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Are Cinematic Segments Good For Wrestling? | The Still Real to Us Show | Episode #763 – 9/26/24 · THE STILL REAL TO US SHOW – Real Guy Radio

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  Speaker 1: It's to.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome everybody. Welcome to this week's edition a snow Real
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  Speaker 2: Dot Show Episoumber seven and sixty three, ver September twenty six,
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  Speaker 2: twenty twenty four. Welcome to this week's edition of ass
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  Speaker 2: r T You. I am one After the show, I
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  Speaker 2: am Jeff Peck joined every single week from my host
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  Speaker 2: one only about Troy Franklin, Doctor Trey. There cinematic segments
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  Speaker 2: here to stay my friend.
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  Speaker 1: Oh god, I I really do. Like I call me crazy,
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  Speaker 1: but that was one of my favorite things during the
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  Speaker 1: pandemic and to kind of bring them back, and you know,
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  Speaker 1: nobody produces those things like like WWE, so I really
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  Speaker 1: really enjoy them. And uh, heck, I learned this week
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  Speaker 1: that Cody Rhodes moved to California at eighteen and took
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  Speaker 1: acting lessons, So hey, gotta get your money, your money's
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  Speaker 1: worth out of that stuff somehow.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, let's get right into it. So the SmackDown segment,
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  Speaker 2: the face to face confrontation between Roman Rains and Cody
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  Speaker 2: Rhodes at Georgia Tech University, which was tipped off earlier
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  Speaker 2: that day by wrestle votes on Twitter, said that they
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  Speaker 2: had filmed a segment. He didn't or she didn't. I
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  Speaker 2: believe he's a he wrest of bolts now he's doing
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  Speaker 2: radio with Bill after. But he didn't say like it
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  Speaker 2: was gonna air on SmackDown that night or whatever. But
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  Speaker 2: I had already been tipped off on him. And they
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  Speaker 2: aired the segment on SmackDown, and I watched it and
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  Speaker 2: I was riveted. I was entertained. I thoroughly enjoyed it,
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  Speaker 2: and of course all things that is social media nowadays,
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  Speaker 2: you saw a lot of people that loved it. You
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  Speaker 2: saw people that disliked it, and I was like, man,
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  Speaker 2: I really like this, So let's talk about on this week.
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  Speaker 2: This is a show. I want to hear what doctor
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  Speaker 2: Treace say about open it up with the show. It
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  Speaker 2: seems like you were on the same plane field as
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  Speaker 2: I am on this one, Doctor Trey. I love the
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  Speaker 2: segment and I thought it was awesome. I love that
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  Speaker 2: they are doing these NXT styled segments now on the
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  Speaker 2: main roster of Ron SmackDown. What I mean by that
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  Speaker 2: is Jeremy Borash, who was one of the people responsible
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  Speaker 2: for directing producing this segment between Roman Reigns and Cody Rhodes,
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  Speaker 2: would do it all the time down in NXT, especially
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  Speaker 2: over the last like three or four years, you've seen
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  Speaker 2: it like Legato del fount Tasma, we do a bunch
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  Speaker 2: of stuff that was cinematic. The DiAngelo family does a
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  Speaker 2: bunch of stuff that's cinematic. It was things that you
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  Speaker 2: typically see from NXT that's now carried itself up over
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  Speaker 2: to the main roster. And I loved it. So this
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  Speaker 2: is nothing that has been kind of new, but new
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  Speaker 2: to the ron SmackDown audiences for those that watch NXT.
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  Speaker 2: I thoroughly enjoyed it, Doctor Trey. I was heavily entertained.
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  Speaker 2: They don't need to do this all the time. They
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  Speaker 2: need to do it when it's right and justified. And
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  Speaker 2: I thought this was one of those situations where it
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  Speaker 2: was Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I thought it made a lot of sense because, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: you have your arguably your two faces of your company
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  Speaker 1: that were involved in a two year long rivalry culminating
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  Speaker 1: a WrestleMania and now they're teaming up against their common
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  Speaker 1: enemy and we needed some questions answered. I thought this
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  Speaker 1: was a very logical way to do it, because it's
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  Speaker 1: it's gonna be impassioned. And as much as you and
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  Speaker 1: I both love live television. Doing stuff like this allows
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  Speaker 1: you to get your point across clearly and concisely, and
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  Speaker 1: you can articulate it to the audience that you know
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  Speaker 1: exactly the way you want it done. You know, you
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  Speaker 1: and I do this podcast and we do a live
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  Speaker 1: We don't do multiple takes, we don't do a whole
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  Speaker 1: lot of editing. It is literally what we say comes
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  Speaker 1: out boom, goes right to the audience. You know, there
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  Speaker 1: are times that I wish I'm like, man, I wish
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  Speaker 1: I could go back and tweak that or change that,
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  Speaker 1: or I wish I didn't say that. This is just
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  Speaker 1: that way for the audience to actually understand why Cody's
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  Speaker 1: doing this, why Rome is doing this, and that makes
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  Speaker 1: a lot of sense. And you know, Jeremy Borash maybe
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  Speaker 1: one of the most underrated wrestling minds. I mean, you
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  Speaker 1: go back to stuff. I mean, he was one of
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  Speaker 1: the focal points during you know, the Hardy deletion campaign
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  Speaker 1: in TNA. You know, it was him and Matt Hardy
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  Speaker 1: that put a lot of that stuff together. And when
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  Speaker 1: he came to WWE, I was hoping he would be
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  Speaker 1: utilized in the right way, and it seems like he's
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  Speaker 1: found his niche and is able to, you know, kind
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  Speaker 1: of take what he took in TNA and bring it
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  Speaker 1: to a stage like w W. It's being really well done.
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  Speaker 2: P w Insider reported via Wrestling Purists on Twitter quote
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  Speaker 2: Jermy Borash produced the Roman Rings Cody Rhodes face off
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  Speaker 2: that aired on last night SmackDown. This was written on
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  Speaker 2: Saturday Morning. WA's director of character development, Rob Fee was
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  Speaker 2: also on the scene for the segment. Is He and
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  Speaker 2: Borash have been collaborating on projects and segments like this
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  Speaker 2: as of late. In addition to Jeremy Borash and Rob,
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  Speaker 2: Paul Hayman was involved in the face to face segment
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  Speaker 2: between Rains and Roads on last Night SmackDown and personally
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  Speaker 2: directed the talent for the scene. Again, I loved it.
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  Speaker 2: For those who did not enjoy it or don't want
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  Speaker 2: it in their wrestling, I simply ask why if you're
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  Speaker 2: one of those people hit us up on X at
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  Speaker 2: SRT you podcast, because I'm genuinely confused as to why
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  Speaker 2: people would not be interested in this type of entertainment
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  Speaker 2: or way to explain a storyline or further a storyline,
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  Speaker 2: because it's what you see on television. It's a dramatized scene.
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  Speaker 2: It's cinematic, it's different, it's outside the box. It checked
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  Speaker 2: all the boxes and it answered questions that we were
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  Speaker 2: looking for as to why they would do this is
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  Speaker 2: their apprehension there is there is still disdain for one another,
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  Speaker 2: but they see a common enemy. And the enemy of
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  Speaker 2: the enemy of my enemy is my friend is playing
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  Speaker 2: out on our screen right now, and it's it was great.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, if there was one little tweak I would
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  Speaker 2: say about the entire thing, Doctor Trey is. I wasn't
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  Speaker 2: the biggest fan of the music involved, like front and
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  Speaker 2: back of it, probably could have done without, but I
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  Speaker 2: understand why they do it. But I may have tweaked
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  Speaker 2: that one thing. But from start to finish thoroughly entertain
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  Speaker 2: it checked all the boxes for me, and I enjoyed
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  Speaker 2: it as if you were watching from home, and I
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  Speaker 2: want to see more of it going forward.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, there's only so many Creed songs we
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  Speaker 1: can use in.
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  Speaker 2: WWE WWE desire please bring it.
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  Speaker 1: Back, like I'll get here, I'll get here, as like
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  Speaker 1: Jeff pet going God. I wish they'd use my sacrifice.
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  Speaker 3: You are with me, you know, But I like, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: like the music I mean, I mean since Jim Johnson left,
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  Speaker 3: I mean, the music for WW hasn't been up to
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  Speaker 3: I don't think the music's gotten better since Jim Johnson left.
