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- 0:00So Edwin, I hear this from HR leaders all the time: "My people just aren't
- 0:04motivated." And it's usually said like that's a permanent personality
- 0:08trait.
- 0:08You push back on that pretty hard,
- 0:10right?
- 0:10I do.
- 0:11When you say "they're not motivated," you've already given up.
- 0:14Motivation at work is mostly a system outcome.
- 0:17It's shaped by the environment,
- 0:19the role, the manager, the incentives.
- 0:22Not by whether someone was born pep-talk-ready.
- 0:22So instead of asking "what's
- 0:27wrong with this person," HR should be asking... "what in our system is making
- 0:31effort feel like a bad deal?"Exactly.
- 0:34And it helps to separate a few concepts that get blended together.
- 0:38In HR language: motivation is "I want to do this work and I'll invest
- 0:43effort." Engagement is "I'm mentally present,
- 0:46not checked out." Satisfaction is "I'm okay with the conditions-pay,
- 0:51workload, manager, environment."Right,
- 0:54and you can have weird combinations.
- 0:56Like someone who's satisfied but not motivated-steady,
- 0:59not rocking the boat, but not exactly pushing the needle.
- 0:59Or the opposite:
- 1:03highly motivated but dissatisfied.
- 1:05They perform, they care, and then they leave because pay,
- 1:08fairness, or growth don't line up.
- 1:10If HR doesn't separate those three,
- 1:13they run the wrong interventions and wonder why nothing changes.
- 1:13Let's
- 1:18anchor this in drivers.
- 1:19You talk about six core levers for workplace motivation-walk us through
- 1:22them in plain HR terms.
- 1:22Sure.
- 1:25First, Meaning: people understand why the work matters and who it helps.
- 1:31Second, Autonomy: they have real control over how they execute,
- 1:36within clear boundaries.
- 1:38Third, Mastery: they can build skills and see progress in their competence.
- 1:44Fourth, Fairness: pay, workload,
- 1:48opportunities feel equitable and predictable.
- 1:51Fifth, Belonging and safety: they can speak up,
- 1:56ask for help, admit mistakes without social punishment.
- 2:00And sixth, Clarity: expectations are explicit,
- 2:05priorities are stable enough to execute,
- 2:07and feedback is usable.
- 2:07So if I put my "former HRBP" hat on,
- 2:12that lines up pretty neatly with that Self‑Determination Theory idea-autonomy,
- 2:17competence, relatedness-just translated into everyday work language.
- 2:17That's
- 2:22right.
- 2:22Autonomy maps directly.
- 2:24Mastery ties to competence.
- 2:26Belonging and safety map to relatedness.
- 2:29The research is elegant, but leaders don't need the jargon.
- 2:32They need a checklist: where are we starving people of control,
- 2:36progress, fairness, or safety?
- 2:36Okay,
- 2:39but this is where HR gets stuck.
- 2:41They walk into a leadership meeting and someone says,
- 2:43"I feel like this team just isn't a good fit." That's pure vibes.
- 2:47How do we get out of diagnosing by vibes?
- 2:47You add structure.
- 2:52Two layers in particular.
- 2:53One: measure the drivers with short,
- 2:56repeatable questions-"I understand what's expected of me," "I have enough
- 3:00control over how I do my work," "I can raise concerns without negative
- 3:05consequences." Now you can see which levers are actually weak.
- 3:05And the
- 3:10second layer?
- 3:10Role fit.
- 3:12A lot of so‑called motivation problems are really misfit problems.
- 3:18The role demands behaviors the person finds draining,
- 3:22or the pace and ambiguity don't match their natural style.
- 3:25If you keep calling that a motivation issue,
- 3:28you'll coach forever and still be frustrated.
- 3:28So that's where something
- 3:31like OAD comes in-structured assessment,
- 3:34not horoscope‑style personality labels.
- 3:36You compare the role's requirements with a person's trait pattern and
- 3:39work motivations, and you can say,
- 3:41"this is a mismatch," versus "this is a solvable motivation issue."Exactly.
- 3:47Tools like OAD give you data on how someone prefers to work,
- 3:51what actually drives them, and how that lines up with the job.
- 3:55Then HR can choose the right lever: redesign the role,
- 3:59redeploy the person, or adjust how you manage them.
- 4:03You stop guessing based on who's loud,
- 4:06who's charming, or who's having a bad week.
- 4:06So step one for HR leaders
- 4:11is almost philosophical: stop labeling people as "motivated" or "not,"
- 4:15and start asking, "What did we design that makes sustained effort feel
- 4:19like a smart choice-or a stupid one?"Well put.
- 4:22Once you see motivation as a design problem,
- 4:25not a personality flaw, you finally have levers you can pull.
- 4:25Let's get
- 4:30into the levers.
- 4:31You draw a sharp line between intrinsic and extrinsic motivation.
- 4:35Can you define those in a way HR can actually use with managers?
- 4:35Sure.
- 4:39Intrinsic motivation is when the work itself pulls effort out of someone-because
- 4:44it hits meaning, learning, autonomy,
- 4:46mastery, pride.
