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WARNING: Why 80% of Men are INVISIBLE in Modern Dating | Maintaining Frame 167 · Honey Badger Radio

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  Speaker 1: Good morning, good afternoon, good evening, wherever you may be,
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  Speaker 1: and welcome back to Honey Badger Radio. My name is Brian.
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  Speaker 1: I'm here with Allison and this is maintaining frame number
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  Speaker 1: one sixty seven warning why eighty percent of men are
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  Speaker 1: invisible in modern dating. Yeah, we're gonna be yep, we're
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  Speaker 1: gonna be looking at a clip from a longer podcast
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  Speaker 1: from a channel call The Diary of a CEO. We
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  Speaker 1: covered a different show, I think, last week with Karen.
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  Speaker 1: It looks like he's been trying to tackle this topic,
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  Speaker 1: grapple with it.
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  Speaker 2: The usual tools, the usual techniques, basically blaming men and
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  Speaker 2: then also blaming men. That's what I assume. I have
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  Speaker 2: to watched this. So yeah, so I could be completely
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  Speaker 2: out out to lunch on them blaming men. You know,
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  Speaker 2: I could be just a shot in the dark and
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  Speaker 2: I missed, but I guess we'll find out.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so we're gonna be doing that today and hopefully
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  Speaker 1: you guys will join us for this. I am ultimately
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  Speaker 1: encouraged because I think that it's obviously getting to the
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  Speaker 1: point now where this can't be brush under the rug,
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  Speaker 1: This can't be ignored, and I think that people are
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  Speaker 1: starting to really worry, and I think they should so
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  Speaker 1: will will they? Will they actually be able to navigate this?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, because it's going to require something that
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  Speaker 1: a lot of people are not prepared to do. So
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  Speaker 1: we'll we'll see if they are going to find the
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  Speaker 1: courage to do. No, I can get away from it.
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  Speaker 2: You got to do the thing that nobody wants to do.
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  Speaker 1: Yep. So yeah, that's inevitably going to happen. But before
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  Speaker 2: I think, yeah, all right, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Let's do it. So let's play this. So just to
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  Speaker 1: like kind of like help set things up, you have
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  Speaker 1: the host of Diary of a CEO, and he is
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  Speaker 1: speaking with two guests. One is a woman named Logan
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  Speaker 1: Yuri or Uri it's u r I or u R
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  Speaker 1: y rather, who is a behavioral scientist, dating coach and
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  Speaker 1: the director of Relationship Science at HINGE, where she leads
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  Speaker 1: a research team focused on helping people find love. So
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  Speaker 1: she works for Hinge, which is one of these dating apps.
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  Speaker 1: She authored the best selling book How to Not Die Alone,
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  Speaker 1: a data driven guide to Modern Dating. Then you have
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  Speaker 1: Scott Galloway, who is the other guest. Scott Galloway is
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  Speaker 1: an American public speaker, academic author, podcast host, and serial entrepreneur.
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  Speaker 1: He's a clinical Professor of Marketing at NYU's Stern School
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  Speaker 1: of Business, where he teaches brand strategy and digital marketing
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  Speaker 1: to second year MBA students. So these are the two
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  Speaker 1: people that are on the show with the host. I
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  Speaker 1: forget his name, but you know the guy at Diary
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  Speaker 1: of a CEO, I don't remember his name, And they're
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  Speaker 1: going to be talking about what's going on with modern dating.
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  Speaker 1: So let's go ahead and let's play a little bit
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  Speaker 1: of the intro and I do have some time codes.
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  Speaker 2: What oh no, I just said, Let's do it like
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  Speaker 2: just generic confirmation.
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  Speaker 3: If there's fewer and fewer men that are hypergamus mates
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  Speaker 3: for women, So if there's a much smaller pool of guys,
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  Speaker 3: then what you have is you have a bunch of
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  Speaker 3: women competing for the same men, and then a bunch
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  Speaker 3: of guys get ignored. But what I also see is
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  Speaker 3: that those top guys are having a hard time deciding.
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  Speaker 3: So I feel like in my coaching practice as a
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  Speaker 3: dating coach, I'm working with a lot of women who say,
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  Speaker 3: what do I do change my profile the way you
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  Speaker 3: said I should? I took your class, but I still
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  Speaker 3: feel like there's just not enough great guys. And then
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  Speaker 3: I work with these CEO men who are having such
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  Speaker 3: a hard time choosing, and so I think we really
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  Speaker 3: have this exacerbated problem where so many women are competing
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  Speaker 3: for the same men and then a bunch of guys
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  Speaker 3: are getting ignored.
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  Speaker 2: And can I can? I?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I just wanted to let her get that out.
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  Speaker 2: This woman is not gonna do anything like, literally what
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  Speaker 2: the only way you can stop competing for with other
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  Speaker 2: women for the CEOs is to stop competing with the
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  Speaker 2: other women for the CEOs. That's the only way that's
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  Speaker 2: gonna end for most women. And so does she at
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  Speaker 2: any point say, hey, ladies, not if you all want
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  Speaker 2: a CEO, you're gonna have to share them?
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  Speaker 1: No?
