Latest / Motivational Podcast / Master Your Emotions, Mind, and Memories – Insights from Neuroscientist Moran Cerf
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- 0:02Speaker 1: Dreams are fascinating humans from the dawn of time. We
- 0:05Speaker 1: all think they mean something, and we all think that
- 0:07Speaker 1: the meaning is critical to our existence in the awake world.
- 0:13Speaker 1: Dreams are meaningful for awake life independently.
- 0:18Speaker 2: Of the story that we explain when we are asleep.
- 0:20Speaker 1: And you know, psychologists have built theories and disciplines on
- 0:26Speaker 1: interpreting dreams. You wake up in the morning, they tell
- 0:28Speaker 1: your story, and they try to tell you what it means. However,
- 0:31Speaker 1: up to I would say the last fifteen years, we
- 0:35Speaker 1: didn't have access to dreams. We had access to the
- 0:37Speaker 1: stories people tell about dream when they wake up. Come neuroscience,
- 0:41Speaker 1: and neuroscience allows us now to look into your dreams directly,
- 0:44Speaker 1: So we don't need you to wake up and tell
- 0:45Speaker 1: us the story. We can look into your brain while
- 0:49Speaker 1: you're sleeping and decode in a very crude way, not
- 0:52Speaker 1: as impressive as it may seem right away, but in
- 0:55Speaker 1: a way that already is improving day to day. Look
- 0:58Speaker 1: at your dreams now. When we can do that, we
- 1:01Speaker 1: can start answering basic questions like our dreams, similar to
- 1:05Speaker 1: the stories that will break up. Answers sometimes not always
- 1:09Speaker 1: do A dream time aligned with real time terms out
- 1:14Speaker 1: it is like five minutes in a dream or five
- 1:16Speaker 1: minutes in the real world.
- 1:18Speaker 2: Can you solve problems in dream? Yes? Can you be
- 1:21Speaker 2: more creative?
- 1:21Speaker 1: We start answering questions that are kind of really interesting,
- 1:25Speaker 1: and also we're starting to realize what's the function of dream?
- 1:29Speaker 2: Why do we have to begin with? What do they
- 1:31Speaker 2: give us? What can we do with our And in
- 1:33Speaker 2: that sense, one of the things we learned is that
- 1:35Speaker 2: dreams are partly our brains.
- 1:39Speaker 1: Weiy of simulating things we desire and seeing how they
- 1:44Speaker 1: actually feel.
- 1:47Speaker 2: And nicely amount a dream is.
- 1:49Speaker 1: That it simulates the olity as really gets for the
- 1:52Speaker 1: time of the dream.
- 1:53Speaker 2: For the period of dream, you think it's reality. You
- 1:55Speaker 2: don't say, oh, it's a virtuality. I can take the goggles.
- 1:57Speaker 2: Often it's going to be over. You actually think it's
- 1:59Speaker 2: going through.
- 2:01Speaker 1: As it is, and so it filters to your emotions
- 2:05Speaker 1: and you actually get a visceral experience of that. So
- 2:07Speaker 1: when you wake up you might not remember anything about
- 2:09Speaker 1: the dream, but the emotion about the experience are still there.
- 2:12Speaker 1: And then when you have your wife and you say,
- 2:14Speaker 1: you know what, I don't think we should do that.
- 2:16Speaker 1: I feel that we want to enjoy it. It's going
- 2:18Speaker 1: to hurt our leadership. You don't know why you have
- 2:20Speaker 1: a feeling. You call it a decision that's based on something,
- 2:23Speaker 1: but actually your dreams allowed you to simulate that in
- 2:26Speaker 1: the ultimately.
- 2:27Speaker 2: Our experience and learn something from that. We can also
- 2:33Speaker 2: now start directing them.
- 2:36Speaker 1: So not just reading your dream and saying, Okay, this
- 2:38Speaker 1: is what your dream was, let's talk about it. You
- 2:40Speaker 1: can even go to sleep and say, I really want
- 2:42Speaker 1: to dream of Oklahoma.
