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Did The College Football Playoff Committee Just Change The Stakes For Ohio State vs. Texas? · Buckeyes TomOrrow Morning

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Buckeyes tomorrow morning for Thursday, August twenty first,
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  Speaker 1: got a little bit of a sort of administrative college
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  Speaker 1: football playoff stuff. There was an announcement on Wednesday morning
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  Speaker 1: that could have a fairly significant impact on that game
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  Speaker 1: between Ohio State and Texas in just nine days. I'm
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  Speaker 1: joined by Tony Gerderman of bucke Huddle dot com. He
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  Speaker 1: saw the press release put it on our message board
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  Speaker 1: with essentially the title you can just call this the
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  Speaker 1: Kurtz Signetti rule. Tony, what have the good folks the
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  Speaker 1: college football playoff done? Now?
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  Speaker 2: What they've done and is to impose some new or
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  Speaker 2: put more weight on some analytical data points that they
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  Speaker 2: have where they they've i'll quote it. A change for
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  Speaker 2: the upcoming season include enhancements to the tools that the
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  Speaker 2: selection committee uses to assess schedule strength and how teams
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  Speaker 2: perform against their schedule. The current schedule of metrics schedule
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  Speaker 2: strength metric, has been adjusted to apply greater weight to
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  Speaker 2: games against strong opponents. An additional metric, record strength, has
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  Speaker 2: been added to the selection Committee's analysis to go beyond
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  Speaker 2: beyond a team's schedule strength to assess how a team
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  Speaker 2: performed against that schedule. This metric rewards teams defeating high
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  Speaker 2: quality opponents while minimizing the penalty for losing to such
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  Speaker 2: a team. These changes will provide minimal reward for defeating
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  Speaker 2: a lower quality opponent while imposing a greater penalty we're
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  Speaker 2: losing to such a team. And that's the gist.
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  Speaker 1: So first of all, I award you seven and a
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  Speaker 1: half out of ten for your reading of that. There
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  Speaker 1: was no by law number and were you know, letter
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  Speaker 1: combination at the start to read, So I feel like
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  Speaker 1: that probably hurt hurt your strength of record there on
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  Speaker 1: that that reading through no fault of your own, it is.
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  Speaker 1: This is one of these things where it's like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I get it, I like it. I think this may
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  Speaker 1: be percepts I incentivize as people to schedule differently. I
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  Speaker 1: would question the whether this is something that you should
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  Speaker 1: be releasing nine days from week one when it's probably
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  Speaker 1: a little too late to schedule, you know, change how
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  Speaker 1: you're scheduling stuff, Like you could have given this, you know,
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  Speaker 1: you could have announced this twelve months ago that this
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  Speaker 1: was coming for this year and maybe allowed people to
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  Speaker 1: you know, change their schedules to benefit that or to
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  Speaker 1: address that. But that's neither here nor there. It will
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  Speaker 1: in fact have quite an impact, it sounds like, on
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  Speaker 1: the Ohio State Texas game, because this is something we've
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  Speaker 1: sort of talked about in the past where the team
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  Speaker 1: that wins that game functionally is probably just about in
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  Speaker 1: the college football playoff. But now it seems like the
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  Speaker 1: team that loses that game maybe doesn't lose too much
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  Speaker 1: for scheduling it. Which this is one of these things
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  Speaker 1: that we've talked about with the SEC for years, and
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  Speaker 1: the SEC always you know, every SEC win is worth
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  Speaker 1: one and a half and every SEC loss is only
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  Speaker 1: worth half. So you know, so SEC teams end up
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  Speaker 1: with ten wins in eight games somehow, So this is
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  Speaker 1: this time. It seems like it's going to benefit Ohio
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  Speaker 1: State and Texas. That's good, and it seems like it's
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  Speaker 1: maybe going to incentivize teams to schedule more good games
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  Speaker 1: like this that you would maybe want to watch rather
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  Speaker 1: than Ohio State Akron or Texas Texas Southern.