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  Speaker 2: Yes, please? Am I have I just gone to put
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  Speaker 2: because of voidcats?
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  Speaker 1: Okay, that's I mean, we're basically looking at a situation
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  Speaker 1: where there are men who have harems, yes, and they
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  Speaker 1: don't want harems. They want one woman.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah okay, so yeah, the CEOs want one woman, and
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  Speaker 2: all of these women want this dude, and they're just
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  Speaker 2: not going to get him because the very act of
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  Speaker 2: all of them going for the CEO is meaning that
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  Speaker 2: none of them get one. Wow. This is like, I
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  Speaker 2: don't want to put any words in her mouth because
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  Speaker 2: I've only listened like what forty four seconds of her Uh.
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  Speaker 2: But if this doesn't go to women need to rethink
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  Speaker 2: their standards, then, like I said, I don't think she's
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  Speaker 2: going to do anything beneficial. Excuse me?
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  Speaker 1: All right, all right, let's play some more.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, voidcat attacking my throat. Ah, she's attacking my throat
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  Speaker 4: with her hair. M Sorry, she's discovered a new vector
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  Speaker 4: of attack.
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  Speaker 1: Miyah.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, Mia, voidcat, she's discovered a new way to
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  Speaker 2: destroy the stream. She's gonna attack my vocal cords directly
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  Speaker 2: with her freaking allergetic, super allergetic hairs. Okay. The other
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  Speaker 2: thing I wanted to point out is it's good that somebody,
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  Speaker 2: some woman here, is finally admitting what's actually going on.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, this is what I mean. Why I say that
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  Speaker 1: I am encouraged because this is something you wouldn't even
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  Speaker 1: have wanted to see much less actually see even less
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  Speaker 1: point out in a conversation on the internet with a
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  Speaker 1: very large channel. So also we'll look at the comments
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  Speaker 1: later if there's time, because they're pretty great too. Like
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  Speaker 1: the comments under this video are very critical of the
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  Speaker 1: fact that these people, they're calling them ten years late
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  Speaker 1: to this conversation.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, no, no, no, rap, Like, oh my god,
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  Speaker 2: ten years Late's that's that's being generous. Fifteen is probably
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  Speaker 2: the minimum.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, all right, let's keep going.
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  Speaker 3: Where did those guys go? And they go online?
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  Speaker 5: That's what you see porn.
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  Speaker 3: They go to porn, or they go to Reddit. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: I love Reddit, but they're really going to some of
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  Speaker 3: these red pilled communities. And so what you're seeing now
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  Speaker 3: is just men really opting out of society. So when
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  Speaker 3: you go back to that stat, one in seven young
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  Speaker 3: men in the UK is neat not an employment, education
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  Speaker 3: or training. They have just opted out. And as God says,
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  Speaker 3: there's nothing scarier than a single man, a young single man.
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  Speaker 3: And so what you're just creating a lot of these
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  Speaker 3: angry young single men who are saying, well, this is
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  Speaker 3: rigged against me, and so that's why I am worried
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  Speaker 3: about the rock. It is like Andrew Tate and if
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  Speaker 3: we wonder where are the dads?
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  Speaker 2: Where are the men?
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  Speaker 3: Well, men are finding these father figures, but they're finding
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  Speaker 3: them online and they're not the father figures that I
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  Speaker 3: would choose for the majority of men.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but they are the father figures that women chose
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  Speaker 2: for the majority of men. They chose them by getting
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  Speaker 2: rid of the actual fathers.
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  Speaker 1: Yep.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, this is like, it's great that we're actually admitting
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  Speaker 2: the situation for what it is, but if we can't
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  Speaker 2: acknowledge why it is the way it is, we're never
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  Speaker 2: going to get out of it. We're just going to
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  Speaker 2: be on a loop of saying, oh, hi, Brazil is sinking.
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  Speaker 2: But while we can'tn't we can't actually talk about why,
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  Speaker 2: because that's verboten. Can't We can't criticize the the the
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  Speaker 2: real people in the world. We can't criticize the ones
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  Speaker 2: who did this. Where are the fathers? How come? Okay,
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  Speaker 2: let me put it this way. How come when men
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  Speaker 2: supposedly had the ability to divorce, almost every kid had
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  Speaker 2: a father in his life. And then we gave women,
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  Speaker 2: supposedly because I don't think it actually worked out this way.
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  Speaker 2: We gave women the ability to divorce, and essentially we
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  Speaker 2: created a situation where divorce became men at fault divorce.
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  Speaker 2: So women not only got the ability to divorce, but
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  Speaker 2: they were incentivized to do so, and we tried to
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  Speaker 2: continuously reduce the cost of doing so. When we did
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  Speaker 2: that for women, suddenly fifty percent of kids don't know
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  Speaker 2: their dads. Why is that? And but but of course,
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  Speaker 2: whose fault is it? Patriarch? Patriarch?