- 4:47Extrinsic motivation is everything around the work-pay,
- 4:51bonuses, perks, status, praise,
- 4:54and also penalties.
- 4:54And they're not interchangeable.
- 4:58I hear leaders say, "We'll just add a bonus." But if the work is empty
- 5:02or chaotic, that doesn't magically create internal drive.
- 5:02Right.
- 5:07Intrinsic motivation sustains performance-especially under ambiguity
- 5:12and setbacks.
- 5:13Extrinsic motivation stabilizes behavior,
- 5:16signals fairness, and answers,
- 5:18"Is this worth it?" and "Is this fair?" You need both,
- 5:22but they do different jobs.
- 5:22Can we make that concrete by role?
- 5:26Like, what does intrinsic motivation look like for,
- 5:28say, an engineer versus a salesperson?
- 5:28For engineering,
- 5:32it's solving hard problems, building clean systems,
- 5:35having autonomy in implementation choices,
- 5:38and seeing their mastery progress over time.
- 5:41For sales, it's winning, refining their craft,
- 5:44learning what works in the field,
- 5:46and earning status through competence-being on the "closers" list
- 5:46because
- 5:50they're good, not just loud.
- 5:50What about customer support or ops?
- 5:55Those are the roles where leaders sometimes assume "motivation isn't
- 5:58really a thing."In support, intrinsic motivation is about helping someone,
- 6:03closing a loop, seeing a frustrated customer turn around-and improving
- 6:07systems so fewer people suffer next time.
- 6:09In operations, it's reducing chaos,
- 6:12increasing reliability, and watching metrics improve because of process
- 6:16changes they designed.
- 6:16Okay, now the extrinsic side.
- 6:20When does that go wrong?
- 6:22Because HR is often asked to "fix motivation" by tweaking comp plans
- 6:26or launching recognition programs.
- 6:26Extrinsic systems backfire when they
- 6:31reward the wrong metric-speed over quality,
- 6:34activity over real outcomes.
- 6:36Or when they feel unfair or opaque,
- 6:38so people assume favoritism.
- 6:40Or when they turn everything into a transaction: "I only do this if I'm
- 6:45paid extra," and you accidentally kill the meaning that was there.
- 6:45And
- 6:49the gaming behavior-optimizing the score instead of the mission.
- 6:49Exactly.
- 6:53You see that with sales comp, with ticket quotas,
- 6:57with "utilization" metrics.
- 6:58People learn the game you designed.
- 7:01They don't wake up and decide to be bad people; they respond to the system.
- 7:05So HR's first audit should be: What are we paying for?
- 7:09What are we praising?
- 7:11And where are we ignoring quality or long‑term impact?
- 7:11Flip side-when
- 7:15do extrinsic levers work well?
- 7:15When they're tied to outcomes people can
- 7:19actually influence.
- 7:21When rules are transparent enough to feel fair.
- 7:23And when there's a quality guardrail-"you don't get the reward if quality
- 7:28drops or if rework explodes." Also,
- 7:31when basic fairness is covered: competitive pay,
- 7:35sane workload, decent tools.
- 7:37If pay feels like a black box,
- 7:40motivation leaks out no matter how pretty the mission statement is.
- 7:40I'm
- 7:45thinking about alignment here.
- 7:46This is where OAD‑style insights can be powerful for HR.
- 7:49If you know a person's natural drivers and trait pattern,
- 7:52you can design incentives and growth paths that don't fight their psychology.
- 7:52Yes.
- 7:57For example, if assessment data says someone is naturally energized by
- 8:02complex problem‑solving and autonomy,
- 8:04but you park them in a tightly scripted,
- 8:06repetitive role, you'll forever chase them with bonuses and pep talks.
- 8:10Better to shift their role or their scope to match those drivers,
- 8:14and align rewards to the outcomes they care about.
- 8:14So HR can use something
- 8:19like OAD in three places: selection-"who is built for this role?";
- 8:19development-"what
- 8:25actually motivates this person?"; and incentives-"will this plan energize
- 8:29them, or just feel like pressure?"Exactly.
- 8:32Align the role, the extrinsic system,
- 8:35and the person's intrinsic drivers.
- 8:38When those three line up, motivation feels natural.
- 8:41When they fight each other, HR ends up running a permanent motivation
- 8:45repair shop.
- 8:45Alright, let's get operational.
- 8:48HR leaders listening are probably thinking,
- 8:50"What can I actually implement in the next 60 to 90 days?" Can we sketch
- 8:54a basic motivation playbook?
- 8:54We can.
- 8:57Start with a simple measurement stack.
- 8:59Monthly pulse surveys-5 to 8 questions,
- 9:03tops-focused on key drivers: motivation and energy,
- 9:07clarity, autonomy, psychological safety,
- 9:10growth, and maybe fairness of recognition or workload sustainability.
- 9:10So
- 9:15questions like, "I understand what's expected of me," "I have enough control
- 9:19over how I do my work," "I can raise concerns without negative consequences,"
- 9:24"I see opportunities to grow." Short,
- 9:26the same every month, so you can see trends.
