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Human Awareness With Artist and Filmmaker Michael Magrutsche · Inspiring Stories

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Thank you for listening to De Pictures Media Radio. You rat you readything to
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me? Oh well, jus well not a bad bolone you I just see
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sow splash along you an welcome back to everybody. Our next conversation is with
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Michael Bangoroo's and he wants to teach us the difference between system relevant and human
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relevant. Some of the knowledge that we have is actually system based, and
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if we don't use it day to day, well, we tend to forget
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some of it, and he wants us to focus more on our human relevant
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things, so that would be things that are creative. And he believes that
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our first superpower is human is creativity and our second and third superpowers kind of
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go hand in hand because it's dialogue and it allows us to interact with each
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other and function through the systems that were created by man. So in some
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of those things, those communication things, there's communication skills and everything that we
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know are also part of what has helped us survive as human beings for thousands
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of years. So they not only become part of our superpower, but they
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become part of the reason why we're even alive to begin with. He wants
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us to focus more on those human relevant superpowers and maybe a little less on
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the system ones so that we find a happier and maybe a better life.
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So why don't we bring Michael to the show and let's hear what he has
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to say and what he how he wants us to think about our lives at
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hand. So welcome to the show. Michael. How did there's a story
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behind you actually got started with you with your art? And how it how
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you want what the goal is is to cause an awareness? And how did
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how did you actually get started as an artist? And how did you come
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across the idea that did you can? Did you can cause a great awareness
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with it? Oh? That's an awesome question, Michael, thanks for having
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me here. I was born in Vienna, in Austria, and I came
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here twenty two to I lived to Los Angeles and what happens for I was
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a child and I went to school with when I was seven, I was
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the opposite of being conscious. I just tried to like all the young Vans
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and the lessons, want to survive. You survive day by day. You
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know, we want to get into the tribe. I couldn't. I couldn't
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because I went to school. When I was seven, I found out I'm
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completely or because I'm so nerdiverse, and I have this LEGSA combined with dysgraphia,
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which where I can't read my handwriting. And you know that was forty
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years ago, where the handhetting was everything that weren't computers, and so I
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couldn't fit in. I couldn't fit in. So the only way where I
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felt like normal, quote unquote was in the most abnormal community, the artists
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community. I felt, you know, the most abnormal community is and because
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it didn't matter there. You know, you create a you know, a
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theater piece and you don't have a guy. You just put a girl in
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there, you know, and put a mustache on her. It's just it's
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just about the product. It's not about the individal you're humans ruling hierarchy or
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anything. It's just we create a piece of art together whatever that is,
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music thing, and it has to work because it doesn't work when everybody start.
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So you have few obviously, but that's a role in team. And
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so I found myself when I was thirty and I applied for OOPS, I
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saw my god artists. Because artists you have to be deemed a society that
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when you're an award like just did you know? So you've got to be
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deemed as that if you're good or not in the eyes of society, of
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a systems, you're good or not. But basically it's not about the creator
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the product. It's about the creation process. Yeah, where you really learn.
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You don't know that, you know you have to I may broadcast them,
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you know, bringing that spark of inspiration into the article. That's why
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everybody looks artists and people that create stuff. Oh my god, I could
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never do that, but we all can do that. We're all a creative
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animals. I think we are collaborative, creative animals by nature. And so
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when I was thirty, I decide, you know, I couldn't have done
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it. I couldn't be in an accountant, So I said, there's no
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way. So this is how I got into owning that I'm artists and not
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not just waiting that somebody else says you're a great artist, you know,
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So so they owned that. And I see the difference because I talked to
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thousands of artists in my life. Even established, very established artists find it
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uncomfortable to call themselves an artist because they lack the awareness that they are.
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They think, okay, society, you know, it's just bleep when you're
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deemed to be an artist. You're an artist today and tomorrow your crack.