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  Speaker 1: The company or they let him go. But yeah, I
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  Speaker 1: mean there's always little small tweaks and things like that.
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  Speaker 1: Like for one, here's the one thing I like. I
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  Speaker 1: like that they alluded to Roman Reigns as college football career.
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  Speaker 1: That's something we've never touched on really in the development
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  Speaker 1: of Roman Reigns as a character over the last ten
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  Speaker 1: years on TV. Was his football career, and that was
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  Speaker 1: something that they went to right away and it made
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  Speaker 1: a lot of sense. And I love that Paul Hayman's
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  Speaker 1: there because nobody knows the history of Paul Haym but
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  Speaker 1: those history of wrestling as well as Paul Hayman, especially
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  Speaker 1: when it comes to the Samoans and the Rhodes family, Like,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, he can nail this stuff. I mean, as
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  Speaker 1: much as you know Roman and Cody our second borderline,
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  Speaker 1: third generation superstars, like they don't know everything their dads did,
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  Speaker 1: but you know, Paul Hammond's been around for a lot
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  Speaker 1: of their father's careers as well. He can tie it
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  Speaker 1: all up. Make it look pretty and then you got
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  Speaker 1: you know, like Jeremy Boresh there, who's done a lot
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  Speaker 1: of crazy stuff in wrestling. When it comes to the
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  Speaker 1: cinematic stuff, I thought it was really well done. The
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  Speaker 1: music is when it is because it's just like what
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  Speaker 1: we haven't had a really good theme song since Bobby Route,
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  Speaker 1: so you know it is.
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  Speaker 2: What it is true. That is for true. Though, I
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  Speaker 2: would say the new Intercontinental Champion, who we will talk
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  Speaker 2: about here next, Jayuso, has a very catchy tune. So
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  Speaker 2: Doctor Trey and I both like the cinematic segments here
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  Speaker 2: want to see more of it. When it's done appropriately,
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  Speaker 2: it can really transcend very well with the viewer at home,
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  Speaker 2: and I enjoyed it. Again, if you're someone that did
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  Speaker 2: not hit us up on Twitter at SORG podcast, because
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  Speaker 2: I have no idea why someone would not like that,
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  Speaker 2: I mean I literally saw which it is, it's X,
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  Speaker 2: it's Twitter. It makes sense. People were like this was garbage,
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  Speaker 2: and I was like what really, I didn't get that
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  Speaker 2: at all. So we have a new Intercontinental Champion, Doctor
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  Speaker 2: Treys jay Usso, which I will say surprisingly defeated bron
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  Speaker 2: Breaker this past Monday night, and I say surprisingly personally,
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  Speaker 2: because I thought bron Breaker was going to get a
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  Speaker 2: decent run with a championship. Well, I think it was
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  Speaker 2: a little over fifty days. But when you think about things,
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  Speaker 2: you take a step back. Jayus So being crowned the
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  Speaker 2: un You Account champion makes a ton of sense. He's
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  Speaker 2: one of the top merchandise sellers with the company right now.
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  Speaker 2: He is certainly on a swing to go upwards on
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  Speaker 2: this trajectory, and they needed to do something. They needed
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  Speaker 2: to put some sort of championship on him. It's reminiscent
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  Speaker 2: of La Night on the SmackDown Sign, who has a
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  Speaker 2: ton of popularity, and that's how you're seeing it play
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  Speaker 2: out on the raw side. But when I take a
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  Speaker 2: further step back dout to Trey, I tend to think
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  Speaker 2: about where we were four years ago, twenty twenty pandemic,
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  Speaker 2: great times, awesome year. People loved it, couldn't do jack
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  Speaker 2: shit and just stay at home because of a near
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  Speaker 2: flu like symptoms. Nonetheless, you've got jay Uso. He gets
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  Speaker 2: a title shot, a random title shot for the Hell
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  Speaker 2: in a Cell pay per view in October. I think
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  Speaker 2: he won a Battle royal to win that, right, or
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  Speaker 2: it was like a six pack challenge. I couldn't remember
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  Speaker 2: what it was. Nonetheless, he goes from somebody that wasn't
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  Speaker 2: utilized on television for the last like four or five
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  Speaker 2: months because Jimmy Uso was out from injury. He got
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  Speaker 2: injured during the russell Mania thirty six Triple Threat Ladder
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  Speaker 2: match for the tag team titles that did not involve
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  Speaker 2: any tag teams for those that are historians, and jay
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  Speaker 2: Usa was like regulated to background scenes. I remember they
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  Speaker 2: were doing like the Intercontinental Title Tournament which Daniel Bryan
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  Speaker 2: aj Styles were in the finals on that one, and
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  Speaker 2: like jay us was in the background. We're in like
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  Speaker 2: an USO's hat and he wasn't showcased on television, but
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  Speaker 2: out of nowhere, he is now the number one contender
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  Speaker 2: for the w Championship against Roman Reigns at Helen a
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  Speaker 2: Cell And it did not make sense. But as at
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  Speaker 2: the time, and then as time went on, you saw
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  Speaker 2: the character development of jay Uso really take off. You
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  Speaker 2: saw jay Uso become more confident. The inn ring skills
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  Speaker 2: were always there, the personality was always there, but you
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  Speaker 2: got to see that showcase through really really well, and
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  Speaker 2: over the last year and a half, when he turned
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  Speaker 2: on the blood Line, left the blood Line, became his
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  Speaker 2: own man main Evan jay Uso on the Monday Night
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  Speaker 2: Rod Brand. He's really taken off. He is very super
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  Speaker 2: over with the fans. He is extremely popular. He is
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  Speaker 2: very confident in the ring, He is very confident in
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  Speaker 2: the microphone. He is very confident in his character. And
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  Speaker 2: I watched that segment crowd reaction. It isn't Mick Foley
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  Speaker 2: winning the WE Championship in nineteen ninety nine surprisingly over
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  Speaker 2: the Rock on Raw, but it was up there. I
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  Speaker 2: mean that crowd reaction was great. I got goosebumps, which
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  Speaker 2: is rare for me to get nowadays in professional wrestling.
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  Speaker 2: It was an emotional moment. It was a very cool moment.
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  Speaker 2: I love the stuff they aired on social media post
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  Speaker 2: Raw because they were running up against the block there
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  Speaker 2: because they need to get to Law and Order SVU
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  Speaker 2: very very quickly, and you can just see it was
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  Speaker 2: all genuine and heartfelt, and to me, it was watching
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  Speaker 2: the end of this four year climbing away where jay
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  Speaker 2: Usa went from low mid carter tag team wrestler. So
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  Speaker 2: what I never looked at is that could be more,
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  Speaker 2: anything more than a tag team star Doctor Trey to
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  Speaker 2: one of the most over popular stars in all of
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  Speaker 2: professional wrestling. How do you look back at these last
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  Speaker 2: four years of jay Uzo now that he's our Intercontinental Champion.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it's it's a pretty incredible run. Because
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  Speaker 1: when you're part of a tag team, it's it's really hard,
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  Speaker 1: especially if we've been in a highly successful arguably the
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  Speaker 1: greatest tag team of the modern era for WWE, especially
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  Speaker 1: when your partner's your twin brother, to break out, it's
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  Speaker 1: not really breaking out of your out of the partner's shadow,
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  Speaker 1: like you have to get the fans to separate you
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  Speaker 1: from your brother. I mean, the one thing with the
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  Speaker 1: usas you and I talked about this for a long time,
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  Speaker 1: I had a hard time telling them apart for years
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  Speaker 1: because they dressed the same, they had the same hairstyles,
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  Speaker 1: the whole thing. You saw them gradually start to form
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  Speaker 1: their own characters. And then you know, Jimmy and Jay
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  Speaker 1: have both had their issues. You know, one might it
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  Speaker 1: might get arrested, one's injured, you know, and then they
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  Speaker 1: just didn't wwe didn't to do with him without the
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  Speaker 1: other one. And it kind of took that match with
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  Speaker 1: Roman to kind of define who jay Uso can be.
