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Interview with a Fully Conscious UFO Contactee Part Five - Gathering the Children · UFOS & PARANORMAL WITH PRESTON DENNETT

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  Speaker 1: Hello, everyone. My name is Preston Dennett, and welcome to
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  Speaker 1: a new episode of UFOs and the Paranormal. I've got
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  Speaker 1: a very special episode for you today. I'm bringing back
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  Speaker 1: Dolly Safran. She's, of course, the subject of my book, Symmetry,
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  Speaker 1: A True UFO Adventure, which is all about her lifelong
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  Speaker 1: experiences with extraterrestrials. And this is part of a series
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  Speaker 1: of interviews I've done with her covering the book and
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  Speaker 1: other experiences that were not covered in the book. And
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  Speaker 1: today will be part five. I'm calling this episode, Interview
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  Speaker 1: with a Fully Conscious UFO Contactee, Part Five, Gathering the Children.
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  Speaker 1: And by this, I mean we're going to talk about
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  Speaker 1: onboard UFO experiences. I think this is the most... Extensive
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  Speaker 1: type of UFO encounter. This is where we really get
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  Speaker 1: the answers about the agenda behind ET contact. Don't really
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  Speaker 1: like that word agenda. The goal, perhaps. The reasons. And
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  Speaker 1: Dolly has a lot to say about this. This is
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  Speaker 1: one of the main reasons she decided to come forward.
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  Speaker 1: Because the UFO contact experience is being badly misrepresented. There's
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  Speaker 1: a lot of fear surrounding this subject, which is not warranted.
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  Speaker 1: They're not here to hurt us. I've long ago come
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  Speaker 1: to that conclusion. And the onboard experience is just so
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  Speaker 1: darn fascinating. This is my favorite aspect of UFO encounters.
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  Speaker 1: And boy, does Dolly have a lot of them. And
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  Speaker 1: this is what we're going to be talking about. Gathering
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  Speaker 1: the children is what the ETs call it. So first,
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  Speaker 1: I'd like to welcome you, Dolly, back on the show.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks so much for being here.
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  Speaker 2: You're welcome. Thank you. and I'm fine. This is a
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  Speaker 2: good thing to do and thank you for allowing me
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  Speaker 2: to do it.
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  Speaker 1: Wow, my pleasure and honor too. So this is exciting.
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  Speaker 1: I've got a list of questions and I'd love to
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  Speaker 1: cover some of the really poignant and more interesting and
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  Speaker 1: unusual experiences we described in the book. And of course,
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  Speaker 1: you're free to talk about whatever. I always learn something
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  Speaker 1: new when I interview you. Your experiences are so fascinating.
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  Speaker 1: and really confirm a lot of what I've learned from
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  Speaker 1: other people. So let's just get started with the root
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  Speaker 1: of it. This is a controversial aspect of UFO encounters.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think it should be. It's clear that people
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  Speaker 1: are being taken on board. Invited on board is how
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  Speaker 1: many people put it. You won't use the term abduction.
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  Speaker 1: It's not accurate, and I agree with you on that.
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  Speaker 1: So this is my first question because this comes up
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  Speaker 1: so often when I interview people. Is being taken on
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  Speaker 1: board a voluntary experience? Do people choose to work with
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  Speaker 1: the ETs and go on board or are they, quote,
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  Speaker 1: I hate to use this term, but people keep telling
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  Speaker 1: me kidnapped. Are they abducted against their will? So, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: this is something I'd really like just to get some
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  Speaker 1: clarification on and you know, have you explain as someone
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  Speaker 1: who is a fully conscious contactee, doesn't have fear, knows
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  Speaker 1: what's going on, and have had a lot of experiences
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  Speaker 1: with onboard encounters, not only yours, but seeing other people.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, is this voluntary or are people being kidnapped?
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  Speaker 2: In every sense of the word, we are voluntarily going
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  Speaker 2: with them. There is a very expressed reason why it's
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  Speaker 2: complicated and it's generational. ETs have worked with humanity since
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  Speaker 2: the beginning of our time and their time here. We've
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  Speaker 2: had 12,000 years this iteration, 12,000 before that, 12,000, 12,000, 12,000
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  Speaker 2: for 280,000 years or a million years actually on this
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  Speaker 2: planet and then before that on another. You are genetically
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  Speaker 2: conscious of them whether you realize it or not Every
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  Speaker 2: generation before us has had contact, and all of that
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  Speaker 2: is in us to know. We are not fully conscious
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  Speaker 2: of it in this iteration because it has been pushed
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  Speaker 2: away from our ability to remember. We have been enslaved
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  Speaker 2: somewhat away from our knowledge and our abilities. We have
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  Speaker 2: been told that they don't exist. We've been told that
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  Speaker 2: we're crazy for being psychic. We've been told that we're
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  Speaker 2: supernatural as not natural. They've pretty much turned us into
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  Speaker 2: agreeable followers and not doers on our own.
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  Speaker 1: Behind that, governments have.
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  Speaker 2: Yes. Behind that, your consciousness, which is who you really
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  Speaker 2: are and can express itself to your physical mind, is
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  Speaker 2: not able to alleviate Your physical mind can't hear it
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  Speaker 2: thinking all the time. That's why their message, we need
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  Speaker 2: you to wake up. We need you to know who
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  Speaker 2: you really are. We need you to know how to
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  Speaker 2: hear the truth and hear and understand what's really going on.