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You know, it's like it doesn't or you nothing, and for whatever reason,
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you created a product that people like, you're the souper artist. So
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I think that awareness when it was about thirty pivotal for me because I owned
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what I am. I owned my human centric function, a part of it,
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not the whole of it, you know. Yeah. Yeah, Then
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I grew up and that was always in art. I had great chances without
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without any education. I think nothing would have given me the chances to work
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with Robert Evans could it the Godfather? You know, and Chinatown to live
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with him, you know, nobody, nobody would have. I was also
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Arts commissioner of who could have done without I couldn't have done that job without
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an education. Uh now oh this job only see that's like this job only
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allowed me to be arts commissioned, you know, without an education, because
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I have zero education. I am completely of tough. Yeah. Well I
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remember this from growing up. When you talk about dyslexia, because there's different
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types of it, also, and I'm very dyslexic with with letters and words
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and things like that when I type emails and I and I ran a chemistry
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lab and my my, my VP supervisor said, you're not allowed to send
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emails anymore because you're writing. It's like because there's words missing, all that
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kind of stuff. But I remember growing up, did I was told that
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I would never mountain to much more than a floor sweeper because you couldn't fit
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in. They weren't good in the hierarchy. They head didn't see. This
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is in nature. You're worthy because you exist because nature doesn't make mistakes.
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Just saying I'm gonna make a millionaire fant offense too many, you know,
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and they have to somehow survive that. Itature totally imbalanced. But in systems
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you have to have system relevance. And everybody that is somehow different than we
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all are. Every human is one of one with on fingerprints, on irises,
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on DNA. We are all not fitting in because tell me one person
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you've met that said, oh, I fit in perfectly all the time,
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never unless you have the super hot and a football team. But then later
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on you might don't feed it anymore. Well, there lies The problem is
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is later on in life that they find themselves not fitting in because hey,
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oh being a football star doesn't necessarily amount to anything. A perfect example of
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that would be oh J Simpson, Yeah, you know he Then there are
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some people that I just mentioned that name to. They wouldn't even know who
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he is, either from football or anymore or anything that it's happened in his
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life. So so, but I like what you say about owning who you
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are, and for a lot of people it takes a lot longer than the
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age of thirty two to learn to own who you are. So I think
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I think I still didn't know who I am, but I knew that part
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of me, so I said I could in something else. It was like
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logical, you know, subtraction. I couldn't have been uh, you know,
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uh an accountant, the bookkeeper, a politician or anything I had.
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I had to be. I had to be what I am. You know,
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I couldn't be a doctor. So I know I have to call myself
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an artist because I have to have some systemical reference point, not for me,
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but for to say what are you? I'm an artist? And also
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it is a guide post to the direction you're going to go. If I
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wouldn't, I would have owned I love I'm healing animals or healing human and
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I love that. I want to be an m D. Then and it
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wouldn't be a problem. Then I would have studied for m D. And
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then there's a reference point that this is my it's going to be my life
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contribution to the whole because we are collaborative data, animals, you know,
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we all contribute to this reality. Yeah, and in that that is one
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important part about your your artwork and some of the things that you have done,
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is the collaboration part in Do you think that that's something that with all
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the corporate competition, you got to be the best at this or the best
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of that. That we that we're forgetting that nature part of us, that
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we have to learn to collaborate. Yea, our generations we have forgotten who
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we are that I mean, what human other than I or will tell you
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we are part of nature. It's not important. It's not important if you
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have even if we say, okay, we have part of nature. But
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what counts is the system relevancy in man mad system, a habitat that we
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created. It's not like nature created that we have that we're supposed to be
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in nature with animals, with other living being, in flancy, in harmony,
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like everything else, like every other species, we can also create.
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We also have the self awareness to create, because then I can that operation
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comes in. I can cut trees like a house or a hot out of
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it, and you can work that you can repeat it. And so we
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beat New York. So I think it's important to to be aware, not
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to learn anything, not the sec but where who are we? What is
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the human condition versus what is my system relevancy? Because system relevancy is so
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many newte compared, it's very complicated and intricate because we it wasn't dumb in
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nature m hm. But it isn't. It isn't. It isn't it isn't
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our natural being. And we have to compartmentalize that there's two worlds. This
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is the I mean, the matter worst that Facebook is a matter worse.
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It is we created animals collaborative, and we created an environment that now being
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being I think conditioned by you know the shiny object syndrome. You know that
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you find from pachology that we say, oh my god, New York,
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it's better, it's more valuable than me. But I'm a part of that
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species that created New York, that created Apple, that created Google, you
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know, right, So, so we disvalue ourselves because we value too much
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our systemic habitats and being system relevant. And I think this is where because
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I have this is where my strengths is because I have never fit in.