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  Speaker 2: In theory, Tom, but this was this, these rules, these
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  Speaker 2: adjustments were made after quote, you know, months of discussions
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  Speaker 2: and talking. So who's to say there won't be more
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  Speaker 2: changes and tweaks next year and the year after that
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  Speaker 2: because they tweak it every year. They look at different
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  Speaker 2: things every year. And I think for me, when I
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  Speaker 2: saw this, the first thing I thought was this is retel.
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  Speaker 2: This is this is an adjustment because Indiana made the
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  Speaker 2: playoffs and Alabama did last year, except of course Alabama
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  Speaker 2: lost games that they shouldn't have. But in the future,
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  Speaker 2: when they only lose one of those games, then this
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  Speaker 2: would get them in. So I view this. I love
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  Speaker 2: to view it as hey, this is incentive for non
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  Speaker 2: conference scheduling. I see this as a just an adjustment
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  Speaker 2: that will make sure that a one loss Indiana team
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  Speaker 2: maybe doesn't keep a two loss SEC team out with
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  Speaker 2: some legitimate wins which Alabama had last year, that third
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  Speaker 2: loss really kept them out. And so to me, this
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  Speaker 2: is a way to allow the committee to use these
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  Speaker 2: strengths to these adjustments and weight them as they want,
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  Speaker 2: because remember, they have their different things that they can
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  Speaker 2: choose to put the most weight behind. And so for me,
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  Speaker 2: I just see this as an opportunity to put the
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  Speaker 2: team that you'd rather have in there as opposed to
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  Speaker 2: the one that you're kind of not grandfathered into, but like, well,
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  Speaker 2: they just have the one loss and it be a
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  Speaker 2: bad look. So I think this for me is it
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  Speaker 2: gives the certainly benefits the CC scheduling because we know
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  Speaker 2: there are more quality teams there, and so I think, right,
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  Speaker 2: But the thing is, and that's the other thing, are
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  Speaker 2: where are these metrics coming from? Are these ESPN metrics?
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  Speaker 2: You know all of these things, these are propriet, proprietary things.
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  Speaker 2: Where Okay, what have you adjusted and what is this
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  Speaker 2: based off of? And how much of this is based
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  Speaker 2: off of the preseason rankings and then your schedule to
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  Speaker 2: strength because of the eight conference S games times, and
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  Speaker 2: I'll stop talking. But there's a lot of ways that
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  Speaker 2: this can be tweaked in a way to benefit and
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  Speaker 2: the SEC and not to be a conspiracy theorist, but
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  Speaker 2: I see this as something that benefits the SEC.
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  Speaker 1: Well, it all depends on what you're putting in. And
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  Speaker 1: there's an old computer programming phrase garbage in, garbage out,
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  Speaker 1: And you can put in whatever metrics you want to
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  Speaker 1: and you can tailor that to whatever outcome you want
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  Speaker 1: to get. Now, a team like Ohio State ESPN probably
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  Speaker 1: wants Ohio State in the College Football Playoff as much
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  Speaker 1: as they want a bunch of their precious SEC teams
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  Speaker 1: in there. So this is probably something, especially with the
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  Speaker 1: way Ohio State schedules non conference They got upcoming series
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  Speaker 1: with Texas and Alabama and Georgia, and so this would
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  Speaker 1: sort of incentivize you to keep those on the books
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  Speaker 1: and would probably benefit Ohio State against all of those teams.
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  Speaker 1: But also I'm very leery of the more subjective it
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  Speaker 1: gets with the College Football Playoff Committee. The more I
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  Speaker 1: kind of get a little concerned about, well, are you
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  Speaker 1: going to get pushed into something or other. I'm also
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  Speaker 1: very interested in how this would have impacted last year's
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  Speaker 1: sort of set up because you know, you look at
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  Speaker 1: Ohio State. Ohio State had a road win over Penn State,
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  Speaker 1: they had a home win over Indiana, they had wins
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  Speaker 1: over two College Football playoff teams. They had a road
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  Speaker 1: one point loss against the number one team in the country,
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  Speaker 1: but they had a bad loss against Michigan, So then
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  Speaker 1: they were behind Penn State, even though Penn State's best
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  Speaker 1: win was Mumble Mumble Voice Trails Off, and they also
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  Speaker 1: had two losses, including a home loss to Ohio State.