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  Speaker 2: Our education systems, everything. Now imagine a human being right
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  Speaker 2: now who's had no memory of it and has been
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  Speaker 2: expressly told this is wrong thinking. suddenly wake up and
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  Speaker 2: they have an ET in the room with them, they
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  Speaker 2: will mentally start going into shock. That's my experience seeing
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  Speaker 2: it happen in real time. They shut down. They mentally
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  Speaker 2: wall themselves in in pure fear until we get them
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  Speaker 2: on board and we show them that they've done this before.
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  Speaker 2: And we show them that there's nothing to fear. We
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  Speaker 2: show them what the reasons are, why they're there and
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  Speaker 2: what's really going on. It's still up to them whether
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  Speaker 2: they want to consciously remember that memory or treat it
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  Speaker 2: as if it's a dream. We OBE every night when
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  Speaker 2: we're asleep. Everybody does. That's a natural talent of all humanity.
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  Speaker 2: But your dreams are dreamlike to you and you don't
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  Speaker 2: remember the OBEs as if it's really happening to you
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  Speaker 2: and you shroud it. Your physical mind can't comprehend it.
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  Speaker 2: So it shrouds it in mystery and exotic things when
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  Speaker 2: it's not true. It We self-delude really easily, and a
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  Speaker 2: lot of people choose to stay in that delusional period.
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  Speaker 2: They really, really want to come to the conscious control
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  Speaker 2: of it, because if they do, it alters their life
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  Speaker 2: in a drastic, unprecedented way. It singles them out. It
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  Speaker 2: puts them at odds with humanity, their families, their friends, everything.
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  Speaker 2: It makes their life hard to live. And ET is
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  Speaker 2: very aware of this and will allow them to keep
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  Speaker 2: it in the dream state in their mind. They choose that.
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  Speaker 2: They don't hypnotize us. We do it to ourselves. If
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  Speaker 2: you want to know what split personalities are, this is
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  Speaker 2: a real good example of it. We dream personality, walk
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  Speaker 2: away from the truth of what's actually happening. I see
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  Speaker 2: this as somewhat okay. but I mostly see it as
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  Speaker 2: a waste of our time and ETs. It makes me
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  Speaker 2: a little upset, a little bit sad for everybody because
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  Speaker 2: the truth is way better than the fiction or the dream.
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  Speaker 2: The truth of who they are and who we are
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  Speaker 2: to them with them is way more expansive and more
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  Speaker 2: productive to us as a people than anything else.
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  Speaker 1: And yeah, Well, that's the thing behind missing time then
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  Speaker 1: is because it's a sort of agreement between both parties involved.
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  Speaker 2: Correct.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly.
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  Speaker 2: It's a cooperative effort to give you relief from that
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  Speaker 2: which is too much for you to handle right now.
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  Speaker 2: A lot of people choose to be woken up by
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  Speaker 2: it's sort of like a trigger. You know, a hypnotist
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  Speaker 2: will tell you this is going to happen in the future.
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  Speaker 2: When it does, this memory is going to come back
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  Speaker 2: to you. you can be allowed to do that. You
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  Speaker 2: can allow a situation to wake you up suddenly. And
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  Speaker 2: a lot of people are under that trigger because we
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  Speaker 2: have things coming at us and everybody pretty much knows
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  Speaker 2: that under their skin. Most people are walking the streets today,
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  Speaker 2: knowing that we're facing something in this, they don't know
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  Speaker 2: why they know it, but they do. And when a
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  Speaker 2: few things start to happen, they're going to wake up.
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  Speaker 2: It's going to be a big deal.
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  Speaker 1: Fear is the real problem behind people interpreting. This is a,
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  Speaker 1: negative involuntary experience. And that's the trigger for missing time. Wow,
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  Speaker 1: it's ultimately always coming down to simple fear. Because most
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  Speaker 1: of the people I've talked to who've had repeated onboard
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  Speaker 1: experiences at some point realize, okay, I did in fact
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  Speaker 1: agree to this. This is for my benefit. And they
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  Speaker 1: start to remember and they start to get all the
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  Speaker 1: good stuff. Right.
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  Speaker 2: I've actually had people that I've watched on board who
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  Speaker 2: decide at that point after multiple contacts decide, okay, this
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  Speaker 2: is it. I'm going to start to remember now. And
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  Speaker 2: how do we do this? How am I going to
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  Speaker 2: do this safely? How am I going to mentally take this?
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  Speaker 2: And they walk them through it and they begin that
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  Speaker 2: process of giving them the ability or helping them. That's
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  Speaker 2: why they suddenly think that they're psychic and that ET
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  Speaker 2: did it. No, they did not. You're psychic on your own.
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  Speaker 2: You don't need any help doing that. But all the
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  Speaker 2: blocks that are there for you not to be psychic
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  Speaker 2: are suddenly going to start being removed from you. In
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  Speaker 2: other words, but you're doing it to yourself. No hypnotist
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  Speaker 2: has any control like that over you. And neither does ET.
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  Speaker 2: We control ourselves. We're autonomous beings. So we decide how
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  Speaker 2: we're going to wake up. That's how that process goes.
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  Speaker 1: Contact experience sort of provides one an opportunity or facilitates.
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  Speaker 2: Facilitates, exactly. They give you the opportunity, you take it,
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  Speaker 2: and then they offer you support. That's what they do.
