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Normally Podcast: Left Wing Media Reacts to the Trump Victory · Normally

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Speaker 1: Hey guys, and welcome to Normally. This is the show
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Speaker 1: with normalist takes for when the news gets weird.
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Speaker 2: I am Mary Catherine.
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Speaker 3: Hamp and I am Carol Markowitz.
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Speaker 4: And the news is actually extra weird right now, extra
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Speaker 4: super weird. And this NBC is like reacting so well
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Speaker 4: to the chrump when they're doing just great.
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Speaker 2: What do you think?
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Speaker 1: I mean, their ratings were really good, partly because I
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Speaker 1: think a lot of people tuned in.
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Speaker 2: To watched the reaction, more.
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Speaker 1: People than usual, and I think both in media circles
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Speaker 1: and in liberal activist circles. But I sort of repeat myself.
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Speaker 1: You know they're processing and it's going to take a minute.
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Speaker 1: There's I think I want to kick us off with
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Speaker 1: one clip of a sort of liberal activist woman on
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Speaker 1: TikTok who sort of embodies some of the reactions in
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Speaker 1: that world online things you may be seeing on your
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Speaker 1: Facebook page. Let's hear a little bit from her.
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Speaker 5: don't need it right now, just keep it on your shelf.
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Speaker 1: I picked her because she's hitting all the marks of
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Speaker 1: the hysteria without actually yelling, which for an audio podcast
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Speaker 1: I just didn't want to do to you guys.
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Speaker 3: We'll have plenty of that later.
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Speaker 1: By the way, I love the idea that the government,
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Speaker 1: which like can't do rural broadband, is going to also
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Speaker 1: track my period like I have tracked my peerents as
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Speaker 1: I was fortunate, Like I haven't figured it out yet.
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Speaker 3: Right there were the app I was like, what are
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Speaker 3: these kids doing? Amazing?
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Speaker 4: And you know, we have lost elections before we I
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Speaker 4: you know, my first election that I voted was nineteen
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Speaker 4: ninety six. I've lost basically all, you know, but a
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Speaker 4: few in there. I was never like, grab all the
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Speaker 4: algebra books. They're taking away algebra from eighth graders, like,
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Speaker 4: because that's the equivalent here, that's the thinking process here.
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Speaker 3: It is somebody damaged this person, Somebody.
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Speaker 2: Made her afraid of things.
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Speaker 4: That she shouldn't be afraid of, and now she's spreading
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Speaker 4: that fear to other people.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think in ironically it's often sort of projection.
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Speaker 1: She would likely tell you that Trump won based on
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Speaker 1: fear while she's saying.
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Speaker 2: This, and.
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Speaker 1: It's just like you, she's also spreading misinformation, man, like
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Speaker 1: the idea that that that any of this is coming
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Speaker 1: to an end in any kind of way. I had
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Speaker 1: an old acquaintance who was offering to to marry same
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Speaker 1: sex couples before January, and I was like, do y'all
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Speaker 1: know that he's never opposed like ever yeah, ever, right.
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Speaker 4: I keep saying this, but my opposition to Trump in
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Speaker 4: the past has been that he was a moderate and
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Speaker 4: I was a conservative. So I'm confused that these people
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Speaker 4: who are on the left and or and or moderates
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Speaker 4: think that he's going to be some kind of right winger.
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Speaker 4: He never has been ever, ever, ever, ever, And he's
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Speaker 4: very malleable.
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Speaker 3: He's very open and convincing.
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Speaker 4: He I thought that the Democrats missed a lot of
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Speaker 4: opportunities in the first term to talk.
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Speaker 3: Him into stuff.
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Speaker 1: Now I get purprise.
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Speaker 2: Respected.
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Speaker 4: I hope that he doesn't take their conversations, but he
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Speaker 4: will because.
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Speaker 3: He likes so to do that.
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Speaker 1: Kim Kardashian walks through the office and is like, you
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Speaker 1: should work on pardoning people's slash criminal justice reform, and
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Speaker 1: he's like, maybe I will.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Like that is yep.
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Speaker 4: I always say, Kim Kardashian understood the process more than
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Speaker 4: Senate you know, our House Democrats did. So who is
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Speaker 4: to blame for the Donald Trump win? Well, it's the
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Speaker 4: voter's Mary Catherine, those dastardly voters. They voted for the
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Speaker 4: wrong person. And Harris actually ran a flawless campaign. According
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Speaker 4: to the media, flawless, there were no mistakes.
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Speaker 6: And I think it's important to say that, you know,
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Speaker 6: anyone who has experienced or been in the United States
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Speaker 6: for any period of time and experience this country's history
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Speaker 6: and knows it cannot have believed that it would be
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Speaker 6: easy to elect a woman president, let alone a woman
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Speaker 6: of color.
