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Vampire Tweens? Florida girls plan to murder students and drink their blood! · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Do you know another parent or expecting parent. Are you
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Speaker 1: wondering what can I give them as a gift. Don't
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Speaker 1: give them another onesie, don't give them a plastic toy
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Speaker 1: Police in schoogl County are searching fourteen missing since September.
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Speaker 1: Fifteen year old Annie noel Angst was last seen at
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Speaker 1: her home in Pine Grove Township. Anyone with information on
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Speaker 1: her whereabouts is asked to contact police. I Nancy Grace,
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Speaker 1: this is crime Stories, Please help us find a missing
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Speaker 1: girl Annie noel Angst. Joining me right now is Larry Mayheer,
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Speaker 1: Crime online dot com investigative reporter. We're talking about Annie
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Speaker 1: noel Angst lasting at her residents there on the three
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Speaker 1: block of Birds Hill Road in Pine Grove Township, Pennsylvania,
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Speaker 1: at seven fifteen a m. How does the kid go
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Speaker 1: missing at seven fifteen a m. In the morning. She's
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Speaker 1: absolutely gorgeous, absolutely gorgeous, long brown hair, big brown eyes,
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Speaker 1: and in every picture she's smiling. Where is any Nicole,
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Speaker 1: Larry Mayheer tell me what we know. What we know
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Speaker 1: is her family notified police on a Monday morning that
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Speaker 1: they had flash seen her at their home at seven
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Speaker 1: fifteen a m. That Monday morning. They called police less
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Speaker 1: than thirty minutes after that to report her missing. Now,
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Speaker 1: This is all taking place in Schokola County, which is
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Speaker 1: west of Allentown, Pennsylvania, which is northwest of the Philadelphia
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Speaker 1: metropolitan area, so it's in a fairly rural part of Pennsylvania.
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Speaker 1: But I didn't understand is that I haven't heard a
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Speaker 1: word about it too, as she will cut, I just
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Speaker 1: happened to find out about this case while I was researching,
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Speaker 1: as she will cut joining me Atlanta juvenile judge, lawyer
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Speaker 1: and founder of child crime watch dot com. I haven't
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Speaker 1: heard a word about any Noel missing until I happened
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Speaker 1: to find it and do it right now on our program.
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Speaker 1: I know there's not a lot of information. There wasn't
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Speaker 1: a lot of press so to speak, on this particular case.
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Speaker 1: And I hate to say it, Nancy, but boy, at
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Speaker 1: that age, I always go to the the horrible prospect
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Speaker 1: of sex trafficking. That she meets somebody online, that she
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Speaker 1: meets somebody on social media that she thought was safe,
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Speaker 1: that she thought was appropriate, that wasn't. So I'm sure
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Speaker 1: and hope that law enforcements exploring all avenues, but with
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Speaker 1: to get the word out nationwide to look for this
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Speaker 1: young lady. You can see any Noel's photo and everything
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Speaker 1: about her at crime online dot Com. She's last seen
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Speaker 1: near her home there at Birds Hill Road in Pine
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Speaker 1: Grove Township, Pennsylvania, and this was at seven fifteen a m.
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Speaker 1: She's a gorgeous little girl, has just turned fifteen. She
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Speaker 1: is beautiful with hair brown and wavy, big brown eyes.
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Speaker 1: Nobody can tell me what she was wearing when she
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Speaker 1: was last seen or what she was doing when she
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Speaker 1: was last seen. That concerns me. We don't know what
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Speaker 1: motive transportation took her away. We know she has no
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Speaker 1: history of running away, no history at all of running away.
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Speaker 1: The critical time and her search has come and gone.
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Speaker 1: We all know, Karen Stark, that typically a stranger to
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Speaker 1: stranger a child is killed within the first two hours
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Speaker 1: of abduction, certainly within the first thirty six to seventy
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Speaker 1: two hours. Okay, we know that. So as each minute passes,
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Speaker 1: it gets more and more bleak. The outcome, the likelihood
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Speaker 1: that she will be discovered alive, gets less, gets slimmer
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Speaker 1: and slimmer. Karen, why is that? Why did child kidnap
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Speaker 1: victims only survive such a short time and stranger to
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Speaker 1: stranger kidnaps because as soon as the person abducts them, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: and has their way with them, rapes them, you know,
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Speaker 1: sexually uses them. Then they kill them because they don't
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Speaker 1: want to be identified. They have no use for them anymore,
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Speaker 1: and they know that there's a chance that they could
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Speaker 1: absolutely describe them to someone, and that's what happens. We're
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Speaker 1: talking about a beautiful young girl, wavy brown, dark brown hair,
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Speaker 1: big brown eyes, a beautiful smile. Her name is Annie Noel.
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Speaker 1: She's only five three and she only weighs a hundred pounds.