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  Speaker 1: All right. Yeah, this is what I love about your
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  Speaker 1: experiences because you've watched this happen so many times. You're
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  Speaker 1: there when people are being taken on board. This is
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  Speaker 1: one of the things you do with them. So this
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  Speaker 1: is another thing I want to bring up is people say,
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  Speaker 1: you know, why are they taking us on board? And
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  Speaker 1: I hear people saying without any real evidence, oh, this
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  Speaker 1: is medical experimentation. And I don't have evidence of that.
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  Speaker 1: I do think that often the purpose is to be healed.
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  Speaker 1: I think there's multiple reasons people are taken on board,
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  Speaker 1: but I thought it would be interesting if we could
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  Speaker 1: go over Some of the main purposes behind the onboard experience.
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  Speaker 2: When the reason that you're contacted and brought on board
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  Speaker 2: a craft is to check up on you. They want
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  Speaker 2: to know how you are doing. They want to categorize
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  Speaker 2: the state of your health. And they monitor it. A
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  Speaker 2: lot of people are monitored. And they see how well
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  Speaker 2: you're doing now as opposed to then. They have a
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  Speaker 2: baseline on everybody. The number one reason is that we're
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  Speaker 2: taking heavy loads of gamma radiation. Our DNA is being attacked.
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  Speaker 2: And that is causing us all kinds of physical and
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  Speaker 2: mental ailments. And they're trying to hold up the human
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  Speaker 2: genome and help us survive what's coming. And for us
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  Speaker 2: to be totally magnetically erased before it even occurs is
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  Speaker 2: a bad thing. So they're helping us. That's the number
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  Speaker 2: one reason. They understand that we have karmic reasons for
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  Speaker 2: being here, that each life is important, and that life
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  Speaker 2: has the right or the purpose of learning what it
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  Speaker 2: needs to learn. So they don't go past that. But
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  Speaker 2: if you have something that they can take care of
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  Speaker 2: right now that will help you keep your purpose going
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  Speaker 2: in the way that it's meant to go, they do heal.
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  Speaker 2: And they have. They have always endeavored to do so.
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  Speaker 2: Some people realize they're being healed. Some people don't. Some
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  Speaker 2: people are totally aware of it. It just depends on
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  Speaker 2: your circumstances with them.
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  Speaker 1: All right. Yeah, that's the conclusion I've come to. The
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  Speaker 1: onboard experience in a nutshell is for healing. It's for guiding.
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  Speaker 1: It's for teaching. It's for informing. It's for waking people
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  Speaker 1: up to themselves, their own abilities, their own autonomy, their immortality,
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  Speaker 1: this sort of thing. So, yeah, it's very nice to
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  Speaker 1: hear you say that. And what I'd like to do, actually,
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  Speaker 1: is provide specific examples so people can see this in action.
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  Speaker 1: And I've got a few examples here that we did
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  Speaker 1: cover in the book. Okay. It'll be really fun. Because
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  Speaker 1: some of these are so poignant. I mean, it just
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  Speaker 1: brought tears to my eyes when you talked about some
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  Speaker 1: of these experiences you've had with people. But before we
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  Speaker 1: get to that, one other thing is how people– react
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  Speaker 1: when they're taken on board. You've seen it all. People
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  Speaker 1: reacting in utter fear, terror, vomiting, soiling themselves, attacking the ETs.
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  Speaker 1: Whereas some are joyful and celebrate. It would be interesting,
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  Speaker 1: I think, if you could talk about how people react
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  Speaker 1: along this bell curve with some kids being very happy,
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  Speaker 1: other people being fearful, other people How do people react
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  Speaker 1: when they are pulled on board?
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  Speaker 2: Well, it does run the gamut. In other words, from
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  Speaker 2: zero to a thousand. Children are the least likely to
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  Speaker 2: freak out. And I say that it's not a generalization. 99.99%
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  Speaker 2: of the time, children go, hey, this is cool. They're
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  Speaker 2: loving little creatures and they're so wide open. Every blue
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  Speaker 2: moon I will see one come on board who's newly
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  Speaker 2: coming on board first time and they go solidly still.
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  Speaker 2: They freeze and they won't move and they just look around.
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  Speaker 2: You know, their eyes are moving, but they're not doing
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  Speaker 2: anything until you make physical and emotional contact with them.
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  Speaker 2: And when they realize that you're not there to hurt them,
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  Speaker 2: that's when they loosen up. ET does prefer to bring
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  Speaker 2: mommies on board with the children if that's happening. because
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  Speaker 2: mommies are the barometer of their emotional expression. They follow
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  Speaker 2: her or daddy, even in some instances, or grandpa or grandma.
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  Speaker 2: So they're brought with them. If mommy's acting badly, baby's
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  Speaker 2: gonna act badly. So they, mommy's been a repeater, so
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  Speaker 2: she's not gonna go crazy and the kid's gonna go, hey, okay.
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  Speaker 2: And it's better than the human doctor. I've seen this
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  Speaker 2: both ways. In my own instance, As a child, I
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  Speaker 2: had mama and mama helped me to understand what was
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  Speaker 2: going on. And I was like, you know, but I've
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  Speaker 2: seen others come forward.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Your main liaison.
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  Speaker 2: Right, right. I have that advantage. Yes. They do like
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  Speaker 2: to bring mommies and daddies on board. Adults, it just depends.
