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Tiffany Moon - Anesthesiologist & Author | A Doctor's Prescription for Joy & Fulfillment · Success Story with Scott Clary

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  Heart of my drive to succeed comes from knowing what it's like to be on the bottom.
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  As long as you're working for someone else, you're just switching your time for money.
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  Dr. Tiffany Moon is redefining success by blending science, style, and substance.
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  As a board-certified anesthesiologist and associate professor, she excels in medicine.
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  Beyond the hospital, she's an entrepreneur, founding Aromas Thesia Candles,
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  three moons wine, and the led her summit, a women's leadership conference.
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  You broke out of this good Asian daughter script. How did you break out of it?
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  The breakaway came at the age of 15. Because of my academic achievement, I was selected to go to
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  this early college entrance program. That was my break. How do you define joy?
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  I would define joy as being wholly present, not worrying about the future,
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  just having a feeling of not just happiness, but being content.
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  Through her memoir, joy prescriptions in her public presence, Dr. Moon champions authenticity,
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  encouraging others to embrace their multifaceted identities and pursue purpose-driven lives.
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  When you're open to it, life presents so many opportunities to you if you're just receptive.
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  Be a good person. So at the end of the day, if you're a good person and you can go to sleep at night
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  knowing that you did the best you could, everything else will fall into place.
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  Let's talk about this. So you arrived in America at the age six, not speaking any English.
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  So how did that shape your drive for perfection, for drive for trying to do more,
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  to be more, to build an incredible career? Those early days, what was that inflection point moment
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  that pushed you? Back then, I don't even think I was trying to do more, push more, be more.
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  I was just in survival mode, because you think about it. Like six-year-old little Chinese girl,
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  I get put on this plane. I landed JFK. I meet my parents whom I haven't seen in three years,
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  so I don't know these people. There's no FaceTime. It's like 1989.
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  And it was literally just survival. I mean, I started first grade in the middle of the school year.
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  It wasn't a great neighborhood. I got called all the names, all the Ching Chong things, playground,
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  bullying. I mean, kids are mean. It's first grade. So it was not great.
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  And I think part of my drive to succeed comes from knowing what it's like to be on the bottom,
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  and watching my parents struggle, and watching my mom have to clip coupons so that our groceries
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  could last the whole week. And just thinking, when I grow up, I want to be so successful
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  that I never have to worry about putting groceries on the table for my kids.
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  Your parents worked hard, though. They worked very hard. They worked their ruts off. Yeah.
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  So when you look at like hard work, it doesn't always equate to success.
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  It's true. So what do you think drove you to think differently about just a hard work? Because a
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  lot of people, they just try and emulate what their parents do, and they emulate just, I want to
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  put more hours in. Eventually, I'll make it. But you sort of operate a little bit differently.
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  I see that anyways. I see you. You're very strategic. You look for opportunities for leverage.
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  You look for opportunities to have like outsized exponential results. You've done that again and again
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  and again. So what sort of shaped your, I guess, your worldview around how you work?
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  I think I just have an entrepreneurial spirit. I think as long as you're working for someone else,
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  and it's just a JOB and you're just switching your time for money. And I did that. I did that
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  for over 10 years, trading my time for money, clocking in at the hospital, putting people to sleep,
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  taking care of patients. And it wasn't until I had children. And that was sort of like the straw
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  that broke the camel's back. You know, that I'm like, wait a second. I can't take vacation days
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  when my kids are off school because my PTO got denied. And if I don't go to work, I don't earn
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  money. And I thought, well, this not good. I can't, you know what I mean? But you have that
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  realization one day. And I'm like, I need to do something where I don't need to clock in every day
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  in order to make money. And also what happens if I get hurt? I got a really bad car accident. I
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  broke my wrist. I can't intubate with a broken wrist, you know what I mean? And it's just all these
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  things started flooding with me. And I said, I got to figure out something else. It's like diversifying
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  your portfolio. You can't all your money in one stock. I've had this conversation with a lot of
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  people because I don't have kids yet, but like hopefully very soon. And I'm always stressed because
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  I work so much now. I'm always on. And I'm like, okay, so then if I have kids, where do I find the
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  time for them if you're always on? But a lot of my really good friends, people that I really look
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  up to that are very successful. They keep telling me, well, when you have kids, you find time.
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  You start prioritizing things. And actually, ironically, when you have kids, kind of like what you
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  just mentioned, you start to realize what's important. So then you don't do all the other bullshit.
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  Yep. You really like you're like, I can't afford to anymore. Right. Yeah. Everything becomes a
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  is this better than being with my children right now. And if you already have a normal job,
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  all this bullshitting weekend, three hour brunches, I used to go with my girlfriends, bottomless
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  memoses, you know, I'd be on my like sixth memosa 2 p.m. on a Sunday, you know, and just sitting
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  around, shooting the shit, gossiping. And yeah, that was fun. But after you have kids, your priorities
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  really get aligned very quickly. You broke out of this good Asian daughter script. So what is the
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  good Asian daughter script? And that's what I was alluding to before. Like I always find it
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  interesting how your parents are such a big impression on you. But then also there's a point
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  where you have to break out of their model of who you are, their version of who you are. So was
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  their version of who you are, this good Asian daughter? What does that mean? And how did you break out
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  of it? Or why? Oh, I was the perfect Asian daughter. I never talked back to my parents. I made
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  straight A's. I always did the extra credit assignment. I was teacher's pet. I never got into any
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  trouble. I never had a boyfriend. I helped with the dishes at home. I actually swept and vacuumed
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  the floors on the weekends. I just like if you could have a model child that was just one level
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  above robot, that was the kind of child that I was. I just I did everything my parents wanted me to
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  because I felt so beholden to them that they had sacrificed their life in China to bring me to
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  America so that I could have a better life. And they told me this. This was not insinuated. They
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  said to me, if it were not for you, we would have just stayed in China. We came to America so that
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  you could have the opportunity for a better life. And look at us. We don't know the language here.
