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Gorgeous Coed FAKES KIDNAP to Avoid Admitting SHE WON’T GRADUATE ON TIME · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 2: A beautiful young Pennsylvania college co ed goes missing in
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Speaker 2: the middle of the night, or did she Take a
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Speaker 2: listen to our friends at KDKA.
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Speaker 3: State Police are investigating this young woman, Chloe Stein, who
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Speaker 3: has been missing since last night eleven PM. And I
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Speaker 3: just talked to her mother. As you can imagine, she
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Speaker 3: is just distraught, breaking down, just telling me she just
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Speaker 3: wants answers and right now state police are trying.
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Speaker 2: To do that.
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Speaker 3: They say they got a call this morning from Chloe's
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Speaker 3: boyfriend who said that he had communicated with her around
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Speaker 3: eleven PM last night, saying that she was being pulled over.
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Speaker 3: Her mom said something was wrong with her headlight, and
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Speaker 3: at that point the family never heard from her again.
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Speaker 2: Okay, just imagine this scenario. Your girl is at school
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Speaker 2: at college and suddenly you find out that she's on
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Speaker 2: the phone with the boyfriend claiming she's getting pulled over,
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Speaker 2: and then she's never heard from again. Now take a
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Speaker 2: listen to Jennifer Barrosso.
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Speaker 3: Twenty three years old, that is Chloe Stein's age. She
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Speaker 3: was set to graduate from penn State Greater Allegheny this weekend.
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Speaker 3: Her mother is desperate for answers. She tells me that
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Speaker 3: Chloe's boyfriend was the last person to communicate with her
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Speaker 3: via text, and it was her boyfriend and two friends
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Speaker 3: who found Chloe's car earlier today, not far from where
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Speaker 3: she worked. Here's the timeline that we know. Just after
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Speaker 3: ten pm last night, Chloe's mom tells me her daughter
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Speaker 3: finished working at the Sonic in Hempfield Township. She drove
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Speaker 3: a coworker home and returned back back to the Sonic Stay.
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Speaker 3: Police say Chloe was last seen leaving there at ten
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Speaker 3: thirty and about ten minutes later, her boyfriend, Nick, her
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Speaker 3: mom tells me, said he got a text message from
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Speaker 3: Chloe saying she got pulled over by police. Now, Chloe
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Speaker 3: never made it home to Janette's and that's when her mom,
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Speaker 3: family and friends started looking for her.
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Speaker 2: Can you imagine the terror this is striking in the
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Speaker 2: mom's heart. At eleven pm at night, the last thing
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Speaker 2: they hear is she's getting pulled over because of a
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Speaker 2: headlight problem, and then the boyfriend finds her car under
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Speaker 2: a bridge. Is that the way it played out? Joining
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Speaker 2: me right now, write it with a Tribune review in Greensboro, Pennsylvania,
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Speaker 2: and you can find her at TribLive dot com. Ranata
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Speaker 2: Signorini RANAA. Thank you for being with us. Tell me
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Speaker 2: about the night that this. She's really beautiful young girl,
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Speaker 2: Chloe Steine goes missing.
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Speaker 4: Thanks for having me, Nancy. That is pretty much how
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Speaker 4: it played out. State police were notified the following day
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Speaker 4: after Chloe's family and friends made every effort to try
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Speaker 4: to find her after spotting her car abandoned along kind
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Speaker 4: of a desolate road that would have been on her
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Speaker 4: way home from work. So she was reported missing the
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Speaker 4: following afternoon after her family and friends tried every effort
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Speaker 4: they could to find her. So then state police kind
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Speaker 4: of took over and they extended a lot of resources.
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Speaker 4: A helicopter, police dogs, they had area firefighters.
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Speaker 2: Oh, Carol, Lauren and haven't wait a minute, you said, helicopter,
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Speaker 2: police dogs, everybody coming out to find twenty three year
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Speaker 2: old Chloe Dine. All they've got is her car. Take
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Speaker 2: a list to our friends at kd KA, and we just.
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Speaker 5: Started calling police stations saying, like, did somebody pull her over?
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Speaker 5: This is her license plate number. Has anybody pulled anybody
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Speaker 5: in that description over her? And nothing? I don't know
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Speaker 5: if it was like she truly was pulled over by
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Speaker 5: a police officer or not. I don't know. We don't
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Speaker 5: know because we haven't don't have confirmation that she was
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Speaker 5: issued a citation, a warning, anything like that. Within a
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Speaker 5: matter of thirty minutes, her boyfriend had said he and
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Speaker 5: his friends were out and they had found her car.
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Speaker 3: Chloe's mom tells me inside her Volkswagen, her cell phone
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Speaker 3: was found, but not found her wallet or keys, her
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Speaker 3: mom tells me, and her car was pointed in the
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Speaker 3: direction of her home in Janette. Just a short time ago,
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Speaker 3: State police found Chloe Stein's vehicle on Roadaba Road under
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Speaker 3: Route sixty six in Greensburg. And right now I'm told
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Speaker 3: that her phone was found and police right now are
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Speaker 3: processing her car trying to figure out what happened. Her
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Speaker 3: mother just begging anyone if they have any information that
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Speaker 3: if they had seen her or saw her driving last night,
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Speaker 3: to call state police.