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  Speaker 2: Men and women who are married or together or partners
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  Speaker 2: or whatever, or anybody who's a partner for that matter,
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  Speaker 2: are generally separated. They run on different times. Sometimes they're together,
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  Speaker 2: but most of the time it's one or the other,
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  Speaker 2: take your pick. And that's so that they're isolated from
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  Speaker 2: the reaction of the other one, because adults can react
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  Speaker 2: even worse than children sometimes. And that's what they're looking
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  Speaker 2: not to have happen on board. They're the big ones
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  Speaker 2: and they can do the most damage to the ETs
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  Speaker 2: who are fragile and it's all get out, a little AI,
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  Speaker 2: so you can hurt them. The taller greys are capable
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  Speaker 2: of getting away from you rapidly, another which you can't
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  Speaker 2: really hurt one. They have the ability to suspend you.
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  Speaker 2: They can levitate you. I mean, they can do a
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  Speaker 2: lot of things to stop your physical advances on them. Children,
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  Speaker 2: they won't do that, though. That is not something that's
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  Speaker 2: no they go nowhere near that at all. I have
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  Speaker 2: seen some. older people react in fear, but most of
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  Speaker 2: the time they're like, I knew it. I knew it.
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  Speaker 2: I knew it. I get that a lot. I knew
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  Speaker 2: you were there. And it's like, whoa, wow.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you did. Some older people actually remember a lifetime
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  Speaker 2: of experience. At one time they'd go, I have these dreams.
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  Speaker 2: They're real, aren't they? And we're like, yep, they're dreams.
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  Speaker 2: They're real. Some of them don't want to leave. I
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  Speaker 2: get that a lot lately. I'm not going back And
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  Speaker 2: that tells me a lot about the state of this
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  Speaker 2: planet right now. A lot of people, when they get there,
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  Speaker 2: they're like, not leaving. And it's hard to tell them
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  Speaker 2: you have to. This is your life. You know, we're
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  Speaker 2: only helping you out because you need help. But you
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  Speaker 2: got to go back. You got to finish this.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you said something once which really resonated with me
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  Speaker 1: because I've heard before people who have these experiences talk
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  Speaker 1: about how they live two separate lives to a certain extent. Yes.
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  Speaker 1: So I can only imagine how it must be to
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  Speaker 1: have that culture shock of finding yourself on board. Like, wow.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm more of an, it's amazing. When I'm with them,
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  Speaker 2: that's my life. And when I'm here, I become, I
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  Speaker 2: feel more like a Gulliver and Gulliver's travelers. You know,
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  Speaker 2: I'm seeing things that I don't quite understand sometimes and
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  Speaker 2: It's a little difficult for me, but I'm here because
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  Speaker 2: I'm a human being and these are experiences that I'm
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  Speaker 2: having and I have to fully participate in them, you know,
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  Speaker 2: enjoying it. It makes it difficult because sometimes I don't
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  Speaker 2: want to. I back up and go, you know, not.
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  Speaker 2: I'll hide.
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  Speaker 1: They don't call this, you know, the ETs from their perspective,
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  Speaker 1: they don't call the experience an abduction.
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  Speaker 2: No, we're gathering the children. That's how they think about it.
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  Speaker 2: It's their concept. We are their children. Literally, we are
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  Speaker 2: their children, all of us. And when we go out on,
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  Speaker 2: you would call it a mission. It's not a mission.
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  Speaker 2: We're going out. It's not even an excursion. They have
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  Speaker 2: a word for it, and it literally comes out to
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  Speaker 2: be we're gathering the children. It's time. We've got to
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  Speaker 2: go get them. It's time to check up. That's how
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  Speaker 2: they think about us. And strangely, and it doesn't matter
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  Speaker 2: who you are, good, bad, or indifferent, they're going to
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  Speaker 2: gather their children and you are. And that's what happens.
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  Speaker 2: And everybody's given the same opportunity. Nobody's discounted. It is
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  Speaker 2: all of us. Now, you can do every now and
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  Speaker 2: then one of somebody will impress them to the point
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  Speaker 2: they will go, okay, we're going to leave you alone now. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: have your way and go right ahead. And they will,
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  Speaker 2: they won't bother you anymore. But you have to really
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  Speaker 2: convince them of that. And some do. But we are
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  Speaker 2: their children. They're not going to leave us alone. Existence
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  Speaker 2: to them is everything. We don't come here for any
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  Speaker 2: other reason other than to advance, to learn, to explore.
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  Speaker 2: We're all together in Source. We all know each other
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  Speaker 2: in Source. And how could you act any differently here?
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  Speaker 2: That's how they feel about it. And the fact that
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  Speaker 2: most everybody on this particular planet at this particular time
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: are having a hard time with this doesn't matter to them.
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: They still love us and they still want to help us. Period.
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's, you know, I mean, it's obvious
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: to me having talked to so many people and the
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: fact that it's so consistent that when they do appear
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: to someone and say, have no fear, don't be afraid,
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: no harm will come to you. You will not be harmed.
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: This is what they always tell people. And so I
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: think that's an important point because certainly that's not what
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: a criminal says or a kidnapper. And again, most people
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: I've talked to come to that conclusion. Right.
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: In essence, an abduction is with violence because people don't
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: want to be abducted and they're fighting it the whole way.
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: If you're going to fight it, if you're going to say, no,
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: I don't want to go, they won't even take you.
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: You stay home. And if you make that decision, that's
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: your decision. They won't take you. You go willingly with them.
