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Ghouls of Grays Harbor · PNW Haunts & Homicides

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Speaker 1: There were a large amount of sailors in the area
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Speaker 1: who were missing or found dead, and some believe Billy
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Speaker 1: was responsible for anywhere between forty and one hundred deaths. Yikes,
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Speaker 1: becoming known as the Ghoul of Gray's Harbor. I don't
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Speaker 1: like to glorify murder, but that's a pretty good nickname,
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Speaker 1: just saying, like, as monikers go, like fuck, that's a
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Speaker 1: good one, the Ghoul, because it like kind of goes
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Speaker 1: with his name and it's like the GMG. It's just
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Speaker 1: I mean, superb reporting really really though, the alliteration of it.
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Speaker 2: All the dark themes, the imagery.
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Speaker 1: Hi Caitlin, Hi Cassie, Hi, creepy people. Henny, you felt
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Speaker 1: mischievous when you did that. If anyone's watching the video,
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Speaker 1: I mean for those of you watching the video.
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Speaker 2: I feel like I'm just channeling you because this is
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Speaker 2: that T shirt that you gave me so oh when
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Speaker 2: you put that.
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Speaker 1: On, I was like, oh, it looks familiar. Well, this
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Speaker 1: is PNW Hanson Homicides, where we chat about true crime,
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Speaker 1: for the day. Ooh, so stick around if you're in
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Speaker 1: for that. We haven't said that in a while. Oh,
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Speaker 1: if you're into that, right, because we know you're sticking around. Well,
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Speaker 1: today we're going to be visiting Gray's Harbor in Washington. Ooh.
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Speaker 1: It's the gateway to the Pacific Ocean and the Olympic Peninsula,
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Speaker 1: or so it says on their website. I mean, well, yeah,
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Speaker 1: it's about one hundred and four miles southwest of Seattle,
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Speaker 1: and the main river flowing into the harbor is the Shahalis.
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Speaker 1: Close by is the Quinault Reservation and Lake Lodge, which
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Speaker 1: we've done an episode on that we have. Then I
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Speaker 1: went there and I found out it was totally haunted.
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Speaker 1: After I stayed.
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Speaker 2: That honestly, that's very on brand for me. That would
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Speaker 2: be the way that I would want that to go down.
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Speaker 1: I don't know how I didn't. I don't know how
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Speaker 1: I didn't look it up. We've talked about it on
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Speaker 1: the episode though, I actually had an experience there, So
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Speaker 1: go back and listen if you don't know what I mean. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: but on my way up there, I drove through the
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Speaker 1: largest town on Gray Harbor, Aberdeen. Ooh, and something happened
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Speaker 1: that still upsets me to this day. I may have
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Speaker 1: mentioned it before, I don't know, maybe in that episode
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Speaker 1: about Lake Quanall, but I'm going to bring it up
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Speaker 1: again because it's relevant. Okay, I missed taking a photo
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Speaker 1: of one of the coolest things I've ever seen. Their
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Speaker 1: welcome sign. Aberdeen is the hometown of Kurt Cobain. You
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Speaker 1: might have heard of him. He was in a little
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Speaker 1: Seattle grunge band called Nirvana. Yeah, and the sign reads
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Speaker 1: Welcome to Aberdeen, Come as you are. I love it.
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Speaker 1: I think it's the cutest thing ever. And I just
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Speaker 1: I'm so pissed at myself for not getting a picture
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Speaker 1: of it. But it just means I have to go back, honestly.
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Speaker 1: The song title from Nirvana's second album was added to
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Speaker 1: the welcome sign in two thousand and five in commemoration
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Speaker 1: of Kurt, who passed in ninety four.
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Speaker 2: I was gonna say two thousand and five.
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Speaker 1: I thought they added it sooner than that, But yeah,
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Speaker 1: I'm trying to say, like further back, yes, thank you, Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, but you know what you mean like sooner after, yeah,
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Speaker 2: became famous, sooner.
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Speaker 1: After his passing, Like that's a long time in between.
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Speaker 1: They did it for like the ten year anniversary of
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Speaker 1: his passing, but it was like a year after that,
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Speaker 1: so they didn't really quite hit it on the ten
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Speaker 1: year mark, but yeah, they tried anyway. While we're in
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Speaker 1: the area and on the subject of signage, is a
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Speaker 1: popular highway sign that had to be taken down due
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Speaker 1: to the amount of people constantly taking pictures with it
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Speaker 1: and causing traffic hazards.
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Speaker 2: Ooh.
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Speaker 1: The sign simply states the distances to Elma, Montesano and Aberdeen,
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Speaker 1: those being six miles, sixteen miles, and twenty six miles.
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Speaker 1: The draw is a famous photo of Nirvana's bassist christ
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Speaker 1: Nova Selch holding Kurt up to cover the one in
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Speaker 1: the two on the sign, showing only the numbers six
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Speaker 1: six six. Okay, do you want to send the picture
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Speaker 1: to you real quick? Yeah? I can totally see like
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Speaker 1: why people want to go and recreate it because it's fun.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it sounds pretty iconic. I'm not gonna lie.
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Speaker 1: I love it. It's adorable and he's like holding him
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Speaker 1: like like one leg I don't know, it just looks
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Speaker 1: like strongman down there. It really does. Yeah, he looked
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Speaker 1: it's like a big guy. Uh. In twenty eighteen, they
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Speaker 1: finally decided they had to change the twenty sixth to
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Speaker 1: a twenty seven, even though that was not the accurate
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Speaker 1: dissonance to Aberdeen. Stop it. Yeah, what I know, And
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Speaker 1: I feel like people still I think they graffeited it
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Speaker 1: and like put a six on it. Anyway, it would
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Speaker 1: just caused it didn't help the situation. They're like, no,
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Speaker 1: the same right. Yeah. Also, to just like change the
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Speaker 1: mileage and it not even be correct is very odd.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Like, can't we just move the sign, Like can't
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Speaker 2: we put it like a mile earlier?
