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Dr. Kent Hovind Debate Vs John Richards | Is There Evidence For Evolution · Brett Keane and Eve Show

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Alright, what would you like to hear?
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A couple of the things I was going to throw out there and if
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any non believers want to come in and try to talk about this
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would be great. One of the questions I would
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have for non believers and see what your opinion is on this
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Kenton's is it this is to the non believers, is it your belief
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that all matter, time, space, nature and eventually the
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singularity that would cause the great expansion of our universe
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did this without any form of intelligence?
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That was the first one. I think that was an easy.
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Right. Well, that is exactly what the
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textbooks teach. The textbooks teach there was a
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Big Bang. 13.772 billion years ago they changed the number all
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the time. But The Big Bang was where
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nothing exploded for no reason into nothing.
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There was no time, no space, no matter.
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That singularity, as they call it, had to contain all of the
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matter, all of the time, all of the space, all of the energy.
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What is the total energy in the universe?
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All the stars that they're burning, the sun's total energy.
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All that was in a dot. That is so stupid, but these
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people believe it. I notice that the atheists on
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YouTube seem to be very confused on what the science is actually
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teaching. Can I show you something real
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quick and get your opinion on it?
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You're gonna notice that, uh, one of these atheists.
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They're kind of mean and everything, but you'll recognize
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them right away. His view of The Big Bang is
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completely different than what the actual atheist scientists
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are saying. Here goes.
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But again, we didn't come from nothing, and no scientist
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believes that we ever came from absolutely nothing.
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The Big Bang is not something from nothing.
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Even when cosmologists talk about universe from essentially
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nothing, they don't mean absolute philosophical nothing.
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In fact, they don't think that an absolute nothing is even
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possible because every time they try to create a perfect vacuum,
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they notice the quantum fluctuations of subatomic
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particles popping in and out of existence where there shouldn't
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be anything. Yeah, as the idea that there
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could be literally nothing, which then from which something
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suddenly springs and it mean it is very hard to grasp it and and
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I certainly can't grasp it. Something from nothing, from
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literally nothing. And that's what really gets
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people. That's the one that's really
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counter to common sense and and they clearly misunderstand what
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you mean by nothing. So.
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Well, exactly it's. With absolutely nothing, that
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means, unlike the Cardinal said and unlike some people argue no
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particles. But not even empty space, no
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space whatsoever. No space whatsoever.
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And maybe even no laws governing that space and and maybe even no
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laws governing that space and. What did you say?
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Well, then, who did? What do you think about that
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pen? That is well put together.
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Thank you Sir. They do teach.
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I have a textbook collection here.
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Universe came into existence 4.14 billion years ago through
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an explosion from an infinitely dense point.
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What is an infinitely dense point?
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A dot that is infinitely dense. How tightly can you pack
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molecules together all the molecules that have to be in
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that infinitely dense point? I think the infinitely dense
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point is between their ears. That is exactly what they teach.
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What happened? They estimate the age of the
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universe is 13.772 with an uncertainty of 50 and 9,000,000
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years. Ohh OK.
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Most thinking people today think it's dumb to try to to worship
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time, space, energy and matter as gods that created an ordered
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universe and life. But the books teach there was a
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Big Bang of infinitely dense point, everything in a dot.
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What happened before The Big Bang?
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Scientific evidence against The Big Bang.
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The books are full of this. They will claim they don't teach
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this or say it, but well then get it out of the textbook.
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The kids are learning this propaganda and it's evil in my
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humble, totally unbiased opinion.
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How can they even claim that this is used?
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With the scientific method? There is no way to be able to
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observe anything like this, especially since they're
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claiming that this little pen dot blew up.
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How are you ever going to observe something like that?
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Well, that's just it. See.
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It's not. You can't observe it.
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It's not science. All of this is based upon the
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simple observation. The stars are giving a red
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shift, which means probably the stars are moving away.
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That's it. That's the evidence.
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I would say. OK, I would agree that the stars
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are probably moving away from each other.
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OK, but they called the Doppler effect.
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I've got plenty of slides on that.
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Let me open that one up here. When?
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Doppler if you're standing by a train track and you the train is
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coming toward you, it squeezes the sound wave together and
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gives it a higher pitch. If it's a leaving going past
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you, it stretches the sound out, sound waves out and gives a
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lower pitch. So the train comes toward you
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and you get it. When it goes by, called the
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Doppler effect. OK, let's see, Red Shift is the
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sun shrinking. My seminar, part seven.
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I talk about this. Let's see.
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No, no Red Sea crossing. What causes the red shift?
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I've got so many slides in here, brother, but I would say I
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agree. There appears to be a red shift
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everywhere we look. OK, so if there's a red, she'd
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like to get something to drink because you do seem very tired.
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I no, I'll be fine, brother. I got water right here.
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We have well water. But I tell people if you drink
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well water, it makes your babies be born naked.
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But. There we go.
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How do we see stars billions of light years away?
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Alright, let me get some slides up here.
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The Bible says God made the earth and then he made the
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stars. He made the stars after the
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earth with the Bible said. But we observe and get the
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slides up here because I'm a visual learner.
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Let's see. Bible dates add up to
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approximately 4000 BC for the for the age of the universe that
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created 6000 years ago. So we look at the stars and we
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see them giving what's called a red shift.
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I got slides coming on here. Right.
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It indicates that Galaxy is the universe is probably expanding.
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Let's see. Starlight.
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Right. If someone else is giving their
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evidence for evolution, I'm able to get to this and call it up on
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time. While they're giving their
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evidence, let's see manage star formation.
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There we go, cosmic down, there we go.
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So we look at the university where telescope and we see
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through a spectroscope and we see the stars give a red shift
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on video #7, right? Coming.
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Sorry about that. We got somebody that's wanting
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to come in that I don't know, I'm gonna put something up on
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the screen in case they try to put some Ding Dong or something
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nasty just to protect myself. If they act up, they go bye bye,
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let's put up. Here's something Albert Einstein
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quote just to block the screen for a moment.
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Amen. The more I study science, the
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more I believe in God. That's right.
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So, Mr. Storm junior, are you cool?
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Uh yeah. I came in before I was the guy
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the you know the young guy but from before that was talking I'm
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a also in the chat I'm a click me for COVID truth ohh I wanted
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I just wanted to be in with the the Doctor Dino you know so I
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won't really say much that's all I wanted to I just wanted to be
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extremely positive things about Kent.
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I've seen a lot of your comments.
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You're good man. Yeah, some.
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Sometimes I get a little angry at some of the people, but I
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don't cuss or anything. I just kind of get bad.
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But. There's nobody here, first of
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all. And second of all, I can't hope
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it's here. So I'm going to be a little
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calmer even if there were people here.
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And if they're, if the atheist ever shows up who was supposed
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to debate him, then I'll leave, right?
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It's fair enough. Fair enough.
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What do you got for us, Kent? But it's here for us.
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I thought he was going to ask a question.
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Did you want to ask a question, Mr. Phoenix or Mr. Prince?
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I did have only one question for Kent Hogan.
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Noticed it that, uh, in your last Bible study you were
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talking about different words like the word will in a first
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Timothy Chapter 6, like something about those that will
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to be rich. And then you said that it it
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meant those who desire to be rich.
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The work well means desire. Do you think that it would be
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alright if I were to use your Bible studies to try to make a
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study Bible of my own and put it on the Internet for free?
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Well, you're certainly welcome to do my Bible studies on
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Internet, on the Internet for free.
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That you're welcome to do all that.
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I've been through quite a few books of the Bible over the last
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6 1/2 years. I guess I've been here been
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through. I can go back and look at
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Genesis and Nehemiah and quite a few.
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You're welcome. I love somebody to put it all
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together. Yeah, into a one.
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I don't have time. One coherent platform.
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We have some. Sandra, why don't we sell the
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Bible study on just what else do we show.
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Bible study. You sell, I believe, the Daniel
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1 Daniel no Janet. The Genesis, the only one we
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have is the Genesis 1, so. Which is based on Daniel
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Revelations. OK, so yeah, go go, go for it.
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Can't believe I can't find my slides on the red shift.
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There we go. Gotta be getting close.
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I got about 60,000 slides now, so it kind of helps if people
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ask the question in the same order that I have the answer
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that would help. So why do you think it is?
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I I noticed that this is a problem whenever you've gotten
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into debates with atheists. They don't like to talk about
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the universe and the way it's arranged in order for their
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variables to work with evolution.
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They don't like cosmological evolution.
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You seem to notice a pattern with that.
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Well, the idea that time, space and matter can coming to
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existence by themselves from nothing for no reason.
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It sounds stupid because it is stupid.
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Now for us to say God created it is technically not a scientific
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answer. I understand that, but they
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don't have a scientific answer either.
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They have just so I believe as SpongeBob imagination.
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Just imagine all the matter in the dot.
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You know SpongeBob it's it's not science and but they want to
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claim it as science and they want all of us to pay for their
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religion to be taught. That's why I always say
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evolution is a religion. It's something they believe in
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very strongly. I well, yay, congratulations.
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I have a religion I believe in very strongly also.
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But they should stop calling evolution science.
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It has nothing to do with science.
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Something they believe in nobody's ever seen.
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Nothing. Produce something nobody's ever
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seen. Life come from non living
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material. Hold on one second.
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Damn, do we gotta link up on our channel telling about this one?
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But one we're done. I gotta download it and all, but
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we should have at least a note on our channel saying go here.
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Yeah, yeah, OK. A lot of people are waiting on
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me on my channel and wondering where, where are they?
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I don't know. Well, so yeah, evolution is
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something they believe in, which is fine, but they should admit
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it's a faith. It's a religious belief.
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It is not science. Go ahead.
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I have a question for Ken if if he doesn't mind.
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Anything so like multiverse like atheists will say, well we don't
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believe that everything came from the little dot but it was
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just expanding from a multiverse or infinite universes and it
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just this universe popped into existence from a from infinite
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other universes. So do you think that is any any
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more tenable to you do you think that's just as ridiculous and
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how would you respond to that? You couldn't prove it right or
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wrong. Neither could they.
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It's a it's it's a belief. If I said my drawer beside me
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has, you know, 5 leprechauns in it.
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You can believe anything you want, and but this idea of a
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multiverse is just is. Again, it's not science, it's a
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it's a religious belief, even if it's true.
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Science deals with what we can observe, study and test and
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demonstrate. You cannot demonstrate The Big
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Bang. You cannot demonstrate the
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origin of the universe from nothing.
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You you can believe it. I believe God made it.
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I can't prove that. That's not science.
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I understand it's the most logical answer.
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If you're walking through the woods and you find an Arrowhead
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laying on the ground, it is completely logical to believe
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somebody made it. If you're walking through the
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woods and you find an ink pen laying on the ground, is even
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more logical. To say this was designed by
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somebody. Somebody made this.
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I don't know who did it. I don't know where I don't win,
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but somebody made it. That's perfectly logical.
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Now could I prove. Scientifically, maybe on the on
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the ink pen I could, but on the Arrowhead I don't know if I can
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prove that scientifically or not.
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It's just the only logical answer that God had to make the
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world. I agree.
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Good answer. There's no way to observe how
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our universe got here any more than it is to make the claim
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that other universes exist. But I'm open minded.
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But he's right. It's a belief, nothing more.
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There's no way to be able to back it up.
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Hello, Miss Parker. I hope you're doing well.
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I've been meaning to send you my book with autograph, but I don't
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know where to send it to. I know I could change your box.
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Thank you very much. I'm on baby watch and we are
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bringing the number 3 into this world grand beating #3, so I'm
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super excited about. That I'm just waiting on the
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calls. We can head over to the hospital
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to go see my. Little dude and I saw this and I
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wanted to stop and say hello to Kent.
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I grew up. On younger creationists, I grew
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up listening to a lot of camp material and I remember.
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Parker, your mics cutting out? You heard something?
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Yeah. It's going like that.
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I can barely. I heard something about a
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beautiful baby coming into the world.
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I heard something about. Yeah.
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Coming in? Yeah, Grandpa coming in.
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You might wanna reload. Hold on one second.
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Yeah, it's real garbled. I can't understand it either.
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Is that? Better.
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I heard that part that looked better.
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Is that a little better? Is that better?
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It's garbally. You sound great on your own
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videos. I don't know what the deal is.
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She's gonna reload. So no word from John Richards,
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huh? Is he over in England?
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Is that what you said, Brett? Yeah.
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He said it was going to be late for him.
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He might have had the same thing that happened, Kent.
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He might have, you know, listened to my voice or a couple
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videos and just went. Yeah.
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I had to actually work today. It was awful.
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I heard about people that have to work.
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Ohh no. We had a tire company called us
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to donate a whole bunch of used old tires that we can use for
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stop the erosion on the side of our hill.
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Well the guy started throwing him off the truck and they were
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rolling on into the lake. So I was down there trying to
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catch him and knock him. I was running back and forth,
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back and forth, back and forth. And for an old man, that's.
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I can move pretty quick, couldn't know for yeah.
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But it wore me out. So anyway, I listened to a
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little bit of John Richards. Was he he he wanted to have a
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discussion, not a debate, if I understand.
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And he believes in evolution. Is that what you were saying?
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Yeah, yeah. He claims to be a retired
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scientist and all that. Claims that he's been in many
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different fields. And I suggested to him that he
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might enjoy a discussion with you.
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And when I said Ken Tobin, he went really, you know, kid.
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And I got all excited about that.
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And but apparently he crashed out or something.
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That's sad. That's sad.
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Miss Parker, you want to try your mic again?
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I'd love to hear what you have to say.
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I would love to try my mic again.
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I'm hoping it's better. You sound great.
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In fact, I wanted to come on to say hello to Mr. Kent Hoven and
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as Brett likes to call him Mr. Kent Hovind.
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Very fancy. Yeah, it's very fancy.
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Mainly because when I grew up, I don't know if it's OK to call
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you can't, or if you want me to call you Doctor.
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Dino, I don't know. I'm going to do Doctor.