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: When they show up to pick you up, even me,
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: I mean, when I saw that beam of light at first,
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: I had a negative reaction to it.
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: Trying to jump and hide. But when I realized what
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: was really going on and I was seeing what was happening,
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: I realized, okay, this is not too bad. I threw
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: up because I was so emotional about it. I puked. Okay.
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: I had a visceral reaction to it, but I never
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: had a fearful one. In other words, I wasn't, Oh no,
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: you're bad people. I want to get in. No, that's
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: not what it was. I was trying to evaluate my
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: situation and this was totally cool. And I was like,
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: I have to realize that this is real. That's what
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: was going through my mind. This is really real, you know?
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: And I finally came to it. I finally went, okay,
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: I'm good. I'm good with this. And I meant to
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: remember at that point, there was no way you were
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: going to stop me. It was too awesome a situation.
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: It was the best one I could possibly be in.
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: And I'm hoping that everybody gets that. I'm hoping that
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: everybody wants to do the work to remember who they are,
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: to remember that they have abilities and to use them
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: and to wake up to it. And that's my fondest,
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: deepest hope and wish, ETs as well.
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: That's why I wanted to do this episode. I just
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: recently interviewed a man who had an onboard experience at
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: age 14 with his mom. They were onboard together. She
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: was reacting quite violently, cursing at the ETs, like, don't
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: you hurt my son.
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: Wow. Yeah.
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: Actually, you know, he's come to the conclusion now that
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: they were healing him a problem with his stomach. And
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: so he was laying there in sheer terror. At the
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: same time, they're saying, what's wrong, child? You know, you're
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: not going to be harmed. We're almost done. And comfort him.
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: And he realized, oh, they're not here to hurt me. Yeah.
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: It's just really interesting to me that people go through
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: that process of trying to get through their fear. Because
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: fear is... will absolutely distort your perception of what's going on.
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: Exactly, yes.
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: All right, so let's talk about some of these really
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: cool specific incidents where this is all illustrated, I think.
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: And what we did talk about in the book, which
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: was really poignant and touching, was about a lady who
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: was in a house fire and was badly burned, and
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: they pulled her on board. Do you remember that one?
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: Yes. She was somebody that we visited probably about every
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: eight months. And she was living rurally out in the Midwest.
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: And when we came in, we realized that her house
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: had been burning and nobody knew it. Nobody saw the fire.
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: Nobody saw the smoke for whatever reason. I don't know.
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: Maybe it was smoldering rain around it that much. I
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: don't remember the topography. All I know is there was
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: a burn house in front of us and she was
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: broadly badly burned and she was going to die. And
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: we brought her up and, the decision was made that
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: she was savable and we were going to do it.
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: And she was taken to be saved. I didn't, I didn't,
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: wasn't able to track her through that entire process because
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: I had other things that were going on. I fly
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: the craft. Later in that time period that I was
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: with them, I kept asking, how is she? Is she alive?
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: Is she okay? Is she okay? And they would say,
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: she's coming, coming, coming. It was about a month, month
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: and a half later. where I was given the word
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: that she was up, she was awake, and she was
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: able to communicate again. And I wanted to see her.
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: I had to see her. And when I did, I
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: expected to see scars, bad scars. I know what it
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: looks like when you've been burned. And she looked good.
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: She did a beautiful job. And she was just a
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: wonderful human being. And she remembered what happened. She was
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: a smoker. And I guess she fell asleep with a
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: cigarette and it burned her and the room. And I
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: don't know how she survived that. I don't know why
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: the whole house caught as fast as it did. I
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: just know that she somehow survived it. She was on
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: the ground floor. She was in an outside room, you know,
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: a corner room. And that air coming in didn't feed
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: the fire to her. It fed the fire to the
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: rest of the house quickly. It gave her more oxygen
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: that way. I think that's how she survived it.
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: They were counseling her because they could not take her back.
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: Under these circumstances, it was believed that she burned to
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: ashes with the house. And she was being counseled because
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: she had to come to the fact that she was
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: not going back. And I worried for her that it
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: would be too hard for her to accept. And when
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: I saw her, I couldn't believe what I was seeing
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: because she not only took it really, really well, she
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: was kind of happy because she realized that what she
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: went through bought her another life and bought her a
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: chance to go on and she should have died. She
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: would have died because if we hadn't shown up, she
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: would have died. She was in the process of going.
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: She was very happy about it. And she was trying
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: to figure out where she wanted to go. And she
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: was really surprised to see me because I'm human. And
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: I'm a hybrid, but look at me, I'm human. And
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: we had a good old time together. We talked and
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: talked and talked. And I kept coming to see her
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: because it was a little while before any decisions were
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: made about where she was going to go. When I
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: saw her the last, when the decisions were made, what
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: was going to happen for her, I got to sit
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: with her for five minutes. And we hugged. And she said,
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: thank you. She said, your eyes saw me first. And
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: I did. I saw her first. And she said, I
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: walked because of you. And I.
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: Was shocked.
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: And I said, you don't have to be grateful to me.
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: Your will to live outshined anything else. You would not
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: be here if it were not for your will to
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: survive what you went through. And I barely understood what
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: I was saying when I said it. I know it now.
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: But it's true, okay? And that's the most poignant thing
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: about this whole thing is she saved herself. She had
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: a will to live. She had a will to go
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: through what she needed to go through. She trusted them
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: to save her. And they did. And she trusted them
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: to help her move on with her existence and go
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: somewhere where she could carry that out. And I've never
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: forgotten it my entire life. It is always with me,
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: always will be with me. Really cool.