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  Speaker 1: Men aren't stepping up, Men aren't stepping up something something
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  Speaker 1: something Adam try, yeah, yeah, something something heal the will
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  Speaker 1: of Adam?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah. Also, uh, somehow, the one person with the
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  Speaker 2: least control, the least ability to influence whether or not
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  Speaker 2: he has a relationship with his kid, the father is
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  Speaker 2: the one most responsible. Even the kid had more control
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  Speaker 2: over whether or not they have a relationship with their
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  Speaker 2: father than their father does. And that's not even talking
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  Speaker 2: about the mom. If we have a fatherlessness epidemic, it's
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  Speaker 2: because moms have been kicking fathers out of their kids' lives, period,
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  Speaker 2: full stop, and until that stops Andrew.
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  Speaker 1: Tate, notice is what is the motivation to try and
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  Speaker 1: address this? What is their motivation? What is this woman
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  Speaker 1: saying when like, why is she suddenly concerned about this issue?
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  Speaker 1: Did you notice?
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  Speaker 2: Hmmm, because not every woman can get a CEO.
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  Speaker 1: But no, no, no, well that's not what I was thinking.
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  Speaker 1: But a motive for her to bring this up is
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  Speaker 1: not I want to maximize people's chances of healthy relationships,
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  Speaker 1: in particular men. That's not her motivation. It sounds like
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  Speaker 1: her motivation is if we don't do something, the scary
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  Speaker 1: single men are going to do something to us. You
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  Speaker 1: see what they'll do.
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  Speaker 2: They'll stop delivering power to your house, Like men don't
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  Speaker 2: have to do anything aggressive to absolutely HOOPU lady.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but she's afraid they will. Yeah, they're all afraid
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  Speaker 1: they will, even though the worst thing that will probably
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  Speaker 1: happen is, yeah, they'll just they'll just stop giving you
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  Speaker 1: their labor.
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  Speaker 2: They'll just stop. They'll withdraw their labor from society, which
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  Speaker 2: they've already started to do. Young men have withdrawn their
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  Speaker 2: labor from society. And that's all they need to do
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  Speaker 2: is withdraw their labor from society. That's it and we're hooped. No,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, probably more likely is that the young men
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  Speaker 2: who you've imported from another culture will all start to
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  Speaker 2: rally behind some kind of Genghis Khan. I don't know
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  Speaker 2: if I'm allowed to say this, but that's much more
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  Speaker 2: likely and then take over this culture, as has happened
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  Speaker 2: many times in the past. So yeah, but the men
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  Speaker 2: in your culture are probably just going to silently withdraw,
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  Speaker 2: and many of them aren't going to do it consciously
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  Speaker 2: or and intentionally. They're just going to do it because
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  Speaker 2: it's overwhelming the messages that they're getting. And then the
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  Speaker 2: other thing is that she's talking about these women all
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  Speaker 2: going after a CEO. When in history did women all
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  Speaker 2: get CEOs? At one point in history? Was there such
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  Speaker 2: a glut of CEOs that every woman could get one?
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  Speaker 2: The answer is nowhere in history. Therefore, every woman wanting
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  Speaker 2: a man who is a CEO or the equivalent is dysfunctional.
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  Speaker 2: And unless we're willing to shame women for trying to
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  Speaker 2: punch well above their weight, the situation doesn't change or
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  Speaker 2: guilt them whatever it needs, whatever needs to be done.
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  Speaker 2: And and unfortunately, if we don't have family formation, we
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  Speaker 2: don't have an incentive structure. Because the thing is that
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  Speaker 2: I get into these arguments with communists on Twitter. I
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  Speaker 2: know this must be shocking to you all. And of course,
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  Speaker 2: the quickest way to turn a communist into a their
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  Speaker 2: stereotype of an arch capitalist conservative is to talk about
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  Speaker 2: men's issues. The instant anybody, what we start talking about
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  Speaker 2: giving men anything, communists lose their communism. It's amazing. It's
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  Speaker 2: like exorcism, you know. You just say men's issues, and
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  Speaker 2: a communist.
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  Speaker 6: Is like, oh, no, bootstraps, everybody needs to work. That
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  Speaker 6: men need to work, They need to man up, they
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  Speaker 6: need to bootstraps themselves up. They don't get anything instantaneously.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, if our society had actually embraced men's issues
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  Speaker 6: from the beginning, there would be no communism because it's
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  Speaker 6: like it just leaves.
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  Speaker 2: Their bodies just goes whew, it's gone. But unfortunately that's
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  Speaker 2: not the way it works. But anyway, I get into
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  Speaker 2: arguments with communists and they tell me that man, I boidcat.
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  Speaker 2: She's eating my thoughts. She's discovered a new power. So
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  Speaker 2: I get into arguments with communists, Sorry about that, guys.
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  Speaker 1: And.
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  Speaker 2: They tell me that men aren't owed a family and
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  Speaker 2: they aren't owed a wife by participation in society. But
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  Speaker 2: here's the issue. If men don't have those incentives to
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  Speaker 2: doing the jobs that need to be done, which are
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  Speaker 2: ninety seven percent men. So that's the roofing, that's the
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  Speaker 2: sewer work, that's the power that lin linemen, that's garbage men,
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  Speaker 2: that's logging, like everything that was required for our society
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  Speaker 2: to run ninety seven percent men. If men don't have
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  Speaker 2: an incentive structure when it comes to improving their situation
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  Speaker 2: socially in terms of gaining a wife and children, those
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  Speaker 2: jobs are going to have to pay them more to compensate.