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  Speaker 1: And if you watch those teams in the playoffs, it
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  Speaker 1: was pretty obvious which of those teams was the better team.
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  Speaker 1: But Ohio State was behind Penn State and it was basically, well,
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  Speaker 1: they had one bad loss and so therefore that was
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  Speaker 1: the deciding factor. So I would be interested to know
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  Speaker 1: whether under these guidelines now, because Ohio State had better
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  Speaker 1: wins than Penn State had, would that have given them
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  Speaker 1: more credit and with that have vaulted them over Penn State.
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  Speaker 1: And then Ohio State is playing SMU and Boise State
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  Speaker 1: in their first two games instead of having to play
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  Speaker 1: Tennessee and Oregon in their first two games. Now it
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  Speaker 1: all worked out for Ohio State. But there's plenty of
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  Speaker 1: ways it could maybe not have worked out for Ohio State,
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  Speaker 1: So it'd be interesting to see whether that changes anything
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  Speaker 1: big picture. To me, I think the most interesting piece
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  Speaker 1: of this is something that you and I have talked
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  Speaker 1: about a bunch on these different shows, and you know,
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  Speaker 1: eight eight conference games and nine conference games, and you know,
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  Speaker 1: all these conferences want to fight and they want to
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  Speaker 1: tell you, oh, you know, we're going to do whatever
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  Speaker 1: we're going to do. You can incentivize whatever change you
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  Speaker 1: want to incentivize in college football by changing the criteria
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  Speaker 1: for the College Football Playoff. You want to incentivize teams
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  Speaker 1: to schedule great non conference games, great, you just you
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  Speaker 1: just potentially did that. You want to incentivize teams to
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  Speaker 1: play more quality games, and you know, perhaps adding a
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  Speaker 1: ninth conference game for the SEC you can get You
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  Speaker 1: probably have just done that to a certain degree. If
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  Speaker 1: you want to incentivize teams to not schedule terrible non
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  Speaker 1: conference opponents where it's going to be sixty three nothing
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  Speaker 1: in the second quarter, you know this is this is
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  Speaker 1: a lot like teams in college basketball, where you can
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  Speaker 1: game the quad one wins and your RPI and all
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  Speaker 1: that stuff, and you see teams that have figured out
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  Speaker 1: how to gain the system and they schedule that way.
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  Speaker 1: If you're trying to get teams to play more interesting
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  Speaker 1: opponents out of conference in conference, maybe even get conferences
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  Speaker 1: to sort of do a little bit of a tiered scheduling,
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  Speaker 1: where hey, Maryland and Rutgers in Northwestern and you're not
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  Speaker 1: officially every year rivals, but you know, you're kind of like,
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  Speaker 1: why don't you guys go play in the corner and
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  Speaker 1: Ohio State will play Oregon in Texas and Oregon and
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  Speaker 1: Penn State and pick a team USC whatever a little
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  Speaker 1: more often. That wouldn't be a bad thing either. You know.
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  Speaker 2: I keep wondering about the incentivizing and as opposed to punishing,
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  Speaker 2: you know, wishing programs for not doing this, and is
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  Speaker 2: that would that be the more effective way to get people?
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  Speaker 2: Would that be the more effective incentivizing I guess it
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  Speaker 2: depends on what decade you were you grew up parenting,
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  Speaker 2: whether you know it's like by kindness or by by
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  Speaker 2: the paddle or whatever. But one way or another, they
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  Speaker 2: need to do something to fix these the non conference stuff.
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  Speaker 2: And you and I have talked about I think my
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  Speaker 2: I think the best way to do that is with
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  Speaker 2: the auto bid so you don't get punished for it.
