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This Poll On The Cardinals Has Fascinating Results · Kenny Wallace Media

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  What's up everybody? Charlie Marlow here talking some
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  Cardinals baseball. Very interesting tweet or
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  interesting poll I should say, from the great Bill James
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  yesterday. I'm going to put this poll up in
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  a second. If you don't know Bill James,
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  he's essentially the father of baseball analytics.
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  I remember reading Bill James, what's it called, Historical
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  baseball abstract Years ago, I think, I think 20 years ago
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  where he first started or he he started to write about the win
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  shares stat and win shares has now evolved where everybody
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  talks about war wins above replacement.
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  So Long story short, Bill James is kind of the guy when it comes
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  to baseball analytics. He basically started that and I
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  have to say I'm happy. Bill James actually follows me
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  on X and I follow him and I saw this, I saw this poll and it was
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  super interesting for two different reasons.
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  The question is very, very intriguing.
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  And then the results so far, you can't beat it.
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  So here's the question and I'll put up the I'll put up the tweet
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  here or the X. What do you call the post?
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  OK, Bill James online, he writes the Saint Louis Cardinals have
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  had winning seasons in 15 of the last 16 seasons.
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  Was 2023 A one off or the end of the end of the previous era in
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  their history? I don't know if that was a typo.
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  So essentially was 2023 or one off or is it the end of the
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  previous era in their history? What do you guys think about
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  that? And so by the way, this poll
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  still has another about 8 hours, 9 hours to go before the final
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  results. But when I clipped this off,
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  there was 2346 votes and it was exactly 5050.
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  Exactly 5050. How about that?
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  That it was just a bad year or the end of what they were
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  exactly 5050. I'm also wondering what the
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  results would be of that poll if it was just Saint Louis
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  Cardinals fans. Now I did retweet this and I
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  think a lot of other people did too, but you got to think Bill
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  James has a National Baseball audience and I would think the
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  results would be a little different there versus a
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  Cardinals audience. And then on XI think Cardinal
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  fans are pretty negative right now overall.
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  And I'm saying, hey, you're allowed to be.
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  But I just thought the fact that the questions very interesting.
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  The results so far are 5050 and I did vote in this and I think
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  it was just a bad year. I think the Cardinals ever since
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  I've been here, I got here in 2008.
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  Even the years they didn't make the play offs, they were always
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  above 500. So last year was the first year
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  since I've been here at the Cardinals were below 500 and it
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  got real bad. Let's be real 71 and 91.
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  It got real real bad. They sold off at the trade
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  deadline. They had a 4A roster in a in a
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  lot of cases at the end, which is fine.
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  Once. Once you once, you aren't trying
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  to win, just tank. I know it didn't work out with
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  the draft pick but their strategy was was right.
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  In my opinion, once you're bad, just be really bad.
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  Don't half ass it. So this brings me into another
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  another question and by the way comment, like subscribe, share
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  So how would you, how would you vote in that poll?
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  Is it just a bad year or the end of what they were?
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  And then here's the other part of this.
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  So I want to credit everybody who's who's giving me some of
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  this, some of these ideas here because as I'm, I'm scrolling X
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  yesterday I also saw a tweet from Benjamin Hockman.
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  And so this was a column from his from his post dispatch, you
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  know newspaper obviously, which I didn't read the column, Full
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  disclosure, but I thought his tweet was really interesting
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  also and it kind of spins into what I just what I just put up
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  there with Bill James. So here's the tweet from
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  Benjamin Hockman, columnist, Saint Louis Post Dispatch.
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  I hope the Cardinals understand that the problem wasn't just one
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  year. Yes, of course, last year was a
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  71 and 91 disaster. But it's been most of the past
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  nine years. 5 total playoff wins.
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  Games, not series, that is, and four years they didn't even make
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  the playoffs to begin with. As I've shouted from these pages
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  before, as have other writers on our staff, the esteemed
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  Cardinals are no longer on the forefront.
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  They can still put together winning seasons, sure, but the
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  word winning and quotes has changed its meaning around here.
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  A winning Cardinals team used to make it to at least the National
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  League Championship Series. Now a winning team is one that
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  snatches one of the six playoff spots regardless of post season
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  results. What do you think about that?
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  I agree with Benjamin Hockman. I agree with what Hockman said
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  right there. I do think since I moved here
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  and I can't really speak to pre 2008, I mean I've read about it.
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  I remember the teams, watched the teams talk to people who
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  cover the teams. I wasn't here for the vibes and
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  all that of 2004 and 2006. I did cover the 2006 World
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  Series a little bit because I was in Michigan at the time.