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Speaker 3: Let's just be.
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Speaker 6: Clear, and nothing that was true yesterday about how flawlessly
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Speaker 6: this CA paign was run is not true now. I mean,
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Speaker 6: this really was an historic, flawlessly run campaign. She had
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Speaker 6: Queen Latifa never endorses anyone. She came out of doors,
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Speaker 6: you know. I mean, she had every prominent celebrity voice.
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Speaker 6: She had, she had the Taylor Swifty to the Swifties,
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Speaker 6: she had the beehive like, you could not have run
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Speaker 6: a better campaign in that short period of time. And
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Speaker 6: I think that's still.
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Speaker 4: True, and with a straight face they say that.
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Speaker 1: And this is one of those things where the overlap
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Speaker 1: of democratic activism and media is bad for them, because
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Speaker 1: what the Democratic Party actually needed was to run a primery.
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Speaker 1: What I actually needed was to focus on the fact
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Speaker 1: that Joe Biden was not for the job. Probably back
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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty one, twenty two and that they were
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Speaker 1: going to have to have a runway to something else.
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Speaker 2: They didn't do that.
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Speaker 1: Right well, Kamala Harris. Kamala Harris and the entire party
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Speaker 1: were part of covering that up. The media was part
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Speaker 1: of covering that up, which is why she had one
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Speaker 1: hundred and seven day opportunity which.
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Speaker 2: Was very short.
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Speaker 1: And also like both the party and the candidate need
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Speaker 1: to take responsibility for this. I was James Carville, who's
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Speaker 1: very emotional but still rational, said the other day, like
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Speaker 1: on the View, when she was asked what would you
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Speaker 1: do differently than Joe Biden? She couldn't come up with
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Speaker 1: an answer. Yeah, And this is the important part. That's
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Speaker 1: the only question she existed to answer. That's that's fall
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Speaker 1: And I think if you can't do that, you have
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Speaker 1: what can you do?
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Speaker 4: Queen Latifa is not going to save you.
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Speaker 3: Also, how much was Queen Latifa paid?
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Speaker 4: Because the other part of this is that apparently the
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Speaker 4: Harris campaign ran through a billion dollars and spent that
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Speaker 4: on utter nonsense.
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Speaker 3: They paid Oprah Winfrey.
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Speaker 4: A million dollars to show up a million dollars to
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Speaker 4: Oprah Winfrey.
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Speaker 3: She didn't do it for free.
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Speaker 4: Like I'm sorry, that's a really bad sign for you.
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Speaker 4: And I'm wonder if, like other celebrities got paid or
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Speaker 4: didn't get paid and now they hear this like.
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Speaker 3: Oh, I was supposed to get paid for that.
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Speaker 4: Also, she spent four four, one hundred thousand dollars a
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Speaker 4: day to put her face on the Las Vegas form.
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Speaker 4: Oh man, I'm trying that that's the official fear for
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Speaker 4: at this sphere. Why why what is that? I mean,
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Speaker 4: what a terrible use of money. And I'd be so
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Speaker 4: mad right now. If I was a donor to the
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Speaker 4: Kamala Harris campaign, I would say, this is what you
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Speaker 4: spent money on, and she'd build out that call her
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Speaker 4: daddy set in a hotel room for one hundred thousand dollars. Why,
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Speaker 4: I was the worst set I've ever seen my you know,
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Speaker 4: I showed it to my kids. We were all like,
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Speaker 4: I could do that for three hundred bucks.
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Speaker 2: Right, I mean it was.
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Speaker 1: It was truly like a two hundred dollars bill at
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Speaker 1: TJ Max that would have.
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Speaker 4: Like read fake books and some like pots.
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Speaker 1: And I have some experience with that, like I could
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Speaker 1: do with Oh okay, so you can get it for
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Speaker 1: like a hundred now it's really it's really wild. And
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Speaker 1: I think the idea was because she was this, She
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Speaker 1: was a commodity, she was a prepackaged thing. She wasn't
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Speaker 1: a person, and so so it was just like, put
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Speaker 1: cool things around her, put cool people around her, send
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Speaker 1: the signals that she is cool. Looks on the spirit,
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Speaker 1: that's a cool thing. Beyonce's cool. That's a cool thing
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Speaker 1: like And it just didn't hit voters in any way
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Speaker 1: about the things they cared about.
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Speaker 3: Now, they were like, you know, it would be cool.
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Speaker 4: How about reducing the price of eggs.
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Speaker 1: That would be cool. I feel like that's cool. Well,
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Speaker 1: and then some of the reaction to the election has
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Speaker 1: of course been to lecture them about how they shouldn't
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Speaker 1: vote based on their economic self interest. Are they letting that,
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Speaker 1: letting whether you could afford groceries cloud your judgment.