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  Speaker 1: And he's been very very smart about this because he's
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  Speaker 1: taken different elements. And you know, I've alluded this to
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  Speaker 1: this with Cody Rose and some other guys over over
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  Speaker 1: the last few years, is take some elements from people
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  Speaker 1: who were highly successful and make it your own. Like
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  Speaker 1: I see a lot of macho man Randy Savage in
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  Speaker 1: this jay Uso, and the crowd response is natural. He's
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  Speaker 1: a great ring worker, his charismas come out. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: the only thing I hate is the nickname. I hate
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  Speaker 1: saying main event jay Huso because it's just kind of
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  Speaker 1: a cheesy nickname. But outside of that, this run has
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  Speaker 1: been fantastic and this match was like you've been Like
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  Speaker 1: you mentioned the Elia Night thing. It was one of
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  Speaker 1: those things where like if they don't pull the trigger now,
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  Speaker 1: and they brought up several times during the match, which
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  Speaker 1: kind of foreshadowed the conclusion for me. But this was
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  Speaker 1: like a six title shot, you know, at a singles
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  Speaker 1: titling add one one yet like if you weren't going
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  Speaker 1: to pull the trigger now, when were you going to
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  Speaker 1: do it? But the crowd reaction was great, The whole
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  Speaker 1: night was great, just a really really cool moment for
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  Speaker 1: somebody who's basically gone out of their way to bust
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  Speaker 1: their ass and get on this grind and do something
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  Speaker 1: uncomfortable and make their own mark in the world of
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  Speaker 1: professional wrestling.
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  Speaker 2: What do you think is the long term here for
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  Speaker 2: what is the ceiling for jay Uso? Is he future
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  Speaker 2: world champion material? Because I think he is, But I'm
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  Speaker 2: also concerned, like did we potentially reach the ceiling because
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  Speaker 2: I look back at these last four years and the
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  Speaker 2: growth and development of him as a star, as a wrestler,
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  Speaker 2: as a character has been amazing. But it's the same
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  Speaker 2: thing I think about with La Night. It's like, I
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  Speaker 2: look at those two guys and I go, can I
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  Speaker 2: ever see them as a world champion? And I think
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  Speaker 2: in most years I would say yes, I do. But
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  Speaker 2: I also think that the depth of the roster is
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  Speaker 2: so strong right now that it is not a slam
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  Speaker 2: dunk short of thing that Jay Usso or even l
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  Speaker 2: A Knight, who is you know, very interestingly here just
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  Speaker 2: kind of morphed into this conversation as well, because I
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  Speaker 2: do feel like they're the same person on different brands,
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  Speaker 2: could be a world champion at some point.
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  Speaker 1: I think both these guys, and you know, we've always
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  Speaker 1: regarded the you know, the Intercanyle title, the US title
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  Speaker 1: is like stepping stones, like, hey, if you can have
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  Speaker 1: a successful run here, it shows that you can be
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  Speaker 1: a potential world champion. I think sometimes it takes, you know,
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  Speaker 1: luck of the draw, like you might get a run
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  Speaker 1: where hey, all of a sudden, like a couple guys
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  Speaker 1: are injured, the positions have kind of switched around the
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  Speaker 1: pecking order, so to speak, to switched around, and all
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  Speaker 1: of a sudden, you're elevated into that main event spot
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  Speaker 1: and you get that opportunity to be world champion. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I don't think you and I can ever say that
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  Speaker 1: they ever thought that Daniel Briant could be a world
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  Speaker 1: champion back when he came to WWE, you know, and
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  Speaker 1: he got his opportunity see him punk to a degree,
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  Speaker 1: Jeff already to a degree. But they were able to
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  Speaker 1: capitalize on their moments and the crowd reaction. The crowd
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  Speaker 1: got behind them and they became undeniable that they got
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  Speaker 1: that spot. And I think Jay and even l Knight
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  Speaker 1: to a degree or in that where it's like, could
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  Speaker 1: I see them as a world champion yes, would it
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  Speaker 1: take some unfortunate situations for them to get put into
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  Speaker 1: that spot. Probably it may be a little bit of
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  Speaker 1: you know, just bad luck for some other guys for
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  Speaker 1: them to get that opportunity. But both guys are are
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  Speaker 1: well liked by the crowd. La Knight looks like your
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  Speaker 1: prototypical world champion. Jay USO's a little bit that, you know,
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  Speaker 1: kind of like out there outside the box mentality. But
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  Speaker 1: I do think both guys could be a world champion,
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  Speaker 1: But I just don't think like that's in their cards.
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  Speaker 1: If you laid them out, if WW said, hey, who
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: hasn't been a world champion that we think we can
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: put the belt on, I don't know if they're at
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: the top of that list, but they're at least on
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: the list now.
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: It's very cool to see the old school fan of me.
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: The Intercontinental Championship was typically reserved for, you know, the
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: workhorse title which you always hear and Dad Biwie videos, whatever,
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: but it was also a stepping zone. It was an
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: opportunity to see if somebody could run as a world champion,
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: and people that had this upward momentum you would see
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: all the time have that championship whether it be Brett Hart,
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: Shawn Michaels, The Rock, Steve Austin as and and you're
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: starting to see that return here with Gunther and Sammy
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: Zain recently hold the Intercontinental Championship. Obviously, Gunther is the
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: world champion. I think Sammy Zein is a world champion material.
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: I think with the Intercontinental title, in the United States Championship,
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: I think l A. Knight and Jay Usso if they
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: are able to succeed with these championships, these secondary titles,
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: this could be a true test if they can run
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: with the World Championship and continue to build a popularity
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: as well, which is an old school style of booking,
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: which is very fun to see during Triple H's time
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: now as the head of creative for World Rest Entertainment,
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: because I feel like that is something that has been
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: kind of lost over the last fifteen twenty years. Obviously,
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: there's been times where that has happened, Doctor Trey pointing
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: out some really good examples like Jeff Hardy holding the championship.
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: I think of CM Punk hold the Intercontinental Championship one
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: time as well. You know, these are people that use
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: those opportunities as stepping zones. Chris Jericho when he held
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: the Intercontinental Championship a little bit later on in the
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: two thousands, that was the use as a stepping zone.
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: So I like that it's back. It could be utilized
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: as that stepping stone championship or as an opportunity to
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: help elevate a star as someone that is one to
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: keep an eye on, like a bron breaker. But I'm very,
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: very happy for Juso. His four year clim has been
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: incredible and I don't think I've seen someone develop so
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: well in professional wrestling over the last four years like
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: jay Uso truly has. So congratulations to him for overcoming
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: the last obstacle or the most recent obstacle in being
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: crowned Intercontinental Champion. Keeping with wwee here Doctor Trey, as
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: we see a new error big again with Jusos Intercontinental Champion.
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: We saw an error close this past Tuesday night as
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: NXT on USA ended. NXT goes to the CW starting
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: this Tuesday. They'll be in Chicago seeing punks that I
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: don't know if anybody has heard about that yet, but
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: you know, I was watching NXC this past week. I
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: saw the video they did to recap the last five
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: years on the USA Network, and I was like, man,
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: this is such a big deal that they're this error
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: is coming to a close, because from fourteen to nineteen,
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: twenty fourteen to twenty nineteen, NXT was just a one
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: hour show on the WA network that got a cult
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: like following. It got moved to two hours and on
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: the USA Network to compete with AW a month prior
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: to AW Dynamite launching, which we'll talk about their five
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: year anniversary ad next week's show, and that was set
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: to compete for the Wednesday Night Wars. They ended up
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: losing that they got moved to Tuesday nights. We had
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: Triple H have health issues. The two point zero era began,
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: uh Triple H return, Black and Gold was back, and
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: it had its a lot of ups, it had a
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: lot of downs, and it was starting to ride and
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: it is riding a really good wave of momentum that
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: is reminiscent of the days of NXT that I truly
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: enjoyed during that twenty fourteen to twenty nineteen stretch. When
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: you look back at the last five years, Doctor Trey,
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: what do you think about when it comes to the
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: NXT brand? Ultimately, was this the right move. I feel
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: like this was the right proper step for the brand
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: to continue to grow. Was there more ups than downs?
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: Was there more downs than ups? How do you look
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: back at these last five years as they shift from
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: the USA network to the CW network.