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So I have a perspective that is really clear and really can separate, you
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know, the product from the journey, which I found in my last book,
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The Smart of Art. I wondered why ninety nine ninety eight percent of
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art is a poor worldwide? And I dove into it, and I said,
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and I found out it's not about the art product that's like a commodity,
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you know. It's about the process of bringing in a thought into this
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reality, making a documentary out of it, making as a painting out of
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it, you know, and and and that process is important. If the
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documentary ever is liked or not, you have already gotten all your value out
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of it. You're not getting you get only systemic value but like money awards
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out of it once it's done. But your growth you got out by creating
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that documentary, having the inspiration that how did that work. Oh I thought
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about oh my friend, Oh, I read a newspaper. What was the
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inspiration? And then how you pested that into a thirty forty five our film?
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You know, how did you create that? And there's so much value
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in this, but we don't look at that. See the problem is artists
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are not looking and the creation process. They not milking all the values that
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are there. Like we are talking right now, we're very focused on and
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on. We are very in the moment. That's why podcasting is so fulfilling,
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because we are dancing. You know, I app to you, you
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adapt to me, and by that we grow. Yeah, and we well
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that go ahead. One of the that's one of the beautiful things about humanity
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and our ability to form relationships is like, just by talking to you today,
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you have changed my life and your mind, right, because that wouldn't
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even looking at the creation process. I wouldn't choose the words without you if
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you were in there just listening. And you know, I say so often
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somebody, you know, I go to a lot of interviews with us four
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people. There's panels and one person doesn't say anything. Well say it's only
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one word, and he changes the whole conversation just being there. Because next
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time I go into the same group and that person is not there, it's
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a completely different creation. But if you and I would say, Michael,
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let's just repeat this episode that was so great, but I want to do
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create it with a better sound or something light lighting or something we couldn't we
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don't appreciate it the oneness of the moment. We appreciating, we appreciating what
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the success is. It's a system relevant success. If you get awards,
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if you get a lot of views, but they don't mean anything in the
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human centricity. They mean something in the system because you have to feed yourself
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and all that stuff. You know. Yeah, but that's you have.
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You have a point about about the process because from from our conversation here we
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have two computers, two cameras running, and we can see each other,
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we can talk to each other, and we have an effect on each other.
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But it continues more when you actually have to put finish the process of
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the creation so that the public can see what it what will actually eventually hear
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this. That is like the process of putting adjusting the sound levels and putting
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music to to the beginning and to the end and all that kind of stuff.
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You you as the artist who's career creating the podcast, you get to
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keep reliving it until you make it public, and that has another effect on
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you, right, absolutely, yeah, And when you and I think it's
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beautiful that you make it more palatable with the music and everything and the great
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effect of podcast, other people can relate to it with their five senses.
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It's not a noise, which is the same WAI is going to be a
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noise of a newting for people. Create a show that it focused on getting
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people enrolled to watch it and be system relevant for them. There's a difference
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between a manipulated product to make There's nothing wrong with it, but there is
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different friends, a big difference between two people talking when other people And I
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think that's what the world is so longing for. Because the whole world podcasts
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shoot up and media engagement is down. Everywhere, social media is down.
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All this stuff goes down, but our engagement of in the podcast is up.
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I think we two months ago we had more views on podcasts than Netflix
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in one month in America. So this is going up because people are hungry
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for genuine connection. We all interpected through their listening to humans talk, not
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not reading from a script teleprompter, but we talk in a conversation. I
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cough, you scratch your head, you know it's it's it's very generic,
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not perfect. And that and that that triggers. I think that that authenticity,
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that genuinity triggers five senses of everybody that is listening, not just ours
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to dance to dance, but also people can relate to it with this,
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not with their brain, but with the ex senses. I said, I
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have the same I was not fitting into school. I wasn't, you know.
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And look at these people. I thought I'm a loser. And these
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people both very narrative verse and look what they do. They have rewards,
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they work with people so in that they feel the truth in that versus I
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say, you can do it everybody, which is a big lie, because
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what you can do, I can't do, and what I can do you
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can do. Because you're one of one, you can't you can't beat me.
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I can't be or unless you have seen two people that are the same,
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that are different people, I've never seen that. But the system lie
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is and the coaching lie a lot. In the coaching they do. I
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did it at so many looks you can do it too, and they tell
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you false whole because that's a you know, it's the same lie as every
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day it should be sunny, and if it's not, we sell you a
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Ferrari appeal to it doesn't work. It doesn't work. It's it has to
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be genuine human centric existence and then use the systems you know, to make
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money, do to to to to to help you to be the best human
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that you and I can be. Yeah, it's essentially said, we're on
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the topic of money, that money is just a tool. Yeah, it's
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a symptom. Also, it's a it's not a cause. It's never a
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cause, because if it was a cost, then there were would be a
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formula of success. And there is no formula of success. It's sold systemically.