- 2:43Speaker 2: Can you help me?
- 2:44Speaker 1: Can you stimulate the right part of my brain or
- 2:47Speaker 1: give me the right kind of cues so.
- 2:51Speaker 2: That my dream will take ta Kahoma so that tomorrow
- 2:53Speaker 2: morning I will have a club because I really don't know.
- 2:55Speaker 2: And that's a step kind.
- 2:57Speaker 1: Of forward, which is we don't just think of dreams
- 3:00Speaker 1: or something that happens to us, but we start taking
- 3:02Speaker 1: the rains and we say, okay, we need a dream
- 3:05Speaker 1: for something, but we're gonna be the.
- 3:08Speaker 2: Person in the driver's seat. Okay. So dreams are.
- 3:17Speaker 1: Moments where while dreaming, your consciousness wakes up, as in
- 3:23Speaker 1: you're aware of the fact that you're dreaming, but you
- 3:26Speaker 1: don't wake up. You're in a dream, but you're fully
- 3:30Speaker 1: aware of that experience, and you say, Okay, I'm dreaming
- 3:34Speaker 1: and I'm also the director, so I can do what
- 3:37Speaker 1: I want. And I think the majority of people what
- 3:40Speaker 1: we know from dream reporting or doing is immediately open
- 3:46Speaker 1: the window and they start flying out because it's a
- 3:52Speaker 1: movie that you're the main actor. That's what let's dreaming. Ah,
- 3:58Speaker 1: there's a lot of benefits to them. It turns out
- 4:01Speaker 1: that you can both enjoy the entering part of that,
- 4:04Speaker 1: but you can also use that to say eliminated trauma.
- 4:07Speaker 1: So let's say in your dreams, you keep going back
- 4:09Speaker 1: to the explosion in the tank and you can't get
- 4:11Speaker 1: away from it. Either wake up in sweaty problems and
- 4:15Speaker 1: like heart rate, or you just lived.
- 4:19Speaker 2: For a nightmare.
- 4:20Speaker 1: Now we can say, okay, we're gonna bring it to
- 4:22Speaker 1: the situation, but for the first time, you can fix
- 4:24Speaker 1: it in your dream.
- 4:24Speaker 2: You can actually save your friend who's burning tank.
- 4:27Speaker 1: Or you can actually call help, like you can do
- 4:29Speaker 1: things and suddenly this allows you to really navigate the
- 4:32Speaker 1: station differently, which helps your brain see things different.
- 4:36Speaker 2: Maybe you're injured. Now you're not injured.
- 4:37Speaker 1: You can actually now walk on two legs where you
- 4:39Speaker 1: cannot do in the real world, it becomes it's real.
- 4:43Speaker 1: So in many ways it's a short.
- 4:46Speaker 2: Lived experience, but it's.
- 4:49Speaker 1: It feels real to you, like you feel like you're
- 4:51Speaker 1: actually walking. If if you're in a wheelchair and you
- 4:53Speaker 1: can never walk again, suddenly you can run, that is
- 4:56Speaker 1: a moment of joy that's worth everything. I'm a professor
- 5:03Speaker 1: of neuroscience and business. I spent my time studying the
- 5:07Speaker 1: brain and helping companies implement knowledge of the brain to
- 5:12Speaker 1: make better decisions in the day to day experiences.
- 5:16Speaker 2: I was born in France, I was.
- 5:18Speaker 1: Raised in Israel, and I now spent a third of
- 5:22Speaker 1: my life in the US. I guess what I'm known for,
- 5:27Speaker 1: regardless of anything I would do as a neuroscientist, is
- 5:29Speaker 1: the fact that I spent a decade of.
- 5:31Speaker 2: My life as a computer hacker.
- 5:33Speaker 1: I think as a young kid, I was probably not
- 5:36Speaker 1: different than many others in that I was puzzled by
- 5:39Speaker 1: the big mysteries of life.
- 5:41Speaker 2: I just didn't know that science can answer them. So
- 5:43Speaker 2: I was asking questions I think.