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: I mean, it was the right move for the growth
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: of NXT. I mean, obviously, you've got an extra hour
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: of television, You've got a little bit broader audience. You know,
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: you got to kind of experience for those for those
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: younger talents, a little bit of what you would experience
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: on you know, on raw or backdown, and it was
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: kind of you started seeing more of the main roster
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: people matriculate back to NXT during that time because you're
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: in a competition with another company, where when it was
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: just on the network, they weren't really competing with anybody else. Overall, though,
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: I still think it's there's more downs than there were
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: ups in comparison to their time on the network, because
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: I felt like when they were just on the W network,
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: it was just incremental growth the entire time. There weren't
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: really any I mean, obviously there's gonna be slight bumps
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: in the road, but you know, the triple h you know,
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: health issue and then the rebranding, you know that that
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: kind of messed the show up for a while. It
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: took quite a while for some of the fans, Like
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: I'm one of them. I dipped out of the show
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: for like a year because it was so bad. And
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: over the last you know, six months, year, year and
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: a half, it's slowly gotten better in it's and you're right,
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: it's getting closer to that premiere black and Gold era
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: that we saw like on the network and then when
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: it first came over to USA. But you know, for
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: the most part, like to me, I still think of
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: NXT being a WW network show because of how bad
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: that two point zero re rebranding was when it was
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: under the Vince and Bruce Pritcher control there, you know,
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: right around twenty twenty one, twenty twenty two.
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: Those early shows on the USA network from like September
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: to I want to say, like well just before the
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: Pandemic movie March. But there was strekes there from like
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: September December where it was like really really fun and
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: cool and I had a really good vibe to it.
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: I miss mar Ronaldo, I missed Beth Phoenix, I missed
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: Nigel McGinnis. I think Vic Joseph and Booker t have
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: done a good job, but I feel like that Free
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: Person booth was one of the best in all of
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: professional wrestling, and we clearly see that with Nigel McGuinness
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: now in aw you in so many ways, both on
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: the microphone and now back in the Squared Circle as well.
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: That was a ton of fun. And what's crazy is
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: I think there was one period of time where it
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: was like in twenty nineteen you had there was like
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: a segment where it had all the Undisputed era William
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: Regal and Keith Lee in a shot. And then two
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: years later, fast forward to Dynamite and they did this
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: backstage segment where you had all the Undisputed era William
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: Regal and Keith Lee and it was just mind blowing
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: to see that because it felt like WW retreated so
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: much and there was so much damage done to the
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: NXT brand at that point that it was hard to
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: process and hard to continue to move forward. As an
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: NXT fan. I remember that last show just before the
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: World shut Down on Wednesday night they aired in the PC,
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: and remember Charlotte fair Flair showed up to take out
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: Ria Ripley or whatever, and it was a really cool
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: crowd in the PC, a lot of fun. It's a
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: really good show. And then after that thing's changed, things
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: definitely got weird during the pandemic for professional wrestling as
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: a whole when they returned and then they were trying
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: to find their footing as two point zero. I mean it,
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: it was tough. That was a tough watch for a
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: period of time. It certainly felt like it was a
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: Vince Rickman driven w which is something at that point
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: I think we've all learned, I think a majority of
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: us have learned is outdated at this point and not
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: something that fans wanted. And NXT prior to that was
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: everything that fans wanted. NXT losing the fan base during
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: the pandemic definitely hit hard for them. I think was
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: hard to fur their storylines. I think it was hard
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: to gain the same excitement for the matches and the
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: segments and the storylines that you had in the past.
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: But overall, they've they've really done a good good job
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: over the last year and a half, the last year
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: especially to really find that voice, to find that confidence
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: again as a brand, as a standalone brand, and I'm
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: excited for them to move to the CW. But this
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: I think if I looked back at the last five years,
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: doctor Trey, and it's like, Okay, how do you summarize
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: these last five years NXC on USA, I would say
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: it was just growth. There was good growth, there was
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: really bad growth. There was substantial growth, there was growth
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: that went backwards, there was growth that really went forwards.
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: But that's the word that I would use, is just
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: growth for the NXT brand. And I'm excited to see
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: where things go now with CW. There's been reports out
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: there to that WA wants to put a little bit
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: more focused on the NXT brand, but we've heard that before,
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: so hopefully that happens again and actually stays this time.
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: But overall, what would be your way that you summarize
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: if you had to pick a word for the last
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: five years in the USA network for NXT.
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I like growth because in my head I was
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: thinking of like if you've ever planted a vine and
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: you watch the buy and grow, you don't really control
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: where it goes. It can go up, it can go left, right,
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: it can go but you can get into some bad
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: stuff and you gotta trim it and that's how I
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: kind of figured, that's how I kind of look at
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: NXT on USA. There was a lot of growth, but
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: like you said, some of it was bad growth. Some
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: of it was you know, this thing's getting into my
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: sewage line, this thing is getting this thing's going all
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: over the place. I gotta trim this back. And I
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: immediately go to Tony D'Angelo because when Tony d first
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: came on the scene doing the whole you know, it
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: was much more of an Italian monster g but it
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: was so prototypical, so gimmicky and bad. Like I remember
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: you and I talked about off air. I'm like, this
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: character is horrible, But you've seen the growth of Tony
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: D over this time and now you're like, yeah, I
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: buy into Tony d. I buy into the family. I
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: like the whole thing. So it is one of those
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: things where like some growth is growth for the sake
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: of growth is not always good because it can be
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: like mold, it'll just be bad. But overall, I think
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: that they've grown the product, they've grown the brand, and
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: now when people come up to the main roster, they
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: have a little bit more of a following than they did.
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: You know, maybe just on the network era.
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that is true. I mean ultimately it helped further
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: the NXT brand and for those who weren't watching the
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: WA network if they were subscribers or not, and then
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: they got an opportunity to see in the USA network.
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: It allowed us an opportunity to see a lot of
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: stars grow there's that word again and carry it over
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: to the main roster. I mean. One of those very
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: early episodes on NXC and USA end of December, Riada
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: Ripley defeating SHANEA Basler, which is a very memorable moment
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: from this era where she's being hoisted up on the
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: on people's shoulders that are on the ring, celebrating. And
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: then look at where Rita Ripley is today and she
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: is one of the most over and maybe the most
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: over professional wrestling star in the entire industry today, which
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: is really really exciting to see. She got to start
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: at NXT and helped elevate the brand with the NXC
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: on USA era. So that comes to that has come
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: to a close as of this past Tuesday, they moved
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: to the CW starting this upcoming Tuesday, again seeing Punk
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: guest referee for the trick Williams Ethan Page Match, and
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: you've also got Roxane Perez taking on Julia All on
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: a very pay per view heavy edition of NXT on
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: the CW network. Keeping with the USA network Dot Trey.
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: One of the shows for WWE that recently moved over
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: there was Friday Night SmackDown. A report came out coming
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: to us from Wrestle Votes that w will look to
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: add a third hour to w SmackDown at the start
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: of the new year. USA Network will broadcast the new
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: three hour version of SmackDown beginning on Friday, January third.
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: This would be more in line with what we saw
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: with the w RAW early thoughts here at Doctor Trey
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: on SmackDown potentially and I'm just gonna throw well, I'll say,
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: reportedly moving to three hours starting on starting in January
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: twenty twenty five.
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: I mean, it makes sense from a revenue standpoint, because
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: you're losing an hour of advertising revenue by only doing
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: a two hour shows compared to Robbie and three and
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: USA you know, they know they're getting in bed with
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: I mean, this is not foreign concept to them. They're like, hey,
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: we know what we can draw with a three hour show.
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: We may not know what that those ratings will be
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: on a Friday night as opposed to Monday nights, but
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: we do know what we can charge for, you know,
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: for advertising, so it makes sense on that end. I'm
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: also happy about it because one of the concerns we
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: had when they when we first announced that Raw was
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: going to go to two hours was, Hey, there's a
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: lot of guys that you know, have been built up
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: because of that extra hour. Hey, at least now we
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: know that they may have to shift some people around
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: on the rosters to fill that extra hour over on
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: the SmackDown, But that's the show that kind of needs
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: some extra fill in, like you and I have been
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: complaining about the Cody Rhads title run because they haven't
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: built anybody else up to really challenge them with that
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: extra hour of programming. Now you can kind of build
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: up some new stars on SmackDown and maybe get some
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: more a little bit more compelling television, because I think
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: SmackDown may be the weakest of the three shows over
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: the past six months.
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: It's amazing how much I have flipped on this entire thing.