- 9:26Exactly.
- 9:30Then, put that onto a very small motivation dashboard.
- 9:34Six to eight metrics max: those driver scores,
- 9:38plus a few outcomes-quality or rework rates,
- 9:41maybe cycle time, and retention or early voluntary turnover.
- 9:45The goal isn't a fancy cockpit; it's one page that answers,
- 9:50"What changed, and where do we need to act?"And you mentioned triangulation
- 9:54earlier.
- 9:54So if clarity scores drop and rework goes up,
- 9:57that's a pretty strong signal the system,
- 9:59not the people, is failing.
- 9:59Right.
- 10:02Survey data is perception, performance data is output.
- 10:06Together, they tell a story.
- 10:08If motivation and safety scores slide while output looks fine,
- 10:12you may be looking at quiet burnout or flight risk.
- 10:15Don't wait for the turnover spike to "confirm" it.
- 10:15Okay,
- 10:19let's walk through a 60-90 day pilot HR can run with one team.
- 10:22What's step one?
- 10:22Pick a pilot team that's big enough for signal and stable
- 10:26enough for a 2-3 month experiment.
- 10:28Then choose one or two drivers to target-clarity and autonomy are great
- 10:33starting points because they're very fixable at the manager and process
- 10:37level.
- 10:37So for clarity, you might lock weekly priorities-"these three things
- 10:41will not change this week"-and define what "good" looks like for key tasks.
- 10:46For autonomy, you spell out decision rights: who decides,
- 10:50who's consulted, who executes.
- 10:50Exactly.
- 10:53Add one lightweight ritual: a 15-20 minute weekly retro that asks,
- 10:58"What created friction this week?
- 11:01What blocked real progress?
- 11:02What one change will we try next week,
- 11:05and who owns it?" That's it.
- 11:07You're removing one blocker at a time.
- 11:07And HR's role in that pilot?
- 11:07Two
- 11:12things.
- 11:12First, set up the measurement: baseline pulse scores,
- 11:16baseline quality or rework metrics,
- 11:19maybe overtime or escalation rates.
- 11:21Then track those at 30, 60, 90 days.
- 11:24Second, partner with the manager using structured assessments and coaching
- 11:29basics.
- 11:29This is where OAD or a similar tool comes back in.
- 11:32You can look at role requirements and each person's profile and say,
- 11:36"Okay, who is in a role that constantly fights their natural drivers?"
- 11:40Then your interventions get more concrete: redeployments,
- 11:43scope adjustments, clearer expectations.
- 11:43Yes.
- 11:47Instead of telling the manager,
- 11:49"Motivate your low performers," you might say,
- 11:53"These two people look misaligned to the role's pace and ambiguity-let's
- 11:57explore a different seat for them.
- 11:59These three are a good fit but starved of clarity and recognition-let's
- 12:03fix that."And coaching basics are critical.
- 12:06Things like: ask before telling-"What options do you see?"; give specific,
- 12:12timely feedback-"Here's what I observed,
- 12:14here's the impact, here's what good looks like next time"; and follow
- 12:18up consistently so it feels safe,
- 12:20not like a random inspection.
- 12:20Exactly.
- 12:23When managers coach that way, they increase competence,
- 12:26autonomy, and trust at the same time.
- 12:28That's intrinsic motivation fuel.
- 12:31HR can reinforce it with simple habits-one specific recognition per
- 12:31manager
- 12:36per week, visible updates on "blockers we removed," and clear criteria
- 12:41for growth or internal moves.
- 12:41So if I summarize the 90‑day playbook for
- 12:46HR: define a tiny measurement stack,
- 12:48pick one pilot team, target one or two drivers,
- 12:51stabilize priorities and decision rights,
- 12:54add a light retro, and use structured assessments to separate misfit
- 12:58from motivation issues-and then coach and recognize in very concrete ways.
- 12:58That's
- 13:04it.
- 13:04No grand transformation program.
- 13:07Just disciplined experiments that change the system so motivation has
- 13:11somewhere to land.
- 13:11Edwin, this has been really grounding.
- 13:14I feel like we just took motivation from this fuzzy,
- 13:17emotional topic to something HR can actually design and measure in quarters,
- 13:21not years.
- 13:21That's the goal.
- 13:22When you treat motivation as an operating system,
- 13:25not a mood, you give HR and managers real power to improve it.
- 13:25Alright,
- 13:31we're gonna leave it there for today.
- 13:33For those listening: pick one team,
- 13:35one driver, one simple change,
- 13:38and start there.
- 13:39Edwin, thanks for walking us through this.
- 13:39Always a pleasure,
- 13:42Claire.
- 13:42And thanks to all of you for joining us.
- 13:45If you want to move from "diagnosing by vibes" to real data on role fit
- 13:50and work motivations, you can test OAD for free at OAD.
- 13:50ai and see how
- 13:55it separates motivation problems from misfit problems in your own teams.
- 13:59We'll be back with more on building systems that actually support people
- 14:03at work.
- 14:03Talk to you next time.