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Episode 47_ The Disappearance of Lauren Spierer from Indiana University (Part 1)(M4A_128K) · NO FILTER

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  Speaker 1: What's up you guys. I'm Haley and I'm Andrea and
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  Speaker 1: this is Inhuman, a true crime podcast. All right, So
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  Speaker 1: before we dive into the case today, I just want
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  Speaker 1: to remind you all to send us any personal stories
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  Speaker 1: that you guys have. It can be literally anything something
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  Speaker 1: you've experienced personally, or even a friends story with their permission, right,
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  Speaker 1: but literally anything ghost related, true crime related, anything, send
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  Speaker 1: them our way and you can email them to us
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  Speaker 1: at inhumanmonsterpod at gmail dot com. Yes, so don't forget
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  Speaker 1: to do that. And we're just gonna get into the
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  Speaker 1: case because this is going to be a long one.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: So the case I'm covering today, it's one that I've
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  Speaker 1: actually been perplexed by for years. This is one that
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  Speaker 1: you know when people say, like, what's one case that
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  Speaker 1: you would want to know what happened?
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  Speaker 3: Like what really happened? Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: My three are this one, Jean Bennet and Bryce Lespisa.
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  Speaker 3: Ooh okay, so when you told me you were doing
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  Speaker 3: this case, I did not look it up. I recognized
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  Speaker 3: the name, but I brain dead completely on the details. Okay,
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  Speaker 3: So I'm sure I've heard it, but I'm excited to
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  Speaker 3: hear your take on it and oh.
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  Speaker 1: That makes me excited.
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  Speaker 3: Cool, Okay, I try not to do that because like
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  Speaker 3: I don't want to ruin it for myself, you know,
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  Speaker 3: even if I actually.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, same, but yeah. So I've been perplexed by
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  Speaker 1: this for years, but it was suggested to us by Alison.
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  Speaker 1: And when I saw that come into our inbox, I
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  Speaker 1: think I texted you right away and I was like,
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  Speaker 1: I want to do I want to cover is yeah,
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  Speaker 1: because I was like, I've been thinking of wanting to
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  Speaker 1: cover this, but like I wasn't going to do it
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  Speaker 1: for a while because I knew it would involve a
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  Speaker 1: lot of research. Yeah, but when Allison suggested it, I
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  Speaker 1: was like, I gotta do it. So thank you Alison.
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  Speaker 1: And today we are going to be covering the disappearance
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  Speaker 1: of Lauren. Yes, and I went way into this case,
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  Speaker 1: like I dove down pretty much every rabbit hole that
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  Speaker 1: there was, so buckle in and I'll tell you from
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  Speaker 1: now this in case you'ven't heard of this case before.
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  Speaker 1: It is unsolved, and there are a lot of theories
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  Speaker 1: that I'll be going into and we're gonna be going
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  Speaker 1: through all of them.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, grab a snack, take a road trip whatever.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, get ready for it because it's gonna be
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  Speaker 1: a long one, but it'll be good. I'm actually really
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  Speaker 1: proud of my research into this, so I hope that
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  Speaker 1: it turns into a good episode.
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  Speaker 3: Awesome, I'm sure it is all right.
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  Speaker 1: So Lauren Spear was born to Robert and Charlene Spear
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  Speaker 1: on January seventeenth, nineteen ninety one, in New York. Lauren
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  Speaker 1: grew up in Scarsdale, New York, which is a wealthy
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  Speaker 1: town in the Westchester County area of New York. So
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  Speaker 1: this is like known for being a pretty wealthy area.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Growing up, Lauren was very active with her Jewish faith.
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  Speaker 1: She attended a summer camp called Camp Towanda as a kid,
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  Speaker 1: and there she met a friend, Jay Rosenbaum and her
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  Speaker 1: future boyfriend Jesse Wolfe, and they actually both ended up
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  Speaker 1: going to college with Lauren years later.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, so she.
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  Speaker 1: Was very active in her faith. This camp was, you know,
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  Speaker 1: surrounding the Jewish faith, and she met those two and
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  Speaker 1: several other future college friends at at Camp Towanda. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: Lauren was a very petite woman.
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  Speaker 3: I didn't hear it, but your reaction and that's not
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  Speaker 3: the door right, No, what was it was that the
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  Speaker 3: window hold? Okay, it's not even spooky season anymore, guys, I.
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  Speaker 1: Have no fucking clue that was. But that was so scary?
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  Speaker 3: Was it outside?
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  Speaker 1: I think so?
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  Speaker 3: And that's like your backyard, right, it's my front yard.
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  Speaker 3: Oh it's your front yard. Okay, I don't.
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  Speaker 1: Know, but okay, okay. So, as I was saying, Lauren
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  Speaker 1: was a very peteite woman. She was four nine and
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  Speaker 1: like ninety or ninety five pounds. Oh, she was tiny, tiny,
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  Speaker 1: And this was the time, at the time she disappeared,
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  Speaker 1: so she was like twenty years old.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: She also had a heart condition called long Qt syndrome, which,
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  Speaker 1: according to an ABC News article about her disappearance, it
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  Speaker 1: is quote a heart rhythm disorder for which she sometimes
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  Speaker 1: needs medication. This disorder can cause uncontrollable and dangerous arrhythmias.
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  Speaker 3: Oh.