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  So I'm covering it from the Detroit Tigers standpoint, but I
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  can't speak to the vibes pre 2008.
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  I will say this, I agree with Benjamin Hochman that the
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  definition of winning, it seems like it has changed for the
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  Saint Louis Cardinals front office.
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  I don't think it's changed for the fan base, and I think that's
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  why the fans have been pissed off recently.
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  It wasn't just last year, it was before that, when it seemed like
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  the Cardinals were OK and settling for, hey, as long as we
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  get 3 million fans, we're pushing to make the playoffs,
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  we're pushing 90 wins, maybe we win the Central, maybe we get a
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  wild card. We'll see what happens.
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  We'll roll the dice. First round, playoff exit, OK,
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  that's a winning season. I do think it's fair to say that
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  the definition of winning from the Cardinals front office has
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  changed because when I got here 09, they're hot.
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  You run into Mannywood, what'd they call it?
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  Mannywood with the with the Dodgers?
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  The drop fly ball, of course, with Matt Holiday.
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  OK, go to 2011 though 2011 starts the real fantastic run
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  for the Saint Louis Cardinals where it was World Series NLCS
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  making it to the World Series NLCS.
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  Even 2015, the last year of that great run was 100 wins.
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  You ran into a Cubs team that was.
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  Look at that time the the Cardinals are going like this,
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  right? And the Cubs are going like
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  this. The hundred win, Cardinals like
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  this. The Cubs like this and boom,
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  Cubs win that series. Next year Cubs win the World
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  Series. But what do you what do you
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  think about everything I said and what do you think about the
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  bill James Pole. What do you think about Benjamin
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  Hockman's tweet? The pole's great, and I think
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  Ben's comments sum up how I feel also about the Cardinals.
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  And I think a lot of people in the fan base also feel about
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  this team because they were ticked off even before last year
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  about a let's push, let's not just settle to win what is often
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  one of the worst divisions in baseball.
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  Let's go higher, let's try to be elite.
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  On paper, of course, anything can happen when you get into the
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  play offs, anything can happen. We all know that.
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  I think sometimes, I think sometimes the Cardinals, you
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  know, they benefited from those great runs in 2006 and 2011
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  where they were not the favorite, but they got healthy,
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  they got right. Couple things went their way.
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  They played their best baseball at the end.
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  They won World Series. Those years to me are are more
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  of the outliers when I, when I look at baseball, yeah, can a
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  team like the Diamondbacks get hot at the end, get in, make it
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  to the World Series? Sure.
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  Look at the Rangers. The Rangers, the team that beat
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  them. Rangers spent a lot of money.
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  Then they added, also at the deadline, Jordan Montgomery even
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  moves like Chris Stratton, you know, a a solid reliever from
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  the Cardinals. But you know, they spent tons of
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  money on Marcus Simeon, on on Corey Seeger, so on and so
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  forth. Jacob the ground.
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  We didn't even freaking pitch for the team.
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  So look, there's a lot of ways to skin a cat.
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  The Cardinals, we know they're not a big market team.
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  They're spending about the same amount the last several years,
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  whatever the number is, you know, 1617180 with the with the
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  40, man, it gets close to 200. There's all different ways to
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  kind of look at that at the different websites.
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  But I think it's fair to say even when the Cardinals say
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  we've increased spending, it's barely.
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  It's barely. I did this yesterday on the
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  radio. I went and looked back and the
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  projected payroll for 24, and in the last several years it's
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  pretty much the same. It's pretty much the same if you
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  look at it, whatever that number is.
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  And again you can, you can make it look different based on the
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  26 man roster and the 40 man roster and what the roster
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  projection would be at the end of the year.
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  Clearly it's different last year because the Cardinals traded off
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  assets that were making money like Jack Flaherty, Jordan
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  Montgomery. But I think it's fair to say the
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  Cardinals have pretty much spent about the same amount of money
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  in the last 3-4 years or so, and if there's been an uptick, it's
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  been barely. And if that's the case, I I
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  don't even mention it. I I wouldn't say we're going to
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  spend more if all of a sudden they spend 2% more, because
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  that's not enough to even mention the Cardinal fans are
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  going to be ticked about that. But it seems like it's not just
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  seems it's true. Baseball has spent way more.
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  All these other teams are spending way more.
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  And the Cardinals are standing pat in terms of their payroll,
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  which is why if they used to be more kind of top third, ish in
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  payroll, if they were let's say 9th, 10th, 11th, whatever it
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  was, which I think is fair. But then you saw last year they
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  fell right to the middle. They were right in the middle
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  there right about 1516 in payroll as they've kind of spent
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  the same amount of money. But other teams are spending
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  more and more and more and we know, look, that doesn't mean
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  you're going to win. You saw the Mets.
