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Ep 02: Theatre, Performance & Playing at Life · age

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Hey Will, what was your favorite part of today's episode?
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My, I guess my least favorite part was when Tantal told my face.
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Oh yes, my favorite part was when Dylan called me out at the end of the episode.
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Oh, my favorite part was the circle of life.
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Oh, my favorite part was all of Mary's theatrics.
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Yeah, I would say, oh thank you.
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My favorite part was Dylan saying that I was her connection to theatre.
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And now I take that responsibility very seriously.
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Hi, welcome to Aide.
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My name is Dylan Garcia.
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This is Reggie, Tim and Mary Green.
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And today we're going to pull a host or a, or pull a host.
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That's what I told you.
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We're going to talk it from the trash can and we're going to talk about it.
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We're already pulled the host.
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Yeah, that's embarrassing.
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That's what this is about.
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I know.
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The theatre stage.
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Oh, this has got to be yours.
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This is the Mary episode.
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This is going to be the Mary episode 100%.
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Mary said, history and theatre.
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I have a degree and started my career thinking I was going to be a stage manager.
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And clearly that went super super well.
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Well, we're on a stage now.
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Yeah, if they can only see.
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It's sort of, it was one of the things that I think endeared me to you.
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You were like stage production, podcast, people talking.
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I'm Mary coming to our world.
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Let's take this random check and make a podcast.
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And notice it's theatre R-E on the end because it's...
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That's the only way to say it.
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Yeah, theatre.
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Theatre.
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What are first impressions?
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Oh my goodness.
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I didn't know much of theatre in my life until you came in.
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So like everything I know is from you and you like hold that image for me.
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Not to put the weight of the world on your shoulders.
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I carry it flat.
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Just to know.
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Just to know.
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We got to get you some more theatre then.
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I know.
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I feel a sense of dredge from theatre because my brothers are really good at theatre.
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But I was not.
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And I like did it as an extracurricular.
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Yes, and they were good at it.
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How are you not good at theatre?
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That's a goofball.
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It's too authentic.
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It's the mask.
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It's too authentic.
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We were talking about this yesterday.
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Yeah, what's the quote?
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You got the France Kafka.
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Yes.
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What is that quote?
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Yeah.
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I was embarrassed when I...
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Showed up at the party.
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No, I thought it was like...
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I didn't know it was a like costume party that showed up with my real face or something like that.
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And it was embarrassed.
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So I had an issue showing up as a character.
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And so theatre, although I love it.
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And I think that all the world is stage, as Shakespeare said.
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Everybody's going to look to me when they say a theatre ism.
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They're like...
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Maraud.
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We get me.
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Did I do it right?
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Yes, but it's a spot.
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You know, like, I'm going to get it this type of spot.
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I think the first thing I think of, I have a cousin in New York who is on Broadway
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named Ray on Crenshaw.
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This is just the way it goes with Reddy.
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She's such a badass.
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That's his friend.
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She was on one called Shuck, which was this whole corn farm thing that ran for a long while.
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Even McIntyre was advertising for them on tour.
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Oh, yeah, that's right.
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There's a commercial that actually...
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Yeah, Ray on was posting the...
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Yeah, yeah.
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Alex and I sometimes will just out of the blue and be like,
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Ha, I'm Reba McIntyre.
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Because it just like interrupted a program we were watching.
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And then it was for the musical Shuck.
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And we were like, what is happening to me?
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I love that.
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Anyway.
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She's on another one now and I forget what it is.
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When we were in New York for the AIGA design conference,
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remember I had talked about going to see my cousins?
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Yeah.
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That was her.
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And that was Shuck.
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That was the end.
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That was like one of the last two or three or productions of it.
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And so I was like, I need to just have the whole conference experience.
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And I didn't want to do it.
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I kind of regret it.
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But I've always thought that I would do good.
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Oh, yeah.
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Because I always do invoices and practical jokes and goofing off.
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And you've got big energy.
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Like you can fill a space.
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And that's a big, regiator.
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Yeah, that's sick.
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I mean, it's a present thing.
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Like, can you hold a room?
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I mean, I'm six to 216 times.
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Are you really?
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Yeah.
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I never knew that.
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No, but do you know anything?
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Six to two, 16.
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And you're off to a room.
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Oh, man.
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Yeah.
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Theater for me is like a past life.
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It feels like when I talk about it.
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And recently, I don't know if anybody heard that Timothy Chalamet interview,
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where he's like, I like being in my career,
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because I wouldn't want to be in like ballet or something.
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He's talking about fine arts as like a dead language pretty much.
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And I feel sometimes like theater is becoming this really weird niche thing,
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especially like musical theater is attracting a certain personality type.
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And I think we kind of like get a bad rap.
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And then there's like the theater kid, like name that goes the label,
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which if you didn't realize already, like totally me.
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But yeah, I just think it's like,
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it's like the school of life.
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It's like, remember when we were trying to devise like this podcast concept,
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and I was like, it's improv.
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Like there's like some essentials of improv in here.
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Well, totally.
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We actually talked about using some improv tactics to like stay
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in a particular section segment, segment.
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Not confused the segment.
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Yeah, so I like the idea of it's a safe place to play.
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And I'm like really enamored with this idea of like,
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it probably was never as good as I imagined it to be,
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but like troops who would tour and they become your family.
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And like you trust these people.
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That's like a community.
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I love that.
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Like you have to, if it's just going through it,
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it's like, we are going to make this happen.
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You just have to like lock eyes and be like,
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I got you no matter what.
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Gary Vee just said something recently.
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He said in 24 months or 48 months,
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24 to 48 months, maybe it's with a range.
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We're really going to close.
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It's suck it.
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Well, this is an official quote.
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I watched this might, I didn't hear about this on social media.
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I watched this with my own two eyes.
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Thank you.
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He said that people will no longer believe anything they see online.
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Anything seen on a video on YouTube or all of it's going to be AI.
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So I wonder if theater is the return of not only the community that is in the background,
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but to experience that level of human performance or that level of human.
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I think for me, I was always watching theater and I would love to watch the ones
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who could just lose themselves in it.
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And even things would go off script and you knew things were way off the mark.
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They would just keep going with the sense of confidence and risk
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that to me felt like more like life.
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Yeah, and like some people probably didn't even know they were off.
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Right.
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And there's something unscripted about it, which this is unscripted.
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But in front of people with people in on a team or a community with an audience,
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it just felt like a very magical experience.
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And I think that's coming back.
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I do.
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And I find myself, I always have love going to plays.
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My grandmother used to take me when I was a kid.
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I went to see The Oz, which was like, or The Wiz.
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Yeah, which was like, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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I saw that when I was a kid.
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I saw actually one card.
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Was it instances?
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It had, um, yeah.
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Saw that when I was a kid, um, she was really good at like showing me these experiences,
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though, not a lot of kids that were my age were getting to take part in.
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Yeah.
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And it really gave me a love.