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Speaker 2: I find it interesting that they know her car was
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Speaker 2: turned toward in the direction of going home. I want
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Speaker 2: to go out to private investigator Bill Garcia, and you
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Speaker 2: can find them at Bill Garcia Investigative Services. You've done
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Speaker 2: so many searches. What are they looking for inside of
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Speaker 2: her car Well.
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Speaker 6: Any information that would lead them to anyone who may
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Speaker 6: have taken her, or information that would have shown what
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Speaker 6: actually occurred during that period.
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Speaker 2: Well, you know, I find it really interesting. Let me
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Speaker 2: go to doctor Nicole Vienna Forensic Psychologists. She's the CEO
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Speaker 2: of Vienna Psychological Group. Doctor Vienna, thank you for being
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Speaker 2: with us. It would suggest that she left against her will,
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Speaker 2: because who leaves their cell phone behind? Ever since I
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Speaker 2: stupidly gave my children their cell phone to early at
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Speaker 2: age twelve, they're not without it. It goes wherever they go.
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Speaker 7: Great.
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Speaker 8: I mean, she could have left it behind because she forgot,
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Speaker 8: she purposely left it there. There could be many reasons
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Speaker 8: why someone moves their stuff behind. She could have been scared.
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Speaker 2: We don't know to Matthew Mangino, joining US, high profile
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Speaker 2: lawyer out of this jurisdiction and former prosecutor, author of
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Speaker 2: the Executioner's Toll Crimes, arrests, trials, appeals, last words, and
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Speaker 2: final meals executions of forty six people in the US. Now,
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Speaker 2: criminals are so sophisticated they either cut off the phone,
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Speaker 2: they put it on airplane mode, or they leave their
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Speaker 2: own phone behind, as we saw in the Coburger case,
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Speaker 2: who is now prime suspect in the murders of four
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Speaker 2: Beautiful University, Idaho students. He has phone turned off during
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Speaker 2: the crime, and as he's leaving on a circuitous route
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Speaker 2: back to his place at Washington State University, he flipped
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Speaker 2: it back on and he can be traced. So people
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Speaker 2: perps either leave the phone behind, they turn it off,
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Speaker 2: they put it in airplane mode. That's a way of
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Speaker 2: tricking cops.
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Speaker 7: Well, right, Nancy, And I think in this situation, you know,
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Speaker 7: I would be concerned if I was investigating this but
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Speaker 7: the cell phone was left in the car. I'd also
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Speaker 7: be interested to see where the cell phone was. Was
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Speaker 7: it in the console or was it laying on the floor,
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Speaker 7: which would indicate to me that someone grabbed it out
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Speaker 7: of her hand and threw it into the vehicle. So
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Speaker 7: those are you know, issues that I would look at.
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Speaker 7: And obviously it's crucial in terms of time to investigate
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Speaker 7: this matter. We know that people who go missing, you know,
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Speaker 7: the most important period of time is right within the
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Speaker 7: twelve to twenty four hours after they disappear. So the
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Speaker 7: state police here have to work very quickly in this matter.
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Speaker 2: Well, and that is because within two to three days.
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Speaker 2: The victim is normally killed if they have not been
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Speaker 2: found or returned. So that's a very grim statistic. So
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Speaker 2: every minute counts, And I'm very curious back to We're
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Speaker 2: not a Signorini joining us on Tribune Review in Greensburg,
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Speaker 2: We're not again, thank you for being with us. She
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Speaker 2: absolutely was working at Sonic that night on her regular shift.
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Speaker 4: Correct, right, Yes she was.
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Speaker 2: And I assume that the local Sonic is covered in
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Speaker 2: security camps.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's in kind of a busy shopping area, and
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Speaker 4: I know that state police were out getting turbulence video
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Speaker 4: from probably that area and definitely from a train yard
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Speaker 4: that is kind of across the street from where her
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Speaker 4: car was found that night.
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Speaker 2: Wow, I didn't know that she was a train yard
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Speaker 2: the Sonic, and you would want to see in that.
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Speaker 2: Joining me is Trey Sargent with Search, Rescue and Recovery
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Speaker 2: expert podcast The Secrets Quest Trace. Thanks for being with us.
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Speaker 2: You'd want to get all of that to see who
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Speaker 2: if anyone in the parking lot may have followed her,
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Speaker 2: who she may have had words with as she was
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Speaker 2: waiting on them. I mean, isn't the Sonic the one
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Speaker 2: where you get curb service and they bring the food
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Speaker 2: out to your car.
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Speaker 9: Yes, Nancy, and I would say as law enforcement officials
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Speaker 9: and investigators in these kind of situations, it is a young,
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Speaker 9: beautiful woman that has vanished without a trace, and it's
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Speaker 9: always going to be approached from the standpoint that worst
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Speaker 9: case scenario, and that means was she abducted, was she
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Speaker 9: taken by force? Where is she? What's happened to her,
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Speaker 9: what is being done to her? All of those situations,
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Speaker 9: and as mentioned earlier, time is of the essence. This
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Speaker 9: is an urgent matter and it requires numerous resources to
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Speaker 9: respond as quickly as possible.
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Speaker 1: Time stories with Nancy Grease.