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: I mean, back in the day when they moved to
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: three hours, I absolutely hated it. You hated it, I
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: hated it. It did not make any sense. The way
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: that Vince handled those three hours, or creative under Vince
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: for three hours was like a mixed mosh. It was
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: like no further character development stuff that again wand and
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: carry forward. But under the Triple H creative regime, Doctor Trey,
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: it has made a ton of sense. The stuff on Raw, Like,
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: think about all the wrestlers who have been able to
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: get more TV time that we may not have seen
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: if it was for two hours. Bronson Reid comes to mind,
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: American made comes to mind. It's phenomenal to see this.
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: And then I watch Raw and I watched SmackDown. I'm like, man,
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: two hours. There are stars that I want to see
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: more of. I want to see more of Logato del Phantasma.
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: I want to see more of Carmelo Hayes, I want
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: to see more of Diy. I want to see the
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: tag team division on SmackDown developed more. And that's where
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: we're at. And WWA has won me over that if
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: they could put on three hours of programming and make
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: it make sense and make it worth my time, that
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: it is worth my time, and that is what they've accomplished.
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: So I'm excited for the two hour to three hour move,
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: you have to figure. I know there's reports out there
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: with the move to Netflix on January the sixth, twenty
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: twenty five, that WWA won't be holded to doing a
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: two hour show or three hour show. There's going to
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: be the reports are right now that if it's two
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: hours and twenty five minutes, it's two hours and twenty
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: five minutes. If it's three hours, it's three hours. If
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: it's three hours and eight minutes, it's three hours and
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: eight minutes. That they have basically free rain when they
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: air live on Netflix. And that's exciting because it's it's
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: got to allow them to put together a well organized
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: show with really no time constraints per se. I mean,
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: I guess they're going to pick and choose their commercials.
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: We'll learn more about that as we get closer. But
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: the character development this all, and that's kind of been
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: the theme here, going back to the cinematic matches with
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: or the cinematic segment with the Rains and Roads on
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: the show and jay usso an annixc on USA era.
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: Here we are again with the character development, and that's
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: what matters a lot to me as a fan is.
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: I could watch in ring stuff all day long. I
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: could watch a great match, but if I don't give
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: a shit about the wrestlers in the ring or their
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: development or how they've come to this point, or why
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: they've come to this point, why this match is taking place,
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: then it doesn't hit the same when you watch the
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: entire five course meal take place all at once, where
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: there's a few there's a story, there's a care, there's
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: some depth, and there's a great in ring work all
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: taking place at the same time. So I'm excited about
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: to move doctor Trey, and I never thought I would
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: get there, but here we are.
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: My friend, Yeah, I'm excited about it too, And I'm
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: really intrigued by the whole raw Netflix deal because, like
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: you said, like you know, the window is two hours.
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: If it goes to ten, two, five, three hours, it
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: is it is. I am just waiting for the first
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: time they run short, and they run an hour and
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: fifty minutes, and you see the backlash, you know on
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: social media, like oh they shortest ten minutes. It's like yeah,
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: but they went over fifteen twenty minutes to previous four
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: or five shows. So just take it as you just
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: know the first time they run one hour and fifty
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: five minutes, there's gonna be a backlash on it. But
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: you know, I'm excited about about both shows because it's
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: new territory for both entities. So anything's good for character
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: development because I like the I don't know about I
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: don't know how it is in Northeast, but right now
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: it's fair season and circus season kicking off in the South,
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: and like like I, like you said, I can watch
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: great wrestling every single day, just like I could go
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: to a circus and enjoy the hell of a circus.
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: But I'm not gonna follow the circus every single week
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: just because of the performances. I need to know why
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: people are doing stuff, or I need to know some
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: background story, or I need to care about the performers
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: for me to follow them. And that's why I think,
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: you know, sometimes we miss an other, you know, programming
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: is we don't. I don't know why I care. I
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: don't know why these guys were bitter rivals and now
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: they're shaking hand. I don't. I don't understand this stuff.
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: You kind of have to explain to me, like I'm
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: a four year old at times for me to go
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: Oh that makes sense. Now I know why they're doing this,
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: and that goes ties into the cinematic stuff we were
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: talking about when we can start the show. It ties
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: into why are Butcher and Shamus fighting? In like why
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: is Butch jumping Shamous again? Why is Braun? Why are
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: Bronson and Braun? I mean, are they fighting over the
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: name Braun? And why is Braun breaker not involved in
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: Bronton Reid and Braun Stroman and just have it all
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: out broad for all. I don't know I need, but
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: do you tell me why? And I go, Okay, this
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: makes sense, and now I'm gonna watch it, Like I'm
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: excited for Bronton, Reid and Braun Strowman in a last
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: man standing match because of all the stuff they've done
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: over the last few weeks, which I don't think I
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: would have given a crap about two years ago. It's
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: just they've developed these characters, so now I care that
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: they're fighting and they're brawling all over the place. I'm
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: excited for it, and I think that just shows the
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: difference between what we were getting under Vince and what
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: we're getting on Trileh.
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: And now I say it all the time when it
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: comes to WAE when it comes to aw when it
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: comes to professional wrestling as a whole. At the end
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: of the day, all I want as a fan make
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: it make sense to me, and that's what I want,
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: and that's what WWE has been doing. And I'm excited
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: for the jump for two to three hours if they
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: continue to make it make sense, and I feel like
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: I have confidence in this group that they continue will
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: they will continue to do that as time goes on.
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: When SmackDown makes that move potentially or reportedly to two
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: to three hours in January, there's one huge name on
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: the SmackDown roster right now that may or may not
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: be part of those three hours, and that is one
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: of our favorite wrestlers that we've ever covered in the
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: history of this entire podcast, and that is one Kevin Owens.
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: According to Fight Full Select via Wrestling wrestle Peris on Twitter,
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: Kevin Owens has been approached about regarding a new WE contract.
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: Aw IS expected to make Owens a big offer becomes available.
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: Kevin Owens has not yet re signed with w WEE
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: with his deal expected to expire at the end of
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: this year. Again, aw IS long held a major interest
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: in Owens doctor Trey. We're gonna do a little bit
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: of a contract round up here because there's the names
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: that I want to cover, Luca Bros, Daniel Garcia, Miro
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: and with w wee's methodology raise right now when it
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: comes to contracts. But starting with Kevin Owens, your thoughts
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: on the latest reports and where you think he ends
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: up in twenty twenty five.
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, this one, it's a little tricky at times because
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: his to his best friends are wrestlers, ones in AW
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: one's in WWE. I mean, Adam Cole and Kevin Owens
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: are best friends, and so is Kevin and Sammy's ain't
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: Normally that would make it a little trickier for me
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: to pay. But I just can't see Owens looking at
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: adw and looking at all this stuff going on and going,
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: you know what, I'm better off there. I mean, we've
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: we've talked about it now with you know, it's a
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: lighter road schedule for WWE. It's really good pay for WWE.
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: Your best friends there, The guy running the company is
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: the guy that's handpicked you to be world champion in
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: two different brands. To me, as much of as people
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: want to make up about how much AW wants Kevin Owins.
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: I just don't see Owens leaving WWE, so I think
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: he stays.
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he stays as well. I think one
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: of the reasons why is it's a good time to
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: be a WWE superstar, right, I mean, if you're to
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: jump to AW, we'll get to Grant Slam here in
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: a little bit. There are some red flags about all
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: elite wrestling that are concerning if I was a professional wrestler,
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: I totally understand if you're like Mercedes Monein and you're
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: Ricochet and you want to get that opportunity to get
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: out of the WE fold and feel like what AW
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: is doing is better for you. And most certainly I
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: don't think AW is going to be in this hole
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: for the entire eternity as a brand. I think there's
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: obviously plenty of room to grow for it to succeed.
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: But if I'm Kevin Owens and I'm making a business,
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: I'm making a family decision. And we talked about the
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: reports O the last several weeks that the house show schedule,
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: the house show loops are going to be reduced. I
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: think staying in w W is the decision I would
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: want to see and as a fan of Kevin Owens,
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: I want to see him remain in W as well,
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: Doctor Trey.
