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Cracking the Code: The Science Behind Long-Term Weight Loss · Create The Best Me

• 0:00
  Carmen Hecox: Welcome to Create the Best Me.
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  Carmen Hecox: I am Carmen Hecox, a personal development coach, and I am so excited to be connecting with you today.
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  Carmen Hecox: Whether you're listening to the podcast or joining us on YouTube, my goal is to help women navigate through midlife challenges with compassion, inspiration, and empowering conversations.
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  Carmen Hecox: Each week we'll dive into thought-provoking topics, designed to build self-confidence, overcome invisible women's syndrome, and find the courage to create the best version of yourself.
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  Carmen Hecox: I'll also be joined by expert guest who will share their wisdom and insights, so make yourself comfortable and let's embark on this journey together.
• 0:44
  Carmen Hecox: Well, hello, there are fearless midlife trailblazers! Welcome to Create The Best Me.
• 0:48
  Carmen Hecox: If you are new here, I'm so glad you made it here; if you're a returning listener, welcome back to the one and only place where we encourage and empower women in midlife to pursue their dreams and live life to the fullest! My name is Carmen Hecox, your host and personal development coach.
• 1:07
  Carmen Hecox: Today's guest is Karen, Church founder and CEO of Wellness Success Coaching with Karen Church.
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  Carmen Hecox: Karen is a holistic wellness success coach who is passionate about helping women 40 design and create the best life by using the principles of naturopathic medicine, ayurveda, yoga philosophy and neuroscience.
• 1:34
  Carmen Hecox: By using this principle, she helps her clients achieve balance, vitality, longevity in all aspects of their lives.
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  Carmen Hecox: Karen specializes in identifying the root cause and treating the whole person, body, mind, and spirit, which is essential in creating natural, long lasting results.
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  Carmen Hecox: Karen has dedicated three decades training and working alongside doctors of all specialties.
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  Carmen Hecox: Her secret power is empowering women to take control of their health and create the life they truly desire.
• 2:12
  Carmen Hecox: Today, Karen is going to provide some insights and tell us about her program, Reboot and Rejuvenate.
• 2:19
  Carmen Hecox: So let's dig into the conversation now.
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  Carmen Hecox: Hello and welcome Karen Church to Create The Best Me.
• 2:25
  Carmen Hecox: I am so glad to have you on the show.
• 2:27
  Karen Church: Thank you, Carmen.
• 2:28
  Karen Church: I am so pleased to be here today.
• 2:31
  Karen Church: Thanks for having me.
• 2:32
  Carmen Hecox: So, for some of the people that do not know who you are, can you start off by telling us a little bit about yourself?
• 2:39
  Karen Church: Sure.
• 2:39
  Karen Church: So I'm a holistic wellness coach, and I work with women 40 and over to design and create their best life.
• 2:47
  Karen Church: Looking at their health, their overall physical health, emotional wellbeing, and their spirit.
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  Karen Church: What's gonna light them up to really create that well-rounded person?
• 3:00
  Carmen Hecox: Perfect.
• 3:01
  Carmen Hecox: And the reason why I asked you to come on the show is because you have a program that helps women in midlife that may struggle with weight loss issues.
• 3:12
  Karen Church: Yes, I do.
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  Karen Church: Uh, you know, a lot of women, as we age, sometimes the things that we have been doing stop working, and a lot of what's out there is that it's your age.
• 3:24
  Karen Church: Well, I'm here to tell you, ladies, that is not true fact.
• 3:29
  Karen Church: I'm in my fifties, and I'm in the best shape of my life, much better than I was in my thirties and even in especially my early forties, mid-forties.
• 3:40
  Karen Church: And going through my journey, I just wanna help more women.
• 3:44
  Karen Church: It doesn't have to be the case.
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  Karen Church: And you can really make significant changes and have that resiliency, that longevity, and that energy and be fit.
• 3:58
  Carmen Hecox: Perfect.
• 3:58
  Carmen Hecox: So, before we get into talking about your program, can you give us a little bit of background about what inspired you to design this program.
• 4:07
  Carmen Hecox: Tell us about your journey.
• 4:10
  Karen Church: Oh yes.
• 4:11
  Karen Church: My journey began about 30 years ago.
• 4:15
  Karen Church: And I just began to have one health issue after another.
• 4:19
  Karen Church: Started with just being easily getting sick to thyroid disease, to then becoming almost pre-diabetic.
• 4:28
  Karen Church: And I thought, wow, what is going on here?
• 4:32
  Karen Church: I'm in my thirties, and I'm completely falling apart.
• 4:37
  Karen Church: What's gonna happen when I hit 40, 50, 60?
• 4:41
  Karen Church: And that just kind of scared me.
• 4:43
  Karen Church: So I started doing a lot of research, working with a lot of different doctors, from specialists and endocrinology to holistic doctors, naturopathic doctors, nutritionists.
• 4:56
  Karen Church: I all over the place.
• 4:58
  Karen Church: And what I finally learned was it was a couple of things that were going on, and that was stressing my body.
• 5:06
  Karen Church: One was a food intolerance.
• 5:10
  Karen Church: Another was just chronic stress in my life that was just ongoing all the time.
• 5:18
  Karen Church: I'm a high achiever, so I tend to set the bar high for myself.
• 5:23
  Karen Church: And another was toxicity.
• 5:27
  Karen Church: And that's really big, especially as we age because our livers are so important at detoxing everything.
• 5:35
  Karen Church: And when we're fluctuating, and we're changing our hormones, that all has to be metabolized by the liver.
• 5:44
  Karen Church: So if we create this toxicity buildup in the body from environmental to food that we're eating to chronic stress, that will all impact being able to stay fit, healthy, and energized.
• 6:01
  Carmen Hecox: Just to give people a little bit of background, because they probably say, oh yeah, well, moms are always complaining that you're stressed.
• 6:07
  Carmen Hecox: At the time back then and still currently, you're an aero engineer.
• 6:11
  Carmen Hecox: Is that correct?
• 6:11
  Carmen Hecox: Aerospace?
• 6:13
  Karen Church: I'm an aerospace engineering.
• 6:15
  Karen Church: Yes.
• 6:15
  Carmen Hecox: That's a very stressful job.
• 6:17
  Karen Church: Yes, yes.
• 6:19
  Karen Church: I was, traveling, I had two kids at home traveling, working a full-time job trying to juggle it all.
• 6:27
  Karen Church: You know, I was still active, but it was a little too much.
• 6:31
  Karen Church: And there came to be one point where things just kind of cracked.
• 6:37
  Karen Church: I was working in senior management, and my vice president was completely, uh, very difficult to work with.
• 6:46
  Karen Church: And to say it bluntly, he was a bully.
• 6:51
  Karen Church: And so you can imagine going into work feeling like I might be attacked that day.
• 6:57
  Karen Church: That was extremely stressful.
• 6:59
  Karen Church: My son was in kindergarten at the time, and he has a severe peanut allergy.
• 7:04
  Karen Church: Well, he was given peanuts five times that year.
• 7:08
  Karen Church: So you can imagine I'm stressed out, going to work.
• 7:11
  Karen Church: I don't know when I'm going to receive a phone call from the school that there's been another episode.
• 7:16
  Karen Church: And this peanut allergy is serious.
• 7:18
  Karen Church: It's life and death.
• 7:19
  Karen Church: So I was under extreme stress all day long, every day.
• 7:26
  Karen Church: I lived for the weekends, just so that I could try to catch up on sleep and do all of the kid activities that I needed to do.
• 7:35
  Karen Church: And that was it.
• 7:36
  Karen Church: And it was just, it was crazy.
• 7:38
  Karen Church: It was never-ending.
• 7:40
  Karen Church: So that was not a sustainable lifestyle.
• 7:42
  Karen Church: That was not a lifestyle that was going to be healthy.
• 7:46
  Karen Church: And it wasn't until my doctor said to me one day you should think about changing your career.
• 7:53
  Karen Church: You would do something really well in the health and wellness industry.
• 7:57
  Karen Church: And I thought, boy, well, I don't wanna go back to school and become a doctor.
• 8:02
  Karen Church: And she's like, but you have so much knowledge, you could do many different things.
• 8:08
  Karen Church: My endocrinologist had told me years before that that I could pass the endocrinology boards.