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There is a formul of success. But I've talked I think to at
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least the hundred very very successful people, and everybody tells me another story.
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Just look at this. How many success books do you have? Ye?
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Are all the biographies not formulas, not systemic you know, how to do
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bookkeeping? If that was the case, then we wouldn't have a money problem
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in this world, you know. Yeah, do you if you remember the
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movie The Secret. Yeah, And I got to speak to some of the
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people behind the scenes of The Secret and they all said the same thing as
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like, Okay, there comes a point where it doesn't matter if I make
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any more money. It's like what becomes what starts to matter to them more
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is not the money. It's the impact. I think it's the fulfillment.
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And when you are fulfilled and automatically you have impact the thing and you create.
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Fulfillment is your emotional feedback loop that you are aligned with your puzzle piece
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in humanity. So when you're filled, so you and I are fulfilled right
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now. So it's a part of our puzzle. This is on our path.
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This is the journey. So we are on the path of the journey.
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We are not off the path. We are on because or the direction
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fits, because life is a process of being fulfilled and the feedback loop of
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love or fulfillment. So it goes like the feedback for fulfillment. Oh,
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hey, you're on the right past, then you're happy, so you are
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longer on the past and then you feel love. That is the feedback loop.
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Then you fit, you fit other human you know, to other human
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puzzle pieces. And when you feel that, but it's not the other person.
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You feel that the other person makes You're not feeling love. The other
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person is just a resonate, a resonance that dance with and that makes you
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caught up the feeling of love in you. And that's why you have some
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people that are not that far. You know, they're not aware of this.
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They're not They can't believe that if somebody is in love with them,
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you know. But so that one person is in love the other isn't because
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the other isn't aware that it's not the other person, but that they bring
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each other into center, into the moment. Yeah. Two, The question
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is how do we keep recreating moments of fulfillment from within ourselves being aware because
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if you don't know that a hot stove is burning your hand. You can
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read systemically because language is a system too. Fifteen books. I mean,
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there's libraries of what's love is and once you if you haven't it, experience
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the motion of love in your life or being in love or being having a
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crush on somebody, these books are worthless. The books are the knowledge is
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worthless. And that's why I say, when we systemically try the secret,
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for example, systemically explain the human condition. It's always distorted in a way.
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A lot of people say, for example, from secret that the secret
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is missing. Actually it's everything the environment, but the real estate is missing.
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That you have to end with the frequency. But you don't even understand
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that. I mean, I couldn't understand that. But that means learning to
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a frequency. That means a total different perspective to look look at life,
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to see frequencies, you know, And I think the only ways that it's
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listening to talks like this. There's no homework, there's five steps or a
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book you need to read. It's just listening because it has a wider spectrum
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than reading. Reading is you go into a system and then you read systemically
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and take that systemic information and translate it in experience. And when five people
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read the same book, they all have a different experience. So it's it's
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it's the human The most valuable asset for humans is to interact with other humans.
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Even if you fight, even if you love them, if it's just
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your you're oblivious. But interaction is the biggest growth, The biggest investment you
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can do is spending your time with humans. That is the absolute rewarding,
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uh for you for your journey. Yeah, because I couldn't. I wouldn't
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survive if there wasn't a woman and there was a excuse me, there was
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humans and and and art, because in art gives you the any creation,
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and art gives you the blueprint of as humanly. The blueprint is baked into
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art art creation of how we can interact and puzzle ourselves together. It's it's
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it's it's creating stories that people whatever. A narrative systemically a narrative, but
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it is really more a story where other people can relate to. Yeah,
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in the process of it, it becomes it evolves so much like the curiosity
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of it, because you said, you sit there, you listen, and
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and then as you in the creation of the of the storytell or retelling of
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of of the experience becomes an important process, right, Yeah, because in
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that retelling in you know, telling, that managing and telling. They say
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a lot of spiritual things people, but that's also systemic. No, there
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is something in it in the function of telling stories. Look, what is
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the archetypal What is the archetypal interaction with other hands? You live in your
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cave alone or with your family, you go to the campfire, just a
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restaurant, right, Today's the restaurant and then you share food and stories.