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  We speak with an accent. People make fun of us. We have lesser jobs here than we do in China. I mean,
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  my dad was the manager of a factory in China that employed over 200 workers. So he was like, you
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  know, head honcho like floor boss. And then here in America, you know, his his English skills are
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  very poor. He speaks with a heavy accent. And he's a computer programmer. He actually came to America
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  to study business management. But because his English was so bad, he changed his major to computer
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  science so that he wouldn't have to talk to people. That's not fair for them to put that on you. But
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  I didn't know that that wasn't fair. I internalized, you know, the words that they said. And to
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  me, in my, you know, six-year-old, eight-year-old, 12-year-old mind, I was beholden to them. Wow,
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  look at everything. Mommy and daddy sacrificed so that I could have a better life. I should be
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  better. I should not make a B. I should help clean the dishes after dinner. I should vacuum the
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  floor. I should never talk back. Like I just, I, I was in constant fear of disappointing my parents.
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  My dad, especially, he is just very difficult to please would be putting it nicely. Talk to me about
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  sort of early career separating a little bit from your parents, how that impacted you, how it
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  impacted life decisions, any of that. Yeah, I think the thing, the next thing that my dad was really
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  upset with was when I brought home a Korean boyfriend. I'm Chinese. So he's very strict. Yes. And
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  Korean, you know, like Asians are the most racist against other Asians. Like Koreans, Japanese,
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  Chinese, like to American people, it's all like, oh yeah, they're the same. They eat lots of
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  rice, have strict parents, right? Like it's all the same. No, like Chinese people don't like Koreans
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  in Japanese, Japanese people don't like anybody, but Japanese Koreans think they're at the top of the
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  total. Everyone thinks they're at the top. It's crazy. It's crazy. And I don't understand where
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  this comes from. But all I know is that when I brought home a Korean boyfriend to my Chinese dad,
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  he was pissed. What age was this? This was 2324. Okay. It was the year I graduated from medical school
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  that I met my now husband. And I was 23 when I graduated from medical school. So it must have
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  been around that time. And it's not like I'm some like, you know, 16-year-old prom date. Like Daddy,
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  this is, you know, Brad. I'm a freaking doctor. I'm 23 years old. I have an MD behind my name. And
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  I'm like, Dad, I want to tell you something like I kind of been seeing this guy. And then they
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  were super pissed because he had been previously married with two kids from that marriage and was
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  a decade older than me. And my dad just lost it. You know, what do you think? Okay. So all these
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  all these interactions with your family. And I think they cause like all these like little traumas.
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  I think they I think they cause little traumas like carry through your life. You have to be super
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  careful. If you if you don't address them, then it can impact everything and impact
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  relationship with your husband with your with your wife with your kids. So I don't love that he
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  keeps pushing you like your dad keeps pushing you farther and farther away. But you're not going
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  to change your life. You're going to keep building your life regardless. But what's the point
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  when you sort of reconcile those differences or in the meantime, when your dad pushes you away,
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  how does that impact your relationship? How does that impact your career? Does it all career?
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  Not so much because I'm doing exactly what he wanted me to do. You know, he wants to brag
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  with all his friends that I'm a successful anesthesiologist. He's always pimping me out to his
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  friends kids who want to go into medical school. So now I'm taking phone calls with like 18
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  year olds that want to know how to apply to go to medical school. And I'm like, don't you have a
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  guidance counselor? Like, why are you calling me? And then all his friends like not long ago,
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  his friend got diagnosed with liver cancer. So then he text me asking for a same day appointment
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  with an oncologist that I know the week of Christmas. And I'm like, this is an unreasonable request
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  father. And he's like, well, he's got cancer and you know, liver cancer grows quickly. And I was
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  like, Oh, it does. I didn't know that. Thank you for educating me about cancer father. I didn't
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  learn that in medical school. And he's like, you better call and get him an appointment. And I'm
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  like, it's not, I don't even know this, this your friend. Why don't you call and get an appointment.
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  So he always like leverages my relationships and expertise to help his friends, which I'm happy
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  to do. But it comes with a side of like, you better do this for me. It's it's not what he's asking
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  necessarily, but the way in which he does it, like I owe him something. So does that still go on
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  to this day? Yeah, you know, I've done a lot. I keep asking you if you're if you fix the
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  relationship, but it still sounds like it's not fixed. It's not fixed. And I just had lunch recently
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  with my mother. And I kind of told her I said, you know, I went on a women's retreat not too long ago.
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  And we did a lot of work on boundary setting, like boundaries is like a very, you know,
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  in thing right now. And I was like, you know, why have no boundaries? Because they were never
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  modeled to me as a child. My parents, they have no boundaries. They work all the time. And they
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  don't have boundaries with each other. They don't have social boundaries. And I'm like, I'm really
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  going to work this year on on setting some boundaries. And one of them is distancing myself
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  from him a little bit. Because every time we interact, I leave the interaction feeling
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  not good enough, pissed off, emotionally drained. And all those childhood traumas just flood me again.
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  In spite of that, how do you find joy? How did you find joy? How did you overcome these traumas?
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  How did you not let it impact your relationship with your husband and your your relationship with
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  people in your life? You know, I think I'm good at compartmentalizing. You know, I'm able to put
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  things in salads, which is also great for work because I work at a level one trauma hospital. I
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  see people shoot and stab each other all the time. And you know, if if I wasn't able to compartmentalize
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  that, I would probably come home and sobbing mess every day. So I think I've compartmentalized
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  my relationship with my father and put it here so that it doesn't affect my relationship with my
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  husband or with my mother even because she's still with him. And I have a close relationship with her.
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  And I'll tell her things like, you know, it hurts my feelings when he says this or he's constantly
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  comparing my twins. And I don't like it when he compares them in front of them that, you know,
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  one runs faster than the other. And my mom will be like, Oh, you know how daddy is? And you know,
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  she makes excuses for him or whatever. So I've decided to just put that relationship in a little
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  bucket over here so that the fumes from it don't, you know, see through like carbon monoxide
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  and poison everything else. You know, it's interesting, though, because so I think that that
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  relationship, it turned you into like a high performance individual in everything in your life
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  because that's sort of what was that was model. It was like work, work, work, work, work, work,
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  right? So throughout sort of your life, you've realized a certain point that even high
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  performance isn't always the best path forward. I think that now you have more balance in your life.
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  I mean, there was one point where you were sleeping in your car between your shifts and you realized
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  things like that weren't sustainable. So talk to me about sort of your attitude towards work,
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  about high performance, about accomplishment because you were, you know, you're going to,
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  you graduated med school at 24 and mostly for only finishing their undergrad. So obviously,
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  like you keep pushing yourself, but there's a time when that doesn't serve you anymore.