• 8:14
  Karen Church: Cuz I did, I bought a book, and I read all about the body and the system.
• 8:19
  Karen Church: And I would go in and ask him questions like, why is my blood sugar rising?
• 8:23
  Karen Church: I see this?
• 8:24
  Karen Church: I see that.
• 8:25
  Karen Church: I can read my labs and understand them.
• 8:28
  Karen Church: Because I feel that knowledge is power.
• 8:31
  Karen Church: When we understand, we can be more educated, we can ask those questions, we can be partners with our doctors, and that's one of the things that I educate my clients with, is to become informed and educated so that they can then make the best decisions for themselves with the doctor they're working with.
• 8:50
  Carmen Hecox: Yeah.
• 8:50
  Carmen Hecox: Well, it's kind of like being your own advocate.
• 8:52
  Carmen Hecox: It's, taking responsibility and not relying on the expert to guide you and what you need to do.
• 9:00
  Carmen Hecox: I think it's part of your responsibility as a human to understand, get answers to the questions that you don't quite understand.
• 9:10
  Karen Church: Yes.
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  Karen Church: Yes.
• 9:11
  Karen Church: And it does take a lot of time and effort, and there's a lot of misinformation out there.
• 9:16
  Karen Church: And so that's why I thought, well, I've spent 30 years learning and trying things.
• 9:23
  Karen Church: This doesn't work.
• 9:24
  Karen Church: This is what works.
• 9:26
  Karen Church: Why don't I decide to coach?
• 9:29
  Karen Church: Why don't I decide to teach?
• 9:31
  Karen Church: You know, I have this wealth of information.
• 9:34
  Karen Church: I can break it down easily for folks.
• 9:37
  Karen Church: And it all came to me one day when I realized that I love to teach.
• 9:42
  Karen Church: I used to also coach a girls' lacrosse team.
• 9:45
  Karen Church: I coached them to the championship game in Northern California.
• 9:50
  Karen Church: And I had a blast.
• 9:52
  Karen Church: I did this for four years as the head coach, and it was one of the most rewarding times of my life.
• 10:00
  Karen Church: So when I sat down after the, doctor had said that to me, I really thought about it.
• 10:05
  Karen Church: I said, what do I love to do?
• 10:07
  Karen Church: What's my passion?
• 10:08
  Karen Church: My passion is health and wellness.
• 10:11
  Karen Church: How can I teach others what I've learned so that they don't have to spend 30 years researching, trying, going to this doctor, that doctor, you know, I spent well over a hundred thousand dollars on my journey, and it's ridiculous.
• 10:28
  Karen Church: You don't; why should anyone have to do all of that?
• 10:31
  Karen Church: Just to figure out how to be healthy.
• 10:33
  Carmen Hecox: And let's back up a little bit.
• 10:34
  Carmen Hecox: I remember when we had previously spoke, you had explained to me that you questioned your labs but that you were also a very active woman, and you just explained that cuz you said that you coached the lacrosse team, but the weight wasn't coming off.
• 10:49
  Karen Church: Mm-hmm.
• 10:50
  Karen Church: Yes.
• 10:51
  Karen Church: I was even training for sprint and triathlons with my husband.
• 10:55
  Karen Church: And I look back at those pictures, and I'm like, wow, here I am swimming, biking, running, and I did the races right, but I was not as fit as what I am today, and I don't run anymore.
• 11:12
  Karen Church: Uh, you know, now that I'm in my fifties, I'm, I'm looking to, for longevity for my joints.
• 11:18
  Karen Church: So I don't wanna do that impact on them.
• 11:22
  Karen Church: And I don't need to.
• 11:24
  Karen Church: I don't need to do extreme exercise to maintain a healthy weight.
• 11:30
  Karen Church: Your body really has a set point.
• 11:34
  Karen Church: So if you have balance in the body from, the food that you're eating is nutritious for you.
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  Karen Church: And that's different for everyone.
• 11:43
  Karen Church: So that's another point I wanted to make too, to your viewers, Carmen, is that.
• 11:48
  Karen Church: Avoid following anyone else's diet.
• 11:50
  Karen Church: People will ask me, well, what do you eat?
• 11:52
  Karen Church: And I said, that may or may not work for you.
• 11:55
  Karen Church: It's not about what I eat.
• 11:56
  Karen Church: It's about figuring out what your body, what fuels your body the best.
• 12:02
  Karen Church: And everyone I've worked with we have found a food or two that they don't digest properly.
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  Karen Church: And when that happens, it creates toxemia in the body because that microbiome in the gut starts to change and create mycotoxins.
• 12:24
  Karen Church: A dysbiosis happens those toxins leak out into the bloodstream, and that creates inflammation in the body.
• 12:33
  Karen Church: How that shows up for someone, it really all depends on what their predisposition is.
• 12:41
  Karen Church: So I have clients that come in with high blood pressure or, like I was, with blood sugar problems.
• 12:49
  Karen Church: I have clients that come in with headaches or sinus pain.
• 12:55
  Karen Church: It all depends on what that person's predisposition is.
• 12:59
  Karen Church: We're all different, but as soon as we figure that out and remove that from what they've been eating and then heal the body, everything starts to come back online.
• 13:11
  Carmen Hecox: I actually listened to your masterclass, and you had talked about, you had a couple of clients that had testimonials, but I think the one that really resonated with me was there was a woman who you had been coaching, and she found herself, this catastrophe happened in Florida, which.
• 13:30
  Carmen Hecox: Any Floridian would've been extremely stressed.
• 13:34
  Carmen Hecox: And what is the natural thing that we do when we get stressed is we eat, unfortunately; that's kind of a way of, like a child sucks their thumb, it's a way that we kind of feel safe.
• 13:45
  Carmen Hecox: We start eating unhealthy things.
• 13:47
  Carmen Hecox: But this woman was able to continue to stress in a different way, per se, and the weight was still falling off even though she was dealing with this life-changing event that took place in Florida.
• 14:04
  Karen Church: Yes, my client, Regina, it was pretty devastating.
• 14:08
  Karen Church: Her neighborhood got completely demolished.
• 14:12
  Karen Church: I mean, there's so many homes destroyed.
• 14:15
  Karen Church: They had to completely evacuate to the other coast of Florida for a week.
• 14:21
  Karen Church: So you can imagine in a hotel with your pets, she has pets, her dog, her cat, her daughter that was in college.
• 14:31
  Karen Church: She picked her up, and unfortunately, her dad would not evacuate.
• 14:38
  Karen Church: And that was besides not knowing how your home is now, she has her father who stayed there, and the last conversation she was had with him is that there was water coming in through the ceiling.
• 14:56
  Karen Church: So she didn't know when she went back whether she was gonna find him alive or dead.
• 15:02
  Karen Church: It was cat five hurricane.
• 15:04
  Karen Church: Those that don't understand cat five, I mean, that's a very serious, serious storm.
• 15:10
  Karen Church: So extremely stressful time.
• 15:13
  Karen Church: And she said to me, if it wasn't for your program, Karen, and having set up her lifestyle that supports her, sustains her, and knowing what food to eat, knowing how to start her day so that she can release that stress, how to end the day.
• 15:35
  Karen Church: That was just golden.
• 15:37
  Karen Church: And, and like you said, she did keep losing weight, and a lot of people do tend to eat when they're stressed, and there's a very scientific reason why, and it all is how we developed as humans.
• 15:51
  Karen Church: When we become stressed, it creates the flight and fight response in the body.
• 15:57
  Karen Church: Just like what the caveman had to do when they had to run away from whatever threat was coming their way.
• 16:05
  Karen Church: Because of that, our brain then thinks that we've actually exerted energy when we're stressed.
• 16:13
  Karen Church: So then it sends the signal that you need to refuel.
• 16:17
  Karen Church: So what's that signal?
• 16:19
  Karen Church: I'm hungry.
• 16:20
  Karen Church: So that's why we're hungry when we're stressed.
• 16:24
  Karen Church: Cuz our brain and our body, that's how we evolved, is telling us it, it is trying to help us.
• 16:30
  Karen Church: Your body is always trying to help you.
• 16:33
  Karen Church: And that's what it's trying to do.
• 16:34
  Karen Church: It's saying, oh wow, you just went through this catastrophe event.
• 16:39
  Karen Church: You need to eat, you need that energy, you need that sustenance.
• 16:44
  Karen Church: But we actually didn't.