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There's something about being in an audience.
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There's something about seeing real people on the stage or not looking at a screen.
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You can't pause it.
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You're really in the moment.
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Yeah.
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And however it plays out is how it plays out.
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Right.
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It's so beautiful.
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And I'd like to go, I'd like to start going by.
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I was just telling Paris.
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I picked up the, um, program for Wortham.
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And I was like, oh, my God, there's some really great stuff coming up.
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Like we should go check where that is a theater in Asheville that puts on some incredible
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performance.
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Wortham Center.
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And they are, yes, it's a grave venue.
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They have some really great productions coming up.
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And they do a lot of dance and stuff too.
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Like, you know, like, dance and perform at the theater.
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Do we go and dance?
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Yes, do we go and they're so good.
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They actually did a performance for the most recent TEDx.
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Right.
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They were there.
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They're buddy buddy with Barry Barton.
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Oh, it's a dancer background.
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Which makes sense.
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She does.
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That's right.
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We've been looking Vanessa and Gavin.
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I got it.
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And I have been talking about like, oh, is there one that I could stage manage?
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But like, trying to fit it in the margins as hard.
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I'll tell you, I walked into the Wortham when I stage managed TEDx in 2024.
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And I walked backstage to like get oriented and stuff.
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And I, this is kind of dramatic on the topic of theater.
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But like, I almost cried.
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I was like, oh, because it's like a, I won't say world class,
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but very high quality theater.
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They've got like the line sets with the weight bridge.
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You do all of the actual like craft stuff.
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Whereas I had spent so much time even in New York.
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Because I was not on Broadway.
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I was in like, little black boxes.
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And like, you go to actual community theaters.
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Also a really cool venue.
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Yeah, really is.
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But different space, right?
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Like that walk and like set rep plot.
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And I've done a lot of things,
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several things in the basement of actual community theater,
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which is a very tiny black park.
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I've never actually seen that theater.
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I think they call it, uh, I can't remember the name of it.
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It's like studio 54 or something,
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which is like, or it's, it's a riff on the, the New York version.
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Oh, that's interesting.
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I'm gonna, that's completely made up, I don't know.
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Well, do you know like when, when you were,
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I don't, when I was young, someone's told me
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that football player, this football player practice ballet.
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Right.
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And it was a landspawn.
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Right.
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And it was so shocking to me.
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I was like, wow, we do that.
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Like ballet doesn't make sense.
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And I learned.
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And I learned.
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So I'm wondering now if the new one is what if a practice for life
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is to practice theater?
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I see that.
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I could see that.
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You know, like, the series is an element of acting.
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It's all performative.
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Right, and I know that we want to, well, some want to.
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I've been wrestling with this too.
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Like, some want to perform to protect their personal life.
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So they, they act the part and they do the thing
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and they go to work and they live and then they come home
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and they take off the costume and they're with their people.
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I live a different way.
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I want to live in the world like I'm with my people.
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But either way, there's something about the practice of theater,
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the practice of saying lines,
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exuding confidence or emotion.
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Yeah.
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But I think it would be really beneficial to life.
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I agree.
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I think, yeah, there's like this like double,
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there's a double mass scenario or whatever quote they always say
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with like, when I'm in the different lives,
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that when in the different mass,
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theater because the only thing I know about theater is sort of married.
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But you get to play these people and you get to like,
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in your home, they're like the greatest actors
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or like the greatest theater people can really hone into the character
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and make you feel like they are the character.
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So you didn't go, you didn't see any theater when you were young?
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Yes, I'll shrug the musical.
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I mean, she's fun.
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No, that would be a cool one.
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Oh, fun.
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No.
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Is there a theater in Franklin?
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No.
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There's no theater in Franklin.
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There would be a little small, at least.
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There's probably like student production.
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We had like our Hercules live play with like R and like,
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I was doing, I think I had a track meet or something
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and I really hate to miss it because all my friends were in it,
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and it was always like, you could do one or the other.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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So we really like swim both.
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Um, but we went to go see Shrek the Musical.
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And that was...
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That was so cool.
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That way.
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Don't let anyone trash your experience.
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That was, that was amazing.
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I mean, love to trash your experience with Shrek.
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That's what I'm meant.
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Don't let her do it.
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Don't let her do it.
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Is this getting shorter?
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Shrek or the other ones.
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So there's two live ones that I remember
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and this is probably like the worst too to even say.
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We'll Shrek the Musical.
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And then when you went to Disney World,
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the Muppets, like, were the lie, can't be touched.
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Yeah.
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These legs are incredible.
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I loved the Muppets, but like, we were sitting there
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and they would like, come and you could just like see these people like being them.
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And it was so cool.
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And so like, I have no hate on theater.
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I just wish I wasn't like, a merged more.
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But that's why you're in my life.
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We're gonna live.
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That's right.
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And that's why you have a big dose of Mary every day.
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Yeah, exactly.
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Now you can shed all my Shrek experience.
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Right.
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You're right now.
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I'm not at all.
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It's just that I think Alex and I both, my partner Alex has a, get this,
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a master's degree in musical theater writing.
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Oh, wow.
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There's only one of those programs or in 2016,
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there's only one of those programs in the world.
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And only one attendee.
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And it was Alex.
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He was, if you can believe it, I think he was cycle 25,
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which is like the 25th class.
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Well, we're going through it.
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And it reminds me, there's a guy that was in his program
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that I'll bet your two degrees removed from.
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His name is Lee Summers and we need to find him.
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But you're talking about the ways.
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And it's definitely new people in those castes.
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Yeah.
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But yeah, we both, so we waxed poetic a lot about theater
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and we are pretty harsh critics, I would say,
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which is sort of pointless because we're not making anything more.
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And I feel like if you're not brave enough
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to, or creative enough to make something,
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you don't get to just come in.
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And there are other people's ideas.
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Yeah, good point.
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That's true.
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Tim's like, well, I don't know.
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I think that there's a, there's a point at which there's grace
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for people who only have one option.
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But there's also nothing to trash about taste.
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Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, even trash about having taste.
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You know, like just because you know what you like
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and you could also probably, I was seeing that.
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You want to see it a little bit?
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You're in the tree.
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You're in the tree.
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That was bad podcasting.
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I interrupted you.
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No, it's okay.
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I was just, I was just going to say that sometimes we trash
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people who have an idea of what they like.
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You know, like, I like a certain wine, right?
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I like a certain car.
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I like it.
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And like we, yeah, or color, yes.
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And so we, we like call them stuck up or,
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but I think that there's, oh, it's okay to like something
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and it's okay to like a really high-end version
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of something.
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We're a very low-grade version of something.
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Or there's a space for all of that.
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And that's, I think the reason we get,
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the reason that I've said something about Shrek is
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we're kind of tired of movies getting adapted to the state.
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Oh, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's for sure.
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Yeah, but that's happening even in movies.
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It's like the version of the version of the version.
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Right, yeah, the run out of ideas.