- 5:45Speaker 1: Like every kid asks when they're about ten years old,
- 5:47Speaker 1: next to a bonfire, How did.
- 5:51Speaker 2: The world begin? Other aliens?
- 5:54Speaker 1: What happens when we fall asleep and we wander outside
- 5:57Speaker 1: of our mind, God out there things like that. It's
- 6:02Speaker 1: just that later on in life, about fifteen years after,
- 6:05Speaker 1: I learned that actually there are people in the world
- 6:07Speaker 1: who try to answer those questions and actually make way
- 6:10Speaker 1: towards giving them answers. The luck pot in all stories
- 6:16Speaker 1: had to be with me meeting a person who happened
- 6:19Speaker 1: to be an.
- 6:19Speaker 2: EU a scientist who was.
- 6:22Speaker 1: All their neuroscientists who retired already but also had a
- 6:25Speaker 1: noble prize to his arsenal, who happened to be himself
- 6:30Speaker 1: a hacker during.
- 6:31Speaker 2: World War Two, and he kind.
- 6:33Speaker 1: Of found some kinship in my story and history, and
- 6:35Speaker 1: he said that if you're a hacker, your talents are
- 6:38Speaker 1: really useful in the random of neuroscience.
- 6:41Speaker 2: Why don't you change careers and go to neuroscience.
- 6:43Speaker 1: And this conversation was enough to push even.
- 6:47Speaker 2: Further and negative. It was all in my mind.
- 6:50Speaker 1: All of those combined, mix them and put some dressing.
- 6:54Speaker 1: Makes a kid one day say, Okay, I'm going to
- 6:56Speaker 1: take a leap of faith and I'm going to leave
- 6:59Speaker 1: the time is well towards California and try my chances
- 7:03Speaker 1: in neuroscience. So science is not as glamorous as it
- 7:13Speaker 1: may seem on a TV show or when you see
- 7:18Speaker 1: the Nobel Prizes awarded in October, or even kind of
- 7:22Speaker 1: on a sinem conversation where someone just describes how they
- 7:24Speaker 1: find solution to Corona. It involves a lot of bipeds
- 7:29Speaker 1: and lengthy nights with nothing working and failed experiments. That said,
- 7:38Speaker 1: I think that I was again a bit lucky and
- 7:40Speaker 1: a bit kind of correctly planned as to how to
- 7:47Speaker 1: manage my risks. So when I joined a labin Euroscience
- 7:49Speaker 1: saying here's what I want to do, my advisor, a PhDs,
- 7:53Speaker 1: I told me, look, here's what you want to do.
- 7:55Speaker 1: It's ambitious and it's whisky and it's interesting, but you
- 7:58Speaker 1: need to get a PhD.
- 8:00Speaker 2: So we'll do two things.
- 8:01Speaker 1: You'll do that risky, ambitious and interesting thing, and you're
- 8:05Speaker 1: going to do another project that is very clear, mundane.
- 8:09Speaker 1: It won't be headline a talk show, but it will
- 8:12Speaker 1: be interesting, and that fight's going to put.
- 8:14Speaker 2: A dent on research.
- 8:15Speaker 1: It's going to be one more thing that we need
- 8:16Speaker 1: to know that's not clamorous, and you're gonna do that first,
- 8:19Speaker 1: and I will choose that for you. You don't need to
- 8:21Speaker 1: choose what it is like you choose the one you want,
- 8:23Speaker 1: and I choose the one you do on top of
- 8:24Speaker 1: the other one, and you start with that. So I
- 8:27Speaker 1: started by doing something that it seemed to me in
- 8:29Speaker 1: the beginning, kind of like you know, painting the fence,
- 8:32Speaker 1: kept familiar with the Karaate analogy, kind of doing very
- 8:38Speaker 1: kind of routine science terms out that in science was
- 8:42Speaker 1: fascinating to you. And I think it's a lesson for
- 8:44Speaker 1: a lot of people. You take a small task that
- 8:47Speaker 1: you think, oh, that's just me kind of doing something
- 8:49Speaker 1: so I can get in something else. And if you
- 8:51Speaker 1: do it well, and if you do it, you will
- 8:53Speaker 1: find it interesting because the brain wants to find meaning things.