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Speaker 1: But then they would have to like, well, you'll see
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Speaker 1: what happens. Okay, So the old sign was removed to
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Speaker 1: preserve and eventually turn into an art installation where people
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Speaker 1: can safely admire and take photos of it not being
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Speaker 1: on the side of a highway. Love that in a
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Speaker 1: new highway side was installed in a new location, accurately
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Speaker 1: showing the distances to the three towns of five, fifteen
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Speaker 1: and twenty five. Oh, they did a mile up, but
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Speaker 1: they had to change the entire sign. Yeah, well, and
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Speaker 1: people still go and like take pictures with that one too,
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Speaker 1: but not, oh, I mean, because it's not as cool.
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Speaker 1: But yeah, that's not what our episode is about today.
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Speaker 1: That was just some fun facts of things in Aberdeen, Okay,
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Speaker 1: which is right on the on Gray Harbor, Grayce Harbor,
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Speaker 1: Grace Harbor, Grey's Anatomy. Is that what Gray's Anatomy is
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Speaker 1: named after? Because it's in Seattle?
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Speaker 2: You know, I think Grey's Anatomy is named.
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Speaker 1: After the textbook what I was just making a joke,
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Speaker 1: but I didn't know that there was a textbook fun facts.
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Speaker 1: I know there are several places around the harbor that
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Speaker 1: may have some paranormal activity, one of which is the
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Speaker 1: Poulson Museum, a riverfront colonial mansion, the former home of
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Speaker 1: owners of the Poulson Logging Company. Ooh and it was
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Speaker 1: built in nineteen twenty four, so pretty old.
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Speaker 2: That's like the dream.
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Speaker 1: Loggers probably like made bank back in the day. Well,
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Speaker 1: I mean we know that, Oh yeah, it's not probably. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: you ever heard of the Warehousers. Funny you say that.
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Speaker 1: I think they said too in my readings in my research,
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Speaker 1: I didn't really write it down, but Aberdeen was like
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Speaker 1: the logging capital of the world back then or something.
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Speaker 1: I believe it. So the museum is now full of
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Speaker 1: antiques of the time and logging historical artifacts, and some
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Speaker 1: visitors think that these items have pretty spooky vibes. Okay,
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Speaker 1: others believe it is home to a lady in white apparition.
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Speaker 1: Oh my Gord, can't get away without a lady in
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Speaker 1: white ghost and a ghostly child. No, no, because they
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Speaker 1: have they have kind of the room set up like
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Speaker 1: how they used to be. So they have like a kitchen,
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Speaker 1: and they have a nursery, and so they think the
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Speaker 1: child ghost lives in the nursery.
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Speaker 2: Oh, like, you're ruining my art deco mansion with this
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Speaker 2: creepy abandoned nursery.
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Speaker 1: We'll see. What you have to do is if you
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Speaker 1: have something like that, don't fill it with real antiques
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Speaker 1: and artifacts. You have to do replicas so that the
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Speaker 1: energy isn't attached. Because I can definitely see ergic.
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Speaker 2: I like non haunted antiques.
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Speaker 1: I feel like no antiques can get away without energy.
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Speaker 1: Like all of them have something, I mean energy, but
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Speaker 1: they're not all haunted. Yeah that's true, but you never know.
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Speaker 1: I don't know. You just never know what's going to
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Speaker 1: come with a little child, ghost or whatever for sure.
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Speaker 1: So they have a gift shop and it has a
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Speaker 1: few books in stock, and one of which Caitlin has
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Speaker 1: covered Deep in the Woods about the nineteen thirty five
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Speaker 1: George Warehouser kidnapping. Of course, the funny I threw that
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Speaker 1: in and you mentioned it, like you knew. Honestly, I didn't.
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Speaker 2: It just is like it's such an obvious, like, yeah,
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Speaker 2: that's right what my head went to.
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Speaker 1: And if you guys haven't heard it, we actually talked
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Speaker 1: to the author of that book in the episode, so
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Speaker 1: I was pretty cool, so cool. I kind of forgot
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Speaker 1: about that until I started writing that and I was like, oh, yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 1: I know. He was so awesome. He was really really nice.
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Speaker 1: Those are like some of my favorite episodes still.
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Speaker 2: I know, honestly, he was such a cool person to
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Speaker 2: talk to in his personal stories from like actually meeting
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Speaker 2: George before I asked.
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Speaker 1: Him, like, whoa, it's a must listen. I'm honored. They
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Speaker 1: do have another true crime book in the gift shop
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Speaker 1: as well, the Port of Missing Men. It's about an
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Speaker 1: early nineteen hundred serial killer, Billy Gole. Hmmm have you
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Speaker 1: heard of him? M I'm not going to deep dive
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Speaker 1: it obviously. Well, hopefully it doesn't ruin anything for you.
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Speaker 1: Were you planning on covering it, because I might ruin it?
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Speaker 2: You know, I think it would be interesting to talk
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Speaker 2: about it at some point.
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Speaker 1: I haven't chosen it as a case, and I.
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Speaker 2: Feel like you got here first, you stay keeped, that's
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Speaker 2: your flag, baby.
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Speaker 1: I would definitely be interested, like you should get the
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Speaker 1: book and do it to whole deep dive on it,
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Speaker 1: because yeah, what I have is just kind of you
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Speaker 1: know what the articles say. I didn't actually get the
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Speaker 1: book and read it, because we all know I don't.
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Speaker 1: I don't do the murder so well exactly.
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Speaker 2: I feel like we we can talk about adjacent or
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Speaker 2: even the same topics, and we're approaching it from like
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Speaker 2: very different angles.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, because it's two different genres. But I would be
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Speaker 1: interested to know more because of what I have to
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Speaker 1: say about it. So we'll get into it. But before that,
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Speaker 1: I kind of freaked out because I kept reading his
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Speaker 1: last name is Gorol, not Goal, it's g oo h L,
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Speaker 1: And I was reading it like Dave Grole and I
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Speaker 1: was like, oh my god, is he related to And
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Speaker 1: I'm like talking about Nirvana.
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Speaker 2: That would be too freaking wild spoiler alert.