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Speaker 1: She's very thin, and a lot of her photos I'm
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Speaker 1: looking at she's pictured in a little Jane jacket, which
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Speaker 1: is Ashley Will caught the big the big thing. You
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Speaker 1: gotta have a Jane jacket, right, And she's pictured and
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Speaker 1: many of her photos in a little Jeane jacket. What
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Speaker 1: do you think about this, Ashley? You know, it reminds
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Speaker 1: us Nancy of her age, even though she's fifteen and
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Speaker 1: she's gorgeous, she's a child. She easily could be a victim.
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Speaker 1: She could be on the street, she could have been abducted.
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Speaker 1: We don't know what's happened to her, but you see
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Speaker 1: that little Jeane jacket, and that's what my eleven year
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Speaker 1: old wants right now, right, and so that's here. She is,
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Speaker 1: this little girl, really, even though she looks like a
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Speaker 1: beautiful young lady, she's a little girl that someone knows
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Speaker 1: something and needs to speak up. I'm getting a little
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Speaker 1: more information any Noel angst from birds Hill Road, Pine
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Speaker 1: Grove Township, Last Saint seven fifteen a m on a
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Speaker 1: Monday morning inside her home by a relative. Don't know
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Speaker 1: if it was mom or dad or someone else living
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Speaker 1: in the home. Like in our home, my mother lives
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Speaker 1: with us. So to Larry Mayheer are joining US Crime
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Speaker 1: online dot Com investigative reporter, what more can you tell
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Speaker 1: me about the disappearance? And I also don't understand why
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Speaker 1: this has not been taken nationwide and its searched to
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Speaker 1: help find her. That is an interesting question. The Pennsylvania
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Speaker 1: State Police who are handling this case just renewed their
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Speaker 1: call for help from the public within the last couple
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Speaker 1: of days because they were renewing their effort to find
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Speaker 1: leads to get to her. Um, we can only speculate
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Speaker 1: why they haven't said more. I don't know why they
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Speaker 1: haven't said more. Um And as far as the circumstances
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Speaker 1: under which she disappeared, they're pretty cloudy at this point.
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Speaker 1: As you stated, she was last seen by a member
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Speaker 1: of her own family in their home, and then she
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Speaker 1: disappeared from the home and it was reported less than
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Speaker 1: thirty minutes later that she was missing. That's extremely odd,
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Speaker 1: right there, Um the tip line five seven zero seven
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Speaker 1: Fred repeat five seven zero seven, five hundred, Alan Deep
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Speaker 1: joining me from l A. Allen. Do I have to
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Speaker 1: state the obvious or is it not being covered nationwide
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Speaker 1: because she's Hispanic? I don't know. I hope that's a
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Speaker 1: blue eyed blonde like John Benett. I mean, I don't
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Speaker 1: understand why this little girl is less important than other
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Speaker 1: children that go missing. I don't understand that, but I
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Speaker 1: know this, This child must be brought home. We've got
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Speaker 1: to find this child. Alan, Have you looked at her picture? Yes?
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Speaker 1: I have. She's very beautiful and there are some postings
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Speaker 1: on Facebook about her. There's a some of the missing
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Speaker 1: children search sights are are publicizing this, but it's surprising
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Speaker 1: to me how little there is. And that's why I
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Speaker 1: think it's really important that we get the word out there.
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Speaker 1: Guys were talking about Annie Nicole Angst missing. She's now
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Speaker 1: missing for weeks. Five ft three inches tall, just a
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Speaker 1: hundred pounds, wavy brown hair, big beautiful brown eyes. Won't
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Speaker 1: you help us the tip line five seven zero seven
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Speaker 1: five Fred. Please go to crime online dot com. Look
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Speaker 1: at Annie's picture. Have you seen Annie? Nicole? Do you
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Speaker 1: know another parent or expecting parent? Are you wondering? What
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Speaker 1: can I give them as a gift. Don't give them
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Speaker 1: another onesie. Don't give them a plastic toy or god forbid,
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Speaker 1: a toy gun that's just gonna end up in the garage.
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Speaker 1: Give them something that matters, and what matters the most
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Speaker 1: is protecting their child. What do you love most in
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Speaker 1: the world? Your children? What will you do to protect
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Speaker 1: them anything? I sat down with these smartest people I
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Speaker 1: know in the world on matters of child's safety, finding
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Speaker 1: missing children, fighting back against predators, and what I learned
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Speaker 1: is so important, powerful and information so critical. I want
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Speaker 1: you to have it. I want them to have it.
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Speaker 1: Go to crime stops here dot com for a five
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Speaker 1: part series with action information that you can use to
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Speaker 1: change your life and protect your child. Payments starting six.
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Speaker 1: Give that as a gift, not another one esie. Find
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Speaker 1: out how to protect your child when you're out of
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Speaker 1: the mall or the store or the grocery, in the
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Speaker 1: part working lot at home. Find out about protection regarding
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Speaker 1: babysitters in daycare even online. I'd rather have that any
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Speaker 1: day of the week than a plastic toy. Our God
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Speaker 1: forbid a toy gun. Join Justice Nation, go to crime
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Speaker 1: stops here dot com. Crime stories with Nancy Grace. Pizza cutter, scissors,
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Speaker 1: These are some of the weapons in eleven and twelve
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Speaker 1: year old brought to Bartow Middle School on Tuesday to
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Speaker 1: allegedly kill classmates. They wanted to kill at least fifteen people,
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Speaker 1: and we're waiting in the bathroom for the opportunity to
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Speaker 1: find smaller kids that they could overpower to be their victims.
