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Speaker 1: The reform it tonight, a shocking decision to muzzle Pauline Hanson.
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Speaker 1: I've talked to her in a first interview since and
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Speaker 1: she's shattered.
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Speaker 2: Just give me a minute.
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Speaker 1: Interview coming up also tonight, Welcome to Country Madness. The
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Speaker 1: Surf Life Saving Club forced to pay four times to
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Speaker 1: be welcome to their beach, and Americans are now going
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Speaker 1: to the polls. We'll tip the winner later in this show,
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Speaker 1: and we'll give the first results from the first polling booth.
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Speaker 1: But first to a deeply disturbing decision in the Federal
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Speaker 1: court last Friday, an attack on free speech that's devastated
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Speaker 1: Pauline Hanson and left to One Nation Party facing bankruptcy
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Speaker 1: with the Eagle bills estimated at nine hundred thousand dollars.
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Speaker 1: It's disturbing because it seems to me that Hanson has
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Speaker 1: essentially been found guilty of criticizing the extreme political beliefs
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Speaker 1: of a woman who just by chance, is brown and Muslim.
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Speaker 1: That woman is Green Senator Marine Ferruki, who two years
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Speaker 1: ago responded to the Queen's death with a crude tweet
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Speaker 1: condolences to those who knew the queen. I cannot mourn
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Speaker 1: the leader of a racist empire built on stolen lives,
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Speaker 1: land and wealth of colonized peoples. Now that ignorant tweet
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Speaker 1: predictably caused much anger, but Feruki blamed the backlash on
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Speaker 1: what Hanson tweeted in response. She said, your attitude of
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Speaker 1: pauls and discussed me when you immigrate to Australia, took
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Speaker 1: every advantage of this country. You took citizenship, bought multiple
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Speaker 1: homes and a job in Parliament. It's clear you're not happy,
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Speaker 1: so packed your bags and piss off back to Pakistan.
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Speaker 1: Now note that nowhere there did Hanson say Farruki was
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Speaker 1: a Muslim or a woman of color. Yes, she mentioned Pakistan,
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Speaker 1: but she told the court you'd have told Faruki to
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Speaker 1: piss up back to New Zealand had she been a
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Speaker 1: Kiwi instead, And knowing her, I'm sure she would have
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Speaker 1: said exactly the same to an immigrant from any other
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Speaker 1: country who had similarly attacked our head of state, our
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Speaker 1: past culture and system of government. Because a look at
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Speaker 1: what Farruki has said about her adopted country. For instance,
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Speaker 1: in her first speech as a senator, we.
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Speaker 2: Are gathered here today on stolen land. This land always
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Speaker 2: was and always will be Aboriginal land.
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Speaker 1: Ferruki's also claimed that bigotry and xenophobia have been allowed
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Speaker 1: to flourish. He as I'd guess many Australians would also
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Speaker 1: wonder way Farruki still chose in nineteen ninety two to
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Speaker 1: come to this racist stolen land which is with its
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Speaker 1: thieving head of state. And you are said, even if
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Speaker 1: she were white, Christian and male. Yet Justice Angus Stewart
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Speaker 1: decided Hanson's response to Ferruki was racist then unlawful under
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Speaker 1: the Racial Discrimination Act. He ordered her to take it
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Speaker 1: down and pay for Ruki's leaving costs. Now here's a
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Speaker 1: strange thing. This judge actually conceded. It is true the
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Speaker 1: words in Senator Hanson's tweet did not refer to skin color,
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Speaker 1: So how could have been written because of race as
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Speaker 1: this act requires? Aha? The judge said the tweet was
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Speaker 1: directed to a Muslim woman of color who immigrated from Pakistan.
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Speaker 1: And I'm thinking yes, But isn't it because the person
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Speaker 1: attacking the queen was, by chance exactly a brown Muslim
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Speaker 1: from Pakistan? Coincidence? What's the judge suggesting that Hanson's response
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Speaker 1: would have been okay had Farruki been a white Christian instead,
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Speaker 1: and maybe so because Faruki once told Prime Minister Scott
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Speaker 1: Morrison to just f off. But the judge noted that
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Speaker 1: she defended that it's not racist anyway. Once the judge
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Speaker 1: decided Hanson had defended a brown Muslim woman with what
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Speaker 1: he called an age old racist trope, all that was
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Speaker 1: left was to prove racism had indeed been on Hanson's mind.
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Speaker 1: You know, you've got to read her mind. Now, that's
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Speaker 1: a secret agenda, and this involved putting Hanson on trial,
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Speaker 1: in effect, for everything she'd ever said about race, immigration,
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Speaker 1: and also Muslims, who are actually not a race and
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Speaker 1: thus not covered specifically under the Racial Discrimination Act, which
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Speaker 1: bans discrimination on the basis of race, color, descent, or
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Speaker 1: national origin. Nothing there about religion. But anyway, here's where
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Speaker 1: Hanson's past caught up with her. The judge said Hanson
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Speaker 1: had once said she wouldn't sell the house to a
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Speaker 1: Muslim and said Islam is a disease we need to
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Speaker 1: vaccinate ourselves against, which yes, I agree is awful. But again,
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Speaker 1: this particular tweet of Hansen hadn't mentioned Islam at all.
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Speaker 1: He got worse. The judge also attacked Hanson for making
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Speaker 1: what he called negative, derogatory, discriminating or hateful statements in
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Speaker 1: the past, by, for instance, criticizing multiculturalism and the white
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Speaker 1: guilt industry. I don't seeing hateful statements to me. I
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Speaker 1: mean even former prime ministers agree with them. So the
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Speaker 1: judge also added there was no defense for Hanson's tweet
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Speaker 1: because he said it wasn't made reasonably on a good fact.
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Speaker 1: But what next. It's a dangerously small step from suggesting
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Speaker 1: an immigrant not stay here to saying others shouldn't come
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Speaker 1: at all. So is a judge now going to tell
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Speaker 1: Opposition to Leader Peter Dutton that when he said it
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Speaker 1: was through dangerous to bring in Palestinians from terrorists around Gaza,
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Speaker 1: he was actually being racist to brown Muslims because that's
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Speaker 1: what they are. Now, you may wonder how a judge
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Speaker 1: could decide to sensor Hanson for saying something that would
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Speaker 1: have occurred to many other Australians. Now to understand that,
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Speaker 1: you've got to read his judgment, but maybe also read
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Speaker 1: a tribute to him published by the New South Wales
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Speaker 1: Bar Association saying his honor this is the judge himself
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Speaker 1: reflected that he had been born into privilege. He was
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Speaker 1: born white, male, able bodied, cisgendered, and heterosexual to parents
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Speaker 1: who had themselves been born into similar privilege. He did
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Speaker 1: not suffer the discrimination, inequality, marginalization, and disadvantage that people
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Speaker 1: of color, women, people disabilities, and LGBTQR plus people face
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Speaker 1: and still face in this world. Now reading that, how
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Speaker 1: likeily do you think it was that this judge would
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Speaker 1: defend Hans's tweet criticizing a fellow senator who just happened
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Speaker 1: to be a brown Muslim. This decision is so profoundly wrong.