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  Speaker 2: So if you could have a wife and kid on
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  Speaker 2: like a fifteen hour hour, a fifteen hour, fifteen bucks
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  Speaker 2: an hour wage job, then you would take it. And
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  Speaker 2: these men will do that. But if they can't have
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  Speaker 2: a wife and kids, they're gonna want three hundred and
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  Speaker 2: fifty dollars an hour, right, They're gonna want that additional compensation,
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  Speaker 2: which means the only people who will be able to
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  Speaker 2: afford to turn the lights on will be the super wealthy.
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  Speaker 2: So I mean that's something to consider. Like if and
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  Speaker 2: they say, well, men aren't owed this stuff, fine, they're
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  Speaker 2: not owed this stuff. But if men start demanding unbelievable
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  Speaker 2: wages to do the very necessary jobs for everybody to survive,
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  Speaker 2: it's gonna get harry and it's gonna get along uncomfortable
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  Speaker 2: for everyone. All Right, I'm done. My rant vodkasts is
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  Speaker 2: quiescent from.
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  Speaker 1: The moment, So I want to I have some videos
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  Speaker 1: pulled up just to like give a little bit of contrast,
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  Speaker 1: because I feel like they're talking about men, but they're
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  Speaker 1: not really getting the female perspective here. So here's we
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  Speaker 1: were just talking about what women are going for. So
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  Speaker 1: here's a woman giving her opinion on standards. He's gonna
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  Speaker 1: just just throwing it out there so you guys can
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  Speaker 1: see it.
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  Speaker 7: There's no such thing as a woman having high standards.
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  Speaker 7: It's men who have high entitlements and low effort. We're
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  Speaker 7: not fucking buying it anymore, thank you. There's no such
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  Speaker 7: thing as a woman.
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  Speaker 1: So you know that's basically it. Guys, women don't there's
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  Speaker 1: no such thing as a woman with high standards. And
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  Speaker 1: they're gonna wrestle with this. They're gonna have to wrestle
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  Speaker 1: with this. You can, like you you're not even allowed
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  Speaker 1: to call it delusional, even though it obviously is. So
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  Speaker 1: now we're just now that's where we are. Women expect this.
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  Speaker 1: Men are just gonna have to keep on stepping up
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  Speaker 1: or step out. And if they step out, then these
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  Speaker 1: people are gonna pontificate about how that's a problem that
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  Speaker 1: needs to be a instead of actually addressing the fucking problem.
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  Speaker 1: So let's get to the next time code.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, thighs from even getting into the club. So many
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  Speaker 3: women in the US set their height filters at six feet,
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  Speaker 3: but only fourteen percent of men in the US are
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  Speaker 3: six feet or taller. So what happens to the other
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  Speaker 3: eighty six percent of men? And women are saying where's
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  Speaker 3: my guy? It's like, well, he's not even showing up
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  Speaker 3: on your app. And so a huge thing that I
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  Speaker 3: push women to do is to change their height filters
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  Speaker 3: and just say, there is nothing that proves that you're
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  Speaker 3: going to have a successful long term relationship if the
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  Speaker 3: guy is higher. I'm married to a short king. I
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  Speaker 3: love it. I feel like I really found this gem,
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  Speaker 3: and I think that so many women are missing out
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  Speaker 3: on great potential partners because of things like height.
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  Speaker 1: Oh good, It's too bad, though.
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  Speaker 7: Because the thing is a woman having high standards if
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  Speaker 7: men who have high entitlements and low effort fucking buying
• 19:00
  Speaker 7: it anymore?
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: Thank you.
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: Okay, I'm just gonna keep playing obnoxious women online videos
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: to respond. I don't even have to make arguments myself.
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: I'll let the women speak for themselves, all right, all right,
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: let me see what's the next time code I got here? Sorry,
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: it's fine.
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: I'm like coughing like crazy here, so don't worry about it.
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: I'm hoping I'm muting in time.
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 19:34
  Speaker 8: Good's point as well about they will date one of
• 19:37
  Speaker 8: the men in the top ten percent, Yeah, sleep with
• 19:40
  Speaker 8: him potentially, and then that kind of adjust their standards
• 19:43
  Speaker 8: and may expect all of the men to meet that standard.
• 19:45
  Speaker 8: But there isn't just there wasn't enough men to meet
• 19:46
  Speaker 8: that standard, is there.
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: I haven't specifically heard that.
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: I mean, there is a lot of evidence around a
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: sort of mating that people sort of have an internal
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: sense of how attractive they are and that they end
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: up with someone similar to that. But a sort of
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: mating is different than hyper which is really this idea,
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: as Scott said, that women tend to date horizontally end
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: up and men date horizontally and down.
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: So if you have, well, I got something for you
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: for that. Listen.
• 20:13
  Speaker 9: Reminder for you, ladies and gentlemen, you are hot, so
• 20:16
  Speaker 9: acts like it. If you act like you're sad and
• 20:19
  Speaker 9: like only no one's gonna fucking like you, be confident.