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I get called lots of things on the Internet.
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Pick, pick, pick, whatever you like.
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Let's not go down that road. But yeah, so I grew up doing the
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young Earth creationist thing. Well, it was.
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It was brought to me when I was younger.
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And I remember those, those quintessential teachings.
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I remember your name. I remember I believe you guys
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had a homeschool edition kind of school workbook that was out
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there, and I ended up getting one.
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And I'm, I'm no longer a younger creationist.
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I am no longer a Christian. But, and I'm not here to fight
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about the Christianity, I promise not.
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This is not me trying to, like, pick a debate with you or
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anything. I was just wondering when you
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first started. Your ministry.
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How did you know what? How how did you know that that
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was what you wanted to do? That that's more my question.
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Like, we everybody knows your life.
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Everybody. We all did.
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Your life is all over the freaking world.
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But I want to what brought you to young Earth creationists?
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Like, how did you find out? That this is what needed to be
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done. Well, as I have 16, I became a
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Christian, gave my heart to the Lord, and I started going to
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church reading my Bible frantically, and I was majoring
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in science and math in high school and ended up teaching
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that 15 year. My dad was an engineer, my
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oldest brother was an engineer, my mother was a public school
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teacher, my second brother, older brother was a public
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school teacher. And I was reading the Bible and
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I really, the Bible says everything was made in six days.
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Everything. But what I'm learning in school
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is dinosaurs live. Millions of years ago, I said
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somebody is wrong. I don't know who it is yet, but
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somebody's wrong. And so it became, it became a
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passion of mine really from age 16 on, to try to figure out
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who's right. And it mattered to me greatly.
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Jesus said clearly that the creation of Adam was the
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beginning. I'll pull up the verse for you.
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Here we go. Matthew 19 four, slide #251,
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DVD, slide number 251. This is probably one of the
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verses that really got to me. Jesus answered and said to them.
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Have you not read he which made them at the beginning?
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Made them male and female, referring to Adam and Eve?
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It was very similar version Mark Chapter 10 from the beginning of
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the creation God made them male and female so.
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The Bible teaches that that was the beginning of the creation,
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and the Bible says clearly in Romans Chapter 5 that death came
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because of sin. Evolution says death.
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Happened for billions of years before man ever got here.
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But the Bible says very clearly in First Corinthians 15 by man
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came death. So the question is very simple.
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Did man bring death and suffering into this world like
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the Bible says? Or did death and suffering bring
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man into the world? Somebody's wrong.
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OK, I don't think there's a question.
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Somebody's wrong. Maybe they're both wrong, but
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certainly one of them is wrong. And that began a lifetime study
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of mine. Who is right on this topic?
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Is Jesus lying? Is he stupid?
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Didn't he, you know? Because the evolution theory
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cannot be compromised or blended with what the Bible says it
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cannot be. Jesus said the beginning was
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when God made Adam and Eve, and in the 10 Commandments it says
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in six days the Lord made heaven and Earth, the sea and all that
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in them is. So I said, wait a minute, Adam's
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the first man. Bible says Eve is the mother of
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all living. Nothing died till Adam sinned.
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We all came from Adam and Eve. And you add up the dates.
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Adam was 130 when his son was born and hit boy was 105 when
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his son was born. And you know, you can pick the
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numbers right off the page Genesis 5 and make a chart,
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which I did early in my Christian life.
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I said we have modified it and improved it since then quite a
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few times. But I remember the chart.
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I do remember that chart growing up and that that's where my
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question. OK.
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So. And again, I'm not here to
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debate who's right and who's wrong.
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I honestly am. I'm excited to be able to talk
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to you because like I said, I have read a lot of your
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literature growing up, and it was part of my formative years.
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So. So the chart when we when you
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break down the chart, that's one of those things that kind of
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blew my mind because as a kid I would go to school and and like
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you said you would hear one thing.
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And then when I went home I I'm, I'm a young earth creationist.
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So there was this constant battle for me back and forth.
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Trying to figure out, OK, who's telling me the truth.
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I remember this chart because I actually took it to school one
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day and was. They confiscated the chart, but
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my question is how? How do you?
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I guess the same question my teacher asked me back then.
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How how do you how did you get here?
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How how did you get to this number?
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Was pretty much how I was laughed out of class.
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So that's what that's what I would ask you.
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How how did you get to that number?
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And is is there a way for me independently to find it myself?
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Like if I wanted to go back and find that number, how do I find
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it? Well, when people ask me.
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About the age of the earth, I say, well, there's a biblical
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answer and there's a scientific answer.
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OK, the Bible says could not be more clear.
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Genesis 5. Read it for yourself.
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Adam lived 130 years and begat a son and called his name Seth.
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Seth lived 105 years and begat Enos.
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Enos lived 90. The dates are all right there.
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You can pluck them off the page. Genesis 5 gives all the numbers
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on the left half of the chart. Could not be more clear.
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The vertical line up and down is the flood.
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Let's see. I can get my hand over to it.
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Right here on my picture, right up here, is the flood.
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OK, after the flood, you go to Genesis Chapter 11 and it gives
22:44
you more dates. How old, how long did they live
22:47
and how, you know, before they had children and stuff like
22:49
that. So we can get biblical dates
22:51
clearly right up to the time of Joseph.
22:53
He's the last guy on the bottom of the chart here, backwards.
22:58
Right there. Get backwards all the time on my
23:00
show to you anyway. And I think everybody agrees.
23:02
Joseph was one of the vice Pharaohs of Egypt and he had a
23:06
different name and they forget his Egyptian name now.
23:09
But people have done secular history from the time of Egypt
23:12
on it comes to approximately 4000 BC for the creation of
23:16
Adam. That's what the dates add up to.
23:19
Many thousands of people have come to the same conclusion
23:23
within a few 100 years of this number from based on the
23:26
biblical dates and then secular history say, OK, they may not
23:30
believe it, but they they agree. That is what the book says the
23:32
book teaches about 4000 BC was the creation.
23:36
I don't think we can put an exact date on.
23:37
Let's give it ± 20 years maybe, OK.
23:41
So by looking at the Bible saying nothing died till man
23:44
sinned. Which makes more sense to me,
23:47
that God, the God that I worship, made a perfect world
23:50
and we wrecked it. Rather than say, God made death
23:54
and suffering bring man into the world.
23:56
Evolution is a religion of horrible death and suffering for
24:00
billions of years. Millions of animals have to die
24:03
and suffer for us to evolve slowly to become, you know,
24:05
where we are today. That's not the God that I would
24:08
want to worship. My God made it right, made it
24:10
perfect, and we wrecked it. I think a lot of car
24:13
manufacturers make really nice cars.
24:14
They send them out there and somebody wrecks them.
24:17
Not the cars, not the manufacturer's fault.
24:19
It's the drivers fault, usually so.
24:22
Oh, sorry. Go ahead, Kent.
24:24
Well, the textbook today, you know, it happened billions of
24:26
years ago. So somebody's wrong.
24:30
And you said a young Earth creation.
24:31
I guess I don't like that term. 6000 is not young.
24:35
That's a long time. And you can explain everything.
24:38
You know another term to use that I don't know what other
24:41
term to use for it is. Is there a more accurate term
24:44
now? Because I apologize.
24:45
Yeah, I don't. I don't know if younger statism
24:48
is old. Dated because I'm old.
24:49
I'm sorry if it's outdated. I'm a biblical creationist.
24:54
The Bible teaches 6000 years ago.
24:56
God made everything 44. 100 years ago, there was a flood
25:00
that destroyed the world. The flood explains everything we
25:03
see on the world today, all of the layers that we see.
25:06
I keep this thing on my desk. All you do is flip it over and
25:10
it starts making a whole bunch of layers every time in minutes,
25:14
the textbooks will tell you. Yeah.
25:18
Um, do you know when the Pyramids of Giza were built?
25:24
The pyramids in Egypt the Egyptians were famous at
25:28
exaggerating their numbers of how long they're you know King
25:31
George was king for 2,000,000 years.
25:33
So I don't I think it's most people are studied the pyramids
25:35
will say obviously they they greatly ought they honored their
25:38
Pharaohs they built huge buildings to bury them in.
25:41
So the Egyptian dates I think have been well proven to be
25:44
exaggerated but the pyramid my theory would be probably the
25:50
great pyramid not all of the what's going is called the Great
25:53
Pyramid might have been. But before the flood of Noah and
25:57
it would have survived the flood, what would a flood do to
25:59
a pyramid? Get it wet.
26:02
So how can you have fossil remains buried below the
26:07
pyramids? If there is layers of strata
26:11
below the pyramid then I would think it would have to be flood
26:15
flood related and the pyramid built on top.
26:18
I I suspect somebody getting off in Egypt you know said wow I
26:22
want to be buried in one of those make me one for.
26:24
But all the Great Pyramid is very different than all the
26:27
other pyramids. The Great Pyramid never had a
26:29
chief. The chief cornerstone was
26:31
rejected by the builders. It was never put in place.
26:34
I have quite a bit of material I don't have a complete answer on
26:38
on that one all FO. But I'm video #7 of my series
26:42
which you can get for 50 bucks and the Parker said she watched
26:46
that. But video series #7 is is 5
26:48
hours long. Just that one video about the
26:51
Great Pyramids videos are so long.
26:55
Gold line. I want short ones.
26:59
Can you can you get someone at the at the dinosaur land to make
27:04
short ones? Well, explain how to build like
27:08
20 minutes. Explain how to build a car in 30
27:11
seconds. A chassis, a catalytic
27:14
converter, some wheels and some paint.
27:17
Boom. There you go.
27:18
You got it? Yeah, yeah, yeah let's see.
27:21
Here you go. The Great Pyramid right here.
27:26
But yeah it's a great mystery to me.
27:28
I would love to know who built the Great Pyramid.
27:30
Adam and the pre flood world didn't have a Bible.
27:34
It was being written so I think God may have given them the
27:36
whole gospel story in stone. And the Great Pyramid is a is a
27:40
really interesting study if you look at it from that perspective
27:43
you got if you walk into the main entrance, which they didn't
27:47
find until 800 years ago or 1000 years ago, you walk into the
27:51
entrance, you take the Broadway down to the pit, or you can
27:54
choose the narrow way up to the Kings chamber.
27:57
If you go take the narrow way to the King's chamber, you go up
28:00
153 stones, 153 steps, another interesting number from the
28:05
Bible and. The Great Pyramid has enough
28:09
stone to build a 10 foot high brick wall all the way around
28:11
Texas. Some of the stones weigh 70
28:13
tons. The top is 455 feet high on the
28:18
50th row of stones is the King's chamber.
28:22
Well 50 in the Bible is the year of Jubilee.
28:24
So one of the theories is that there was built before the
28:26
flood. Or would it pyramid get, what
28:29
would it do to the flood due to a pyramid?
28:31
Just get it wet and that would dry out again.
28:32
So it seems that the no was in the ark for a year.
28:35
But the flood flood flood didn't last a year.
28:38
In some spots it might have. I thought some of it still
28:41
flooded today. The Pacific Ocean is pretty big
28:43
and that's all still flooded. But so I think that parts of the
28:46
earth might have only been underwater for a few weeks long
28:49
enough to drown everybody. So I don't have a I don't preach
28:52
dogmatically what it was, but I suspect the Great Pyramid was
28:55
built pre flood, all the rest of them are post flood.
28:58
And the Egyptians greatly exaggerated their numbers and so
29:01
I think they fit perfectly fine into the biblical history of
29:04
6000 years ago Earth and then 4400 years ago a flood.
29:08
And everything can be explained. The evolution is keep saying
29:11
that the layers, the layers of the earth are different ages.
29:14
Yeah, I've I've LinkedIn the side chat.
29:17
In the private side chat, the link to a page and it says
29:20
pyramids packed with fossil shells.
29:23
Many of Egypt's most famous monuments, such as the Sphinx
29:28
and Keops Pyramid thing at Giza, contain hundreds of thousands of
29:32
marine fossils. According to a new study, most
29:37
of the fossils are intact and preserved in the monument walls,
29:40
giving clues to how the monuments were built.
29:45
I'm not following everything you're saying here.
29:47
There are hundreds of thousands of marine fossils.
29:50
Under the pyramids? Is that what you're saying?
29:52
No, they they used these. Ohh it's gone.
29:56
Yes, they use these these stones to build actually the the
30:01
pyramids. So right, marine fossils are
30:06
found worldwide. Petrified clams like the one I'm
30:11
holding in my hand, petrified clams in the closed position.
30:15
Meaning it had to be buried quickly and buried alive.
30:18
They find these on top of Mount Everest.
30:21
Now I don't think, I don't think that water was over Mount
30:24
Everest. I think Mount Everest was under
30:27
the water, which is very different.
30:29
The Bible says at the end of the flood, the mountains rose up,
30:32
the valley sank down. The water would run off into the
30:35
hole. Depending on how deeply, how
30:36
quickly it, the earth crust tilt.
30:39
Sections of the Earth's crust would tilt.
30:41
It's they're still cracked up like an eggshell.
30:43
So if the earth is covered in water and one piece lifts up
30:47
someplace else goes down, you're going to get mountain ranges
30:50
that follow the coastline. Which is exactly what we see.
30:54
The Rocky Mountains follow the Pacific.
30:56
The Andes Appalachian Mountains follow the North Atlantic.
31:00
The Andes mountains follow the South Pacific.
31:02
The general trend is for mountain ranges to follow the
31:06
coastlines. I think it's because a chunk of
31:08
earth the size of, you know, 1000 miles across tilted, and
31:12
then the water would run off. How fast it tilted determines
31:14
how fast it runs off and how deep the canyons are and how
31:16
rugged the mountains are. The Bible says in second Peter
31:19
the Scoffers are ignorant of the creation.
31:22
And the flood? I don't see anything.
31:24
Can't be explained. Petrified clams on top of Mount
31:27
Everest. Which is millions of them is.
31:30
It's easy for me to explain. There was a flood at the end of
31:33
the flood, or during the last part of the flood, or maybe even
31:36
100 years after the flood, the mountains lifted up.