• 16:46
  Carmen Hecox: Can you talk about I know that I had read or listened to is that there are different phases in your Reboot and Rejuvenate program?
• 16:57
  Carmen Hecox: So can you talk about the phases?
• 17:00
  Carmen Hecox: Can you talk about each different phase?
• 17:01
  Carmen Hecox: What a person would expect out of each phase.
• 17:05
  Carmen Hecox: And how long the program lasts.
• 17:08
  Karen Church: Sure.
• 17:09
  Karen Church: So the program in its total is 18 weeks, and phase one is really doing that root cause investigation.
• 17:18
  Karen Church: I really want to drill down with each person cause we're all unique; we're all different.
• 17:24
  Karen Church: Everything's tailored in the work that I do.
• 17:27
  Karen Church: And understand what is causing and what I term root cause that comes from my engineering background.
• 17:37
  Karen Church: And so I go through into a root cause investigation.
• 17:40
  Karen Church: What are all of the things that we need to go address?
• 17:44
  Karen Church: Physically in the body.
• 17:46
  Karen Church: So we look at labs, we look at digestion, we look at liver function, a whole gamut of things.
• 17:55
  Karen Church: Make sure everything physically is functioning.
• 17:58
  Karen Church: If we find something that's not, what do we need to do to address those?
• 18:04
  Karen Church: We look at the mind.
• 18:07
  Karen Church: Is there anything there that's creating us to self-sabotage?
• 18:12
  Karen Church: That's pulling us back to our old habits.
• 18:14
  Karen Church: How can we do that and so that we can then start to create a systematic approach to our day and change how we're doing things.
• 18:29
  Karen Church: Little by little, we layer on those habits.
• 18:32
  Karen Church: So that's phase two is creating that sustainable lifestyle.
• 18:38
  Karen Church: And that's where Regina was, luckily, when the hurricane hit.
• 18:44
  Karen Church: So we had already identified things.
• 18:46
  Karen Church: We had created what she needed to do so she could still keep going.
• 18:52
  Karen Church: So then, in phase three, we go through what I love because it's really cleaning up the entire system, and we've identified all the causes.
• 19:02
  Karen Church: We've addressed each one there.
• 19:05
  Karen Church: We've gone through and set up the, created that lifestyle that's going to support them.
• 19:10
  Karen Church: So in phase three, it's all about detoxing and cleansing.
• 19:15
  Karen Church: You know, cuz now we're going to reignite that metabolism, and when we clean, just like we spring clean our houses.
• 19:25
  Karen Church: We need to spring clean that body, get everything out cuz you can't avoid everything in your life.
• 19:30
  Karen Church: I mean, welcome to Planet Earth.
• 19:35
  Karen Church: And there's also been a buildup over the years.
• 19:38
  Karen Church: So I teach how to do a mind and body cleanse.
• 19:42
  Karen Church: So there's the mental emotion part of the cleanse, and then there's the physical cleanse that they go through, that they learn, and then they can do.
• 19:51
  Karen Church: And then, once you have all of this information, it's yours.
• 19:55
  Karen Church: You don't ever lose the information.
• 19:58
  Karen Church: You have that content.
• 19:59
  Karen Church: And if I ever update anything, you always have, um, the latest, uh, courses and things in that container.
• 20:08
  Karen Church: And you can always and redo that.
• 20:12
  Karen Church: I do recommend occasionally having to do that, because just like we have to spring clean our house.
• 20:18
  Karen Church: You gotta clean everything back up.
• 20:21
  Carmen Hecox: So tell me, because I don't really know this stuff, but as we age, you know, you and I are around the same age.
• 20:29
  Carmen Hecox: As we get older, our hormones start to fluctuate.
• 20:32
  Carmen Hecox: They start to change.
• 20:33
  Carmen Hecox: Does that change the way the foods that we can eat as well?
• 20:39
  Carmen Hecox: So like, something I could have eaten this year, maybe three years down the road, I've suddenly become allergic to it, or my body can't handle it anymore.
• 20:49
  Karen Church: So what I've found, and this came back to actually my son and it has nothing to do with age.
• 20:57
  Karen Church: It has to do with the immune system becoming oversensitive when it comes to food sensitivities and allergies.
• 21:08
  Karen Church: And what happened with my son was he was becoming sensitive to everything.
• 21:14
  Karen Church: We were running all of the blood work with the allergist and the doctor.
• 21:19
  Karen Church: And you know, he is like, okay, he truly has these allergies to peanuts, and so stay away from all nuts.
• 21:26
  Karen Church: I noticed that when he had dairy, he would break out on his skin.
• 21:30
  Karen Church: So I'm like, okay, well, no dairy; I noticed, you know, different things.
• 21:36
  Karen Church: And then they said, a naturopathic doctor said, well, let's run a sensitivity test.
• 21:40
  Karen Church: Okay.
• 21:42
  Karen Church: There were 50 foods that came up on that test.
• 21:46
  Karen Church: And as a mom, I thought, what is this child going to eat?
• 21:51
  Karen Church: He can't eat anything.
• 21:53
  Karen Church: There was like, can you tell me?
• 21:55
  Karen Church: And so then they were like, well, just avoid the foods that have a number three, cuz they would say, is it a number three, a number two, or number one, because they knew it was impossible to eat.
• 22:09
  Karen Church: And my husband said, what do we, you know, let's put'em on the dirt and water diet.
• 22:15
  Karen Church: Cause my poor son at five heard this and started crying.
• 22:19
  Karen Church: And I said this is not a way to live.
• 22:22
  Karen Church: Well, it turned out my son was reacting to a lot of foods.
• 22:25
  Karen Church: His immune system was heightened because he had a food intolerance to potatoes.
• 22:33
  Karen Church: And when we took potatoes out of his diet, healed his gut, he was able to eat all these other foods that he had never eaten before, and he doesn't react to them.
• 22:46
  Karen Church: So what I've noticed, and I don't, I haven't seen this in the scientific literature out there, but what I've seen from experiences with my son, myself, and the education I've received from, naturopathic doctors, who this is a lot of them, this is where they focus, is that when we heal the gut, we don't have that toxicity leaking out.
• 23:15
  Karen Church: And so if things are leaking out from the gut, that's going to potentially create a heightened immune response.
• 23:27
  Karen Church: So other foods are coming through, those are going through and leaking out.
• 23:33
  Karen Church: So my thoughts are, the reason why you become more sensitive as you age is you build up more toxicity in that microbiome that creates that chain of reaction.
• 23:47
  Karen Church: And over time, depending on what your predisposition is, you become more sensitive.
• 23:53
  Karen Church: Like I grew up, I was highly allergic to pollen.
• 23:57
  Karen Church: Every tree out there, I was allergy tested.
• 24:00
  Karen Church: I'm allergic to grass, cats, dogs, horses, anything with fur.
• 24:06
  Karen Church: And I could not be in a room with a cat for more than 15 minutes.
• 24:10
  Karen Church: My throat would completely change.
• 24:13
  Karen Church: Now I can go to my sister's.
• 24:15
  Karen Church: She has cat, dog, all these animals.
• 24:21
  Karen Church: And my immune system does not react.
• 24:25
  Karen Church: It's just, you know, I would; I don't take allergy medicine anymore.
• 24:30
  Karen Church: It's just amazing that when you feed the body the right foods, you become right back into balance.
• 24:39
  Karen Church: You know, food is thy medicine.
• 24:41
  Carmen Hecox: As I was telling you, my son brought a cat over to my house, and I'm having problems right now with my throat.
• 24:47
  Carmen Hecox: When my kids were young, I had cats in my house all the time, and now I can't be around cats.
• 24:54
  Carmen Hecox: So that's interesting that it could be just the toxicity that I have in my body that is sending out those signals, as you described.
• 25:03
  Carmen Hecox: Because something needs to get balanced.
• 25:06
  Carmen Hecox: And I understand that you also work with doctors.
• 25:10
  Carmen Hecox: Is that correct?
• 25:11
  Karen Church: Yes.
• 25:13
  Karen Church: So I am partnered with a clinic, and that's for my clients that need to do that food intolerance test.
• 25:21
  Karen Church: I can get that order for them.
• 25:22
  Karen Church: And luckily, they get a discount on it.
• 25:25
  Karen Church: Cuz there are, they're a client of mine.