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That is so ingrained in us. And I'm you know, I work a
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lut in hospitality business and I also consult there, and I think this is
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what we told have lost and we think we want to make an experience.
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The experience is the ritual sitting together, sharing a sharing to relate to each
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other. It's so pluable and the system of it is the most valuable of
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a restaurant To create the atmosphere for people, not to impress them, not
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to give them fiftyssues, but to allow them to have an environment that is
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conducive for interaction and sharing foods and allowing engagement, sharing foods and sharing story
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and relate to each other and seeing what out of that story develops. Oh,
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I can relate to that. We add to it like what we're doing
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right now. This is exactly what we're doing right now. Yeah, you're
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right. Did the idea of the restaurant, or say the Thanksgiving feast or
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the Christmas feast is like all gathered around the campfire enjoying food and the company
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of those that you're sharing it with yep. Yeah, and we can all
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relate because we're not relating because there could be one in that group that is
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a MD and another is an accountant and the other is an artist. We
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can relate to each other through our six senses. I see seek senses because
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it's the resonance. How if you resonate with something or not. Yeah,
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and we can we can grow from this because we are all built to grow.
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Even if you're putting a person in prison, he grows or she So
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it's all about constant growing. It's never it's always a process. And that's
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where the problem comes with systems because they're static and if a system is outdated,
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they create another system or use another systems to help the outdatedness and they
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take over a company and integrate, you know, but it's still the problem.
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Is the basic problem is it's outdated and its functions. And this is
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what I share that we need to update our systems to be human relevant because
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the tension of us growing our consciousness, being more aware and an outdated playground
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yeah that has stuff with that's soft, you know soft the where you fall
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the concrete and monkey bars. This is we need to update and that they
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become human relevant. Yeah, and and that's my big mission. This is
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my you know, I said, if you can separate human centric human centricity
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where human part of nature not we are not we are not the chiefs of
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nature about part of nature and that has to be priority and the system,
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and we use them to support that and be in harmony with it, then
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fifty of our problems we get writing the Then that that makes sense because the
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like you keep saying is we don't necessarily need the system, although we do
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need the system due to because we created the society. But the problem is,
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how is there a point where this system is the idea of system itself
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becomes outdated and we have to move past. We have to evolve past having
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systems. Oh, you were so far in the future. You're like,
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okay, let's think five hundred years. You're okay, we have over generation
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disconnect from our habitat, and now we don't. We're not even aware.
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That's why I'm a creativity awareness educator. I just try to make people aware.
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I'm not saying they should buy anything, they should change anything, just
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be aware. You are navigating teeter tottering between system relevance and human centricity.
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You have sexual drive, you have you feel love. You have to integrate
35:36
that in the systemic environment first, be aware of that. That's the first
35:40
step awareness. I'm not for changing systems, for abandoning system yet we are
35:47
there in the conscious obviously you have a like five five. I love that,
35:52
and you say that because I can see see I have never thought about
35:57
this, but I can see if we are aware enough as humans and live
36:01
as one human family, not as a conceptual systemic conceptual construct of we are
36:10
the world. They said. You know, if we're are one human family
36:15
where we all contribute and collaborate with each other, doesn't mean you're you're rich.
36:21
You can still play monopoly, but we are not as systemically created.
36:25
That's that's as saying. One of the big problems currently that we try systemically
36:30
to understand the human with science, with eye, with all this done and
36:37
always will be distorted because we created an environment and an artist cannot create a
36:44
boss and say, boss, let me say, how is this got?
36:49
How how did this go with Michael to that that book? Or should I
36:52
write Michael an email after this show? The boss doesn't know. It's like
36:59
it's it's like when you are creator. This is the law of creation.
37:02
You cannot submit to your creation. Otherwise there's no reason for you. There's
37:07
no reason for you to be a You can't. You can adapt. I
37:13
can make a house a hot and say I'm going to sleep in that hot.
37:16
So I'm adapting from being you know, in nature to sleeping in the
37:21
hot and it's nicer, there's there's nothing that bugs me more and whatever.
37:25
But you can't ask the hot what to do. And you can make the
37:30
hot if the hot needs everything, you can pollute everything around you and say
37:36
the hot needs to be clean. That doesn't work. You can't submit to
37:39
that. You always need to see the context where you are and what right.