31:39
The Himalaya Mountains are still coming up today.
31:42
They're getting called. Disputing or putting in doubt
31:46
that Noah's flood and worldwide actually happened, what I have
31:51
problem with yet to to to really come to a conclusion is that
31:56
there are diverging timelines between the Septuagint Old
32:00
Testament, the Greek version and the Masoretic Text and it is a
32:07
discrepancy of about 650 years. I don't know if you have seen
32:13
there is a video on YouTube which is.
32:14
Planes that they can put it here in the side chat you can look it
32:18
up and if you actually take the septon giant and that timetable
32:24
then it makes actually sense. And and then you can put the
32:28
pyramids at 2004 450 BC as it is commonly acknowledged that is
32:36
the age of the pyramids and it was fluid flood would be at
32:40
about 3300 BC and then you would have.
32:45
Actually timeline which would make sense.
32:48
Well, I'd be willing to look at any evidence somebody has for
32:50
that. But I think those who study
32:52
Egyptology are generally agree there's gross exaggerations.
32:57
There's also times where two people were pharaoh at the same
33:00
time, Egypt had civil war split in half and they both counted
33:04
their their time as king or pharaoh, but they put them in
33:07
chronological order instead of they should be running parallel
33:10
like we had a civil war in America.
33:12
Should we count, you know, both North and South?
33:15
Should the the time of those presidencies be end to end or
33:18
parallel? So the Egyptians, there's a lot
33:21
of things to understand about the Egyptian king list.
33:24
I've got stuff on it right here someplace.
33:27
Maybe not, no. There's a guy named Corville did
33:30
a lot of research back in the 50s on the Egyptians.
33:33
He wrote a book called The Evolution Cruncher.
33:35
Great Big book of leaves to seller.
33:38
We still have that, Sandra. OK, but it's an excellent book.
33:42
He's got a whole chapter in there on Egyptology and the
33:44
exaggerations that they went through, either exaggerating
33:46
their time or a Co region. Sometimes Dad is still king, but
33:50
his son is also counting that time he's king, and then when
33:53
dad dies he takes over and king by himself so it's overlapping
33:57
reigns. Most, you know, hundreds of
34:01
years at the most hundreds or maybe 1000 years.
34:03
Not, certainly not, not not billions of years, right?
34:07
So these minor discrepancies I I would stick with the biblical
34:10
date of the flood being about 2400 BC, 4400 years ago.
34:14
I see no reason to reject that from any scientific evidence
34:17
we've seen. Well, if you take the Masoretic
34:20
Timeline, then actually Noah would would have lived until the
34:28
pyramids of Giza were built. Correct.
34:31
No one probably. Noah probably knew about the
34:33
pyramids being built. I don't know.
34:37
Yeah, I've put the link in the side chat.
34:40
Doctor doctor Hovind. I missed.
34:44
Parker's been asking in private chat if she would be able to ask
34:48
some questions as well, if that would be OK.
34:51
But before we do that, I was curious.
34:54
Can what do you think of this? Since we don't have our atheist
34:57
in the room like we wanted, maybe we should show a short
35:01
thing of the alternative view and see if it makes sense to
35:04
people. Are we ready?
35:04
Here we go. Check this out.
35:06
Can't. You're going to love it.
35:07
Fish. Human beings are still fish.
35:09
Human beings are fish. Why yes, of course they are.
35:12
How long did that take? A couple of billions of years.
35:14
Millions of 1,000,000. How does that observable?
35:18
It's not. Do you believe we all came from
35:19
sponges? Dave, do you believe this
35:21
textbook is right? Yes.
35:22
But my 200,000,000 great grandfather was a fish.
35:26
And by the way, the same fish was your 200,000,000 great
35:30
grandfather. But all African apes.
35:32
We're apes with a shave. Yeah.
35:34
Yeah, exactly right. Yes.
35:36
So if I'm out in the woods, I'm full on wolf.
35:39
Like, if I'm with close friends, what's the problem?
35:42
Yeah. What are you doing when you're
35:43
out there? So we're running around.
35:45
We do kind of play it as wolves, like on all fours at times, yes.
35:49
Sometimes. We're two way good making wolf.
35:52
Local stuff, but here's something I might do when I'm
35:55
out there as follows a howl, sure.
36:06
There's the alternative, Ken. I did have a question about
36:12
evolution. Now again, totally we don't have
36:16
to. I'm not trying to fight with
36:18
anybody at all. I'm just asking the question
36:20
because I am genuinely curious. When when Doctor can't hold then
36:25
talks about evolution. There are several types of
36:30
evolution that Doctor Hogan talks about.
36:32
There is a planetary evolution, star evolution, there's animal
36:39
evolution there. There's a bunch of them.
36:41
And and then I remember I I've spoken to some to some secular
36:45
scientists and they say well that's not how you use the word
36:49
evolution. So can can you help me to
36:52
understand how the word is being.
36:54
Is what we're talking about here?
36:56
Because that's something else I've always ran into trouble
36:59
with, not only understanding growing up, but trying to now
37:03
apply that in conversation. Well, the the word evolution
37:07
means an unrolling. OK, there's people have argued
37:10
about the original meaning of the word and all that stuff.
37:12
It doesn't matter to me. You're right that there's many
37:16
different meanings to the word I I break it up into six different
37:19
categories and I have slides for that, which I cover quite often
37:22
on my seminar series I'm trying to find right now seminar part
37:26
one, which is really cool and and I always it's just, I guess
37:30
I'm confused like. Can we?
37:33
Can can you really call star development a type of evolution?
37:40
Well, they certainly do in the textbooks, which is my
37:43
objection. We're paying for all this to be
37:45
taught to the kids. They talk about stellar
37:47
evolution. The stars would have to evolve
37:50
first. You'd have to have what we call
37:52
cosmic evolution, the origin of time, space, matter.
37:55
And I can't believe I can't find it right now out of my 60,000
37:58
slides. But cosmic evolution is the
38:01
origin of time, space and matter.
38:03
Where did time might come from? Where did space come from?
38:06
Where did matter come from? So you have to have time, space
38:09
and matter come into existence. So they have you.
38:12
It's not, it's not fair to talk to say that there are 167
38:15
species of ducks and there are OK.
38:18
Therefore, because we see these varieties of ducks, that proves
38:21
everything's related. No, it doesn't.
38:23
It proves maybe the Ducks are related, but that's it.
38:27
There are 250 breeds of cows. OK, they might have had a common
38:31
ancestor called a cow. What we see it's very I I think
38:35
you said something very interesting resorting to cosmic
38:38
evolution. And this is interesting because
38:41
in order to have stable atoms, you need the four fundamental
38:45
forces just right. And what happens?
38:48
Supposedly, if you take The Big Bang theory, everything started
38:51
with the unified force right at the beginning, which was there
38:55
at Singularity, and then it evolved or split into these four
39:00
fundamental forces. Now The thing is there.
39:03
Plus, no, they're they're reading replication or something
39:06
in the sort which time by small adaptations came to a functional
39:11
outcome which would permit stable atoms.
39:14
Now if you if you take that it happened naturally.
39:17
How is it possible that these four fundamental forces got just
39:22
right in order to have stable atoms, which then are the
39:26
prerequisite to have molecules and then life?
39:30
And this is a big problem for naturalism.
39:33
Because there was no natural selection, neither in physics
39:37
nor in biochemistry, where you also require natural selection
39:41
for the basic building blocks of life.
39:44
You have just theoretically natural selection in biology,
39:47
which presupposes DNA in life starting.
39:50
So you have big problems there. That's right, it'd be like
39:55
having to win the lottery a trillion times in a row in order
39:58
for this to work. And I remember there's a case
40:02
with there was a case that happened really, really close to
40:05
getting creationism taught in schools alongside with
40:10
evolution, and that ended up getting shot down.
40:13
Are there going to be more attempts to get that back into
40:17
in front of a judge? And if so, could you spill the
40:20
tea? Well, yeah, the Dover case, they
40:26
said we want in Dover, PA they said we want equal time
40:29
creation, evolution. And the court ruled no, this
40:33
would be sponsoring a religious belief to be taught in a
40:37
classroom. And they're probably correct.
40:39
But they did not even examine was.
40:40
Isn't evolution sponsoring a religious belief?
40:44
Yeah, nobody has any leeway on that front.
40:47
Is there any legal headway kind of getting towards thinking that
40:51
evolution is also a religion, or how how do we get to that point?
40:57
Could be cases like, look, I don't want my kid taught that
40:59
somebody, I don't have kids in public school, but if you if I
41:01
did I would probably say look, I don't want them taught this if
41:05
they were teaching your kids in public school that all
41:07
everything in the universe came from a fish.
41:10
Out of the Nile River, come on in science class.
41:14
They should teach science. Science is what we know, what we
41:18
observe. We know cows produce cows.
41:20
We do not know cows. And I think you need to be
41:23
careful. You cannot put just and say
41:25
evolution. I mean evolution can be
41:28
adaptation or small changes which are actually observed.
41:32
It is empirical. There is no dispute.
41:35
Even creationists like I guess doctor Hovind me, we all agree
41:40
on that. That these adaptations occur and
41:42
they are even necessary for life to start.
41:45
Life needs to be able to adapt to the environment.
41:48
But when it comes to the quest, how did biodiversity emerge?
41:52
And then it's the the claim of the Tree of Life and common
41:56
ancestry that is the big dispute here.
41:59
Can we the entire biodiversity explained by evolutionary
42:05
mechanisms and I would say if someone looks at the molecular
42:09
level then the evidence. Doesn't lead to that direction.
42:13
That unguided non intelligent mechanism suffice to explain
42:17
biodiversity. We have more layers of
42:20
complexity besides genetics and special epigenetics.
42:24
We have 45 different epigenetic codes and languages which are
42:29
working in operating in the development of multicellular
42:34
organisms. These also need to be set up.
42:37
These also need to come about. How do we explain this?
42:41
And that's where evolutionary theory actually fails.
42:44
And when you study it and you see that there is
42:48
interdependence there, where all these different languages and
42:52
signalling networks work in interdependent fashion together.
42:57
And that's something which you cannot explain by a gradual
43:01
evolutionary manner, just over time, without the input of
43:06
intelligence. I was gonna let you know.
43:09
It looks like free thoughts has was apparently asleep and he
43:13
woke up. Did I tell you my voice?
43:15
It cures insomnia. Hey, Brett, can I ask one more
43:20
question of the Doctor of the good doctor Hooven?
43:24
I have. I have a question.
43:26
OK, so when I was growing up, I told you I grew up very.
43:30
I was very, very religious. All that fun stuff.
43:32
I was told that the government has no control over who I am
43:38
because I am of. God.
43:39
So I do not have to like if if they want me to go to war or if
43:43
they want me to do something that's outside of what God has
43:47
already ordained for me, then I don't have to obey that.
43:51
Is that a true summation? As a Christian, do I have to
43:55
obey the government or do I need to obey the laws of Caesar?
43:59
Because I have both of those arguments and I'm not entirely
44:02
sure which one is the most viable.
44:05
Well, this has been a a question people have argued and fought
44:08
wars. Over for centuries, you know,
44:10
our Revolutionary War was over this question, you know, King
44:13
George, do you have authority to tell us what to do over here in
44:16
America? Yeah, I do.
44:18
They said no, we don't. And so they fought over it.
44:20
And so it it amounts to really the vast difference in theology
44:24
and in your philosophy of life. On your property, if I came to
44:31
your house and said I want to tear this house down, you would
44:35
say no. Yeah, it's not your house.
44:37
You have rights on your property.
44:40
Do you own this property now? If the state buys property and
44:43
builds highways on their property, they have a right to
44:46
say don't go faster than this speed on this road or we will
44:50
find you. If you don't like that, don't
44:52
drive on our Rd. because that Rd. belongs.
44:58
You can't. Your mic has went quiet.
45:01
You cut your mic. Don't do that to me, bro.
45:03
We are in a jazz here. You you were getting on to the
45:08
highway. If you speed get off my highway.
45:11
That's what his battery went out.
45:12
He's gonna switch it real quick. Still can't hear you can't.
45:16
Sorry. You gotta fix that something.
45:18
Yeah. Goodness.
45:22
He may need to read those plaguing questions I've had
45:24
because I if I talk to certain people, they're like, no, you
45:27
have to. You have to obey the laws of
45:30
Caesar. And then you have other people
45:31
who will say, whoa, no, if Caesar's telling you to do
45:36
something that's against God, then you shouldn't do it at all.
45:39
And I guess I'm just wondering, and I'll take the question from
45:42
any of you guys if you want to take a whack at it.
45:43
But it is a genuine question, so I'm totally here to listen.
45:47
No. What was that, Mister Tenglo?
45:50
What was that quote from Jesus given to Caesar what is
45:53
Caesar's? But give unto God was God.
45:56
So I I think as long as the laws of man do not supersede God,
46:01
then there should be any kind of issue.
46:03
But it's obvious in the state of the way our world is, there's a
46:06
lot of things that are going way against the concept of God.
46:10
If you don't mind me asking, Miss Parker, what is your I
46:13
always ask people this, what is your theological position and
46:16
political disposition? I don't know my political
46:19
disposition yet. I'm gonna take a a political
46:24
test to see where I side. I'm gonna do that live on my
46:27
channel cause I honestly have no idea.
46:30
I've never. I've never done politics to
46:34
really think about it, but from what people tell me, apparently
46:37
I'm a Lib, so that's a bad thing.
46:39
I think. Apparently it's used as an
46:42
insult, so I'm going to cook it. I think that there's
46:47
conservatives, independents as well as liberals.
46:50
Everybody's got a couple good ideas and everything, but
46:53
everybody's also got some really bad ones, too.
46:55
And I'm even saying that about my side of the aisle.
46:58
Yeah, that's kind of where I'm at.
46:59
Like, I don't know if I can pick and choose exactly who I side
47:03
with 100% of the time, but, you know, I like good ideas, and I
47:07
argue about ideas now when it comes to my religious belief or
47:12
lack thereof. Can Brent, you know that?
