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Killer Thriller x Docu: Patrick Clancy speaks. Why are people still questioning him? · Legally Brunette

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  Speaker 1: Amy Robach and TJ Holmes present Killer Thriller with your host,
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  Speaker 1: Alisa Donovan.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, everyone.
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  Speaker 1: Alisa Donovan here from Killer Thriller. And today I am
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  Speaker 1: joined by Jen Fessler from Killer Thriller Docu.
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  Speaker 3: Hi, guys. Morning.
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  Speaker 1: Good morning.
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  Speaker 3: Good morning.
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  Speaker 1: So Jen and I have both been following the Lindsay
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  Speaker 1: Clancy case, as everyone on the planet has as well,
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  Speaker 1: since the mistrial. And so much has happened. And we
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  Speaker 1: now know the jury was split 11 to 1. And
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  Speaker 1: we're learning more about the loan holdout and the question
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  Speaker 1: of whether Lindsay will face another trial is still up
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  Speaker 1: in the air. There is a ton to talk about.
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  Speaker 1: But obviously, we thought we... probably need to begin with
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  Speaker 1: talking about Patrick Clancy being on 60 Minutes last night.
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  Speaker 1: So what are your thoughts on that?
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  Speaker 3: I read a lot this morning about how people felt
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  Speaker 3: like it was like 60 Minutes dropped the ball. It
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  Speaker 3: was anticlimactic. And I personally don't know what people were expecting.
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  Speaker 3: So I never suspected that he did it. I felt terrible,
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  Speaker 3: as I know you did, that he had to even
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  Speaker 3: go through what the filming of 60 minutes for what
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  Speaker 3: reason I felt like I read a lot of criticism
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  Speaker 3: of his wife, his now wife from bloggers who said
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  Speaker 3: she's not good on TV. Like who gives a shit?
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  Speaker 3: She's not good on TV. She's making fun of her.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, this is a woman who met a man
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  Speaker 3: in a running club and found out that his previous
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  Speaker 3: wife strangled his three children. That's a lot to take on.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, that's a lot of baggage. And this woman
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  Speaker 3: who actually, I think, seems very lovely, loved him enough
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  Speaker 3: to take that on and they're living their life. And
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  Speaker 3: all I see is her and him getting slammed. I
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  Speaker 3: don't get it.
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  Speaker 1: I am so disgusted, outraged, disappointed, just that he had
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  Speaker 1: to do this at all.
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  Speaker 3: Yep.
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  Speaker 2: This man has been through Unspeakable trauma. He has tried
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  Speaker 2: to move on.
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  Speaker 1: He's done all these things in honor of this loss
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  Speaker 1: and has tried and has forgiven his wife.
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  Speaker 2: Who are we to.
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  Speaker 1: Be sitting here making these judgments on these people?
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  Speaker 2: And I just can't understand.
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  Speaker 1: I'm so disgusted that he had to do this at all.
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  Speaker 2: This is the last thing that this man wants to do,
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  Speaker 2: I am sure.
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  Speaker 1: And so he has to explain himself because of all
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  Speaker 1: of these internet people who sit behind their screen.
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  Speaker 2: And some of them are well-known faces.
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  Speaker 3: Decide to make. When they flash her face up there
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  Speaker 3: in terms of people.
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  Speaker 2: I'm sorry. This she, it is, it is a disgrace.
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  Speaker 3: We're on the same page here because I am, I
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  Speaker 3: am infuriated. Even, you know, he said he got to
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  Speaker 3: New York. He went to say Patrick's cathedral.
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  Speaker 1: My heart.
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  Speaker 3: A religious man and a spiritual man. And he left...
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  Speaker 3: And he was crying and no one noticed. So he
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  Speaker 3: could have peace.
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  Speaker 2: He could grieve in peace.
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  Speaker 3: Awful, just awful. And he, you know, what I pick
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  Speaker 3: up from him, I don't know how anyone would just,
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  Speaker 3: he has a very, his affect is very sort of plain.
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  Speaker 3: He doesn't, there's not a lot of highs and lows
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  Speaker 3: to his voice. Right.
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  Speaker 1: There's no, he's not a dynamic sort of personality.