- 8:57Speaker 1: You will find nuances in there. You will start seeing
- 9:01Speaker 1: where it could go. I fell in love with a
- 9:02Speaker 1: small project and it was kind of what got me
- 9:07Speaker 1: going every time the big one failed again and again.
- 9:11Speaker 1: In the end, they both kind of a part of
- 9:13Speaker 1: my life. The big one also materialized and in a
- 9:16Speaker 1: way allowed me to kind of pursue what I wanted.
- 9:19Speaker 1: But I think that's about what I love. The big project,
- 9:25Speaker 1: which is probably what I'm known for the neuroscientists to date,
- 9:29Speaker 1: is the study of human beings with open brains and
- 9:34Speaker 1: electrodes inside their head while they're awake.
- 9:37Speaker 2: It's there. It's not something people often do.
- 9:39Speaker 1: Most neuroscientists study the brains of humans using machines like
- 9:43Speaker 1: from an eye or eg that image the brain from
- 9:45Speaker 1: the outside. Rarely do we get a person that lets
- 9:49Speaker 1: us open their brain, stick it inside, and keep them
- 9:53Speaker 1: connected to our computer for days while they talk to us,
- 9:56Speaker 1: and we can look at the inside of their brain
- 9:58Speaker 1: as it operates. Those unique individuals that have some brain disorder,
- 10:03Speaker 1: the requires of surgery just the platform that allows.
- 10:07Speaker 2: Us to actually open their brain and look inside.
- 10:10Speaker 1: And once you do that, you can ask the big
- 10:13Speaker 1: questions in science, and you can ask questions like where
- 10:16Speaker 1: are your memoir is sitting?
- 10:17Speaker 2: Really? Can I touch your memory?
- 10:19Speaker 1: Or can I change your decisions by just zapping one
- 10:21Speaker 1: cell and making it operate differently? All the questions that
- 10:25Speaker 1: I was interested in that I didn't know you can't
- 10:27Speaker 1: even ask and suddenly became reality. And I kind of
- 10:33Speaker 1: think that it's a joke, but I actually think it's
- 10:35Speaker 1: true anyways, is that the brain is the most peutiful
- 10:39Speaker 1: organ in the human body. But then when you say
- 10:43Speaker 1: that you ask yourself which organ is making you say that?
- 10:46Speaker 2: And that's also the brain in that.
- 10:48Speaker 1: Sense, I think it's the part of us that we
- 10:53Speaker 1: think is us. So when I talk to you right now,
- 10:56Speaker 1: I think it's like all of this body.
- 10:58Speaker 2: That's here is me. Reality is that it's my.
- 11:01Speaker 1: Brain talking to your brain, like kind of the brain
- 11:03Speaker 1: is the only part that speaks for me, And in
- 11:06Speaker 1: a way me is sitting only in like a couple
- 11:09Speaker 1: of pounds here. Everything else are right kind of peripherals
- 11:14Speaker 1: of the brain. My hands, my arms, my legs. If
- 11:19Speaker 1: I lose them, I'm still gonna be myself. If I
- 11:22Speaker 1: lose a part of my pinky in a car accident,
- 11:25Speaker 1: it would be sad, but I would wake up.
- 11:27Speaker 2: The same person. But if I lose similar.
- 11:30Speaker 1: Sized pot for my brain, I might wake up totally
- 11:33Speaker 1: different person, not even to myself.
- 11:35Speaker 2: I have different memories. So the brain is the story
- 11:38Speaker 2: of ourselves.
- 11:45Speaker 1: So traumas are usually kind of system not failure, I
- 11:51Speaker 1: wouldn't say, but like a.
- 11:53Speaker 2: Different in how the systems work.