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Speaker 1: Extra officers were already on campus after another student reported
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Speaker 1: concerns on Monday, but police tell us the plot was
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Speaker 1: foiled only after the girl's mother called in when a
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Speaker 1: robot call said she skipped school. This is terrific and
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Speaker 1: if my head children in school, I'd be scared slapped dead.
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Speaker 1: Officers found them in the bathroom with a goblet on
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Speaker 1: hand to reportedly drink their victims blood. I mean, how
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Speaker 1: can these have been you know, we are afraid, and
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Speaker 1: she's afraid. I kind of feel like maybe it might
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Speaker 1: be a good idea just for some of these schools
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Speaker 1: to maybe even put in metal detectors. Messages appear to
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Speaker 1: show the girls plan the murders and even to kill
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Speaker 1: themselves when it was done. I'm going to call them
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Speaker 1: small children. They're only eleven and twelve. Um seriously set
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Speaker 1: down implotted um to do serious polly harm to another
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Speaker 1: student at school. I can hardly take it in. Two
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Speaker 1: little girls ages eleven and twelve bring knives in a
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Speaker 1: pizza cutter to school, planning to kill at least fifteen
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Speaker 1: classmates and then drink their blood. What this isn't made up?
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Speaker 1: It's real. I mean, I see grace, this described stories.
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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us. It's it's almost more
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Speaker 1: than I can take in. The girls attended bar Toow
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Speaker 1: Middle School in bar Toow, Florida. It's not a high
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Speaker 1: crime area at all. Bartow Police Department announced arrests of
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Speaker 1: these two girls. Now what do you do with them?
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Speaker 1: Trying as adults as juveniles? But before I can even
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Speaker 1: get to that, I've got to hear the facts. Two
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Speaker 1: girls eleven and twelve bring knives and pizza cutters to
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Speaker 1: school with a plan to kill at least fifteen classmates
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Speaker 1: and in drink their blood. And oh yes, they brought
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Speaker 1: along a goblet, a ritualistic goblet to pour the blood
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Speaker 1: into in order to drink it. Okay, before I could
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Speaker 1: even analyze this, let me get all the facts straight
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Speaker 1: out to syndicated talk show host Dave mac What the
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Speaker 1: hey is going on at Bartow Middle School? Nancy and
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Speaker 1: eleven and twelve year old girls did a sleepover over
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Speaker 1: a weekend where they did a marathon movie session of
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Speaker 1: watching scary movies, horror flecks, slash your flakes, whatever you
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Speaker 1: want to call it. And during the course of this
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Speaker 1: weekend they concocted a game plan. Now they both claim
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Speaker 1: that they are worshippers of Satan and okay, wait, wait,
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Speaker 1: wait right, just right there, two little girls claim they're
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Speaker 1: worshipers off Satan. Hold wait, just stop right there. I'm
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Speaker 1: drinking for the fire hydright here. It's too much at once.
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Speaker 1: I can't take it all in. Ashley Wilcott is with me,
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Speaker 1: longtime friend and Atlanta juvenile judge, lawyer, founder child crime
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Speaker 1: watch dot Com. Ashley hold On just a moment. Devil worshiping? What? Okay, wait,
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Speaker 1: wait wait the other day, Miss Lucy, my little quiet angel,
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Speaker 1: she says, I don't when I go to Sunday's school,
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Speaker 1: And I'm like, you, what, I don't want to Sunday school.
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Speaker 1: I'm like, really, well, I don't want to cook dinner,
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Speaker 1: or lay your clothes out, or wash your clothes either,
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Speaker 1: or clean your guinea pig cage. But I do it. Now,
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Speaker 1: put on those Sunday clothes I've got for you hanging
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Speaker 1: your bathroom, and start marching. Young lady, how does somebody
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Speaker 1: eleven years old decide they're a devil worshiper? I know,
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Speaker 1: isn't this weird? It's the weirdest thing to me? And
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Speaker 1: so here's the thing. You know, it's one thing for
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Speaker 1: kids to watch scary movies, but then to assimilate and
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Speaker 1: put it into devil worshiping. I am flabbergasted. I have
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Speaker 1: no idea how they come up with that at that age.
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Speaker 1: And one thing is, perhaps, mayhap some eleven year old
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Speaker 1: should not be watching those scary, scary movies. Do you
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Speaker 1: let your two kids watch those? I'm guessing not totally. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: we watch them, But let me define wait a minute,
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Speaker 1: Wait a minute before I tell you what we watch.