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Speaker 2: A twenty three year old Pennsylvania co ed disappears and
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Speaker 2: at first it was believed she vanished from the Sonic
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Speaker 2: restaurant where she works there in Hempfield about ten thirty
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Speaker 2: five PM on a Monday night. But then we learned
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Speaker 2: she texts her boyfriend that she was pulled over by
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Speaker 2: police driving a desolate stretch of road in the township
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Speaker 2: and then goes missing. Another question on that to Matthew Mangino,
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Speaker 2: high profile lawyer joining us out of the Pennsylvania jurisdiction
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Speaker 2: when cops pull over, isn't it true their vehicles are monitored,
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Speaker 2: you know, where a cruiser is practically at all times.
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Speaker 7: Well, you would, and he would also know, based on
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Speaker 7: you know, radio transmission, that that this officer has pulled
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Speaker 7: somebody over. He's going to call that into the to
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Speaker 7: the dispatch. You know, he's going to give a license
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Speaker 7: plate number of the vehicle that he thought to try
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Speaker 7: to get some initial information, you know. So so you know,
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Speaker 7: a stop by a police officer or the Pennsylvania State
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Speaker 7: Police is going to be documented. It doesn't happen without
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Speaker 7: anybody knowing about it. So that, you know, we've heard
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Speaker 7: earlier that the family had contacted local police departments to
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Speaker 7: determine if there had been someone pulled over, if for
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Speaker 7: license plate had been in some way recorded it, and
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Speaker 7: it was not. So that raises the concern that this
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Speaker 7: was not a legitimate traffic stop, that this was someone
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Speaker 7: with some nefarious purpose that pulled this young woman over.
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Speaker 2: So, in other words, someone that is faking being a cop.
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Speaker 2: All scenarios are on the table. The family beside themselves out,
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Speaker 2: searching themselves, begging on the airways on social media for help,
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Speaker 2: and then seemingly a miracle. Take a listen to Shelley Board.
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Speaker 10: According to initial reports, Stein was last seen leaving Sonic
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Speaker 10: in Hempfield Township at ten thirty Monday night. She texted
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Speaker 10: her boyfriend a short time later, stating she believed she
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Speaker 10: was being pulled over by police. Police say she wasn't
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Speaker 10: heard from again until she showed up at a neighbor's home.
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Speaker 11: Yeah, she was relief after being held gun point and
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Speaker 11: semi assaulted we'll call it, you know, and bound. So yeah,
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Speaker 11: then she was released and dropped off in near an
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Speaker 11: alleyway near her home, which, of course, of course that's
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Speaker 11: what somebody would do too.
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Speaker 2: We're not Signorini joining us some tributing review in Greensburg.
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Speaker 2: Thanks again, Nada for being with us. Where was it
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Speaker 2: exactly that she was found?
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Speaker 4: Was found at a neighbor's house around eight pm. She
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Speaker 4: had shown up there and claimed that she had been
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Speaker 4: adducted at a gunpoint until she showed up.
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Speaker 2: At a neighbor's house. Okay, I'm trying to decipher what's
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Speaker 2: happening right here. And we also learned that she was
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Speaker 2: bound and as the law enforcement said, simmy assaulted, bound
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Speaker 2: and simmy assaulted. Now I'm very, very curious about the
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Speaker 2: circumstances surrounding her disappearance. But first of all, to Bill Garcia,
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Speaker 2: a private investigator, it's a miracle that she's alive because
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Speaker 2: according to her, she is kidnapped, bound, assaulted, and then
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Speaker 2: dropped back off near her home. It has happened. That
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Speaker 2: has happened before, and people that doubted the victim ended
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Speaker 2: up getting sued big time. So the reality is that
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Speaker 2: has happened.
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Speaker 6: Unfortunately, without knowing what actually happened, law enforcement has to
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Speaker 6: pull out all the stops. Tremendous resources, tremendous amounts of
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Speaker 6: money are being.
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Speaker 7: Used.
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Speaker 2: Matthew Mangino joining us high profile lawyer. Out of this jurisdiction.
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Speaker 2: We are used to hearing the worst. That someone is
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Speaker 2: kidnapped and their body is found. That a young girl
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Speaker 2: goes missing as she's never seen again, years pass and
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Speaker 2: her remains are found by somebody hiking or jogging. It
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Speaker 2: does happen, and it's always deemed a miracle. But few
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Speaker 2: and far between kidnap victims are returned home. It does happen,
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Speaker 2: Isn't that true?
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Speaker 7: Yes, it does happen, and there are you know, stories
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Speaker 7: where that in fact has occurred, and the police have
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Speaker 7: to deal with the information that they're being provided. And
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Speaker 7: so now they find that this young woman is safe
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Speaker 7: and they're pleased. I'm sure that that's the case, and
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Speaker 7: she's explaining what happened, and they have a responsibility to
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Speaker 7: look into that further. That might be, you know, questioning
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Speaker 7: her in more detail, that might be trying to determine
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Speaker 7: if there's any additional witnesses that could corroborate what she's saying.
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Speaker 7: You know, at this point, though, I'm sure the Pennsylvania
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Speaker 7: State Police and the people in the Jeanette community are
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Speaker 7: very pleased that she's safe and that's the most important thing.
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Speaker 7: But what happened is the next question.
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Speaker 2: Well, they want to catch the purp, and I'm not
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Speaker 2: hearing any description of the perp. There is no composite
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Speaker 2: being drawn. I don't say the big albums being brought
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Speaker 2: out of people with prior sex offenses or criminal histories
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Speaker 2: at all being shown. Why is that? Well, this is
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Speaker 2: why I take a listening to our friend Andrew Havrannik WPXI.