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Speaker 4: When there's so many more important issues than feeding your family.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's not a winning message for them.
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Speaker 1: I think they're not quite so coping with this yet.
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Speaker 1: But one of the things I would say to my
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Speaker 1: Democratic counterparts is that you lost.
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Speaker 2: Your own people.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, right, those are the people who left.
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Speaker 2: I think.
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Speaker 1: Someone said they were focused on Republicans who left the
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Speaker 1: Republican Party instead of on Democrats who were leaving the.
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Speaker 4: Different They were like, how about another Cheney?
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Speaker 7: And I think Democrats while I call yeah, because again
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Speaker 7: Trump is a moderate and so he was able to
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Speaker 7: unite people from both sides of the aisle and they
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Speaker 7: were able to support him without really compromising that much.
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Speaker 7: Actually it may have been Jensaki that said that, some
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Speaker 7: good thinking Jensaki. The other thing, can I note that
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Speaker 7: women are doing? And it goes into our next subject.
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Speaker 2: Is this four bu movement?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, which apparently the name comes from a fringe South
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Speaker 1: Korean feminist movement, so it debuted in the late twenty tens.
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Speaker 1: It's for B because B is a shorthand for the
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Speaker 1: word no in Korean.
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Speaker 2: So good a session. No sex, no dating, no marrying men,
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Speaker 2: no children.
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Speaker 1: Right, so that's one of the directives from.
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Speaker 4: I thought they were already doing that, right.
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Speaker 2: I don't know.
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Speaker 1: This is this type of I'm gonna call it hysterical disengagement.
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Speaker 1: I don't think it's going to help anyone win anymore elections.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, it doesn't move any votes, right, No, one's like
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Speaker 4: this is cool, this sounds amazing. I will join these women,
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Speaker 4: or I voted for Donald Trump, but now that I
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Speaker 4: see this, I will rethink that vote. There's not a
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Speaker 4: single person doing that, which is what the goal is.
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Speaker 4: I think if they thought about that, like the goal
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Speaker 4: is not to rage, the goal is not to punish, the.
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Speaker 3: Goal is not any of that.
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Speaker 4: The goal is to next time get more votes than
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Speaker 4: the other guy, they might rethink this strategy.
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Speaker 3: But I don't think any of these people are.
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Speaker 4: Thinking that far ahead. In fact, I think they think
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Speaker 4: that the country's over and democracy has ended and all
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Speaker 4: of that. Again, I don't remember taking to my bed
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Speaker 4: when John McCain lost, or Mitt Romney or you know,
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Speaker 4: Donald Trump last time, or any of that.
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Speaker 1: So I think that if it were my kids.
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Speaker 4: I'd say, I'm sorry you suffered this electoral loss.
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Speaker 1: Get over it and go to school. That's it.
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Speaker 3: Get out of that.
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Speaker 1: Oh well, that's another thing. By the way, our friend
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Speaker 1: Bethany Mandel wrote in the New York Post about moms
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Speaker 1: who are who clearly have scared the mess out of
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Speaker 1: their children over this.
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Speaker 2: Dad's too.
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Speaker 1: There's at least one dad mentioned, And this is an
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Speaker 1: ongoing problem from COVID to now where it's like, yeah,
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Speaker 1: it's the you need to stand in the breach for
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Speaker 1: your children. If you are scared of something, you can
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Speaker 1: you have perspective about it, right, Sometimes pretend you're not scared.
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Speaker 4: Dads on airplanes, yeah, considering the stability.
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Speaker 1: Them like, no, no, it's fine.
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Speaker 3: The crash. I totally think we're getting as you see.
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Speaker 1: Good for you, Carol, I thank you doing what you
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Speaker 1: need to do.
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Speaker 3: We'll be right back on normally.
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Speaker 4: When Donald Trump won the first time, we were living
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Speaker 4: in Brooklyn and my daughter was going to school in Manhattan.
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Speaker 4: She was in first grade, and I remember I stayed
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Speaker 4: up all night because when a shop to the system,
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Speaker 4: I had no id. You know, I did not think
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Speaker 4: he had any chance at all. It was unbelievable. She
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Speaker 4: wakes up in the morning and I kind of knew
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Speaker 4: what it was going to be like for her. In
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Speaker 4: New York City, the kids were going to be upset,
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Speaker 4: and they were. They were crying children in her class.
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Speaker 4: But just to praise my own parenting, I was like, hey,
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Speaker 4: I just want to tell you Donald Trump won. And
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Speaker 4: she looked at me and she's like, one what, she
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Speaker 4: was unaware he was running for anything, So oh, yeah,
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Speaker 4: that's how you the kids. First graders should be a
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Speaker 4: one what conversation, m H.
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Speaker 1: I like, my kids knew there's a presidential election going on.