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: I think the Kevin Owens now, if you had asked
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: me years ago, if AW was around, when you know,
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: his Ring of Honor contract was up, I would have
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: said Kevin Owh was a probably a better fit for
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: AW than WW. But the Kevin Owans we have now,
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: the different you know, the talker, the wrestler, the performer,
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: everything that goes into what Kevin Owens is, I think
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: he's better suited for WW than AW. Not to mention,
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: Triple H has selected him the NC champion. Triple H
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: pushed for him to be heavyweight champion, Like you got
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: to have more faith in your guy, Triple H than
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: Tony Kahn because the argument you can say Tony Cohn's
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: dropped the ball with several of your friends when they
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: made the move from WWAWS. I just think for Kevin
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: it just makes more sense to stay where he's at.
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's never a slam dunk going AW. Now, then
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: you're gonna see like this massive character development. So I
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: think creatively they are very much slacking, and I would
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: want to see Kevin Owen's remain in w W versus
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: going to el Elite Wrestling talk about W ANDAW. There
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: were some reports out there early last week or late
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: last week that the Lucher Bros Had signed Penta and
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: Ray Phoenix had signed with W and we was starting
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: to work on merchandise for them. Those reports were refuted.
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: They are still under contract with AW, but the expectation
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: is is that they end up in WWE. This is
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: something that we talked about a couple of weeks ago,
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: Doctor Trey. That is the latest movement with the Lucher Bros.
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: I'm excited to see them come to w and see
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: how w utilizes them.
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm excited for them because I do I think,
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: you know, it's one of the things that we've talked about.
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: I mean, God, we've been doing the show forever. You know,
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: who's the next Ray Mysterio, Who's the next Luchen Door
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: that they can really market and they can really push
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: And you know, they've they've literally thrown every lucidor at
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: us over the last decade to try and somehow fill
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: that that Ray Mysterio role. And correct me if I'm wrong,
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: But isn't Dragon Lee related to Ray Phoenix, and I
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: thought he was like brothers Rush okay, but you know,
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: he was tagging with Ray Phoenix at one point in
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: Triple A for a while because I think they won
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: the belt, and then they immediately had to strip him
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: of the belt because Dragon has signed with w W.
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: It's it's it's a weird thing, but you know, you
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: get something like like Penta who is charismatic as hell
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: and never really says a word except for his one
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: little catchphrase, Ray Phoenix one of the best high flyers
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: in the world. Like that's something that ww can really
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: market and really make exciting for their Latin American fan base.
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: I just wonder, you know, I are they gonna get
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: paired with somebody to kind of do the talking for them?
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: Are they gonna get you know, are they gonna get
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: paired with Santos? Are they gonna get thrown in to
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: the LWL? Are they gonna get thrown in some mixed
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: mash thing? But that's the only thing I think they
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: may need when they come to WWE. Outside of that,
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: like in ring work, character merchandise, I think they get
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: the fall package for WWE.
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: There's some concern right now in regards to Daniel garcia
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: status with AW. This comes to us from Dave Meltzer
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: via wrestler Wressell Peuris on Twitter. Quote confidence that Daniel
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: Garcia is going to resign with AW reportedly not as
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: strong as a month ago. Meltzer says, as far as
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: what's going to happen with him Daniel Garcia, I would
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: say this. I would say that this that the almost
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: serviety of the confidence, strong confidence that he was signing.
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't say that it's as strong. I wouldn't say
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: that he's leaving either, but it's not as strong as
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: it was a month ago, Doctor Trey. Daniel Garcia's status
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: is an interesting case because I thought he would return
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: AW based on everything that I've seen on television and
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: just I figured that AW looked at him as you know,
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: a long term investment. It seems that he is at
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: least interested. Talked to we as of right now as
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: we record this show, your thoughts here on where Daniel
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: Garcia potentially ends up and where do you want to
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: see him end up?
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: I think right now, if you're a young person in
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: AAW and you look around the wrestling world, you're like, Okay,
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: Am I really going to progress here and move up
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: the ladder? Or is ww either right fit for me?
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: The Ethan Page stuff has probably thrown a huge wrench
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: into a lot of aw's plans. And because you got
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: a guy like Ethan Page, who I'm not gonna say
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: he was underutilized in AEW, but you know he wasn't
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: featured very much. You know, he had some opportunities, but
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: then just kind of got pushed the side oft times.
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: And then now he goes to NXT and blows up.
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: If you're a Daniel Garcia and you look at that
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: and go I could do the same thing. So that's
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: got to throw a little bit of a wrench into
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: aw's plans because if I'm Garcia, I have to take
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: a look at that and then does my style fit
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: in what WWE does or am I better suited for AW.
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: I think they protected themselves with that booking of the
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: MJF match because MGF gets the win, Garcia kind of
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: wins the battle or the war, so to speak. Because
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: if Garcia leaves, hey, MJF still you know, beat the guy.
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: But if he comes back, hey, I'm the one who
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: put MJF on the shelf. I still think Garcia is
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: probably better suited for AEW, but you know, I wouldn't
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: be shocked if he bet on himself and went to WWE.
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I think it's surprising that he and AW haven't
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: come in agreement yet because I would have figured coming
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: out of all Out on this angle that they aired
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: with M Jeff that he would have capitalized on. But
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: he has not been seen since all Out, which leads
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: me to believe that there is a decent chance that
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: he ends up in WA. It's surprising, it really is,
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: because I think AW has done Daniel Garcia very well,
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: and I think that they would continue to do him
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: very well in the future. I think they again look
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: at him as long term investments. So this is one
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: of those instances where you know, I think most of
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: the time I probably would lean towards you, Dan Garcia,
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: and WWE would make a lot of sense. I actually
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: think Dan Garcia remaining in AW makes a ton of sense.
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: So I'm surprised that he isn't staying with AW as
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: of right now. And I think there's again red flags
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: there because what are we three weeks removed from all Out,
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: and again they have not capitalized on that storyline. They
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: have not even furthered it on dynamite collision or rampage,
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: which leads me to believe that maybe he is in
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: fact WWE bown. I think his contract comes up at
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: the end of October. News on the AW front. According
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: to fight Full Select Occurtesy of Wressell Puris on X,
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: Miro has requested his release from AAW. Miro has not
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: been used since the end of December of twenty twenty three,
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: I want to say at the World's End pay per view.
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: More on the report from fight Full Select, stating there
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: was some consideration internally to use Miro in the AW
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: All in Casino Gauntlet, and he had pitched working with
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: John Moxley earlier this year. Miro and AW were unable
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: to get on the same page creatively, something that became
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: a common occurrence for the two sides in recent years.
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: Miro came to All Lead Wrestling. Doctor Trey is somebody
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: that was being underutilized in WE as Russev. When he
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: came to AW, I really thought that this is someone
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: that would hold the AW World Championship at some point,
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: and it certainly seemed like he was being booked that
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: way and then he basically fell off the face of
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: the earth. I think he had like four matches in
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: two thousand and two. Twenty two he had just a
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: couple of matches. He had returned one collision launch in
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: twenty twenty three, and he's been nowhere to be found
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: into the twenty four I think he is under contract
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: until I think he's had like a five year extension,
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: which takes it to about twenty twenty eight or so
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: according to reports. I think it makes sense for both
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: to part at this point because it's not working for
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: either side. But when you look back at his run
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: and all elite wrestling, should it be coming to an
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: end and he becomes a free agent, this may be
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: the most disappointing of them all.
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, as you're saying that, I was trying to think
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: of anybody else that's made the jump that's been this
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: disappointing in the sense of, you know, we all know
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: Miro Keilee, Yeah, Keith Lee probably, but like, I mean,
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: he's one of the most talented guys you know around
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: Like he's a big man that can move, he can wrestle,
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: you know, he's got some charisma. I mean, you go
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: back to when I was in New Orleans for WrestleMania
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: back in twenty nineteen. RUCEV Day was everywhere, like they
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: were chanting it in the streets of New or Lens
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: for WrestleMania, and you know, WW never capitalized on it,
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: and he made the move to AW and like you said,
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: we all thought he'd be, you know, a huge star,
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: a huge push, and then he comes in as the
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: best Man, which was the weirdest gimmick for a while.