• 25:27
  Karen Church: And so, the clinic will run that, provide all the, the results, and then I go through the findings, the report and provide that all to my clients.
• 25:37
  Karen Church: And I meet with the doctor once a month.
• 25:41
  Karen Church: So that's where I get my updates, get the latest information.
• 25:45
  Karen Church: What they're finding cuz they're always out there testing food, looking at different things.
• 25:50
  Karen Church: And so that's how I get my information that I can then teach my clients.
• 25:55
  Karen Church: So, after the program, I offer a continuation service to be able to get the latest information.
• 26:03
  Karen Church: Cuz as anything, we're always learning new things.
• 26:06
  Karen Church: There's always new information to put out there.
• 26:10
  Karen Church: And then I have other doctors, like my own medical doctor, when she learned that I was coaching, she's like, oh my gosh, so many people need your help because they don't have the time.
• 26:21
  Karen Church: You know, they're so busy in their practices that they can tell people, you need to make these, some lifestyle changes to avoid going on, you know, blood pressure medication or blood sugar medication.
• 26:35
  Karen Church: And it's hard, it's hard to figure out how to do that, how to make those changes, what you need to do.
• 26:42
  Karen Church: And so, she's like, sometimes I get asked, is there a health coach I can work with?
• 26:48
  Karen Church: And so, she's like, your services are needed.
• 26:51
  Karen Church: Because she runs my labs every year, and she's like, this year, she's like, I'm so jealous.
• 26:56
  Karen Church: Your labs are, are, I mean, they're green across the board.
• 27:00
  Karen Church: She's like, oh my gosh.
• 27:02
  Karen Church: And she sees me once a year when I, you know, like everyone, I, I wanna know what my numbers are.
• 27:07
  Karen Church: I wanna make sure everythings still good.
• 27:10
  Karen Church: Even though I feel well, I, it's, you should always check.
• 27:14
  Karen Church: You should always, you know, all of my clients; the first thing I ask them for is, have they done their wellness labs?
• 27:19
  Karen Church: And if not, I, I tell them they need to go do that cuz we need, we need that reference, that starting point.
• 27:26
  Carmen Hecox: I know that if you're not considered obese, then nope, your insurance won't take care of you.
• 27:33
  Carmen Hecox: You're on your own.
• 27:34
  Carmen Hecox: Cuz, I remember I went to my doctor, and I said, I think I need to lose weight.
• 27:37
  Carmen Hecox: And he says, well, you'll have to go see a nutritionist, but it's just like, go see a nutritionist.
• 27:43
  Carmen Hecox: I don't know anything about finding a nutritionist.
• 27:45
  Carmen Hecox: I don't know who's reputable, and unless you're obese, your insurance isn't gonna cover it.
• 27:53
  Carmen Hecox: And so, you're kind of stuck.
• 27:55
  Carmen Hecox: And so the nutritionist, I don't think they know how to read the labs or understand what it is.
• 28:01
  Carmen Hecox: They just kind of say, here's your age.
• 28:04
  Carmen Hecox: Here's your body, the way you carry your weight in your body.
• 28:07
  Carmen Hecox: Here's what you should eat.
• 28:09
  Carmen Hecox: And what if I'm still hungry?
• 28:10
  Carmen Hecox: What do I do?
• 28:11
  Carmen Hecox: Drink tons of water until, until I can't swallow any more water.
• 28:18
  Karen Church: Right and that's the other thing.
• 28:20
  Karen Church: There's this misconception that you need to have deprivation and restriction in order to lose weight and really cut down on the calories.
• 28:31
  Karen Church: Well, you can do that, but as soon as you start eating like a normal person.
• 28:37
  Karen Church: I'll say the normal amount; it's all gonna come back.
• 28:41
  Karen Church: And then some is usually what happens.
• 28:43
  Karen Church: It's, and it's not healthy for the body.
• 28:45
  Karen Church: The way you lose the weight needs to be the way you keep it off.
• 28:50
  Karen Church: One, it's sustainable.
• 28:52
  Karen Church: And two, you know you're gonna have that weight loss for good permanently.
• 28:58
  Karen Church: And if not, you're just going and doing that yo-yo dieting that happens all the time because it's so much more than the nutrition.
• 29:08
  Karen Church: And I tell people things need to be tailored.
• 29:12
  Karen Church: You need a therapeutic diet, which means something that is strictly for you.
• 29:19
  Karen Church: What is it that you can eat?
• 29:21
  Karen Church: My client, Regina, it was we had to take dairy completely out of her diet.
• 29:27
  Karen Church: And there was a food combination that she had to take out of her diet.
• 29:32
  Karen Church: You know some, for some people, it's when you eat one food alongside another food within a certain amount of time with each other that they can't digest it properly.
• 29:42
  Karen Church: And so, once we figured that out and started cleaning things up, everything started to work.
• 29:49
  Carmen Hecox: And I wanna go back; this is something that I meant to ask you.
• 29:52
  Carmen Hecox: I know that you said you work with doctors, and they're able to run the labs.
• 29:56
  Carmen Hecox: Do you know, because you're in Florida, I'm in California, is that something that I would pay for out of my own pocket, or is that something that can be billed through my insurance?
• 30:06
  Carmen Hecox: Do you know that at all?
• 30:08
  Karen Church: So, it can't be done through, the insurance won't accept it, but if you have a HSA or FSA, those flex spending accounts, so I do accept those for any of my clients who work with me.
• 30:25
  Karen Church: I don't believe the clinic does for the lab test.
• 30:29
  Karen Church: I'd have to double-check with them on that.
• 30:31
  Karen Church: But like I said, the lab test itself is$250.
• 30:35
  Karen Church: It's not; it's not anything.
• 30:38
  Karen Church: For the clients that go through me, normally, it's a$400 test.
• 30:43
  Karen Church: So, I tell people$250 is nothing.
• 30:48
  Karen Church: It's, to me, it's peanuts.
• 30:49
  Karen Church: Knowing the amount of money, I spent and the amount of time.
• 30:55
  Carmen Hecox: Yeah, cuz my husband, he's allergic to everything under God's green earth.
• 30:59
  Carmen Hecox: I remember we were talking about my interview with you, and he told me, he says, you know, I just had an allergy test done every year.
• 31:06
  Carmen Hecox: And he said, I looked at the EOB, he says, that's very expensive.
• 31:11
  Carmen Hecox: He didn't tell me how much, but he just said it's very expensive to run a full labs on trying to figure out what you're allergic to.
• 31:20
  Karen Church: Yeah, those are expensive.
• 31:22
  Karen Church: And honestly, Carmen, that's looking at an immune response.
• 31:27
  Karen Church: And why is the body having that immune response?
• 31:31
  Karen Church: I'm still hoping one day that we can get my son to not respond to peanuts.
• 31:37
  Karen Church: But we'll see, we'll see if we can ever get there.
• 31:40
  Karen Church: He certainly has a much less of a response, immune response, which is good because that means the likelihood of him going into anaphylactic shock and throat closing up is much, much less.
• 31:54
  Karen Church: And that's, that's life-threatening is like, okay, you get some hives, those go away.
• 31:59
  Karen Church: Um, but you're okay.
• 32:01
  Karen Church: But the other, that's, as a mom, of course, that's what I worry about.
• 32:05
  Carmen Hecox: That's how I am with pineapple.
• 32:06
  Carmen Hecox: I can't have any pineapple cuz then my throat starts closing up, and I feel like my eyes are bulging cuz I can't breathe.
• 32:14
  Carmen Hecox: So, I know that kids with peanut allergies are worse than that.
• 32:19
  Carmen Hecox: Can you talk about any client transformation, particularly those that have managed to come off medications for maintaining cholesterol, diabetes, or anxiety?
• 32:29
  Carmen Hecox: I know you have one.
• 32:32
  Karen Church: So, I have a lot.
• 32:33
  Karen Church: I have several.
• 32:35
  Karen Church: So, we talked about my client, Regina.
• 32:37
  Karen Church: She did come off of all of her diabetes medication and doesn't need it.
• 32:43
  Karen Church: And this was in less than 18 weeks.
• 32:47
  Karen Church: And she had been on medication for years.
• 32:50
  Karen Church: Her doctor could not believe it.
• 32:52
  Karen Church: Her doctor, when she started with me, wanted to double her medication because things were getting so serious, and the medication was making her sick to her stomach.