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  Speaker 1: So Lauren had this condition for like a lot of
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  Speaker 1: her life. I couldn't find exactly when she was diagnosed
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  Speaker 1: with it, but she'd had it for a while, and
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  Speaker 1: she she was taking medication for it, and that'll be
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  Speaker 1: kind of important later, so just keep that in mind.
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  Speaker 1: In two thousand and nine, Lauren graduated from Edgemont High
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  Speaker 1: School in New York and enrolled at Indiana University in Bloomington, Indiana.
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  Speaker 1: And this is one of the main reasons why when
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  Speaker 1: I saw this case suggestion, I wanted to cover it
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  Speaker 1: because I went to Purdue, which is Indiana or IU's
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  Speaker 1: big rival, so Perdue and IU are like big rivals.
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  Speaker 1: I know a lot of people that went to IU.
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  Speaker 1: I've been there, and we also like during games and stuff,
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  Speaker 1: we would say IU sucks during like football games, basketball games.
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  Speaker 1: That was like our thing. And then also during the
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  Speaker 1: chorus of Sweet Caroline when we would sing it at
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  Speaker 1: the piano bar on Thursday nights, so we would always
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  Speaker 1: like say IU sucks. It was a thing. So, you know,
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  Speaker 1: big rival. And actually the wedding that I was at
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  Speaker 1: last weekend, the groom went to IU. Oh so yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and they actually got engaged at IU. And they also
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  Speaker 1: he and then my friend Megan the bride. They have
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  Speaker 1: been to the bar that Lauren was at that night
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  Speaker 1: multiple times, so like they've talked about it, they've sent
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  Speaker 1: me photos from there, so.
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  Speaker 3: It's just kind of eerie interesting. Wow.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, So that's kind of one of the reasons that
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  Speaker 1: this case has stuck with me for so long, and
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  Speaker 1: I'm glad that I'm able to share her story through
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  Speaker 1: this episode. But anyway, enough about me and my college life.
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  Speaker 1: Lauren was studying textiles and merchandising or basically fashion design
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  Speaker 1: at IU, and she became very active in the Jewish
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  Speaker 1: community on campus, and the spring break before she disappeared,
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  Speaker 1: she even traveled to Israel to plant trees with the
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  Speaker 1: Jewish National Fund.
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  Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, that's like a bucket list place I
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  Speaker 3: want to Yeah, that's amazing.
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  Speaker 1: On June second, twenty eleven, Lauren was twenty years old
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  Speaker 1: and she had just finished her sophomore year at IU,
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  Speaker 1: and she was ready to, you know, celebrate being done
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  Speaker 1: with the school year. And just a little bit of
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  Speaker 1: background info on IU in case you don't know what
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  Speaker 1: the scene is there. It's a very good school. It's
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  Speaker 1: strong in academics. It's known for having a good basketball team,
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  Speaker 1: which Purdue is better, but that's beside the point. I'm
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  Speaker 1: a very big Purdue basketball fan. If you didn't know,
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  Speaker 1: our dog is literally named after the basketball Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: So.
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  Speaker 1: But aside from all that, IU is also known for
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  Speaker 1: being kind of a party school. It has been ranked
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  Speaker 1: over the years as the top party school from various
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  Speaker 1: different outlets. You know, there's always these outlets saying the
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  Speaker 1: top party school or the top whatever. Yeah, so it's
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  Speaker 1: been ranked and students that go there are known for
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  Speaker 1: liking to party. Of course, not everybody, and there's still
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  Speaker 1: really good students and it's still a really good school,
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  Speaker 1: but it is also known as having like a good
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  Speaker 1: party scene. Okay, And the town that's that it's in, Bloomington,
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  Speaker 1: is not very big, so kind of picture like a
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  Speaker 1: small college town feel, where things are nearby, the bars
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  Speaker 1: are within walking distance of your apartment, and in Lauren's case,
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  Speaker 1: you're excited to go out and celebrate the end of
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  Speaker 1: another school year.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: So it was Friday night and Lauren and her friends
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  Speaker 1: were hanging out drinking. I think it was the NBA
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  Speaker 1: Finals was happening, and so they were watching one of
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  Speaker 1: the games and or something, and they were excited to
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  Speaker 1: just kind of blow off some steam. So I'm first
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  Speaker 1: going to go through basically the timeline that has been
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  Speaker 1: put together both through witness statements and through surveillance footage,
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  Speaker 1: and then I'll talk through, you know, the actual investigation
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  Speaker 1: and what happened afterwards. Okay, And that's of that night, yep. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: And quickly, before we get into the timeline, I want
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  Speaker 1: to introduce you guys to a couple of the people
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  Speaker 1: that are involved in the story, because it can get
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  Speaker 1: kind of confusing, so I hope that this I'm gonna
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  Speaker 1: just like share who they are, so hopefully it'll make
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  Speaker 1: it a little easier to follow.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: So first up, we have Jesse Wolfe who I mentioned
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  Speaker 1: at the beginning. Jesse was Lauren's boyfriend who she had
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  Speaker 1: met at Camp Twanda years prior, so at this point
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  Speaker 1: they'd been together for about three years, and Jesse was
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  Speaker 1: also a student at IU. Jesse and Lauren loved each
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  Speaker 1: other and Jesse was kind of described as being her protector.