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: That's very touching. It's fun. So... That reminds me of
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: another case that you talked about, because most people don't
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: go with them, but this does happen, right? Yes. You
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: talked about them picking up homeless people at times who
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: are basically not going to survive because this planet is
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: not caring for them. So can you talk a little
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: bit about a case like that or two?
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: People are an interesting... solution to life when you've been
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: dealt blow after blow after blow and had so much
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: taken away from you you pretty much sit on the
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: ground and wait to go you still have to eat
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: you still have to sleep you still have to do
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: the things you need to do to be alive while
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: you're here but they pretty much bury themselves in ashes
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: i think joe describes this the best sackcloth and ashes
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: i've had it all taken care away from me and
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: i'm just sitting here waiting to go i'm waiting on
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: the lord you know um They see this happening and
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: it's a travesty in their minds because nobody around them
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: cares enough about them or they think they do, but
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: they don't to pick them up and dust them off
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: and give them a new start to give them something
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: to start with. Sometimes they're so far gone, they'll never
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: do it. Some do. ET can hear you think. They
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: know your heart. They know what's going on with you mentally.
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: And they will pick one up Well, they pick all
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: of them up. They're always checking on everybody, but every
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: now and then one will come up that wants a bath,
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: that wants to sit and talk, that doesn't have any
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: regrets and have no recriminations. They don't hate anybody. They
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: love everybody despite their problems. and they really really are
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: interested in everything that's going on and that's the key
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: they look for that your humanity hasn't been lost in
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: your condition it's still with you and they will give
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: you opportunities at that point and they will tell you
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: we can give you something better than this you want
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: to go And they'll work with you until you can
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: achieve it with them. And there's a place for you
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: to go on standby to see if you can fulfill
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: what they're hoping you're going to fulfill so you can go. And, yes,
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: some homeless people just go poof. They disappear to us.
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: And nobody knows what happened to them. Well, ET's taken
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: them because they wanted to go with them. They gave
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: them opportunity.
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: You know?
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: Imagine.
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: You know, I do have other cases of people who are, like,
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: involved in disasters and wouldn't or couldn't be missed because, like,
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: the explosion of a volcano, the Nevado del Ruiz volcano
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: buried some 21,000 people under feet of mud. The contactee
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: I talked to was involved in a rescue of some
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: of these people. Yeah, they're not being brought back. And
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: most people aren't missed. They're rejected anyway, so.
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: You're going to see disasters on this planet where that's
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: occurred in this iteration. Yes. And they've always done that.
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: It's always been a given the choice. You want to go?
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: Let's go. Don't want to stay here. Come with us.
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: And a lot of people will say yes. Some of
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: those people actually said no. I guarantee you that whoever
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: was helping them go up ship saw one or two
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: walk away from it and go, you know, that has happened.
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: But most of them went and we're talking 20, 30,000
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: people at a time in those situations. Everybody was working
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: that night. I mean, they had people helping them. It
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: was such a big deal to get them off with
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: very little notice.
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: You hear about this with, you know, occasional plane crashes
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: or ships sinking. They never find some of the people.
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: And I think now we know why.
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: I'd like to talk about a few more healing cases.
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: As well, there was one case that we did cover
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: very briefly in the book. I really just mentioned one
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: sentence of it. So I was wondering about this one
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: where I guess you guys landed alongside a roadway and
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: a man driving by happened to see you and foolishly,
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: and this is how a lot of the so-called UFO
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: injuries occur, runs up to a very hot, essentially radioactive
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: device craft this is what's so interesting about the injuries
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: is if you look at them you categorize them most
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: of them look like accidents whereas the healings are clearly
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: intentional and this guy from what i remember you telling
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: me again it's just one sentence in the book saw
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: the craft and ran up to and got burned.
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: Yes he didn't even have to touch it he was
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: burned before he could put his hands on us uh
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: he got out he ran up the road toward the
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: craft we had just landed and it was a very
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: fast very quick landing When we come out of the atmosphere,
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: we're at least 4,000 degrees. No kidding. When you go
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: from plasma onto the ground.
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: It's hot.
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: Think about the space shuttle. When it comes down and
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: it lands, nobody can go near that thing for hours
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: and hours. It's hot, okay? Really hot. And we're radioactive
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: on top of it. And he ran up, and he
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: leaned back like this. I saw him going, and I went, oh, no,
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: he's too close. And he kept physically going forward, and
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: he just lay flat down on his back. He was
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: instantly irradiated. It burned him. And you don't leave that alone.
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: We picked him up. We had to. He was going
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: to die. And they took him in an emergency. And
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: he didn't stay until we got him to a mother
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: craft as fast as we could. Because he was in
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: a lot of trouble. He needed a lot of help.
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: And he was brought back after he was healed. And
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: he was put back just before we were there. Timeline speaking?
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah before he was there before we were there it's
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: a very close call and he woke up to seeing
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: us leaving so he saw something and then he saw
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: us leaving and that in his mind that's what he
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: remembers and uh.
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah well yeah that's interesting because i've talked to people
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: who were like see the craft there next thing they
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: know it's leaving yes so yeah that's very very interesting
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: and uh A good cautionary bit of wisdom.
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: Don't approach a craft. You don't know if it just
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: landed or not, ever. Just rule of thumb, no touching craft, period, ever, ever.