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Speaker 1: I spoke a short while ago too, Pauline Hanson, the
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Speaker 1: One Nation leader. It's her first interview since that judge's decision.
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Speaker 1: I've never seen a so shattered she couldn't at first
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Speaker 1: speak from crying.
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Speaker 2: I'm sorry, just give me a minute.
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Speaker 1: Pauline Hanson, thanks for coming on the show. I can
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Speaker 1: tell how upset you are that reacts that decision. That
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Speaker 1: legal case seems to have knocked you for absolute six.
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Speaker 1: What do you think about it? Good?
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Speaker 2: Sorry, it has Andrew. You know, I just feel that
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Speaker 2: the country's changed so much in such a way that
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Speaker 2: people can't say what they think anymore. The thought police
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Speaker 2: are out there, everyone shut down to having an opinion.
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Speaker 2: It's not the country that I grew up in. And
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Speaker 2: you know, people may criticize my comment. I've never changed
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Speaker 2: since the first end of politics nearly, you know, thirty
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Speaker 2: years ago. But I think that the decision made I
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Speaker 2: think was unfair, unjust and a bit hard. But I'm
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Speaker 2: not going to give up. I am going to appeal
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Speaker 2: against it. I am going to fight this, and Andrew.
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Speaker 2: It's not just about pulling Hanson. It's about the people
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Speaker 2: themselves having the right to have an opinion, to have
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Speaker 2: a say, and eighteen C has to go. That's why
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Speaker 2: I have to fight this. And it's just giving people
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Speaker 2: back there their freedoms, their rights, you know, the men
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Speaker 2: and women that fought for our democracy, our freedom and
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Speaker 2: speech that's been stripped from us, and astones just don't
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Speaker 2: realize that. I just feel my whole life, my time
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Speaker 2: in politics, has just been one battle after another. And
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Speaker 2: I'm going to sit here and feel sorry for myself.
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Speaker 2: I chose to get into politics. I chose to stand
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Speaker 2: up for my immorals, my values, my principles and hans
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Speaker 2: you know, I'm in the situation that I am now
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Speaker 2: so anyway, it's just another fight I've got to take on.
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Speaker 1: Well, just another fight, Pauline. But since you got involved
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Speaker 1: in politics, you were jailed and the false charges later
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Speaker 1: free acquitted. You've been vilified, You've been attacked by protesters
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Speaker 1: have physically confronted you. You've been vilified, of course, and
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Speaker 1: now this, How does this rate compare to the other things?
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Speaker 1: Because I see you more upset than I've seen you for.
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Speaker 1: I don't know how long.
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Speaker 2: I think that. My family, my close friends say to me,
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Speaker 2: it never stops with you, does it. It's always one
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Speaker 2: thing after another. I think because my stance on politics
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Speaker 2: and I say my say what's on my mind, and
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Speaker 2: I don't back away. And I'm not there's career politicians.
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Speaker 2: I just see myself as an Augery Australian. My father
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Speaker 2: said politics is a dirty game. He said, you will
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Speaker 2: ever change anything, And I said, Dad, because of people
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Speaker 2: like you and your attitude, that's why nothing will ever change.
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Speaker 2: I said, I don't know if I'll ever change anything,
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Speaker 2: but I won't know unless they have a go.
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Speaker 1: You said that when you wrote that tweet piss off
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Speaker 1: back to Pakistan, you did not know that Faruki was
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Speaker 1: Muslim now I don't frankly know why it makes any
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Speaker 1: difference whether you knew that or not. The judge didn't
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Speaker 1: believe you, and to be honest, I don't know either.
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Speaker 1: I think you did know, maybe you forgot. I don't
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Speaker 1: know that said. Did you write piss off back to
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Speaker 1: Pakistan because Senator Feriki was Muslim or brown?
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Speaker 2: Not at all, Not at all, Andrew, and I can
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Speaker 2: say that, honestly, it never entered my mind at the
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Speaker 2: time of putting out that tweet that she was Muslim
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Speaker 2: or the color of her skin. I was just so
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Speaker 2: upset at her comments about the Queen the day the
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Speaker 2: Queen died and the judge said that I instigated other
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Speaker 2: tweets from other people. They were hurtful to her. Do
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Speaker 2: you know that my tweet went out nearly five hours
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Speaker 2: after she put hers out, so people responded to her
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Speaker 2: regardless of what I'd put out. The people of Australia
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Speaker 2: were angry of what she said. It was despicable, it
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Speaker 2: was hurtful, and I felt belittled as an Australian that
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Speaker 2: was born here and I getting fed up with calling her.
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Speaker 2: You know, we're a colonist. We stole the land. Now
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Speaker 2: I've had a gutful of it, and so have many
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Speaker 2: other millions of Australians. She's not the first time that
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Speaker 2: I've told someone to go back to where they came from.
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Speaker 2: I said it to Darren Hinch, I've said it to
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Speaker 2: another someone.
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Speaker 3: Else in.
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Speaker 2: I think it was Victoria. They brought it to my attention.
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Speaker 2: She's not the first one color of the skin. It
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Speaker 2: mays nothing to me, nothing at all, animals and that's
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Speaker 2: got nothing to do with it.
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Speaker 1: I think there was that presumption in the judge's mind
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Speaker 1: that it was as well. Pauline. I'm told your legal
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Speaker 1: costs and marrying Ferrukis, which you must also pay for,
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Speaker 1: add up to around nine hundred thousand dollars. How much
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Speaker 1: financial strife is your party now?
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Speaker 2: In Landrew It's been hard for us, you know, to
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Speaker 2: try and do fundraising and I do think the people
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Speaker 2: have become members of the party who are actually you know,
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Speaker 2: have supported us in our in our shop to buy
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Speaker 2: the merchandise which has helped us. And we do fundraising
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Speaker 2: where we can. You know, it's not easy. We don't
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Speaker 2: get the big corporate donations like the other political parties.