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  Speaker 1: They were very close, and they had actually been planning
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  Speaker 1: to travel back to the East Coast for the summer,
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  Speaker 1: where their families lived not far from each other, so
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  Speaker 1: they were planning to travel together back. They were very close,
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  Speaker 1: good relationship on all accounts.
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  Speaker 3: Like best friends but also dating.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Okay, And on the night of June's second this
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  Speaker 1: night that Lauren disappeared, Jesse did not go out with Lauren.
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  Speaker 1: He was watching the NBA Finals game, so he was
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  Speaker 1: at home. He was texting back and forth with Lauren
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  Speaker 1: a little bit throughout the night until he went to bed.
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  Speaker 1: Next up, we have Jason or Jay Rosenbaum. So this
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  Speaker 1: is the other friend that she met at camp years before,
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  Speaker 1: and they were now good friends at IU and Jay
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  Speaker 1: lived in a townhouse located at five North Town Homes,
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  Speaker 1: which was in downtown Bloomington, not far from the bars,
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  Speaker 1: and it was about two blocks from Lauren's apartment.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Next up we have Corey Rossman and Michael or Mike Beth.
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  Speaker 1: Corey and Mike lived I think one door down from Jay,
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  Speaker 1: and they had actually just met Lauren a few days
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  Speaker 1: earlier at the Indy five hundred, so they were friends
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  Speaker 1: with Jay and met Lauren through him.
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  Speaker 3: Okay. And Corey is a male I'm assuming a man.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, a man. And then finally we have David Roane.
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  Speaker 1: This guy is a neighbor and friend of Lauren's and
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  Speaker 1: he comes into play for like just a hot second.
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  Speaker 1: I just wanted to mention him.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, So that's the group.
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  Speaker 1: The night of June's second Lauren had been invited by
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  Speaker 1: Jay to a party at his townhouse and This is
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  Speaker 1: now technically the early morning hours of June third, so
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  Speaker 1: it's like late Friday night turns into like really early
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  Speaker 1: Saturday morning, Okay. At around twelve thirty am, witnesses report
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  Speaker 1: seeing Lauren leaving her apartment with her friend David Rohane,
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  Speaker 1: and the two headed to Jay's apartment, where they started drinking,
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  Speaker 1: and Corey and Mike were also there at the party.
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  Speaker 1: One source claimed that during the party, Lauren and Corey
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  Speaker 1: were hanging out, and this source claimed that Corey wanted
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  Speaker 1: to hook up with Lauren. And remember she has a boyfriend,
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  Speaker 1: right and he wasn't there that night. And I couldn't
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  Speaker 1: confirm this other than that one source, but I did
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  Speaker 1: want to mention it. Jay also claimed that either David
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  Speaker 1: or Lauren told him that they had snorted Klonna pin,
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  Speaker 1: which is a sedative anti anxiety medication, and then Jay
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  Speaker 1: said that whichever one of them told him this also
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  Speaker 1: said that they had done cocaine. Oh, which, like that
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  Speaker 1: doesn't really make a sense if you're like doing like
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  Speaker 1: snorting a.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, but people do that, like, especially if they're
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  Speaker 3: like drinking and party in which is a terrible idea
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  Speaker 3: because it leads to like blacking out and passing out
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  Speaker 3: and heart no roller coaster. Yeah, not a good idea, exactly,
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  Speaker 3: don't do it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and this was this has only come from Jay
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  Speaker 1: reporting this, And he also can't remember if it was
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  Speaker 1: Lauren or David who told him this, which which makes
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  Speaker 1: a lot of people suspicious. Yeah, like they're very different. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: but he was also intoxicated, so who knows. He might
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  Speaker 1: just remember somebody telling him that but not know who
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  Speaker 1: it was. So I think that this could be important
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  Speaker 1: if it's true, because we know Lauren had that heart condition. So,
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  Speaker 1: like you just said, doing drugs and especially mixing drugs
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  Speaker 1: with drinking can definitely mess with your heart.
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely, so it.
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  Speaker 1: Definitely potentially could be dangerous to her. And then the
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  Speaker 1: other thing that a lot of people talk about is
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  Speaker 1: if David was the one who said it, maybe Lauren
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  Speaker 1: didn't know exactly what she was taking, you know, and
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  Speaker 1: that could have been dangerous to her as well. Right,
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  Speaker 1: But we don't know who said it, We don't know
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  Speaker 1: if Jay is even telling the truth. But it is
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  Speaker 1: something that investigators learned later that fits into this timeline. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: So David was seen on surveillance footage re entering his
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  Speaker 1: apartment building not long after he left with Lauren, and
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  Speaker 1: he wasn't seen leaving again until eleven am the next day,
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  Speaker 1: so he pretty much was never suspected to play any
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  Speaker 1: part in Lauren's disappearance, and he's gone. At one point,
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  Speaker 1: Lauren and Corey left the party at Jay's and went
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  Speaker 1: down to Corey's townhouse two doors down, and Corey's roommate Mike,
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  Speaker 1: said that both Lauren and Corey were visibly very intoxicated
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  Speaker 1: at this point, but they wanted to go out and
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  Speaker 1: drink more. At one six am, Lauren entered Kilroy's Sports Bar,
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  Speaker 1: and this was seen on surveillance footage, and this is
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  Speaker 1: a very popular sports bar in downtown Bloomington, not far
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  Speaker 1: from the townhouse that they were just at. While at
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  Speaker 1: the bar, it's believed that Corey was buying Lauren drinks
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  Speaker 1: because remember she's only twenty years old.