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Speaker 1: They had a sort of they were underwhelmed by Kamala Harris,
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Speaker 1: but not because of me, Honestly. I let them just
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Speaker 1: listen to her, and they thought Donald Trump was sort
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Speaker 1: of funny, which actually is sort of a lesson for Democrats.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, be sort of funny about.
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Speaker 2: Why this went the way it went.
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Speaker 1: And I go, I always go back to the Harris
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Speaker 1: walls obviously. Yeah, if that is your take, you can't
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Speaker 1: convince anybody who might think something different.
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Speaker 2: That's it. So I think that's a problem for them.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Can I also note, and I'm not going to
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Speaker 1: play the clip because it's too graphic, but there's one
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Speaker 1: one young woman it suggested that her revenge would be
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Speaker 1: throwing dirty sanitary products at the trucks of the men
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Speaker 1: who had caused this calamity man and I just had
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Speaker 1: a thought about that because she's like, Oh, they'll be
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Speaker 1: so horrified if they if they really want to control
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Speaker 1: our bodies, then you'll see.
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Speaker 2: What it's really like.
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Speaker 1: Right, every single college educator feminists has clogged a toilet at.
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Speaker 2: Some point doing the wrong thing.
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Speaker 1: And do they think it was college educated feminist plumbers
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Speaker 1: who came.
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Speaker 2: To clean that out?
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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that's a really.
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Speaker 1: I just I just don't think you're gonna surprise them,
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Speaker 1: that's right.
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Speaker 2: Is that too much for the show? Sorry, everybody?
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Speaker 4: I mean, I think that's an excellent point. It wasn't
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Speaker 4: actually the feminists doing the plunging in there.
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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, well I don't think you were in college
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Speaker 1: and messed that up.
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Speaker 3: Okay, yep.
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Speaker 4: The other thing is that white women are getting the
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Speaker 4: brunt of the complaints about what went wrong here from
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Speaker 4: the left. I'm talking progressive white women, not us, because
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Speaker 4: we're like, hah yeah, maybe it was our fault.
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Speaker 3: No, no, progressive white women.
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Speaker 4: And we're not going to play another joy read clip
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Speaker 4: because we have another one for later and that's just
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Speaker 4: too much joy read for any show. But she is like,
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Speaker 4: I'm not joining you or you know, resistance this time,
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Speaker 4: no pink hats this time for us. Black women are
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Speaker 4: sitting that out. And then another another clip I saw
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Speaker 4: on Instagram had this openly gay man talking about how
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Speaker 4: him and his husband now have to think about where
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Speaker 4: they're gonna live and whether the marriage is gonna be valid,
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Speaker 4: which again not a thing. And how white women like,
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Speaker 4: we're gonna wear blue bracelets to signal that they were
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Speaker 4: allies and the keep at such a wrong move for
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Speaker 4: them to do because if you were really an ally,
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Speaker 4: you wouldn't need the bracelet. I'm just like these white
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Speaker 4: women liberals keep the lift this way. I don't know
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Speaker 4: do they think when they hear these kinds of like attacks,
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Speaker 4: like real attacks on their character and on their person,
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Speaker 4: are they like, oh, they don't make me or do
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Speaker 4: they just take it?
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Speaker 1: I think they take it, and I think there is
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Speaker 1: there's a certain sub section that enjoys it, right Like there,
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Speaker 1: I saw one woman speaking, of course straight to camera
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Speaker 1: because all these selfie videos or all selfie videos, you
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Speaker 1: gotta set it up before you cry. And she's like,
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Speaker 1: she's like, it's not for you to decide whether you're
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Speaker 1: safe for black and brown women, It's for them to decide.
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Speaker 1: And it's like this self flagellation is so stuck in
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Speaker 1: twenty twenty. Yeah, and I think people are done.
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Speaker 2: With it, and I'd be so.
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Speaker 6: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Emo reactions are not a small part of what was
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Speaker 1: rejected onto it, right Yeah, And.
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Speaker 3: You can never be right.
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Speaker 4: It's a circular firing squad. As I like to say,
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Speaker 4: that circular firing squad. They never miss they always hit somebody.
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Speaker 4: So if you're in that squad, like, maybe take a
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Speaker 4: step out, because it's going to be you one day.
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Speaker 4: Yeah it's white liberal.
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Speaker 3: Women today, but it could be anybody at any time.
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Speaker 4: Black men have been targeted for for that circular firing squad.
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Speaker 4: Occasionally they don't do enough of you know, black men,
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Speaker 4: I've heard or the white men of black people.
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Speaker 2: That's literally some thing people used to say.
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Speaker 4: And you know, so if you're in that leftist circular
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Speaker 4: firing squad, like, just no, they're going to come for
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Speaker 4: you eventually.
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Speaker 3: It might not be you today, but it will be sometime.