- 11:56Speaker 1: So in theory, the way memories I expect to work
- 12:01Speaker 1: is you create an experience and it becomes a memory,
- 12:04Speaker 1: and then this memory sits there. If you use it
- 12:05Speaker 1: a lot, it becomes more strengthened and you have more
- 12:08Speaker 1: access to it and use it. Little kind of starts
- 12:09Speaker 1: fading away and you might forget it, or you might
- 12:11Speaker 1: kind of not have access to all of the aspects
- 12:15Speaker 1: of it. And one way to keep memories active is
- 12:18Speaker 1: to actually use them.
- 12:20Speaker 2: So let's say you had an experience and you tell
- 12:22Speaker 2: your friends about it.
- 12:23Speaker 1: By telling your friends, you kind of opened the memory,
- 12:25Speaker 1: loaded it for the time of conversation, and then.
- 12:28Speaker 2: When you're done, put it back in the file.
- 12:32Speaker 1: This is what allows us to adapt and to keep
- 12:34Speaker 1: changing and to keep fixing the narrative of our life,
- 12:37Speaker 1: so it works perfectly.
- 12:39Speaker 2: Trauma is a failure of the system.
- 12:41Speaker 1: Trauma is a situation where you load the memory, tell
- 12:44Speaker 1: the story or experience it, and then.
- 12:45Speaker 2: You don't change that all. You can't keep the same
- 12:48Speaker 2: memory as it is.
- 12:49Speaker 1: So the system that's supposed to help us get better
- 12:54Speaker 1: and rewrite things so we can go forward with life
- 12:59Speaker 1: without releaving the bad experiences doesn't work. You keep going
- 13:03Speaker 1: back to the same memory and you don't change it.
- 13:06Speaker 1: And that's what's happening when the memory is painful and
- 13:08Speaker 1: our brain clings to it and doesn't let us get
- 13:11Speaker 1: away with it, like we keep seeing the same tank
- 13:14Speaker 1: explosion in Afghanistan or the same breakup. All of those things,
- 13:17Speaker 1: they keep coming back and again and again, and our
- 13:19Speaker 1: brain cannot let go and it cannot change. And that
- 13:22Speaker 1: is when input from the outside is helpful. That's why
- 13:25Speaker 1: people go to therapy or talk to their friends.
- 13:27Speaker 2: They kind of force someone else's into their memory with
- 13:30Speaker 2: the hope of gradually changing it and making it better.
- 13:35Speaker 1: Bad experiences are unpleasant, but they're also not something that
- 13:40Speaker 1: we want to totally get out of our life and
- 13:42Speaker 1: just say I.
- 13:43Speaker 2: Want like to shelter myself. You learned maybe as much.
- 13:47Speaker 1: Maybe close to maybe more, but a lot from bad
- 13:52Speaker 1: experiences as much as you did from good ones. So
- 13:55Speaker 1: this breakup that you couldn't stop thinking about every time
- 13:59Speaker 1: you woke come in the morning, I'm never gonna be
- 14:01Speaker 1: able to fall in love again, and wrote poetry.
- 14:07Speaker 2: Maybe led to great poetry.
- 14:08Speaker 1: Maybe it led to the next lationship being better because
- 14:11Speaker 1: you knew what it stakes brain and you didn't want
- 14:13Speaker 1: to do them again. If you just kind of try
- 14:16Speaker 1: to say bad, I don't want it, you will not
- 14:21Speaker 1: get kind of different the brain, to be a little
- 14:24Speaker 1: bit more technical, has essentially a system for learning. It's
- 14:28Speaker 1: very simple. It tries something and then it gets two
- 14:31Speaker 1: types of feedbacks, and those feedbacks either strengthen connections to
- 14:34Speaker 1: the brain weakened them. Those those feedbacks are either reward
- 14:38Speaker 1: system set in a place called the nuclears reccumbents, and
- 14:41Speaker 1: it's the place that basically, after you do something, gives
- 14:43Speaker 1: it a score. How good was it one to ten
- 14:46Speaker 1: I'm simplifying, Then let's do more of it one, Let's
- 14:50Speaker 1: do less of it right in the future. And there's
- 14:52Speaker 1: another system in mainly the insular context, the insula pain.