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Speaker 1: We watch, of course, Murdoch Mysteries out of Canada. I
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Speaker 1: watch it with them. If there's anything that I believe
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Speaker 1: is going to be violent, which there really isn't. It's
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Speaker 1: kind of glossed over like murder. She wrote, you know
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Speaker 1: where there's a murder, but you don't ever see a
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Speaker 1: body or any blood. It's kind of like a who
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Speaker 1: done it? Um, of course they watch Hallmark Kelly Dean
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Speaker 1: Murders the Mysteries, right, okay, because I wrote it. But
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Speaker 1: as far as scary, violent anything, no, wait, Ashley, what
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Speaker 1: are we doing talking about child psychology? I've got Karen
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Speaker 1: start with me, New York psychologist Karen. How does it
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Speaker 1: go from watching a scary movie? And yes, I hear
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Speaker 1: all your disdain from letting them watch her air Cule Poirot. Okay,
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Speaker 1: I hear your silent judging. But there's nothing, uh, nothing
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Speaker 1: like American Psycho or slender Man or seriously scary things.
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Speaker 1: Um now I'm all worried because I was going to
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Speaker 1: let them go this weekend to see, um, what is
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Speaker 1: it goose Bumps? The new movie goose Bumps? So is
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Speaker 1: that wrong? Karen Star, is goose bumps wrong? No, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: you can certainly let them go seek goose bumps. If
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Speaker 1: you think about this situation, it's a whole weekend watching
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Speaker 1: slash or horror movies. Where are the parents? And what
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Speaker 1: would you say? Slash er? What do you mean by that?
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Speaker 1: Because I've actually never watched a slasher movie. I will
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Speaker 1: tell you this, Karen. I think I told you this
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Speaker 1: a way back at court TV days when I was little,
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Speaker 1: maybe three or four, someone who left the TV on
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Speaker 1: at night and I walked in there during the shower
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Speaker 1: scene of Psycho Norman Bates. Do you know to this
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Speaker 1: day I prefer a bath over a shower, And the
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Speaker 1: whole time I was growing up, always take a bath
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Speaker 1: because of that happening when I was about four years old.
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Speaker 1: It makes a huge impact on you, Karen. You're not
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Speaker 1: You're not alone. You know how many people were affected
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Speaker 1: by Psycho. It's why the movie is considered a classic.
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Speaker 1: It really got you, and that's what its Lasher movie is.
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Speaker 1: It's a kind of movie where it raises suspense and
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Speaker 1: you see a lot of blood and gore and things
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Speaker 1: that children really shouldn't be exposed to. It's okay to
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Speaker 1: see goose bumps and fairy tales and and stories where
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Speaker 1: there are outcomes that are not wonderful and perfect, But
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Speaker 1: to see horror. That's not anything that in at that age.
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Speaker 1: That's adolescent. It's preteen. They're not capable of really taking
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Speaker 1: in movie, especially a whole weekend full of movies. I
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Speaker 1: think it's very telling that the parents weren't there. They're impressionable.
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Speaker 1: If one of them gets the idea, remember this is preteen,
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Speaker 1: they follow each other. They're impressionable. They also have wonderful imaginations.
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Speaker 1: And whatever happened, I really feel like they became embroyaled
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Speaker 1: in this whole fantasy of horrific killing. They were talking
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Speaker 1: about killing themselves, which tells me that they really don't
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Speaker 1: understand what they're doing. Well, wait a minute, hold on
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Speaker 1: right there, Karen, I agree with you. They may not
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Speaker 1: understand what they're doing in the full implications. But we
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Speaker 1: saw in the Slenderman case of Vincent Hill, where two
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Speaker 1: girls were enamored with the fake character Slenderman. They thought
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Speaker 1: they had to kill someone in order to go live
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Speaker 1: with him and his mansion in the woods, whatever, and
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Speaker 1: they actually attacked a little girl and stabbed her multiple
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Speaker 1: times trying to go live with slender Man. So Vincent Hill,
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Speaker 1: they may not really understand fully the consequences of their acts,
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Speaker 1: but the kid can still end up dead, all right.
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Speaker 1: I mean, whether you fully understand it or not. And
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Speaker 1: one thing, Vincent is you and I have seen it.
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Speaker 1: You as a cop turned p I now author of
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Speaker 1: Playbook to a Murder and the creator of podcast Fall
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Speaker 1: of a Titan. Vincent Um, you and I have seen
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Speaker 1: children the grow up in crime families where the parents
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Speaker 1: go in and out of jail and they sell dope
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Speaker 1: in the home, they have guns. Those children grow up
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Speaker 1: thinking that is normal, and they do it, and they
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Speaker 1: think jail is just part of life. They don't think
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Speaker 1: anything about it. Same thing here, if you let your
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Speaker 1: children watch slicer movies, well, what do you think is
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Speaker 1: going to happen? Yeah, Nancy, I'd be real curious to
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Speaker 1: find out what's going on in that home. I mean,
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Speaker 1: there are what ten and eleven years old and they're
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Speaker 1: watching these types of movies. My son is seventeen and
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Speaker 1: I still screen the movies he watches. He knows right
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Speaker 1: from wrong. And you can argue maybe in an eleven
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Speaker 1: year old may or may not know right from wrong,
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Speaker 1: but I really questioned what's going on in that home
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Speaker 1: to even allow such a young child to even watch
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Speaker 1: stuff like this Nan Yesterday it approximately one pm. The
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Speaker 1: bar to the police department. School resource officer Gooseman responded
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Speaker 1: to the Principles opposite Barto the middle School. He was
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Speaker 1: summoned there by the principal, Chris Robertson. The investigation revealed
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Speaker 1: the following On October, a teacher at Bartow High School
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Speaker 1: received information that Caitlin Persenger, eleven years of age, told
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Speaker 1: another student not to come to Building five hundred at
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Speaker 1: the middle school. Something bab is gonna happen. In one message,
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Speaker 1: Western Guard advice per Singer, we will leave body parts
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Speaker 1: at the entrance and then we will kill ourselves end quote.