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  Yeah, that, that was a hard pill to swallow. So I moved to America when I was six years old,
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  I learned English. I went to the early college entrance program when I was 15,
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  graduated from Cornell when I was 19, graduated from medical school at the top of my class at the
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  age of 23 and then proceeded on to the best anesthesia residency program in the country at UCSF.
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  Then got married and had twins by the time I was 30. And so I just felt like my whole life,
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  it's like these boxes had been, like a to-do list. And I was like, check, go to college early,
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  check Ivy League, check, you know, and my mom was like, there's no way you're going to be able to
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  get married and have kids by the time you're 30 and for whatever reason, you know, in the Chinese
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  anti-folk lore, if you're not, that's the expiration date, you know, if you're not married by 30,
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  it's like, oh, what's wrong with her? And then I got married and had twins. So I was like,
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  clocked in right at 30. So I felt like I completed the checklist. Yeah. And then I sat down one day,
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  and I was like, shit, I'm tired. Also, what am I doing? Like I've done everything the people
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  told me to. But why do I feel unfulfilled? I have no creativity in my life. All I do is work.
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  I have very little laughter in my life and very little joy. And at that time, I was like, what is joy?
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  You know, there's happiness, there's joy. I'm like, I like shopping. That brings me joy.
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  You know, but does it? Do your, do your material possessions bring me joy? You know,
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  does this Birkin keep me warm at night? No, it does not. So that's when I had my midlife crisis,
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  as my husband likes to call it. And I started going to therapy, listened to so many self-help
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  podcasts. I have a Kindle library full of self-help books. Like if you name a top self-help happiness book,
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  I have it in my Kindle library. And what I kind of figured out is that like, you can't live life
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  So, so then what you don't want to do though in that case is have a midlife crisis.
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  Then like swing the whole lot of the grass. That's also not good. People do that.
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  I know people do. That's what real housewives came in. That's what Bravo TV knocked on my dorm.
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  Was like, are you having a midlife crisis? We would like to document that.
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  So, I mean, let's talk about how you find it. Because at this point you realize that
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  life's good haven't particularly found how to live life with joy. You don't want to go to the other
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  end of the spectrum as much as Bravo would love you to go to the other end of the spectrum.
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  So what's your first version of finding joy? Like there's a lot of high performing people that
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  listen to this show that I think do exactly what you do. And they don't focus on living day by day.
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  They focus on some future outcome that never comes. And they realize that their whole life.
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  They're trying to keep up with some. They ironically, they achieve what they wanted to achieve
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  two years ago. Then it doesn't even, it doesn't even in their mind, they don't even realize
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  that where they are now would have been a dream for them two, three years ago. And they've already
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  set future goals. And then now they're upset that they haven't hit those future goals.
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  And this is a very classic. I mean, I know, I know you're entrepreneurial at the time you were
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  a doctor, but it's a very classic entrepreneur problem, high performing person problem.
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  Okay, so what are the steps we can talk about real housewives if you want and what that meant
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  for you and then why you even did it. But what were the steps to find joy? I don't think real
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  housewives was you finding joy. I think there's a lot. No, it wasn't. But it actually pushed me
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  to do the introspection to find joy because there's nothing like going on a reality TV show
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  to make you take a hard look at yourself. You have any problems that reality TV show is going
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  to expose them. That's why people say there's this curse from reality TV that you're going to
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  get a divorce. There's no reality TV curse of divorce. It means you already had cracks in your
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  marriage. And then the camera started rolling in it magnifies. It's whatever problems you had,
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  alcoholism, cracks in your marriage, you know, fragile friendships. It's just magnifies that.
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  There's a couple that expose their business problems too. Oh yeah, and they're unpaid taxes.
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  I'm like, what the hell were you thinking going on a reality TV show when you have,
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  you know, some shady business dealings unpaid taxes? Like, did you think we weren't going to
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  find out? This is like, this is like the IRS now has like a magnifying glass on your whole life.
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  Right. Yeah. No, it's wild to me. Why do you do that? Is it like stupidity? I think it's
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  narcissism or narcissism. Yeah. I think it's narcissism that like you're so high that you like,
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  it won't happen to me. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. For sure. So I am grateful to Bravo TV because it really made
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  me take a good hard look at my life. And I was like, God, what am I doing? First of all, why am I
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  trying to impress these women who I don't even like, but like I want so badly for them to accept me
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  and be a cool girl because I've never ever been the cool girl ever in my life. I know it must be
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  hard for you to imagine, but I'm like, oh, my God, I'm finally sitting at the cool girl's table.
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  I need to like do shots with them and be crude and crass and all that I was just trying so hard
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  to fit in on the show. Like when I watch early episodes of Real Housewives now, it's so cringe to
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  me because I was just trying so hard to be liked and accepted by people whom I didn't even like.
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  It's it's so wild to me that everybody does everybody. Everybody. This is what people live on
• 25:13
  Instagram for. Oh my God. I mean, we're in Miami right now. You see it every city. The filter.
• 25:20
  Miami. It's wild. It's wild. I know people that like their whole lifestyle is rented. Everything's
• 25:25
  rented. Their whole life saw. I saw this. I saw this real where it was like four guys lived in
• 25:31
  a condo and they guess they they together pooled their money to rent at a Lamborghini and they all
• 25:36
  they split up the days of the week that they could use it like rent rent share a Lambo. That's a
• 25:42
  new one. Yeah. So this is an interesting city. Everybody is trying to show off all the time.
• 25:48
  Different than like I find like a New York where money's quiet. Yes, wealth whispers. Yes, yes.
• 25:54
  But this is the epitome. It's like Miami. Listen, I do love this city, but I find that Miami is like
• 26:00
  if Instagram was a city. It would be my it would be Miami. Complete with plastic surgery on
• 26:05
  the rented Lamborghini. So this is what everybody deals with all the time. You just dealt with it
• 26:12
  on a show for the world to watch. But everybody has these insecurities. Yeah, you're right.
• 26:18
  So this show really it made me examine my work life balance because I was working like 60 hours
• 26:24
  a week. Even while filming I was working full time as an academic anesthesiologist, you know,
• 26:30
  and then filming on nights and weekends. I barely saw my kids or husband, but filming is only
• 26:34
  12 weeks. And I was like, you know what? I can do anything for 12 weeks, right? Like it's not that long.
• 26:40
  So really, it made me finally get the balls to ask my boss if I could go part time at work,
• 26:48
  which I did. And it freed up some time for me to explore some philanthropy that I wanted to do.