- 14:57Speaker 2: You do something comes back of pain.
- 15:00Speaker 1: You try to actively rewire to not just do less
- 15:04Speaker 1: of that in the future, but not do the opposite
- 15:06Speaker 1: in the future.
- 15:07Speaker 2: Those two feedback loops happen all the time.
- 15:10Speaker 1: Every time we take connection, we learn something, we order
- 15:13Speaker 1: the salmon, we get immediately involved for making a choice.
- 15:17Speaker 1: We love that, but then they can buy it and
- 15:19Speaker 1: it's disgusting and we get a pain and say, Okay,
- 15:21Speaker 1: don't trust this part of your brain that made choices
- 15:23Speaker 1: because it failed us. So next time there's the options,
- 15:26Speaker 1: listen to this one less listen to this one more
- 15:29Speaker 1: and then you learn that definitely can mistake too. They
- 15:31Speaker 1: So what am I going to do? So I'm going
- 15:32Speaker 1: to take a guest next time and see. Your brain
- 15:35Speaker 1: does all of those things under the hood, but it
- 15:37Speaker 1: tries things, and it learns from things, and it uses
- 15:39Speaker 1: those reward and pain systems continuously to evaluate experienses.
- 15:43Speaker 2: And learn from them.
- 15:45Speaker 1: And in that sense, the bad ones are half the system.
- 15:54Speaker 1: Do we know that the brain changes a lot more
- 15:56Speaker 1: between the ages of zero to five than it does
- 15:58Speaker 1: between five to twelve and seven opinion, Then it starts
- 16:01Speaker 1: slowing down and changing less and less. So if you
- 16:03Speaker 1: have kids and they're between the age of zero to
- 16:06Speaker 1: five and you want to sort of speak hecking to
- 16:08Speaker 1: their brain by say, making them speak more languages, that's
- 16:12Speaker 1: the critical time for that. Like you, if you teach
- 16:14Speaker 1: them languages between zero to five, they would acquire mother tongues,
- 16:17Speaker 1: so they will have three mother tongues, and they're going
- 16:20Speaker 1: to create enough space in their brain to speak each
- 16:22Speaker 1: language as if it's their mother tongue. If you start
- 16:25Speaker 1: teaching them languages at the age of twelve, they would
- 16:26Speaker 1: still acquire them pretty accurately, but it will become harder
- 16:30Speaker 1: to make the mother tongue. They will start translating from
- 16:33Speaker 1: the new one into their mother tongue and.
- 16:34Speaker 2: Then say it in the Gana tongue and then translated back.
- 16:36Speaker 2: It will still be easy to learn, but it won't
- 16:38Speaker 2: be the same.
- 16:39Speaker 1: And if you start to learn the language at our
- 16:41Speaker 1: age twenty thirty forty, you can learn, but it will
- 16:44Speaker 1: never become your mother tongue. So one aspect of hacking
- 16:47Speaker 1: your brain is figuring out the right time in your
- 16:49Speaker 1: life to train this brain. Another thing which aligns with
- 16:55Speaker 1: the same kind of concept is that there are timing
- 16:56Speaker 1: even in the life of older people, where their brain
- 16:59Speaker 1: is more many able, for example, when you sleep.
- 17:03Speaker 2: So sleep is one.
- 17:04Speaker 1: Of those moments that nature gave us for our consciousness
- 17:08Speaker 1: to essentially be dominant and for processes in our brained
- 17:12Speaker 1: to do their job, and that job would be to
- 17:15Speaker 1: strengthen memoris, to eliminate that memories, to rehearse memoris, to
- 17:19Speaker 1: do this thing where you kind of blow the memor
- 17:21Speaker 1: which iged to modifying. All of those things happen when
- 17:23Speaker 1: we sleep. So knowing that and knowing specifically which window
- 17:28Speaker 1: of the sleep is the window by which of course,
- 17:30Speaker 1: as one happens as supposed to, could allow people to now.
- 17:34Speaker 2: Use it for the advantage.