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  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that's true.
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  Speaker 1: So there's some speculation that she was maybe using a
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  Speaker 1: fake ID, but more people report that he was buying
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  Speaker 1: her drinks, and I think that's what a lot of
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  Speaker 1: people believe happened. And while at the bar, we also
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  Speaker 1: know that Lauren took off her shoes when she went
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  Speaker 1: out onto they have like a sand covered outdoor patio.
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  Speaker 1: She took off her shoes when she was out there
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  Speaker 1: and ended up leaving her shoes there, And she also
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  Speaker 1: left her phone at kill Royce, so that just shows
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  Speaker 1: you how intoxicated she was. At two twenty seven am,
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  Speaker 1: Lauren was seen on surveillance exiting kill Roy's with Corey,
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  Speaker 1: who then walked with her to her apartment, and three
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  Speaker 1: minutes later they were seen on surveillance entering her apartment complex,
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  Speaker 1: which is called the Smallwood Plaza Apartments. When they got
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  Speaker 1: off the elevator at the fifth floor, where Lauren's apartment was,
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  Speaker 1: they ran into some guys that allegedly were some friends
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  Speaker 1: of Jesse's Lauren's boyfriend. Okay, so there are reports that
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  Speaker 1: one of these guys, who's named Zach Oakes, noticed how
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: intoxicated Lauren was and asked if she was okay. And
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  Speaker 1: remember she doesn't ever shoes, she doesn't never cell phone.
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  Speaker 1: She was stumbling around, so I'm sure she looked very drunk.
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  Speaker 3: And she was with a guy she had just met
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  Speaker 3: like two days before, right right, Okay.
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  Speaker 1: And apparently Corey responded to Zach something like she's Okay,
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  Speaker 1: I got I got it. And Zach claims that he
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  Speaker 1: then said something like, okay, great, just get her home,
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  Speaker 1: to which Corey responded by cursing at him. And then
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  Speaker 1: Zach said that he was concerned that Corey was trying
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  Speaker 1: to take advantage of Lauren. Yeah, and so after this response,
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  Speaker 1: Zach punched Corey in the face. Okay, so I'm thinking
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  Speaker 1: it was more of a like, he pissed him off,
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  Speaker 1: but Zach was also trying to look out for Lauren
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  Speaker 1: and that's why he got pissed off, and then he
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  Speaker 1: punched Corey in the face, right, And that would also
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  Speaker 1: make sense if Zach was friends with Jesse, because it's
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  Speaker 1: like this guy that is with.
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  Speaker 3: Your friend one of my buddies.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but this punch apparently left Corey bruised and a
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  Speaker 1: bit disoriented, and there's some speculation that this hit to
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  Speaker 1: Corey's head affected his memory around happened the rest of
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  Speaker 1: the night and later we'll kind of find out who
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: said that and a little more about that. Right now,
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  Speaker 1: after this altercation, which according to police, was seen on
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  Speaker 1: surveillance cameras, but they've never released that footage or you know,
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  Speaker 1: confirmed exactly what happened, which is kind of a running
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  Speaker 1: theme through this case. They've only released one photo of Lauren,
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  Speaker 1: but as you'll see over the next like couple of
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  Speaker 1: time stamps, she was seen on surveillance multiple times. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and I get like them not wanting to release it
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  Speaker 1: right away, but it's been ten years.
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's true. So because the more they release, the
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: more possibilities there are that someone will come forward with information.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly, Like, maybe somebody didn't realize that the person that
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  Speaker 1: they saw that night was Lauren. Yeah, and then they
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: might see the surveillance and remember something, right, But anyway.
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  Speaker 3: We don't know why they do the things they do exactly.
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  Speaker 1: So this was apparently seen on surveillance cameras, but regardless,
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  Speaker 1: Lauren and Corey then turned around and left her apartment
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  Speaker 1: building instead of going into her apartment that was right there.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, so the friends let her leave with the guy.
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  Speaker 3: Oh my gosh.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, So they're on the fifth floor where her apartment is,
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  Speaker 1: and they, after this altercation, decided to turn around and leave.
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  Speaker 1: Which some of the things that I've read and listened
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  Speaker 1: to about this case, people are saying that maybe and
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: this is all alleged, you know, we don't know, and
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: they're saying maybe Corey was trying to take advantage of
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: her and knew. Oh well, now these guys know that
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: I'm here. Yeah, Like, if they call Jesse and Jesse
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: comes over, I'm screwed. So we're gonna get back to
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: my place.
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: That's what I'm gonna assume too. Because he's known this
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: girl for a couple of days, he's doesn't owe her
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: taking her home. Like, Yeah, there are right guys out
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: there who will do that. But chances are he was
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: trying to trying to get something out of out of it.
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: Yep, that's what a lot of people think. Yeah, So
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: either way, they were seen exiting the elevator at the lobby,
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: where Lauren was seen stumbling still and Corey like steadied her.
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: Outside the complex about a block away, a witness reported
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: seeing Lauren sitting on some concrete steps when she stood
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: up but then lost her balance and fell backwards, and
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: apparently the woman asked Lauren if she needed help, but
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: once again Corey responded for Lauren that she was fine
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: and he was taking care of her.