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So I was going to ask interesting, interesting, you brought this up.
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I was going to ask, when does theater become,
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what is it, TV or whatever is that is, movies?
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Because I think that Mr. Rogers was a little bit like theater.
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Oh, man.
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Even though we're being film, Mr. Rogers.
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It was like an acting, like a bit.
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It totally did feel very like stage like it was live.
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It was for the live.
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Right, so it come in.
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It felt very theater divides where that,
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that feeling of warmth from theater.
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Well, and I get a similar, I will say there's two other things.
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I'll put in the rotation here.
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And I want to hear if you all think this is theater enough.
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One that I think is very obviously theater is they,
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they would film these like the sound of music live.
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It has Jeff Goldblum and, though, whatever, I don't think it's the sound of the live.
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They did those for a while.
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And that was interesting because they did like a three-dimensional set
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and they had cameras like going around it.
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But it still, it kind of felt like TV.
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I was like, oh, I could see that.
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It's different, is it appealing?
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And then the other one that comes up is like SNL.
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Oh, SNL, very much.
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Yeah, because they're doing it live.
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Right.
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By the way, I have friends who, that was for a while,
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the dream was to go be a carpenter or like a set design person on SNL.
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Because what we don't see is because they're doing it live,
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the set changes are crazy.
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They're like ripping stuff down and rebuilding it in like three minutes.
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Like that's the kind of thing I have always dreamed when I was younger that I would want to do.
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I would want to do SNL or remember in living color.
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Like I would want to be on a show like that where I could actually just be a total goofball
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and like totally improvise and just, you know, I love that energy.
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I don't know that I'd ever want to do like serious theater, you know.
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So, you know, I'm the doctor and I'm sorry to say your son's got four months to live.
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Like comedy, usually go to serious.
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You know, like Jim Carrey went to the gym cary-dick and then he went into like eternal sunshine
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as well as mine and some other intense ones.
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That's true and I love that.
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That was really good.
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Well, you've got to involve it in some of that feeling and you can't be on the highs all the time.
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I think it's the same.
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Robin Williams did the same.
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Oh, yeah.
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Yeah, right.
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With what dreams may come.
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Right.
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It's like funny, funny, funny.
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And then really beautiful and serious.
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I miss him.
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That guy.
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I do too.
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He was, he was.
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Yeah.
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We didn't deserve him.
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Right.
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So, you know, we're like in the era, Robin Williams was in an era before everyone was tearing
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down and revealing what's really happening behind the scenes.
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So he was really the, really good at the facade and no one knew he was struggling behind
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the scenes except people that really were close to him and loved him.
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Yeah.
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But now you see shows like the hacks where they, and shows where they show the intensity that
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lives behind the scenes.
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Which is what really used to happen.
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Like we need to normalize mental health and let people see that everybody is struggling
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with normalizing.
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But normally the industry.
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Right.
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Yeah.
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But like normalize.
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Normalize that people suffer and this is, this drives me crazy.
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My son sufferages and my daughter are at the age where they're watching things and imagining
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it's just the way they're seeing it.
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Yeah.
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Like this is easy to do this.
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This is quick.
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Yeah.
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You can do this in three seconds and this is every, almost every video on YouTube is like
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how you do everything fast and easy and successful and quick.
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And I try to tell them there is so much suffering that goes into creating things.
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Yeah.
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There is an intent.
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It's really fun dad.
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I'm like everything shocked.
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I started out funny and now I'm getting to my serious era.
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They're suffering and everything.
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No, but to know you're walking in on something that cost you something.
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Yeah.
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So like when you're as easy as they make it look like.
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Right.
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When you're convinced and people do this all the time and this is what life is about.
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This is what running an agency is about.
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Do all the hard work but make it look easy.
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Yeah.
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And the other thing to that same point and the piggyback I'm like you're saying is you
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know, having a, you know, now grown woman but who was once a teenage daughter who was
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now a model but also wanting to go into that world.
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Like she wants to use modeling as her jumping off or acting.
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And so I'm actually trying to encourage her to do some local place so she can get her
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acting job done.
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So she feel about that.
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Tell me she feels about that.
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I will.
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I will.
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Okay.
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But here's the other thing.
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But the thing that that made me think about this was that unlike on social media, everybody
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puts up this facade.
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Everybody's like, oh my life is perfect.
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Everything is great.
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And she would be seeing this and seeing these women and they look so flawless and perfect
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and it would give her this like self image thing where she's like, well, look at them.
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They look so perfect.
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I'm like, I guarantee you that is not there every day.
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This is your seat.
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That's like eight hours.
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Totally.
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Totally.
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Yeah.
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And she'd be like, well, they're not where to make up.
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Like they are a hundred percent.
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They didn't make it.
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Yeah.
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And so yeah, it's just the, you know, our whole world is built on these like fake facades
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and I'd love to see the whole wall come down.
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But would it be entertaining?
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Yes.
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The facade.
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It would definitely be entertaining.
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Right.
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Like, what?
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So would it be fun to watch them and suffer?
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Not suffer so much is to see the real them, but you know what?
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Yeah.
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The pit is suffering.
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Everything.
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When I see like a post of somebody who's going through real human experience and they're
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sharing it, you know, and they're someone who's like always like glitz and glam, we're
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like, you know, guys, I just had a really shit day and this thing happened to me and this
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is going on, I feel way more endeared to them because I'm like, they're showing that
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they're real.
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Like that to me is admirable and it's what we need more of and that totally lights me
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up.
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So yeah, I would totally be entertained.
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What if showing your real trends?
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Yeah.
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What if people are eating or are eating and what if they're actually real?
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Like they're real.
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Let's start that, showing your real.
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And we just cry on saying he's going to buy a birthday gift.
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He's going to buy a birthday gift.
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No, but that was so good.
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Showing your real.
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Yeah, he's just not good and just naturally good.
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I keep going.
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I do.
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No, I'm saying what if people start acting like they're real?
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They already are.
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They already are.
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They already are.
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So what you're seeing may not even be real.
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Yeah.
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Oh no, these are, these ones have been, this is one of my favorite things that I've
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seen.
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It's he a product that I've seen.
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I've got a really good bullshit meter.
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Through YouTube?
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No.
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Through life.
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I've seen it before.
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I've seen it before.
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Yes.
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These are people watching like Facebook or something.
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I think you're watching a YouTube video.
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No, no, the Instagram, but these people are not actual actors, like they are to some
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degree.
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I would say everyone on social media is an actor.
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Yeah, but I can see through unless they are the best actors ever.
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We need a test.
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Yes.
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How you ready to see through this?
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Just like I can spot AI.
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I'm still probably that best AI detector on the plane.
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I see all these comments like, oh my god, I can't believe the guy like escaped that allocator.
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I'm like, oh my god.
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How do you buy this?
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This is real.
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I'm telling it because it's outrageous because AI is going to get to the nuance.
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It's not getting to the nuance.