- 17:35Speaker 1: If you really want to rehearse a French history, because
- 17:40Speaker 1: you have an example tomorrow and you know that memorists
- 17:44Speaker 1: get strengthened during a period of the night called slower sleep,
- 17:48Speaker 1: you can actually trigger an activity that will make you
- 17:53Speaker 1: use this process to rehearse French Revolution history, and then
- 17:56Speaker 1: you might remember it better in a way in the morning.
- 18:00Speaker 1: The people who interact with input our brain, whether they
- 18:04Speaker 1: try to persuade us and actively try to give us
- 18:07Speaker 1: content or order, they just act next to us, and
- 18:09Speaker 1: our brain absorb. Writing down thoughts is help. The process
- 18:16Speaker 1: of writing forces you to think it in different words.
- 18:21Speaker 1: It slows down, It takes longer to write, so you
- 18:23Speaker 1: actually have to pause and not of Like if someone
- 18:25Speaker 1: tells you if you were right now sitting in front
- 18:28Speaker 1: of the bus station waiting for the bus board, say
- 18:31Speaker 1: I'm gonna think of my life, suddenly your entire life
- 18:34Speaker 1: will flashing like as I said, Okay, I thought I done.
- 18:37Speaker 1: But if you had to tell someone about your life,
- 18:39Speaker 1: twenty minutes will past easily. It's the same thought you
- 18:42Speaker 1: have all your life, but Saying it in words requires
- 18:45Speaker 1: a nutty it requires ABC and ARC, writing, journally, talking
- 18:49Speaker 1: to others. All of those things they help their brain
- 18:54Speaker 1: see the same story in a different light. I would
- 19:01Speaker 1: say the kind of if people have been given diaries
- 19:06Speaker 1: in questionaeers for a while where they were asked what
- 19:11Speaker 1: do you want in life? I would boil down the
- 19:13Speaker 1: answer to one word. Happiness.
- 19:15Speaker 2: That's the thing that most people say they want.
- 19:19Speaker 1: They just have different theos on what would give them that.
- 19:23Speaker 1: If you ask people, okay, what would make you happy?
- 19:26Speaker 1: A lot of people think that money make happy. That
- 19:28Speaker 1: kind of listen in the top five things money. Other
- 19:31Speaker 1: people say a relationship, like if I just married the
- 19:35Speaker 1: woman I love, or if I just found the guide.
- 19:38Speaker 2: That I dream of, or if two of us would
- 19:40Speaker 2: have kids. That's another kind of big theme.
- 19:44Speaker 1: But either way, people have theois on what we make
- 19:47Speaker 1: them happy, and unfortunately most of the theories are not true.
- 19:51Speaker 1: There's a name for that in psychology. It's called the
- 19:54Speaker 1: threadmill effect. You walk towards the goal, you get there,
- 19:56Speaker 1: and you actually realize that.
- 19:57Speaker 2: You were in the same place that you were before.
- 19:59Speaker 2: Because it's not it.
- 20:03Speaker 1: For the most part, people who wanted money and got
- 20:06Speaker 1: them money did not change their happiness. People who wanted
- 20:08Speaker 1: money and lost a lot of money did not decrease
- 20:11Speaker 1: the happiness.
- 20:11Speaker 2: People who got married did not. You know, there's a spike.
- 20:14Speaker 1: If you wanted to have a kid, and you have
- 20:16Speaker 1: a kid for a few weeks, months, days, you will
- 20:19Speaker 1: have a spike happiness very quickly. The case if not
- 20:23Speaker 1: to were it below it was before, please do it
- 20:27Speaker 1: was before. So I think that the goal of happiness
- 20:30Speaker 1: is published out about all your audience members and viewers.
- 20:34Speaker 1: How to get there is a different thing, and science
- 20:37Speaker 1: can tell you, first of all, what doesn't get you there.