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Speaker 2: Just a struggling minor party and trying to keep the
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Speaker 2: operation running. I think we've done a fantastic job to date,
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Speaker 2: but we don't have the millions in the bank that
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Speaker 2: you know, the other political parties have, and every step
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Speaker 2: of the way they've tried to stop me financially. I
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Speaker 2: just had a defamation case with Ryan Burst and which
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Speaker 2: I won on appeal, but that's cost us four hundred
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Speaker 2: thousand dollars. You know, it's just never ending. It is
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Speaker 2: a financial strain.
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Speaker 1: I can't understand why, and I think that's what they want.
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Speaker 1: I just can't understand why someone like Mirroring Ferruki or
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Speaker 1: any other politicians. They've got freedom of speech in parliament total.
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Speaker 1: I don't know why they need to go to court
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Speaker 1: to shut up their political opponents. Why don't they just
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Speaker 1: sort it out by debate, by putting out their own
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Speaker 1: tweets or saying something on the floor of parliament. Are
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Speaker 1: you astonished that this has had to go to court?
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Speaker 2: I am absolutely astonished. Her tweet was never taken into consideration,
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Speaker 2: although she was taken me to court for my comments,
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Speaker 2: and you know I've I did respond to it. I know,
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Speaker 2: you know, some people didn't agree, but a lot of
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Speaker 2: australiands the response that I've heard a lot of Australians
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Speaker 2: agreed with me that what I said, I don't I'm
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Speaker 2: not going to say no. I won't say anymore. I've
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Speaker 2: got to go to an appeal. And I've just.
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Speaker 1: Well, look, we're all having to take three times before yeah,
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Speaker 1: well good on you having to think of it three
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Speaker 1: times before we say anything now. But I've had scores
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Speaker 1: of people. You mentioned that that's going to cost you,
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Speaker 1: that apeal is going to cost you about two hundred
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Speaker 1: thousand dollars or more. I'm guessing I've had scores of
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Speaker 1: people telling me since I've written about this, Pauline, that
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Speaker 1: they want to do to a legal fund for you.
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Speaker 1: How can they do that?
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Speaker 2: If people want to do that, which I thank them
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Speaker 2: from the bottom of my heart, they can go to
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Speaker 2: the one Nation website one nation dot org dot au
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Speaker 2: and there is a donate button they can donate to that,
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Speaker 2: and that is going to be a separate account just
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Speaker 2: to pay for this legal cost. And I can guarantee
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Speaker 2: the money will not be used for anything else but
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Speaker 2: to fight this. And in many ways I feel terrible
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Speaker 2: to ask people for their help and assistance.
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Speaker 1: But here it is Pauline. You're not up for re
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Speaker 1: election at the next election in March or April. You're
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Speaker 1: being elected unto you're going on to the election after that.
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Speaker 1: But if you thought of her quitting now, we're just
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Speaker 1: bailing out.
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Speaker 3: No, I'm not.
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Speaker 2: I'm going to see my term out in twenty twenty
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Speaker 2: eight when I'm up for reelection, I'm going to reassess it.
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Speaker 4: Then.
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Speaker 2: I'm hopeful that at the next federal election that One
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Speaker 2: Nation will be hoped to pick up some sentence seats
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Speaker 2: and I hope the people in New South Wales get
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Speaker 2: behome voting for one Nation, and that I'd like to
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Speaker 2: see Marine Fruki lose her seat at the next federal election.
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Speaker 1: Paulin Hanson, thank you so much for talking to us.
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Speaker 2: Thank you very very much for having me on, Andrew,
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Speaker 2: and thank you to the people of Australia for your support.
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Speaker 1: Bad news today in the economy. The Reserve Bank this
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Speaker 1: afternoon said no, it is not cutting interest rates. Real
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Speaker 1: inflation is just too high three and a half percent,
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Speaker 1: and it won't drop to where it should be for
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Speaker 1: at least another year, which hurts the Alberaneze government. It
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Speaker 1: desperately wants an interest rate cut. Before the election, the
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Speaker 1: Reserve Bank also said growth this year would be not
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Speaker 1: the one point seven percent it expected, but an even
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Speaker 1: weaker one point five percent. And you think, with all
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Speaker 1: this country's advantages, you've got mountains of coal, oceans of gas, uranium,
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Speaker 1: iron or endless farmland, how could we be in this
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Speaker 1: strife that takes not just in competence but ideological idiocy.
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Speaker 1: But speaking of that idiocy, how about our new form
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Speaker 1: of apartheid less? This example a new South Wales surf
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Speaker 1: Life Saving Club having to pay four times now for
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Speaker 1: welcome to country ceremonies five hundred dollars a pop before
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Speaker 1: traditional owners would let it use the beach for events.
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Speaker 1: How many times must you actually be welcome to the
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Speaker 1: very same bit of our land? Join me is out Tuesday,
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Speaker 1: Regular Commentatortional Senator Matt Canavan the form of Resources Minister, Matt,
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Speaker 1: good to see you. Race politics in this country seems
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Speaker 1: to be so out of control, so divisive. Pauline Hanson
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Speaker 1: now muzzled Surflow shaving club having to pay four times
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Speaker 1: so welcome to countries? What's to be done?
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Speaker 3: Well?
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Speaker 5: Look, I just saw that interview with Pauline and it
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Speaker 5: was hard to watch.
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Speaker 3: It was harrowing.
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Speaker 5: That's taken a huge personal toll on Pauline, and it's
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Speaker 5: incredibly sad to see our political system devolve into this
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Speaker 5: sort of weaponized legalization of politics like you see in
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Speaker 5: the United States. As you rightly summed up there a
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Speaker 5: few minutes ago. We all as politicians have significant platforms
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Speaker 5: and we have plenty of opportunity to respond to our
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Speaker 5: political opponents and people who tell us say bad things
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Speaker 5: about us. It's just really regrettable when you see it
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Speaker 5: going to the courts like this. And I too, like Pauline,
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Speaker 5: hope that the message for all Australians is to vote
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Speaker 5: the Greens out. They're a poison in our political system.
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Speaker 5: We've seen in Queensland they lose half their seats. People
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Speaker 5: need to wake up to what they're really about. They're
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Speaker 5: not about cuddling Kowalas anymore. They're about destroying large parts
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Speaker 5: of our natural landscape for their mates in the renewable
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Speaker 5: energy industry. And they take a device of political strategy
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Speaker 5: here to Canberra which is against our nation's interests and
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Speaker 5: it leads to the outcomes we've seen on the TV tonight.