• 26:56
  And it actually freed up enough time and energy that I finally started working on my book
• 27:02
  in 2022 is when I first started working on joy prescriptions. Now it's coming out in 2025.
• 27:08
  Yeah. That's how long it took. It's a lot. It's a lot to work on a book, by the way,
• 27:11
  because I know a lot of authors. It's not easy. But I think that it's interesting that you started
• 27:16
  working on the, you know, joy prescriptions, the prescription for having joy in your life
• 27:21
  when at that moment you were trying to find it yourself, which I think is actually the most
• 27:24
  compelling content when you are literally quite literally documenting the journey that you're on.
• 27:30
  So you working 60 hours a week forced you to reevaluate your life. Do you even know
• 27:39
  what you wanted out of real housewives versus what you got?
• 27:43
  I wanted to make new friends and have fun. And this was when I agreed to join it,
• 27:48
  there was no such thing as the pandemic yet. And so I thought that Bravo was going to pay for us
• 27:52
  to go on a cast trip. The year before they had gone to Thailand, the year before maybe Denmark
• 27:57
  or something like that. And I love traveling. And I love, you know, meeting new people and eating
• 28:01
  new foods. So I was like, well, Bravo wants to pay for me to go on a vacation. Who am I to say no?
• 28:05
  You know, my cast trip mid pandemic was to Oklahoma. I was like, this is not what I signed up for.
• 28:14
  Like get me the hell out of here. It wasn't it was not at all. And it sounds so naive now.
• 28:21
  But I honestly thought that I would go on the show and make new friends and go to parties.
• 28:27
  And it would be fabulous. And I just, it sounds so naive now.
• 28:32
  What is the first sort of thought or idea around joy? Like, where how did you want to structure
• 28:37
  life? So there's joy. How do you define joy? Let's start there.
• 28:41
  I would define joy as being wholly present, not worrying about the future. And just having a
• 28:50
  feeling of not just happiness, but being content and not wanting for anything, longing for any,
• 28:58
  like I have everything I need right now. I feel whole that when I feel joy, like that's how I feel.
• 29:05
  That's tough. That's very tough. It's very tough. Yeah. And I'm not joyful every day. You know,
• 29:10
  people always say as an entrepreneur, you create the product you need. Maybe that's what I was doing
• 29:15
  with the book. And when I first started writing, it wasn't called joy prescriptions. It wasn't
• 29:20
  meant to be prescriptive. I didn't know at the end of each chapter. I was actually going to
• 29:24
  write a joy prescription for the reader. I just started writing. I mean, I wrote so much. I wrote
• 29:30
  basically my first memories of being in China living with my grandparents, because my parents
• 29:35
  moved to America when I was three, but I didn't come till I was six. So my first formidable memories,
• 29:40
  you know, around like four or five are like hanging out with my grandparents in China going to
• 29:45
  the market, like that sort of thing. And I just wrote. I wrote down everything. I wrote what it felt
• 29:51
  like to come to America. I wrote about what it felt like to be teased. I wrote about thinking
• 29:57
  that I hate my parents. And I just want to move back to China. You know, I just wrote. And then
• 30:02
  after I wrote, then I started, you know, what kind of book is this? There has to be a theme. And
• 30:08
  that's why it took three years to come to completion. Yeah. What did you find out about yourself
• 30:14
  when you started to do this like deep, introspective work? Writing a book is like therapy. It's like
• 30:19
  self. I know doubt. Yeah. But also while I was writing it, a lot of the repressed feelings and
• 30:25
  memories I had, especially in those early chapters around my childhood, came flowing out. And I
• 30:31
  would be like sobbing and writing. I had extra therapy appointments with my therapist during writing.
• 30:38
  I would call her and she's like, we got to have an extra session this week because all the,
• 30:42
  I, you know, the Asian way. And I don't want to speak for all Asians, but at least in my family
• 30:47
  was not to talk about feelings. We swept them under the rug. We were conflict diverse. My mother
• 30:54
  and father would fight. There would be shouting. Sometimes it would get physical. And then for the
• 30:58
  next several days, I would see my mother and father not speak to one another. And there would be
• 31:03
  this thick tension in the house. And I'm just a kid, you know, so I'm like tiptoeing, mocking on
• 31:08
  eggshells. It was a tough environment. All, and when I wrote about it, all those feelings came
• 31:15
  flooding backs. I don't normally ever think or talk about these kind of things. It's, it's not,
• 31:20
  you mentioned it's like a thing that was in like your culture and your family. I think a lot of
• 31:24
  people just suppress a lot of shit. Yeah. And I think that, and I'm curious what your advice is
• 31:30
  for people to like first go on this journey of discovering joy in your own life. But it sounds
• 31:35
  like the first part of it is to, to document, to journal, to write shit down, to, to take a look
• 31:41
  inside. Yeah. And, and, and don't be scared to unpack your childhood. And what happened to you
• 31:46
  then and how it impacts you now because these child, all traumas, they just, it's stuck in your
• 31:51
  subconscious. They say the body keeps the score, you know, and, and, and I felt, I, I learned that
• 31:57
  you have to feel the feelings because for so long, I tried to not feel the feelings on purpose.
• 32:04
  Sweep the feelings under the rug, go into anesthesia that doesn't deal with feelings. Just, you know,
• 32:10
  very conflict diverse personality. And then finally, when I was writing all this, like all the
• 32:16
  feelings came back up. And for the first time, maybe ever, I felt all the feelings. And it was
• 32:22
  a lot. Is, is when you, like some of these prescriptions that you, that you tell people to,
• 32:28
  is part of it journaling, writing down, like is that where you start? Yeah. Reflecting. Reflecting.
• 32:34
  Yeah. And is there, is there, when you start to go through this process, this is like a prerequisite
• 32:38
  defining joy in your life. I think it's very hard. If you haven't done the, the pre-work
• 32:43
  to live with joy, with happiness, with fulfillment, because I think that even if you try and fix
• 32:50
  your life, you, you always regress because you have these like past traumas pulling you back
• 32:54
  to your old habits. Out of all the different sort of personality traits that we spoke about,
• 32:58
  work hallism, perfectionism, what do you think is the most damaging to living a life of joy?
• 33:04
  Perfectionism. And it is the antithesis of living a life with joy because you are always worried
• 33:12
  about what other people think, how you may appear, you don't want to say the wrong thing.