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: Lauren was then seen on camera entering an alley at
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: two forty eight am.
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: And Ali.
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, this Ali ran between College Avenue and
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: Morton Street, and security cameras from a nearby apartment complex
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: saw her exit the alley at two point fifty one am,
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: and she was walking towards an empty lot. She was
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: still with Corey, and her purse and keys were later
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: found in that alley, so she likely dropped them.
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: So how long So the time they went into the
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: alley to the time that they were seen exiting the alley?
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: How long was that like three minutes?
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: Okay, so not enough time for like, well maybe no, probably.
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was more like they were walking through Okay, Okay,
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: but it's just another sighting of her on surveillance, and.
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: She dropped her belongings, which is not a good fun, okay.
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: Police say. There's also surveillance footage of Lauren falling again,
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: basically where she fell flat on her face because she
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: was too drunk to you.
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: Know, like cast herself as normally you.
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: Put your hands out and at one point, and we
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: don't know if this came from a witness account or
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: surveillance footage, but Corey apparently took Lauren and slung her
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: over his shoulder in a firearms carry fireman's carry.
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: That's the worst.
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So you know, some people say that this maybe
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: indicates that he was more like coherent than she was,
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: but I would argue that it doesn't necessarily mean that,
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: because you know, guys are strong and so I don't know,
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: maybe it could indicate that, but I don't think that
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: one hundred percent means that.
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: I feel like his responses throughout the night kind of
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: proved that too, though, because like he's, yeah, like he's
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: probably intoxicated, but he's probably like he was buying her
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: drinks at the bar, he probably was not matching her
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: on those drinks, you know what I mean, Right, that's
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: just my assumption.
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so he, you know, at one point did this,
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: and they were supposedly headed back towards his townhouse. So
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: from there on out, we have no more surveillance footage.
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: So the rest of this is all from witness accounts.
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: But this is kind I'm going to go through it
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: as if we're like, Okay, this is the story, okay,
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: and then we'll talk about some of the possible inconsistencies later.
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: So, Lauren and Corey arrived back at Corey's apartment, where
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: his roommate Mike Beth was still awake and Corey was
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: very intoxicated. According to Mike, he was apparently stumbling around
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: and he even ended up vomiting on the carpet on
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: the way upstairs. Yeah, and some people say that could
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: be from the drinking, or it also could be from
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: getting hit in the head.
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: Or true, that's true.
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So Mike got Corey into bed because he was like,
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: you're too drunk, you need to go to bed. And
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: then he says that he tried to convince Lauren to
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: sleep over because she was clearly very drunk, and he
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: said that Lauren was just having none of it. She
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: wanted to go back to her apartment, and she was
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: even trying to get Mike to go to her apartment
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: with her to have a few more drinks. But Mike
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: did not think this was a good idea. Thank you, Mike.
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: So at three point thirty am, he called his neighbor
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: and Lauren's friend, Jay to ask him to take care
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: of Lauren. Okay, because you know, he's like, I don't
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: know this girl. Like I tried to get her to
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: go to bed, she doesn't want to not going to
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: her apartment. Yeah, yeah, exactly, so eventually he escorted Lauren
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: over to Jay's apartment and went home. So Jay says
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: that Lauren was visibly very drunk, and he also said
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: that she had a bruise under her eye, but when
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: he asked her how she got it, she couldn't remember, Okay.
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: So you know that again just shows you how drunk
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: she was because it was probably from one of those
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: falls she took right face planning, but she can't even remember.
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: There's not a ton of information on what happened in
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: the next hour or so, but around four fifteen am,
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: the two calls were placed from Jay's phone, and according
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: to Jay, he can't remember, but they were made by
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: either by Lauren or by Jay on behalf of Lauren,
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: like it was for Lauren because she realized she didn't
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: ever phone, okay, And we don't know who one of
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: the calls was to, but we know one was to
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: her friend, David Rohane, and then the other one it
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: just said to a friend and we don't know who.
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: That is, Okay.
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: Both calls went unanswered and no messages were left. At
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: four thirty am, Jay reported that Lauren left his apartment.
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: He said that he saw her at the intersection of
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: Eleventh Street and College Avenue, headed south on College, which
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: was towards her apartment, so he believed that she was
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: walking the two blocks back to her apartment. And this
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: is the last known sighting of Lauren. So you know,
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: we can get into this more later. But don't ever
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: let anyone walk home alone. Yeah, god, Jay, even if
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: they're not drunk, No.
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: Especially a woman. Like it's sad that we even have
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: to say that. I mean, no one should walk home alone,
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: but like, especially a woman.
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no matter how coherent or drunk, they are, right.
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: So that's the timeline that has been developed of you know,
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: the night of June second, early morning of June third.
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: Later that morning, like a normal morning time, Jesse, Lauren's
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: boyfriend had texted her but hadn't heard back. So by
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: early afternoon, he still hadn't heard back, and an employee
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: from Kilroy's, where Lauren had left her phone, actually texted
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: him back on her phone to let him know that
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: her phone was there.
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: Oh that was nice.
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: So of course he freaked out, Yeah, because she's like, okay,
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: she doesn't have her phone. So he then reached out
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: to Lauren's roommate Hadir Tamir, and he actually went to
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: Hadeir's class to borrow her keys to to their apartment
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: so that he could go check on Lauren. He you know,
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: was hoping that, you know, maybe she was just sleeping.