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  Speaker 3: Exactly. Doesn't bother me one bit. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And like, he's supposed to be, you know, I'm just.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think people judge on that. Like, because he,
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  Speaker 3: his demeanor is, um, he's not a personality. Doesn't mean
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  Speaker 3: because he's sort of flat in demeanor does not mean
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  Speaker 3: that he killed his three children. It's, it's outrageous. I
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  Speaker 3: find him sincere. I find him, um, sympathetic. You know, I,
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  Speaker 3: I don't know. It's, it's tragic how, um, the internet
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  Speaker 3: just plays these games, right?
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  Speaker 4: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: And I was very moved by him talking about, you know,
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  Speaker 1: seeing all these headlines about Lindsay, baby murderer, and all
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  Speaker 1: these horrible things.
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  Speaker 2: And he just felt that they were wrong.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: The interviewer asked him if he asked Lindsay why she
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  Speaker 1: did it, which is like a ridiculous question. And Pat
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  Speaker 1: Clancy said he asked her if she remembered doing it.
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  Speaker 1: And then she said it was like a dream. And
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  Speaker 1: I feel like these are things that none of us
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  Speaker 1: understand how we would respond if they were happening. And
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  Speaker 1: then you're put under a microscope and everything. This is
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  Speaker 1: why Amanda Knox, I loved her statement about this. She
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  Speaker 1: really meticulously went through this and said how once the
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  Speaker 1: court of public opinion decides that particularly with the internet now,
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  Speaker 1: it's like, you can't, you can't get a leg up,
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  Speaker 1: but you're climbing yourself out of a.
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  Speaker 3: But you're already guilty. Right. You're guilty. And I think
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  Speaker 3: that I don't, I really don't understand it. I know
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  Speaker 3: people were, people were piecing together in my mind, evidence
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  Speaker 3: that wasn't even really there.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: That's how they would, they sort of came to that conclusion. But,
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  Speaker 3: you know, even when he was talking about holding, what
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  Speaker 3: was the youngest one's name?
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  Speaker 1: Callum. Calum, right?
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  Speaker 3: Holding him in his last few days, how grateful he
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  Speaker 3: was for that time. And he, it's just, he seems
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  Speaker 3: to me, I mean, I don't know. I do actually
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  Speaker 3: find him sympathetic. I've heard that too. I find him
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  Speaker 3: just from his personality alone. He seems honest to me.
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  Speaker 3: He seems so sad to me when he talked about,
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  Speaker 3: you know, telling his new children about their brothers and sister.
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  Speaker 3: This is... Everything about this story is unthinkable, horrific, tragic,
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  Speaker 3: and it almost is so infuriating because it feels like
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  Speaker 3: the pile on just makes it worse.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: You think it can't get any worse, right? His wife
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  Speaker 3: strangled his three kids. How can it get worse than that, right?
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  Speaker 3: And yet he's being accused of something he didn't do.
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  Speaker 3: The whole thing is nauseating, upsetting.
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  Speaker 1: I agree. Nauseating is a great word.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. And people, you know, said that they thought that
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  Speaker 3: the interview, the interviewer was light, you know, lightweight. It felt,
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  Speaker 3: I don't know. What more do you want?
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  Speaker 2: What more do you want?
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  Speaker 1: Exactly. In my opinion, this is one of the major
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  Speaker 1: problems with our entire society right now. We have lost
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  Speaker 1: the plot. We have lost the sense that these are
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  Speaker 1: all human beings who have been through horrible things. And
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  Speaker 1: to sit, someone who made a, A Bratz doll video reenactment?
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  Speaker 2: What is wrong with these people?
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  Speaker 3: I didn't see that. Are you serious?
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: You don't have to share everything with me, Lisa. You
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  Speaker 3: can keep saying it.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't watch it. I didn't watch it. I read
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  Speaker 1: about it. And I just thought we have completely lost
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  Speaker 1: all sense of humanness and kindness and love.
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  Speaker 2: What is going on?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. You know, and by the way, you guys, listeners,
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  Speaker 3: I know, and at least I know you know, that
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  Speaker 3: some of you will disagree with us.
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  Speaker 1: I know. I know.
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  Speaker 3: I still think he did it. It's not that I don't,
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  Speaker 3: I respect that. You know, maybe you're seeing things that
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  Speaker 3: I don't, but I know that Lisa and I are
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  Speaker 3: watching you from a place of complete confidence that this
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  Speaker 3: man had nothing to do with killing his children. Thank you.
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  Speaker 1: It's a ludicrous idea.