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Speaker 5: Now also on this specific example here you've raised, I
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Speaker 5: do think this is something that's become worse in the
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Speaker 5: last few years. We've had the Native Title Act since
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Speaker 5: the mid nineteen nineties and there was never a problem
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Speaker 5: in a coexistence between the traditional and cultural rights of
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Speaker 5: Aboriginal Australians and other Australians who want to use that
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Speaker 5: area for agriculture, to access a beach in this case,
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Speaker 5: for other common activities in the bush like watering points,
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Speaker 5: stock roots, etc. I've only been in recent years when
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Speaker 5: we've seen this, this highly divisive form of race politics
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Speaker 5: where suddenly we're pitting Australians against Australians. Now, maybe, unfortunately
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Speaker 5: needs to be some reform of the Act. It probably
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Speaker 5: just worked because we were all good manally before, but
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Speaker 5: maybe we need to look at reforming the Native Title
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Speaker 5: Act to make sure that the common interests of Australians
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Speaker 5: in areas like beaches are maintained and are not for
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Speaker 5: the exclusive use of just some Australians.
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Speaker 1: Matt just quickly, we've got a short segment tonight because
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Speaker 1: that extended Paul Enhancing interview. Another astonishing judgment released on
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Speaker 1: Melbourne Cup Day. The ABC set up a review into
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Speaker 1: how extra gunshots happen to be edited into footage in
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Speaker 1: three ABC reports about a commander unit of Afghanistan, all
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Speaker 1: giving the false impression this unit was firing at civilians
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Speaker 1: of Warchrome. An interview was also doctor to give the
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Speaker 1: false impression the American official was criticizing that unit, led
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Speaker 1: by Heston Russell. The OBC review said, well, look those
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Speaker 1: he it's wet, deliberate, there was just accidents. Do you
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Speaker 1: buy that?
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Speaker 3: I buy it for a second.
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Speaker 5: I mean I read that the person appointed to do
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Speaker 5: this review himself as an ex ABC I think director
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Speaker 5: or employee of some kind. I don't think that's hardly
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Speaker 5: at arms length independent investigation.
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Speaker 3: This is typical of the ABC that when there.
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Speaker 5: Are complaints about their conduct, they all do an internal
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Speaker 5: review and surprise, surprise, normally exempt themselves from any criticisms.
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Speaker 3: So I don't buy it for a second.
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Speaker 5: It's a shocking lapse of standards from our national broadcaster
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Speaker 5: to accuse and one of our soldiers, someone who puts
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Speaker 5: their life on the line for our country, of such
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Speaker 5: shocking behavior. And I don't think they've adequately apologized or
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Speaker 5: paid a price to Heston Russell for this terrible, terrible.
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Speaker 3: Demonization of his character.
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Speaker 1: Accident that the editing buttons just I don't know they've
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Speaker 1: pressed themselves. How about that, Matt Canavan, thank you so
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Speaker 1: much for your time after they break the US election
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Speaker 1: the first results. We have the first results already from
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Speaker 1: the US election. The tony New Hampshire town of Dicksville
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Speaker 1: not voted at midnight. There's just six voters there. This
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Speaker 1: is real left wing territory. Four years ago, every voter
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Speaker 1: there voted for Biden, not one for Donald Trump. But
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Speaker 1: this time Trump and come on the Harris each got
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Speaker 1: three votes, which is ominous for her, of course, only
23:38
Speaker 1: six in allbit that said, many polls, in fact say
23:41
Speaker 1: that Harris is level with Trump even ahead, which, if true,
23:45
Speaker 1: is incredible that someone so clearly clueless could soon lead
23:48
Speaker 1: the world's most powerful nation. And if that happens, Trump
23:52
Speaker 1: can blame only himself, well not just himself, after All's
23:55
Speaker 1: had to fight the lying media that's been even painting
23:58
Speaker 1: as the new Hitler, and is had to fight Democrat
24:01
Speaker 1: prosecutors misusing their power to try to get him jailed
24:04
Speaker 1: or disqualified. But Trump has at times been chaotic and undisciplined,
24:09
Speaker 1: too crude. And that's the paradox with this bloke. Trump's
24:13
Speaker 1: strengths can be his weaknesses too, and most men or women,
24:17
Speaker 1: they'd have walked away rather than be trashed like he's
24:20
Speaker 1: being threatened with jail even shot. How arrogant must you
24:24
Speaker 1: be to go through all that? But Trump's arrogance and
24:28
Speaker 1: his reluctance to take advice probably also explains the bad
24:31
Speaker 1: that we've seen in these past two weeks, in particular
24:35
Speaker 1: weeks in which Harris seen for a while to regain momentum.
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Speaker 1: I was worried. I am worried still. Trump today closed
24:41
Speaker 1: this campaign by hammering the message that should be all
24:44
Speaker 1: he needed to say to win, contrasting his four years
24:48
Speaker 1: as president with the four years under Joe Barden and
24:50
Speaker 1: Vice President Harris, which gave the US high inflation to
24:53
Speaker 1: some ten million illegal immigrants.
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Speaker 6: I'd like to begin by asking a very very simple
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Speaker 6: and easy to understand question. Are you better off now
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Speaker 6: than you were four years ago?
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Speaker 1: Does anybody disagree? Is the top three Trump mistakes that
25:16
Speaker 1: I think have given Harris still a sniff, even though
25:20
Speaker 1: she's a woman so vacuous that she hasn't dared hold
25:23
Speaker 1: one press conference in the entire campaign. First mistake Trump
25:28
Speaker 1: refusing to say he'd ban a bill from Congress banning abortion.
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Speaker 6: I'm not saying a band, and there's no reason to
25:34
Speaker 6: sayn a band, because we've gotten what everybody wanted.
25:39
Speaker 1: I know such a bill would never happen, but women
25:41
Speaker 1: are now voting overwhelmingly for Harris. Trump was also so
25:45
Speaker 1: arrogant and discipline that, for one, he didn't prepare properly
25:49
Speaker 1: for its debate with Harris and repeated crazy urban myths
25:52
Speaker 1: about illegal immigrants that made him look unseerious.
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Speaker 7: In Springfield, they're eating the dogs the people that came in.
26:02
Speaker 7: They're eating the cats, they're eating they're eating the pets
26:07
Speaker 7: of the people that live there.
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Speaker 1: His campaign ting also let crazies get too close to Trump,
26:16
Speaker 1: the conspiracy coop Tucker Carson, who says America is being
26:20
Speaker 1: punished with hurricanes for allowing abortion, or the idiot comedian
26:24
Speaker 1: at Trump's New York rally who insulted Puerto Rican voters
26:27
Speaker 1: just when Trump needs the Latino vote.
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Speaker 8: There's literally a floating island of garbage in the middle
26:34
Speaker 8: of the ocean right now. Yeah, I think it's called
26:37
Speaker 8: Puerto Rico. Okay, all right, okay, we're getting there.