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Speaker 1: He's not, I mean good for Dave. I was kind
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Speaker 1: of spiraling though and going like full conspiracy and I
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Speaker 1: had to look it up because I was like, did
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Speaker 1: he just drop like add an R to his name
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Speaker 1: because he didn't want to be associated.
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Speaker 2: Right like it's Ellis Island.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, but it doesn't it doesn't appear to be the case.
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Speaker 1: I was just, you know, I don't know. Maybe we
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Speaker 1: can start a new conspiracy theory here on this podcast
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Speaker 1: that Dave Gole is related to Billy Goal.
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Speaker 2: Could it be?
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Speaker 1: I don't know, you never know, you never know. But anyway,
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Speaker 1: onto the the serial killer. Yay. Billy was a sailor
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Speaker 1: who eventually became a bartender and representative for or the
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Speaker 1: Sailors Union of the Pacific. When settling in Aberdeen, sailors
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Speaker 1: from all over would come by his office to collect
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Speaker 1: mail and deposit valuables for what they assumed would be
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Speaker 1: safe keeping. Uh oh, it is said that he was
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Speaker 1: not in fact keeping the sailors valuable safe, but instead
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Speaker 1: stealing them for himself. Well who could have seen that coming. Well,
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Speaker 1: it gets a little worse because it's also said that he,
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Speaker 1: after stealing from them, would kill and dispose of their bodies.
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Speaker 1: In Gray's Harbor, there were a large amount of sailors
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Speaker 1: in the area who were missing or found dead, and
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Speaker 1: some believe Billy was responsible for anywhere between forty and
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Speaker 1: one hundred deaths yikes, becoming known as the Ghule of
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Speaker 1: Gray's Harbor, which is like, I don't like to glorify murder,
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Speaker 1: but that's a pretty good nick.
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Speaker 2: It's a pretty good yeah, pretty good like ass go
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Speaker 2: like fuck, that's.
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Speaker 1: A good one, the ghoul because it like kind of
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Speaker 1: goes with his name and it's like the GMG, it's
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Speaker 1: just I mean, superb reporting.
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Speaker 2: Really really though, the alliteration of it all, I know,
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Speaker 2: the dark themes, the imagery.
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Speaker 1: He was arrested due to the confession of his alleged accomplice,
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Speaker 1: convicted of only two murders and sentenced to life in
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Speaker 1: Walla Walla Penitentiary. Only two though. It's like kind of
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Speaker 1: what we talked about in your case, Like you have
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Speaker 1: to have the evidence there to convict someone of a murder.
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Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, I mean I do think you should have evidence. Yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 2: called me a nitpicker.
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Speaker 1: Billy died in prison from it says pneumonia and dementia
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Speaker 1: paralytic caused by syphilis. But I'm like, can you die
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Speaker 1: of two things at the exact same time or meet
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Speaker 1: out the other.
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Speaker 2: I think I think especially back then, where just based
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Speaker 2: on the limitations of science, they probably had a hard
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Speaker 2: time sometimes determining like this, this one thing is the
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Speaker 2: precise cause. So I think a lot of times used
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Speaker 2: to see this more where it was like, well, they
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Speaker 2: had this thing that was sort of like a chronic
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Speaker 2: or you know, even if it was a cute, they
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Speaker 2: already had this like pre established disease or disorder, and
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Speaker 2: then something like pneumonia if you're already physically compromised, if
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Speaker 2: your immune system is compromised in some way, it can
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Speaker 2: kind of just be a contributing factor.
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Speaker 1: That's true. Yeah, This is where it gets interesting though,
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Speaker 1: and kind of where that book comes into play. So
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Speaker 1: historians argue that Billy was actually an advocate fighting to
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Speaker 1: protect sailor labor rights and brutal work environments that could
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Speaker 1: have probably been the cause of most of the missing
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Speaker 1: sailors and the deaths of the sailors because it was
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Speaker 1: freaking' rough. Yeah. Yeah, they believe that the outspoken Billy
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Speaker 1: could have just been a scapegoat for the sailor's deaths,
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Speaker 1: getting rid of someone who could rally the people to
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Speaker 1: organize strikes, which would cause a lot of problems and
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Speaker 1: lost profits for politicians and businessmen's businessmen in the area.
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Speaker 1: So I thought that was pretty interesting. They like people
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Speaker 1: developed this huge kind of like urban legend around him
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Speaker 1: and that he killed one hundred people, but the historians
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Speaker 1: think that's actually probably not the case.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I could see where I mean, And we see
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Speaker 2: it in true crime cases where for any number of reasons,
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Speaker 2: the number where victims becomes inflated, and whether it's the
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Speaker 2: serial killer's own ego that like they're manufacturing that, or
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Speaker 2: if it's like a myth of public opinion, if that
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Speaker 2: makes sense.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and there were a ton of sailors that went missing,
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Speaker 1: but it's not absolutely me and they're necessarily were murdered.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely, I will say I had to look this up
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Speaker 2: because for a long time, like I think I've talked
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Speaker 2: about it before, you know, we've covered you know, cases
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Speaker 2: in Alaska and other places where it's come up that
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Speaker 2: like my dad was a commercial fisherman in Alaska and
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Speaker 2: for a long time, Like most of like the entirety
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Speaker 2: of my life, I've always like heard and read that
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Speaker 2: like being a commercial fisherman, like specifically like a crab
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Speaker 2: Like if you're on a crab boat, that's supposed to
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Speaker 2: be like the deadly, Like that's why they call it deadly,
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Speaker 2: a sketch, Like it's a very dangerous job. What's interesting
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Speaker 2: to me as I was looking to see, like what
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Speaker 2: is the most dangerous job?
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Speaker 1: Because I was.
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Speaker 2: Like, you know, maybe this has shifted I feel like
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Speaker 2: in the last maybe handful of years, just given like
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Speaker 2: if there's regulatory changes or there's new like safety implements
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Speaker 2: that make it less dangerous. But it's particularly relevant here
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Speaker 2: because it says logging workers are recently ranked as having
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Speaker 2: the most dangerous job.
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Speaker 1: Damn. I mean, yeah, I could see that, yeah.
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Speaker 2: But it does say fishing and hunting workers. It's kind
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Speaker 2: of the it's like logging, fishing and hunting.