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: Don't get within 150 feet to 100 feet of it
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: until you know for sure that thing is cool and
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: somebody's opened a port and they're going, hey, how you doing? Don't.
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: No.
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: It's dangerous. It will kill you. Yeah.
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: Another thing I covered in one of my Not From
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: Here books was people who've shot at UFOs or, for
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: that matter, ETs.
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: Which usually doesn't have much of a reaction other than
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: it pinging off the craft and off the craft will go.
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: This is where they did actually beam the person back.
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: But you had this experience once.
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: We have a graviton wave shield around us, okay? What
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: gives us anti-graft is like a shield, okay? We're in it.
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: It protects us from everything, including incoming. And he had
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: a gun. He was standing there staring at us, watched
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: us come down, and I'm thinking, don't, just don't. We're
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: 500 feet away from him. We're 500, 600 feet. We
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: didn't even land yet. And he does this. He's got
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: his gut. You know, most hunters hold their guns, you know,
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: at their sides like this. And he's got his hand
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: down around the trigger, you know, holding it. And he
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: literally did this. He took his other hand. I don't
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: know if you can see me or not. He slid
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: it forward and shot at us. And I'm thinking, please
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: let it ricochet away. No, it went straight into his thigh.
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: It came off the shield and right back into him.
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: This is bad because it got radioactive the second it
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: hit the shield and then it went into his thigh.
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: And he went straight to his ass. He sat down
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: with the gun. He tried to lift the gun again
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: and then thought better of it. And that's when we
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: took him out and we got him out of there
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: as fast as we could. We left the gun on
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: the ground and we took him away and fixed his
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: leg and put him back. Yeah.
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: And was he left with any memory of what happened?
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: Yes. We didn't let him forget that one. It's like
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: a dream to him. He was, he was talked to
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: about it when he was there. He was very belligerent
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: at first. What do you think I was going to do?
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: I was going to shoot it. You're crazy. You know,
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: that's not a good idea. Very bad idea. The armies
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: of this planet can't hit one and kill it. They
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: like to make you think that they can shoot you down.
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: And it's not true that you cannot hurt them. The
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: only reason that they crash is because they've lost the
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: magnetic resident line that they're surfing you know skiffing and
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: yeah they'll go down and it's how it's not paying
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: attention and or totally loses the line and they go
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: down it's an unpleasant experience once in a blue moon
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: something bad will happen on a craft like anything nothing
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: is 100% or fail safe and one will crash because
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: of that but that's way you know 0.0000001 you know
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: Not that often. It's mostly the magnetism of this planet
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: is screwed up and they go down. So yeah.
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: So those are some of the healings and stuff. There's
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: a couple of other incidents that we did mention in
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: the book, which I thought were so touching. Because they
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: do come down and counsel people who are in bad situations.
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: You talked about one time where a gentleman was on
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: death row. I wonder if you could talk a little
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: bit about That incident or that type of incident?
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: Everybody is capable of making great mistakes in their lives.
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: Everybody is capable of cracking or breaking down. And a
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: lot of that goes on these days because we're being
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: messed with. Our brains are being messed with, you know, magnetically.
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: And DNA has a lot of reason to do with that.
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: This man's family was known to them. He was a
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: contactee all his life. He was somebody that they cared
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: about greatly. They respected him and his life. And they
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: thought that it would be important for him to at
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: least have somebody to confess to and maybe try to
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  Speaker 2: work through what happened to him. We don't always give
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: people those opportunities. We like to think we do, but
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: we don't. And give him a forum in which he
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: could let it all hang out and understand what he
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: was facing and why. And they did. They took him
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: up and they counseled him through what was about to
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: happen to him. They couldn't stop it, but they gave
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: him the opportunity to be stopped sure that he would
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: not only move on through the university.
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: All right. Sorry about that. We had a brief interruption
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: with the internet, but we're back now. So sorry about that, Dolly.
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  Speaker 1: As you were talking about the death row inmate who
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: was facing the last death of his life and the
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: ETs brought him on board and were counseling him, giving
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: him the opportunity to talk about what he was facing,
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: the end of his life and all of that. So
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: you pretty much got through most of it, I think,
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: but if you had anything else you wanted to say
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: about it.
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: They gave him a connection to them to the end
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: of his physical life. In other words, he didn't go alone.
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: They were with him and they were waiting for him
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: on the other side. They have that ability to do that.
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: They can OB as well as we can. And they
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: gave him that reassurance. They felt like after counseling with
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: him and understanding that he knew why he did what
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: he did and he understood it, that they would not
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: let him alone. He was alone before that and they
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: did not want him to be. It's a great lesson
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: in that.
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: These are such wonderful examples, which is why I think
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: it's important that people know that this is what is
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: really going on. People are being taken on board. And
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: one really good final example I'd like to bring up, which, again,
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: I found so touching. You talked about this doctor who
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: had spent their whole life in service of humanity, and
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: I believe was over 100. When they brought him on board,
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: it was sort of a celebration of his life and
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: the service he had given to humanity. So many people
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: who are taken on board are doing good work for humanity.
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: I see a lot of people who are doctors, nurses
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: like yourself, social workers, people working for animals, animal rights,
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: preservation of our environment, social workers, musicians, good people who
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: are working hard. This is who the ETs are helping
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: because these are the people who are helping others. And
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: that's true about this gentleman. So I wonder if you
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: could talk about what happened when he was brought on board.