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Speaker 1: Per Singer and Hard we're both arrested and charged with
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Speaker 1: conspiracy to commit murder, possession of a weapon on school property,
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Speaker 1: carried and concealed weapon, and disruption of the school functions.
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Speaker 1: During our investigation, detectives conducted the search of the juveniles
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Speaker 1: homes and during the search of Western Guard's residents, detectives
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Speaker 1: located in material containing a hand drawn map of Bartoo
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Speaker 1: middles School, which included notation r V notation go to
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Speaker 1: kill in bathroom. A search of the juvenile cell phones
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Speaker 1: revealed conversations regarding the same plot on social media. During
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Speaker 1: the last conversation, which occurred on the same days that
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Speaker 1: we were talking about, Westergard message and I quote today
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Speaker 1: is helped lessons, Thanks Satan, we are doing this in
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Speaker 1: a bit. Quote Okay, you're hearing Bartow Police Chief Joe
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Speaker 1: Hall describing what they had learned the evidence in this case.
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Speaker 1: And eleven and twelve year old little girl. Two little
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Speaker 1: girls bring nice and pizza cutters to school with a
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Speaker 1: plan to kill at least fifteen of their friends before
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Speaker 1: drinking the friends blood and then killing themselves as part
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Speaker 1: of a Satanic ritual. And they write a message stating quote,
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Speaker 1: thanks Satan, we're doing this sent a bit. How do
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Speaker 1: an eleven and twelve year old girl talk about leaving
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Speaker 1: body parts at the front door? Joining me right now.
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Speaker 1: In addition to Vincent Hill, cop turned p I and
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Speaker 1: author as she Willcott, judge lawyer, founder of child crimewatch
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Speaker 1: dot com, Kieren Start, New York psychologist Alan Duke, of course,
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Speaker 1: joining me from l A Dave Matt with me, syndicated
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Speaker 1: talk show host, how did the cops find all this evidence?
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Speaker 1: And if you don't mind, because you just start at
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Speaker 1: the beginning again, I'm trying to write my mind around
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Speaker 1: two little girls trying to murder their classmates at school. Okay,
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Speaker 1: the eleven year old and twelve year old girls spent
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Speaker 1: the weekend together watching slasher horror films. During the course
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Speaker 1: of this weekend, they concocted a game plan. Because again
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Speaker 1: I go back to them claiming to be worshippers of Satan.
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Speaker 1: And as one of the girls got a mom got
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Speaker 1: a robo call because the girl didn't show up for
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Speaker 1: her second period class, calls the school and says, hey,
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Speaker 1: she's at today. That's when they started trying to find her.
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Speaker 1: They went looking around the school and they found the
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Speaker 1: girls in the bathroom with the knives. And by the way,
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Speaker 1: they actually researched the best type of knife to use
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Speaker 1: that would get the most blood out of a body.
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Speaker 1: They had a goblet where they were going to pour
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Speaker 1: the blood into the goblet and then drink it after
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Speaker 1: they killed they were and by the way, while they
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Speaker 1: were in that bathroom, they were looking for smaller children
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Speaker 1: that they could actually man handle so that they could
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Speaker 1: kill them. They were then going to slice them up,
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Speaker 1: cut them up. At one point there was a notation
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Speaker 1: that they wanted to leave body parts at the front
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Speaker 1: of the school. But the girls noted in one of
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Speaker 1: the notes between the two of them that they needed
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Speaker 1: to be evil enough and kill enough kids so that
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Speaker 1: then when they committed suicide, they could spend eternity in
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Speaker 1: hell with Satan. That was their end game to Karen
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Speaker 1: start I on that, But that just tells me, Natcy,
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Speaker 1: that they really did not understand what they we're watching
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Speaker 1: and that it was exciting to them. They had this
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Speaker 1: idea that it would be wonderful to be Inhale with Satan,
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Speaker 1: and that killing the younger students was perfectly all right.
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Speaker 1: And I'm going to say this again because it's very
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Speaker 1: shocking to me. Where were the parents? How could they
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Speaker 1: have been writing on social media watching a weekend full
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Speaker 1: of slasher films and no parent was aware of the
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Speaker 1: fact that this was going on. There are eleven and
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Speaker 1: ten years old. Someone should have known what was happening.