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Speaker 1: States like these were turning the election into a referendum
26:47
Speaker 1: just on Trump, as if voters didn't have to consider
26:50
Speaker 1: that if they voted against Trump, that get Harris. Now,
26:54
Speaker 1: I still suspect that Trump will win, but if he
26:56
Speaker 1: does lose, these are reasons why from Rayleigh North Carolina
27:02
Speaker 1: is Sky New's host, James Morrow, James Murray, Great to
27:06
Speaker 1: see you. You are in North Carolina. That's one of
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Speaker 1: the battleground states, the seven states we're told will decide
27:14
Speaker 1: the election. That's in the West. You've got Nevada in Arizona,
27:17
Speaker 1: and then you've got Georgia, North Carolina where you are, Michigan, Wisconsin,
27:22
Speaker 1: and then the big one Pennsylvania. What are the polls
27:26
Speaker 1: telling us about those seven states?
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Speaker 9: Okay, well, let's go through the big one first here. Pennsylvania.
27:33
Speaker 9: That's a really key one. That's where everybody thinks all
27:36
Speaker 9: the money is. There's nineteen electoral votes in that and
27:38
Speaker 9: if you win that, that allows you so much more
27:41
Speaker 9: play with these other swing states. So the other interesting
27:44
Speaker 9: thing about that, though, Andrew, is because of their peculiar rules,
27:47
Speaker 9: they can't start counting there early in absentee ballots until
27:50
Speaker 9: seven am the morning after the election, so it could
27:53
Speaker 9: be quite some time before we know what is the
27:56
Speaker 9: result in Pennsylvania. I know this seems insane to Australians,
27:59
Speaker 9: where we have a country of twenty seven million people
28:02
Speaker 9: and we managed to get it all done on the night.
28:04
Speaker 9: But there you go. That's Pennsylvania for you. Now going
28:07
Speaker 9: around the traps with that, I think Nevada and Arizona
28:10
Speaker 9: or the Sun Belt, everybody is saying that's going to
28:12
Speaker 9: be a lock for Trump. Where it gets really interesting, though,
28:15
Speaker 9: is with Michigan and Wisconsin. Wisconsin almost never goes Republican,
28:20
Speaker 9: so if it does, that's a big victory for the
28:22
Speaker 9: Trump campaign. Those two seats there are supposed to go,
28:27
Speaker 9: according to the polls, to the Harris Waltz team to
28:30
Speaker 9: the Democrats, but at the moment there's some talk that
28:32
Speaker 9: those could be wiggily here. So if one of those goes,
28:35
Speaker 9: then suddenly that means that Pennsylvania is less important. That
28:38
Speaker 9: also means North Carolina, where I'm in, also expected according
28:42
Speaker 9: to the average of polls, but one point five points
28:45
Speaker 9: advantage for Trump if that falls away, If something weird
28:48
Speaker 9: happens here, that's less important. And Andrew, let me throw
28:51
Speaker 9: in a few wild cards for you. Number one, New
28:53
Speaker 9: Hampshire four electoral votes. Sounds like a small amount, but
28:57
Speaker 9: if Trump winds up flipping that, that gives him more
29:00
Speaker 9: of that margin. Because it's just about getting to two
29:02
Speaker 9: hundred and seventy votes and Virginia thirteen electoral votes. Well, again,
29:07
Speaker 9: not likely to go Trump's way, but if there is
29:10
Speaker 9: some sort of sense that, you know, as we say,
29:11
Speaker 9: when the swing is on, the swing is on. If
29:14
Speaker 9: that goes and it could because remember they chose that
29:16
Speaker 9: Republican governor in Glenn Youngkin, then again this looks like
29:21
Speaker 9: a very different map.
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Speaker 1: Well if you judge where a campaign is at by
29:26
Speaker 1: where the candidates are campaigning. I see Harris spending all
29:31
Speaker 1: the final day campaigning in Pennsylvania. Three rallies there, suggests
29:36
Speaker 1: that she thinks it's all to that one state. Trump
29:39
Speaker 1: is campaigning there as well, but also spending the day
29:42
Speaker 1: in North Carolina and Michigan. So what do What do
29:47
Speaker 1: those travel plans tell you?
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Speaker 9: Okay, what the travel plans tell me is that the
29:53
Speaker 9: Harris campaign is definitely nervous about Pennsylvania. You know, She's
29:57
Speaker 9: had three, as you say, big rallies there. I think
30:00
Speaker 9: she's closing it out. She's closed it out on the
30:02
Speaker 9: steps of the big building in Philadelphia. You know, are
30:05
Speaker 9: Rocky Balboa ran up the stairs in Philadelphia with a
30:08
Speaker 9: whole big, celebrity studded concert essentially, which has been the
30:13
Speaker 9: theme for a campaign. You know, her campaign has not
30:15
Speaker 9: been any sort of ideas or policies or substance. It's
30:19
Speaker 9: really just been about this whole sort of celebrity culture,
30:22
Speaker 9: getting all the singers and actors everydo to come out
30:25
Speaker 9: perform and make it almost sort of like a variety
30:27
Speaker 9: show rather than a political campaign where there's policy discussed.
30:32
Speaker 9: So I think the Harris campaign is really nervous with Pennsylvania.
30:35
Speaker 9: They must have some internals that are saying, go there,
30:38
Speaker 9: keep that as short up as you can. I think
30:40
Speaker 9: Trump may be a little more confident in that he
30:42
Speaker 9: can go and play a bit in North Carolina and
30:45
Speaker 9: elsewhere on this last day to keep those in the fold.
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Speaker 1: How about he finishing these two campaigns, I mean, what
30:51
Speaker 1: is the mood, what are the themes? I have been
30:55
Speaker 1: concerned that Trump has had a very ragged last couple
30:58
Speaker 1: of weeks the momentum was going against him, it seemed
31:03
Speaker 1: to me. And as of yesterday, Kamala Harris seemed like
31:07
Speaker 1: almost now favorite to win. You hearing today people saying
31:11
Speaker 1: she's favorite to win. What are you as sensing?
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Speaker 9: Look, there was a lot of noise around that that
31:20
Speaker 9: poll out of Iowa, the Seltzer poll shock you know,
31:23
Speaker 9: you know, yeah, shock poll shock poll shows Harris is
31:26
Speaker 9: going to be you know, the romping in across the country.