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I saw it.
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I saw it at the other day that I was like, that's totally AI.
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If you watch it and you just look at how things move, people's responses and actions, I'm
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not saying it may not get to the point where it's like almost imperceivable, but I can
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still deter.
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So I'm back at why I'm confronting you on this because I saw a guy, right?
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So I'll story about an influencer, I'm not going to say his name, but people probably
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already know him.
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Anyway, he started.
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He started for protection.
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I don't know.
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I don't know.
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I have to protect this guy.
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Anyway, he started out just playing his violin and making shakes.
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That was his channel, like green shakes, healthy shakes, like to eat while playing a violin.
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It's kind of a rant, not while playing, but that was going to say, because that's a really
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damn teller to his name.
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Maybe he had guidance on how to build an intersectional branch.
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But no one was watching them, obviously, because that's, you know, that does boring,
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yeah.
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Yeah.
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Probably boring.
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So the guy does a mukbang.
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Oh, I love that.
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Oh, what's up?
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All right.
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He's a good prominenter of age.
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You don't want a mukbang.
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I call my wife.
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She's a mukbang.
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It freaks me out.
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It sounds weird.
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Mukbang, it comes from Korea.
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I think so.
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It sounds like an where they eat a ton of food while they're chatting with the camera.
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They just eat literally like 20,000 calories if, oh, I see people doing it.
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You're just watching.
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And 50,000 people watched it in like three days.
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Because they wanted to see him suffer.
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Right.
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See?
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People do like suffer.
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Right.
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A little bit.
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Yeah, this is probably getting into that.
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But what it showed him was that people wanted to see him do that.
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So he became a mukbang influencer and started eating tons by, they traced his path through
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like, I think six years and he gained over 200 pounds.
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Holy.
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Eating.
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Wow.
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Eating bags of Burger King.
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Like, he wasn't even worth it.
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Was it the likes?
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Well, that's what I'm saying.
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But he, it's addictive.
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Oh.
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He finds something that someone affirms and validates in you.
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Once they've affirmed it and then you're like, oh, I need to do more of this.
24:36
But it's an algorithmic training to where it trains you like, this is what people want
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to see from me.
24:41
They don't want to see me learn the violent.
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They don't want to see me make healthy shakes.
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They want to see me stuff myself.
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And then he got so depressed.
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He started cracking up.
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I was just going to say that he's not sustainable.
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No, he started literally having these outbreaks and he was crying on, on Instagram and people
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watching even more millions of these.
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They're watching his demise.
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They're watching him cranky was acting or do you think?
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I don't know.
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I mean, he already pushed himself into mukbang to the extent.
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I don't know.
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Maybe he is.
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Like maybe he is acting.
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I don't know how to live it push myself into mukbang.
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But I'll tell you this, anyone out there who thinks they're able to be real in line, try
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and make a video, try to be real, make a video and try to be real.
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It is insanely hard to be authentic while a camera's watching or while other people watching
25:29
just like in life.
25:30
Like you walk into a virtual audience, right?
25:33
But even in life, walk anywhere, walk up to will, you've never met will, our guy running
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everything behind the scene.
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I don't think he's a good example for this.
25:43
That's true.
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But any people have an easy time being real with will.
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But the social anxiety about meeting someone, about being in front of somebody, try to
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be real in front of somebody or a camera or anything.
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It's really, really hard.
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Yeah.
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Well, that's, I think, well, I had one already, but I think this is another thing that drives
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me crazy.
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I'll give a story because it illustrates and it's really dumb.
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But I, until I was probably late high school, I thought that I was going to be an actor.
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Like that was the path that I was on.
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You could see that.
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And I received a lot of praise for it.
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It was like a thing that was very validating to me because people were telling me I was good
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at it, especially at a young age and all this stuff.
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So I got into this college and ended up not getting cast in a couple of things that I tried
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to go out for because, well, they're exactly.
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They didn't really say that you're there.
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If they'd known who I really was.
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But I think, well, one, they just had kids who had had access to different levels of training
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and whatever, which was a hard wake-up college.
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Connections.
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Connections, but more so, just like less fear about the process.
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Longer time in the industry.
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And like better teachers, not better as in better quality, but just access to more teachers
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and better programs anyway.
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So it didn't get cast in some things, ended up realizing like, I don't want my whole
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life to be auditioned after auditioned after auditioned and feeling bad about myself after
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auditioned.
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So I was like, I'll go into a technical side where it's like, how smart am I, how can I
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figure it out?
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Which is much more.
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There's a way of navigating life.
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But I recently, after moving to Asheville, Alex and I were like, we should get back into
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theater.
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Again, done that a lot.
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We met during the show.
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No.
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We went out for a stage reading and we ended up doing it together.
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It was a dramatic play based on Albert Hitchcock's, I almost said it was.
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It's Choctucks.
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Albert Hitchcock.
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Albert Hitchcock.
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Elf Fred Hitchcock.
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Elf Fred Hitchcock.
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I love the honor of being here.
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You can see the edit in the last one.
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We'll put the word you're saying.
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Oh, that was awesome.
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That's great.
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Albert Hitchcock.
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No, keep that in.
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That was hilarious.
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It was based on Hitchcock's.