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Speaker 1: You know, I'm listening to all of this as it
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Speaker 1: pours in. What's scary to me? Ashley Willcott, is they
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Speaker 1: who were actually acting on it. They had drawn a
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Speaker 1: school map, they had identified classmates they had planned to kill.
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Speaker 1: They brought a goblet to school in order to drink
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Speaker 1: the blood. At this juncture, Ashley, prosecutors have got to
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Speaker 1: decide whether the girls will be charged formally as juveniles
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Speaker 1: or adults, right, and so if it's one of the
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Speaker 1: crimes that fits the seven Deadly Sins, then they can
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Speaker 1: be charged as an adult. And that can happen even
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Speaker 1: at those young ages. But you know, here's what's really
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Speaker 1: distressing and disturbing. At those ages. Arguably, even though they
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Speaker 1: they're committing a crime, they don't fully as Karen already
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Speaker 1: pointed out, recognize the consequences of that crime. They really
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Speaker 1: don't understand what it means. But in this particular case,
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Speaker 1: what's the expression, Oh, yes, idle hands are the devil's workshop.
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Speaker 1: Because all of our children at those ages ten and
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Speaker 1: eleven are engaged in in good, meaningful activities, whatever it
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Speaker 1: is that interests them. And these two girls obviously have
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Speaker 1: way too much time on their hands. You know, I'm
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Speaker 1: thinking about what you said, the prosecutions in the slender
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Speaker 1: Man case, where the two girls actually uh nearly stabbed
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Speaker 1: their little friend to death, luring her to spend the
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Speaker 1: night party going out into the woods, and then slashing her,
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Speaker 1: stabbing her within a quarter and of her artery and
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Speaker 1: leaving her there to bleed out in order to gain
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Speaker 1: access to their hero, the sci fi character slender Man,
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Speaker 1: and live in his mansion. They were prosecuted and they
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Speaker 1: are doing hard jail time. I've looked at the police
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Speaker 1: photos of the weapons investigators recovered. It's uh a huge
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Speaker 1: cache of weapons. There's a meat cleaver, a pizza cutter, knives,
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Speaker 1: a goblet which they were planning to use to drink
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Speaker 1: the little girl's blood. And they were already in the bathroom.
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Speaker 1: They were staking out a school bathroom, waiting for smaller students,
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Speaker 1: smaller students than them, to come in. Then their plan
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Speaker 1: was to cut their throats, cut up the students bodies,
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Speaker 1: eat their flesh, and drink their blood. The plan was
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Speaker 1: to kill at least a one student, but to kill
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Speaker 1: anywhere from fifteen to twenty five. And I'm reading this
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Speaker 1: from the police affidavit um quote. Killing all the students
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Speaker 1: was in hopes it would make them worse sinners, ensuring
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Speaker 1: that they would go to hell so they could be
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Speaker 1: with Satan. Okay, I don't even know how you start
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Speaker 1: with that care and start. You're the shrink. If you
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Speaker 1: get one of these girls on your couch, where do
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Speaker 1: you start? But the first thing that you need to
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Speaker 1: do is to find out how it happened that it
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Speaker 1: became so exciting to them that their minds wrapped, how
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Speaker 1: they wrapped around this idea of the fantasy of being
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Speaker 1: with Satan and that it would be wonderful and eating flesh.
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Speaker 1: I mean, don't you hear it, Nancy? This is being
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Speaker 1: taken directly from the movies that they were watching, drinking blood,
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Speaker 1: eating flesh and getting them trying to get them to
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Speaker 1: see the difference between reality and fantasy. Seek And at
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Speaker 1: that age, your mind is not developed enough where you
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Speaker 1: can absolutely be certain that you know the difference, which
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Speaker 1: is why I'm saying they really weren't aware of what
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Speaker 1: they were doing. Well, you know, I appreciate that, Karen,
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Speaker 1: and I know that you're right. But in the eyes
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Speaker 1: of the law, Ashley Willcott, there there fascination or their
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Speaker 1: fantasies of a little girl there. You know, storyline may
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Speaker 1: be fictional, but those knives are real. And if they
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Speaker 1: were targeting smaller students than themselves, that means tiny children
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Speaker 1: coming in there, that we're gonna be their victims. And
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Speaker 1: they were poised in the bathroom with the meek clever,
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Speaker 1: with the pizza cutter, with the knives, with the goblets.
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Speaker 1: When they were caught, they were in the bathroom waiting
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Speaker 1: for a smaller child to come in at that moment. Right,
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Speaker 1: So Nancy is a juven on court judge. I see
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Speaker 1: the link on children before me all the time. And
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Speaker 1: here's the reality. They committed a crime. They have to
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Speaker 1: be held accountable. There have to be consequences. Now, keep
29:57
Speaker 1: in mind, juven on court the whole goal, even if
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Speaker 1: they're charged as an adult at those ages, they are
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Speaker 1: to be rehabilitated. Theoretically, right, provide incarceration, but that provides rehabilitation.