31:29
Speaker 9: You know, they took this one poll with some very
31:31
Speaker 9: strange sort of cross tabs suggesting that there were thirty
31:34
Speaker 9: points swings in some female demographics over the course of
31:37
Speaker 9: four years, to suggest that this is going to be
31:40
Speaker 9: a national problem for Trump. And then everybody sort of
31:43
Speaker 9: calmed down, you know, had a cold drink of water
31:45
Speaker 9: and said, yeah, no, I'm not sure that's going to happen.
31:47
Speaker 9: And then I think the fundamentals are gonna come back
31:49
Speaker 9: Trump's way. And remember too, here's the other thing about momentum.
31:52
Speaker 9: You know, we have an election season now, Andrew in America,
31:55
Speaker 9: we don't know election day, so so much of the
31:58
Speaker 9: vote has already been cast. Eighty million votes have already
32:02
Speaker 9: been cast. That's a huge number of votes were doing cast.
32:05
Speaker 9: So there's a lot less play in the needle for
32:08
Speaker 9: things at the end of the campaign to shift things
32:10
Speaker 9: one way or the other. So things like that, Paul,
32:13
Speaker 9: or a momentum shift, Well, you're shifting momentum with an
32:16
Speaker 9: exhausted pile of ballots.
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Speaker 1: James to Morrow, thank you so much, indeed for your time.
32:23
Speaker 3: Anytime.
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Speaker 9: Andrew, thanks so much.
32:25
Speaker 1: After the break, Anthony Albneazy will sure be hoping Trump
32:29
Speaker 1: loses after what he's been filmed saying about him. And
32:32
Speaker 1: what does the early evidence show former Ambassador Joe Hockey
32:36
Speaker 1: as the inside information. Yes, there are the polls, but
32:42
Speaker 1: there's also that information that insiders looked for in which
32:45
Speaker 1: Joe Hockey is picking up. He was their ambassadors Washington,
32:48
Speaker 1: even golfed with Donald Trump and has joined Sky News
32:52
Speaker 1: as our US politics analyst for this election. Joe Hockey,
32:57
Speaker 1: great to see you again. If Kamala Harrer is holding
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Speaker 1: all three of rallies today in Pennsylvania, I think we
33:03
Speaker 1: can safely assume she thinks this is a state with
33:06
Speaker 1: the whole election will be won or lost. What signs
33:10
Speaker 1: have you picked up about her support there?
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Speaker 10: Well, there's been a couple of bits of news that
33:18
Speaker 10: have come out of Pennsylvania in the last forty eight hours.
33:22
Speaker 10: The first is there's a big Jewish population that Biden
33:26
Speaker 10: won by seventy to thirty back in twenty twenty. That
33:32
Speaker 10: Jewish population is now splitting fifty to fifty, which means
33:36
Speaker 10: that Harris could bleed at least forty thousand votes to
33:41
Speaker 10: Trump tomorrow in Philadelphia in particular. The second issue is
33:48
Speaker 10: that there has not been the female early voter turnout
33:53
Speaker 10: that the Democrats were expecting, and in fact that's been
33:56
Speaker 10: pretty common across a number of the key states. Heard
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Speaker 10: a lot from the Democratic Party that they're expecting a
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Speaker 10: massive young female turnout, and in fact the overall female
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Speaker 10: turnout has dropped significantly on them, which does say that
34:14
Speaker 10: it's going to be a very interesting result that will
34:18
Speaker 10: go on for some days starting tomorrow night.
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Speaker 1: Now, I've been struck by how little Kamala Harris. Kamala
34:29
Speaker 1: Harris has promised in terms of serious policy has been
34:32
Speaker 1: very policy light, as her campaign really has been. I'm
34:35
Speaker 1: not Donald Trump. Trump has got a number of promises.
34:39
Speaker 1: He dropped it a big one today on the campaign's
34:42
Speaker 1: last day to hit Mexico with huge tariffs. If it
34:46
Speaker 1: didn't slow the legal immigrants coming over the border into
34:49
Speaker 1: the US from Mexico, if they.
34:54
Speaker 6: Don't start this bonslaught of criminals and drugs coming into.
34:59
Speaker 3: Our our country, I'm.
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Speaker 6: Going to immediately impose a twenty five percent tariff on
35:06
Speaker 6: everything they send in.
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Speaker 1: Joe Hockey, how big an issue has this been for him?
35:11
Speaker 1: Or really how effective?
35:16
Speaker 3: Well?
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Speaker 10: It neatly marries two of Donald Trump's policies. One is
35:19
Speaker 10: to stop the illegal flow of people out of Mexico
35:23
Speaker 10: into the United States, which is a toxic issue right
35:27
Speaker 10: across the US. And the second is his love of tariffs,
35:30
Speaker 10: which I think is bad policy and will affect the
35:33
Speaker 10: American people more than it will affect Mexico. But it
35:37
Speaker 10: marries the two of them. And that's what Donald Trump's
35:39
Speaker 10: skill is. He manages to convey a message not quite
35:44
Speaker 10: precise as we would expect in Australian political debate or
35:48
Speaker 10: in normal political debate, but he conveys a message very effectively.
35:52
Speaker 10: And he's done it again today. So it's no real surprise.
35:57
Speaker 10: And Andrew, I make this point which people aren't really
36:00
Speaker 10: thinking about. Donald Trump is going into the election tomorrow
36:05
Speaker 10: with the highest polling numbers he has ever had, far
36:09
Speaker 10: higher than when he beat Hillary Clinton in twenty sixteen,
36:13
Speaker 10: and he's currently polling much higher than he did against
36:16
Speaker 10: Joe Biden in twenty twenty.
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Speaker 1: So if you take that.
36:20
Speaker 10: Into account, the pressure is all on Harris to match
36:24
Speaker 10: the vote that Joe Biden got in twenty twenty. And
36:28
Speaker 10: you can see a number of cohorts where she is bleeding.
36:31
Speaker 10: She's bleeding votes to Trump amongst black men, she is
36:36
Speaker 10: bleeding votes to Trump amongst Hispanics, and she is bleeding
36:41
Speaker 10: votes to Trump amongst young people, which the Democrats never predicted.
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Speaker 1: That's most interesting. Well, last nighte we talked on the
36:53
Speaker 1: show about well I did anyway, Kevin Rudd, our ambassador,
36:57
Speaker 1: how are you used to smear Trump? Is a easy guy,
37:00
Speaker 1: a threat to democracy, dangerous man of violence, et cetera,
37:05
Speaker 1: et cetera. But our Prime minister himself trash Trump seven
37:09
Speaker 1: years ago. The splendor in the grass festival here.
37:11
Speaker 3: Is like, how do you deal with Trump?
37:14
Speaker 11: Like with trepidation?