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: But then I thought he had kind of found a
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: niche with the Redeemer gimmick. But I mean, the guy
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: hasn't wrestled a match for you in ten months. I mean,
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: and he's not injured, and you know, obviously he's not
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: in the best headspace because he's going he went through
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: a divorce recently. I mean, he's you gotta either just
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: go you know what, let's just cut bait. You go
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: your way, we'll go our way, and that way we
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: stop paying you. But you know, everybody expects it. If
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: he does get released it he might just jump right
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: to WW. That might snatch him up. But that may
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: not happen either. So I mean, he may have to
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: go the independent route for a little bit, and you know,
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: kind of you know, refined himself before he gets that
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: call from from Triple Hing Company.
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and who knows where this goes from here. There's
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: I think he's been working on television shows. I think
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: he was on like some sort of CBS trauma. I
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: want to say Blue Bloods, but it's like one of
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: those cop shows that he was doing. There as like
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: a like a minor character here and there. I think
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: he did a couple episodes. I don't know if he
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: necessarily has the interest or the itch to continue in
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: professional wrestling, and if he goes back to w WEE
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: is is I mean, I could see him not going
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: back to w W. I could see him going to
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: DNA or something. It's been extremely disappointing all in all.
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: I mean, his booking the Creative, there's obviously something there
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: that he and AW don't get along when it comes
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: to the Creative and it's on It's unsure why, because
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: I think he had the opportunity to when he came
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: in the company to be an AW world champion and
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: he just is not capitalized and he's been one of
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: the most disappointing. Keith Lee has been one of the
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: most disappointing, but I think that has a lot to
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: do more with with injuries than anything, and we'll see
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: where things end up here. Obviously, there's been no granted
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: release from Only Wrestling to Miro since this story broke
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: late last week. The last bit of contract news, I
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: want to discuss your Doctor before we get into a
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: quick review of aw Grand Slam that took place last
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: night on the TBS network. According to Wrestling Observer newsletter
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: via Wrestle Purists on Twitter, w has started to work
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: on at least fifteen new deals for talent whose contracts
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: would be up over the next several months. That is
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: a change in contrast where a lot of contracts were
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: nearly coming up or came up, and WWE was like
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: trying to sign people very very quickly, whether it be
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: Becky Lynch or Chad Gable that came to mind. Now
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: they're trying to get ahead of it, and I think
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: some of the names I saw was like Rhea Ripley,
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: Kevin Owens obviously being one of them. This is the
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: right way of business, doctor track. I want to see
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: this roster stay intact. This has been a really good
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: roster and I can't think of anybody who's being underutilized
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: and should get that move to AW. So hopefully Dowey
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: is able to lock up some of these talents that
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: we've been enjoining watching on w DOETV as a plate.
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I never understood WWE's contract negotiation strategy in the past,
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: where it's like you literally hear people say like, oh no,
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: my contract's up in a month and I haven't heard
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: from them. Like that to me is a little kind
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: of shady and underhand, like you're trying to make the
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: talent nervous that they might not get renewed and so
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: that way you think they'll take the whatever deal you
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: throw at them. It does. That's not how you negotiate
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: things in modern times, and especially when you have direct
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: competition that can pay as well as you do. I mean,
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: if if the new TV deal comes out for AW,
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: they're gonna have a little more influx of cash so
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: they can pay as much as the competition, if not more,
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: you know, and you still have TNA that doesn't mind
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: throwing a little bit of money around if it makes
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: sense as well. I mean, just it's it's it's negotiating
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: in good faith, like hey, we like you we know
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: your contracts coming up in six months, you know, start
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: thinking of in the parameters of what you want, and
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: we'll start doing the same thing, and we'll see we can't,
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: you know, head this off of the path. I mean
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: to have some be like Becky Lynch who's having a
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: match at WrestleMania, who's contracts up right after it and
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: you hadn't reached out. I mean, that's kind of shady
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: for somebody that's meant so much for your company. So
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: if they're trying to be more proactive about it going forward,
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: I think that's a good move for the company standpoint,
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: and you don't ever make somebody feel like they're unwanted,
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: at least heading into that negotiation period.
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this is a lot of influence, I think from
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: AW being a very strong second to them in the
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: United States for wrestling promotions, where you know, Tody, we
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: would be very lazy, not give a shit about renewals,
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: and you would hear that often from wrestlers where it
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: would be coming up towards the end and they're like, oh, yeah,
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: we got to talk about that contract and then no
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: contract came through or somebody wasn't doing their job and
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: tell relations. We should not let anybody walk to free
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: agency without giving them an offer and starting contract negotiations.
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: If as a company they want to keep those folks
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: under the wa M Brella, then they should be doing
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: everything they possibly can to keep them under that umbrella.
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: One of those names was Ricochet. Ricochet was negotiate with WE.
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: He told him that he wanted to see what a
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: free agency world was going to be like, and they
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: let him go in their merry way. So they even
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: started a little bit earlier and kind of learned from
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: the mistakes with Chad Gable, Becky Lynch and anybody else
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: in the past. Remember like seeing Punk when he was
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: on the ass with w WE for ten years, he
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: talked about a time where he would like go up
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: to Vince and asked about his contract and It's was like, oh, yeah,
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: we got to talk about that, And then they never
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: talked about it, and we would get closer and closer
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: to the date where his contract was coming up, and
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: then it would be rushed and then they would resign.
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: I think that had a lot to do with the
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: lack of competition. And now there's competition and the ball
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: is in the workers court, it's in the court of
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: the wrestler where it should be and give them an
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: opportunity to max their earnings potential with a renegotiated or
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: an extension or a new contract depending on how they
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: are coming to a arresting promotion or staying with arrestling
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: promotion in the future. So it's nice to see w
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: trying to keep people under the w umbrella. Last thing
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: I want to discuss here on this week's This to
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: the Show, Doctor Trey is Last night was AW Grand
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: Slam from Arthur Ashy Arena in Queens, New York. A
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: couple of notes on that one. Danielson and Nigel go
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: back into time and a very fun opener. Hook retires
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: the FTW Championship. Finally, the Young Bucks, will Os Brain
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: Kyle Fletcher put on a tag team clinic. MVP Monteal
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: Montel Vontavius Porter is all Elite that John Moxley defeats
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: Darby Allen for an AW World Championship Championship shot at
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: Russell Dream he will take on Brian Danielson. Those were coming.
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: The couple of the news and notes from that one,
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: Doctor Trey Murah main Yukaza Kazaki did not have a
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: great match that was not a fun segment overall. Did
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: you get into opportunity to watch Grant Slam and what
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: were some of your takeaways?
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah? I watched a lot of it, you know obviously,
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: and you know this now and having when you have
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: a small child or my kids and toddler running around
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: the house and does kind of throw up things out
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: of whack and inside out too. Came out on Disney Plus,
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: so I had to battle Sammy Franklin on what we
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: were actually gonna watch last night. They still did not
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: really sell me on why Brian Daniels and wrestle Look
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: Brian answer Nigel Againess, that was great. I loved it.
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: It was very throwback for me, very nostalgic, and it
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: showed Nigel could still go great. Still did explain to
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: me why Brian Danielson is okay to wrestle Nigel but
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: couldn't wrestle Darby still have explained that to me. But
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: it is what it is. We're getting Brian and and
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: Moxley of all the people to come out for the
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: save though, to kind of help help hold off the
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: BCC it's private party and Commander to come out to
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: take on Pop and Claudio and mocks like. I was like, really,
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: that's that's the best baby Faces. We got to kind
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: of stand down the BCC and their terror that they've
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: been running ramp it through. Okay, seems kind of weak
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: to me, but uh, the matches themselves. All the matches
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: were pretty great, except for the Maria may match, Like
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: that's yeah, that or not the work, yeah that, It
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: just wasn't good. Overall. It was a fun show, But
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: this is what we talk about. There's there's loose ends
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: that don't make sense to me that they don't explain,
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: Like why did Rodert Strong shake Hook's hand after the match?
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: I don't get those things. They don't make sense to me,
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: and that's why I get frustrated with the show. Time.
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: The n ring work you can watch all day long.
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: But if you're constantly attacking somebody in jumping and being
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: really shade and underhanded and then you shake his hand
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: after the match, I don't get that stuff. It just
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: it boggles my mind. Shake his hand backstage with nobody's looking,
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: but otherwise roll out of the rings, slink to the back,
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: let Hook retire the FTW title to his dad. That
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: was a great little moment. Some of the stuff they
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: do just doesn't make sense to me, and then I
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: get frustrated. So Bell de Bell hardly any big and
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: touch aw, it's just the little stuff that I watched
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: that just drives me nuts.