• 20:24
  Speaker 9: Bit you're hot, own it be hot.
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: So they're hot because they said so, didn't she?
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: She didn't she say that to ladies and gentlemen.
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: So presumably ladies and gentlemen, But somehow I don't think
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: she means the men. Yes, and men. You know what,
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: I also think, Alison, that men intuitively know that they
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: can't just will themselves to be attractive. That's a woman thing,
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: that's not a man thing.
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, Actually, just to unpack that a bit, I
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: have had these discussions where I have called women out
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: for their behavior, and I have done the dread thing
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: of blaming women, which is verboten. But I, as I say,
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: as I continuously say, we should be as comfortable blaming
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: women as we are blaming men. Otherwise we're getting nowhere.
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: So I blame women for something and I point out
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: their behavior, and I've had people come in and just
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: do the milk toast thing of all people should all people,
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, every time they say that, what they're
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: doing is neutralizing, targeting women for blame when women are
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: actually doing something that they should be blamed for. So
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: then they say all people. Like I'll say something like
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: women need to have reasonable standards, and they'll say all
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: people need to have reasonable standards. I'm like, no, no,
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: no's stop here. Women need to women need to women
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: need to have reasonable standards, not all people. Because men
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: have reasonable standards, women do not. If men if it
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: was left up to men, Okay, let's just do a
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: thought experiment. Men get to select their partner. Right, all
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: the women of the earth are in a line and
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: men just choose one. How many relationships do you think
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: would there would be at the end of the day
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: if women men were doing the selecting I would guess
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: probably in the nineties. But if women are doing the selecting,
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: how many relationships are at the end of the day
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: ten in the tens, twenties maybe maybe? Yeah, Okay, that's
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: the problem. That's the problem. The problem is that women
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: are the ones that are gatekeeping the potential relationships, and
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: they're gatekeeping them too hard. If you handed that over
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: to men, we'd all be paired up and probably progressing
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: towards Mars by now, or not beyond Mars, we'd be
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: progressing towards Alpha centauri.
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: Okay, all right, um, let me check my timecodes again.
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: You know what, we can place more of this because
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: it kind of goes into something else that I think
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: is good.
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: Two thirds of women who are college and one third
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: of college gods who are men, and some of them
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: are going to date women without college degrees. You truly
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: do have this dating crisis where there's just not enough
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: men to meet this hypergamus meeting.
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: Guys would college degrees, they could have PhDs. They'll date
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: the fucking waitress at waffle house if she's nice to him.
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: They're not concerned with what women have in terms of
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: their material worth. They should probably be a little bit
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: more concerned, but they're not.
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: So Yeah. Yeah, you know, before in society's past, women
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: had to bring something to marriage. Now that they bring
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: is debt.
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right, all right. Anyway, So it's just kind
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: of silly because they're still the thing is that what
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: I'm getting is that this woman sorry I forgot her name,
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: but I have it here logan. She is still kind
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: of like analyzing this in an egalitarian like, you know,
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: men have this and women have this, and let's like
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: measure these against each other in this egalitarian way. But
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: that's not how people are concerned with mating. I mean,
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: women are not looking for someone that's doing about as
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: well as them. They're looking for someone that's doing way
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: better than them. And men don't even care what women
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: are doing, like they probably should a little bit, but
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: they don't. They just want her to be nice to them,
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: you know. So like, look, look at what happened with
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: this whole Sidney Sweeney thing. Do you know about this, Allison, No,
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: tell me so. Sidney Sweeney is an actress, blonde, blue eyed,
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: you know, pretty, I mean not like a not complete knockout,
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: but like attractive enough to be an actress, you know,
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: nice boobs and all that. And she did some ads
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: for American Eagle jeans and women were losing their shit
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: over it, and it was really because Sidney Sweeney. This
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: is the thing that she does. Okay, she is a
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: person that does not openly attack men and does not
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: engage in intersexual competition like you know, like she doesn't,
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: but she also doesn't like support the sisterhood blindly, right,
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: So men like her for that. It's not even it's
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: not even the bare minimum. It's just like she's just
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: not going after men. She's a celebrity, that's high status,
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: that's not talking about the patriarchy all the time. She's
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: not going after men, and she's pretty, and so women
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: are losing their shit over it all over the place.
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: And on top of that, so someone did a poll
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: on x and they took a picture of Sidney Sweeney,
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: who is basically like the it girl right now with men.
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: The women think she's a Nazi because she's blonde and
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: blue eyed and did a commercial about jeans, and they
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: compared Sydney Sweeney to like this random, like Japanese salary
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: woman that was wearing like a suit and she had
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: a cute expression. I could find the image if you
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: want to see it. And the men in most polls,
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: men overwhelmingly voted in favor of the Japanese salary woman,
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: like no name, no status, not famous, like cute, but
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: that's it, not a bombshell, not even showing any skin.