37:17
Speaker 3: Yeah, but how do you get by? Like how do
37:20
Speaker 3: you tempt your language?
37:22
Speaker 11: Well, you've got to deal with who was elected. So
37:27
Speaker 11: we have an alliance with the US. We've got to
37:28
Speaker 11: deal with him. But that doesn't mean that you're uncritical
37:33
Speaker 11: about it. He's scared aad of me.
37:36
Speaker 1: Joe Hockey, the opposition say, says those comments were reckless
37:39
Speaker 1: and irresponsible. What do you call them? Well, clearly they were.
37:45
Speaker 10: But for the sake of Australia, I hope that if
37:49
Speaker 10: Donald Trump's elected Anthony Albanez he takes a different attitude
37:54
Speaker 10: towards the President of the United States. It's I understand
37:58
Speaker 10: where people come from in their criticism of Donald Trump.
38:01
Speaker 10: I mean, we've all done it, but you know that's
38:04
Speaker 10: not a great foundation upon which to build a new relationship.
38:10
Speaker 1: What is it that the left in Australia doesn't get
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Speaker 1: about Donald Trump.
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Speaker 10: I don't think it's just in Australia, Andrew. I think
38:18
Speaker 10: it's around the world. A whole lot of people just
38:22
Speaker 10: don't understand that. You know, it's not a great love
38:26
Speaker 10: of Donald Trump. I mean I keep saying this. You know,
38:29
Speaker 10: the Republicans out there are not absolutely besided with Donald Trump.
38:34
Speaker 10: They are backing him for his policies, the policies that
38:39
Speaker 10: represent their values. Lower taxes, less regulation, independence of the nation,
38:45
Speaker 10: securing your boardance protecting freedom, freedom of expression, freedom to vote,
38:51
Speaker 10: freedom to not vote, freedom to be a part of
38:54
Speaker 10: a community. They're the values that are behind Donald Trump.
38:58
Speaker 10: Donald Trump has built a coal that stretches from Elon
39:01
Speaker 10: Musk to the everyday white truck driver of America who
39:07
Speaker 10: never went to university and probably earned seventy thousand dollars
39:10
Speaker 10: a year, and it's all based on policy consistency right
39:14
Speaker 10: across the board. Whereas you said a little bit earlier, KRMLA.
39:19
Speaker 10: Harris has built a coalition that stretches from Liz Cheney
39:21
Speaker 10: to Bernie Sanders, and it's only based on I'm not
39:25
Speaker 10: Donald Trump, only based on that.
39:28
Speaker 3: Extraordinary, isn't it.
39:30
Speaker 10: I mean Liz Cheney to Bernie Sanders and AOC. You know,
39:35
Speaker 10: that's remarkable and it's the only thing that unites them.
39:38
Speaker 10: And it comes back to the fact, what can you
39:41
Speaker 10: say about Donald Trump today that hasn't been said repeatedly
39:45
Speaker 10: either by Donald Trump or his greatest critics over the
39:49
Speaker 10: last ten years.
39:53
Speaker 1: Well, fascinating analysis. I think you've talked to quite a
39:58
Speaker 1: few Trump voters off the ledge. Joe Hockey, what an
40:02
Speaker 1: election campaign has been amazing and I do think it'll
40:07
Speaker 1: be so consequential the result. Thank you so much for
40:10
Speaker 1: your time anytime, Andrew, anytime White House spokesman on Trump's
40:17
Speaker 1: chances and what he'll do, how dangerous he'll be if
40:21
Speaker 1: he wins or won't be. Our Americans right now really
40:28
Speaker 1: voting for a dictator as their next president. To someone
40:32
Speaker 1: who knows Donald Trump better than most and knows the
40:35
Speaker 1: polls Sean Spicer, who is Trump's first White House spokesman,
40:40
Speaker 1: Sean Sposer. Great to see you on this last day
40:43
Speaker 1: of the campaign, which has been extraordinary. I've thought that
40:47
Speaker 1: the Donald Trump's campaign in the last couple of weeks
40:50
Speaker 1: has been a little bit undisciplined, ragged that I thought
40:53
Speaker 1: that he was throwing away what should have been an
40:55
Speaker 1: easy win. There's some better side today, How do you
41:01
Speaker 1: see it?
41:03
Speaker 4: Well, look, just to be clear, the way our country
41:05
Speaker 4: is divided, I don't know there was going to be
41:06
Speaker 4: an easy win, but I do think that we've talked
41:09
Speaker 4: about this in the past, Andrew. When Donald Trump is
41:12
Speaker 4: able to contrast his record of four years as president
41:15
Speaker 4: with her four years as vice president, there's no question
41:19
Speaker 4: that the American people have a clear and easy choice.
41:22
Speaker 4: To be honest with you whether it's domestic policy, taxes,
41:25
Speaker 4: border security, or even the chaos that exists foreign policy.
41:29
Speaker 4: That being said, we're at the phase now where votes matter.
41:33
Speaker 2: Right.
41:34
Speaker 4: Polls and yard signs and spending money and commercials are
41:38
Speaker 4: all nice to talk about, but this is when the
41:40
Speaker 4: rubber hits the road. And when you look, you can
41:43
Speaker 4: see over and over again it's the Republican side led
41:47
Speaker 4: by Donald Trump. It's actually exceeding where it's always been
41:50
Speaker 4: on the early vote, and it's Democrats underperforming. So you
41:53
Speaker 4: take a state like Pennsylvania, must win state nineteen electoral votes.
41:58
Speaker 4: Joe Biden won that state on early vote by one
42:01
Speaker 4: point three million votes. Early vote counts came out today
42:06
Speaker 4: the Democrats have about a four hundred and two thousand
42:09
Speaker 4: vote lead. So you think about I mean, that's a
42:12
Speaker 4: nine hundred vote thousand swing in the direction of Donald Trump.
42:18
Speaker 4: That's huge. And we're seeing that in Nevada, in Ohio, Georgia,
42:24
Speaker 4: every state Republicans that are consequential in terms of the
42:28
Speaker 4: battleground states. Republicans are outperforming where they have an early vote,
42:32
Speaker 4: and Democrats are underperforming, especially in those key urban areas
42:38
Speaker 4: where you would think that they could really turn out
42:40
Speaker 4: a lot of people of color. For example.
42:45
Speaker 1: Well, this is a strange because it seemed to me
42:48
Speaker 1: that Kamala Harris was surging over the last couple of
42:54
Speaker 1: weeks as side of the polls told this. But mind you,
42:58
Speaker 1: I've had real trouble believing half the oppos have been seen.