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Speaker 12: Stay police say Chloe Stein was found here on Wiley Avenue,
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Speaker 12: the street where she and her family lives. That happened
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Speaker 12: after she showed up at a neighbor's house. Those neighbors
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Speaker 12: then called her mom and police, who determined this disappearance.
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Speaker 2: Was a hoax.
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Speaker 13: Learning more tonight about the alleged kidnapping hoax involving this
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Speaker 13: Westmoreland County woman, please tell us. When they questioned Chloe Stein,
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Speaker 13: she told them that she had been pulled over.
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Speaker 2: She said she was held at gunpoint and blindfolded.
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Speaker 13: They say that she even gave herself some minor injuries
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Speaker 13: to make it appear as though she had been abducted.
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Speaker 2: Our friends WPXI, okay to Renata Signorini, the whole thing
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Speaker 2: as a hoax. You've got helicopters, you've got canines, cadaver dogs,
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Speaker 2: sent dogs, volunteer surchers, cadets, law enforcement on foot out
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Speaker 2: there trying to find her, and it's all a big hoax.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think state police, and I know I was
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Speaker 4: pretty surprised to hear that that was the ultimate result
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Speaker 4: of what everyone was going through to try to find
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Speaker 4: her for many, many hours.
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Speaker 2: Guys, then we find out more. Take a listen to
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Speaker 2: our friends ay KDKA.
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Speaker 10: According to the criminal complaint, when police told Stein, her
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Speaker 10: account was inconsistent with their evidence. She cracked and admitted
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Speaker 10: to making up the entire story.
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Speaker 11: The way it was described to us is that the
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Speaker 11: garage is behind her house and that's where she was
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Speaker 11: for the majority of the duration.
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Speaker 2: What kind of mind does that require, doctor Vienna. The
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Speaker 2: whole time, the neighborhood's going berserk. It's all over the
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Speaker 2: airwaves and social media. Her mother is distraught, begging, crying,
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Speaker 2: pleading for help. Nobody can eat, nobody can sleep. She
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Speaker 2: is in basically the garage next door.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, it seems that people like for a variety of reasons,
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Speaker 8: you know, from maintenance of self esteem to full and
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Speaker 8: delusional ideations. And someone that really wants to preserve their
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Speaker 8: own sense of self and their their own self esteem,
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Speaker 8: someone with low self esteem might be doing something like that.
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Speaker 2: What is a sociopath?
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Speaker 8: So, and the sociopath could be a perpetual liar. There
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Speaker 8: is some evidence in research that we have about prolific liars,
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Speaker 8: and they do share traits of psychopathy or what some
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Speaker 8: in the media called the sociopaths. But they're manipulative and
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Speaker 8: they're they're exploitive of others, and that is commonly associated
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Speaker 8: with psychopathy.
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Speaker 2: Would you agree this could be indicative of a sociopathic
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Speaker 2: frame of mind.
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Speaker 8: It's possible, but it would take a lot of other
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Speaker 8: evidence to support that that we just have, like one
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Speaker 8: data point. But it's possible. They do have these traits
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Speaker 8: of perpetual.
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Speaker 2: Lying, okay, manipulation, lying, carrying on a double lot for
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Speaker 2: their own gang. What is a narcissist, doctor Vienna?
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Speaker 8: A narcissist is someone that has a very low sense
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Speaker 8: of self, but they project this image of a high
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Speaker 8: sense of self because they're trying to protect the person
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Speaker 8: who they are. They lack a lot of self esteem.
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Speaker 8: They also share traits with psychopathy, could be on the
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Speaker 8: far end of narcissism, right, So they also can lie
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Speaker 8: and deceive others for gain for their own gain.
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Speaker 2: Now, isn't a narcissism a narcissist named after the mythical
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Speaker 2: narcissist who fell in love with his own image and
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Speaker 2: ended up falling into water and dying as the ster
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Speaker 2: hit his own reflection. It isn't that correct?
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Speaker 4: That's correct.
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Speaker 2: I'm trying to figure out how that jives with your
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Speaker 2: theory that a narcissist has low self esteem, because in
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Speaker 2: my understanding. The textbook understanding of narcissism is excessive interest
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Speaker 2: in or admiration of one's self, selfishness, entitlement. That's what
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Speaker 2: I believe a narcisist is. Is that wrong?
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Speaker 8: No, that's that's correct. But they do have inverted low
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Speaker 8: self esteem. It's really a reflection of low self esteem,
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Speaker 8: but they project out to the world that they have that.
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Speaker 8: They're full of their own selves a sense of entitlement.
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Speaker 8: But they also lack empathy and they need this admiration,
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Speaker 8: but they need other objects to feed that for them.
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Speaker 8: It doesn't come internally for them.
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Speaker 2: And what would you describe as a histrionic personality.
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Speaker 8: Uh, histrionic personality is more somebody that has it. They're
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Speaker 8: commonly uh, dramatic, excitable, they're volatile, they're erratic. They do
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Speaker 8: share a lot of traits with someone with borderline personality
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Speaker 8: dis twitter as well, verys aduptive, charming.
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Speaker 2: And would be capable of a dramatic performance.
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Speaker 8: They are capable of that.
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Speaker 2: Yes, so just as a j D. Of course, I'm
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Speaker 2: not an MD or a psychologist, but I would feel
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Speaker 2: very confident and very good about describing Chloe Stein as
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Speaker 2: a narcissist. A sociopath and with a histrionic personality. All
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Speaker 2: that said, lying about where she was the entire time.