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birds and it was weird things doing as a stage reading because you're like carrying a script around
28:03
anyway and my director he's actually like a really lovely fun person that I want to be better
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friends with in real life but I realized like half or two thirds away through that very short
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rehearsal process but like I really wanted yes from him I really wanted validation from him I needed
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him to tell me that I was good and that I was doing it the way that he wanted and I felt like
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other people were getting that and I wasn't oh like he was your daddy like honestly though
28:34
like it doesn't we all have that relationship with our father we want to I don't know why it's
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always the dad why are we not like it could be anybody honestly most kids are trying to like my
28:49
kids are always trying to like my wife showers them with love and I do too but for whenever
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reason they're always like trying to like see like they're do you shower them with love when they
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do well yeah and I shower the oh I shower them with love at the time no no I shower them with
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a generational curve yeah always shower my kids with love but I do think there's something about
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the father the father like one dance approval like my son and daughters when I am like disappointed
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or even if I can just tell them and give them praise all the time whether they're doing good or
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not like even like I let them know how proud I am them but the one moment I'm like even remotely
29:33
disappointed because they did something it's like their whole world crumbles down but when my wife
29:39
does it they're just like they go right back to her they're hanging out right because the
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mother's love is a different thing it's a different thing it's it's it's a maternal thing that we
29:52
just don't have and what happened with this yeah what ended up happening with the director I
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I got done with the show and I was like did you do the show you guys got cast oh yeah yeah and we
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did it was a three nights you're carrying your script around yeah yeah but I just remembered the
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whole time feeling so insecure which is hilarious to me given that like this is low budget black box
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carrying a script around it's also not that this makes it any worse of a theater experience but like
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as someone who's got a degree and like recently came out of the industry he felt the moody and it's
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a bunch of older people so I'm like I should be able to feel really confident in this room and for
30:31
some reason I didn't and I like want to walk out of some of those rehearsals literally wanting to
30:35
cry which was and I was sitting in my car and I'm like why is this so impactful to me and I think
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this is one of the things that drives me crazy is it is an industry if we're going to look at it as a
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paid thing it's a craft that like sort of begs you to become emotionally entangled with other people
30:55
oh my yeah yeah of course yeah people have the training and the sense of boundaries and the sense
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of self and personal identity beyond the mass beyond the performance that totally makes us
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to wrangle with that to not to not blur those lines yeah there's a lot of just I mean the film
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industry's riddled with it but theater as well it's like a lot of messy relationships and people like
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catering to other people's egos and there's a lot of just emotional bullshit around like the true
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work of the art so what do you what do you think in your heart would be what you would have to do
31:27
to be successful in that situation as an actor yeah like knowing that as a revelation if you
31:32
were to say if Mary could do this yeah I would succeed would it be to like become more
31:38
callous on the outside or where nothing affects you or would it be become more closer to the reality
31:43
of who you are in that situation I think it's something like a stronger point of view and I mean
31:53
I'm a big fan of developing relationship outside of the rehearsal room Alex sometimes talks about
31:58
like making deposits so that when you need to make withdrawals you've got like collateral
32:04
I think it's like a sense of identity a sense of identity but also a sense of this is my project
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I'm not a mere plan in your project director whoever else I'm an artist and this is what I'm
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bringing versus I think a lot of directors want you to feel like a human set piece that they're
32:23
do you ever feel that way here at this agency I think it depends on the director
32:37
Dylan would you ever go into the theater I think you could do you know I've heard Mary's
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experience what would you ever be drawn to well you're you have this relationship with performance
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yeah I was like listening to you and I was like oh I felt this before I did the same thing
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with my high school basketball coach he was like a dad and I was like always trying to like
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well it is a stage because for me especially when I started like becoming like kind of known when
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I showed up to meets and stuff it was like she pretty much went pro and then backed out of it and so
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it was like a performance of like how I looked day before and it was a performance of like
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quite literally it wasn't performance because if I didn't do well oh my gosh it was so bad
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but I had this
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yeah yeah yeah I just want to so yeah it's performative no yeah I had I had a really hard
33:49
relationship with performance especially with like one of my coaches and then also just like
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in my life just like home life as well and what was really bad if you didn't perform well was
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that inside of yourself or with your coaches and it was a little bit makes a both because like
34:05
college you're like paid to perform well yeah like when I yeah when I would go on the national
34:11
stage and I'd bring home in all American that meant the college got more money to do this later
34:14
down the road and I didn't I shouldn't have found that out but I did find that out and so like
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there was that kind of scenario there's also internally the validation all that kind of stuff and so
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I do relate to the theater in this kind of like performative way I'm trying to react that and
34:32
like trying to be more of like hey no I'm a human I will fail and it's like how do I fail
34:37
well in order to like get back up and like be like yeah I'm okay yeah become a professional
34:42
failure yeah yeah I'm reading this book and I'm gonna bring it in I'm I'm forced each of you
34:48
to read it we should it's like I like being forced to do so yeah yeah I know it's um it's a
34:56
brain blender it's called uh what is post branding I think it's another name that I've gotten wrong
35:02
but um the it's basically the first chapter of the book is essentially like a 20-point manifesto
35:11
about what's wrong with branding today and cool and I agree with pretty much everything
35:16
boarded wow and then the second chapter is just a series of like graphic art and reference imagery
35:24
that are related to the first chapter and so it takes you on like the history of brand all the way
35:28
back to like Greek and Roman times it takes you through just everything yeah and like physical the
35:34
branding of cattle the branding of humans the branding of the Nazi party the branding of Coca-Cola
35:41
like all of these things just visually takes you on a journey and then the third chapter which
35:46
I haven't started yet but I saw the summary is like okay what do we do now yeah but one of the things
35:52
that I felt really seen in when I read it and like if you you'll ask Alex and he'll be like yeah
35:58
she really likes that book I'll finish a chapter I'll be like yeah like these people I feel like
36:05
I've found peers you know it's like oh these are my people bring it in that's awesome this
36:10
third maybe we should try to meet the authors do a little booklet moment but they um they talk
36:16
about performance and about how creativity under the umbrella of capitalism has become it's not
36:23
about an authentic experience it's not about being human it's performative it's about output
36:29
and performance and I think it's interesting when we the word performance people always assume
36:33
when you say it it's got the connotation of like I'm intentionally putting on an act to pretend
36:38
to do something for you but I think the other side of performance is to do something well to do
36:45
something to a certain standard or to spec and that's something that we have to do in agency life
36:52
every day when we're with clients we have to perform at a certain level to
36:57
yield valid to actually make the money that we need to make to survive so here's what I would say
37:03
then yeah that is performance I agree like you get a performance review yeah see if you're doing
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well what if you're performing something you don't want to do that's the I think that's the where
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the theater aspect not that you don't want to do theater but imagine being stuck in a role
37:19
yeah like I don't play that you hated but you had to do that for the rest of your life yeah
37:24
and this happens to actors who get stuck in a and I maybe that's why these comedians go in a
37:29
serious mode yeah yeah yeah so what if you're at work and you get typecast I think we all do
37:35
I hope like I'll give you my typecast people meet me and they're like meridious to ball of energy
37:39
marry like loved to like headed energy like you're either a slut or you're like some sort of
37:45
manic pixie something but I if you're that's a deep that's a deep subject red heads in the trash yes
37:52
I think that so people with me and they're like oh Mary's got a lot of energy she loves
37:56
pushing things along she likes following up she likes dotting her eyes and crossing her
38:01
let's be a bit but I think that the issue is I don't actually love doing those things but those
38:11
are things that I have to do if I'm going to achieve the end that I want so like I have been trained
38:16
to perform in that way I can see that casting me in that role because I'm clearly able to perform
38:23
you've gotten really good at it because you've done it so much but it's actually but it's not
38:28
right it's exhausting so yeah what would it take to take yourself out of that role to not do it
38:34
yeah and then but then you don't get what you want right you started doing it to give what you want