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  Speaker 3: That's how we feel.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's pretty clear how I feel.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, me too. But no lack of respect for, you know,
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  Speaker 3: if there are people out there that do believe that
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  Speaker 3: he had something to do with it, I don't see it.
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  Speaker 3: And then there's that whole line of thought that he
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  Speaker 3: just didn't do enough, right? Forget about the fact whether
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  Speaker 3: he did it or he didn't do it. He didn't
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  Speaker 3: do enough. And I don't know. I don't really see
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  Speaker 3: that either. I know.
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  Speaker 1: Again, I think these commentaries are coming from people that
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  Speaker 1: have never met this man. And I guarantee you, anyone,
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  Speaker 1: I happen to know two people that do know this man.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, really?
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: And all they can say is a broken man who
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  Speaker 1: is doing his best to honor, to survive, to move on,
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  Speaker 1: to honor those children, to... to continue to, he talked
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  Speaker 1: about feeling suicidal. Like, so, you know, I think what
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  Speaker 1: people were looking for is some sort of, you know,
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  Speaker 1: exploitative interview.
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  Speaker 3: They were watching it. Like let's decide let's now, right.
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  Speaker 1: It's just gross. I, I'm, I'm so, I just feel
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  Speaker 1: for him. I want to say it again.
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  Speaker 3: And again, the exact same way. I'm sorry, you guys,
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  Speaker 3: this is not going to be one of those heated debates,
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  Speaker 3: but that it's not. Yeah. It's, I don't know, my
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  Speaker 3: heart aches for all of them. He didn't know anything
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  Speaker 3: about postpartum. He said that. And we talked about this,
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  Speaker 3: but I didn't have postpartum. And of course, I know
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  Speaker 3: what it is. I didn't know the difference between depression
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  Speaker 3: and psychosis.
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  Speaker 1: Neither did I, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And neither, and this man didn't either. So You know,
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  Speaker 3: to me, it seems like he described when she hadn't
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  Speaker 3: gotten any sleep at all one night. And, you know,
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  Speaker 3: he said, that's just horrible. Just go relax. I'll take
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  Speaker 3: the kids. He wasn't a douchebag husband. Right.
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  Speaker 1: And he's also not a psychotherapist or a doctor. He's
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  Speaker 1: not trained to see those things. He was doing the
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  Speaker 1: best he could with the information that he had.
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  Speaker 2: It's really tragic.
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  Speaker 1: So getting back to the where the case stands right now.
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  Speaker 1: So everybody knows there is this, the one juror that
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  Speaker 1: was the holdout and, you know, there's a lot, I'm so, again, Mike,
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  Speaker 1: does this guy have to defend himself too? But now
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  Speaker 1: all of these things are coming out that he was,
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  Speaker 1: he had been arrested for, spousal abuse of some kind.
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  Speaker 1: Now everybody's going to jump all over me. That's not
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  Speaker 1: the right terminology. What was he, it was for something awful.
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  Speaker 1: How's that?
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: For physically hurting his wife. And then the nephew also,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I'm so worried people get are really, you know,
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  Speaker 1: in the weeds with the, the specifics. So I don't
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  Speaker 1: want to say the wrong thing, but Right. There has
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  Speaker 1: been a lot that has come up.
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  Speaker 3: He wasn't going to, he really, maybe he wasn't eligible
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  Speaker 3: and that.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 3: That's a separate issue. Right. I don't, I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: We don't know yet if that's true or not true,
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  Speaker 3: but the fact that he's been, he has no anonymity anymore,
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  Speaker 3: even though maybe his name wasn't said, he was outed
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  Speaker 3: for all intents and purposes. So what is that saying?
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  Speaker 3: I don't, you know, forget about him. I don't agree
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  Speaker 3: with him, but now I, We can't do our civic
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  Speaker 3: duty and sit on a jury and make these kinds
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  Speaker 3: of decisions without thinking that they're going to affect our lives,
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  Speaker 3: other people's opinions. You can't even be anonymous now on
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  Speaker 3: a jury. I know. What is going on?
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  Speaker 1: And the reality is this is the system that we
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  Speaker 1: have in this country. So when we start mistrusting the system, yes,
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  Speaker 1: it is imperfect and it fails often, but this is
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  Speaker 1: what we have. So unless he lied on his forms,
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  Speaker 1: which is entirely possible, I suppose, you know, we don't
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  Speaker 1: know the specifics there, but he was put on the
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  Speaker 1: jury and he is allowed to have his opinion.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, that's part of it. That is part
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  Speaker 3: of the system, whether it's flawed or not. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: the judge, I guess, has now sealed the juror's identities indefinitely, right?