47:16
An atheist. I'm a very nice atheist.
47:20
I'm not. I don't wanna argue or be
47:22
argumentative. I try not to make people.
47:27
You'll I I don't want anyone to be upset by that but I know once
47:31
I say it it's like so cats out of the bag folks I just don't I
47:37
don't want listen if can't comes in here and wax me it's your
47:41
fault Brent. I will blame you.
47:46
Why are you? Why are you native?
47:49
There we go. I am still looking for that
47:52
information that makes me feel as confident as you guys feel
47:56
with your choice. I haven't found that yet.
47:58
I am still searching. I'm still looking.
48:01
That's why I'm here talking to one of the people again that I
48:05
remember learning from as a child.
48:06
So. So are you then an agnostic?
48:10
She she is atheist. She just said that at the moment
48:14
ago. Miss Parker, you mind if I ask
48:16
you a question real quick? Right ahead sweetie.
48:19
Now you used to be a Christian, so you know that the belief is
48:22
that God created 2 blueprinted humans that would continue to
48:27
reproduce and make families. But evolution?
48:30
How would you, how would you suggest that?
48:33
How would you suggest that man and woman came into existence
48:36
through evolution? Well, that's the thing.
48:38
I don't know you. You know, like I've told you I
48:40
didn't. I've never went to college for
48:42
those things. I'm not.
48:43
I'm not a biologist. I'm literally just a housewife
48:46
who has a platform online that gives me an opportunity to ask
48:49
those questions. Now, when I have talked to some,
48:53
as you guys call them, evolutionist, you know, when I
48:55
have talked to them, they explained to me that there are
48:59
changes in the allele forms of the DNA.
49:02
And over a long course of time you will see those changes turn
49:07
into speciation. And that speciation is what we
49:10
see as a different species. But it's the exact same thing as
49:14
saying that, well, a dog gives birth to a dog because they do,
49:18
because you can't escape your clade.
49:21
And so it it to me what it sounds like to me is like I'm
49:24
hearing the same story. It's just it's getting jumbled a
49:29
little on both sides. So I'm still very confused on
49:32
it. Like I said, I want to know.
49:33
I would like to leave this plane of existence knowing as much as
49:37
I can, so. Yeah, I get confused.
49:40
Easy. I don't, I don't know how to
49:41
answer that question. I really don't.
49:43
I'm sorry. I wish I was a little more
49:45
articulate on that, but I just, I don't have, I don't have the
49:48
words. Don't be so hard on yourself.
49:51
You're doing just fine. Can't let your views.
49:55
Well, I think everybody would agree.
49:57
We all see variations. Every farmer in the history of
50:01
the world will tell you you can get a lot of varieties.
50:04
And whatever you're raising, there are now 500 varieties of
50:08
chickens. OK, they might have had a common
50:11
ancestor called a chicken. That's all we've ever observed.
50:15
There are 339 recognized breeds of dogs.
50:19
There are 4000 recognized varieties of potatoes in the
50:23
world. They might have had a common
50:25
ancestor called a potato. That does not prove dogs and
50:28
potatoes have a common ancestor. So these family trees that they
50:32
make are pure imagination. We see varieties happen and it
50:37
stops. The variations have limits.
50:40
Sometimes parents have children that are taller than others.
50:43
No question. Do you think anybody will ever
50:46
have a child that grows to be 85,000 feet tall?
50:49
No, there's a limit in there. What is that limit?
50:52
I don't know, 8 feet? There been some 8 footers on the
50:54
world. Robert wadlow.
50:55
Sure, maybe we can get a 10 footer one day, but I don't
50:58
think we're going to get 1000 foot tall child ever.
51:01
There's, there's there's limits to the dogs.
51:03
They now have the toy Chihuahua. Completely useless, OK?
51:09
Will they? Will they ever get a dog as
51:11
small as a flea? No, there's a limit.
51:15
There are animals as small as a flea, like a flea, you know.
51:17
But we don't know there are limits.
51:19
Sure, changes happen within limits.
51:22
That's what the evolution is refuses to understand how.
51:26
How then? OK, so so there are eukaryotes
51:29
like OK, so the word eukaryote is the word that gets tossed
51:32
around a lot. And I have like OK, what in the
51:34
what in the F and A is a eukaryote.
51:36
And I promise, Brent, I am not going to cuss.
51:38
I usually have a really bad potty mouth, but I am going to
51:40
be the best tonight, OK. I promise.
51:45
Are you carry out is simply any creature or life form that the
51:49
cells. Your body probably has 100
51:52
trillion cells. In the cell there's a nucleus
51:57
that contains the information. That's the computer, that's the
52:00
brains of that cell. That is made-up of 46
52:03
chromosomes. That's where the information is
52:06
stored. That's your hard drive, those
52:07
chromosomes, they're incredibly complicated.
52:10
That nucleus inside that cell has a membrane around it to
52:14
protect it. Now it's a eukaryote.
52:16
It's just a name they give for any animal made out of cells.
52:19
Where the nucleus is combined is in in wrapped in a membrane.
52:24
Some of them. This information is floating
52:26
freely in the cell rather than in a nucleus.
52:28
That's all it means. So in their in their mind, they
52:31
think all the animals that have a nucleus that is wrapped in a
52:35
membrane or eukaryote must be related.
52:37
I would say no. Maybe they all had a common
52:39
designer and that's a good way to do it.
52:42
That's like saying anything that is not a, you know, all the all
52:45
the cars that have a roof on them have to be related.
52:49
No, it's a good way to make a car put a roof on it.
52:52
So could it. OK, so it's also been explained
52:54
to me that like, OK, so like evolution is just a tool that
53:01
God used to make everything happen.
53:04
So evolution is real and it is exactly what we think it is, but
53:08
God just used that as a tool to kind of usher in all this
53:14
speciation. Could that also be a possibility
53:17
in the situation, or is that something that is just kind of
53:20
muddying the water? Well, that would be accusing God
53:23
of being pretty cruel and mean and, you know, causing lots of
53:26
death and suffering. Because evolution leads straight
53:28
into the idea of Adolf Hitler or the Civil War.
53:32
Racism. If if the variations happen,
53:35
which ones get to survive all? The superior race?
53:39
Charlie Darwin's book The Origin of Species by means of natural
53:42
selection or the preservation of favored races.
53:45
So the idea that one color of skin is more superior to other
53:49
colors of skin is what started our civil war.
53:52
Adolf Hitler believed that he thought some race was superior.
53:57
In his mind he had a chart that he went by.
53:59
The blonde haired, blue eyed were the superior race.
54:02
They're the ones that are the the most advanced.
54:04
That's what Hitler thought. And we should really kill
54:06
everybody else off to to make the human humanity better.
54:11
He was all these people. The biggest killers in history
54:15
killed people because of their belief.
54:16
They believe in the survival of the fittest to kill anybody who
54:19
disagrees. So that's a good chart.
54:21
I like that one, Brett. So the idea that man has
54:27
evolved, I would not blame God for that.
54:29
I think God created the genetic code of every life form to be
54:34
able to produce a variety. I think the pine trees can
54:37
produce some babies that will survive on.
54:41
Of everything that me, pine trees produce some babies that
54:44
survive in sandy soil. And some produce babies that
54:48
produce that survive better in wet soil, swampy soil.
54:53
So there's now 113 or 115 different varieties of pine
54:56
trees. They might have a common
54:59
ancestor called a pine tree. That, that's it.
55:02
That that's, that's that's micro evolution or variation within
55:05
the kind, but that's not really evolution like they talk about
55:08
in the textbook. I saw.
55:10
I saw Jonathan there for a minute.
55:13
Yes, it's getting exciting. I don't want to take too much of
55:15
your guys this time because I feel like he probably has way
55:18
more educated conversation prepared.
55:22
Well, let you hang out, Miss Parker.
55:24
Enjoy having him. I did want to ask one more
55:26
question and and this is a little bit more personal.
55:31
I've. I can't.
55:32
So this is my Christian, my Christian brain and heart
55:36
talking to you right now, OK. I still suffer from hell dreams.
55:41
I have these dreams where I wake up and I see, you know the the
55:46
rapture is happening and there's Hellfire and there's all of
55:49
these things happening. I fear one of my greatest fears
55:52
still to this day is making the wrong mistake.
55:55
My grandmother told me once if you believe in your soul this is
55:59
the most important decision. You can ever make how do I
56:03
determine that I have made the right decision?
56:09
Well, there's only two choices. There is a God or there isn't.
56:15
Nobody's thought of a third choice.
56:16
OK, there is a God or there isn't.
56:18
If there's a God who created all of this, then is it logical that
56:23
he would leave behind a book and tell us what he did and what he
56:26
wants and. What are the rules?
56:28
I mean, if you walk into a walk into a city and find fully
56:31
functioning city, well, who built this?
56:33
Who? Who owns it?
56:34
What's the rules? What do I have to do to live
56:36
here? You probably live in a House of
56:38
some kind or an apartment. I bet whoever owns that house
56:41
has some rules. No drugs on this property, for
56:44
example, would be a common one. And so I got if God owns the
56:48
world, then he makes the rules. And to me, it's logical that he
56:50
would write a book and preserve the book.
56:53
If your city passes a law that says the speed limit is going to
56:56
be 50 miles an hour on this road, they now have to do three
56:59
things. Number one, they got to publish
57:01
the law. Let everybody know, hey on, you
57:03
know, last Thursday night the Council voted to pass a law.
57:06
And here's the new law. They got to publish it.
57:09
It's not fair to start giving out tickets if you nobody can
57:11
know the law. It's a secret.
57:13
Law has to be published. Then they gotta post it, put up
57:15
a sign, speed limit 50. Then they gotta preserve it.
57:18
If somebody knocks the sign down, boy, they're out there now
57:21
putting up another one because they want to preserve the sign
57:23
the the the law. So God, I think if there's a
57:26
God, he's obligated to publish what does he want and to post it
57:29
someplace and to preserve it. And I happen to believe, after
57:33
years of studying on this topic, he has preserved the Bible for
57:35
us. Exactly what he wants us to
57:37
know. At least for the English people
57:38
and the King James version. I've not been able to find a
57:41
mistake. I know you didn't have to do
57:44
that because I'm like a nobody or whatever, but I really do
57:46
appreciate you taking my questions.
57:47
I'm gonna. I'm gonna meet my mic because I
57:49
have a feeling. John.
57:51
Hi, John. How are you doing?
57:52
I'm gonna hello. I'm.
57:54
I'm. I'm awake.
57:55
That's the best I can say. Good to see you there, John.
58:00
I, I was telling Kent earlier that I'm the cure for insomnia.
58:04
I just put everybody's sleep. Here's what it is.
58:08
So John, I I try to what I what I try to do is put some
58:12
questions out there to get a conversation rolling and just
58:16
get everybody excited. John, before we do that though,
58:20
can you plug your channel, talk a little bit about what you're
58:23
about some of your credentials and also can't, don't really
58:28
need to do this. Because everybody loves you
58:30
anyway, but you should promote a dinosaur land in your your
58:34
YouTube channel. OK.
58:36
Thank you. Well, greetings.
58:39
It is nearly two gone 2:00 AM here.
58:44
And and you're right, it is 27th, Wednesday the 27th.
58:49
But, you know, I had a couple glasses of wine and a beer and I
58:53
fell asleep. So it's you're lucky that I
58:58
popped awake. I wouldn't call insomnia, you
59:00
know, it's it's it's it's probably age as much as anything
59:04
that makes me wake up occasionally in the middle of
59:06
the night. Anyway, you're lucky you're.
59:08
I am if you call that lucky. So I feel very fortunate that
59:13
all of you are here, including Miss Parker.
59:17
It's nice to meet you guys, but As for who I am and what I do,
59:23
well, I'm a retired science teacher who can't stop.
59:27
And so I've discovered YouTube. I've got a channel.
59:30
I've been doing it now for several or two or more years.
59:35
I can't remember. I began doing this when I was
59:39
the publications Director of Atheist Alliance International.
59:43
And since then I've moved on. I'm now the President of Atheism
59:48
UK, and it's my channel. I mean, these organizations also
59:54
have their channel Atheist, Atheist, Alliance International,
59:58
pardon my sleepy head and Atheism UK, and they have their
1:00:03
own channels, and I appear on on them variously.
1:00:08
But I have my own personal channel, which is called
1:00:10
Freethought Productions. And what I do on there is I I
1:00:15
make at least three shows every week and that's some of my
1:00:19
stuff. Thank you, Brett and.
1:00:24
One of my shows is called Global Atheist News.
1:00:27
It's where I feature the the news which doesn't normally get
1:00:32
shown on the mainstream news channels.
1:00:34
This is the news that's specifically of a religious
1:00:38
origin. OK, so it's what what atheist
1:00:43
global Atheist News does is report on events in the
1:00:48
preceding week that have happened.
1:00:54
According to a religious purpose inspiration, and and have had an
1:01:01
impact on humanity. Got me feeling back.
1:01:05
Can I hear echoing? Yeah, you might have turned your
1:01:08
microphone away from your speakers a little bit because
1:01:10
you haven't kind of, yeah, feedback.
1:01:14
Have a headset. It would really help to cut it
1:01:16
all out. I don't have a headset slip.
1:01:18
I don't normally need one because I use a Mac that you
1:01:22
just switch it on and everything works.
1:01:28
Well, you could go in the settings and click something
1:01:30
called echo cancellation and that'll fix it for you.
1:01:34
I'll have it within the app itself, you can do that.
1:01:39
While you're doing that, whenever somebody else is
1:01:41
speaking, just mute the mic. I'll.
1:01:43
I'll do it for you. Just look at the bottom and
1:01:46
you'll see where you can do that at.
1:01:48
Alright. Mr. Hogan, would you like to
1:01:50
promote Parker? If you'd like to have the kind,
1:01:54
you can promote your channel as well.