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Speaker 1: So it's like you can have all the safety precautions
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Speaker 1: you want, but you're in fucking nature, like especially though
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Speaker 1: the sea, the sea is unpredictable.
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Speaker 2: Yep. Well, and those sailors they've been known to have
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Speaker 2: a drink or too yep.
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Speaker 1: I'm sure they did.
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Speaker 2: Tale as old as time.
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Speaker 1: Speaking of a drink or too. Billy has a namesake
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Speaker 1: bar called Billy's Bar and Grill. It is not the
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Speaker 1: same building where his saloon and his office were, okay,
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Speaker 1: but they have adopted his Lucky seven house rules. Would
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Speaker 1: you like to hear them?
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Speaker 2: Oh?
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Speaker 1: Yeah? Number one always serve high quality food and beverages.
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Speaker 1: Number two, be generous with the portions. Number three give
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Speaker 1: the fastest friendliest service in town. Number four operate a
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Speaker 1: lively but orderly establishment. Honest. Number five just solid business
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Speaker 1: tips right. I know it gets better though, it gets
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Speaker 1: more interesting. I love it. Number five have a rip
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Speaker 1: roar in time every Saint Patrick's Day in New Year's Eve. Oh,
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Speaker 1: shut the fuck up, I love it. Number six is
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Speaker 1: my favorite. Okay, always sell the house liquor at half
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Speaker 1: price on every Lucky Friday. The thirteenth shut up. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: isn't that cute? That's adorable? And the number seven encouraged
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Speaker 1: the customers to share the luck by offering a toast
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Speaker 1: to good health, good cheer, prosperity for all, and a
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Speaker 1: round of drinks with the first royal flush Ooh I
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Speaker 1: like that. Yeah, so he was like a big gambler.
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Speaker 1: He was a very big superstition guy. So he lived
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Speaker 1: by these Lucky seven rules in his saloon.
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Speaker 2: And I presume he was perhaps I mayhaps irish.
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Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know. Oh, okay, okay, wait,
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Speaker 1: what's his name, Billy Gole Gohl.
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Speaker 2: German American murderer.
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Speaker 1: Oh, I didn't know that he was from Germany. I
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Speaker 1: didn't know that. I just didn't put it in my notes. Huh. Well,
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Speaker 1: I think people just like it because it's a drinking holiday,
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Speaker 1: and he's like, let's fucking do this.
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Speaker 2: I mean, if you're a tavern owner, having a deference
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Speaker 2: to drinking holidays really makes sense.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. So, I don't know, he sounds like kind of
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Speaker 1: a cool dude. I'm not really sure. We definitely need
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Speaker 1: Caitlin to do a deep dive on it, because that's
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Speaker 1: definitely not to say, like you can be a cool
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Speaker 1: dude in public and like be a fucking murderer behind
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Speaker 1: closed doors.
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Speaker 2: So, right, remember all of those people that were super
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Speaker 2: shocked that that really good looking guy killed all of
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Speaker 2: those co eds in all of the places like Colorado
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Speaker 2: and Florida and all up and down Oregon and Washington.
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Speaker 1: Never bundying me.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, good, I was like, didn't give enough cus.
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Speaker 1: Do you know, I think I immediately knew when you
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Speaker 1: said good looking, because that's like, oh my god. Thing
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Speaker 1: about it is everyone thought that, well, not everyone, you know, like.
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Speaker 2: I really And here's the thing. The part that really
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Speaker 2: makes me angry about it is that I'm like, Okay,
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Speaker 2: he's not like ugly.
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Speaker 1: Per se. Yeah, but.
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Speaker 2: I just I don't like, he's not so good looking
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Speaker 2: that I just can't Oh, I just become a damns.
21:19
Speaker 2: I just I don't listen. And maybe I have the
21:23
Speaker 2: benefit of hindsight and so much experience that some people
21:27
Speaker 2: in the past didn't. But like, I've never I've never thought,
21:31
Speaker 2: oh that Batman, he's just far too good looking to
21:35
Speaker 2: have done all of these horrific things that other people
21:40
Speaker 2: are saying, like, yeah, I just I don't know, but.
21:44
Speaker 1: I could see like he could turn on the charms.
21:47
Speaker 1: So that makes you more attractive when you can know
21:49
Speaker 1: it funny, it.
21:50
Speaker 2: Does, it does it, and it makes you more when
21:55
Speaker 2: you're charismatic and you're attractive that way. People have a
21:58
Speaker 2: hard time rapping their head around somebody like that doing things.
22:02
Speaker 1: That are bad.
22:03
Speaker 2: Yeah, they do because you relate to that person and
22:07
Speaker 2: they're likable.
22:09
Speaker 1: It's fine. Just don't trust a man. Never trust, never
22:13
Speaker 1: meet a man. Never trust a man. I realize that,
22:16
Speaker 1: you know, she's happily married, but it's fine.
22:18
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, okay, but like just just the one man, okay,
22:25
Speaker 2: although I feel like now I feel like I have
22:27
Speaker 2: to caveat that because I'm like, it's okay to be polyamorous.
22:31
Speaker 2: So yeah, hmm, okay, you know what, we're going to
22:35
Speaker 2: come back. We're going to workshop it. We're going to
22:38
Speaker 2: come back and we're going to come up with better.
22:41
Speaker 1: Guidelines. Okay. I don't know the creepy people understand the intention.
22:45
Speaker 1: I think they're creepy. They get it. So Billy's Bar
22:51
Speaker 1: and Grill is reported to be haunted a lot of
22:55
Speaker 1: people think that Billy haunts the place, even though it's
22:59
Speaker 1: not actually his place. Well, I mean he's like it
23:02
Speaker 1: is my place. Yeah, it's named after me, Like I'm
23:05
Speaker 1: gonna come hang out. Hello, you put my name on it.
23:08
Speaker 1: So reports say he stands behind the bar just mean
23:14
Speaker 1: mugging everyone and not serving anyone. But I see, I
23:18
Speaker 1: don't know, that's not the Billy. I want to believe in. Yeah,
23:21
Speaker 1: I don't love that. That's not the billy with the
23:23
Speaker 1: lucky seven house rules.