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Speaker 2: Wait till you hear the motive. Take a listen to this.
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Speaker 10: The theory for the fabrication. Lamani says Stein was at
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Speaker 10: the end of her rope. Her family and friends were
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Speaker 10: under the impression she was to graduate with a nursing
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Speaker 10: degree from Penn State University this weekend, but actually she
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Speaker 10: hadn't been enrolled in classes for the past year and
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Speaker 10: a half.
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Speaker 3: The police say, Chloe Stein, twenty three years old from
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Speaker 3: Jannatt made the whole story up. She wasn't pulled over,
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Speaker 3: she wasn't missing, and she wasn't in any danger. And
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Speaker 3: this was an apparent hoax police belief because she wasn't
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Speaker 3: graduating from college this weekend and just a short time ago.
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Speaker 3: Take a look at some video as police led Stein
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Speaker 3: in handcuffs out of the barracks here in Greensburg. She
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Speaker 3: didn't have anything to say to reporters.
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Speaker 11: The situation at college was a driving force, probably the
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Speaker 11: number one driving force for the whole scenario of the
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Speaker 11: fact that she hadn't been in college for almost two
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Speaker 11: years and that her circle had believed that she was
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Speaker 11: graduating in a matter of what two or three days.
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Speaker 8: Now state police want to know if anyone was helping climbs.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, did nobody know she was in their garage the
22:45
Speaker 2: whole time. You were hearing our friendsy KDKA, NWTAA just then,
22:51
Speaker 2: and now the big motive emerges. Well, you may not
22:56
Speaker 2: think that hiding that you're not going to graduate from college.
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Speaker 2: I think that's a motive. But I've seen other motives
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Speaker 2: that are even weaker, and I believe Bill Garcia and
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Speaker 2: Shrey Sargent are going to agree with me. Let's start
23:10
Speaker 2: on a case on which Bill Garcia worked diligently, round
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Speaker 2: the clock, blood, sweat and tears to find none other
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Speaker 2: than Sherry Peppini. Take listen to our friends at KDKA.
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Speaker 14: In November of twenty sixteen, Sherry Peppini vanished for twenty
23:28
Speaker 14: two days. Then on Thanksgiving morning, she materialized on a
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Speaker 14: highway nearly one hundred and fifty miles from home, a
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Speaker 14: trucker stopping and calling nine one one for her. That
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Speaker 14: call heard for the first time this morning. What's hurting
23:44
Speaker 14: You're chained up? She's chained up, she told authority she'd
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Speaker 14: been kidnapped by two Hispanic women. She claimed the women
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Speaker 14: had beaten her, burned, or even branded her on her
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Speaker 14: should or those injuries shown in these images obtained by
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Speaker 14: ABC News Police. Chase leads her Redding community in terror
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Speaker 14: of traffickers that never existed.
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Speaker 15: Now, the parsonomic sense are that you're accusing two females
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Speaker 15: to abducted you, Williams James, so part of that you
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Speaker 15: were branded James did.
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Speaker 2: Much like the Erry Peppini case. In this case with
24:24
Speaker 2: Chloe Dye, Chloe Steyne claims that she was bound and
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Speaker 2: quote semi assaulted like Cherry Peppini claimed that she was beaten, starved,
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Speaker 2: and actually branded. Now to pessial guests joining us Bill Garcia,
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Speaker 2: private investigator at Bill Garcia Investigative Services, Bill, Cherry Peppini
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Speaker 2: even went so far as to brand herself with a
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Speaker 2: hot object. Do you remember that?
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Speaker 6: I do? And that's quite an extreme for someone to take.
24:59
Speaker 6: But as your story, you're made up, story perpetuates, you're
25:04
Speaker 6: more inclined to try to make it more believable by
25:08
Speaker 6: adding these elements like being chained, like being branded. These
25:13
Speaker 6: are all things that you can pick up off of
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Speaker 6: social media and the news as far as previous cases
25:19
Speaker 6: that were legitimate.
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Speaker 2: You know, Matthew Mangino, a high profile lawyer joining us
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Speaker 2: out of Chloe Stein's jurisdiction of Pennsylvania. The liar, the hoaxer,
25:30
Speaker 2: gives no thought whatsoever to the people suffering because of
25:34
Speaker 2: their hopes, like their family, like police who are working
25:38
Speaker 2: overtime and missing their children's birthdays and the weekends and
25:41
Speaker 2: special dinners, but also putting blame, casting blame on someone
25:48
Speaker 2: else because you know, in Stein's place, in Stein's case,
25:52
Speaker 2: the first thing cop did is look at the boyfriend.
25:55
Speaker 2: Then they started looking at cops. You may have pulled
25:57
Speaker 2: her over what and raped her and murdered her. Other
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Speaker 2: people were under the umbrella of suspicion. Matthew, Well, right,
26:05
Speaker 2: they were.
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Speaker 7: And as you said, you know, you have this police
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Speaker 7: presence because you believe this woman has has just been abducted.
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Speaker 8: Uh.
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Speaker 7: You know, you have helicopters in the air, which you
26:18
Speaker 7: know is very dangerous. You have police going uh door
26:21
Speaker 7: to door I'm sure canvassing neighborhoods in the area. So
26:25
Speaker 7: these issues all you know, have an impact and are
26:28
Speaker 7: potentially dangerous for for first responders and police officers and others.