37:45
And that's awareness, right, that is the awareness. Yeah, And
37:50
that's and I think that's where we are in our evolution, is that we
37:54
have to become aware of what is happening around us. And in some respects,
38:04
yeah, yeah, we got climate change, We have all these sort
38:08
of things. But the thing is is can we say that we can master
38:19
climate change and take it back one and a half degrees or do we have
38:24
to or do we enjoy the journey of the one and a half degrees as
38:30
it is right now. I think we have to enjoy it and as two
38:36
and it's not one solution, it's too Number one, we need to be
38:39
aware that we can easily destroy our habit Look at Beijing, they have to
38:47
turn everything off after Olympic Games. So we are capable of destroying our habitat
38:57
and our future's habitat. But we know from dinosaurs that a species gets eliminated
39:06
and nature goes on. We know also know from Chernobyl, which is a
39:10
massive disaster atomic missuk. Look at the Google Earth pictures, it's totally grown
39:20
over. Nature just takes back. So we are we need to be in
39:24
dominion with in a in a in a circulatory organic relationship with nature because since
39:35
we are part of nature, nature gives us the essential uh basis to survive.
39:43
So it doesn't it so we are not in charge of me and were
39:46
also the shaming and self shaming of we polluted this this world. And when
39:52
the earth goes warmer, oh my god, it's us, which is a
39:58
complete arrogance because it might be us, it might be not us. Nobody
40:04
knows. I mean when you look at science, science says, which I
40:07
don't. That's not one hundred percent. Either there's a systemic absorbed from of
40:13
our environment that every circle earth sis one hundred year circles where it gets cold
40:19
and it gets hot and whatever it is. We need to protect one thing,
40:25
one thing, only our habitat. So if something that doesn't affect humans
40:31
gets destroyed in us is not our problem. Our problem is can we breathe?
40:38
Can we have clear water? Do we have enough green space to reset?
40:44
Our system? Disturbed and all of that consciousness, you need to say
40:51
what can we do now? Not because nobody humans cannot relate to safety Earth,
40:58
We can't. Minutes can relate. Oh there's Michael in Canada and he
41:02
his little puppy is thin. You know what like that was with that with
41:07
that captain ship captain Uh, he left, you know the ship went down
41:12
there. He left his dog and they ask him, why is your dog?
41:15
You know why? Your su said, I said, my dog is
41:17
there. It looked with the with the glasses, you know, the helicopter
41:22
looked, oh it's right there, and instantly all humans helped to save that
41:27
animal. You know, there was a million and a half dollars to save
41:31
that animal. Uh. And on a sinking sinking ship I mean, where's
41:37
the logic. There is no logic. It is who we are and it's
41:42
not the logic. It's not the systemic. Okay, we can't do that.
41:45
It's people banding together as one family and say and hate this, you
41:51
know, yeah, hate heye, they hate the issue. And that's how
41:55
we should look at nature. We can't relate to save the save all this
42:02
race, if all these uh things, we can't relate to it. That's
42:08
why I always say equality exists by nature. Don't try to stimize a healthy
42:15
every race on this planet. Woman, man, sexuality is enough because they
42:23
exist. It's it's it's valuable because it's the value of that living being,
42:30
that human is proven by its existence. It wouldn't be existing if that would
42:38
be the devil, or if that person would be the thing, you know,
42:42
the ela musque. It doesn't matter what you are, you are valuable.
42:47
And it's for us to figure out, with the help of systems,
42:52
what is the value of the two Michaels, right, you know what is
42:57
it? What help us find because we know there's a reason because we exist,
43:02
so were is the best way to faith? And you take that systemically
43:07
because systemically the value systemic is distorted. It is not it's a human.
43:13
It's a habitat that doesn't really reflect your value. Because you can be the
43:17
richest person and you could be horrible to humans. You can be the poorest
43:22
person, be the best for human for humanity. And that's and I always
43:28
say, you know, look at the banker on Fifth Avenue and all the
43:32
people that he has more influence than you and me because he's reminding people systemically,
43:39
you can lose everything tomorrow and end up like me. So the human
43:43
centric value of a banker on Fifth Avenue is more than the none on the
43:50
system system relevant. Oh, this guy's has no system value, but human
43:55
value is bigger than a lot of us. Yeah, so his human value
44:01
becomes more intrinsic than than intrinsic. That that is, Yeah, it's it's
44:07
it's probably more imtant than his systemic value. Otherwise he could be systemic.