1:01:55
I definitely do not need to promote my channel on your
1:01:58
channel. I am not.
1:02:00
These are respectable men. These are professionals.
1:02:02
I am trash TV. So don't worry about me.
1:02:07
So much humility, yeah. Alright Kent, anytime you're
1:02:14
ready Sir. OK.
1:02:17
Yes, OK. Yeah.
1:02:19
I don't believe in leprechauns. I have a channel called No
1:02:21
leprechaun dot US. I don't know why you want to go
1:02:25
on a whole campaign but for not believing in something.
1:02:27
I don't understand the atheists, why they would want to promote,
1:02:30
why they don't believe in something.
1:02:31
I don't believe in leprechauns. So it's I think it's obvious
1:02:34
because of their intense desire to try to get other people to
1:02:38
not believe like them, that there's more to it than just
1:02:40
simply not believing in God. I think it's obvious.
1:02:43
I think there had to be a designer.
1:02:45
There had to be a designer for this ink pen.
1:02:48
A simple screw, a nut, a bolt, a nail.
1:02:51
Everything has the most complex machine.
1:02:54
And the entire universe is the human body.
1:02:58
More complex than all the space shuttles and all the fancy
1:03:03
machines in the in the universe and they want to think nobody
1:03:06
designed it. That is just a level of
1:03:08
stupidity that I can't comprehend.
1:03:10
How can you possibly if I said I want you to explain how this
1:03:14
came to be, but you cannot use man as your answer.
1:03:18
Well, I've already taken off the logical answer by my premise.
1:03:23
And the atheists want to say we have to explain how the universe
1:03:26
got here, but we can't use God as our answer.
1:03:29
I there's no, there's no way to explain the universe.
1:03:31
Within the universe you have to go outside.
1:03:34
Somebody who is outside of time, space matter created time, space
1:03:38
matter. I don't have a problem believing
1:03:40
that now. I don't force everybody else to
1:03:42
believe like I believe, but. I believe God made the world.
1:03:48
I believe God wrote a book that told us how he did it.
1:03:50
I believe the Bible is scientifically accurate.
1:03:52
I think there was a worldwide flood that made all the layers
1:03:55
that we see in the world, the atheists, they're their Bible is
1:03:58
the geologic column, which does not exist anywhere.
1:04:01
You cannot find any place where all the layers of the earth, all
1:04:04
the layers are the same age. They say the top layer is
1:04:07
younger. I see.
1:04:08
Where did it come from? Outer space.
1:04:10
What do you mean the top layer is younger?
1:04:11
We shake this thing up and make a bunch of layers all the time.
1:04:14
All the layers are the same age. They're all in at the same time.
1:04:18
If you shuffle the deck of cards, is the top card younger?
1:04:22
No, the whole the geologic column does not exist anywhere.
1:04:26
It's logically stupid to believe that the layers are different
1:04:30
ages and there's no such thing as a fossil record.
1:04:33
There's a lot of fossils in the ground, trillions and trillions
1:04:36
of them, but it's not a record. None of them have a date stamped
1:04:40
out of them. None of them can talk.
1:04:42
There's not a fossil record. There are fossil.
1:04:45
There's not a geologic column. There are layers to the earth,
1:04:48
and they're just as easy to explain by hydrologic sorting as
1:04:52
by any of the the idea that the layers are different ages is
1:04:55
simply not true baloney. So the the premise that
1:04:59
evolution is built on is. That there's no nobody designed
1:05:05
it. Nobody designed this ink pen.
1:05:06
That's their premise. Nobody designed this amazing
1:05:09
human body. That's so ridiculous in my book
1:05:12
1 cell in your body, one cell is more complex than the whole
1:05:17
country of England. Go ahead.
1:05:20
I'm sorry. Alright, let me throw out some
1:05:22
questions. See what you guys do with it.
1:05:25
We'll let Mr. Richards respond first.
1:05:28
The first question is, is it your belief that all matter,
1:05:32
time, space, nature, and eventually the singularity that
1:05:36
would create the great expansion of our universe did this without
1:05:41
any form of intelligence? You first, Mr. Richards.
1:05:45
Well, first of all, I want to. Can you hear me now?
1:05:48
Yeah. Yeah, good.
1:05:50
I've checked my my echo cancellation button.
1:05:54
It was always on, as it as it always is.
1:05:57
So I don't know why it was echoing.
1:05:59
It doesn't seem to be now, so that's good.
1:06:02
So I've just been swamped with a tirade of nonsense I'm afraid.
1:06:07
And before I get into your question, I want to blow back on
1:06:10
that. So.
1:06:14
Um Kent. You said that you don't
1:06:19
understand why. Atheists have channels.
1:06:26
Because if we don't believe in a God, why would we have a channel
1:06:29
about it? That's a very good question.
1:06:34
And it you could apply that reasoning to.
1:06:38
Your claim that atheists do bad things for no God, because of
1:06:43
course, that's also nonsense. Nobody would want to please no
1:06:48
God by their actions. So what you've just done there
1:06:54
is undermined the common theistic claim that these
1:06:59
theists do something because they don't believe in your God.
1:07:04
Because it doesn't make sense. And OK, putting out that mean
1:07:10
contributes nothing to the conversation, because that's
1:07:13
just the claim. And Stalin didn't do the
1:07:18
atrocities that he committed because of no God anymore than
1:07:22
anyone did. There is no reason to try and
1:07:27
believe. Try and please.
1:07:31
An agent that you don't believe in.
1:07:34
Yeah, yeah. I've seen all these meetings.
1:07:37
Take them down and let me address the issue here, please,
1:07:41
OK? And then can't you went on with
1:07:46
fluency afterwards. You mentioned the use the
1:07:49
fallacy of the personal incredulity when you said that
1:07:55
everything's complex, therefore it would have been confirmed.
1:08:01
Is that echo me again? Yeah, unfortunately, folks, we
1:08:06
got to kind of mute our mics when every one person's talking,
1:08:09
then we're gonna get that awesome feedback.
1:08:11
Feedback's awesome with the guitar though, you know?
1:08:15
Well, Brett, can we do one topic at a time?
1:08:17
We're going to have five things going here, which is, if you'd
1:08:21
like to talk about atheism and doing bad things and, you know,
1:08:24
Stalin, etcetera, let's finish that topic before we go on to
1:08:27
another one, shall we talk about morality of atheism, objective
1:08:32
morality? Is that what we want to talk
1:08:34
about? Whatever job you would like, but
1:08:38
I would like to do one topic at a time.
1:08:39
Whichever topic it is, just pick one.
1:08:42
I was trying to address the the outpouring of error,
1:08:49
misconception, misunderstanding after each other that you came
1:08:53
up with Kent a few minutes ago. Well, let me ask you.
1:08:58
Let me ask you a simple question then.
1:09:00
How do you tell right from wrong?
1:09:05
Right from wrong is a judgment call based on the incident
1:09:10
individually based on the it's a contingency matter.
1:09:15
There is no absolute right or wrong.
1:09:21
Any, any act, even murder. Can be assessed evaluated as
1:09:29
being right depending on the occasion.
1:09:32
I mean, if somebody is threatening to kill your child,
1:09:36
it's right to kill them to prevent that happening.
1:09:40
And you can't have. A.
1:09:43
An absolute. Uh.
1:09:48
Predetermined rule about any action or almost any action.
1:09:54
And. So we determined right from
1:09:58
wrong by the way it affects others.
1:10:01
You know if it causes harm to others needlessly.
1:10:06
It's wrong. Well, you just gave an absolute.
1:10:11
You just said if someone tries to kill your child, it's OK to
1:10:14
kill them. Are you absolutely sure that
1:10:17
that is absolute? Well, I can justify that on
1:10:22
biological grounds because, OK, we we are evolved to as a
1:10:29
species to succeed and we've done very well.
1:10:32
There's 9 billion of us. We've populated almost the
1:10:37
entire planet and anywhere that's habitable except perhaps
1:10:40
the dead of the sea. We've even managed to set foot
1:10:44
outside of our planet and have an International Space Station.
1:10:48
And we've briefly visited the moon.
1:10:51
So we are a successful species in terms of population size and
1:10:57
conquering of potential habitats.
1:11:00
Now the reason we've got there and done that is because we're a
1:11:03
social and cooperative species and killing, needlessly killing
1:11:11
other members of our own species is obviously counter to that
1:11:17
principle. Now, I'm not saying that it's
1:11:22
always wrong to kill. If you've got somebody who is
1:11:27
terminally ill, it might be the right thing to do.
1:11:32
We have that in in Europe. I don't know whether you do in
1:11:35
the states, but we have. Just the dying.
1:11:40
It started in Switzerland and it's spreading to other parts of
1:11:44
Europe. And it's a merciful thing to do
1:11:48
if somebody is in. In, you know, incurable and
1:11:55
horrendous pain, it's right. But as a general dressing for an
1:12:01
absolute general principle, we want to grow the population, not
1:12:08
diminish it. OK, so if I have children that
1:12:13
are starving and hungry, and you have lots of food, is it OK for
1:12:16
me to kill you? To get your food to feed my
1:12:19
children? After all, you're older.
1:12:20
Your life's about done. I want to feed the younger
1:12:23
generation. What would be wrong with that?
1:12:24
My point would be where's your standard for right and wrong?
1:12:28
OK, OK, good question. It's alright for you to get my
1:12:33
food if you, particularly if I agree with remember, the
1:12:37
operative word here is cooperation.
1:12:39
OK, it's not all right for you to kill me and steal my food,
1:12:44
because you're going to lose my cooperation if you do that.
1:12:47
But if you ask me for my food and point to the starving
1:12:50
children, I'm going to give it to you because that's the humane
1:12:54
thing to do to help grow our population.
1:12:58
That's the principle. OK, so if the Queen says you are
1:13:03
working, earning money, you're going to have to give X number
1:13:07
percent of your income so that a queen can decide how to feed
1:13:10
these other people who don't have food.
1:13:12
And if you don't agree with that, we're going to put you in
1:13:14
jail, which is what all taxation is.
1:13:17
It's forced cooperation. It's not voluntary, it's forced
1:13:21
on you. You have to cooperate to do
1:13:23
these projects. So you have a standard in
1:13:26
England, they're on the metric standard over there.
1:13:28
So you, you have a standard this.
1:13:30
This is a centimeter. OK, go ahead, hold, hold.
1:13:34
Don't go into one of your rents again, which opens up so many
1:13:38
rabbit holes. Let me, let me set you right on
1:13:41
a couple of things. First of all, the Queen has no
1:13:45
power. It's a weird American
1:13:49
misunderstanding that you think were ruled by a queen those days
1:13:54
ended at least 500 years ago. Right now, taxation, that's a
1:14:01
completely separate issue and we've agreed to it.
1:14:05
We've signed up to it because we voted in a government that told
1:14:11
us it was going to do that. So this is not the same issue.
1:14:17
What you're doing is muddying the water.
1:14:22
But I wanted to finish promoting my channel because we had an
1:14:26
echo problem and I had to go mute it so.
1:14:32
News is my weekly show on reporting on the way religion
1:14:37
has impacted humanity in the preceding week.
1:14:41
OK, that goes out on a Saturday. Following that there is free
1:14:45
thought power, which is a chat show.
1:14:49
It's an interview between me and sometimes it's an academic,
1:14:53
sometimes it's a non academic but interesting person a lot of
1:14:57
the time. These people have a history.
1:15:00
Many of them are Americans and they've had a history of being
1:15:04
raised in a religion. It doesn't happen so much here.
1:15:07
We don't raise our children. Very few of us raise our
1:15:10
children in a religion in the UK or in Europe.
1:15:14
In general. That's a peculiar American
1:15:17
thing. And so there's a lot of people
1:15:19
in your country who are buried in religion, in their family as
1:15:27
young children, and then they many of them have to clamber
1:15:30
their way out of this bomb and. Come to the realization that
1:15:37
it's nonsense and that leaves them mentally.
1:15:41
Difficult. And he will tell you he's been
1:15:44
in and out of this hole. So he he knows how difficult it
1:15:47
is to deconstruct. Anyway, I talk to people who've
1:15:51
been on that journey quite a lot.
1:15:53
The third show that I do is called Global Atheist News
1:15:58
review, and unlike the news itself.
1:16:03
Impartial report of events. This is a a panel expressing
1:16:12
their views on the news. So here we have opinionated
1:16:17
people looking back at the items that came up in the in the
1:16:20
actual news day before and saying what they think about.
1:16:24
And those are the three shows that I do every week.
1:16:28
But I also winning. That's like this here on the
1:16:33
Atheism UK podcast and various other things.
1:16:36
I'm quite a busy guy, but why do I do it?
1:16:39
Let's get back to that. Yeah, I don't do it.
1:16:42
Please, no. God.
1:16:48
What I do it for is to help people who escape from the
1:16:55
problem that they were inducted into as Children.
1:17:00
And I'm a I'm an experience teacher, so I do it to help
1:17:05
people understand how everything really works, not by.
1:17:12
Issuing edicts, but like actual observable processes.
1:17:19
OK, I finished doing my product, my promote promotion.
1:17:24
OK, which which of your fallacies would you like me to
1:17:28
address? The fallacy of incredulity,
1:17:32
personal incredulity? Which in which you say this is
1:17:36
complicated, therefore, my God. Well, I think everybody would
1:17:44
agree that complex things, so nobody's ever observed them come
1:17:49
into existence on their own. Nobody's ever observed in even a
1:17:53
simple ink pen coming into existence.
1:17:56
OK, we got that. You did your ink pen thing
1:17:58
earlier, right? Can you explain how this came to
1:18:04
be without using man as your answer?
1:18:07
Well, that's a ridiculous request because we know how that
1:18:13
came to be it. It's man-made.
1:18:17
Very good. So very good.
1:18:19
So explain. Explain how?
1:18:21
Our single cell. Came to be a single cell more
1:18:26
complex than the space station. How did it come to be without
1:18:31
having a designer? OK, well here's the answer.
1:18:36
You're not gonna like it, but this is it.