• 33:03
  Karen Church: So, she said, I just started working with this new coach.
• 33:07
  Karen Church: Can you just give me some time and will rerun my labs.
• 33:14
  Karen Church: And she turned everything around.
• 33:17
  Karen Church: It was completely amazing.
• 33:19
  Karen Church: And she had also had thyroid cancer, so she had her thyroid removed.
• 33:24
  Karen Church: And those who don't know, thyroid plays a big component on your metabolism and being able to lose weight.
• 33:33
  Karen Church: So, her thyroid labs, even though she didn't have a thyroid anymore, the function was back up.
• 33:42
  Karen Church: So, her doctor was almost like, oh, do we need to bump down your thyroid medication?
• 33:48
  Karen Church: And, uh, you know, it's amazing how even when they remove an organ, there's always still something a little bit still there.
• 33:58
  Karen Church: There's memory in the body of things.
• 34:01
  Karen Church: So that's, that's the blood sugar.
• 34:03
  Karen Church: My client Jane she's working to slowly come off of her medication for depression and antidepressants, and that's something that you really need to work very closely with the doctor because you can't just come off cold turkey.
• 34:20
  Karen Church: So, she's been stepping down off of that and has done really, really well.
• 34:25
  Karen Church: My client, Angela, she suffered from anxiety many, many years, had been on and off medication, and she attributes her weight gain to the medication she's been on.
• 34:38
  Karen Church: So, for the first time ever in her life, she has avoided going back on any of the anxiety medication.
• 34:48
  Karen Church: And she was also borderline with her cholesterol, and once again, she told her doctor, give me some time; I'm making some changes.
• 34:56
  Karen Church: So, she avoided having to go on any cholesterol medications.
• 35:01
  Karen Church: So, a lot of really big wins in the health area there.
• 35:06
  Carmen Hecox: Major, major because no one wants to be tied to a pill bottle.
• 35:13
  Carmen Hecox: We wanna be able to live a life as clean as possible.
• 35:20
  Carmen Hecox: I wanted to bring this up.
• 35:21
  Carmen Hecox: I know that, when we had talked before, cuz I had asked you, I said, well, I think the best diet for me is one that I enjoy the food and I don't feel like I am in a jail or something.
• 35:34
  Carmen Hecox: Like, here's my life sentence.
• 35:35
  Carmen Hecox: If I wanna continue to stay thin, these are the only foods I can eat.
• 35:41
  Carmen Hecox: No one wants that restriction.
• 35:42
  Carmen Hecox: You wanna be able to have a life that you can enjoy and be vibrant and just not be restrained.
• 35:51
  Karen Church: Absolutely, and that's creating a sustainable lifestyle.
• 35:55
  Karen Church: You know, if your favorite thing in the whole world is chocolate, and I always talk about chocolate cause I love chocolate, and you could never have chocolate again.
• 36:05
  Karen Church: Or you could have, like, every time you ate it, you would gain like two pounds, and then you have to work for like three weeks to get those two pounds off.
• 36:17
  Karen Church: That's, that's crazy.
• 36:19
  Karen Church: Um, you know, it's, so it comes down to knowing how your body reacts to things and then finding those substitutes.
• 36:29
  Karen Church: And I always.
• 36:30
  Karen Church: Tell people it's usually not the chocolate.
• 36:33
  Karen Church: It's not the certain meal that you like.
• 36:36
  Karen Church: And if it is, some of my clients have to avoid cane sugar.
• 36:41
  Karen Church: Well, there's so many sweeteners out there.
• 36:43
  Karen Church: Coconut sugar is, is amazing, and there is the most amazing chocolates.
• 36:50
  Karen Church: Um, I have nothing to do with this company.
• 36:52
  Karen Church: It's called Lulus, but they make these truffles, hazelnut truffles, and they use coconut sugar instead.
• 37:01
  Karen Church: So, I sent that to a client of mine for her birthday, cuz one, and they're dairy free cuz she has to be dairy free.
• 37:08
  Karen Church: She couldn't do the cane sugar.
• 37:10
  Karen Church: She's like, I can never have chocolate again.
• 37:12
  Karen Church: Because she couldn't have dairy and she couldn't have cane sugar.
• 37:16
  Karen Church: And most of the chocolate out there has cane sugar in it.
• 37:21
  Karen Church: And then the ones that are alternatives she had tasted, she's like, oh, these taste terrible.
• 37:26
  Karen Church: I'm never gonna be able to eat chocolate again.
• 37:27
  Karen Church: I said I'm gonna send you something.
• 37:30
  Karen Church: So, I sent her for her birthday, the Lulu Truffles, and she was just like, oh my gosh.
• 37:37
  Karen Church: She told her family nobody touches these.
• 37:40
  Karen Church: They were amazing.
• 37:42
  Karen Church: I said that's what I do.
• 37:44
  Karen Church: I researched, and I look for the products that my clients will still love and can eat but are healthy for their body.
• 37:55
  Carmen Hecox: Yeah, and let me just add in here that I remember you shared this with me, that you're a picky eater.
• 38:01
  Carmen Hecox: So not only are you doing the research, your standard is higher than most people.
• 38:07
  Karen Church: It is I'm, I'm very picky.
• 38:09
  Karen Church: If I'm going to eat something, it has to be something I enjoy.
• 38:13
  Karen Church: If not, I'm not gonna waste my time.
• 38:15
  Karen Church: I'm busy.
• 38:16
  Karen Church: I got something to do.
• 38:18
  Karen Church: You know, if it's not if it doesn't taste good to me, I'm not enjoying it.
• 38:21
  Karen Church: I don't want it.
• 38:22
  Karen Church: That's not for me.
• 38:24
  Karen Church: Um, I've; I remember for me, I can't eat any eggs.
• 38:28
  Karen Church: So baking, I had to learn to bake without eggs.
• 38:32
  Karen Church: So how can I make cookies?
• 38:33
  Karen Church: How can I make cake when it comes to birthdays?
• 38:36
  Karen Church: And, just learning how to do all of that.
• 38:39
  Karen Church: And my son, the sweetest thing, he would eat anything, and I would be like, nope.
• 38:45
  Karen Church: That one didn't work.
• 38:46
  Karen Church: Like redo, try again.
• 38:50
  Karen Church: Like, I wouldn't serve this to guests coming over.
• 38:54
  Karen Church: No.
• 38:54
  Karen Church: And so, yes, I am super picky.
• 38:56
  Karen Church: So, when I put something out there, I know 99% they're gonna like this.
• 39:04
  Karen Church: There's always that 1% that may not, but that's it.
• 39:08
  Karen Church: I'm pretty, I'm pretty good, and everyone I've shared my recipes with and, and what used and how to substitute different things to make it taste the way they're used to.
• 39:22
  Karen Church: One of my clients, she has a teenager, and we all know how teenagers are.
• 39:27
  Karen Church: And she's like, what am I gonna do at Thanksgiving?
• 39:29
  Karen Church: How am I gonna make the pumpkin pie?
• 39:32
  Karen Church: How am I gonna make the sweet potato casserole?
• 39:35
  Karen Church: I said I've got you covered.
• 39:37
  Karen Church: I'm going to; this is how you're gonna make your pumpkin pie.
• 39:40
  Karen Church: These are the substitutes you can use.
• 39:43
  Karen Church: This is how you're going to do your sweet potato castles.
• 39:45
  Karen Church: This is how you're gonna do this.
• 39:47
  Karen Church: And it was, it was so interesting her daughter did not even know the difference.
• 39:54
  Karen Church: Another client of mine wanted to make chili and cornbread, and so, she took my cornbread recipe, and her husband said, this is the best cornbread I've ever had.
• 40:09
  Karen Church: So when other people are eating the food, and they're enjoying it, and they don't even know that you've swapped out things, then you know, you've struck gold.
• 40:19
  Carmen Hecox: And what I like about what you just said is that you are not feeling deprived.
• 40:24
  Carmen Hecox: You're still having what used to be your old lifestyle.
• 40:30
  Carmen Hecox: You're enjoying those foods.
• 40:31
  Carmen Hecox: And the best part about it is that it's okay with your body.
• 40:37
  Carmen Hecox: It's something that there's been a lot studying and a lot of fact-finding and scientific blood lab results that say, what you can't have and what you can't have, but you're allowing people to still have that.