44:15
It was if systems and humans would be imbalanced, if humans would use systems
44:22
to support humanity, there would never be a beggar because we would. We
44:31
would systems would exact your exystems. We don't need to us. It's like
44:38
if there's an earthquake, we don't need to discuss that that is it is.
44:42
But if it rains, it rains, right, well, that person
44:45
exists and because of his existence, he's value. That's not just nature.
44:51
You have to surrender to that. That's it because you and I don't know
44:55
what the vegas A purpose is is or purpose purposes is here inconsequential. It's
45:05
only consequential in systems. And I can demonstrate the importance of separating those two
45:14
and that if we do nothing, Michael, then giving the people the listeners
45:19
and awareness of how much value it is if you just separate system relevant versus
45:24
human centric, and the thing of human centric has to be number one priority
45:30
because without humans, there's no systems. There's no So if humans are not
45:35
in then systems are irrelevant. If we kill all the humans tomorrow, systems
45:42
are irrelevant if we kill if you turn off all the systems, humans find
45:45
a way. There might be people dying obviously and stuff, but we find
45:52
our way right overall, we would find our way. Yeah, oh,
45:55
we find our way. We created that, So why wouldn't we create another
45:59
system? Well? That would that would be the the the the nature of
46:04
things right there is that because even going back to to to the dinosaurs.
46:12
We don't see the big dinosaurs anymore, but we find we found evidence in
46:17
in things that are alive today. This says that the dinosaurs were there.
46:23
Yeah, and it's like birds of their dinosaurs, you know, pelicans even
46:30
close, very close, you know, so, but they didn't adapt.
46:36
And when you don't have to be in harmony with nature, you die.
46:39
Yeah, if you keep keep polluting our earth and say I'm right because the
46:45
Western world, I mean, if the Eastern world someone says we are right,
46:49
we can keep polluting the world because the Western had their time. That
46:52
is a systemic thought that is excluding that we are one family and we can
46:59
all work together, you know, to to to harmonically, harmoniously resolve that
47:07
issue, not to just you know, go ahead. Yeah, well,
47:10
we look at the at the history of human beings itself. Whenever there is
47:17
a crisis that we have found ways to work together. Absolutely covid COVID,
47:24
we worked all together, nine to eleven. We worked all together. But
47:30
it shouldn't be a crisis that that that stars that that puts us totally in
47:36
the Sababbal modes, because working together comes out of that. Now we are
47:39
pushed in the corner. It's nine eleven now, COVID. We have to
47:44
learn to be off from a tall story to lift potential that we actually don't
47:52
slide into crisis, because crisis are resets of systems. System a static and
48:00
the reset of a war, the reset of a financial crisis, the you
48:05
know, the the pandemic. They are symptoms of systems collapsing. They're not
48:12
They're not all. It just happened like in nature. Now it doesn't happen
48:16
when when when a virus cannot find life on its host, he changes hosts.
48:23
Yeah, very easy. So if systemically put you screw with nature and
48:29
put nature into you know, into a controlled environment, then the virus says,
48:37
I can't live on this host. Any need to jump, I need
48:39
to mutate to humans. I'm not saying that the craft. I'm not saying
48:45
I'm not or against the shot. I'm just saying we are looking the wrong
48:51
perspective of our Through our existence, you will never find any any loose.
49:00
I'm so good in solutions finding because they are participates, but pads. But
49:07
uh, and I like the biggest problems problems because I know and one big
49:15
tool is one big tool is separate them in human centric and in system relevant
49:22
uh uh you know environments. Then you can deal with it on a more
49:30
wise level, not on a more system bized level. You know, money
49:36
is relevant level because we need to not lose that connection of human centricity.