26:35
Speaker 7: So she put a lot of people in danger. She
26:38
Speaker 7: put her family through anguish with no regard for their
26:42
Speaker 7: feelings or how they would react to this whole situation.
26:45
Speaker 7: It's a very selfish, self centered act.
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Speaker 2: Match to Bill Garthia, probably investigator who worked on the
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Speaker 2: Puppinie case. Bill, to what length did you go to
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Speaker 2: try and find Sherry Pepine for her family?
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Speaker 6: Well, we started at the origin and search that area
27:09
Speaker 6: behind law enforcement because sometimes clues and evidence is passed
27:15
Speaker 6: over as they searched, So we started there. We started
27:21
Speaker 6: taking a look at history of other people that had
27:23
Speaker 6: gone missing in the area and just kind of the
27:26
Speaker 6: air of what is happening in those particular communities. There
27:31
Speaker 6: had been a young lady that had disappeared from the
27:35
Speaker 6: same neighborhood some years ago. Her body was never found,
27:40
Speaker 6: and there was a suspect in that particular abduction.
27:44
Speaker 2: So Pipini lays behind, left behind her during her big hope,
27:48
Speaker 2: her husband and what two children correct, And of course
27:53
Speaker 2: suspicion goes on the husband like it always does because
27:57
Speaker 2: typically they did it. So the husband is under suspicions
28:00
Speaker 2: and then neatly folded up, we find Cherry Peppenie's phone,
28:05
Speaker 2: her earbuds wrapped up very neatly, sitting somewhere. It would
28:10
Speaker 2: be found with her hair in it, as if her
28:13
Speaker 2: hair had been yanked out of her head when the
28:16
Speaker 2: perp kidnapped her. And speaking of hair, that brings me
28:22
Speaker 2: brings to my mind the case of Jennifer Wilbanks. But
28:25
Speaker 2: before I get to the Runaway Bride Jennifer Wilbanks, take
28:29
Speaker 2: a listen to our cut nineteen again our friend Matt
28:34
Speaker 2: Gubban at ABC.
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Speaker 14: It wasn't until more than three years later that trace
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Speaker 14: DNA found on Peppini led to this mystery man ex
28:42
Speaker 14: boyfriend James Reyes, who admitted he helped Peppini inflict those
28:46
Speaker 14: injuries on herself.
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Speaker 15: So there's a brand on her. Yeah, there's significant bruising,
28:53
Speaker 15: and she did.
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Speaker 16: Thought she was here. I mean, she just hit herself
28:57
Speaker 16: with something I altered. I mean I didn't pinch her
28:59
Speaker 16: anything helps you just for shot the fuck Ulture Lady.
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Speaker 1: Time Stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 15: So there's a brand on on her. Yeah, there's significant bruising,
29:22
Speaker 15: and she did.
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Speaker 16: At that whist she was here. I mean, she just
29:26
Speaker 16: hit herself with something held her. I mean, I didn't
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Speaker 16: find her anything helps you just for shot a fuck
29:30
Speaker 16: ulture lady.
29:31
Speaker 9: So she.
29:34
Speaker 2: Manipulates, which goes back to sociopath and narcissistic and historyonic.
29:40
Speaker 2: Manipulates an old boyfriend into hiding her out in his
29:44
Speaker 2: place for this period of time, and she beats herself,
29:48
Speaker 2: starts herself, and even brands herself to carry out her fib.
29:56
Speaker 2: You know, uh, there is a story that I read
29:59
Speaker 2: to children. They were little veggie tails and it's called
30:03
Speaker 2: I Think Larry in the FIB, and the FIB wants
30:07
Speaker 2: you tell the lie. Then you have to keep it going,
30:10
Speaker 2: and you have to remember the line. You have to
30:12
Speaker 2: make up more details to make the lie believable, and
30:15
Speaker 2: go on and on and until finally it all just
30:18
Speaker 2: blows up. And the only way to beat this big lie,
30:23
Speaker 2: this goliath of a lie that's taken over your life,
30:26
Speaker 2: is to pierce it with the truth and just tell
30:29
Speaker 2: the truth. I cannot believe that this girl, she kind
30:33
Speaker 2: of reminds me Matthew Mangino of tottenmham Casey Anthony. You
30:37
Speaker 2: remember she faked working at Universal for years, two or
30:41
Speaker 2: three years. She even had her uniform and her id.
30:45
Speaker 2: She tried to tell the cops that she worked there.
30:47
Speaker 2: They took her all the way there through security to
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Speaker 2: the building where she says she worked, into the building,
30:52
Speaker 2: and finally she said, okay, you got me out. Lied.
30:54
Speaker 2: She'd been carrying on that hoax for years to her
30:57
Speaker 2: parents so she could get free babysitting out of them
31:01
Speaker 2: while she went in Gallivana claiming she was at work
31:04
Speaker 2: and they would take care of baby Kelly, that is
31:07
Speaker 2: until she murdered Kelly. So this is a very extended lie.
31:12
Speaker 2: These people are keeping up. And we see the same
31:14
Speaker 2: thing with Chloe's Tyne. She had not been in school
31:17
Speaker 2: for years and was telling the lie and uh oh
31:20
Speaker 2: did she not know graduate she was gonna happen?
31:22
Speaker 9: Right?