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Speaker 1: And a lot of people that used to be doing
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Speaker 1: that have and we're in your coalition have opted out.
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Speaker 2: As a result, by the.
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Speaker 1: Latino men are getting a lot of you know, men
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Speaker 1: and women are getting a lot of blowback because those
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Speaker 1: demographics moved toward Trump. But every demographic moved to toward
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Speaker 1: Trump except for college educated white women. I believe it's
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Speaker 1: the that's the one that no, I.
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Speaker 4: Think it's I think it's all women because black women
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Speaker 4: also did not move for Trump.
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Speaker 1: So so like the number of demographics that moved toward
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Speaker 1: Trump that are people you consider allies.
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Speaker 2: That should be in your coalition.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so far out numbers those who moved toward the
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Speaker 1: Democratic Party. That's the thing you need to think about.
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Speaker 1: Did you see the stat that was like some exit
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Speaker 1: polling that sixty plus percent of American Indians very.
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Speaker 4: That's so good, every one of those like, you know,
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Speaker 4: and this person's unsafe, and that person's unsafe, and Indigenous
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Speaker 4: people are unsafe, and Indigenous people are like, we're going
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Speaker 4: to be over here now.
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Speaker 2: It's really amazing.
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Speaker 1: I do think the again I said, I'd like a
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Speaker 1: decisive victory no matter what happens.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, And this one was so decisive.
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Speaker 1: Across the board that I think it is going to
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Speaker 1: force a lot of people on the left to reckon
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Speaker 1: with it eventually, I will. I'll take another couple of
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Speaker 1: losses before that.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know.
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Speaker 4: I mean another point of data. Forty eight states moved
18:39
Speaker 4: to the right, all but Utah and Washington State. And
18:43
Speaker 4: what I heard about Utah is that it was so
18:45
Speaker 4: on the right that there wasn't just that much space
18:48
Speaker 4: to move to the right, So I'm what you need
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Speaker 4: to do.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, you can't just all least so far.
18:53
Speaker 2: You can go.
18:55
Speaker 4: So yeah, forty eight states moved to the right, including
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Speaker 4: California and New York.
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Speaker 1: Because it's gonna be some soul searching.
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Speaker 3: I again don't know that there will be, but let's hope.
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Speaker 1: A notable I don't know if I said this on
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Speaker 1: the last podcast, but that that referendum that increased about
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Speaker 1: initiatives that increased punishments for shoplifting and drug offenses in
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Speaker 1: California passed at like seventy plus percent all over the state.
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Speaker 1: And meanwhile, Gavin Newsome future of the Democratic Party is like,
19:25
Speaker 1: I am ready to resist the Trump administration. It's like,
19:30
Speaker 1: I'm not sure that your state is ready for that.
19:32
Speaker 1: I think I told you that they're resisting you, right,
19:36
Speaker 1: liberal governance in their towns.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, well, this is all shaping up to be a
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Speaker 4: really happy Thanksgiving. That's the country. I think families are
19:46
Speaker 4: getting ready to hopefully not be at each other's throats.
19:50
Speaker 4: But it certainly seems like the media, particularly MSNBC and CNN,
19:56
Speaker 4: are setting it up that perhaps they want to encourage
20:00
Speaker 4: people to argue with their Trump relatives Joy Reid. Second
20:04
Speaker 4: clip from her Today had on a psychologist, and she
20:06
Speaker 4: asked her if the psychologist recommends being around those awful
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Speaker 4: family members who voted differently than you did.
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Speaker 6: How do you interact with people who you know voted
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Speaker 6: for this right if you are an LGBTQ person and
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Speaker 6: you know someone in your family voted essentially against your rights,
20:21
Speaker 6: or you're a woman knowing that you know this man
20:23
Speaker 6: was calling people the B word. Jade Vance was literally
20:27
Speaker 6: calling Kamala Harris the trash and said we're going to
20:29
Speaker 6: take out the trash. I know a lot of black
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Speaker 6: women were incredibly triggered by that. And if you then
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Speaker 6: meet somebody and you know they voted for the people
20:37
Speaker 6: who called you trash, or if you're Puerto Rican, you
20:39
Speaker 6: know and you know someone voted that way, do you recommend,
20:43
Speaker 6: just from a psychological standpoint, being around them. We got
20:45
Speaker 6: the holidays coming up.