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: Even the Sydney Sweety images weren't showing that much skin,
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: and like people couldn't understand it because they had this
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: preconceived notion about what men like. That's like this cartoonish thing,
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: you know, where they want, like all men want Jessica
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: Rabbit or something in a bikini. And it turns out that,
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: you know, this plain looking salary woman was like really
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: popular with men because the first thing they thought was, Oh,
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: she looks like she's a nice girl that knows how
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: to cook, you know, like just a person that would
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: bring me a sense of peace and quiet to my home.
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: That may not be true because she's still a woman,
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: but I'm saying that based on the surface level of stuff.
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: You know, this is what I mean. Like, men are
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: not in any way hypergamus like that, you know.
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: No, no, they just want a woman. Yeah yeah, somebody
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: who makes them feel useful and happy occasionally you know, yeah,
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: bakes cookies. Although I mean I don't do that, but
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: I like, if I can get a partner, any woman
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: can get a partner. Let me tell you, And what
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: what's actually happening is that women are shooting too high.
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: And I know that for a fact because I have
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: been married for like twenty seven years, and the twenty
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: five years actually and or something like that. And I
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: am no prize by any stretch of the imagination. So yeah,
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: all of you, you have no excuse. Okay, all right.
• 27:53
  Speaker 5: Anyway, again, you can't tell women to lower their expectations,
• 27:57
  Speaker 5: but this is the reality when you ask them, man,
• 28:00
  Speaker 5: if you could have a woman who had eighty percent
• 28:02
  Speaker 5: of everything you wanted seventy five percent, say yeah, I'm
• 28:05
  Speaker 5: on board. When you say to a woman, a man
• 28:07
  Speaker 5: has eighty percent of what you want seventy five percent,
• 28:10
  Speaker 5: say that's that's not enough.
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: There it is. This is I don't know if this
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: is like a real stat I think it might be,
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: but that's very telling. Like men are way more willing
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: to settle. Now, of course, the kind of men that
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: women pursue probably don't because the other men don't exist
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: to them. They're like not people, as whole math would say. So,
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: but the men who are not people, they would probably
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: be fine with, you know, Like he said, just in
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: case you guys didn't hear it, he said that men
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: were asked if a woman had eighty percent of everything
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: they wanted, which means twenty percent of what they don't,
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: would they be okay with that? And he said seventy
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: five percent of men said, yeah, that's fine, like you know,
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: like they know that they're just sort of like shooting
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: for the moon. And then this and when they reverse
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: that and you ask women, if here's a man, he
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: has eighty percent of all the things you're looking for,
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: seventy percent of women will say, no, that's not going
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: to work.
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: Mm hmm. And consider also that we're starting with vastly
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: different amounts of criteria between men and women, Like what
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: would men's criteria be? Nice, non abusive, you know, not
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: completely broke, like isn't in one hundred thousand in debts?
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: Not not huge, but you know, okay looking? And then
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: eighty percent of that is what like what do you
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: what do you drop in there? Nice? Are you are
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: you dropping nice? Are you dropping broke? Are you dropping okay? Looking?
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: Right? What? What?
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: What? What part? What part are you dropping? Because they're
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: already at bare minimum, Like I can tell you what
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: they're they because I've seen it. I've seen absolutely fit
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: men dating women who they're not slobs. They're not like gigantic,
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: but they are not fit. They are you could probably
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: say they are plump in some cases or reasonably sized,
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: but they aren't super super fit. Like the guy looks
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: like he's his second job is the gym, and she
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: looks like her second job is Krispy Kremes. Like that,
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: I can so I can see that men are already
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: dropping that twenty percent. And probably what's happening is that
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: woman is nice to him. He's nice. She's nice, she's
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: she's pretty, if not perfectly fit, and she's not one
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: hundred thousand dollars in debt because she's an avocado toast
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: job woman who has a degree in uh, gender weaving.
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: Like so that you know, that's that's what I'm saying.
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: So when men drop twenty percent of their standards, they're
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: dropping a lot. Whereas when women drop twenty percent of
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: their standards, what are they doing? They're dropping from I
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: don't know, two million a year to the man must
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: make one point eight million a year or no, one
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: point six million a year. Uh, they're dropping it from
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: six foot five to six foot three six foot one
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: oh short man lit size. Right, they're dropping from a
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: twelve pack to a six pack? Like what are they
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: dropping when they drop twenty percent of their standards? So
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: this is even worse than he's making it out to
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: be sure.
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: No, I get it. Yeah, the real problem.
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: The real problem is this. Women's standards are does he
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: make my girlfriends jealous? Does he make my girlfriends want
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: to steal him from me? Right, that's their standard. But
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: the problem is that only a fraction of men in
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: any given popular can live up to that standard. Because
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: if you think about it, if all of her girlfriends
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: are with men who are about as attractive as they are,
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: none of them are going to make you know, And
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: she gets a man who's about as attractive as she is,
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: as about attractive as their girlfriends aren't as about as
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: attractive as their partners are, They're not gonna want to
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: steal him. They're not going to be jealous because everybody's
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: got the same thing. No, she has to get a
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: ten percent man, a twenty percent man, a ten percent man,
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: a five percent man, depending on where she is, in
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: order to make her girlfriends jealous and to feel that
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: sense that he could leave, which you know, makes her
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: excited by his presence. And that's it doesn't even matter
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: what ten percent. If everybody in the population, every man
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: is obese, then ten percent is the guys who are
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: mildly obese rather than morbidly obese. But it's always that
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: ten percent. And if every I is super fit like
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: Chris Helmsworth, then it's the super super fit chrims helves
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: Worth ten percent that the women are going to go for.