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: It off, she was still asleep, and she just didn't
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: ever phone, so she hadn't messaged him. So he went
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: straight over there, but she was not there. Yeah, And
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: when he realized that, he called some of their friends
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: and then they both or him and the friends called
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: Lauren's family and then also called the police to report
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: her missing. So this was around four thirty PM on
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: June third. Okay. Lauren's parents, who lived in New York,
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: immediately started calling hospitals in the Bloomington area to look
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: for Lauren, and the next day, on June fourth, they
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: arrived in Bloomington from New York to find Lauren.
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: And I guess his friend never said, oh, yeah, by
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: the way, I ran into Lauren last night and punched
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: the sky in the face.
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, not right away at least.
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: Okay, So the investigation began and police started questioning all
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: the people who had seen or talked to Lauren that night.
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: They started pulling surveillance footage and piecing the story together.
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: As the investigation developed, many people, Lauren's parents included, questioned
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: whether Lauren actually left the townhouses that night.
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: M h.
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: Now, there were surveillance cameras around the townhouses, but apparently
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: they weren't working.
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: Of course they weren't. Of course they weren't. I was
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: going to ask that because you said that was the
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: last time anyone saw her. I was like, there was
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: Was there no CCTV on any of the streets between
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: the two blocks.
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So that's that's one of the things. So other
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: than Mike's account that we have that she went to
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: Jay's and then Jay's account that she left the building,
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: we don't know for sure that she didn't leave. Now,
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: like you just said, although those cameras were malfunctioning, this
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: area is surrounded by bars and restaurants and places that
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: did have surveillance cameras. But from what has been released
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: by the police, there is no evidence of Lauren walking
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: around that area after that last sighting of her on
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: the walk to the townhouses. Okay, and we technically, as
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: far as physical evidence, don't even know that she did
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: get back into the townhouses. But a lot of people
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: more people tend to trust Mike's account of what happened
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: compared to Corey and Jays, just because he was less suspicious,
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: he was more sober all of that. Yeah, So, but
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: you know, we don't know technically she made it, but
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: the last surveillance footage was right around the corner, and
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: Mike and Jay both claimed that she was back there.
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: And also, to play devil's advocate, I know you like
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: to say that, yep, I mean we could.
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: I don't think we can completely put it past Mike
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: to cover for his room either.
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, and well, like I don't know if
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: I'm going to get into it how soon. But okay,
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: Lauren's parents tend to think that they are covering something up.
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: Okay, I could see that, Yeah.
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: But to play a devil's advocate myself, we don't know
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: that there isn't footage of this. They're very well maybe
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: and the police may just haven't released this. That seems
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: a little less likely to me, because even if they
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: weren't going to release the actual footage, just saying we
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: know for sure she left, I feel like would be
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: huge in helping the public, you know, if they knew anything.
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: But you know, We don't know for sure that there
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: isn't any footage, but it is something to note, and
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: I think that's one of the reasons this case gets
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: so complicated and it's so frustrating to so many because
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: it's like, there was so much surveillance footage of her. Yeah,
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: yet we somehow didn't capture her leaving this apartment. So
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: did she never leave the apartment? Did she and their
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: somehow didn't get caught on footage? Who knows? Yeah, So
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: the theory that maybe she never left is one of
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: the many, many theories in this case, many of which
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: we will dive into. But first I want to talk
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: about kind of what happened after she was reported missing,
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: and as the investigation started to develop. The investigation did
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: start pretty quickly. Her name and photo got spread around
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: social media very quickly, and this was kind of one
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: of the earlier cases that started to get spread around
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: social media. I know. I think actually Alice and the
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: person that suggested this case said that she had like
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: followed this on Twitter when it happened. I could be
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: wrong about that, so I'm sorry if I am, but
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: I know that it like really did get spread around
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: social media a lot, just four days after Lauren disappeared,
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: police came out and said that they did suspect foul play.
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: They didn't name any suspects or persons of interest, but
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: they did say that they believe foul play was involved.
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: Although the police didn't name them, it didn't take very
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: long for the public to think that some of the
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: men that were with Lauren that night may have been
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: involved in her disappearance. So Jesse being the boyfriend obviously, again,
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: even though he wasn't named by the police at all,
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: people were suspected did something happen. So his parents actually
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: came to Indiana and brought him back to New York.
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: Some people found this suspicious because this was only a
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: couple days after Lauren disappeared, So people are like, why
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: would you take him home, you know, if his girlfriend
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: is missing. But I don't really blame them because we
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: have seen time and time again people get coerced into
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: saying something. So him going home and being able to
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: be interviewed with either his parents or a lawyer present
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: doesn't really bother me.
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: Maybe his parents couldn't come and stay out in Indiana
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: while the investigation was happening because they have jobs and
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: so they had to. But they didn't want him to
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: be alone because they were worried that he would get
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: into something.
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: You know, and who knows, like what his mental state was.
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: I mean, his girlfriend of what four years?
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: Three years?
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: Yeh, known her forever, Yeah, had just gone missing and
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: is missing still. I mean, he could be a complete
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: and total mess and not even able to like care
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: for hisself, you know, exactly. So I don't find that
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: that suspicious.