49:43
We we can't and we have to bit priority and not saying okay, the
49:49
system decided what should do it and what humans are the what is defined as
49:53
a human? I mean we will be lived in a in a thing where
49:59
uh people of color were were I treated like an animal? Yeah, we're
50:09
fifteen people to eradicate six million etiquid, six million Jews? Where is the
50:20
logic in it? Where is the logic? Were is the human centric justification
50:27
of this? Yeah? You brought up another crisis where this this system had
50:35
a collapse in a reset, right, reset and used used killing six million
50:40
people as the reset. Yes, so so a threatened and reset because if
50:51
the six million But what do you think that does to humanity when six million
50:54
people randomly that friends of your because you're not looking? Is that a systemic
51:00
Jew? Or is it a Muslim? Or is it a Christian? You
51:05
look at humans as your friends, you know? And then it wasn't so
51:08
big like it is now, where it's so system categorized and stereotyped. You
51:15
have your friend and all of a sudden, that friend isn't anymore because he
51:19
is systemically an other category than you. Family. That's insane, That isn't.
51:24
That's insane, that isn't that is defined insanity. War, you know,
51:30
Holocaust, those are things that defined and we don't look at this.
51:37
I mean there's people that say that is no holocaus there was no Holocaust.
51:39
There's people that deny these things. And I'm not stare at all. I
51:43
said, use it to make us stronger, use the wars and everything to
51:49
make us strong enough to repeat them. Now we integrated them. There's a
51:53
war in Europe and very little people, you know aware even they lived their
51:59
lives next to the other. Three hundred thousand people are soldiers. I'm not
52:04
even people have died because one or two disturbed humans taken advantage of the benevolence
52:15
of human beings they inherited, because humans are not what you see on on
52:20
on media. On media, you see disturbed humans that are system because if
52:27
they say, oh, Michael and Michael had a really nice talk, very
52:30
human centric and very valuable. They would never say that, but if I
52:34
would undress myself, hit the camera and yell, we would get So the
52:40
system disturbances was valuable in media not And that's why I think this is also
52:45
why people are looking for humans talking. That's why podcasts are strong. You
52:52
can't do that systemically. Yeah, yeah, so it's true. Running out
52:59
of time now, it's like wow, I mean it seems they can do
53:01
anything, you know, Michael, And what's that You can do this anytime?
53:07
And if we can make it specific art or anything else? Is there
53:10
something? Is there a specific lesson you you want? Uh? Are humanity
53:17
at this time to learn? Yeah? That the best way to get to
53:24
where what we talked about is the best. First of all, make the
53:29
difference in human centric and system relevant. What life are you living? Which
53:35
life are you prioritizing. It's okay to teeter tar in between systems and systems
53:40
a good thing and they're not just negative. But so be away and see
53:46
which one you give preference or which one you submit, and then feel the
53:52
stress and the disease because it's when you unplugged from the system. Centric and
54:01
pretend is systems, pretend is system is system relevant. That's it. That's
54:08
where stress and you're doing constantly thinking, you submitting to time, you know,
54:15
to system, systemic time, not to your rhythm, nor do your
54:19
buyer rhythm, not to you know, you stay up all night. It's
54:22
good to work at night. It's not good. You know that. That's
54:24
why we have night so uh and and to find that is chase fulfillment.
54:34
That's your feedback that you are on the right path. Because I can't give
54:37
you eight I can't give eight billion people are using instruction, but eight people
54:45
I can give construction. If you feel fulfilled, on the right path.
54:49
If you feel love, you're on the right path. That doesn't mean that
54:52
rab love relationship works out or not, but you are in while you feel
54:59
it, you are on the right path. And I say the best to
55:02
be get into your power is to the best you that you can be.
55:08
You can be, not for others, the best you can be. And
55:13
if you're tired, take a nap. Not I have to push myself through
55:20
to finish this. Enter you. If I was tired, I would have
55:22
or if I was not feeling well, I would have. Michael, I'm
55:25
not feeling well. Let's postpone that always has to be secondary. The system
55:30
has to be always secondary. Well, you know, when a mother is
55:34
feeling guilty because the kid is sick that she doesn't go to work, that
55:38
should never be. So basically, find the best thing that you'll be that
55:43
that's it. Just really listen to this episode. We get it. Yeah,
55:47
all right, thank you for joining us today. Michael's it's enlightening and
55:54
I hope that did others get find find their own enlightenment through. So all
56:00
right, thank you everybody for listening today. And you can find Michael just
56:07
simply google his name and he pops up all over the place. Is there
56:12
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m dot com. Let's let you find everything there, my books, my
56:24
music, my appearances, you can hire me there, all the stuff.
56:30
Awesome. All right, thank everybody, and thank you again Michael for joining
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us. Pleasure. I don't know so I was recalling that s so why
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gave me this? He says A reason to sha Cha law shows we can't
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