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Speaker 8: So I love that you asked this question because you
20:51
Speaker 8: know there is a push, I think just a societal
20:53
Speaker 8: norm that if somebody is your family, that they are
20:57
Speaker 8: entitled to your time. And I think think the answer
21:00
Speaker 8: is absolutely not. So if you are going to a
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Speaker 8: situation where you have family members where you have close
21:06
Speaker 8: friends who you know have voted in ways that are
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Speaker 8: against you, like what you said, against your livelihood, and
21:15
Speaker 8: it's completely fine to not be around those people and
21:18
Speaker 8: to tell them why, you know, to say I have
21:21
Speaker 8: a problem with the way that you voted because it
21:24
Speaker 8: went against my very livelihood and I'm not going to
21:26
Speaker 8: be around you this holiday. I need to take some
21:28
Speaker 8: space for me and I actually talk to you know,
21:31
Speaker 8: adults as well as advising parents for children. I mean,
21:36
Speaker 8: I think, you know, I don't think that you should
21:38
Speaker 8: force children. I don't think you should have forced adults
21:41
Speaker 8: to be around people just because they're your family. I
21:43
Speaker 8: think there's a level of, you know, need to establish boundaries.
21:47
Speaker 8: And if you feel like you need to establish boundaries
21:50
Speaker 8: with people, whether they're your family or not, I think
21:53
Speaker 8: you should very much be entitled to do so, and
21:55
Speaker 8: I think it may be essential for your mental health.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know.
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Speaker 4: I am of the don't split apart from your family
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Speaker 4: or your close.
22:05
Speaker 3: Friends do over politics.
22:07
Speaker 4: On X this account, this small account went viral for
22:10
Speaker 4: posting that people should cut off their family members. And look,
22:14
Speaker 4: you know, a small account on x saying something whatever,
22:17
Speaker 4: but that person got all of these comments, including from
22:20
Speaker 4: people who said they were cutting off their.
22:23
Speaker 3: Children and never seeing their grandchildren, and.
22:25
Speaker 4: It's just crushing. And I can't imagine what.
22:28
Speaker 3: My kids would need to believe.
22:29
Speaker 4: And I've made the joke like maybe you know, even
22:32
Speaker 4: if they come home in a Stalin shirt, I'll be like, h,
22:35
Speaker 4: he killed a lot of our family members. Please don't
22:37
Speaker 4: wear that. But I would never be like, and you're
22:39
Speaker 4: not welcome in my home. Belief is just that, and
22:43
Speaker 4: you can't and you shouldn't be cutting off family members
22:47
Speaker 4: for what they believe and who they voted for, families everything,
22:51
Speaker 4: And you know, I really think that people need to
22:54
Speaker 4: hear that, they need to hear that family is important
22:56
Speaker 4: and your politics are less important than that.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the people that folks should set healthy
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Speaker 1: boundaries with first are like joy read, you know, because
23:09
Speaker 1: because a lot of this truly, and I know that
23:12
Speaker 1: some people really are hurting. And I thought the same
23:14
Speaker 1: thing during COVID. I thought there were people who were
23:18
Speaker 1: really hurting who shouldn't have to be because a lot
23:21
Speaker 1: of things had been ginned up to make them very scared,
23:25
Speaker 1: and that.
23:25
Speaker 2: That was a systematic effort. And I didn't like that.
23:28
Speaker 1: And I know that yelling people yelling at people about
23:31
Speaker 1: their anxiety probably doesn't solve their anxiety, but like there
23:33
Speaker 1: needs to be some evaluation of how much of this
23:38
Speaker 1: angst is self inflicted, because if you're cutting off family members,
23:45
Speaker 1: I would suggest that you wait for Trump to like
23:48
Speaker 1: do something first, right, Yeah, that would if you. I
23:53
Speaker 1: actually heard somebody who had who is very on the
23:58
Speaker 1: never Trump side of the folks who the Republican Party
24:01
Speaker 1: over him, who said, like, yeah, I think one of
24:04
Speaker 1: the better things that we could do as never Trump
24:06
Speaker 1: people and that the media could do is actually evaluate
24:09
Speaker 1: what he does balls and joke.
24:12
Speaker 2: It's bold.
24:12
Speaker 1: It's a bold strategy, and I think it's one that
24:15
Speaker 1: many people should undertake, and it would keep them a
24:18
Speaker 1: little bit more between the navigational beacons because this is
24:23
Speaker 1: I get it. Look, you want to set some healthy boundaries.
24:26
Speaker 1: Sure that if you feel this way, the rest of
24:28
Speaker 1: your family is going to have a great time with
24:31
Speaker 1: you anyway. But like, it's very sad, like you say,
24:34
Speaker 1: I have plenty of friends of family who disagree with me,
24:37
Speaker 1: always have and they know it. I talk about it publicly,
24:42
Speaker 1: and you know, I.
24:44
Speaker 2: Just think it. It's very tragic to end up.