31:23
Speaker 7: And inevitably, you know, the lies get revealed, you know lies,
31:28
Speaker 7: you know breed more lies, and ultimately you're going to
31:33
Speaker 7: be called on it someday. And you know, some people
31:35
Speaker 7: act in very extreme circumstances. I remember the case last
31:39
Speaker 7: year of Chandler Halderson, who told who was living with
31:42
Speaker 7: his parents and told him he had a job at SpaceX,
31:45
Speaker 7: and when that fell through, he murdered his parents. I
31:48
Speaker 7: burned her bodies in the fireplace. So I mean some
31:51
Speaker 7: people will go to extreme lengths to try to cover
31:54
Speaker 7: up a lie. And this is just one example.
31:56
Speaker 2: I mean all because you're not graduating. And did you
32:01
Speaker 2: hear the former boyfriend saying, Okay, I let her hide
32:05
Speaker 2: out here, but I didn't beat her. They're looking now
32:08
Speaker 2: for who hid out Chloe Stein What she just sat
32:12
Speaker 2: in the dark in a garage all that time and
32:15
Speaker 2: the owners didn't know she was there. You know too,
32:18
Speaker 2: we're not a signorini joining US Tribune Review in Greensburg.
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Speaker 2: I wonder how many how much money was spent trying
32:24
Speaker 2: to find this college co ed Chloe Steine.
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Speaker 4: Stay police told me it probably costs tens of thousands
32:31
Speaker 4: of dollars, as far as the helicopter they had out, firefighters,
32:36
Speaker 4: time spent coming through the woods, police dogs, and so
32:40
Speaker 4: the state police said they're going to possibly try to
32:42
Speaker 4: seek restitution for that.
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Speaker 2: I have been on many searches before, as have you, Tracy, Sergeant.
32:49
Speaker 2: And if I thought I spent the whole day digging
32:52
Speaker 2: through the woods and the briars and the brambles and
32:56
Speaker 2: the trees, and then find out miss thing had lies
33:00
Speaker 2: so he our parents wouldn't find out she wasn't graduating
33:03
Speaker 2: from college? Are you kidding me? All these cops, all
33:06
Speaker 2: these firefighters, the helicopter, the dogs, the work dragging them
33:10
Speaker 2: through all that while she's having a subway sandwich right
33:15
Speaker 2: behind her parents' house. You know when I said hair
33:20
Speaker 2: in the Sheery Peppinie case caught in her earbuds to
33:25
Speaker 2: make it look like somebody snapped them out of her
33:28
Speaker 2: ears when they kidnapped her. Remember Chery Peppinie hold on
33:36
Speaker 2: to Bill Garcia actually blamed Hispanic women. She even drew
33:42
Speaker 2: a composite of them, isn't that right, Bill Garcia?
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Speaker 6: That's true. She was trying to deflect away from what
33:50
Speaker 6: was actually occurring and blamed a community or a culture
33:56
Speaker 6: that could have been as the abductors. And fortunately that
34:03
Speaker 6: was not case. We were actually following up on the
34:08
Speaker 6: lead where two women that looked just like the composite
34:15
Speaker 6: was the center of our investigation there towards the end
34:19
Speaker 6: before she finally admitted what had happened. So this put
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Speaker 6: an entire community on edge and in danger in summers.
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Speaker 2: Just think if you had gotten those two women arrested,
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Speaker 2: Bill Garcia. Oh, there's a big fat fault, arrest lawsuit,
34:34
Speaker 2: but Tracy Sargent worked on another case where the missing
34:39
Speaker 2: woman's hair led her on a wild goose chain chas.
34:44
Speaker 2: Does anybody remember the name Jennifer Wilbanks, because I will
34:47
Speaker 2: never forget it. Let's hear our cut twenty six, twenty seven.
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Speaker 9: I don't reckon name one. I ency.
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Speaker 4: That's the way I am.
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Speaker 14: Go on street at the live it was going on.
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Speaker 10: I've got my family and that sweet on the phone
35:04
Speaker 10: I was this week and uniful I was to get
35:10
Speaker 10: out from my from Atlanta, Georgia.
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Speaker 14: I don't know about my hands that it's been on
35:16
Speaker 14: the knees, I don't know.
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Speaker 6: And who did this cue?
35:19
Speaker 8: I don't know any strop you off right now?
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Speaker 2: No, I need to know.
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Speaker 10: How long because it was they hadn't got me off
35:27
Speaker 10: here away from me here back on the seventh street.
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Speaker 2: I mean, I can show well the whole.
35:33
Speaker 14: Know that I don't know where I am.
35:34
Speaker 9: Okay, And the person who that did this to you
35:38
Speaker 9: was the heat.
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Speaker 14: It was a man in a street and woman.
35:45
Speaker 8: And it happened happened in the loot oh no, the.
35:50
Speaker 2: So called runway. Brad she stopped there. She gave a
35:53
Speaker 2: full on description of her attackers. Take us knock twenty eight.
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Speaker 9: Ho, I sai the I mean, I would say in
36:01
Speaker 9: her forties.
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Speaker 14: Maybe it was a medium bill.
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Speaker 2: I do have flag?
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Speaker 10: Was it longer?
36:08
Speaker 2: Short? Short?
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Speaker 9: Did you have any facial hair?
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Speaker 11: No?
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Speaker 8: The colors for Katackie, what you were?
36:12
Speaker 9: I want to I saw him.