- 20:39Speaker 1: The things I said before, money, kids, lessonships aren't what
- 20:44Speaker 1: does and those are sometimes mundane things people don't believing,
- 20:49Speaker 1: or even if the bill say yeah, yeah, come on,
- 20:50Speaker 1: but not me like I will need the money or fine,
- 20:53Speaker 1: but I'm not willing to forgive an example. Sleep, high
- 20:57Speaker 1: quality sleep. If you go to sleep every day, good time,
- 21:01Speaker 1: and spend many hours and not use a lot so on,
- 21:04Speaker 1: you're gonna be happier in the days after a lot
- 21:08Speaker 1: more than if you made a million dollars. They're probably
- 21:12Speaker 1: aligned on the one word NS, which is the one
- 21:14Speaker 1: happiness or some people is the diverse, say minimized suffering.
- 21:19Speaker 1: Either way, that's what people want. That's probably true for
- 21:22Speaker 1: a lot of people. How to get there requires a
- 21:26Speaker 1: little bit of work and knowing what's the right goal
- 21:28Speaker 1: and how to get First of all, many people, if
- 21:35Speaker 1: you ask them about kind of happiness, they have a
- 21:39Speaker 1: kind of a you know, a theory when I'm gonna
- 21:42Speaker 1: be happy, I'm gonna be justpy all the time, smiling
- 21:44Speaker 1: of like kind of a cartoon character in a kid's movie.
- 21:49Speaker 1: The reality is that it's not how happiness looks. It's
- 21:52Speaker 1: made of moments. And in that sense, many people, if
- 21:55Speaker 1: they kind of pause and look at their life, they
- 21:56Speaker 1: realize that they're already.
- 21:58Speaker 2: Those two being there. It's just to be not aware
- 21:59Speaker 2: of it.
- 22:00Speaker 1: I think there's there's studies un people being asked how
- 22:02Speaker 1: happy are your moment to moments?
- 22:04Speaker 2: Turns out that most of us are.
- 22:07Speaker 1: Kind of able to find joy and in small moments,
- 22:11Speaker 1: like when when some comes nice happens. In that sense,
- 22:15Speaker 1: if you kind of lower this expectation for like big
- 22:18Speaker 1: happiness continuously forever, you realize that you're all the close
- 22:22Speaker 1: to there, and with a few tweaks you can get
- 22:23Speaker 1: more of it. So that's kind of one positive in
- 22:27Speaker 1: just remove the label of I want to be happy,
- 22:28Speaker 1: which is me being on a high constantly forever. That's
- 22:33Speaker 1: never happening to anyone. When you get there, you just
- 22:34Speaker 1: get used to it and that becomes your no norm
- 22:36Speaker 1: and lonely something else never.
- 22:37Speaker 2: So okay, that's one. The other thing is of all
- 22:40Speaker 2: the things that I could.
- 22:41Speaker 1: Kind of recommend that that give you the experience of
- 22:45Speaker 1: happiness moment to moment, like you don't need to get
- 22:47Speaker 1: to a goal.
- 22:48Speaker 2: It's electionship with people. So a lot of people report
- 22:53Speaker 2: that just having interaction.
- 22:54Speaker 1: With people, ideally positive ones, but even not always positive,
- 23:00Speaker 1: just the mere interaction is really really helpful to feeling happy.
- 23:04Speaker 1: Time passes differently, your brain process information differently, You have
- 23:08Speaker 1: to tell your story and load number with and change them.
- 23:10Speaker 1: All of those things are enough to actually affect our
- 23:16Speaker 1: brain positively. So if you're looking for a way to
- 23:19Speaker 1: kind of right now get this long lasting feeling of
- 23:22Speaker 1: happiness that people imagine, I would say focus on having
- 23:27Speaker 1: positive relationships in your life that you cultivate and interact
- 23:30Speaker 1: with often, and you will when you look back at
- 23:33Speaker 1: the last week and you say, okay, what happened? You say, oh,
- 23:35Speaker 1: I was happy in Night of Time and because I
- 23:38Speaker 1: spend nine of the time with people, and that would
- 23:40Speaker 1: be closest to what people have in mind theory for
- 23:43Speaker 1: five minutes,