43:04
Speaker 1: What do you think has been clinching it for Trump
43:06
Speaker 1: in the closing days?
43:07
Speaker 4: Then, I think it's very simple, to be honest with you.
43:12
Speaker 4: I think there were a lot of people that, especially
43:15
Speaker 4: after Joe Biden got pushed out, that were willing to
43:18
Speaker 4: give her a chance, if you will, to listen to her,
43:21
Speaker 4: to think that there might be an alternative. And frankly,
43:25
Speaker 4: they haven't heard anything worth selling, right. I've heard more
43:29
Speaker 4: and more people tell me that they were never Trump,
43:32
Speaker 4: that they weren't going to vote for Trump. But Kamala
43:35
Speaker 4: Harris hasn't you know, the little that she has said
43:37
Speaker 4: on issues, people don't like it. The economy is not
43:41
Speaker 4: where it should be, Inflation still hot, too high for
43:43
Speaker 4: so many families around the country. The world is in
43:46
Speaker 4: chaos under Joe Biden and Kamala Harris. The border is unsecure.
43:50
Speaker 4: They were looking for her to give them a reason,
43:53
Speaker 4: and she hasn't given them a reason. She hasn't closed
43:56
Speaker 4: the deal. And every time I talk to people, they say, well,
43:58
Speaker 4: I might not like Trump's personality, I might not like
44:01
Speaker 4: some of the things he said, but for four years
44:03
Speaker 4: we were safe and secure and prosperous.
44:08
Speaker 1: We'll take us. We've all been focusing on Pennsylvania, right,
44:12
Speaker 1: that's in the northeast, a real bill where this state.
44:17
Speaker 1: It's got a lot of college votes there. But where
44:24
Speaker 1: might the election surprises? Are he looking at any other states?
44:27
Speaker 1: Do you think, wow, we didn't see that one or
44:30
Speaker 1: a lot of people didn't see that one coming.
44:33
Speaker 4: Well, it's not just that, yes, because I am particularly
44:36
Speaker 4: I'm going to be looking at New Hampshire. It's in
44:38
Speaker 4: New England, not a big state, so you know you're
44:41
Speaker 4: not going to get a ton of electoral votes out
44:43
Speaker 4: of that. But what I will tell you is that
44:47
Speaker 4: it comes in early and Joe Biden won that handily
44:51
Speaker 4: in twenty twenty. Donald Trump barely lost it in twenty sixteen,
44:56
Speaker 4: and there have been some polls showing it really tightening.
44:58
Speaker 4: And my point is is that if Donald Trump comes
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Speaker 4: within one or two points or actually wins New Hampshire.
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Speaker 4: It's going to be a great night for him. North
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Speaker 4: Carolina closes around seven thirty pm Eastern, and so again,
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Speaker 4: if you look at some of those counties around the
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Speaker 4: Charlotte area and the Democrats are not performing the way
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Speaker 4: that they should, that's going to be a good night
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Speaker 4: for Donald Trump. So I would say look to North
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Speaker 4: Carolina early, look to New Hampshire, even look at Northern Virginia.
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Speaker 4: I am very bullish on tomorrow. And we may talk
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Speaker 4: next week and you may say, yeah, you were off,
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Speaker 4: but I have Donald Trump at you know, three hundred
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Speaker 4: and six electoral votes. I think it's going to be
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Speaker 4: a good night for him.
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Speaker 1: The president you're seeing or the candidate' seeing Donald Trump
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Speaker 1: on the stump years from the time that you were
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Speaker 1: dealing with the first election campaign, the successful one that
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Speaker 1: he ran. Looking at him now compared to looking at
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Speaker 1: what he was then, what do you expect a new
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Speaker 1: Trump administration that looked like?
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Speaker 4: Great question? I think that in twenty sixteen, Donald Trump
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Speaker 4: went into the White House with high expectations and a
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Speaker 4: lot of trust in people to do the right thing
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Speaker 4: and to do what they said they were doing. A
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Speaker 4: lot of people let Donald Trump down they went in
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Speaker 4: the administration because they wanted to fulfill an agenda that
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Speaker 4: they had. They didn't recognize that it was his win
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Speaker 4: and his agenda that they were supposed to be fulfilling.
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Speaker 4: I think the President enters the White House this cycle
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Speaker 4: a lot wiser, a lot more, maybe cautious about some
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Speaker 4: of the key personnel decisions he makes. Not because he
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Speaker 4: got but I think in a lot of plays, a
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Speaker 4: lot of people weren't straight with him last time about
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Speaker 4: why they were joining the administration. And so I think
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Speaker 4: he comes in wiser, stronger, and more focused.
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Speaker 1: And we've heard so much show Inspire Sir about Donald
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Speaker 1: Trump of being you hit the end of democracy. This
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Speaker 1: is an election for freedom. We've got to stop him.
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Speaker 1: He'll be locking up opponents when he if he settles
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Speaker 1: down behind the disk in the White House Again, what
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Speaker 1: sort of government do you actually administration? Do you actually predict?
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Speaker 4: Look, Donald Trump's a pretty transparent guy, right He's talked
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Speaker 4: about securing the border, about energy independence. I think you're
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Speaker 4: going to see both of those issues front and center
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Speaker 4: on day one. I don't think that you're going to
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Speaker 4: see that many surprises beyond what he has stated. He's
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Speaker 4: got a lot on his agenda coming out of the gate.
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Speaker 4: He's talked about what he would do day one, and
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Speaker 4: unlike Kamala Harris, who's never really been clear as to
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Speaker 4: why what position she really stands for, I think Trump
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Speaker 4: has made it clear. You're going to see exactly what
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Speaker 4: he said he did. I think in a lot of
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Speaker 4: cases you just see a continuation of what he did
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Speaker 4: in his first four years, both policy and regulatory wise.
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Speaker 1: Sean Spice say, it's been great to talk to you
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Speaker 1: all through this campaign. Loved your insights, and I'm very
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Speaker 1: glad that we'll I'll see you again tomorrow analyzing the results.
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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for your time.
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Speaker 4: See you then, sir, hopefully with some very positive deeds.
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Speaker 1: What we haven't had time to talk about is that
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Speaker 1: the polls are suggesting the Republicans will also win the
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Speaker 1: House of Representatives. I'll keep that and take back the Senate,
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Speaker 1: which will be amazing. We'll have all the election coverage
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Speaker 1: here on Sky from the morning tomorrow morning on team
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Speaker 1: of reporters, and we'll have the analysis here tonight tomorrow night.
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Speaker 1: So join us. Then that's it from me. Coming up
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Speaker 1: next Sherry Markson Good Night,