23:26
Speaker 2: No, that's not a point in his column for sure.
23:29
Speaker 1: Yeah so that I mean, if he's a murderer, that's
23:32
Speaker 1: murderer billy.
23:33
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, that's giving very much true crime vibes.
23:39
Speaker 1: But like, are people seeing that because that's what they
23:41
Speaker 1: think of him? You know? Yeah, patrons have felt cold spots,
23:47
Speaker 1: heard voices, and had their plates or glasses pushed off
23:50
Speaker 1: the table by unseen hands. Well that is so rude.
23:54
Speaker 1: And I mean they're drink glasses too, not there, not
23:57
Speaker 1: their eyeglasses. So yeah, keep you pushing people's boos off
24:00
Speaker 1: the table. That's not cool.
24:01
Speaker 2: I mean, don't touch my eyeglasses either, though they're way
24:04
Speaker 2: more expensive than the drink that I ordered, Heller, I
24:09
Speaker 2: have an astigmatism. Do you know how much extra that
24:11
Speaker 2: makes everything?
24:13
Speaker 1: Oh so much, so much. Sailors in early nineteen hundreds
24:18
Speaker 1: uniforms have sometimes been spotted visiting the bar. Are they
24:22
Speaker 1: spirits or just historical cosplayers? Depends if they vanished right
24:29
Speaker 1: before your eyes or not.
24:31
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel yeah, I'm not mad at either, because
24:34
Speaker 2: like I feel like sometimes I want to cosplay as
24:39
Speaker 2: like from a different era, you know, just for the clothes.
24:45
Speaker 1: All the time. The clothes, Yeah, not really so much
24:48
Speaker 1: for the societal issues, but you know, the clothes don't
24:57
Speaker 1: bring any of the don't bring the nest.
25:00
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, I have to tell you.
25:04
Speaker 1: So.
25:05
Speaker 2: Chris and I went to brunch yesterday and he was like, said,
25:10
Speaker 2: do you want to just go straight home after this?
25:12
Speaker 2: And I was like, well, there is this place that's
25:15
Speaker 2: really close to here that we could go to. It's
25:18
Speaker 2: called the Vault.
25:20
Speaker 1: And he was like.
25:21
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, okay, what's that And I was like, it's
25:25
Speaker 2: a vintage store and that's where I bought the dress
25:32
Speaker 2: that I had originally planned on wearing for my wedding.
25:36
Speaker 2: Oh okay, And I was like, okay, you know, I
25:41
Speaker 2: haven't been there in a while. And I thought for
25:44
Speaker 2: a time when they were doing renovations in the neighborhood
25:47
Speaker 2: that this place was like gone forever. I didn't think
25:50
Speaker 2: they were coming back. So I was like, I mean,
25:53
Speaker 2: I just kind of want to go for old Timesya's sake,
25:56
Speaker 2: because it's still in the Kadie Building in Beaverton, which
26:02
Speaker 2: back to like I want to say eighteen ninety four,
26:05
Speaker 2: and it's when I wrote my thesis in my master's
26:08
Speaker 2: program about Wow, I know so nerdy, I want to
26:14
Speaker 2: hear the history. It's it's a really cool building. At
26:17
Speaker 2: one point it was a pharmacy. It still has apartments
26:21
Speaker 2: in the upper floors. Yeah, it's such a cool old building. Okay,
26:27
Speaker 2: So we go to the vault and I now own
26:29
Speaker 2: two coats that date back to we assume the nineteen seventies, wow,
26:36
Speaker 2: and the nineteen eighties. Okay, hopefully they're all haunted. I'm
26:42
Speaker 2: so excited about them. I've been needing like a new coat,
26:47
Speaker 2: and I wanted something that was like a little bit
26:49
Speaker 2: less like Columbia utilitarian. But this is reminding me. I'm like, oh,
26:54
Speaker 2: I just love I love history and vintage thing.
26:59
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I have to show them to you.
27:04
Speaker 2: I think we're going to have to go to Europe
27:05
Speaker 2: on our honeymoon now because I have so many I
27:09
Speaker 2: have so many classy, like ugh, very fancy coats, So
27:15
Speaker 2: we have to go somewhere where I can wear a.
27:18
Speaker 1: Coat be fancy, yeah, and be fancy. Well, I was
27:24
Speaker 1: thinking if they were haunted, they'd probably be pretty cool chicks.
27:27
Speaker 2: So, oh, my god one of both of them. I
27:32
Speaker 2: look like I'm a lady like Detective Noir in London
27:37
Speaker 2: love It or Edinburgh.
27:40
Speaker 1: I can't wait. Okay, So let's talk a little bit
27:42
Speaker 1: about the building that the Bar and Billy's Bar and
27:45
Speaker 1: Grill is in, because it's been around a minute, okay,
27:49
Speaker 1: and it has its own history that may lend itself
27:52
Speaker 1: to hauntings. The Crowther Wooding building was built in nineteen
27:56
Speaker 1: oh four and it's been home to a few different
27:59
Speaker 1: business a pharmacy. I feel like, like so many old
28:04
Speaker 1: buildings were pharmacies. But that's why full that you mentioned
28:08
Speaker 1: that and you didn't even know that it was coming. No,
28:10
Speaker 1: I had no idea.
28:11
Speaker 2: I just I'm really excited about my coats, yeah, and
28:16
Speaker 2: that I.
28:16
Speaker 1: Got to visit. So it was a pharmacy, it was
28:19
Speaker 1: a drug store, it was a couple different taverns, and
28:23
Speaker 1: by the fifties it was a brothel upstairs and they
28:28
Speaker 1: were known as the Elnora Room. Ell No, it says
28:32
Speaker 1: el Nora on their website, and like all of the
28:34
Speaker 1: articles change it to Eleanora. But I their website say
28:38
Speaker 1: is el Nora. So that's what I'm gonna go with, Okay.
28:41
Speaker 1: They were known as the El Nora Rooms after the madame.