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: So this is a problem with how women are selecting
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: their partners, and there's nowhere that we can go to
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: solve it that doesn't involve getting them to knock knock
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: it the f off, like getting women to take responsibility
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: and knock it the f off. Okay, all right, let's
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: place some war of this.
• 33:33
  Speaker 5: Sure if you but even look at the media right
• 33:36
  Speaker 5: right right, what is the media tell a woman to do.
• 33:38
  Speaker 5: He's out, but he didn't open your door, he's not
• 33:41
  Speaker 5: nice to his parents. You'd walk walk right out on
• 33:44
  Speaker 5: that man. Like it's literally every piece of media is
• 33:47
  Speaker 5: you don't need him. You're a strong, independent woman. Pull
• 33:50
  Speaker 5: the ripcord, you're out, and it is that The basic
• 33:57
  Speaker 5: kind of communication around this is you are a strong, independent,
• 34:01
  Speaker 5: powerful woman. That is wonderful and quite frankly, you don't
• 34:04
  Speaker 5: need the imperfect man. And they're just not they're just
• 34:09
  Speaker 5: not connecting. I read that on tender. A man of
• 34:13
  Speaker 5: average attractiveness has to swipe wright two hundred times to
• 34:17
  Speaker 5: get one coffee, and then four of those five coffees
• 34:22
  Speaker 5: will ghost him. They will they will decide they don't
• 34:26
  Speaker 5: want to meet him, or they won't show up. That
• 34:29
  Speaker 5: means a guy of average attractiveness has to swipe right
• 34:32
  Speaker 5: a thousand times to get one coffee. Now what does
• 34:35
  Speaker 5: that tell that guy? Women don't value me, Women make
• 34:39
  Speaker 5: me feel rejected. And then they go online and they
• 34:42
  Speaker 5: meet they see these misogynists telling them it's not your fault.
• 34:46
  Speaker 5: What man become much more import I.
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: Know that was a plot twist, right like suddenly, and
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: it's weird. It's like he's he lays out men struggle
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: and their frustration and immediately says and then for some reason,
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: these misogynists come out of the woodwork and tell them
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: it's not your fault. Well, is it his fault?
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: What did you just say, sir? What did you just
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: lay out to the audience, sir? What did you just
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: elaborate upon, sir? At what point in that long explanation
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: did it become men's fault? Like, let me tell you,
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: if the average woman did not find the average man
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: attractive for a substantial length of time, throughout human history,
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: we wouldn't be here. Yes, there are the genetic pinch points,
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: but for the most part, we pair bond. For most
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: societies that have polygamy or poly polygamy with just women,
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: I'm not going to say, because I know I'm going
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: to mispronounce the word that multiple women with a man.
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: Most societies still paarabond. They still have monogamy. That's their majority.
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: And in fact, I think the polygony polygyny, polygony is
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: act sorry polygony, I think, yeah, polygony. I think the
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: polygony is actually functioning as a sort of like a
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: way of maintaining the monogamy. So these societies are forced
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: to embrace it in order to maintain their monogamy. And
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: I have an elaborate explanation for why. But the ultimate
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: point is that even those societies that embrace polygony are
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: mostly monogamous. And if you look at those pinch points
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: throughout history, you know the usual statistic is seventeen men
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: reproduced for everyone woman. Yes, there were points in history,
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: two points in history where something like that was true,
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: but they don't know why. It could have been a
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: social thing, it could have been a whole bunch of
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: men died from a disease or a war. Right, because
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: immediately before and immediately after these pinch points, everybody went
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: back to mostly paara bonding with maybe a little bit
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: of polygony. Right. So this is if at any point
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: the average woman didn't find the average man attractive, we
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: wouldn't be here. Most of us are the result of
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: average women finding the average man attractive. And honestly, the
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: most successful societies are one in which the most men
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: and the most women pair up. That's that's according to
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: Unwin and his survey The Sex and Society I believe.
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: Sexuality in Society I believe is the book, and he
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: did a survey of many, many societies in the world,
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: and he found that monogamy and chastity were the two
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: biggest predictors for technological progress and social cohesion and peace.
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: You can't get away from it, Okay, Nope, all right?
• 38:12
  Speaker 5: Prone to misogynistic content, much more prone to nationalistic content
• 38:17
  Speaker 5: blaming other people.
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: Isn't it weird? He's nationalistic content? But why is that
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: a problem? Like more prone to nationalistic content? Like why
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: are you problematizing nationalism? What does that even have to
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: do with men failing to find a date. I like,
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: feel like this guy's worrying about things tangential to the
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: actual issue, and it just I find him sus is
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: all I'm saying.