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: So I will defend the Private Party Commander stuff because
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: there is an angle that led to that. Right, they
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: were attacked and then they took out Isaiah Cassidy's hand.
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: But I'm with you, is there not a bigger group,
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: maybe the Bang Bang Gang House of Black that they
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: could have gone to rather than Private Party and Commander.
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I get that there was a storyline there
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: at least, but Private Party hasn't won, has won like
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: what three matches in the last two years.
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: They're a great tack team.
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: They are fun tag team watch. I mean I've watched
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: them since they were in cz I saw them live
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: in CZW against Santana and Ortiz like eight years ago.
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: Like they're great talents. They just the book poorly. Commander's
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: been lost for like four months. I mean they have him. Hell,
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: they beat up Alex Abraham or Alex I can't pronounce. Yes,
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: they beat him up a couple weeks ago, and it's
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: like cool, I get you're trying to get revenge, but
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: you guys got the ever loving crap beat out of you,
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: and you're the ones who jumped the BCC before you
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: got beat up, So to come out to try to
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: run them off makes zero sense to me, because why
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: would the BCC be afraid of Private Party and commander
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: in that moment we just beat the crap out of
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: them after they jumped us. Yeah, it doesn't make sense
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: in that situation to have them come in for the
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: backup to Danielson. So it's the little stuff like that
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: that as a longtime wrestling fan just irks me that
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, in that moment, great, I get it.
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: I mean, and they're and they're you know, Private Party's
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: New York kids, so in you know, in Long Island,
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: I get the moment. But use House of Black, or
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: use somebody else that has a little bit of interaction
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: with BCC or has had some kind of rivalry at
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: times with them that maybe is higher on that pecking
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: order to make sense, and then have Private Party upset
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: BCC on Dynamite to get a little credibility too. Then
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: if you want to circle back to it, then it works.
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I wonder if that's like Tony complaining to the
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: hometown crowd, since Private Party is is the local crew
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: the roder Strong hook stuff. I'm I can totally understand
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: that based on the history of Aw's booking. I'm wondering
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: if that is the beginning of something rather than the
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: end of something. If that makes sense, Doctor Trey from
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: a storyline standpoint, is.
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: The Undisputed Kingdom finally broken up? I mean the knee entry,
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: Tavin and Bennett just lost in to Guevara and Rhodes.
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: It's just once again like you've been a shitty heel
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: for a year, You've been doing shitty things to Hook
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: and then you shake his hand after the match. Are
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: you just giving up on being shitty? Are you? Are
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: you mad that your wife's in a better spot right
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: now that you want.
• 59:17
  Speaker 2: I'm upset with Grand Slam where they dumped out of
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: Nigel saying thank you to Brian Danielson, which even on
• 59:25
  Speaker 2: I thought there was gonna be a replay of it
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: on social media, maybe on the YouTube. I have not
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: checked out the YouTube, but even on a replay on
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: social media, I saw that they dumped out of that.
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: So the person that with the dump button must have
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: thought he was saying fuck you to Brian Dad like
• 59:39
  Speaker 2: completely the whole point of that segment got dumped out.
• 59:43
  Speaker 2: I mean, that is awful. Thank god. The commentators like,
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: I can't you know he said thank you? I have
• 59:48
  Speaker 2: no idea if they even know it got dumped out.
• 59:51
  Speaker 2: That really sucked from that standpoint, but man Nigel could
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: still go that was really cool. The big thing here,
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: Doctor Trey, that I noticed, and this goes back to
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: a conversation on last week's show AW. Grand Slam's attendance
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 2: was significantly and noticeably down from previous editions of Grand Slam.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: In twenty twenty one, they had twenty thousand, one hundred
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 2: and seventy seven, which I believe is still it may
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 2: have been broke broken by the first dance when Sampunk
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: went on rampage. I still think that's like the one
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: of the highest attended television shows, if not the highest
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: television attended show for a dynamite collision, rampage whatever in
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 2: history of AW. In twenty twenty two, it dropt from
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 2: one hundred and seventy seven twenty one to twenty two.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: It was the thirteen thousand, eight hundred, so pretty strong.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: Last year eleven thousand. Even I guess there was no
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 2: eleven thousand and one or two. That's what the tracking
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 2: that I found this year. According to Russell Tics, on
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: X eight thousand, one hundred and ninety one attended a
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 2: Grand Slam, so it's been a drop of twelve thousand.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 2: Aw Grand Slam was always noticeably one of the highest
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: viewer shows attended by All Elite Wrestling, but it was
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 2: very easy to tell that they blacked out a lot
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: of that arena. They had the normal Dynamite set. They
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 2: didn't even have the set where it has like the
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 2: entrance way where it's also an LED screen, which they
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 2: would do for some big shows that they would do
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 2: for Dynamite. You know, go back to when Adam Cole
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 2: would jumped off the stage and broke his freaking ankle
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 2: and he's been out for an entire year. It was
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 2: just really noticeable that it was not the crowd that
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 2: we're accustomed to for that show, and that made me sad.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 2: I didn't take a victory lab for All Elait Wrestling.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: It just made me sad. And that's something I noticed
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 2: the entire time. I was like, Man, I wonder how
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 2: the show's got to come off and look, and it
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: was like, oh, man, this is there are some attendance concerns,
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 2: and eight thousand is still very strong for a show,
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 2: but man, when you were packing in twenty thousand people
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 2: three years years ago, thirteen thousand two years ago, eleven
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: thousand a year ago, it's like, Ugh, this decline is concerning.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: And I believe they sold like two thousand tickets over
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: the last week or so, so they were looking at
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 2: potentially six thousand people up until about a week ago,
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 2: Doctor Trey, Did you notice those attendants issues that I
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 2: pointed out as well?
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, and also just the energy from the
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: crowd hasn't been where it's been the last couple of years.
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: I mean even last year eleven thousand, the crowd seemed
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: pretty hot. This year, the crowd just kind of seemed like,
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: I don't want to say polite, but it's almost like
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: watching a tennis show in Arthur, Ash. It was like, yeah,
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: it was nice, Yeah, it was good. Yeah, it was
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: like it was almost like polite at times, but just
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: the energy wasn't there. And sometimes you can watch a
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: show and kind of get a vibe, not just from
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: the crowd, but from the performers as well as like
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: I don't want to say they were going through the motions,
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: but you don't feel that same energy on a dynamite
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: that maybe you did two years ago, three years ago,
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: Like it just isn't there right now, and and part
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: of that is that crowd energy is not there, so
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: that crowd makes you more amped up. Like look, I
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: I literally did a show Friday night. By by the
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: time we were in the main event, twenty five people
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: were left, but it was allowed twenty five people, so
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: we were amped up for it. And I've been in
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: shows where it's three hundred in a small venue and
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: they're just like sitting on their hands, and you're just like, man,
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: I just I don't feel the energy is hard to
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: get amped up for it, So you know, it does
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: kind of the energy does sell through television, and just
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: right now, it just kind of feels like, I don't know,
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: like they're treading water or they're not like somebody's like
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: just got diagnosed with a bad illness. Like it just
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: feels kind of eh and blaw at times. Like I said,
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: the matches are great, like Bell, the Bell is grave.
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: It's just the energy of the shows right now just
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: kind of feels blah across the board for AW.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 2: It's so inconsistent. There's no consistency from like year to year.
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 2: Here great stretch from March to going into All Out
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 2: in London and then All In was thrown together, and
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 2: I just feel like the last five weeks have been
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 2: kind of meh outside the Moxley stuff, So it's concerning.
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 2: It was very noticeable and I was hoping for a
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 2: bigger craft for AW. Grand Slam eight thousand still something
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 2: that's very, very good. But I want to go back
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 2: to those days where it was twenty thousand people packing
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 2: Arthur to Ashley for Grand Slam because that was a
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 2: really really fun show, great crowd, great energy, and overall
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 2: fun times for all lead wrestling. That'll do it for
• 1:04:37
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• 1:05:17
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  Speaker 1: last Friday, and of course Rocket City Championship Wrestling where
• 1:05:23
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• 1:05:26
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• 1:05:29
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• 1:05:32
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• 1:05:35
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• 1:05:57
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• 1:06:00
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