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  Speaker 3: Because of security concerns. I mean, I feel nervous to
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  Speaker 3: be him and I feel nervous to be the other
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  Speaker 3: jurors as well. This case is so, there's so much
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  Speaker 3: passion and anger and division, right? It's just so more
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  Speaker 3: division in our country as if that was possible.
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  Speaker 1: As if that was possible. And it's become political. And
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  Speaker 1: now I was just reading that Representative Nancy Mace has
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  Speaker 1: called for Lindsay to be publicly executed.
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  Speaker 2: What is going on? This is just outrageous.
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  Speaker 3: Outrageous and depressing.
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  Speaker 2: And depressing.
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  Speaker 3: So now it's a mistrial. What do you think should
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  Speaker 3: happen now?
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  Speaker 1: So I do, once again, the superhero superstar, Kevin Reddington.
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  Speaker 1: Lindsay Clancy's attorney, has asked for her to not be
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  Speaker 1: put through another trial. And he, I believe, has requested
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  Speaker 1: that she is found not guilty by the insanity, temporary
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  Speaker 1: insanity plea, whatever it is. Again, don't get up in
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  Speaker 1: my grill with the specifics. I'm not a lawyer, but
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  Speaker 1: we all know what that is.
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  Speaker 3: Don't get up in my grill.
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  Speaker 1: Don't get up in my grill. So because he's saying
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  Speaker 1: that the prosecution did not have enough evidence to prove
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  Speaker 1: beyond a reasonable doubt, which is what the law says
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  Speaker 1: they have to do. So I guess when they reconvene
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  Speaker 1: on the 29th, which is supposed to be the day
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  Speaker 1: where they will decide the date of the new trial,
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  Speaker 1: I think they will also address whether they will have
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  Speaker 1: a trial at all.
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  Speaker 3: Do you hear that there is another mother who was
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  Speaker 3: accused of killing her child and was reportedly obsessively following
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  Speaker 3: Lindsay's trial? And I guess just hours beforehand tried to
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  Speaker 3: claim psychosis. I guess she was going on trial and
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  Speaker 3: is now trying to claim psychosis. psychosis. And the question is,
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  Speaker 3: is that connection meaningful? Is that what's going to happen now?
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  Speaker 3: Is this opening up the door for more women? And
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  Speaker 3: I don't know, maybe more women should claim psychosis. Maybe
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  Speaker 3: this is what's going on with women that actually kill
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  Speaker 3: their children during that postpartum period of time.
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  Speaker 1: I do think there is the positive that, which like,
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  Speaker 1: that scares me what you just said, but Not that
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  Speaker 1: maybe that is what's going on, but that someone could
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  Speaker 1: perhaps exploit this for their own benefit. But there is,
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  Speaker 1: I think, a positive, which is the case is already
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  Speaker 1: influencing the conversation outside of the courtroom about postpartum care development.
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  Speaker 1: And they have.
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  Speaker 1: On September 15th, Massachusetts Governor Maura Healey announced a proposal
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  Speaker 1: to expand postpartum support in the state in the wake
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  Speaker 1: of the trial. So I think that is something that
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  Speaker 1: is vital and is a small positive, perhaps bigger, I
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  Speaker 1: don't know. But at least it's something that can benefit
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  Speaker 1: women in these experiences, like sending nurses to the home.
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  Speaker 1: So that the husband doesn't have to try to diagnose
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  Speaker 1: what's going on. I just think more support is not
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  Speaker 1: a bad thing. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Additional funding for maternal mental health programs.
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  Speaker 1: All of that.
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  Speaker 3: It's good stuff. All of that is. Lemonades in this huge,
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  Speaker 3: ridiculous bucket of lemons, you know? And I don't know
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  Speaker 3: how this is even how this gets. how does this
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  Speaker 3: settle down? Right. So like, eventually we're going to know
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  Speaker 3: what happens to Lindsay. We're going to find out either
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  Speaker 3: that she's, you know, goes away from Santa. She's retried.
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  Speaker 3: It's going to, and like everything else, again, it feels
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  Speaker 3: like in this country, half the country will be unhappy
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  Speaker 3: about it. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: No matter what it is.