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't either, And honestly, same thing with the
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: other guys getting lawyers. They did lawyer up pretty quickly,
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: but they did still talk to police. Like it wasn't
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: like Brian Laundry where he lawyered up and just wouldn't
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: say a thing. After Gabby Patito went missing, they still
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: willingly talk to police. Some of them talked to police
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: before they got lawyers, and then once they got lawyers,
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: they still talked to their talk to police, just their
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: lawyers were there, which I think is safe and smart
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: and I don't I don't find that suspicious at all.
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: On June seventh, so four days later, police entered Lawaren's
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: apartment to search, and it's been reported that a very
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: small amount of cocaine was found in her apartment. Lauren's
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: parents said that they'd never known Lauren to experiment with drugs,
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: but they also said, you know, she's in college. You know,
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: we can't say that she didn't do anything right. One
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: thing that they did find in her apartment was her
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: heart medication. So this solidified for almost everybody that she
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: had not run away. You know, most people didn't think that,
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: but it's always a possibility. But seeing that a lot
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: of people were like, there's no way she would have
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: taken this medication if she So this obviously made her
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: parents very worried because if she was still alive, like
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: if she had been kidnapped or something, she was out
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: there without this medication and that could be very dangerous.
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah. While at her apartment, law enforcement took three hard drives.
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: This was likely to start developing a story suspects persons
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: of interest. You know, most of what they had learned
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: up to this point was through interviews with her friends
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: and her boyfriend and her family, So they need to
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: develop their own idea of who Lauren was, who she knew,
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: et cetera. So that's probably what they took this computer
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: equipment for. It doesn't seem like they were finding anything
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: that was like, oh my gosh, this bombshell in the case.
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: They also obtained the security footage from her complex, and
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: so that's how they pieced together some of the timeline
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: I talked about earlier. Law enforcement was receiving a ton
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: of tips and one they received was an anonymous tip
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: that Lauren may be in Lake Monroe, which was nearby.
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: So on Wednesday, June eighth, they searched Lake Monroe with divers,
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: but unfortunately they did not find anything. Public searches were
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: also happening during this time. Police announced that they were
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: investigating and interviewing people, especially Corey, Mike, Jay, and Jesse.
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: And it has been reported that all three of the
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: or all four the men took polygraph tests, but they
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: were private polygraphs, but they all passed, And from what
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: I could find, they never took police polygraphs, which, like,
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: I don't blame them. I'm not a fan of polygraph test. Like,
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: I'm like ninety five percent sure if I took a
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: polygraph test, I would fail it no matter what, just
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: because like I have anxiety. Yeah, so I'm typically like
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: anytime a polygraph test is talked about I typically ignore it. Yeah,
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: so I don't think that it means anything. You know,
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: they're not amissible in court. They can be very inaccurate,
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: and they did take these private tests. And one of
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: the podcasts that I was listening to in preparation for,
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: you know, and doing my research, it's a podcast called
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: Crime Weekly, and they talked about this case and one
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: of the hosts is a former detective, so he, you know,
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: has done this type of stuff. And he said, oftentimes
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: defense attorneys will have their client take a polygraph test,
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: like a private polygraph test, to see like, Okay, are
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: they lying or are they.
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: Telling her the truth?
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: And he said that if the client fails, they just
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: never release it. But if they.
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: Passed, they're like, say, look look he passed it.
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So I don't I don't blame them for not
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: taking the police polygraph test because if like they failed
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: those just because of them being inaccurate or anxiety or whatever,
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: then everybody would be like, oh my god.
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: They're they're guilty.
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: Guilty.
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: So yeah, all.
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: Right, let's talk a little bit about Corey Rossman and
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: how he was acting after Lauren disappeared. So Corey's attorney
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: Carl Salzman claimed that he had sustained a concussion from
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: being punched by Zach Oakes. They said that because of
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: this concussion, he couldn't remember what happened the rest of
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: the night, But in twenty thirteen, Corey told the Journal
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: News of Westchester, New York that he never said that
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: he lost his memory from that night. He said, quote,
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: you're taking statements that were said by my lawyer. I
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: never said I did or didn't. Which is interesting. Why
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: wouldn't he clear it up, like he just said, I
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: never said if I did or didn't. Why wouldn't he
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: just say I did lose my memory or I didn't
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: lose my memory. And why would that matter?
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: And if the lawyer was claiming that, did they have
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: medical proof to back that up?
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: I have no clue. I've never seen anything about medical proved.
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: And it's like, wouldn't it be better for you to
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: stick with what the lawyer said that you lost your memory,
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: because it's like, Okay, you don't remember, unless you're gonna
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: come out and say, actually, I do remember, and here's
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: what happened.
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: He didn't do that. He just said, no, I didn't.
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: I never said that. He also told The Journal News
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: in twenty thirteen that he had fully cooperated with police,
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: and he claimed that he was being harassed by Lauren's parents.
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: He said, quote, it's inappropriate the way they're harassing people
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: that are also victims in this case. We've done nothing wrong.
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: If we'd done something wrong, we would have been arrested already.
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: Not true, yeah, not true.