• 33:16
  And what perfectionism really does is hold you back from taking opportunities because you might
• 33:21
  look stupid and you might not know the thing. So you just don't do anything. Yeah. You don't write
• 33:29
  the book. You don't start the business. You don't start the podcast. You don't post the picture
• 33:33
  on Instagram because everything has to be so damn perfect that you are paralyzed by perfection
• 33:40
  and you do nothing. How do you get over that? You just start doing things. You just start,
• 33:45
  there's no like 12-step program to beating perfectionism. It's like therapy, just invasion
• 33:52
  therapy, like you just do it. You take imperfect action. And then you realize,
• 33:58
  shit, nothing bad happened. And guess what? Most of the time when you're so hell-bent on seeming
• 34:04
  perfect, 99% of people aren't even noticing because you're so self-absorbed with it,
• 34:09
  they didn't even notice. Like that, you know, this picture, you spent like two hours photoshopping,
• 34:14
  like a Kardashian, it scrolled across someone's feed for 2.5 seconds. You know what it is? Less.
• 34:19
  Less. Exactly. You're so self-absorbed with the idea to be perfect when you should have just
• 34:27
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  this transformation? Talk to me about how you approach like new idea. Now you're very entrepreneurial.
• 38:41
  Now you've launched a whole bunch of. Yeah, because I'm like, why not? If it fails, I'll try something
• 38:46
  else. Nothing of the world. No, at least no one's dying. You know, I just when you're an anesthesiologist,
• 38:51
  you know, the bar is low. Because I'm like, well, at least no one died today. Yeah. I mean,
• 38:56
  that's a valid bar. You understand? You understand? None of this shit is that serious? Yeah.
• 39:01
  None of this shit is that serious. So so now I mean, so tell me tell me what you've launched
• 39:06
  just in terms of like what you've put your energy into. What's work? What has and I want to use it
• 39:10
  as like, I don't know, as an example for people that are sort of hesitant to do the thing. Yeah.
• 39:15
  My husband and I started a wine label called Three Moons Wine. We make a wine out of Napa and
• 39:20
  Sonoma. I have a luxury candle company called Aroma Sisija, which is introduced to Luxe collection.
• 39:27
  I have lead her summit, which is a women's empowerment conference that we had for the first time
• 39:33
  in 2024, but we're doing again in November of 2025. So I'm currently trying to put that together
• 39:39
  and call for speakers. We have joy prescriptions that's coming out very near in the future. And I
• 39:46
  feel like this book is the culmination of my whole life story and all the lessons that I've learned,
• 39:56
  distilled into 12 distinct chapters. You know, people are like, oh, what kind of book is it? I'm
• 40:01
  telling people it's part memoir, part self-help or personal development, whatever that term is now.
• 40:08
  What do you think out of all the lessons that you've learned sort of over your life that you've
• 40:13
  put into the book? What would be the one that you think was the hardest for you to learn?
• 40:18
  Taking a leap of faith, just putting yourself out there. You know, I think if it weren't for
• 40:25
  housewives that kind of, you know, was like exposure therapy, that I wouldn't have done a lot of
• 40:32
  things. I mean, I've done a few stand-up gigs. I know you're in comedy too. Yeah, like it just,
• 40:38
  I feel like when you're open to it, life presents so many opportunities to you. If you're just receptive
• 40:45
  and you meet wonderful people and get to have such deep conversations with them. But if you're
• 40:50
  closed off or trying to maintain this like veil of perfectionism or you're so worried about what
• 40:55
  other people might think, it holds you back from like truly living your life. And now I feel like
• 41:04
  I'm living, like I'm doing the damn thing. Whereas when I was 30, like this was not me. I was a
• 41:10
  completely different person a decade ago than I am today. I don't know how else to say it. Like,
• 41:16
  this is an idea he's coming up, like you have to just jump into it. You just have to take the leap.
• 41:21
  And it's so funny because even, even for people that are, I would say, the people that are
• 41:27
  sitting on the sidelines are very similar to you before you discovered what joy and fulfillment is.
• 41:33
  Because they're all high performing people. They're not like lazy. They're killing it in their
• 41:37
  careers. But I think there was a point in your life. You missed, you missed Chloe's first steps. So
• 41:46
  when I think about what are you, what are you trading your life for by working, no issue with the
• 41:53
  job. No issue to W2. But if you're, if you're doing it to the extent where you're missing out on
• 41:58
  life, I think that's a problem. And I think that taking action, which ironically seems risky,
• 42:05
  is actually less risky in the long term because now you have control of your own life. So now if
• 42:11
  you ever got forbid, couldn't practice medicine anymore, you have a million other things that
• 42:16
  can make you money. So it's not stressful. Right. Yeah. Whereas before, you know, if I had gotten
• 42:22
  injured and couldn't practice medicine, I kind of screwed. You know what I mean? I mean, yeah,
• 42:26
  you have disability insurance, but it pays like, you know, 40%. That's not it. That's not right.
• 42:32
  Yeah. And the fact of the matter is, I'm having fun. You know, I'm a CEO. For the wine company,
• 42:39
  I take a trip to Napa. That's a business expense. I'm tasting wine, but I am doing work. I get to
• 42:45
  meet amazing people and learn about their journeys and their failures. I hosted a women's conference
• 42:51
  and women came up to me crying after the conference, saying how meaningful it was to them. And I was
• 42:57
  like, oh my god, really? It just the impact that you have on other people's life, like that brings me
• 43:03
  meaning. And now with the book, I'm hoping that that's impactful for people's life that maybe they'll
• 43:09
  read it and be like, you know what? I'm going to take take the leap of faith. I'm going to do the
• 43:13
  thing. Yeah. And then I mean, that's sort of the goal of this podcast. I mean, it was so funny
• 43:21
  because when I started this show, so this show is called success story. And you know, people ask
• 43:26
  like, you know, what is success? And it's and the funny thing is when I talk about people's success
• 43:31
  stories, the whole point is to show how success is not just financial. Once you make your money,
• 43:37
  if you do not have joy, happiness, fulfillment across all other areas of your life, you are not
• 43:43
  living a good life. You do not feel fulfilled. You can make a dollar amount. A lot of people on this
• 43:48
  show have sold companies for 50, 100 million who've had several billionaires on this show. And
• 43:53
  if their family relationships, if their health has all deteriorated, yes, we're looking in like
• 44:00
  people are like, wow, they've done incredible things. But like three wives later, very sad, very
• 44:05
  depressed. And not a lot of people will talk about this openly, mostly because they'll get shit on.