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Speaker 1: So that's gonna be the goal. But they do have
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Speaker 1: to be prosecuted for them. This is a crime, and
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Speaker 1: a horrific crime. They have to be prosecuted. Well, they
30:15
Speaker 1: have to be prosecuted. You mentioned earlier, juveniles are treated
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Speaker 1: as adults in court if they commit one of the
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Speaker 1: seven deadlies. I call them the d f A, the debt,
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Speaker 1: the Designated Felony Act. Their seven felonies has to be
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Speaker 1: one of these felonies for a child, a minor that's
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Speaker 1: you know, like sixteen, are under to be bound over
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Speaker 1: or handed over to be prosecuted as an adult. And
30:39
Speaker 1: they're they're pretty obvious. Their murder, they're rape, they're aggravated sodomy,
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Speaker 1: armed robbery. Let me think, um, I think arson is one.
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Speaker 1: There's two more missing? Aggravated assault? Did I already say
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Speaker 1: that one? I'm missing one? What's the seventh? The seven? Deadly?
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Speaker 1: As she willcot, because it's got to be one of
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Speaker 1: these offenses before an adult court will even consider treating
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Speaker 1: a juvenile as an adult. There's seven of them in
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Speaker 1: your jurisdiction, actually, willcot. So to Dave Matt, do we
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Speaker 1: have any information um as to how they're going to
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Speaker 1: be treated? Are they going to be treated as adults? Nancy?
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Speaker 1: At this point, what I saw is that that's still
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Speaker 1: being determined as they're they're being held in a juvenile
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Speaker 1: facility right now, and they're because of their ages at
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Speaker 1: eleven and twelve, they're gonna have to determine what's going
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Speaker 1: to be the best course of action in terms of
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Speaker 1: prosecution that we have students that we're actually plotting and
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Speaker 1: practicing to harm other students on campus. Thank you to
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Speaker 1: all of the principles, the assistant principles there for following
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Speaker 1: through after a parent call when the system called them,
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Speaker 1: let them know that the child was absent. That side
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Speaker 1: of system works and they go out and they look,
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Speaker 1: I'll send our children to school to be harmed. And
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Speaker 1: I will say this to anyone. If you plan on
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Speaker 1: harm in any of our children, we will take it
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Speaker 1: very credible and turn it over to law enforcement. We
32:19
Speaker 1: will protect them, and we will make sure that we
32:23
Speaker 1: cooperate fully with law enforcement to ensure the safety of
32:27
Speaker 1: all of our campuses here in the county. You were
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Speaker 1: hearing sound related to an eleven and twelve year old
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Speaker 1: girl planning to commit mass murder at their middle school
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Speaker 1: in Bartow County. Quote leave body parts of the entrance
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Speaker 1: bar too. Middle school girls planning to kill classmates drink
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Speaker 1: their blood, according to police, and there's a lot of
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Speaker 1: evidence proving this is true. An eleven and twelve year
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Speaker 1: old girl. Apparently the parents let them watch slasher movies, uh,
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Speaker 1: dice and Slice movies all weekend and hats this plot
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Speaker 1: and we're carrying through straight out to Alan Duke joining
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Speaker 1: me in l A. But you see it a different way.
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Speaker 1: What Well, first of all, let me say that my
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Speaker 1: daughter is no Satanic devil worshiper. Let me get that
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Speaker 1: out of the way right now. Well, I can't agree
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Speaker 1: with that, because I've met her and she's absolutely beautiful.
33:18
Speaker 1: Yes she is. She's twenty seven years old, she's the
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Speaker 1: mother of four and a five year old child. Children.
33:23
Speaker 1: And but when she was thirteen, had just turned thirteen,
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Speaker 1: she was the subject of criminal prosecution in Georgia. And
33:31
Speaker 1: it was a case that while it put me on
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Speaker 1: Good Morning America, Inside Edition, etcetera, etcetera, because I got
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Speaker 1: a call from the principal one day that my that
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Speaker 1: I needed immediately get to the school. And I went
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Speaker 1: down to the school and there were cops everywhere, ambulances
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Speaker 1: all over the place, and I said, oh, turns out
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Speaker 1: my daughter was accused of trying to kill about thirteen
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Speaker 1: of her classmates. Now you know the story, Nancy, and
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Speaker 1: you know how it had the ending. But it wasn't
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Speaker 1: with knives, and it wasn't with scissors anything like that.
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Speaker 1: She allegedly tried to poison them with a cake in
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Speaker 1: the lunch room, and they took her off to jail
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Speaker 1: along with the classmate, a neighbor girl, and they charged
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Speaker 1: them as adults. The next day, my daughter was in
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Speaker 1: chains on camera and I'm just trying to imagine my
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Speaker 1: little baby girl or my son in chains. I just
34:30
Speaker 1: you know, I personally covered the Tim McVeigh and Terry
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Speaker 1: Nichols trials Oklahoma City bombers. They had more chains than them,
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Speaker 1: two little, tiny, little thirteen year old girls, and they
34:39
Speaker 1: had that. Even McVeigh wasn't televised. My daughter's hearing was
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Speaker 1: televised and I had to get up and testify. So
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Speaker 1: it was pretty tough. Charged with thirteen counts of terrorism
34:48
Speaker 1: and attempted murder of her classmates, and that was pretty traumatic.