28:44
Speaker 1: The madam. I always say madame, but like madame is
28:48
Speaker 1: like a fancy person and a madam is like a
28:51
Speaker 1: woman pimp. Yeah. Yeah. It is said that a bullet
28:56
Speaker 1: hole still remains in the wall from a lady of
28:59
Speaker 1: the night who shot her pimp. So I'm like, I
29:04
Speaker 1: made this whole story in my head because I'm like, well,
29:07
Speaker 1: there wasn't a pimp, there, there was a madam. So
29:09
Speaker 1: like this other lady of the night was trying to
29:11
Speaker 1: leave her pimp and he got pissed so she didn't
29:13
Speaker 1: shoot him intrigue. Don't know if that's true, but that's
29:18
Speaker 1: just the scenario I came back with in my head. No,
29:20
Speaker 1: I like it.
29:20
Speaker 2: I like where your head went there, because yeah, I mean.
29:24
Speaker 1: He didn't like where his head went. Apparently he died
29:27
Speaker 1: on the toilet, like she shot him through the bathroom
29:29
Speaker 1: and like he died on the toilet. Oh no, but not.
29:32
Speaker 1: I don't know if he deserved it. I don't know.
29:35
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, well, I'm just saying, if you're you know,
29:40
Speaker 2: if you're essentially enslaving people in the sex trade.
29:45
Speaker 1: Yeah, not good. And people have reported seeing the ghost
29:48
Speaker 1: of sex workers of the time there roam in the halls,
29:52
Speaker 1: maybe still looking for a little extra cash, trying to
29:55
Speaker 1: make their way in this world. Girl getting so much
30:01
Speaker 1: stack that paper. We're only judging if someone's forcing you
30:06
Speaker 1: into it, and then we're judging a person, not you.
30:08
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're judging the exploitative nature of the thing, not
30:15
Speaker 2: the person who is being victimized by a system of
30:20
Speaker 2: you know, basically the design of patriarchy and misogyny.
30:24
Speaker 1: And how to shoot her way out like literally, oh gosh, Yeah,
30:31
Speaker 1: this brings us to another lady, not a lady of
30:34
Speaker 1: the night, but a lady of the sea, The Lady
30:38
Speaker 1: Washington in nineteen eighty nine, replica of the first American
30:43
Speaker 1: vessel to land in the Nasty PNW in seventeen eighty eight.
30:48
Speaker 1: So it's not the original seventy seventeen eighty eight ship.
30:52
Speaker 1: It's a replica of it, but still pretty yet.
30:55
Speaker 2: I was honestly way cooler than what I was imagining.
30:59
Speaker 2: I was like, is that like the Starbucks Mermaid? Or
31:05
Speaker 2: it does have a late like one of what do
31:07
Speaker 2: they call it? Oh, it's a figurehead? I was like,
31:09
Speaker 2: I know, it has like some sort of name.
31:12
Speaker 1: Okay, so I didn't add this, and I was about to,
31:14
Speaker 1: but it says the figurehead of Lady Washington was carved
31:18
Speaker 1: by Bob McCausland, a former cartoonist for the Seattle Post. Oh,
31:24
Speaker 1: which I thought that was kind of cool, but I didn't.
31:26
Speaker 1: You don't need all the fun facts. But since you
31:29
Speaker 1: bring it up, I mean, but yeah, so you saw
31:32
Speaker 1: a picture of her. She doesn't look like a mermaid
31:35
Speaker 1: or anything. She just looks like a woman.
31:36
Speaker 2: Oh no, she looks like a colonial woman.
31:40
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, which fits fits the times. The original
31:46
Speaker 1: ship was captained by Robert Gray, which is why it's
31:49
Speaker 1: named grays Harbor, not after Gray's anatomy. Okay, because you
31:54
Speaker 1: know this one was first anyway you got ever, Lady
31:57
Speaker 1: Washington is kind of a fan Miss Broad the replica.
32:01
Speaker 1: We're back to the replica. Okay. So she's been featured
32:06
Speaker 1: in Star Trek Generations Once upon a Time, which I
32:11
Speaker 1: was like, I loved that show, and even Pirates of
32:15
Speaker 1: the Caribbean.
32:17
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, the first thing that came up
32:20
Speaker 2: was Pirates at the Caribbean.
32:22
Speaker 1: Oh see ruined it. No, I'm just kidding, but it
32:25
Speaker 1: is that cool. I was like, didn't even think about that,
32:27
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, very cool. I love this.
32:30
Speaker 1: And another I think it was a movie revolution. I
32:33
Speaker 1: don't know what that was, so I deleted it, but
32:37
Speaker 1: it was in that if you guys know what that is. Yeah.
32:39
Speaker 1: Although the crew does not have any paranormal experiences to report,
32:43
Speaker 1: it is believed that its presence in historical seaports attracts
32:48
Speaker 1: spirits of long dead sailors invoking their love of the sea.
32:53
Speaker 2: I mean, doesn't that kind of track Yeah.
32:56
Speaker 1: I think so it like comes in now to report
32:59
Speaker 1: rawls up all the old sailor spirits get some going,
33:03
Speaker 1: the old sea dogs gets the people going. Yeah, I
33:07
Speaker 1: get some people going. I do like love that image
33:11
Speaker 1: of just like them getting all excited for like, oh look,
33:16
Speaker 1: this is from our time because they see all this
33:18
Speaker 1: other crap that they don't even know what it is,
33:20
Speaker 1: and they see this old sami ship and they.
33:22
Speaker 2: Just get stop, like they're seeing cruise ships and stuff.
33:28
Speaker 1: Is that yacht? Bullshit? Where are my sails and masks?
33:32
Speaker 1: And right, okay, we have one last thing to talk about.
33:36
Speaker 1: It's super fast and I just had to throw it
33:39
Speaker 1: in there because I just love cemeteries of course. So
33:43
Speaker 1: there's an old cemetery in the area. It's called John's
33:46
Speaker 1: River Pioneer Cemetery, and it was once only accessible by
33:51
Speaker 1: boat during high tide. What they had to go on
33:55
Speaker 1: high tide and like bury or morn or do visit
33:58
Speaker 1: whatever they were going to do, and then wait for
34:00
Speaker 1: the tide to get high tied again and then go back.