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  You saw the Padres. That doesn't mean you're going
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  to win. Yankees didn't have a great
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  season last year. But I I think we can all look at
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  the Cardinals and say every once in a while, just a little
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  uptick. Just kind of go for it a little
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  bit. Just go for it a little bit and
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  see what happens. And put yourself on paper in a
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  better position to win a playoff series and make a deep run.
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  We all know it's not going to happen every year.
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  But on paper, Cardinal fans are smart.
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  Even when they lined up a couple years ago against the Phillies,
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  nobody liked that match up on paper.
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  Why is that? Because it was Zach Wheeler and
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  Aaron Nola versus Jose Quintana and Miles Michaels.
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  No disrespect to Quintana and Michaels, really solid,
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  dependable pitchers, but they're not the guys like a Wheeler and
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  a Nola who can just straight up shove and all of a sudden
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  they're going to go 6-7 innings, strike out nine to 11 guys on
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  paper. On paper, Cardinal fans would
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  like to see the team going into a playoff series and say, all
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  right, I feel, I feel good about the prospects of this team.
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  I think it's fair to say that in the last several years
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  everybody's like, all right, pretty good, 90 wins, one a week
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  Central. We'll see what happens.
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  We'll get in there. I've got a lot of comments here
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  on YouTube also and on X about A, it's not just last year and
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  that's what Ben Hockman talked about.
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  They're like, you know go back to the previous couple years, OK
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  and and give the Cardinals credit.
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  But Albert Pujols went buck wild the year, the year of of what of
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  obviously 2022 and just carried the team.
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  Now give the Cardinals all the respect in the world for
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  bringing Albert back and Albert for doing that.
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  But also you're talking about a team that was was around 500 and
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  again they're adding, they're adding of course Montgomery and
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  Kitana that year to get them over the top the previous year.
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  That's a 17 game-winning streak. Again, that's a team that around
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  500 or so. But give them credit.
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  They do add Jon Lester, they do add Jay 1/2.
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  Nobody was super excited about that.
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  Nobody really thought they were elite.
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  But they made a nice run. Seventeen wins, whatever it was
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  and you run into the the Dodgers and the one game playoff.
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  But but again on paper, nobody thought the Cardinals were going
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  to make that deep run. So I've talked long enough, I
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  think, what do you guys think about the the two things I
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  showed you the poll Is this just a bad year or the end of what
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  they were? And I guess definitions matter
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  because to me it was just a bad year.
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  But that being said, it wouldn't surprise me if the Cardinals
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  this year are just a little bit above 500.
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  You know, I I think the Cardinals, I don't know if I'm
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  ready to, even if I'm ready to say what I think the Cardinals
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  record wise is going to be. I think you have to see what the
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  division ends up doing. And also this balance schedule.
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  I was looking at the schedule the other day because a buddy of
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  mine just got a job as the assistant hitting coach with the
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  Cleveland Guardians. So I wanted to see when the
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  Cardinals were playing the Guardians, they are playing them
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  at at home at Busch Stadium in September.
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  But I started to look through the schedule.
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  It is a it's a whole different ball game now than back in the
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  day when you're playing the what do they play central teams 19
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  times. So I want to look at the
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  schedule. I want to see what the other
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  central teams do. I don't think the Cardinals are
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  going to be bad. I do think they're going to be
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  above 500. I don't know yet if I'm ready to
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  put a win total out there. A lot of this also has to do
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  with if they add at the trade deadline.
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  But I think, I think again even the definition of of of what the
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  Cardinals are, bad year, Goodyear, couple, couple winters
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  ago, last winter, we're saying we want more and now I'm saying
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  OK, the Cardinals might just be a 500 little bit above team.
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  I don't know, we'll see. Like I said, what do you guys
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  think win total right now if you had to, if you had to put it on
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  right now, I mean 85, are you pushing 90 yet?
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  Look, we have still two months, we have two, 2 1/2 months to
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  talk about all this. So once we get closer to the
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  season, we can do our projected wind totals and all that.
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  But I do think the expectations have dropped for the Cardinals.
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  So let me know. Bill James Paul and Ben
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  Hockman's tweet Agree. Disagree.
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  How would you vote? Thank y'all, Thank y'all.
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  those very much. I'm not going to lie.
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  Not a lot of views. I don't know if you just aren't
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  into it for what's going on. I think I have one more Daniel
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  Discalzo. I'll post, but yeah, hit me up.
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