34:52
Speaker 1: But you know what happened, Nancy, Justice took its course.
34:56
Speaker 1: This was in Cobb County in two thousand and four.
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Speaker 1: They test at the cake and guess what they found
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Speaker 1: was in the cake, nothing harmful. It was all a misunderstanding.
35:05
Speaker 1: The teacher had jumped to the conclusion that my daughter
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Speaker 1: there was something wrong with the cake because it was
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Speaker 1: a stupid cake. My daughter is still not a good cook.
35:14
Speaker 1: It was a stupid cake she took sort of as
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Speaker 1: a prank. She calls it a prank, and so she
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Speaker 1: was arrested and charged with very serious crimes as an adult.
35:22
Speaker 1: The point here is that sometimes there was nothing in
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Speaker 1: it at all. It was tested by the by the
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Speaker 1: crime lab GBI crime Lab, and it was stupid. They
35:32
Speaker 1: made it. You know how in school, uh, they teach
35:34
Speaker 1: you how to make play do out of flour. That's
35:37
Speaker 1: what they did. They used that recipe which is edible,
35:40
Speaker 1: and the other odd ingredient was glue school glue, which
35:44
Speaker 1: again is edible. That's why we let kindergarteners have it, right.
35:47
Speaker 1: So it was just a silly cake. They put a
35:50
Speaker 1: lot of different food colors in it, and the police
35:52
Speaker 1: immediately said there were drugs and all kinds of stuff
35:55
Speaker 1: got out in the media about it that wasn't true,
35:58
Speaker 1: and I had to deal with that, and that's I
36:00
Speaker 1: was on Good Morning America a few times and other
36:03
Speaker 1: places countering it. And it turned out a happy ending.
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Speaker 1: They actually took it to trial and they first day
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Speaker 1: of the trial. After the first day, the judge took
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Speaker 1: everybody in and said, we're throwing this out because the
36:16
Speaker 1: GB I testified there was nothing in the cake. Okay,
36:18
Speaker 1: So I'm hearing a completely different point of view to
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Speaker 1: Vincent Hill cop turned p I Vincent um his daughter,
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Speaker 1: Alan's daughter, who I've been with many, many times. She's
36:31
Speaker 1: beautiful on the inside and the outside stunning and lovely
36:36
Speaker 1: and kind and gentle. I don't know, Vincent, I think
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Speaker 1: that's a far even though I'm hearing the other side
36:43
Speaker 1: to it. That's a far cry from taking knives to school. Now,
36:46
Speaker 1: the parents may argue Vincent that this was just a
36:49
Speaker 1: prank they weren't going to follow through. Well, in Alan's
36:53
Speaker 1: daughter's case, there was no no plan, no nothing to
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Speaker 1: fall off though. She just took a cake to school
36:59
Speaker 1: and another kid heard her call it a stupid cake,
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Speaker 1: and it got interpreted that it had poisonous It didn't
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Speaker 1: at all. And it's like that game I was talking
37:07
Speaker 1: to you about earlier, where one you sit in a
37:10
Speaker 1: circle and you say one thing to one and they
37:13
Speaker 1: pass it around and by the end you laugh because
37:15
Speaker 1: it's a completely different thing that was said to start with.
37:18
Speaker 1: That's what that is here. These girls actually bring knives
37:21
Speaker 1: and pizza cutters to school. Yeah, A bunch of different
37:23
Speaker 1: circumstances than a very horribly baked cake. Nancy, you're talking knives,
37:28
Speaker 1: And if you look at what's happened in school in
37:30
Speaker 1: the last couple of years, you can't take any of
37:33
Speaker 1: these threats lightly, no matter how old the child is,
37:36
Speaker 1: no matter what they look like, you can't take any
37:39
Speaker 1: of this lightly to say, oh, well, you know it
37:42
Speaker 1: was just the print that people weren't going to go
37:44
Speaker 1: through with it. You can't make that assumption anymore, not
37:46
Speaker 1: in this day and as Nancy, no, you really can't.
37:49
Speaker 1: So let me go back to you. Dave Max, indicated
37:51
Speaker 1: talk show host joining us. Where does it stand right now? Well,
37:54
Speaker 1: it's right now. They're still in the investigation phase. The girls,
37:57
Speaker 1: both of them are in juvenile to ten while they
38:00
Speaker 1: determine whether or not they're going to charge them as
38:02
Speaker 1: adults or not. And where we're waiting um findings from
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Speaker 1: the prosecutor's office and will know more in the next
38:08
Speaker 1: few days. As we wait, two girls remain in juvenile hall,
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Speaker 1: Will they be treated as adults in face twenty years
38:16
Speaker 1: behind bars? What were their real intentions? And what, if
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Speaker 1: any role did their parents play in this. I'm Nancy
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Speaker 1: Grace signing off good Boy