1:18:39
We don't know. Then why do we teach it to the
1:18:45
kids in school? Like that's part of science.
1:18:48
We don't teach it to kids at school.
1:18:52
What we teach is evolution. Now.
1:18:55
Evolution is not. Please listen to this.
1:18:59
It's important. It's not an explanation for the
1:19:04
origin of life. What evolution is, is an
1:19:09
explanation for the diversity of life.
1:19:14
OK. We don't yet have.
1:19:18
An explanation for the origin of life where working on it.
1:19:23
Be patient. OK, may I say something?
1:19:27
I don't understand why non believers continue to say that a
1:19:31
Biogenesis or spontaneous generation has nothing to do
1:19:34
with evolution and the very definition of a Biogenesis, the
1:19:39
original evolution of life or living organisms from inorganic
1:19:44
or inanimate substances. So I mean that's exactly the
1:19:49
definition. Do you have the perfect face for
1:19:53
Radio, Brett? Is that why you dark camera?
1:19:57
What is this? Well, that's me.
1:20:03
OK. And I don't know.
1:20:07
That doesn't matter to me if he's in the dark.
1:20:09
The textbooks do teach in my country.
1:20:12
Certainly that life started from nonliving material.
1:20:16
The theory of organic evolution. Right here on screen.
1:20:20
Golifescience.com a new theory of organic evolution.
1:20:25
Nature.com theories of organic evolution, how life got started.
1:20:31
They are teaching this at taxpayer expense, and they're
1:20:34
not including. The idea there might have been a
1:20:37
designer. Do it.
1:20:38
OK, OK, OK, let me address that. Don't go into one of your ranks,
1:20:42
OK? One point at a time.
1:20:46
What those textbooks are saying is not that this is established
1:20:50
fact. They're saying that this is a
1:20:54
speculation. There's.
1:20:58
A number of ways that life could possibly have begun on this
1:21:02
planet. One of them is God done it your
1:21:06
idea OK another one is called panspermia and that is that it
1:21:11
came in as. Organic molecules from outer
1:21:16
space, which sort of seeded the process here on planet Earth.
1:21:20
Another one is, yeah, a Biogenesis.
1:21:23
That it. That inorganic matter gradually
1:21:28
became more complex in certain circumstances.
1:21:31
There's the the hot geeses under the middle of the ocean Ridge,
1:21:35
you know, or there's the the warm pools that evaporate there,
1:21:41
and various different but these are not known facts.
1:21:45
These are scientific speculation, and we haven't
1:21:49
ruled out creationism. We can't rule it out.
1:21:53
It's in there as one of the potential potential explanations
1:21:58
for how life began. Is it scientific?
1:22:04
Should it be included in a science that we don't have we
1:22:07
ever observed? Molecules come together and form
1:22:11
a living cell. It's outside the realm of
1:22:14
science. Why do we touch this?
1:22:17
OK, don't go off. These scientific that's a very
1:22:22
good question. Is it scientific to speculate?
1:22:27
What are you saying? That scientists are not allowed
1:22:30
to have blue sky guesses as to what the potential explanations
1:22:35
might be? What are you saying?
1:22:37
Are you saying that every word that comes out of a scientist's
1:22:40
mouth must be an established truth?
1:22:45
It's unreasonable, isn't it? Perfectly fine, perfectly fine
1:22:49
to speculate. Transpermia only postpones the
1:22:52
problem. Life started somewhere else and
1:22:55
got transported here. That's still not answering.
1:22:57
How did life get started? Well, I'm sorry.
1:23:01
I'm sorry for you. But you'll have to come to terms
1:23:04
with the fact that, as I said earlier, we just don't know.
1:23:10
Be patient. Science isn't finished yet.
1:23:14
You were still researching. It might happen in my lifetime.
1:23:18
It might happen in yours. Or it might not happen.
1:23:20
We might not get the answer in in the lifetime of even young
1:23:24
the Parker. Hello, Parker.
1:23:26
Man, so I can't. Like you said, it's a religion.
1:23:29
We have to have faith that it'll adjust it.
1:23:31
So no, no, no, no, no, no. That's nonsense.
1:23:35
It's not a religion. What you have to understand here
1:23:39
is the difference between belief and evidence.
1:23:44
I wanted to ask you some questions.
1:23:48
And I've, I've made notes of them in a document.
1:23:52
Give me a minute, I'll pull it up.
1:23:54
Well, John, we can do some questions, but there is
1:23:56
something that we have to kind of set up here.
1:24:00
I've noticed that when Kent starts talking, you kind of jump
1:24:03
right in there and over him immediately.
1:24:06
Can you let him finish his statement and then you go?
1:24:11
Me finish my statement yesterday, right?
1:24:14
Tell you. I'll tell you why I did there,
1:24:16
Richards. One at a time, please.
1:24:18
I'm just saying. Yeah.
1:24:20
Tell you why I do that. It's because Kent uses a
1:24:26
technique called Gish Galloping. What he does is he piles fallacy
1:24:32
upon misconception upon mistake upon misunderstanding in the
1:24:37
whole rigmarole. And you, you are mine.
1:24:41
Because John, just because you don't like his view or ideology
1:24:46
does not give you the right to just keep cutting them off.
1:24:49
Let's have a respectful conversation.
1:24:52
I'm trying to. I'm trying.
1:24:54
I'm trying to have a respectful interaction with Kent, but he's
1:24:58
got to let me address each of his points at a time.
1:25:03
Not just me, not just for me with a load of nonsense, but
1:25:07
I've gotta try and pick out one or two to react to.
1:25:12
I have. I knew Duane Gish that they
1:25:14
called the Gish gallop. It's the atheist that do this
1:25:18
continually, the Gish gallop. They're the ones who want to
1:25:21
bring up 10 points like you just did.
1:25:23
You said, well, there are several theories of how we got
1:25:25
here. There's transpermia block, you
1:25:27
stop transfer me is just the same problem as I think one
1:25:31
topic at a time. It's not an answer.
1:25:33
It's not a scientific answer. It's not an answer.
1:25:37
If you remember, one of the first things I said in response
1:25:41
to this particular issue was we don't know.
1:25:46
We haven't got an answer and we're honest and honourable to
1:25:51
admit that we don't know. We can speculate.
1:25:56
But the textbooks, the answer hasn't arrived yet.
1:26:00
Slide number 456. OK, the textbooks teach we do
1:26:05
know mammals and reptiles and frogs and starfish had a common
1:26:10
ancestor. This is the stuff they're
1:26:12
teaching. You don't know that we know.
1:26:15
Like this textbook. Do you know that animals, fungi
1:26:19
and plants came from bacteria? Richards, he's doing it again.
1:26:25
Simple. A simple question.
1:26:27
These charts, the textbooks do show all life forms coming from
1:26:31
a common ancestor. They're teaching this all the
1:26:35
many forms of life on Earth are descended from a common
1:26:38
ancestor. This is what the books are
1:26:41
saying. I disagree.
1:26:42
That's not science. That's a religion.
1:26:45
We know there's 300 kinds of dogs.
1:26:48
We do not know that dogs and mosquitoes are related.
1:26:51
You guys teach it like it's a fact.
1:26:53
Dogs and mosquitoes have a common ancestor.
1:26:55
You don't know such a thing. But they teach it like that, and
1:26:59
we're all paying for that Glencoe biology on the shelf
1:27:02
here. This is for 50 years now, the
1:27:05
evolution religion. It gets exclusive coverage in
1:27:08
the books. Go start a private school and
1:27:10
teach it to those who want to pay and come learn it.
1:27:13
Yes, they do teach evolution, including the origin of life and
1:27:17
the diversity of life from one common ancestor.
1:27:20
Here it is in front of your face.
1:27:22
From a primitive unicellular Organism.
1:27:25
Is that science to say that is or is that a religious belief?
1:27:30
He stopped. I can speak.
1:27:32
Hooray. You made your point in the very
1:27:37
first sentence that you said. Kent and then you went on to on
1:27:43
and on and on remaking it when the red cards.
1:27:48
Watch. I I don't understand why you're
1:27:50
acting like this. Kent was being nothing but
1:27:53
respectful to you. You were doing fine the last
1:27:56
discussion we had, but you're being very, very inconsiderate.
1:27:59
Please work on it. Composure.
1:28:02
OK, OK. So.
1:28:04
Instead of letting Kent rant on and on, remaking the same point
1:28:08
over and over again, why don't you join us?
1:28:10
Starting to run out of patience, Sir.
1:28:13
Please respect. OK, let's take a look at the
1:28:19
very first thing that he put up the tree of life.
1:28:23
Shall we go right back to that? This one, or which one would you
1:28:28
like? This one.
1:28:29
That one? That's the one.
1:28:31
OK. That's speculation.
1:28:36
That's a very old fashioned view of how life came to be as
1:28:42
diverse as it currently is. Nowadays, I don't know what what
1:28:47
book you got there from, but it's obviously from a children's
1:28:51
book. It's not it.
1:28:53
Yeah, it's not. It's probably from an old
1:28:55
children's book too. It's not current tific expertise
1:29:01
and we don't give credibility to that simplistic picture of how
1:29:07
life diversified anymore. That went out.
1:29:11
I don't know how recently, but it was, it's post Darwin
1:29:15
probably. Darwin came up with the original
1:29:17
idea, I think of the Tree of Life, but.
1:29:22
Although what we can say is that we have a common ancestor, and
1:29:27
there's very good reason for that.
1:29:30
We can't say that it's evolution occurred down a trunk and then
1:29:37
upper branch. It's much more complicated than
1:29:40
that. So I'm not sure what you're
1:29:44
asking me now. Are you asking me?
1:29:48
Why we think there's a common ancestor?
1:29:50
Is that what you're asking me? No.
1:29:53
Let's make it said. We'll keep say on this one
1:29:55
point. These trees of life have been
1:29:57
around for over 100 years. College textbooks say animals,
1:30:02
fungi and plants have a common ancestor.
1:30:05
I did not put the reference to this one.
1:30:07
Which book it's from. This one is Glencoe Biology, a
1:30:10
major publisher here in our country from 30 years ago,
1:30:13
teaching that all the many forms of life have a common ancestor.
1:30:17
Here's heath biology. I think it's the 4th largest
1:30:19
publisher showing humans are related to birds.
1:30:23
So do you believe you are related to a bird?
1:30:31
That's let's stick with the idea of a common ancestor first of
1:30:35
all, shall we? Do you believe you have a common
1:30:37
ancestor with a bird? Yes.
1:30:41
And do you wanna know why? I can't believe you believe
1:30:44
that. But sure, I'd be thrilled to
1:30:45
know why you were taught that from kindergarten on.
1:30:47
You got brainwashed. Go ahead.
1:30:50
That's not respectful. OK.
1:30:52
Can I point out, Brett? Sure I was, I was not
1:30:57
brainwashed. There's evidence if you let's
1:31:00
take the DNA evidence because I think you might agree that DNA
1:31:07
is like the instruction set in a cell that the proteins and and
1:31:13
therefore subsequently the processes are key described.
1:31:20
OK, so if you take a look at that DNA.
1:31:25
And we we know that it works because we use it in law to
1:31:30
identify criminals, don't we? We we we collect their DNA,
1:31:35
whether it's in the fingerprint or semen or whatever, and we say
1:31:39
there's an impossibly remote chance that this could have been
1:31:45
left by anyone else because our DNA is all distinct individual.
1:31:51
OK, well, if you take that DNA, you will find.
1:31:55
That the instructions for key enzymes and the enzymes of
1:32:01
course are the the speeders up of our biological processes.
1:32:07
With an enzyme, all the reactions go quicker and there
1:32:11
are specific enzymes for each process.
1:32:16
And if you take a look at the piece of DNA that codes for,
1:32:21
let's take a simple example, an enzyme that's involved in the
1:32:25
process of respiration. Internal respiration, the
1:32:29
chemical pathway that enables us to unlock the our fuel, get the
1:32:37
energy out of our fuel, which at that level is sugar, by reacting
1:32:42
it with oxygen. That's a complex process.
1:32:45
There's a whole series of enzymes that that affect it that
1:32:51
make it go faster, right, if you take a look at the DNA.
1:32:57
With codes for those enzymes you will find they're the same in
1:33:05
organisms that go back in time. And I don't mean fossils, I'm
1:33:11
talking about living organisms that have varying ranges of
1:33:18
complexity. If you if you look at look at
1:33:22
yeast for example or bananas for example, they use.
1:33:27
The same piece of DNA based similar piece of DNA to form
1:33:35
enzymes which control the processes of in this case
1:33:41
respiration, so basic process of life.
1:33:45
So that's the reason that we think there is common ancestry
1:33:51
and the closer you get to a species relationship with
1:33:56
another. The the correspondence, the
1:34:01
congruence between the DNA is a better match.
1:34:05
For example, we're 96% the same as chimpanzees in our DNA.
1:34:13
OK, one topic at a time. I understand.
1:34:16
I understand really well what you're saying.
1:34:18
I taught biology 15 years now. Is is there any, is there any
1:34:23
reason to only teach students? The similarity in the DNA code
1:34:29
proves a common ancestor. Would it also be just as logical
1:34:34
to say the same person is writing these codes?
1:34:38
A common creator the the PowerPoint that I use on my
1:34:43
computer probably has thousands of lines of code that are
1:34:47
identical to Microsoft Word when I type a letter.
1:34:51
So here's the two different programs with thousands of
1:34:53
identical lines of code. Therefore, nobody wrote the
1:34:57
code. That's your logical conclusion.
1:35:01
Richards, he went on for almost 15 minutes.
1:35:04
Can you give the man at least 20 seconds?
1:35:07
Mark you you are correct. You are correct to say there are
1:35:12
thousands of DNA similarities in different animals.
1:35:15
That is correct. It is not correct to therefore
1:35:18
conclude they had a common ancestor.
1:35:21
It is much more logical to say this code is so complex somebody
1:35:26
had to write the code. It had to write the code.