• 44:11
  If they've made any amount of money, if you say like, I'm not happy if you're like, go fuck yourself.
• 44:15
  Right. Oh, you feel so sorry for the poor rich guy. That's not the lesson. No.
• 44:19
  The lesson is that somebody who hasn't made the money or is earlier on in their career, they're
• 44:23
  optimizing for the wrong thing. They're optimizing for this big outcome that's never going to fulfill
• 44:27
  you. So like to your point, you have to enjoy the journey. You have to enjoy the journey. And the
• 44:33
  point is that joy is not the destination. It is the journey. And I'm so glad that I figured that
• 44:40
  out when I was 40 and not when I was 80 because I'm currently making a documentary about how we
• 44:47
  die in America. It's happier than that sounds. But die before you die. Celebrate your life.
• 44:55
  While you're alive before you're on your deathbed telling me and the hospice nurse, all the things
• 45:02
  you regret. And you know what I always hear? I regret that I didn't do this. I regret that I
• 45:07
  didn't do that. Nobody ever says I regret taking that leap of faith and funding the company or
• 45:13
  taking three months off and sailing or what nobody ever talks about regretting things that they did.
• 45:18
  I always hear people regret things that they didn't do. Have you ever like had these conversations
• 45:24
  about like, I know your parents are old, but have you ever had conversations about? Absolutely not.
• 45:29
  With my parents. Yeah. Absolutely not. Why not? I don't even know where we would start. I mean,
• 45:35
  we try to keep it pretty surface level. How are the kids? Because I think they're an example of
• 45:40
  somebody who does regret a lot. It would be an enlightening conversation for sure. I'm not sure how
• 45:47
  to get there. Yeah, it's tough because you know, the second you you are a little bit successful,
• 45:52
  you want to sort of share that success and some of the things that you've learned along the journey
• 45:55
  with people that you love. I think about a lot with my parents too. Like they don't regret. But I
• 46:00
  wish they would like, they're retired obviously. And I still think they could live more. Yeah.
• 46:06
  I mean, it could travel more. I mean, it could do more. Yeah. Money's not a concern for them. Right.
• 46:09
  But they don't. And it's frustrating. Same thing with my parents. I said, you know, travel more,
• 46:15
  but they're going to Europe. I said, by first class tickets, they can't. My mom said, it's only
• 46:19
  eight hours. If it's China, she'll sit in first class because it's like a 15 hour flight to Shanghai.
• 46:24
  Yeah, we're going to break your legs. Right. She's going to get a pulmonary embolism. I'm worried,
• 46:28
  you know, but, but they're just, she can't. And I, I'm just like live life a little mom, you know,
• 46:34
  go on that trip, splurge at dinner, get the lobster. And it's like, they can't. I don't get it.
• 46:40
  I don't understand where that comes from. I've tried to figure this out. It comes. It comes. I'll
• 46:44
  tell you exactly where it comes from. It comes from growing up with scarcity. They cannot get out of
• 46:49
  that mindset when that they were young. They did not have enough. And now they have enough. But
• 46:55
  but they're still in the scarcity mindset. Is there a way that you found you can almost like
• 47:00
  get out of that scarcity mindset or is it just something like a journey that people have to go on
• 47:04
  on their own? I can't change someone's mindset for them, you know, and I mean, they're well taken
• 47:08
  care of, you know, they live in a nice house. I bought my mom a brand new car. Like that's,
• 47:13
  it's not a money thing. I know. But it's, it's a mindset thing and you cannot change someone's mindset
• 47:19
  for them. I for Christmas bought my mom a cashmere sweater, you know, she unwraps it, holds it up,
• 47:26
  kind of feels the yarn and whatever. And she's like, ah, how much you pay? And it was like 300 maybe,
• 47:32
  but I like lied. And I was like, oh, it was on sale, mom. It was only like 150, you know. And she's
• 47:38
  like, yeah, quality not so good return. I was like, this is, you know, like forget looking a
• 47:44
  gift horse in the mouth. I mean, you know, she's like, uh, 150. No, I go to Coles have better.
• 47:50
  I'm like, it's just, you know what I mean? I'm trying to like buy her nice things. And I bought her
• 47:55
  a Birkin once, you know, yeah, yeah. She, this, she told me it was too heavy. The Birkin was too heavy.
• 48:04
  So she gave it back to me. I don't like, it's too heavy. I cannot wear on my shoulder.
• 48:10
  So she just makes things up. I mean, look, I was like, give it back, mom. Just give it back. Yeah, I
• 48:15
  mean, like, give it back. Yeah. There I was trying to be nice to her. Yeah. So I bought her a Chanel
• 48:22
  medium flat bag instead. But that's, I mean, this is like six years ago. But, but, you know, it's just,
• 48:27
  she can't like live in the joy. But maybe she is joyful. You know, I've never actually sent to
• 48:33
  her like, mom, are you joyful? Like, we don't have these enlightened conversations. It's very like,
• 48:38
  what's for dinner? I want to talk about just a little bit about like, how you think about
• 48:44
  what you jump into, what gives you passion, what gives you joy, because you, you started so much
• 48:49
  stuff as, as businesses and as an entrepreneur. So what are some ideas about? Okay, I found joy in
• 48:55
  my own life. Now I want to find joy in my career. So wine, candles, leaders, summit, by the way,
• 49:05
  events are incredibly difficult to put together. So congratulations. I tried. It's very difficult.
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  But obviously you, you follow joy in everything in your life. So I think that step one is due
• 49:14
  introspection. Step two is to architect your life so that you're enjoying every single day. You
• 49:19
  find joy in every single day. And then I think step three is like, tie joy into your vocation,
• 49:24
  into your job. I think it's very important. And that's where I think a little bit of entrepreneurship
• 49:28
  comes into it and feel, feeling safe, taking risk and taking a chance because on the other side of
• 49:33
  that chance and that risk, that's where joy in your work comes. So how do you choose what lights
• 49:39
  you up? I mean, I mean, this is going to sound trite, but I love helping people. I feel good when
• 49:46
  I make someone else's day better. And so as far as the summit went, as far as writing the book,
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  if a woman reads that book and it makes her laugh a little and she learns a lesson or she learns
• 49:58
  to set boundaries, or there's some ideas she's been sitting on and she's like, you know what,
• 50:02
  I'm going to do it. I'm going to launch my podcast. I'm going to write my own book. I'm going to
• 50:06
  be an influencer, whatever it is, then I feel good. Like I don't want to say that my whole worth
• 50:14
  is is wrapped up in what I do for others, but it makes me feel good when I'm able to help other
• 50:22
  people. And everything I mean, the wine, the candles, it's all self-care. Lead her summit is a
• 50:28
  women's empowerment conference. Joy prescriptions largely is a book for professional women who
• 50:35
  want that elusive work life balance who always feel like whatever they're doing is not good enough.