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: No, And this is like Lauren's parents responded, and they said,
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: we have never spoken with Corey. They've asked and asked
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: themselves to speak with Corey, and Corey has refused to
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: speak with them. His lawyer even stood them up when
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: they had set a meeting with him. Charlene Spear, Lauren's mom, said, quote,
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: the private investigators have never spoken to Corey, So I
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: don't know how it is we're harassing him other than
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: asking him to talk to the Bloomington Police Department. All
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: of them, meaning all the guys, right, specifically Corey. He's
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: the only one who has not spoken to Lauren's parents
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: through all of this. Jesse did, Jay did not one
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: hundred percent sure Mike did. But I don't think many
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: people suspected Mike necessarily, but I think he did speak
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: with them.
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: And Corey spent the most time with her that evening,
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: So exactly, why not just talk to them and get
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: it over with unless you have something to hide?
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: Yep. Okay, So at this point, Charlene and Rob Spear
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: did believe that the individuals that were with Lauren that
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: night knew more than what they were telling police. They
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: accused Corey and the others of withholding information from police
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: and creating a quote pact of silence. So that's kind
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: of what I was talking about earlier, where you know,
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: they're kind of thinking maybe something happened, and they're all
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: covering for each other.
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, which is so fucked up. Mm hmm, if that's true.
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: Yes. On August sixteenth, twenty eleven, a nine day search
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: at the Sycamore Ridge Landfill began by the Bloomington Police,
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: the IU Police, and the FBI. So this landfill was
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: where trash from Bloomington was sent and there was hope
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: that maybe something connected to Lauren's disappearance would be found there.
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: They combed through forty one hundred tons of garbage over
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: the nine days. Oh my lord, but from everything I
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: could find, they didn't found anything. They didn't find anything
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: in the search okay. In September twenty eleven, Richard bo Didel,
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: the head of a private investigation firm that the Spear
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: is hired, went on Good Day New York. So bo
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: Deedle as he goes by, he is a former New
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: York detective who founded his own PI firm when he retired,
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: and his firm had been hired by the Spear family
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: to look into Lawren's case. Because it's now been a
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: couple months, no real leads, police haven't found anything whatever, right,
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: bo Deedle said that the Bloomington Police was not letting
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: the PI investigators in on the investigation at all when
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: he was on Good Day New York, but he later
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: made a public apology saying he sometimes opens his mouth
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: without thinking first.
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: So in response to this, Bloomington Police, the Bloomington Police
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: chief he said that they had sat down with the
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: PI firm, but quote, a police partnership with a private
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: agency is unethical and contrary to standard police practice, and
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: standard policy is to not reveal pertinent information to anybody
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: outside of law enforcement. Yeah, which I get that. Because
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: it had only been a couple months, you know, they're
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: still probably interviewing people and working through all of this,
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: but I also get their frustration, like bo Ditle's frustration
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: and the Spear family's frustration because they're trying. They hired
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: this PI and they're still not getting anywhere. Yeah, so
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: there aren't really any major leads at this point. Jesse
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: Wolfe had spoken with the Spears, but he graduated college
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: in December and he went back to New York, and
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: according to one report that I read, he essentially cut
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: off all communication with the family, which made the Spears
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: sad because it was like, you know, Lauren had been
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: in his family lives for a while, he had been
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: in their lives for a while, but again, you know,
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: he was probably in a very rough state. He lost
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: the love of his life, and I'm sure and then
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: he was also on top of just losing her, he
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: was being accused by people, even if it wasn't directly
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: the Spears. He probably needed that distance.
• 42:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: On January seventeenth, twenty twelve, the Spears celebrated what would
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: have been Lauren's twenty first birthday. They said around this
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: time that they did not think that Lauren had been
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: experimenting with drugs and gotten hurt that way. So they're saying,
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: we don't think that drugs played a part in her disappearance.
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: They believed that she had surrounded herself with people who
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: did not have her best interest at heart. They said
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: that they wished each young man would sit down and
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: speak with them about why they had been so quiet
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: and what exactly happened that night. They also wished that
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: they the men would take police polygraph tests, because they
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: questioned the accuracy of the private ones they had apparently taken, So,
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: you know, the spears basically just I think feel like
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: they're not telling the truth and they're just frustrated that
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: they can't talk to them.
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: I don't blame them, because, like, if you have nothing
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: to hide, you would come forward and just try to
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: help this family. Like what do you have to lose?
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: You know, like, yeah, a little bit of time? Like
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: who cares?
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: That's what bothers me the most about Corey because it's
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: like you, you were with her the most that night.
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: Do they want to talk to you? Like what the hell?
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's an Amazon package? Oh I think it's my
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: Christmas pillow covers.
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: Yay? All good buddy, Makie all like no, it's not
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: someone's here and They're gonna get us.
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: Not much happened in the investigation for the next year.
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: In February twenty thirteen, the reward money had been raised
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: from one hundred thousand to two hundred thousand for any
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: information leading to Lauren's disappearance or inform Lauren's disappearance. Right,
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: But this unfortunately did not bring any more credible tips
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: in and the next couple of years brought almost no
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: movement in the case and the search for Lauren. But
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: that is where we will pick up next episode. Okay,
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: So there is just so much more to dive into
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: with this case, so many theories and leads, and as
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: I said at the beginning, I have gone down so
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: many rabbit holes, so I needed to split this into
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: two so I could fully go through everything. So be
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: sure to tune in Thursday for the next episode all
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: about all the theories and the rest of the investigation
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: over the last eight years. Wow, it gets really crazy,
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: So you guys will not want to miss that. So
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: we'll see you on Thursday, and until then, keep it human.
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: Bye.