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  Speaker 1: For sure. I did think it was interesting that the,
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  Speaker 1: the jury initially, you know, when we say a hung jury,
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  Speaker 1: I think, or I certainly think, always somewhat imagine it's
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  Speaker 1: like 50-50, right? And that's not the case. It started
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  Speaker 1: as eight, two, and two. So eight people thought she
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  Speaker 1: was not guilty by reason of mental incapacity. Two thought
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  Speaker 1: she was guilty, and two were undecided. But then by
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  Speaker 1: the end, it did go to 11 to one, which
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  Speaker 1: means that it seems like everyone was willing to listen
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  Speaker 1: to others' opinions opinions and gather the facts. And just
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  Speaker 1: the one juror is the one that would not.
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  Speaker 3: No judge had actually removed that juror. Did I read that,
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  Speaker 3: that it was possible for the judge to remove?
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  Speaker 2: They were asking him to, and he wouldn't.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, how do you, I guess he's, you know,
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  Speaker 3: his opinion has to matter. That's how this works. Yes.
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  Speaker 1: That's how this works.
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  Speaker 3: Tried by judges. your peers and, and they go through
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  Speaker 3: a process and hopefully they are fair minded, not biased.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know, but I don't know. At least this
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  Speaker 3: whole thing is just, just sucks.
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  Speaker 2: And it's so upsetting.
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  Speaker 3: Really, really is just awful.
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  Speaker 1: Um, I also think it's of note that the one juror,
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  Speaker 1: at least in particular, um, she said, you know, the
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  Speaker 1: most influential, some of the most influential testimony for her
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  Speaker 1: was given by Patrick Clancy. And I think.
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  Speaker 3: And the mother-in-law.
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  Speaker 1: And the mother-in-law, right.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 1: And, you know, if those two people, two of, you know,
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  Speaker 1: arguably the most influenced by this, aside from Lindsay, is
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  Speaker 1: if they are feeling like this woman was just not
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  Speaker 1: okay and should not be held criminally responsible. Like who,
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  Speaker 1: what are we even doing here?
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  Speaker 3: I don't know. And I told you, this is not
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  Speaker 3: me coming into this. Like, you know, she should be,
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  Speaker 3: she was insane. She was, she had, I get it.
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  Speaker 3: I really, really do. And I feel more than one
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  Speaker 3: way about it. I'm going through psychosis and she didn't
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: know right from wrong, but I'm not here to say
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: she should, you know, go to get her, get mental
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: help and be released. Well, I don't know how I
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: feel about that. And again, for me, I can't get
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: rid of the picture in my head of those three
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: children and what she did. And I get that she
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: was in the middle of psychosis. But again, that opens
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: this other can of worms, right? A lot. Mental health
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: has a lot to do with criminality and what people
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: are capable of and what they've been through and what,
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: you know, that brings to, to the violence. And I
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: don't know, it's all very sticky.
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: It's very sticky. Yeah.
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: I think maybe that is probably a lot of, of the,
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: the kind of fear or concern and in finding her
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: not guilty and putting her in a mental facility. And
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: then someone saying in three years, well, she's fine now.
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: And then, you know, letting her go. Like I do,
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: I do understand the concern of that.
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: We discussed that case.
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: Sorry that I'm not going to remember.
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So the woman that was convicted and then was
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: released and did it again.
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: If I'm Lindsay Clancy, I don't know what I would
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: do if I was Lindsay Clancy, but I would want
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: to be taken care of with 24-7 mental health care
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: for the rest of my life. I don't know how
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: you heal from this.
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: I don't either.
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: There even is such a thing. Yeah, I don't know.
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: There's no, like we've said, there's just no happy ending
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: here for anyone really.
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: I don't know how much longer we're going to keep
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: discussing it. Maybe things will change now. There are other awful,
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: horrible things happening in this country. I don't know if
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: this is the time or place, but obviously you heard
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: about Presley Gerber.
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: I did, yeah. You know, I don't know if this
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: is the time or place either, but I do feel
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: like what I was most struck by, look, addiction is
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: a beast that very few of us can come out
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: the other side of.
• 22:05
  Speaker 4: But that aside, I was so struck by, I read
• 22:10
  Speaker 4: that he had posted things about the various medications and
• 22:16
  Speaker 4: things he was taking.