• 40:51
  Carmen Hecox: And the other thing I remember you talked about is that you said no counting calories.
• 40:58
  Karen Church: Oh Yes.
• 40:59
  Carmen Hecox: And that's so big cuz I remember I; you know, I track with my phone.
• 41:03
  Carmen Hecox: I ate this, I ate that, and then I have my Samsung watch, and so it tracks my activity.
• 41:09
  Carmen Hecox: And so, I track my intake and my activity to try to see, okay, am I budging the needle here?
• 41:16
  Carmen Hecox: What's cool about the way your program Reboot and Rejuvenate the education system is that it allows me to I don't have to count calories.
• 41:25
  Carmen Hecox: I haven't tried it for anybody.
• 41:26
  Carmen Hecox: I haven't tried the program, but I'm, just based on what you're saying, you don't have to count calories, you don't have to feel like you're being deprived of anything.
• 41:37
  Carmen Hecox: And the good news is I'm going to lose weight and my numbers at the end of the year, when the end of the year, at the beginning of the year, whenever people usually run their numbers.
• 41:47
  Carmen Hecox: They're going to look amazing.
• 41:49
  Carmen Hecox: The doctor's gonna wonder, what on earth are you doing?
• 41:53
  Carmen Hecox: Or if you don't need that medication anymore.
• 41:55
  Carmen Hecox: I mean, that's amazing.
• 41:57
  Karen Church: It's, it's life-changing for people, you know?
• 42:01
  Karen Church: That's why I love what I do.
• 42:03
  Karen Church: When they come back and they said, oh my gosh, Karen, you completely changed my life.
• 42:09
  Karen Church: And in every aspect, I'm happier, I'm healthier.
• 42:15
  Karen Church: And most of the time, they first talk to me because they wanna lose weight.
• 42:19
  Karen Church: And then I have to ask them, how much weight have you lost?
• 42:23
  Karen Church: Because you look like you've lost some weight.
• 42:24
  Karen Church: They're like, oh yeah, that's now like a second, a backseat.
• 42:28
  Karen Church: Like, they're like, it's not about the weight loss anymore.
• 42:31
  Karen Church: And they just feel so much better.
• 42:36
  Karen Church: And my client, Tammy, said, I didn't know what normal felt like.
• 42:42
  Karen Church: And that was really key because when you're used to feeling a certain way, and she's like, she would describe herself as the turtle.
• 42:51
  Karen Church: She would just get up in the morning.
• 42:53
  Karen Church: She didn't have a lot of energy, but she would just, you know, going through because.
• 42:58
  Karen Church: She's a mom; she's a grandma.
• 43:00
  Karen Church: She owns her own business.
• 43:03
  Karen Church: You know, she has to get things done.
• 43:05
  Karen Church: So, she would just go at her pace because that's all she could do and get through her day.
• 43:13
  Karen Church: And now she wakes up, and she is energy through the roof, you know, feels great, can do all of these things.
• 43:21
  Karen Church: And she's like, wow, I feel so good.
• 43:24
  Karen Church: And I said this is what normal feels like.
• 43:26
  Karen Church: She was like, I didn't know what normal felt like cuz I had lived for so many years the other way.
• 43:32
  Carmen Hecox: You mentioned that I thought was really important, too, was eat when you're hungry.
• 43:38
  Carmen Hecox: I know I tried a plan where I order my meals, and they arrived home, and this was labeled breakfast, this was labeled lunch, and so forth.
• 43:47
  Carmen Hecox: And then it said, and you can add these foods, which were usually vegetables and some fruit.
• 43:52
  Carmen Hecox: Not a lot of fruit, but vegetables.
• 43:54
  Carmen Hecox: And I remember, I tell my husband, I'm like, I'm still hungry.
• 43:58
  Carmen Hecox: Now what?
• 43:59
  Carmen Hecox: And so, to hear you, when we had spoken previously, you said you eat when you're hungry.
• 44:04
  Carmen Hecox: And I thought, isn't that nice?
• 44:05
  Carmen Hecox: Isn't that liberating?
• 44:07
  Karen Church: Yeah, it is liberating, and it's learning to listen to you.
• 44:10
  Karen Church: Your body tells you when you're hungry.
• 44:12
  Karen Church: You know, it's, I mean, obviously, if I get super busy one day and I'm like, oh my gosh, I didn't have, I didn't slow down, and I waited too long to eat, then I'm starving happens to the best of us.
• 44:27
  Karen Church: But you know, it's really understanding the cues and signals and making that mind-body connection.
• 44:34
  Karen Church: And were fueling our body properly, we don't need to eat because that food creates the fuel our body needs, you know?
• 44:46
  Karen Church: And in order to lose weight, you need to burn off that glucose level so that you can go into fat burning.
• 44:56
  Karen Church: So, it's not about the calories cause a snicker bars has so much calories, and so does a plate of salmon with a salad.
• 45:06
  Karen Church: How your chemistry in your body reacts to a Snickers bar versus the salmon and salad is completely different, completely different.
• 45:18
  Karen Church: So it's, it's not about calories, it's about what food are you putting in your body and can your body use that as the fuel that it needs?
• 45:29
  Karen Church: If not, it's going to send you another signal; you need to feed me cuz it didn't get what it needs to keep going.
• 45:40
  Carmen Hecox: Yeah.
• 45:41
  Carmen Hecox: And so just to, there's three phases and phase, one is more of the getting to know the client.
• 45:49
  Carmen Hecox: We're getting to know the person's, what they're allergic to, or what they can have or what they can't have.
• 45:56
  Karen Church: So, it's not just about the food that you eat.
• 45:58
  Karen Church: We need to do an assessment of the whole person, from the food to is there any chronic stress going on?
• 46:08
  Karen Church: Do we need to implement some tools to initially be able to manage that, but then work through making the life changes that need to happen to get rid of that chronic stressor?
• 46:19
  Karen Church: Like for me, it was making a change out of the program that I was working on to a different program and then eventually moving into, uh, being a wellness coach that completely lifts my spirit and is aligned with what I enjoy doing most.
• 46:37
  Karen Church: So that's the first thing is to assess all of those areas.
• 46:40
  Karen Church: And is there anything in your spirit which brings that emotions, that joy, that happiness?
• 46:47
  Karen Church: Sometimes it's a relationship issue that needs to get addressed.
• 46:51
  Karen Church: Um, so really deep diving into the whole person and identifying all of the things that need to be addressed and coming up with a tailored approach to how they're going to start to make these changes in their lives that are gonna bring them that balance.
• 47:10
  Karen Church: So that's phase one is doing that identifying all of those things.
• 47:13
  Karen Church: Phase two is all about, okay, this is what we're gonna do.
• 47:18
  Karen Church: We're gonna hit the ground running.
• 47:19
  Karen Church: We're gonna, if you need to do that food analysis, we do that.
• 47:24
  Karen Church: I recommend what to do in the meantime so that they can start feeling better.
• 47:29
  Karen Church: Cause it's like, who wants to wait a couple of weeks to get those results back.
• 47:34
  Karen Church: I was like, well, we can start doing it now cuz there's a list of things that I can recommend.
• 47:39
  Karen Church: Take these out and see if this starts to make a difference.
• 47:42
  Karen Church: Cuz it's gonna be one or two of these things.
• 47:45
  Karen Church: And it's not a long list; it's a list of seven, so it's not 50 like my poor son.
• 47:50
  Karen Church: And then creating that lifestyle that supports them.
• 47:53
  Karen Church: It's really phase two.
• 47:55
  Karen Church: And then phase three is that mind and body cleanse, firing up back up all of the systems, cleaning out the liver, just getting everything back online and really igniting everything.
• 48:08
  Karen Church: So now you're a clean slate.
• 48:14
  Carmen Hecox: And when does the, getting active.
• 48:16
  Carmen Hecox: Does the active phase take part in phase one, phase two, or phase three, or when does that get introduced?
• 48:23
  Karen Church: Sure.
• 48:24
  Karen Church: So, I start in phase one, and I introduce some yoga cuz yoga is really great.
• 48:31
  Karen Church: Especially as we age.
• 48:33
  Karen Church: Some people have less portability, and it just gets you moving.
• 48:37
  Karen Church: You know, I always recommend movement every day, but it comes into more play into phase two, where we really create that routine that is best for you.