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Speaker 5: He had on a Marion jack and I don't know
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Speaker 5: what color.
36:16
Speaker 14: Sure remembers what color his hands.
36:20
Speaker 8: And looking.
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Speaker 9: It was a boy's van, like a work band.
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Speaker 2: Was it a Convergian banner?
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Speaker 9: Anian?
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Speaker 2: It wasn't a meeting.
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Speaker 6: It was like a like a pain like a painter
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Speaker 6: work band.
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Speaker 14: Direction did they leave in? I don't?
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Speaker 9: I have no idea.
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Speaker 2: I know where I am? Oh? My start?
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Speaker 9: Boy?
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Speaker 2: Did she lie? I mean she had those answers ready.
36:44
Speaker 2: But in the end, this is what we learned. Take
36:46
Speaker 2: a listen to our twenty nine WSD and it.
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Speaker 17: Turns out that entire story was fabricated. Will Banks told
36:52
Speaker 17: investigators she didn't realize her disappearance had caused such a
36:55
Speaker 17: nationwide fere This afternoon, she issued a statement that was read.
36:59
Speaker 18: By an off I respect the fact that that the
37:02
Speaker 18: public deserves a statement. She's requesting that she would like
37:07
Speaker 18: to speak to her family. First, I appreciate the outpouring
37:10
Speaker 18: of prayers and concern and that she has recently become.
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Speaker 2: Aware of Okay, Tracy Sargus Search Rescue Recovery Expert podcast
37:19
Speaker 2: The Hit The Seekers Quest. Tracy, tell me about the hair.
37:25
Speaker 2: First of all, you were kept secret. They didn't let
37:27
Speaker 2: it be known that you were there with your CA
37:29
Speaker 2: nine dogs, and then you found some hair. Tell me
37:33
Speaker 2: what happened, well.
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Speaker 9: What actually happened. And I was called into this case.
37:38
Speaker 9: Of course, it was very high profile here in Georgia,
37:41
Speaker 9: and I think it's important for listeners to know. When
37:44
Speaker 9: we compare Miss Stein's case, she was missing only for
37:46
Speaker 9: a few hours, whereas Miss Pilbanks the Runaway Ride was
37:50
Speaker 9: missing for days. So it was an extremely stressful, high
37:56
Speaker 9: intense search for this beautiful woman by all of you.
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Speaker 9: Apearances look like she had truly been inducted. She was
38:03
Speaker 9: known to go jogging for exercise, and in this time situation,
38:08
Speaker 9: she went jogging and she didn't return home. She was
38:12
Speaker 9: known as the runaway Bride because she was about to
38:14
Speaker 9: get married. Her fiance calls and reports her missing. So
38:18
Speaker 9: that's how all that culminated. When I was brought in.
38:21
Speaker 9: They did find some hair. What was not known at
38:25
Speaker 9: the time that hair was actually being analyzed via a
38:28
Speaker 9: lab for the analysis to compare that hair they found
38:33
Speaker 9: to hair that they obtained at her home. When they
38:37
Speaker 9: found that these weren't comfortable hair samples, they said, all right,
38:42
Speaker 9: we have a situation here that we need to figure
38:45
Speaker 9: out what happened. We're going to bring in K nine resources.
38:48
Speaker 9: So I was actually hid in a business facility until
38:52
Speaker 9: that lab analysis was done, so we would have quote
38:56
Speaker 9: a good starting point for tracking supposedly her tracks. So
39:02
Speaker 9: that's what we did. We started where the hair was found.
39:05
Speaker 9: The dog did track some distance, and then it stopped
39:09
Speaker 9: at the roadway I had infeigned officials at that time
39:13
Speaker 9: the track has ended here. My all appearances, it looks
39:18
Speaker 9: like our missing person has been placed in a vehicle,
39:22
Speaker 9: either with or with her consent or without her consent.
39:26
Speaker 9: And then ultimately the following day or two, that's when
39:31
Speaker 9: miss Willbanks called and made that nine to one one
39:34
Speaker 9: report and she was actually found one hundreds of miles
39:37
Speaker 9: away in New Mexico. So, referring back to all.
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Speaker 2: The no, Tracy and and I've worked together for a
39:45
Speaker 2: really long time, But I've never asked you this, How
39:49
Speaker 2: did that make you feel? After you go out full
39:53
Speaker 2: of concern, angst, worry, you bring out your dogs and
39:59
Speaker 2: you search, you give it your all, and then you
40:01
Speaker 2: find out it's all just a big lie.
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Speaker 9: Well, Nancy, you know, that's a really good question, and
40:08
Speaker 9: in some ways it was frustrating. But more importantly, what
40:12
Speaker 9: I found more disturbing is that Miss will Banks and
40:17
Speaker 9: Miss Stein and other women like these females that do
40:22
Speaker 9: these things actually make it worse for other females that
40:27
Speaker 9: when these things actually do happen to them.
40:29
Speaker 2: Exactly my same exact sentiment, how will this affect real
40:34
Speaker 2: crime victims that have endured hell and a jury could
40:39
Speaker 2: be led to believe she's just a gone girl, it's
40:42
Speaker 2: all a big fake. Well, right now, twenty three year
40:46
Speaker 2: old Chloe Stein is not graduating. I think we know that,
40:50
Speaker 2: but she's also facing a flute of charges we wait
40:55
Speaker 2: as just as unfold. Goodbye, friends,