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  Speaker 2: He was a much younger woman than I am now.
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: I was in my early 30s. And he was 104
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: years old when I met him, when he came up.
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: And this was a special trip. And I was warned
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: that he would be the only one that day. And
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: I was not prepared to hear his whole story. And
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: when I did, I was... unbelievably driven to my knees
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: emotionally over this. He lived his life out as a man.
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: 104 years my senior. I was only 32 or 33
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: when I met him. So 70 years before that, he
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: had no way of being a doctor as a female.
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: Could not, would not. He was intelligent. He was able
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: to make all the grades. And he lived his life
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: as a male for this reason. And nobody knew, nobody
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: on this planet knew that he wasn't a male. He
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: worked very hard at it. Those few that did kept
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: a secret because of who he was. He never married.
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: He never had children. He gave of himself. He never
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: tried to be famous or an expert at anything. He
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: just cared about people. And he was a good, good doctor.
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: EP has known about him his whole life and honored
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: him and wanted him to know that they wanted to
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: honor him. They were honoring his good work and service
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: to humanity. I mean, think about it. All of us
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: should feel this way about humanity, all of us. They
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: gave him the greatest gift you can get. They gave
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: of their minds. They opened up to him and they
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: let him see what he was going to go to.
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: because there was no way they were going to lose
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: him one way or the other. They were going to
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: help him have the decision where he wanted to go.
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: By the time he got to them and they showed
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: him these things, his decision was that he wanted to
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: move on, that he wanted to go ahead to the
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: next step in his evolution. He knew he had a
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: chance to live again somewhere else, but he had no
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: family to hold him or hold his interest here in
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: any way. And so they promised they would be with
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: him and they would hold him true and they would
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: walk him through the process as well, like the man
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: in death row. And they celebrated his life while he
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: was on board. He was taken to a few places.
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: He was shown what he wanted to see. He was
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: given their hearts. Everything. Wow.
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: So touching. Yeah. Well, I think this is a good
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: place to end it because I know you have more
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: examples of people who've been taught, guided, healed, rescued. Even
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: you yourself have had some healings and amazing incidents, but
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: I think we can save that perhaps for another time.
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: That was covered in the book, but none of these
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: incidents that we've talked about were covered to the detail
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: I think we covered here today. I really want to
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: thank you for sharing these amazing experiences and One thing
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: I have heard from many contactees is the same message.
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: And when you brought it up, I'm like, wow, here
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: it is again, which is they will tell people you
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: are us. We are you. We are all one. We
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: come from the same place. And to hear you say
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: that as well, it's like, wow. So I think this
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: shows us, you know, really what the purpose for onboard
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: UFO encounters are. As I said, they're here to guide, help, heal, teach.
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: Wake people up. So if you'd like to give some,
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: you know, any closing statements or anything else you want
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: to add to this subject of gathering the children, I
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: think that would be awesome. And yeah, just a good
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: way to wrap up this whole particular aspect of onboard
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: UFO encounters.
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: The truth is, is that we've always been with them.
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: We've always known them. And they've always known us. We've
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: known every creature in the universe. Literally, we are all
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: in source together and we all come out together to
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: live and to experience life and to learn and to
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: make ourselves wise and to ascend upward as we should.
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: We've been cut off here and ET has been in
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: a hard position here with this. And people want us
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: to be helped by them. And that's all well good.
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: And they do help us as much as they can.
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: But we all have to be willing to meet them
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: at least more than halfway. It is our autonomy. It
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: is our right to do that which we need to
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: do for ourselves. You can't be anything unless you yourself
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: are that. That you be that yourself. You learn it yourself.
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: You wear everything you know. Everything. Please remember that. Please
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: remember that everybody is doing the same thing you're doing
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: and that we should help one another. We should love
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: our brothers. We should love them unequivocally. Every great master
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: who's ever been on this planet and said anything to
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: any of us about anything have all said the same thing.
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: Love one another. Love is freedom. Love is the way.
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: That's what I have to say.
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: Well, that's perfect.
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: Thanks so much, Dolly. And such a joy always to
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: talk to you and present your information and your experiences
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: in this kind of format. And I know people love
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: it because these episodes always do really well. For those
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: who are listening, this is part five of the series.
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: And you'd like to, you know, probably be a good
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: idea if you haven't checked out the other four to
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: check those out because I think they'll, help make more
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: sense of what we're talking about here today. So thanks
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: very much, Dolly. I truly appreciate it. And I'd like
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: to do some more in the future. I know you
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: have a lot more to share. And one of these days,
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: I really want to do a live Q & A
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: because people are asking.
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: That would be fun. Okay.
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: All right. Awesome. All right. Well, I guess bye for now.
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: And thanks very much, Dolly. You're welcome.
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: Bye.
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: Thanks, everyone. I hope you've enjoyed this episode of UFOs
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: and the Paranormal. Again, this is part five of my
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: interviews with Dolly Safran. Her experiences are covered in my book, Symmetry,
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: A True UFO Adventure. And I think I'm going to
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: have to write another book with you, Dolly. Okay. Honestly,
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: I keep hearing about experiences that we haven't even touched on. Yep.
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: And I want to do several more interviews. So thanks, everyone.
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: Hope you've enjoyed it. Keep asking questions. Keep searching for
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: the truth. And leave fear behind. And most importantly, keep
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: having fun. Bye, everyone.