• 48:49
  Karen Church: You know, some of my clients, they're like, this really isn't working for me.
• 48:53
  Karen Church: Well, if the movement isn't something you enjoy cause everything comes back to joy and pleasure, then you're not gonna stick with it.
• 49:02
  Karen Church: You know, I had a client of mine, she's like, I can't do anything that I'm on my hands and knees there's just too much weight.
• 49:10
  Karen Church: And I said, okay, let's get you in the pool, with the water that takes the stress off her joints.
• 49:17
  Karen Church: So, she just started doing that every morning and was like, yes, this is working.
• 49:22
  Karen Church: And so now she's worked up to she just bought a Peloton bike, and she's amazing.
• 49:28
  Karen Church: She's lost 95 pounds.
• 49:33
  Karen Church: I told her we're gonna celebrate when she hits 100.
• 49:38
  Karen Church: And I said it's not far away.
• 49:40
  Karen Church: She's losing like two pounds a week.
• 49:42
  Karen Church: I mean, it's just incredible that this lady and she's just amazing.
• 49:48
  Karen Church: And she started with just doing 30 minutes of just moving in the pool.
• 49:52
  Karen Church: Not even, not even laps.
• 49:55
  Karen Church: Cuz her, she had a small pool, wasn't, she wasn't going to the pool.
• 49:58
  Karen Church: She just had a pool at her house, and she would just get in there and do some exercises, and this is where she is today.
• 50:06
  Karen Church: So, it doesn't have to be extreme.
• 50:09
  Karen Church: I always thought, oh, I have to do some really extreme hard workout in order to lose weight.
• 50:14
  Karen Church: No, I just need to move my body a little every day.
• 50:18
  Karen Church: And I need to fuel my body appropriately, and I need to keep my stress down, and I need to make sure I get good night's sleep.
• 50:27
  Karen Church: You know, sleep is really important.
• 50:29
  Karen Church: That's part of the investigation we do, is how well are they sleeping?
• 50:33
  Karen Church: Because if you're not sleeping, you're not resting, you're not going to that rest and repair state, and that really, that's another stressor on the body.
• 50:43
  Karen Church: So, we look for all of those stressors and start to work each one of those in phase two.
• 50:49
  Carmen Hecox: Then phase three is educating about the foods to eat and learning recipes that'll kind of give you what you missed out on or what you think you're missing out on.
• 50:59
  Carmen Hecox: Like, if I like carrot cake, teach me how to eat healthy carrot cake.
• 51:02
  Karen Church: That's all in phase two.
• 51:04
  Karen Church: That's all, yeah, that's all in phase two.
• 51:06
  Karen Church: Phase three is really the mind and body cleanse, so that's when we reignite the metabolism again.
• 51:13
  Karen Church: When you clean the body, everything tastes differently.
• 51:18
  Karen Church: Like I remember my client, Brandy, she did the cleanse, and one of the things during the cleanse is, you follow this program of what to eat, that's gonna help detoxify the liver.
• 51:32
  Karen Church: And then, the day that she brought in the blueberry smoothie and I told her, I said, wait till you try this blueberry smoothie.
• 51:39
  Karen Church: I was like, it's gonna be the best blueberry smoothie.
• 51:41
  Karen Church: You, you actually taste your food again.
• 51:45
  Karen Church: Our taste buds completely change, and they get clean, and it's like, wow, I can taste my food.
• 51:53
  Karen Church: I said, wait till you taste this carrot celery soup.
• 51:57
  Karen Church: You're gonna think it's the best.
• 52:00
  Karen Church: You know your family won't because they haven't done the cleanse, but you're gonna think this is amazing.
• 52:08
  Karen Church: And she's like, oh my gosh.
• 52:09
  Karen Church: She was so right.
• 52:10
  Karen Church: This is so good.
• 52:12
  Karen Church: When we clean out, it's like food actually tastes good again, and simple things taste good.
• 52:19
  Karen Church: You can taste your food.
• 52:21
  Carmen Hecox: Wow, that's amazing.
• 52:23
  Carmen Hecox: Well, I have a question to ask you when a person is going through the detox, cuz I mean, I've gone through different plans, and when I'm going through a detox, I just feel like I'm getting ready to have a colonoscopy.
• 52:33
  Carmen Hecox: I'm just so sorry about that to be so graphic.
• 52:36
  Carmen Hecox: But you know, you know how you just feel like I just need something to just.
• 52:42
  Carmen Hecox: Carrying me to the next day.
• 52:44
  Carmen Hecox: You just feel deprived.
• 52:45
  Carmen Hecox: Does the cleanse do that?
• 52:46
  Carmen Hecox: Does your cleanse do that?
• 52:47
  Carmen Hecox: Do people tend to feel a little like maybe headachy because you're letting out?
• 52:51
  Carmen Hecox: You're letting out these toxins, and unfortunately, toxins can create headaches or itchy skin, just different things cuz it's coming out.
• 53:01
  Karen Church: So, it can, honestly, the ladies who have done it haven't had any severe reactions.
• 53:07
  Karen Church: I know that when I did previous detoxes, I felt like I was having the flu; when I did the one that I do, I did not.
• 53:19
  Karen Church: Why?
• 53:21
  Karen Church: Because I had changed my diet.
• 53:23
  Karen Church: I was no longer eating the food that was making me toxic.
• 53:28
  Karen Church: Right?
• 53:28
  Karen Church: This is why I have a very specific order because if we start with that detox first, it's going to make you feel terrible.
• 53:39
  Karen Church: And there's no need to do that.
• 53:41
  Karen Church: We need to start at the right step to clean everything up.
• 53:46
  Karen Church: And I teach them how to, there's naturopathic medicine, therapies that will accelerate the healing process in the body.
• 53:57
  Karen Church: And we do all of that before doing the detox.
• 54:03
  Karen Church: So, it makes it so much smoother, so much easier.
• 54:07
  Karen Church: You don't have those experiences.
• 54:09
  Karen Church: I haven't seen them have any extreme effects that I went through when I tried doing them.
• 54:16
  Karen Church: So, it's, everyone's body is different, so I'm not gonna say you're not gonna have anything, but it depends on where you are when you start, but I know that with my system, it's much, much less when I do it now, I haven't had any of those symptoms.
• 54:35
  Karen Church: No headaches, no body aches, pains, none of that.
• 54:39
  Karen Church: And it's because your system is so much cleaner, to begin with.
• 54:43
  Karen Church: So, there's, there's not that much that needs to come out.
• 54:46
  Karen Church: And I also provide very natural remedies.
• 54:49
  Karen Church: So, like, if you have a headache, this is what you need to do.
• 54:52
  Karen Church: If this happens, you all you need to do is this that will alleviate any symptoms that may pop up.
• 55:00
  Karen Church: So, cuz the last thing you wanna do is feel miserable for a day or two.
• 55:07
  Carmen Hecox: I know, like a lot of times, I can't move forward with the cleanse for whatever the detox is supposed to be.
• 55:13
  Carmen Hecox: Like, it's, if the three day or four day I can't because I feel so horrible.
• 55:19
  Carmen Hecox: And I'm a mom, and I have people that I'm responsible for, and so it's just, I think the adverse effects are the reasons why it's just so difficult to go through it.
• 55:28
  Carmen Hecox: And so that's good that the way you've set your program up, it just makes it to where someone can successfully go through the detox process.
• 55:37
  Carmen Hecox: So, Karen, where can people hear more about you and your Reboot and Rejuvenate program?
• 55:45
  Karen Church: Well, I have a couple of places.
• 55:47
  Karen Church: I do have a reboot and rejuvenate page where they can learn all about the program, and if they're interested, they can book a call with me.
• 55:56
  Karen Church: Cuz, I do speak to every one of my clients personally before selling them the program.
• 56:04
  Karen Church: I need to make sure that I can actually help them and that it's a good fit.
• 56:08
  Karen Church: It this is what they this is what they need, and it's the right time for them to do this program.
• 56:15
  Karen Church: So that's, that's one.
• 56:17
  Karen Church: And if you're interested in learning more about any free trainings that I have, I have a Facebook group.
• 56:25
  Karen Church: It's a private Facebook group, but you're, it's doesn't cost anything, it's free, and you can request to join.
• 56:32
  Karen Church: It's 40 and Fabulous out there.