1:35:30
If there's no, there's no common sense answer to say this code,
1:35:34
this DNA code could form itself. The English alphabet could not
1:35:39
form itself by ink falling out of the sky on paper.
1:35:42
The English alphabet contains a code, 26 letters and a bunch of
1:35:46
symbols, and we can arrange those in different orders and
1:35:49
produce words that carry meaning.
1:35:52
The DNA code in any life form is way more complex than the
1:35:56
English alphabet, and it is. It's, to me, overwhelming
1:36:00
evidence there's a designer for the code.
1:36:02
The fact that there are similarities in the respiration
1:36:05
process between a bird and a human because we're both
1:36:08
breathing. Duh.
1:36:10
Of course there's similarities in the code to breathe.
1:36:14
It's not a common ancestor like you conclude and want to be
1:36:17
forced out. All the students you know, you
1:36:19
have to believe this is common ancestor.
1:36:21
No, this could just as well be a common designer.
1:36:25
We don't know. I couldn't prove either one if I
1:36:28
find DNA code. In a crime scene, I'd say the
1:36:30
chances are one in a bazillion that somebody else did this
1:36:34
just. But just the DNA code is to say
1:36:37
that look how complex this DNA code is, therefore nobody wrote
1:36:41
it. This is the conclusion you are
1:36:43
falling into, and it's just absolute insanity in my humble,
1:36:47
humble, totally unbiased opinion.
1:36:48
So yes, I agree their similarities.
1:36:51
I do not agree that proves common ancestry and you cannot
1:36:53
go back in time. Go ahead.
1:36:57
Thank you. OK.
1:36:59
Well, what you've done there is you've made an argument from
1:37:03
complexity and and derived the conclusion, which is not a
1:37:09
conclusion, but you claim the conclusion that that means
1:37:11
there's a designer. And, and again, you swamped me
1:37:16
by not letting you made your point in the first sentence of
1:37:20
what you were doing, what you said back then, and I wanted to
1:37:22
respond to it. But then you went on, and I've
1:37:25
lost the point. I've lost, I've lost the will to
1:37:27
live, in fact. So, Richard, what did you say at
1:37:33
the beginning of that little piece you said?
1:37:38
Why do we conclude that it wasn't designed?
1:37:42
Well, we don't, as I said earlier.
1:37:46
Creation is still in the frame we have.
1:37:50
The answer is we don't know. And there are three possible
1:37:56
explanations for how life originated.
1:37:59
One is creation, that doesn't mean it's your God.
1:38:03
Another one is panspermia and another one is a Biogenesis.
1:38:08
And there could be a combination of these two.
1:38:10
But why don't we think that your God is a likely explanation?
1:38:15
I'll answer. That question, I could have
1:38:17
answered it after your first sentence.
1:38:18
It's because every mystery that we have so far solved has turned
1:38:24
out not to have a creator deity agent in the sky as the
1:38:31
explanation. Every mystery we've solved and
1:38:35
we've solved millions of mysteries and none of them
1:38:39
required that explanation but the chances of creationism being
1:38:44
the correct. Explanation is vanishingly
1:38:49
improbable. Panspermia is not an explanation
1:38:54
for the origins of life, says Adam Lore Adam, if you don't
1:38:58
mind, can you explain to Mr. Richard why panspermia is not a
1:39:03
good speculation or answer for it.
1:39:07
Sure. Yeah, I think Ken earlier
1:39:09
explained this can't. Are you able to mute?
1:39:15
I can mute it here. He can mute it over there.
1:39:16
Yes, we can mute. Thank you.
1:39:19
I think I think can't explain this earlier that.
1:39:22
And I'm sure Mr. Richards understands this, that that that
1:39:25
would just, if there was panspermia, it would just
1:39:27
explain how life started here on Earth.
1:39:30
But it it still asks the question, you're begging the
1:39:32
question, where did it originate in the first place?
1:39:35
Yep. Am I?
1:39:37
I'm not muted? No.
1:39:38
Good. OK.
1:39:39
Yeah. Well, you're right.
1:39:41
And I bring you back to my original statement.
1:39:44
We just don't know. And you're right.
1:39:48
What panspermia does is puts it back one.
1:39:50
It says life did begin some other way elsewhere and then
1:39:55
came here. I accept that.
1:39:57
But so does creation because of course, creation assumes that.
1:40:02
God. Came.
1:40:06
I don't know from somewhere. All all creationism does is put
1:40:10
the the explanation back another step.
1:40:13
In the same way that panspermia does it, it may moves the
1:40:16
question from how did life originate?
1:40:19
To how did God originate? That's a quick creation isn't
1:40:25
being put in public schools, and people are not being forced to
1:40:29
pay for it. They can go to a religious
1:40:31
school or a church or something like that in order to learn
1:40:34
about it, as where evolution is being claimed to be knowledge of
1:40:38
something and as you've articulated.
1:40:42
You don't know. They don't know.
1:40:45
Yeah. OK, my turn.
1:40:49
He mentioned there are three theories, creationism,
1:40:52
transpermia, and abiogenesis. Transpermia simply postpones the
1:40:57
problem or puts it out of reach. And he the the question is do
1:41:03
they in your schools in England or in which which part of the
1:41:07
United Kingdom you're from? But do do they in the United
1:41:10
Kingdom over there give equal time to teaching the creation
1:41:13
story or is it all emphasis on the option #3 that it had to
1:41:18
happen by? I know we don't know, but yet
1:41:21
they teach it like we do know. This one shows crocodiles and
1:41:25
humans have a common ancestor. This one goes snakes and birds.
1:41:30
Have a common ancestor, which is true.
1:41:31
This is what is taught. And this is my objection.
1:41:34
This isn't science. This is something we believe
1:41:37
biology teachers have a common ancestor with sponges.
1:41:41
The kids look at this, they learn this kindergarten, first
1:41:44
grade, 2nd grade, all through grade school and high school.
1:41:47
And they come out believing it because they've seen lines drawn
1:41:50
on paper between animals and plants.
1:41:54
This is propaganda. This is not science.
1:41:57
We don't. If you don't know, then they
1:41:59
shouldn't have lines on these paper and say kids, you're going
1:42:01
to be tested on this. Are you related to a bat?
1:42:04
That's what they teach the kids. All forms of life had a common
1:42:08
ancestor. This is what is taught.
1:42:10
This isn't science. Go ahead.
1:42:15
Whether you weren't listening earlier on because I explained
1:42:19
why, we know that there is a common ancestor to pretty much
1:42:23
all of life. It's because of commonality
1:42:27
between the DNA. And yes that is I'm in England
1:42:30
and yes that is talk. I used to teach biology to pre
1:42:34
university level and yes we do teach evolution because it's a
1:42:39
fact and we don't we in science lessons we don't spend time
1:42:44
teaching creationism because there's no evidence for it.
1:42:48
It's like panspermia. There's no evidence for that
1:42:51
either except that you know we found a few meteorites with
1:42:55
some. Quite large organic molecules in
1:42:58
them. That doesn't mean anything.
1:43:00
But when I was teaching biology to pre university level, I used
1:43:05
to start my classes by saying we've got another school of
1:43:08
thought here. It's that God made everything.
1:43:13
And so I I did. And it's not disallowed in
1:43:17
science lessons in this country. I did enter into the
1:43:22
alternative. It's not a powerful alternative
1:43:26
because there's no evidence. Not only is there no evidence
1:43:30
for creation, but there's no evidence for God either.
1:43:34
But I I recognise that this is a cultural thing.
1:43:38
And so I explained to my class that.
1:43:40
You may have heard that it was all in.
1:43:42
According to the Bible it was all made in seven days by I
1:43:45
don't know magic. And and then I went on to
1:43:48
explain what we actually do know and what we know is is hearing
1:43:54
of evolution has got mountains of evidence not just from
1:43:58
fossils. I know you creationists love to
1:44:00
poke at the fossil record but they're every field of biology
1:44:05
is supports the contention that evolution.
1:44:10
Isn't the best model for explaining things.
1:44:17
OK, you said. There's no evidence for
1:44:21
creation. And we explain what we do know.
1:44:25
We know cows produce cows. That's been observed millions of
1:44:29
times worldwide. We know birds produce baby
1:44:32
birds. We know humans produce baby
1:44:34
humans. How do you know birds and humans
1:44:39
have a common ancestor? I you said the DNA code, that's
1:44:42
not an answer. It surely you see the logic in
1:44:44
this. The similar DNA code does not
1:44:47
prove a common ancestor. It could prove a common designer
1:44:51
the code is just too complex. But you jump, you just leap
1:44:55
right over this. Well, look, birds and humans
1:44:57
have the similar DNA code for respiration.
1:44:59
Therefore we have a common ancestor.
1:45:01
That's what you taught your kids in biology class, wasn't it?
1:45:04
Yes, it was. As charged, then you you
1:45:08
brainwashed. You didn't teach.
1:45:10
You brainwashed. You you didn't teach at all.
1:45:13
You brainwashed. Go ahead.
1:45:15
Absolute nonsense. It's not just the evidence from
1:45:19
the DNA. There's evidence from
1:45:21
Embryology, anatomy, Physiology, biochemistry.
1:45:27
No Gish galloping. That's what you guys do.
1:45:30
Embryology. Do you really believe Embryology
1:45:32
is evidence for evolution? Is that your stand?
1:45:36
It depends how you interpret it. Let me explain to you.
1:45:41
Thank you. Let me explain to you there is a
1:45:44
peculiar commonality between how embryos develop from a
1:45:50
fertilised egg, OK? They all go through 2 cell 4
1:45:56
cell 8 cell 16 cell 32 cell, and then they begin to look like a
1:46:01
fetus, but that initially the fetus just looks like a slug,
1:46:05
including us. We look like a tiny little
1:46:08
wriggly slug. After about, I don't know, five
1:46:11
days of gestation, and then at a later stage we begin maybe seven
1:46:17
days. We begin to take on a more human
1:46:19
form. But we're only that big yet at
1:46:23
that stage. Because our eyes are closed.
1:46:25
Yes, that's a good, good example there.
1:46:29
But that was Hitler's heiko's mistake.
1:46:33
Can I finish what I was saying and then get to high cost
1:46:35
mistake. OK, there is this commonality as
1:46:39
you can see all. Let's take vertebrates because
1:46:43
that's what you pictured there. They all have a tail.
1:46:46
We used to have a tail in our mother's womb.
1:46:49
It got absorbed. We we used to have other
1:46:52
features that resembled. Other Embryology dies.
1:46:58
And if I gave you an embryo of a pig at a certain stage of
1:47:04
development, you wouldn't be able to distinguish it from a
1:47:08
human embryo, because there is this amazing commonality, and
1:47:13
the likely explanation for that is that we have a common
1:47:17
ancestor now, heikel. What Heikel did was he came up
1:47:22
with the expression. Ontology recapitulates
1:47:26
phylogeny. OK, you're going to find that
1:47:30
for me. Ohh, I've got all that.
1:47:31
Yes, I got a law. And you've already brought up,
1:47:33
you've already Gish gallop past about five points.
1:47:36
OK, the fact that there are similarities and you, you said
1:47:39
yourself, oh, that's a good illustration.
1:47:41
This is the fake illustration that Hakel made on top of his
1:47:44
drawings underneath their actual photographs.
1:47:47
Well, we don't cause hail. But as, as embryo as ever
1:47:53
embryos develop, sure they go through similar stages of
1:47:55
development. That's what works.
1:47:58
It's following a code in the development.
1:48:01
That's your claimed explanation, and if your claimed explanation,
1:48:05
this proves a common ancestor. I'm saying that the likely
1:48:09
explanation, this is called abduction when we're looking,
1:48:12
you correctly said that we can't go back in time and say and see
1:48:17
these things happening. But we what we can do is apply.
1:48:23
Reasoning that we that is based on what we do observe happening
1:48:28
today, which is change happens, speciation occurs, we see it.
1:48:33
We can apply that knowledge to chronological progressions that
1:48:38
we can find in the past, whether they are fossil records or
1:48:42
Embryology. Now, Heykel didn't have a
1:48:44
camera, poor guy. He had to do drawings.
1:48:47
And of course, naturally they're not very good.
1:48:51
But his mistake. Was to interpret that ontology.
1:48:57
Ontogeny, which is the development from an egg,
1:49:00
recapitulates phylogeny, and that is the only error that he
1:49:04
made. And the reason it's an error is
1:49:07
because phylogeny is a human fabrication.
1:49:11
We've made it up. Nature doesn't have boxes.
1:49:16
We we say you, you group of animals look similar.
1:49:20
We're going to put you a boxer over you and call you a an
1:49:25
order, a class, A family, whatever, some sort of level of
1:49:29
taxonomy, OK? And that's false.
1:49:33
Nature is really a blurred spectrum.
1:49:37
We only do that to make it easier for us to talk about
1:49:40
things. Thank you.
1:49:44
Ask your question real quick, John.
1:49:46
Do you believe that you come from a millions of year old
1:49:51
shrew, which was according to what they call it, it was a
1:49:56
ancient rodent. Do you believe this?
1:50:00
The evidence is very convincing. The alternative explanation that
1:50:05
God went ZAP in created this shrew is not convincing.
1:50:11
OK, So what is the evidence that you're that humanity came from a
1:50:15
rodent? The evidence is in.
1:50:23
DNA. Biochemistry, Embryology,
1:50:27
anatomy, Physiology and modern medicine.
1:50:32
Geographic distribution. It's John.
1:50:35
We're talking about a creature that supposedly existed millions
1:50:39
and millions of years ago, before humanity even existed.
1:50:43
How were you able to compare DNA?
1:50:46
We we in that case, for a start, supposedly existed is a that's a
1:50:53
mistaken conception, because the evidence that it existed is very
1:50:57
strong. It's not a supposed existence
1:51:01
claim at all. And you're right, we don't have
1:51:05
the DNA of the shrew that revived the the asteroid
1:51:12
destruction. But what we do have is evidence.
