
Speaker 1: has been a long time coming and a it's a
54:25
Speaker 1: very difficult thing to, do and that's WHY i did
54:27
Speaker 1: not do, it and that's WHY i Had juck do it,
54:29
Speaker 1: instead BECAUSE i DON'T i don't want to go through
54:31
Speaker 1: that mental anguish and knowing that you can't possibly get it,
54:34
Speaker 1: right and you're supposed to put it out there for.
54:36
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54:39
Speaker 1: where he was, wrong let him know what's your and
54:43
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54:46
Speaker 1: Five you don't want to go that far because it's
54:48
Speaker 1: it's an emotional. Journey if you just want to do
54:50
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54:54
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