38:38
you guys start auditioning for other things and get told no and fail professionally for a while
38:42
or you find someone else to do all that that is a bit of a thing I mean that's not an option in a
38:47
casting scenario like somebody else gets to decide can you play the main role for me I'm
38:52
going to do this other thing yeah yeah yeah I'm gonna go well I mean an understudy the nice
38:56
thing to have well I think there's a metal layer to this as I commonly say that to be to naturally
39:04
perform well that's what everyone always says you just have to be good at it or be better practice
39:09
get better but there's like a performance to doing something naturally there's not like so everyone
39:17
wants to do to be themselves to live the life they feel inside them who they are who they're
39:22
meant to be they want to be what they're born to be they feel a drawing toward it's like they're
39:26
it's not it's like they're fate but there's like this this other influence working on us in
39:34
digital media in the success metrics where we are trying to do something that other people will
39:40
want to have or to watch they're entertained by it or their their goals are satisfied by it so
39:45
we're trying to fit us into that but in a way that's natural because if you're not that natural
39:52
at your job it was going to be like yes come and do this you're not a natural right I'm just
39:56
being authentic I don't care yeah right you're being authentic no one really cares that anyone's
40:01
being authentic they just care that they can act like they're authentic and really good at something
40:05
can I I'm gonna like sprinkle fairy dust on that and say Tim here's something that as somebody who
40:11
we both have talked about this it's like the mask versus the real person
40:16
awesome what's Dylan's adding all these hand gestures and
40:19
rainbows she's she's she's embracing her theater body conversation well on the topic of
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embodiment I think the key ingredient that we have lost in a corporate sphere and that when you're
40:31
in a really good player and really good stagepiece you feel it you're like I forgot I forgot that
40:38
on the base level the way that you can do this performance without it being a taxing thing or
40:44
without it being like such a difficult thing to do is playing yeah you're playing still
40:53
into a character and they called it a play yes live into the character for the joy of feeling those
40:58
low lows like let yourself be in that dramatic place not because you're trying to torture yourself
41:03
but because there's something really alive and exciting about getting to experience that in a
41:08
safe place and so like you ought to create a safe place and then you got to play you got to do it
41:15
like you're doing it because you love it and not because somebody's forcing you or because you're
41:19
trying to be good or whatever that is do you guys feel that way here like with the agency because I
41:25
saw so many like connections with my brain when you were talking I was like I'd definitely think
41:31
about safe spaces as a thing that we don't culturally have enough of and it's hard to know when
41:37
you're in one as well like until you figure it out I would say the idea of play is lost on most
41:45
and me included and we get trained to think that plays what you're doing your kid but it doesn't
41:51
pay the bills you go get a real job stop doing I was in music and there was times when people
41:55
were like we need to give up on that that old dream we got to do a real job yeah we're going to
42:01
like let go of that and start doing something that really can make money and there so you think
42:05
that maybe you can't play because that is the thing that's not successful but what I heard recently
42:11
that's really helping me like right now come back to play is that success is all just random
42:19
hmm there is no formula that you can play out that will make you successful and there's research
42:25
that backs this and so when I start to try and make myself follow the formula and do the thing
42:31
that I think everyone wants I just tell myself like this isn't going to work it may work
42:39
and have fun in trying it but don't push yourself into this formula this is how it's done
42:46
and if you're going to be successful and this is what the algorithms are teaching us this is how
42:50
to make a successful video this is how to make it a successful podcast this is not how to make
42:55
a successful podcast but we have some very strong choice right we we actually went against the grain
43:01
in making your podcast it's kind of an experiment but there are rules that we think if you follow them
43:06
your successful but the thing is is that there are people out there who have done the formula
43:11
there are founders who have put in the 80 hours a week for years on end there are actors
43:17
who practice non-stop to be and perform and they're great that never see the light of day
43:23
there are agencies that do incredible work and are authentic and we'll bring good into the world
43:28
never you'll never hear about them yeah well unlike what what is success with the other thing right do
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we have to know them for them to be successful or if they're doing it for the love of the game
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for the love of the game they're doing it for the play but the thing about is doing it I would say
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they've succeeded but if you aren't a successful agency how do you support the work you do
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and by that you mean if you're not a profitable right if you don't make money if you don't get video
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watches if you don't yeah you can't just play in a room and someone's gonna pay all your bills
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yeah right you know I'm saying you gotta go perform some other way right and I think the
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reality of that is loss because people are just doing whatever on YouTube and acting like they
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are it and I'm saying you to I'm singling it out because there's this visual appeal to
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watching someone else do something that looks really popular and successful and you're like
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I can do that I think I have to be popular successful I'm like my kids are watching other people
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play video games which to me blows my mind right but they so they're what they're seeing in that
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is that I can play video games and other people watch me and I could be I could have a career
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doing that which is consciously mind blowing is mind blowing but these people do have careers doing
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that yeah number one video games and people watching other people play video the number one trend
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this year in on YouTube is live streaming yeah and it's not even competing it's just seeing someone
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play a video game is for whatever reason appealing and this isn't just with us this is like when we
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work with clients and branding their company they also want why does everyone want cultural
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research and market research they want to know where they should fit instead of what are we
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who are we what do we want what world do we want to create they want to know where can I fill a gap
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so that I can succeed how can I twist myself into what I think the market needs instead of
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finding what you can freely give right right right and what is the reward to just get more money
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to do that more we do kind of want some money so if you've got some
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no like this is something we're literally wrestling with because you can do good work all the time
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yeah all your days and still not see the light of day there's something about the connections
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you have the relationships you have you but you are tapping his back and you have some
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killer connections there is something about the whole thing even though it's random there's
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an energy that flows through and maybe this is a mindset maybe this is getting back to some
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elevated thing where where the performance is that you believe you are successful
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you act as if you are successful that's the performance that's the performance and to get
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natural and to believe that it's fake it till you make it right and this came up in our last
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topic our last conversation can I say like you keep throwing the word successful around like
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everybody knows what that means I think you can define it differently and I would say act like
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you're having a good time I was gonna say because everybody is measuring success no but let me
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define it to a place that everyone can agree on okay success that supports your life so if you
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if you are successful and you're happy and and I'm having a very personal experience here
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in this conversation because my most recent past has been successful in every area I wanted
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success except the money when previous to this previous these past few years my success was
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money and everything else I wanted like I wanted a community of guys I can hang out with I wanted
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I wanted this feeling of fulfillment I want to be closer to my family all those things are
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happening but then there's no money and so when you have levels of success I know success is
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to find definitely for everyone and happiness and all the stuff but what do you do when you need
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food success is putting food on your table that's what I'm going to define it as because
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everyone else can measure it differently but if you don't have food on your table you're out on
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the road trying to beg for it so now we've come to the capitalism corner of the past where it's like
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you shouldn't have in my opinion you shouldn't have to have money to have food right whoa whoa
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I mean like theoretically we could all grow our own but that's its own sort of performance
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in a way that would be a very unnatural performance for me I do have an interesting story that
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was about an exchange it involves the unit or get back ready bring it and it was about
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something coming full circle without the exchange of money which I thought was actually
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beautiful so there's a local theater company called NC stage they were the first