1:51:17
And other forms. We have fossilized evidence and
1:51:22
and we have present day shrews. You know, we can look at present
1:51:26
day issues that they weren't all extinguished and so we can we
1:51:30
can compare from them. That's wonderful.
1:51:34
Can't you want to take over for a little bit?
1:51:36
I gotta use the rest area. Yeah, I said.
1:51:39
Or drink water for two hours. You have incredible faith to
1:51:43
believe that these similarities somehow demonstrate to you a
1:51:47
common ancestor when each one of them is so unbelievably complex.
1:51:52
I think we could look at, I'm not sure what automobiles are
1:51:55
manufactured in your country, but we could look at the
1:51:57
automobiles here in America and take Chevrolet and Dodge and
1:52:01
Ford and say they probably go through a common building
1:52:05
process. I bet they start with the frame
1:52:08
and then they add the undercarriage and the body and
1:52:11
the hood and the engine. But there's a I bet there's a
1:52:13
similar sequence of events for how the Ford is assembled and
1:52:18
how the Dodge is assembled and how the Chevy is assembled.
1:52:20
I bet there's thousands of similarity.
1:52:22
I bet the computers that are reading lines of code to tell
1:52:26
what to do next. Probably the lines of code for
1:52:29
Chevy and Ford and Chrysler are are similar.
1:52:33
That none of that would prove a common ancestor.
1:52:36
All of that would prove this is a system that works.
1:52:40
You gotta put the frame together first.
1:52:42
You don't put the key in the ignition and turn it and start
1:52:45
the car until you've got an engine in place.
1:52:48
And a starter motor. Of course, there are
1:52:49
similarities in lots of things in living form.
1:52:53
But, and you mentioned about we had a tail but we lost it
1:52:55
because we didn't need it. Well, that is simply ludicrous.
1:52:59
The tail bones we still have today are anchor points that
1:53:02
allow reproduction. If you think the tailbone is
1:53:05
vestigial, I will pay to have yours removed.
1:53:08
OK? You will quickly discover that
1:53:09
was a major mistake. And it's not.
1:53:12
It's not a very visual leftover. It's an essential.
1:53:15
It's an essential part of human anatomy.
1:53:18
OK. Nine tail bones and the muscles
1:53:20
that attach to them. So to see that the embryo
1:53:23
growing in the mother has what appears to us to be a tale, it's
1:53:26
just the backbone. The spine has grown 1st, and
1:53:29
then everything's going to be added to it.
1:53:31
Just like the frame of the car is put together 1st, and then
1:53:33
everything's added to that frame.
1:53:35
This is not evidence of a common ancestor.
1:53:39
You've made your point. Can I come in?
1:53:41
Sure. Please do.
1:53:42
Thank you. Right.
1:53:43
As usual, you made your point, your first sentence, and then
1:53:47
just reinforced. By repetition.
1:53:50
So let's take a look at the tail.
1:53:52
First of all, we do have a stump of a tail.
1:53:55
We have a few fused vertebrae, which is a remnant of.
1:54:00
It's. What's?
1:54:01
What's the word? I can't remember.
1:54:02
Now it's. Vestigial, vestigial remnant of
1:54:08
what used to be a tale. And occasionally you know,
1:54:11
humans are born with tails. I don't know how common that is,
1:54:16
but usually what happens because the mother doesn't want to see a
1:54:19
baby that's come out of her that has a tail.
1:54:22
Usually what happens is the the delivery nurse or doctor gets
1:54:25
hold of the baby, that's a quick snip, and then said, look,
1:54:28
you've got a boy. But that's.
1:54:32
That's. Let's go to cars.
1:54:36
You talked about Dodge champion Ford, and of course when you
1:54:40
don't know about how modern cars are made, but they're not made
1:54:43
on on A-frame or chassis, it's a monocoque construction.
1:54:46
But the point is that they had a common design.
1:54:51
A yes of course they did because they're trying to meet the same
1:54:56
remit, they're trying to give us mobility on roads and and that
1:55:01
is best met by a solution that includes.
1:55:04
Four wheels and engine in the box and the steering wheel and
1:55:08
some other control. But that doesn't mean that this
1:55:12
this hypothesis, this technique applies to everything in nature.
1:55:17
In fact, if you ask if you if you went into your car
1:55:21
manufacturing factory and this happened in World War Two.
1:55:28
In the in the UK, a lot of companies that have been made
1:55:31
partners were told to make aeroplane, but what did they do?
1:55:38
They started with a clean sheet of paper.
1:55:41
They didn't say I'm going to take this Chevy and modify it
1:55:46
until it flies because that would be crazy.
1:55:50
That's what evolution does. Evolution does modify the
1:55:55
existing. And that's an argument that we
1:55:59
weren't designed it doesn't support your Chevy Dodge Ford
1:56:04
rigmarole at all. I agree they did not modify the
1:56:09
car to make an airplane they did use.
1:56:12
They did use 10s of thousands of identical parts.
1:56:15
Nuts, bolts, screws, they were all.
1:56:18
Design each screw on that airplane was designed.
1:56:21
Each screw on the car was designed.
1:56:24
They used a common principle of an internal combustion engine at
1:56:27
the time till they got the jet engine.
1:56:28
That gasoline explodes. We have to compress it, make
1:56:31
only one part able to move. That would be the piston turning
1:56:34
a crankshaft. Thousands of things are similar
1:56:37
between cars. And if they did not start from
1:56:39
scratch with the airplane they said, OK, we know we have
1:56:42
gasoline that explodes. Yeah, let's use that on the
1:56:44
airplane and on the car. OK, so there are and both of
1:56:48
them car and. Plane we're designed by a smart
1:56:50
mind. None of them happened by
1:56:53
themselves. You want to say this complex
1:56:55
human body had no designer? The most complex thing in the
1:56:59
universe, the human body. You don't believe it had a
1:57:02
designer? I'm baffled by this.
1:57:04
Go ahead. OK.
1:57:05
Thank you. Right.
1:57:06
Well, again, you made your point in sentence one.
1:57:11
You mentioned common screws and nuts and other parts of human
1:57:17
design. And you're right, of course we
1:57:20
will redeploy useful bits when we're trying to make something
1:57:24
new that makes sense. What what you need to notice is
1:57:29
that those parts that you named are not found in nature.
1:57:35
You can't go around and look for a screw.
1:57:39
What humans do is we take. And we take natural things and
1:57:46
we work on them to change them into the form that we like.
1:57:50
When you find that chunk of marble, you don't see the statue
1:57:54
inside it. That has the chunk of marble has
1:57:57
to be worked on to to get the statue out.
1:58:01
And so everything that everything that humans have made
1:58:07
has signs that we made it. For example, even if you take
1:58:11
two half coconuts that are used to make the sound of a horse,
1:58:14
foot, horse. Yeah, you know the sound of a
1:58:17
horse. What what you see on that is
1:58:20
that this natural object has been sawn in half and there are
1:58:26
tool marks before you where it's been sworn in half and that the
1:58:30
whole has been drilled in the in the end and the string put
1:58:33
through so that you can use it for the purpose of making horse
1:58:37
hoove sounds. So what what we do is we we take
1:58:42
things that are natural and then we work on them and use them to
1:58:48
produce. Whatever product we're after.
1:58:50
So for example if you, if you take it are your findings one of
1:58:53
things made-up, there's no plastic in nature.
1:58:57
We've created that and you'll find that it's got your screw
1:59:02
and that's a piece of threaded steel.
1:59:05
You know steel doesn't occur in makeup.
1:59:08
We had to, we had to make that in the 1st place.
1:59:11
So things that humans made show signs that they were made by
1:59:17
women they include. Non natural materials and
1:59:21
tooling. Evidence of tooling haven't
1:59:23
happened, you know, and there are other signs too.
1:59:26
Assembly you know, you mentioned, I don't know whether
1:59:29
you mentioned glue and rivets, but we use fastening devices, we
1:59:34
don't find that in nature. Is there a whole vendor as well
1:59:38
as Mr. Richard? I'd like to show you something
1:59:41
shortly of an atheist scientist and what he claims, he said
1:59:46
you're looking for some kind of signature.
1:59:48
Here you go. You'll probably recognize this
1:59:50
guy. Here we go.
1:59:52
Genes are information. They are coded information.
1:59:56
It's even looks like computer information.
1:59:58
I mean a chromosome is is a great long computer tape.
2:00:03
It's linear. It runs one one-dimensional.
2:00:07
Digital code. It's not binary, it's
2:00:10
quaternary, but apart from that it's it's just the same as as
2:00:13
computer tape. It's.
2:00:14
It's read in in sequence. It's.
2:00:19
Copied and pasted from one part of the Organism to another in
2:00:22
just the same way as as a computer programmer would copy
2:00:27
and paste. So biology has turned into into
2:00:31
computer science copied and pasted from one part of the
2:00:35
Organism to another in just the same way as as a computer
2:00:40
programmer would copy and paste as a computer programmer would
2:00:46
copy and paste. Did you make that sound go very
2:00:52
deep? There was that.
2:00:54
Well, I wanted to make sure that it was clearly heard and that
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was Richard Dawkins, the Pope of atheism.
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No notice, notice, notice he did not address the subject.
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He tried to divert attention away to the deep voice.
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Do you believe the DNA code is similar to A to a computer tape
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or a computer code? Does that mean?
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Does that mean that it was intelligently designed?
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No. Yes, because it's a medium.
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The information is a medium of mind.
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There's nothing natural. You could describe the
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information inside the genome. I'm sorry.
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OK, hold it now, John said that. There's nothing like a screw
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found in nature. Is there anything like a nervous
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system found in nature that was repurposed for the human body?
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You have a nervous system that is mind boggling.
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Is there anything similar to the way a nervous system works with
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the electrons, moving them up and down and transferring
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signals and carrying information to your nervous system?
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What? What was that?
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What was that? What was that repurposed from in
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nature? OK, but you again, you made your
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point in the first sentence, and I could have, I could have
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addressed it there. Let me interrupt one of my the
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reason I have to make the point and then make it over and over
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again, because you don't get it. Thank you.
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Well, the answer is I have a nervous system and so do a lot
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of other sentient animals. There is no indication that my
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nervous system is in any way special.
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That it was created separately from the rest of the animal
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Kingdom. Remember, that's the fabricated
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classification. Then you went on to to explain,
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to to reveal that you don't know how nervous systems work because
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you talked about electrons buzzing about or or whatever you
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said and that that's not nothing moves, nothing moves in nervous
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systems. It's called not conduction, but
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so don't mix it up with electrical wires.
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It's called propagation. It's much more like a domino
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rally where a message is passed along and all the components
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stay. Still.
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Stay in place anyway. Why do we, why do we think, I'm
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not sure what your question was there just because it's complex
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is it is is that it is just saying because it's complex it
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can't have evolved is that can you tell us what the variables
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in the environment were that actually put the materials
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together to create this complex system?
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Yeah, sure I can. It's because in the in the early
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world. When the first predator.
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Discovered the taste of the first prey.
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It became an advantage to be able to see, even if at that
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stage it was only to distinguish between light and dark.
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Because if something dark was coming over your head, it's all
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in the water. By the way, nothing on land, yet
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something dark was coming. It was a reason to run away
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because it might be about to eat you, and the earliest sentient
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creatures had what we call light spots.
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Or eyespots, which were little complex chemicals.
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These are not even. And not, not even dependent upon
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the system of the cell. You can get these complex
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chemicals out and they are sensitive to light.
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But at that stage it became advantageous to have senses and
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therefore a nervous system to communicate that information to
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whatever motile, whatever mobility system you possessed,
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whether it was cilia, flagella or eventually muscles.
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Well, there you go. Kent falls.
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We gotta do is have a bunch of creatures bite each other
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repeatedly and we'll get our nervous system.
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Go ahead. But he he he clearly
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demonstrated what I have been saying all along.
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This is a religion. You don't know any of that
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happened. You believe it might have
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happened. You said it had light spots.
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And the early in the early world the first predator was able to
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see this. You you should write fairy tale
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books. That's a fairy tale.
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That's not. Clients.
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I don't say that we've seen this happen.
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Why don't we do it again? Let's get a creature that lives.
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The creature with no eyesight whatsoever.
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Let's get a tree. You think it would be advanced
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advantageous for a tree to be able to see a storm coming?
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Why don't trees grow eyes? OK, Kent and Richard, if I grow
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me some bat wings that would be very advantageous for me.
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Let me let me deal with the tree question first of all because.
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What happens in the case of plants is.
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They haven't evolved an ability to run away.
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They are rooted. They they're existence depends
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on some substrate. OK, most of them are yes, yes.
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So for them it isn't so much a. Uh, need for mobility.
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To run away from their predator. They have to think, they have to
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come up with alternative means. And they do this by making their
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leaves poisonous, for example, so that they are distasteful to
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the potential her before. But trees are sensitive, they
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don't have eyes, they're not as sensitive as us, but they bloody
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know when it's fall, and they let their leaves go at that time
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of year. OK, we have gone for two hours.
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I think we get where we get in every one of these debates.
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Nowhere. But I think the people can see
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clearly that you have a religious belief and will not
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admit it. You believe strongly in this
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historical past which you cannot see and.
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You make up a story, but just imagine it.
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And it was an advantage to be able to see.
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That's imagination. You and SpongeBob need to get
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together and do a cartoon show. So I think we should quit.
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I I can't go much longer either. I've got so I appreciate you
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coming in the morning where you are.
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The 326 here. Yeah.
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OK. Yeah.
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And Kent, you've been in here for an hour and a half before
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John showed up, so I know you're worried about that because it's
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all good, John. It's all good.
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Can't you have a wonderful night?
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And if you need, I can send you a recording.
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My voice to put you to sleep. I'm good.
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OK. Alright.
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God bless you, John. Come to dinosaur adventure land.
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We'll give you a tour and put you up.
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And you have a wonderful time here.
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Come visit if you're if you're paying my flight, I'll come.
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We'll pay for your food and utilities after you get here.
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That's the best we can do. Alright.
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Thank you. Alright.
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Have a good one, Kent.