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: And I feel like, again, what's going on here? Like,
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: shouldn't that, that like, why, why wasn't, why is that allowed?
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: First of all, why isn't that when things are getting
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: shut down? Because, uh, I mean, I'm, I could go
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: down a real rabbit hole with this, but I have
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: friends who have had posts, you know, um, uh, taken
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: down by various social media entities because it's showing like
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: an overweight person in a bathing suit. you know, or
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: something where you're like, okay, so that's not okay for
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: us to look at, but a person who is quite literally,
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: it makes me think of Aaron Carter, like their demise.
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: We are watching it. Perez Hilton, like all of these things.
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: Why are we allowed to see this? Like, why are
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: people allowed to post these things? Like what is going on?
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: And, and, Also, nothing is just sad anymore. Everything, I
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: don't know what's going to happen with this. I just,
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: my heart, and I know yours too, and our prayers.
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: Go out to those parents and his sister.
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: I just like, because I know that everybody's going to say, well,
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: how does someone, because he passed in rehab, how does.
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: That, right?
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: I'm not going to add to the speculation just happened.
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: But anyway, my guess is it's going to get, it's
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: going to blow up in its own way. Yeah. Do now.
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: It's just, it's heartbreaking.
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: It, it, it really is. And I think another part
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: of that is for all of us to understand that,
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: you know, I think we put celebrity on this pedestal
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: and also then assume that when you have all the
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: resources in the world, your life is perfect. And like,
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: that is simply not the reality.
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: Nobody gets away. It's just got to go on the journey.
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: I think, I don't know. That's just part of it. Wow.
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: We are really like, we've lost the plot a little bit.
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: We have, sorry.
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: Okay. Let's get back on.
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: But I will say that. So the case is back
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: in court, September 29th, you guys. So I guess that's
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: the date that they're going to address, whether there's going
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: to be a new trial and asked the judge to
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: consider the his motion for finding of not guilty as
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: well at that point. So I can't imagine what's going
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: to happen between now and the 29th. Today is the 21st. Yeah.
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: What do you think? Do you, do you think there
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: should be another trial or do you hope there will be,
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: or what do you don't?
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: I don't think there should be. And I hope that
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: there won't be. And I hope that she is, I
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: hope she, she's found insane. And, but I hope that
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: she's also, I think what I hope is that, you know,
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: she's just taking care of away for the rest of
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: her life. I don't know that I would be back
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: on the streets in three years. So that's, but again,
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: I have different ways of feeling about the whole thing.
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: Like everyone else does, you know, I want justice for
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: those children. Yeah. And I don't think she was in
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: her right mind.
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: So what do you want in the end?
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: I know I feel pretty much the same as you do. I,
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: you know, I don't see how another trial can benefit
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: anyone and find justice. That's the point, right? What is justice?
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: But I don't, I just don't, I don't, I don't
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: think it's will be useful.
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: So listen, I'm, Very glad we hopped on after 60 minutes.
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: Me too. I'm reading a lot about what people have
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: been saying about it.
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: What's that?
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: It just happened. But have you been reading yet what
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: people have been saying about it?
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: About the interview?
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: About 60 minutes? No, but I'm guessing it's that people
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: are bummed out that it wasn't some sort of a fireworks,
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: you know, burn the house down interview. Right.
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: You know, to me, again, it just felt like.
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: It was... so sad to me because I just saw
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: a person who was forced to do this. Like this
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: is the right thing for me to do so that
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: people will leave me alone. I mean, it's like, it's, I,
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: it's just, I mean, talk about adding insult to injury.
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: He is probably so self-conscious just when he goes out
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: to dinner.
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: Sure.
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: One thing when the case was in Massachusetts and I mean,
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: people knew about it obviously, but it wasn't like this.
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: And now he can't, I can't imagine he can really
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: hide even in New York City. Anyway, I'm really, really
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: happy that we're on the same page about it.
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: I know.
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: Look at that.
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: We are. Sorry for you guys.
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: Well, yeah. It's like we just, I don't, it's the
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: human suffering is just, it's enormous. And I just hate
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: to see, you know, I don't know what the solution
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: is here.
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: I don't. All right. Well, listen, if there is a
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: new trial, you guys know that you're killer thriller girls. Gosh,
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: we'll be back right here to cover it. Not that
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: we're wishing for that, but, um, but we will hear you. Yeah.
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: We'll talk about it. So guys, thank you so much
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: for joining us today.