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pro bono project I did when I ran my solo agency yeah I did a website for them years ago
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and then you know Charlie and Angie we've stayed in touch we were friends you know we'd see each
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other we you know catch up every now and then in 2020 and Tim probably knows about this our
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basement flooded we had this was before we had the drainage solutions in place it was horrible they
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had to you know is like I paid nine thousand dollars to have a company come in and mitigate and
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then they ended up cutting our dry raw and very in degrees from five to 15 inches all the way around
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and then the quote to put everything back was like another six thousand dollars
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and then I just was lamenting about it on Facebook and I made some post in Charlie who owns NC stage
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with a Swipe Angie saw it and was like dude I got you and he actually came with another buddy who
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happens to be the husband of Adam and Roy another local I guess theater company because she is our
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local professional ballet instructor for Terpsichor her husband Travis and Charlie basically spent
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a month and a half coming to our house and putting in all of our dry roll back for us and didn't
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charge us I just bought them food every other day or so and and so there was no exchange of money
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but it was this you know it's it's it's like the it was goodness but got goodness yeah I believe
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it's a really beautiful kind of that who you know and that's that's part of what you have to say open
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yeah you're not like I feel like Reggie has sort of mastered some of these principles like
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Reggie's play whenever sorry if you don't subscribe to this no but what if you play with everybody
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but what if I do what if Reggie's personality type which this is probably true
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enjoys that so the play is natural and you don't like I love you and what if my personality type
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or Dylan's personality type or yours or Dylan I'm just saying what if your personality type isn't
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attuned to that who you know type game right I'm I'm more of a small sort of person right I'm just
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but I think that it's big goodness I mean I would say that big goodness I would love to believe in
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big goodness and I think that it does live big big things we're in uh we just made such a big goodness
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big goodness I love big good stories yeah can we call our show big goodness it's it's like I
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get this believing that something exists even though you don't see it prevalent prevalently yeah
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and like being I don't know Reggie knows so many people and as he keeps in contact and like
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has that general good will see I grew up an only child and I think I think there's two things that
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happen when people are only children's one path as they become more introverted because they're
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used to being alone I didn't like being alone so all my friends were like siblings to me I just
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gobbled them up because I absolutely love being around people and my whole life has been about
51:19
growing my my sibling ship you know like you become like a brother you guys are becoming like
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sisters or daughters like and it's just one of those things where I just really love people
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and it's like the more the merrier it makes sense because I grew up between two brothers yeah
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so I'm going to fight for survival totally yeah and I wasn't having a year younger you're
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going to have younger yeah home like playing video games when like you know what would make this
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better a buddy and I was going to make this better is not having to fight for pizza pizza I remember
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a store a little experience in my life when we bought pizza home and my brothers my older brother
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could eat faster than anything you've ever seen oh man exactly opposite yeah you're still so
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I'm still a slater my family would be up and cleaning and doing all their things I'm still like
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eating my thing yeah yeah yeah
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it is you gotta breathe but you have to chew too that's a part of that
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and digestion starts in the mouth so technically you should chew like a hundred times before you
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I'm a good food performer yeah I should be in mukbang no anyway my brother ate all the pizza and I
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had one piece oh didn't have to that experience I used to take my pizza I wouldn't count them all
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up and I divide them equally smart and then I would take my pieces and hide them basically yeah
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kind of like around my arm yeah and he didn't intention to do it he just ate with he just wasn't
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thinking hungry when thinking about it so I can see that now and I'm actually trying to change my
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perspective probably be influenced by you where and I read this book called um courage to be
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disliked the courage to be disliked so good the guy says and I say this now on my length
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really living into this I am I am okay well I would say that there is a part of acting where
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you're trying to get people to like you so that you can have this general goodness like if
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everyone likes me they'll help me when my basement floods if everyone likes me they'll refer me
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if everyone so I have lived a life of trying to be liked so now I read a book about being
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disliked and being okay with that and having the courage to do that but what the book actually says
53:34
is that you have to see the world as we are all comrades and I say this on my LinkedIn post now
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because I'm trying to train myself I like that instead of we're all in competition which is
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actually capitalism right like we're all fighting each other for the same pizza the same pizza pizza
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right we are all comrades and I see you guys as my comrades you're with me in this you're on
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this journey we all want everybody to eat right I want to share some funny just on that and it's
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totally in a side but my brother-in-law used to stake his claim with his ice cream by getting his
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big ol' giant portion and licking all of it's not enough but he's like yeah he's like it's mine so
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you weren't you weren't gonna take any of that back I just thought about that when you were talking
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like your pizza like you shouldn't just lick it yeah yeah like I don't know I don't want to lick
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my clients like mine but I'm willing to just part of this men's group and they say this men's
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group of men now they say we're the hunting party and I had this realization as we were in our
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last gathering that we weren't really in a hunting party because in a hunting party you're all
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hunting to eat together yeah but this group was more like let's get there and talk about how we're
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hunting in our own lives which is a different thing because if we came together and maybe this
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is maybe we're a hunting party because if we all eat based on what we hunt then we are hunting
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together we're trying to capture some kind of prey and eat together so what if the whole society
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was a hunting party together where we all eat together I'm just gonna get on the feminism wagon
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here for a minute and say why do we have to be hunting and why can't we see the world as foraging
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yes why are we planting well it's already here for us it's the vegetarian
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vegetarian probably just by major Mike the planet is I don't know where is this a feminist is
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are you saying wait he has a red light and I have a green light okay sorry about that
55:43
palace we were having some technical difficulties I just need to say like I have a red light on
55:49
mission well why do we need to be hunting is my question but why did you say that's a feminist
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saying because I know women that hunt well totally and I'm probably a female hunter but I'm just
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trying to say you are definitely a hunter but I'm saying it's the idea that something else has to
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die has to die and we have to chase it and it's pursuit which is totally my vibe but I'm saying like
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I can't deny that that I am just that flavor of person but I'm saying like I prefer the idea
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that like everything we need is just waiting for us like we are going to run to it that something
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doesn't have to die I think that um we have killed a few carrots in my life that's the thing is
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like where do you go line on the show where those aliens can't kill anything
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for purpose for a best yeah they can kill anything living you can't pick an apple or
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that's the thing is like where's the line and I don't know that I'm the person to judge that but
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I'm just saying like that's a huge expenditure of effort to go chase it down and have to let it