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  Speaker 2: Then it's like, well, if you don't get punished from
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  Speaker 2: playing games, what's the point of playing them? Because they're
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  Speaker 2: fun to watch? Like what you know, it's it's fun
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  Speaker 2: to watch.
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  Speaker 1: One fun and enjoyment. You say, I, boy, I this
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  Speaker 1: is this is an entirely new thought. I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, I know, and I'm I'm one of the only
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  Speaker 2: people out there. I've I'm alone on a lot of islendce. Tom,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if you know that about me. But
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  Speaker 2: I if we could get back to the way non
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  Speaker 2: conference scheduling used to be, which was big verse is big,
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  Speaker 2: that would be great for everybody. And whether that's through
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  Speaker 2: this or through some other form of you know, let's
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  Speaker 2: do it, let's figure it out, let's try to incentivize it.
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  Speaker 2: But also, Tom, the other thing is everybody needs seven
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  Speaker 2: home games every year. So then it becomes more difficult
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  Speaker 2: to do that because I can't give up a home
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  Speaker 2: gate because we've rev share and all of the different
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  Speaker 2: sports and this building and that building now and the
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  Speaker 2: way that they the salaries are now, so you can
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  Speaker 2: you can do so much of that. But you can't
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  Speaker 2: do it like it was. You can't do like the
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  Speaker 2: Big ten. Probably can't do three Power five, Power four
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  Speaker 2: opponents and non conference anymore because to be able to
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  Speaker 2: get everything scheduled, I don't know that you can get
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  Speaker 2: everybody getting the seven home games they need. But you know,
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  Speaker 2: whatever you can do to incentivize better non conference scheduling,
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  Speaker 2: and let's be real, like, you don't need three Power
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  Speaker 2: four games to make it better. Just two is fine.
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  Speaker 2: You know, one for a lot of programs is fine.
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  Speaker 1: Right, yeah, if you can, if you can get you know,
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  Speaker 1: the Big Ten, for example, they get nine conference games,
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  Speaker 1: So every other year you're going to have five home
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  Speaker 1: conference games. That means that year you can go on
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  Speaker 1: the road in non conference and play a power conference
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  Speaker 1: team and you still have your seven home games. And
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  Speaker 1: then the other year, when you've got four conference games
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  Speaker 1: at home, you can play the home half of the
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  Speaker 1: home and home of that power conference opponent. And if
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  Speaker 1: you're playing nine conference games and one Power conference team
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  Speaker 1: out of out of conference, great, that works out fantastic.
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  Speaker 1: Then you've got your you know, then you've got your
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  Speaker 1: your ten power conference games and you can go play
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  Speaker 1: your in state MAC opponent, Texas can play it's in
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  Speaker 1: state Texas opponent, LSU can go play Louisiana, hyphen whatever
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  Speaker 1: they want to play. And that's all absolutely fine. The
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  Speaker 1: SEC four home conference games every year, you got four
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  Speaker 1: non conference games every year. You can play three of
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  Speaker 1: those at home, get your seven games, and then you
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  Speaker 1: play a home and home home with a power conference team,
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  Speaker 1: and a at the at home and home and home
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  Speaker 1: with a power conference team on the road, and you
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  Speaker 1: still get your end power conference games. And then everyone's
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  Speaker 1: all sort of in the same boat. You want to
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  Speaker 1: play eight conference games, that's fine. Do that by all means,
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  Speaker 1: just get to the same number of power conference games.
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  Speaker 1: We will see how this all plays out. This year
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  Speaker 1: going to be, you know, a fun and interesting twist
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  Speaker 1: to see how much you know. This is a great
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  Speaker 1: and fun and easy thing to say in August. What
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  Speaker 1: are they saying on November I think fourth this year,
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  Speaker 1: which is the first college football player frankinsrevial. Well, we'll
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  Speaker 1: all find out together. We'll be there with a live
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  Speaker 1: show for that. But whichweet Before we get there, we
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