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  You know, and the point of all this is really just to help other people.
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  Do you think that's a good North Star from both people?
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  I think it is. I think if that's your North Star, that if you wake up in the morning and you think
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  what can I do that would help other people, the world would be a better place.
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  And I'm not I help myself plenty. You know, in in my quest to help other people, I help myself.
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  It all goes around. You know, I'm not mother Teresa. I'm not like, you know, taking the clothes off
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  my back and giving them to someone, you know, like you're building business.
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  Yes, it's like a it's like a it's centered on making someone else's life better.
• 51:21
  Correct. And that's sort of like the that's the barometer for success.
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  Yes. And not every day is joyful. You know, I don't want to create a culture of toxic joy
• 51:31
  where I'm like, oh, I'm so joyful. So if you don't have joy, then something's wrong with you.
• 51:35
  You know what I mean? Some days I want to throw my hands up in there and people are acting crazy
• 51:40
  and just, you know, conducting business, right? Like something's always going on. I always feel
• 51:46
  like there's some fire I have to put out. And I'm just like, I told my assistant the other day,
• 51:49
  I was like, if there could just be one day, one day where I don't have to put some freaking
• 51:55
  fire out, that would be a lovely day. And she was like, good, I'm gonna go with that.
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  But it's it's just having an overall umbrella of joy. Like this is my north star and I know I'm
• 52:06
  moving towards the right place because when I hit the pillow at night, like I generally feel like
• 52:12
  I did a good job that day. I love that. It's just so I think that this is an idea that we've sort of
• 52:17
  danced around this, but it's it's finding joy in every single day you have to find joy. You
• 52:22
  can't just find joy in big moments. Right. That's very important. Right. And I think that part of that
• 52:27
  is understanding that finding little bits of joy in your day to day, it could be it could be,
• 52:33
  you know, going outside, moving around, speaking to somebody who you care about, solving good problems,
• 52:40
  it sort of progressed you forward. It's not about there will never be hard work or there will never
• 52:45
  be things that go wrong. It's about understanding that you have to find bits of joy in every single
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  day and not sort of postpone it. Yes. Exactly. I think a lot of people do that. Yeah. Because you
• 52:57
  mentioned toxic joy, which is it's almost like your naive, which is also not good. Right. Yeah,
• 53:04
  you have to find joy in everything, but not be naive. Right. And that's I think that that's the best
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  message. Yeah. What would be one more idea from your book that I didn't ask you about that you
• 53:16
  think is useful for for the audience to share? There's there's a chapter on comparison and I just
• 53:23
  think comparison is the thief of joy. It truly is. And in an era where everyone is on social media,
• 53:33
  we cannot help but compare ourselves to other people. And I always say you cannot compare your every
• 53:40
  day with someone else's greatest hits. It's not a fair comparison. And I made this up when
• 53:47
  I my kids were little this happened when they were maybe three or four and it was their birthday
• 53:53
  because their twins. And I gave them each a slice of cake. And I don't remember which one it was,
• 53:59
  but she said, Mommy, her slice is bigger than mine. And I said, Oh, my God, I said sit down
• 54:06
  a second. We're about to have a lesson. I said, you just got cake plenty. In fact, and there's
• 54:13
  more cake. You need to stop focusing on how big someone else's slice of cake is and just enjoy
• 54:21
  your own damn cake. And that metaphor goes for so many things in life. You see people buy new houses,
• 54:31
  going on vacations, wearing new outfits. And it's a constant game of comparison. And you simply
• 54:37
  just have to stop and enjoy your own cake because you'll never win the comparison. There'll always
• 54:42
  be Joneses to keep up with. And how do you know that these Joneses aren't in massive debt?
• 54:48
  There was like some New York socialite or something in the guy in it up like, you know,
• 54:52
  and they were like in massive debt. And her whole thing was like vacations and luxury or whatever.
• 54:58
  And I was like, and look what that, you know what I mean? That's an extreme. It is an extreme.
• 55:04
  But you have to stop the car. It was like tens of millions. It was not a amount that like you
• 55:09
  could get out of with the little hard work. And yeah, it was like, and how did you get to that
• 55:15
  point? Well, he was, he was, so I think it was a few things. I think that, well, I think he was like
• 55:20
  borrowing from friends or he was like raising money against like business ideas,
• 55:26
  but then using it for lifestyle expenses. I think it was just like, he was just embezzling money.
• 55:31
  I think that he was a developer. He was a developer. Yeah. And I don't want to get, I don't
• 55:37
  want to get the story wrong. Right. Because I don't have all the details in front of me. But I'm pretty
• 55:41
  sure like he was taking money for like business and investment. And I think that that's what he
• 55:48
  was using to fund lifestyle. Right. And and for what? Because they're in this game of compare,
• 55:53
  they need to keep up a peer. And all it was was like bougie Instagram posts. Right.
• 55:58
  Eat for what? For, for light. No, no, not Instagram cares about you anyway. You know what I mean?
• 56:04
  Like if your Instagram got shut down and or somebody hacked it or whatever, you know,
• 56:11
  half the people wouldn't even notice you were gone. It's very sad. It's very, this comparison
• 56:16
  game is very sad. Social media, there's a lot of benefits of social media with a lot of
• 56:22
  a lot of negatives. And this comparison game, we were talking about how Miami's like Instagram
• 56:27
  basically, this is what causes people to basically ruin their life, trying to keep up with
• 56:33
  everyone. But to your point, there's never, there's never an end. So most people look at real
• 56:37
  housewives and they'll be like, well, they're all very successful. But I can guarantee you,
• 56:41
  first of all, this is assuming that everything they, they show is real and owned and not rented
• 56:46
  or whatever. But then if you look at the next level up, right, there's going to be somebody
• 56:51
  worth a hundred million. It's going to be worth somebody worth a billion. There's like, there's
• 56:54
  no end. Right. That's so instead of just, you know, having one nice house and like two cars,
• 56:59
  there's going to have, you know, a guy who has a 737 and like 20 homes. Right. There's never an
• 57:05
  end to it. Right. So why do you play this game? It's a zero-sum game. You cannot win and people
• 57:11
  figuratively and literally kill themselves trying. And you must learn that you should only
• 57:19
  compare yourself to yourself. That's it. And your past, your past version of yourself. Yes.