24:48
Speaker 4: Yeah, this place, we're going to take a short break
24:50
Speaker 4: and come right back with normally, But if you didn't
24:56
Speaker 4: talk politics with the people in your family that disagree
24:59
Speaker 4: with you. I mean, I always think about this, like,
25:02
Speaker 4: you guys are not solving anything. Nobody's solving anything at
25:05
Speaker 4: the Thanksgiving table, Like, oh okay, now that we have
25:07
Speaker 4: screamed at each other and ruined thingsgiving, things will be
25:11
Speaker 4: better in the country. Like that doesn't happen. So maybe
25:13
Speaker 4: just argue about you know, marshmallows on sweet potatoes, because
25:17
Speaker 4: I'm pretty in for that.
25:17
Speaker 6: Well.
25:18
Speaker 1: By the way, I would say that you're if you
25:20
Speaker 1: are a person of the left and who would like
25:22
Speaker 1: for the Democratic Party to win more elections, you're not
25:25
Speaker 1: helping by disengaging from the people that they need to
25:28
Speaker 1: woo back into the party.
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Speaker 3: Yep, especially people you love.
25:31
Speaker 1: Yes, those could be the people you might be most
25:34
Speaker 1: convincing with, right, So I think that's a bad idea
25:38
Speaker 1: of speaking of things that he's done. By the way,
25:40
Speaker 1: that might be interesting to those who are scared. Did
25:45
Speaker 1: you know that he named his chief of staff Carol
25:47
Speaker 1: That's right, Yeah, Jusey Wiles, Susie Wiles as chief staff.
25:51
Speaker 1: By the way, Trump has had now the first female
25:55
Speaker 1: campaign manager to win a presidential election. That was Kelly
25:59
Speaker 1: and Conway and Susie Wiles. The incoming chief of staff
26:02
Speaker 1: for the White House will be the first female chief
26:04
Speaker 1: of staff for the White.
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Speaker 3: Someone's like, you value women?
26:08
Speaker 4: Yeah, maybe he actually isn't anti women the way that
26:11
Speaker 4: they say, or are they wearing the like, you know,
26:15
Speaker 4: the the red outfit. I forgot what it's called.
26:17
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, the Handmaid's t handmaid Yeah, that's actually they're
26:20
Speaker 1: going to do. Any Liebowitz is going to do a
26:22
Speaker 1: photoshoot for Susie Wiles like she does for all liberal women,
26:24
Speaker 1: except she's going to require that Susie Will's wear the
26:27
Speaker 1: Handmaid's tail outfit.
26:30
Speaker 2: That's right.
26:31
Speaker 3: Well, I'm sure religious figures.
26:33
Speaker 4: Are saying what we're saying, right that perhaps don't argue
26:37
Speaker 4: with your families over Thanksgiving, don't cut people.
26:40
Speaker 3: Off or u and stuff like that.
26:43
Speaker 4: However, Jonathan Kapeart at MSNBC interviewed a bishop who is
26:48
Speaker 4: not saying that.
26:49
Speaker 3: That's roll the clip.
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Speaker 9: The thing that I'm grappling with is that someone was
26:55
Speaker 9: elected who ran a campaign that was openly hostile openly racist, xenophobic, misogynistic,
27:05
Speaker 9: transphob to everything. And yet now the election's over, folks
27:11
Speaker 9: accept the results. But now how do we How do
27:14
Speaker 9: we move forward when we know the people in you
27:18
Speaker 9: have people in their families who voted for him, They
27:20
Speaker 9: work with people who voted for him, They live next
27:23
Speaker 9: to people who voted for him.
27:25
Speaker 7: What do you.
27:28
Speaker 9: How do we how should we deal with those neighbors,
27:32
Speaker 9: co workers, family members.
27:34
Speaker 10: Well, first of all, we have to remain passionate about
27:37
Speaker 10: protecting these most vulnerable people. You're absolutely right. If this
27:43
Speaker 10: new president does half of what he says, there will
27:46
Speaker 10: be so many of them in danger. I think the
27:49
Speaker 10: way to move forward with in a family or in
27:52
Speaker 10: the whole culture is this. Every religion in the world
27:56
Speaker 10: has some version of do under others as you would
27:58
Speaker 10: have them do under you. Love your neighbor, even love
28:02
Speaker 10: your enemies. Those of us Christians have. And here's the trick.
28:06
Speaker 10: Loving has little to do with liking. You don't have
28:09
Speaker 10: to like someone to treat them like the child of
28:12
Speaker 10: God they are. You can argue with them, you can
28:14
Speaker 10: fight with them over all kinds of things, but you
28:18
Speaker 10: can't not treat them as a person of worth and
28:22
Speaker 10: respect that God que him to be.
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Speaker 4: He confirms, for kypart, that so many Americans are going
28:28
Speaker 4: to be in danger. I do not like that from
28:31
Speaker 4: a religious leader at all, but I guess that's the
28:34
Speaker 4: guy who.
28:34
Speaker 3: Goes on MSNBC.