• 56:34
  Karen Church: And I think Carmen, you have the link to that as well.
• 56:37
  Karen Church: You can provide.
• 56:38
  Carmen Hecox: I do, and I will provide all your links, all your social links, and links to your Facebook group, your private Facebook group that they can request, and a link to get in contact with you to schedule an appointment to do that root assessment.
• 56:53
  Karen Church: And I really recommend, everyone start with, I have a masterclass out there that you really get a lot of a lot more detail on what Carmen and I talked about today.
• 57:06
  Karen Church: And it's a wealth of information.
• 57:08
  Karen Church: It's an education.
• 57:09
  Karen Church: So.
• 57:09
  Karen Church: It's really an introduction to what you would see, in my program, in my teaching, and that's absolutely free as well.
• 57:18
  Karen Church: Cause I wanna get the message out there to more amazing women.
• 57:23
  Karen Church: You know, women.
• 57:24
  Karen Church: And that's the other thing I find that women when we learn and get better, it's a cascading effect because it impacts our whole family.
• 57:38
  Karen Church: Everyone gets healthier because who's buying the groceries?
• 57:42
  Karen Church: Who's educating our children on nutrition and movement and how to live a happy life?
• 57:51
  Karen Church: It's the mom.
• 57:52
  Karen Church: It's the mom.
• 57:53
  Karen Church: So, I have a lot of ladies who start, and then their husbands do the program with them because they see.
• 58:01
  Karen Church: They're like, wow, I'm gonna try this.
• 58:04
  Karen Church: I wanna do this.
• 58:05
  Karen Church: And it just, now the whole family is healthier.
• 58:08
  Karen Church: I have ladies that the mom starts, the husband starts, and then the teenage daughter starts.
• 58:15
  Karen Church: And it's great.
• 58:16
  Karen Church: You know, and since it's the program that they've purchased, I'm like, Hey, it's for your family.
• 58:22
  Karen Church: Teach your immediate family how to live that healthy life and bring that through.
• 58:28
  Carmen Hecox: And that's very important because, unfortunately, a lot of us weren't.
• 58:32
  Carmen Hecox: I think that we have moms that you know, that brought us into this world, and we're busy moms, and they feed us, or they teach us what they learned, and maybe those habits weren't the best habits.
• 58:46
  Carmen Hecox: And what do we do?
• 58:47
  Carmen Hecox: We turn around, and we teach our kids those same unhealthy habits.
• 58:51
  Carmen Hecox: And so, your program's kind of a way of correcting that cycle.
• 58:55
  Karen Church: Absolutely, and I mean, I was very fortunate my mom is from Spain, and so I grew up on a Mediterranean diet, and you always hear about how healthy Mediterranean diet is, and it is, but the problem is I can't eat eggs.
• 59:15
  Karen Church: So even though egg is a healthy food, it's a healthy form of protein.
• 59:20
  Karen Church: If you can eat them, eat them.
• 59:22
  Karen Church: It was destroying my gut.
• 59:25
  Karen Church: So, you can eat a healthy diet, but if you're not eating, if you're eating something that's not healthy for your body, I always tell people I view eggs as my kryptonite.
• 59:35
  Karen Church: So, if I was super woman, superman, eggs are my kryptonite.
• 59:40
  Karen Church: I have to stay away from anything that contains an egg.
• 59:44
  Karen Church: And learning what your kryptonite is key cuz that's gonna make all the difference.
• 59:51
  Carmen Hecox: And it's going to solve the problem as to why your body's not responding like it should.
• 59:58
  Carmen Hecox: When I listened to your mastermind, you had talked about when your liver's working properly, your body's burning calories like it should.
• 1:00:05
  Karen Church: Mm-hmm.
• 1:00:06
  Karen Church: Yep.
• 1:00:07
  Karen Church: Your liver is part of your metabolism, is part of your digestion.
• 1:00:11
  Karen Church: It's your detoxifying organ; it's a protein synthesis.
• 1:00:17
  Karen Church: It also stores your vitamins and minerals.
• 1:00:19
  Karen Church: So, all those amazing, wonderful supplements that you're taking, if your liver is full and toxic, you're flushing your money down the toilet.
• 1:00:29
  Karen Church: It's not getting stored.
• 1:00:30
  Karen Church: So, it's one of, it's an amazing organ and to make sure that that's functioning right.
• 1:00:38
  Karen Church: And, most people are like, oh, I wanna run out and get labs on my liver.
• 1:00:43
  Karen Church: Well, unfortunately, what doctors are looking for is disease, and you have to wait a long time.
• 1:00:50
  Karen Church: And maybe it'll never become disease, you know, cuz they're looking for a specific number.
• 1:00:56
  Karen Church: But optimal function is what I'm referring to here.
• 1:01:00
  Karen Church: You know, that's the difference.
• 1:01:01
  Carmen Hecox: Yeah, and the thing that I'll have to brag to people here is about what's unique about your program is that you have been trained to be an engineer, and so you have designed this program with the engineering mentality.
• 1:01:15
  Karen Church: Yes.
• 1:01:16
  Karen Church: Yes.
• 1:01:17
  Karen Church: So, the root cause investigation that I do is exactly what we do in engineering when there is a system failure.
• 1:01:28
  Karen Church: Because when we're not able to lose weight, or we're gaining weight, or we have headaches, or we have this, all of these things, that's a system failure in the body, in the person.
• 1:01:41
  Karen Church: And so, we need to look at the, what's going on in the body, what's going on in the mind, and what's going on with the spirit.
• 1:01:48
  Karen Church: So, it's a holistic approach and systematic integrative approach.
• 1:01:54
  Karen Church: And then, where do we start?
• 1:01:58
  Karen Church: How are we going to start so that we do things in the right order, uh, to get those optimal results and get the results that are going to last?
• 1:02:09
  Karen Church: That's the other thing that is super frustrating is, like, anyone can put you on a diet and you're gonna lose some weight, but is it gonna, are you going to reach your goal and is it sustainable and is it going to last?
• 1:02:24
  Carmen Hecox: Yeah, and that's the most important part is getting there and staying there, continuing to live a healthy life from that point forward.
• 1:02:34
  Karen Church: Right.
• 1:02:35
  Karen Church: I had my son at 39, so I wanna be around for my grandchildren.
• 1:02:41
  Karen Church: I'm gonna be, I'm already one of the older moms at the school, so I can imagine if he waits as long as I did to have kids.
• 1:02:49
  Karen Church: Oh boy.
• 1:02:52
  Carmen Hecox: Well, Karen, thank you so much for being on the show.
• 1:02:55
  Carmen Hecox: I look forward to having you on again.
• 1:02:59
  Karen Church: Well, thank you, Carmen.
• 1:03:00
  Karen Church: It's been my pleasure.
• 1:03:02
  Karen Church: I've loved chatting with you and thank you for having me.
• 1:03:06
  Carmen Hecox: Wow.
• 1:03:07
  Carmen Hecox: Karen is amazing.
• 1:03:10
  Carmen Hecox: I really love that Karen looks at each person as an individual and understands that we are all different and that what may work for you may not work for me.
• 1:03:22
  Carmen Hecox: I also appreciate that she uses science to help figure out what kind of warning signals the body could be sending us that something is wrong.
• 1:03:32
  Carmen Hecox: Understanding the science behind why the body is not responding to diet or exercise is essential, and Karen totally gets it.
• 1:03:42
  Carmen Hecox: Did I fail to mention she's an aerospace engineer as well?
• 1:03:46
  Carmen Hecox: Engineers are taught to look for possible fault codes when things are not working correctly.
• 1:03:53
  Carmen Hecox: Therefore, Karen's engineering training is the same approach she uses when working with people; she's looking at the whole body to figure out where's the fault code and what can be done to get your body working as it was intended to.
• 1:04:09
  Carmen Hecox: Karen is currently offering a free masterclass for those who are interested in knowing more about her and her program.
• 1:04:18
  Carmen Hecox: The link to Karen's masterclass and today's transcripts can be found at createthebestme.com/ep018.
• 1:04:31
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• 1:04:38
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• 1:04:42
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• 1:04:46
  Carmen Hecox: Until next time, keep dreaming big, take care of yourself, and remember, you are beautiful, strong, and capable of creating the best version of yourself.
• 1:04:58
  Carmen Hecox: Thank you for watching.