34:04
Speaker 1: Isn't that crazy? Wow? Nowadays you can get there by
34:08
Speaker 1: a two mile hike, so it's a little bit more
34:10
Speaker 1: accessible if you want to hike.
34:12
Speaker 2: Honestly, it sounds peaceful though, because who is dealing with
34:16
Speaker 2: all of those shenanigans.
34:18
Speaker 1: Right, I know? And it was only I think they
34:21
Speaker 1: said about like twenty graves are there. It's all overgrown
34:24
Speaker 1: and it's not kept up anymore. It's from the early
34:28
Speaker 1: eighteen hundred. So wow. There was a blog or an
34:33
Speaker 1: article or something with a bunch of pictures of someone
34:35
Speaker 1: who went there, and it does look very peaceful, nice
34:39
Speaker 1: little hike and views if that's what you're into, which
34:42
Speaker 1: I would be into, but we're not going to go
34:45
Speaker 1: hiking for a minute. Yeah. Yeah, the fast time I
34:50
Speaker 1: broke my ankle, it's fine. Yeah, Wow, I don't think
34:55
Speaker 1: I have a deck that would be any better than
34:58
Speaker 1: the P ANDW deck if you wouldn't mind, because I
35:02
Speaker 1: think that would be a really good duck for this one.
35:04
Speaker 1: Thank you, Thanks for Dean may work for me. I
35:08
Speaker 1: do one more?
35:09
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, I'm gonna keep that one in mind.
35:14
Speaker 1: Ooh, one pop it out? The one that tried to
35:17
Speaker 1: jump out. Ooh, it's water. Yeah.
35:23
Speaker 2: So if our reading feels not quite right, well now
35:29
Speaker 2: okay I read. So I'm making the arch.
35:35
Speaker 1: Are you gonna finger it again? And I'll tell you
35:37
Speaker 1: want to stop? Yeah? Okay, tell me when you start. Oh,
35:43
Speaker 1: I'm starting. Okay, Oh stop right? No? Is it the
35:52
Speaker 1: same card? No? Bye? Oh okay, that's so funny. What
35:58
Speaker 1: was the other one? The yeah? Okay, I'm like for
36:03
Speaker 1: people who can't see she one popped out? That was
36:05
Speaker 1: uh was it dolphins in the ocean or something? Uh,
36:10
Speaker 1: I'm not sure.
36:12
Speaker 2: I'll have to let me flip the deck so I can. Oh, okay,
36:18
Speaker 2: it's still on the bottom. It was the chariot. These
36:21
Speaker 2: look like gray whales. I still tried to flip out
36:28
Speaker 2: gray gray whales.
36:31
Speaker 1: Dude, I feel like we're meant to pull that one too,
36:33
Speaker 1: maybe Grace.
36:35
Speaker 2: Harbor just saying, but we pulled the Queen of Cups
36:41
Speaker 2: and I literally turned like perfectly to the exact page.
36:45
Speaker 2: So our keywords are creativity, fertility, strong emotion, change, and intuition.
36:56
Speaker 1: I mean, I feel like that makes sense to me
36:58
Speaker 1: for the Billy's Bar and Grill with the brothel, is it? Yeah,
37:04
Speaker 1: just because the Queen, the Madam, the I don't know,
37:07
Speaker 1: all of those things kind of fit for me. Oh
37:11
Speaker 1: you know what, I wouldn't have thought of that. I
37:14
Speaker 1: guess the ship too. Yeah, what were you thinking about?
37:19
Speaker 2: Well, as per usual, I'm kind of focused on the
37:22
Speaker 2: true crime.
37:23
Speaker 3: Oh so yeah, okay, the upright Queen represents deep emotions,
37:34
Speaker 3: compassion and caring.
37:36
Speaker 2: When she comes up, you're experiencing strong emotions about someone
37:40
Speaker 2: or something. She can also urge you to use your
37:44
Speaker 2: intuition or express your creativity.
37:48
Speaker 1: That totally reminds me of the ship because they had
37:51
Speaker 1: like a bunch of historians go into how they actually
37:54
Speaker 1: built the original ship and built it like in the
37:57
Speaker 1: same way and made sure everything was exactly right. Oh interesting, Yeah,
38:04
Speaker 1: that's pretty cool.
38:05
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, let's see if this card signifies a
38:14
Speaker 2: real person She's nurturing and generous, ruled by her heart
38:20
Speaker 2: not her head. She's changeable and sometimes unreliable. Okay, here
38:24
Speaker 2: we go, extra exerpt before the three bullets.
38:29
Speaker 1: Okay, okay.
38:31
Speaker 2: The Queen of Cups is like a body of water,
38:35
Speaker 2: ever flowing onward as she brings inspiration and feeling.
38:39
Speaker 1: To the world. Oh.
38:42
Speaker 2: She may sometimes seem as immutable as the sea itself.
38:48
Speaker 2: She is ever true to her heart.
38:50
Speaker 1: That is so cool that we got something that specifically
38:54
Speaker 1: like mentions the sea it does Okay.
38:58
Speaker 2: In a reading about money, the Queen can mean earning
39:01
Speaker 2: money from a creative activity. Often she recommends being flexible
39:06
Speaker 2: and willing to make changes. Use your intuition as well
39:10
Speaker 2: as your intellect in financial matters.
39:14
Speaker 1: Okay, that could be a Lady of the Night. Yeah,
39:17
Speaker 1: it could be. You gotta be flexible, you gotta use
39:20
Speaker 1: your intuition. You know the bad guys from the Yeah,
39:24
Speaker 1: well seriously, maybe good guys. I don't know.
39:29
Speaker 2: If the reading is about your job, this can be
39:31
Speaker 2: a creative and inspired time for you to be happy.
39:35
Speaker 2: You need to be able to use your imagination in
39:38
Speaker 2: your job. Sometimes the Queen shows an unrealistic attitude about work,
39:44
Speaker 2: or a desire to be taken care of rather than working.
39:47
Speaker 1: Ladies of the night. Yeah, I was gonna say, that's
39:52
Speaker 1: all I could think of. I don't know, honestly.