• 57:25
  So you're always, yeah. So where do you want people to go? Where do you want people to go?
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  By the way, are you still going to do more real housewives? No. I don't know. I'm not as involved.
• 57:32
  I'm not as into this. Did I, did I sound like I felt the experience? No, no, no, not at all. Not
• 57:39
  at all. You know, they asked me again. I had a terrible experience and they're like, so you
• 57:44
  want to do it again. And I'm like, no, no, I don't. Thank you. Now you're done with that. I wish
• 57:51
  there was a show about women building their businesses. And even when I was planning lead her
• 57:59
  summit and think, you know, a speaker pulled out last minute, there was a tornado. One of my
• 58:04
  speakers couldn't come in. Just it's an in-person event, right? Like shit's going to happen.
• 58:09
  And I was like, where are the cameras now? Because this would be a good show. You know,
• 58:13
  there's an element of drama. There's sort of, you know, something that they want to see to
• 58:18
  completion, like all the good makings of a reality show, but not enough women fighting. Yeah.
• 58:24
  You know, nobody was cussing anybody out. It's just, it's not enough. I mean, there's enough
• 58:29
  drama because something's going wrong all the time. I mean, I can yell at my assistant if you want
• 58:34
  me to. Yeah. I think I do believe that I do believe that the future of business, well, you know,
• 58:40
  like Alex and Layla Hermosi, like you know the Hermosi, excuse me. And they have a videographer
• 58:45
  follow them around everywhere. I know. And they turn their life into like a TV show.
• 58:49
  Reality, yeah, like a YouTube theories. Yeah. So I think that that's the future. Yeah.
• 58:53
  And I think that, listen, if they had a TV deal, if they weren't, you know, I don't
• 58:57
  need to care about that. They had a TV deal. You could take the stuff straight off their YouTube
• 59:01
  channel and just throw it on any network. And that would be your reality TV show. So I think that
• 59:06
  the future of business and influence, not just business, the future of influence is somebody
• 59:13
  who's building something incredible. And they have somebody that documents the journey.
• 59:17
  And I think that like you should do that for the next summit. You know any videographers for
• 59:21
  hire. Well, yeah, yeah. No, but I think that that's a great way. And you know, when people think
• 59:30
  about entrepreneurship, usually the conversation turns into, okay, well, how do I build a brand
• 59:34
  online and how do I build a personal brand? That's how you do it. Yeah. You just document the
• 59:39
  journey. Right. That's it. And speak about what you're doing. Speak about the real experiences.
• 59:44
  And not only the good ones, the bad ones, it's like my relatable stuff that gets the most clicks.
• 59:50
  You know, when I post a picture and it's like, you know, everything's beautiful and I'm on
• 59:55
  vacation. I mean, it's fine. But when I post my like, I'm so tired, I want to, you know, kill
• 59:59
  my kids and my husband and that stuff, you know, like that's the the relatable stuff is what gets
• 1:00:05
  that's to be care about. Yeah. People, people are starved for realness. They're starving for
• 1:00:10
  realness because of all the bullshit on Instagram. They want, they don't want curated, edited,
• 1:00:16
  refined. They want. Who's this person? What are they dealing with? Because your problems are someone
• 1:00:22
  else's problem for sure. And outside of just being great content, but you know, you talked about
• 1:00:27
  you wanting to help people when you put yourself out there, it's super scary. I mean, not for you
• 1:00:31
  because you've done it at scale. But for most people, it's very scary to put themselves out there
• 1:00:34
  and be an influencer and put out, you know, content and build a personal brand. I know you,
• 1:00:39
  you got everybody, everybody who goes on real housewives gets hate and comments and everything,
• 1:00:45
  right? But you get over it. And then you realize that yeah, there's some loud haters in the crowd.
• 1:00:50
  But ultimately, if you do put yourself out there and talk about your problems, you're actually
• 1:00:53
  helping way more, you're helping way more. And those people, it's tough because those people aren't
• 1:00:57
  going to go and say, hey, thank you so much for, you know, putting yourself out there. You just
• 1:01:02
  made me sort of normalize the stress and anxiety that I'm living with. But I think it's a,
• 1:01:07
  it's a good thing to do. Yeah. It's a very good thing to do. Um, where do you want to send people?
• 1:01:12
  So where can people connect with you? So first of all, the book is going to be available anywhere
• 1:01:16
  you can get books. We'll put it in the show notes as well. Um, obviously, Amazon everywhere else.
• 1:01:20
  Yep, you can order it off joyprescriptions.com. We have a bonus, a 30 days of joy PDF that's
• 1:01:26
  sort of like a journaling. Okay, cool exercise that they can get as a bonus if they pre-order the book.
• 1:01:31
  And then I'm across all social media platforms at Tiffany Moon MD. Okay, and joyprescriptions.com.
• 1:01:40
  If they want to, what's the best social for them? That is Instagram. I would say Instagram. Instagram.
• 1:01:45
  Yeah, it's probably the one I'm on the most. And the, the special for the, for the book, that's just
• 1:01:50
  joyprescriptions.com. Yeah, yes. Perfect. Um, last question I like to ask, uh, obviously you,
• 1:01:57
  you've learned a lot over the course of your career life, all of that. If you had to pick all the
• 1:02:02
  lessons and all the wisdom and all the insight and you only could pass one lesson onto your kids,
• 1:02:08
  sort of the most important thing that you've learned could be about joy, it could be about just life
• 1:02:12
  in general, work, whatever. What do you think that most important lesson would be? Be a good person.
• 1:02:18
  Whenever I have a challenge in my business or at work, I just ask myself like, what would a
• 1:02:26
  good person do? What is the right decision to make? You know, if there's a short cut I can take and
• 1:02:33
  if I do this or in this business, if I kind of fudge this a little bit, it's not worth it.
• 1:02:40
  Cutting the corners, fiving a little, working with people whom you don't like for financial
• 1:02:47
  gain, it's not worth it. So at the end of the day, I feel like if you're a good person and you make
• 1:02:54
  decisions that are rooted in integrity and you can go to sleep at night knowing that you did the
• 1:03:01
  best you could, everything also fall into place.