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run away and kill you should show this trap and let them enter the trap sure maybe I'm a trapper
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you're a trapper no I I I'm I'm pushing back because I have also felt this way yeah and this
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is the first time in this men's group where I've been told to kill my old ways there's a there's
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a point at which you must even killing his old ways that's different right but there's a point
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at which you can't rely on something you always did and that was hard for me because I became
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comfortable in the things I always did and to change and to evolve change is different and that
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everything the circle of life you know my king there is a circle of life and then I just there's
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so there is a thing where something dies and reenters the ground and there's a circle yeah
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to it there's a there's a process but we as humans have become so afraid of death
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and we are afraid of the future we dread the thing that is having us that's why we're stuck in this
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eternal youth obsession trying not to die because we don't want to end we don't be there's a
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there's a there's a more connected experience we can have because we're all together because we're
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all connected together what if embracing death made you better experience life oh absolutely right
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and I think it doesn't and I think there is a lot of good conversation out there about this like
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about death doulas and yeah and really talking to your family about when you die I would like this
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to happen or this is something that I've been thinking about that something we never talk about
58:31
it's too intense it's sad people don't plan for their death and then all of a sudden it happens
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right here's a what if what if we could make the passage of time in the passage of our lives
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less scary by playing at it before it actually has to happen yeah I think that's a lot of the drama
58:51
and the comedy of it all is like let me pretend like I am in this high-stake situation and then
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when an actual high-stake situation arrives you can greet it with that sense of like presents
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and play and grounded this versus being afraid all the time of whatever it is coming at you
59:07
I love play and I love I love us embracing play and I feel like honestly one of my favorite things
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about my team my 40 hearts family is coming in here and not actually feel even though we do hard work
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doesn't feel like work because we we always you know we weave a little bit of play in there
59:27
you keep me there Reggie I think that's like honestly you're the play anchor I'm the
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anchor but it's such a vital I cannot overstate this like it's not something that everybody gets
59:39
in their work life yeah I play all the time what do you talk about yeah my whole persona's play
59:45
yeah and I'm always like pulling him into my play too it worries snickering on the other
59:52
but I think that's part of the beauty of it like I think it adds a lot to my life but I also
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think it's why our clients our clients love us because they see that we are playful and approachable
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and we're not like you know serious like we're serious when we need to be I mean Tim and I were
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doing the meeting alone I think we would become too much oh yeah like damn we need Reggie here
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okay yeah we do need Reggie yeah I yeah yeah we got to play more that's our resolve
1:00:21
we got to play more yeah let's play more yeah I you know someone bought in he's like I know
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no hoping about the theater comedians turning into serious is that I would have these moments where
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I'd be myself and this happened with us ones where I'm trying to be myself and then someone's
1:00:37
like that's not you oh yeah and I'm right and I'm very because I am a certain way in front of people
1:00:43
and I and I'm also goofy and people that would hear me sing would be like you're so serious
1:00:47
intense but you're so goofy with me talk to you and I don't even know my own performance based on
1:00:52
who I'm with and what I'm doing and so I I guess I want to play in my experience with myself
1:01:00
I want to play on this in a way that isn't creepy all this
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no this is a cry for help in this all may be maybe I'm so sorry I'm so sorry I know you're
1:01:21
embracing yourself for a little more business I'm not going to catch you all business okay
1:01:27
so let me try to get in a way that's not so alarming how do I have play in my experience in my
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experience not with others right because I like to I bet I play games with my brothers and my
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children and my family but how do I have a sense of play in myself because you play video games
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by yourself never see no but I did for a while but I got one game like one game no no I got
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very into that see if you can get see if you can get an emulator for it on your phone
1:02:00
I don't enjoy I don't enjoy video games I'm very totally at this or this here we have you're
1:02:05
like I don't enjoy them no it's like I don't get the game child's play yeah I still play video
1:02:13
games I always play video games but Alex is working on me Alex is like slowly bringing me in and
1:02:18
it's it's better than that here's a thing for me sometimes this is what I've learned I've learned
1:02:25
that I'm more productive and my ideas come more free-flowing when I step aside and take a moment
1:02:33
to play which is why like video games so I'll I'll like you know what I need to play video games
1:02:39
for like five minutes and I'll come back to you and things will be snapping and that is
1:02:44
well Reggie also has a game dashboard in his office actively right now if you guess it though
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that's true we don't really don't think that but my sense of play so when you have to find
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what that play is for you my sense of enjoyment in life comes after I finish the thing
1:03:01
that you're stepping away from yeah so I you're different don't push push yeah then I will feel
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a sense of play I'm not gonna play a video game but I'll go in and like enjoy a day or a meal or
1:03:12
something I something more fun will you at least play with your food because like it's not play
1:03:17
if you're not playing I mean he's for he thinks I play all the time oh really I love to play with
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what gives him oh because you play what gives him my mom yeah why how did he get to this
1:03:32
what gave him that but my mom is also someone who's played constantly for whole life oh I can see
1:03:38
that yeah your mom's amazing I could totally see that and I and I put that on first
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but it's exhausting because I am not a person that just naturally plays I just try and live myself
1:03:50
I perform for him I'm a total pool and at the swimming pool all the kids will gather around me
1:03:54
and I'm throwing them in the pool and and I make them wild but I'm performing for them
1:03:58
I don't want to sit there do that all day yeah you're doing it but you're like oh
1:04:04
and it's not another kid and what if I don't have to figure this out what if you just have
1:04:07
this conversation with you guys gives me a different way to approach the way I think and the way
1:04:14
I feel and I'm finding your own sense of play I do think that's that's something important and
1:04:21
worth and being in pursuit of right what if I might look differently for you what if this like
1:04:27
performance that you're putting on like right now because like I see it we can see I know this
1:04:33
is you though you're just an actor I know this is you though but it's like I don't know you got
1:04:38
to like figure out how to perform in for your heart and like be in true to yourself because I see
1:04:43
all these like big pictures happening and I'm like I can see I don't know I can just see the tension
1:04:49
and I think like yes and you and I can feel it but it's not a bad thing and I don't want to tell
1:04:55
you what to do with your life because that's like not my purpose but my purpose no it ain't your
1:04:59
purpose that's part of your job description I added that to your job description did you not know
1:05:05
that but it's like I don't know if it's trying new things because you do have this like I know what
1:05:09
I like and what I don't like and I think that's really impressive because I don't have that but I
1:05:13
think like doing something new for the first time you do have that like for the first time that
1:05:18
you don't have any like oh I know I'm not gonna like this I'm gonna close that off I don't know
1:05:24
opening yourself yeah like hopefully that I mean that I guess you do you bring up a good point
1:05:29
if I never try that but I think you're right a lot of your play involves other people I think
1:05:33
how much fun we have together and we're always playful and goofing off together even when we're
1:05:37
across even when we work out we're like you know we're cracking jokes and we're laughing we're
1:05:43
cracking each other up but I don't I don't ever see you in your office like you're in your office
1:05:49
once you close that door you were just like the machine and we probably are getting to the end
1:05:56
of the battery life of this no it's already gone I am oh is it that nope he said we're good thank you
1:06:05
good good okay we should bring this to a close I'll say I'm here a sense of
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I'm not trying to take your hard to balance the need for achievement or the desire for achievement
1:06:25
with the desire for play but I think that's the magic sauce that's the magic intersection we can
1:06:31
keep both at the same time and stay present that your whole life is gonna be awesome yeah I love
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that speaking of magic sauce I'm getting hungry so what do you say thank you Dylan for saying that
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because I know it's hard for you to say to someone like my boss a boss type figure and I don't
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want you to ever be intimidated by that her brand dead I appreciate you saying one of her
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brand ads giving perspective so Reggie's hungry and we're gonna close off because Tim's mic did die
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so anyways this was age thank you for joining us your time is very valuable and we very much
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appreciate you spending it on us goodbye theater world thanks guys great job guys thanks for
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