39:54
Speaker 2: Honestly, in a reading about love, the upright Queen represents
40:00
Speaker 2: a deeply romantic, sensual, and emotional relationship. You open yourself
40:07
Speaker 2: to a partner and lavish him or her with love.
40:11
Speaker 2: Sometimes the queen advises you to be more discriminating. Yeah,
40:18
Speaker 2: this is a fortunate card if you want to have children.
40:22
Speaker 1: Oh, I don't know about that. Well, there was a
40:25
Speaker 1: child ghost, so I mean, yeah, I mean there's that. Yeah,
40:30
Speaker 1: But that last part you read does remind me of
40:33
Speaker 1: what I said about, like the ship coming into old
40:36
Speaker 1: ports and attracting spirits of long dead sailors invoking their
40:40
Speaker 1: love of the sea. So it's kind of like you're
40:43
Speaker 1: in love with the sea, but this music dangerous that
40:46
Speaker 1: it might kill you. That's what it reminded me of.
40:50
Speaker 1: All right. So the other card is the chariot.
40:53
Speaker 2: It is number seven in the major Arkana keywords are controlling,
41:00
Speaker 2: opposing forces, willpower, resolving, conflict, and travel. I mean travel, Yeah,
41:09
Speaker 2: the ships, the sailors, Yeah, upright, the chariot symbolizes taking
41:17
Speaker 2: control of competing forces, whether these are inner conflicts, people,
41:23
Speaker 2: or a situation in your life, in order to reach your.
41:27
Speaker 1: Goals goal billy goal goal. Oh god, And he was
41:34
Speaker 1: apparently like fighting for all these he was a fighting
41:37
Speaker 1: the opposing forces to try to get you know, labor
41:40
Speaker 1: rights for the sailors.
41:42
Speaker 2: Kind of true, right, and then also potentially maybe possibly
41:46
Speaker 2: murdering murdering of the sailors. You're being carried towards your
41:52
Speaker 2: destination as quickly as possible. Wow, which makes me think
41:57
Speaker 2: of a current Yeah, for what it's worth, whatever the task,
42:02
Speaker 2: you can handle it. You're keeping up with the changes
42:07
Speaker 2: that are happening at your job, in a relationship, or
42:11
Speaker 2: in some type of community or worldly involvement.
42:17
Speaker 1: Wow. What just makes me wonder, like if he was
42:20
Speaker 1: really this good person, what would have happened? Like would
42:24
Speaker 1: the sailors have been even more safe if he wasn't convicted?
42:29
Speaker 3: Oh?
42:29
Speaker 1: I mean maybe we don't know. Caitlyn's got a deep
42:33
Speaker 1: dive on and figure it out for us. I don't
42:36
Speaker 1: no pressure.
42:37
Speaker 2: Right In reading about money, this card says you can't
42:41
Speaker 2: rush things. All you can do is hold on to
42:44
Speaker 2: the reins and guide the situation, using your willpower and
42:47
Speaker 2: mastery to be to bring a financial matter to a
42:51
Speaker 2: successful conclusion. If the reading is about your job, the
42:56
Speaker 2: Chariot reminds you that to succeed you need self mastery.
43:03
Speaker 2: You possess the means to triumph over your obstacles and
43:06
Speaker 2: stay the course you've set for yourself. You're holding things together,
43:12
Speaker 2: successfully uniting opposing forces to stay on track. However, you
43:18
Speaker 2: may be required to make frequent adjustments to continue going
43:24
Speaker 2: in the right direction. In a reading about love, this
43:28
Speaker 2: card recommends spending time in self development rather than chasing
43:33
Speaker 2: after love. This may not be the right time to
43:37
Speaker 2: start a romance if you're in a relationship already. You
43:42
Speaker 2: may need to take control of conflicting feelings or attitudes
43:47
Speaker 2: to bring about harmony. And I would say, honestly, if
43:53
Speaker 2: nothing else, this makes me think of.
43:57
Speaker 1: The brothel as well, Like I think, Yeah, a lot.
44:00
Speaker 2: Of times people report it being very difficult to have
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Speaker 2: romantic relationships when they are engaged in sex work.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, because men are a little possessive. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know if there's any other tie ins,
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Speaker 2: but that was kind of my initial thought.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. It made me think of kind
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Speaker 1: of that same thing where it's like love of the
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Speaker 1: sea or like Billy's possible love of trying to help people,
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Speaker 1: but like it ultimately could kill you or not turn
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Speaker 1: out well. You know. Yeah, I mean there's that doesn't
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Speaker 1: mean you shouldn't try. You should always try to help people.
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Speaker 1: It is a nice thing to do, fight for people's
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Speaker 1: rights who can't do it themselves.
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Speaker 2: Wow, you're standing mouthful there, sister.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, Yeah, Yeah, that was cool. I really
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Speaker 1: liked that they just both had the sea on them.
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Speaker 1: And I mean, is it just whales on that other card?
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Speaker 1: I can't see. I can't tell if what that big
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Speaker 1: thing is.
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Speaker 2: It looks like it. I cannot reach the little book.
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Speaker 1: Okay, I couldn't tell if it was a ship or
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Speaker 1: something like, of course it was a ship.
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Speaker 2: No, I'm pretty I'm pretty sure we've gotten this card
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Speaker 2: at some point, and I'm pretty sure these are all
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Speaker 2: gray whales.
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Speaker 1: Yeah so to me, and you're holding it up, it
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Speaker 1: looks like the bottom of a ship with like a
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Speaker 1: bunch of whales swimming under it. Is what it looks like? Yeah,
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Speaker 1: it kind of does. Yeah, creepy day We'll see you
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Speaker 1: next Thursday Day. Someday Cassie will be back in the studio,
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Speaker 1: I promised. I know.
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Speaker 2: Well we've it's been a lot. We'll tell you about
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Speaker 2: it sometime.
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Speaker 1: Oh the love of the spoon, I love it. Ee,
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Speaker 1: let's cut that out. When I did that? Remember when
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Speaker 1: I did that. Let's boss a got in. I remember
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Speaker 1: when I did that. I am losing it, okay,