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Speaker 1: Well, he comes back around at the enemies like you
28:38
Speaker 1: should treat people with respect, and I assume like it
28:41
Speaker 1: seemed quite clear that he included people who voted the
28:44
Speaker 1: way you didn't under that umbrella of God's love, which
28:48
Speaker 1: I appreciate, and Ky parts like Jack, can we go
28:53
Speaker 1: to someone else on this? I do think again part
28:57
Speaker 1: of this emotionalism and the reaction and to Trump, who,
29:01
Speaker 1: like Grant, it is a very unconventional candidate. I understand
29:04
Speaker 1: that people are not used to all. We should be
29:06
Speaker 1: used to it by now, but sure I understand that
29:08
Speaker 1: they're evaluating him in a way that is different from
29:10
Speaker 1: other candidates. That it can be jar but like when
29:14
Speaker 1: you freak out to this degree as they have been
29:18
Speaker 1: doing since twenty fifteen, people read, Okay, it's the end
29:23
Speaker 1: of the world, and then it wasn't the end of
29:24
Speaker 1: the world for forty years, and then they say he's
29:26
Speaker 1: Hitler and he doesn't look like Hitler.
29:28
Speaker 2: Because Hitler's just serving fries.
29:30
Speaker 1: And I just think that it creates this gap between
29:34
Speaker 1: what the leader telling people and what they experience in
29:37
Speaker 1: their real lives, and they're not buying it. And Jonathan
29:41
Speaker 1: Caepart is like a lead purveyor of the things that
29:43
Speaker 1: sharing are not.
29:44
Speaker 4: Buy Yeah, absolutely all of that is correct. I don't
29:50
Speaker 4: think any lessons will be learned. I think we're hopefully
29:54
Speaker 4: getting through to somebody with this, But I just I
29:57
Speaker 4: see them doubling down on the crazy for the next
29:59
Speaker 4: fe years and that's unfortunate.
30:02
Speaker 2: I think it won't go well for them.
30:03
Speaker 1: Although you know, as as noted, Trump will have to
30:08
Speaker 1: do things that earn him cred with the people who
30:11
Speaker 1: voted for Yeah, so that will be part of the
30:15
Speaker 1: formula as well. Can we note one last thing before
30:18
Speaker 1: we're done, a literal victory dance for Trump in the
30:22
Speaker 1: NFL this weekend? Is then it fell spelling?
30:25
Speaker 4: I thought after the Cowboys collapse, we're we're all done
30:28
Speaker 4: here or you just checked out?
30:30
Speaker 3: Yeah? I mean I is it still on TV? I
30:32
Speaker 3: thought they don't.
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Speaker 1: As a lion span an uncharacteristic couple of decent seasons.
30:36
Speaker 2: So no, So Nick Bosa, who is.
30:39
Speaker 1: A who plays for the forty nine ers.
30:43
Speaker 2: First this past week, he.
30:44
Speaker 1: Was fine eleven thousand dollars for violating league policy against
30:49
Speaker 1: displaying personal messages when he crashed an NBC postgame interview
30:54
Speaker 1: wearing a Maga Okay, right, so that was hender.
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Speaker 11: They usually fine people for political messages, Mary Catherine, I
31:01
Speaker 11: feel like there was a lot of political messaging for
31:03
Speaker 11: a while there that no one was fined for, so
31:06
Speaker 11: perhaps perhaps this was a new, newly implemented policy.
31:11
Speaker 1: So he gets fined, he says it's worth it.
31:13
Speaker 2: I don't care if they find me.
31:14
Speaker 1: Uh. And then at this week's game, he scores a
31:18
Speaker 1: touchdown and he joined by uh.
31:22
Speaker 3: Several teammates of color.
31:23
Speaker 1: I should note did be trump YMCA dance as his
31:27
Speaker 1: celebration dance, and you know what, they can't find him
31:30
Speaker 1: for that one's but I think that sort of encapsulates
31:36
Speaker 1: again this phenomenon where he wears a Maga hat. He's
31:40
Speaker 1: fined for his centrist to right leaning Maga views. The
31:46
Speaker 1: rules feel like they're different for other people. And then
31:50
Speaker 1: in the end a bunch of people join in in
31:52
Speaker 1: this goofy dance because they don't find Trump to be
31:56
Speaker 1: the threat that the people in charge have been telling them.
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Speaker 4: He is, yeah, Righty Trump should have just ran on
32:03
Speaker 4: He's not actually Hitler.
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Speaker 1: Was that the that was sort of the campaign, that
32:06
Speaker 1: was right, he did really run on that. Trump of
32:09
Speaker 1: course put on truth social in all caps. Nick Bosa
32:12
Speaker 1: is a great player.
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Speaker 3: Amazing that.
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Speaker 2: That's where were end for today.
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Speaker 3: I love it well.
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