• 38:41
  Speaker 5: But anyway, people for the lack of economic opportunity, they
• 38:45
  Speaker 5: start sequestioning from society. I worry that we are literally
• 38:48
  Speaker 5: evolving a new species of asexual asocial mail. And if
• 38:53
  Speaker 5: a man by the age of thirty hasn't either lived
• 38:56
  Speaker 5: with someone or married someone, there's a one in three
• 38:58
  Speaker 5: chance he's gonna have a substance abuse problem.
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  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: So here's like there's a random stat that popped up
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: on the screen. Oh, I did get a super chat
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: I should read. Let me read that first five dollars
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: from Zara Axy says, are we dubbing sweet woman as
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: a technical term? Brian? Can we do that? I mean,
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: I don't know, I guess, but thank you for that
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: to find like some more examples of one so that
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: we can make it into a thing. So doac Information
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: says marriage is associated with a decrease in alcohol, tobacco,
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: and cannabis use. Studies indicate that married individuals generally use
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: these substances less than those who are single, divorced, or separated.
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: That doesn't necessarily mean addiction, though, But I could see
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: that if you have more free time because you're not married,
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: you're not raising children, you'll probably find more like you'll
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: spend more time with diversions. But I don't necessarily have
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: a problem with it as long as it's not you know,
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: accept sive and destructive.
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: So all right, can I do a Can I do
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: a shout out? Like a some arm twisting? All right,
• 40:08
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• 40:45
  Speaker 2: Let's let's do some more.
• 40:46
  Speaker 5: All right, Let's do that In addition, it goes so
• 40:49
  Speaker 5: much deeper than that because if they don't develop the skills.
• 40:55
  Speaker 5: You know, the reason romantic comedies are two hours not
• 40:56
  Speaker 5: fifteen minutes is this shit is hard, like finding it
• 40:59
  Speaker 5: a track. Active intelligent women generally speaking, at seventy five
• 41:02
  Speaker 5: percent of people who been married longer than thirty years say,
• 41:04
  Speaker 5: in the beginning one was much more interested than the other,
• 41:07
  Speaker 5: and it was almost bill with the man. Women are
• 41:09
  Speaker 5: much choosier. The basic the basis of evolution is seed
• 41:13
  Speaker 5: trying to get everywhere men and women deploying a much
• 41:16
  Speaker 5: finer filter to select the strongest, smartest and past.
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well men need let's.
• 41:23
  Speaker 5: See, men need an environment to demonstrate excellence. And you
• 41:27
  Speaker 5: hear these women talk about it. He was kind, he
• 41:29
  Speaker 5: was good at work. I like the way he smelled.
• 41:32
  Speaker 5: He was funny. Where do men demonstrate excellence when they're
• 41:37
  Speaker 5: not going to college, they're not going into an office
• 41:39
  Speaker 5: because of remote work. Where do they have They're not
• 41:42
  Speaker 5: going to church, you're not going to temple. Where does
• 41:45
  Speaker 5: a woman have the opportunity to fall in love other
• 41:49
  Speaker 5: than these baseline metrics? And you were talking about women,
• 41:54
  Speaker 5: say you've seen these ticktoks over one hundred thousand dollars,
• 41:57
  Speaker 5: that's not unreasonable, and over six feet two point population.
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: Of unreasonable two point two percent of the male population
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: is unreasonable. Like, ladies, you realize that you should be
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: about a super model level if you want over six
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: feet in over one hundred thousand a year, right yeah,
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: think about a two percent woman like two percent up
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: two percent attractiveness in women. Right Like, you should at
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: least be able to be an an extra in a
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: Hollywood movie. Ladies, you know you should be the girl
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: that gets killed first in the slasher film at least
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: in order to get that. Otherwise it's ridiculous. It's a
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: ridiculous expectation.
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, I let this woman respond give an.
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: Ugly guy a chance one time, and then he gets
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: cocky and thinks that he can do better than you.
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: That starts true. You like shit, I'm sorry I let
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: you up into this league. Do you know how ugly
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: you are?
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: Given?
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: Do you think you're in, My dear, he's in the league.
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: That deserves fourteen one point four percent of the population.
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: This is like where they're at. This is why I
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: shared that, because when she says, give an ugly eye
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: a chance. She doesn't mean he looks like Quasimoto because
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: she probably wouldn't have given him a chance. She means
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: he was average and probably wasn't like super high status
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: and didn't make that much money. And even though she's average,
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: she was like, no, he's not on my level. I
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: just know that. So like when these people are talking
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: around like oh, I mean like like women, they're picking
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: from really small but they're not saying we can't change that.
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: Because he even said we're not going to be able
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: to change that. He didn't even want to like address that,
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: he didn't want to tackle that. He just said, well
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: that's not happening. Well, so we're dead. Then we're fucked,
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: We're cooked. It's over. Women will destroy everybody with their
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: fucking pickiness. And that's just it. So electricity and running
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: water while we still have it because it's done.
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: It's not the West. This has going everywhere. Yeah, like
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: only only cultures that are actively opposed to it are
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: going to survive. It's it or we fix it, or
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: we fix it you know somehow. Well, I mean I
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: got my ideas of how to fix it. It doesn't
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: involve well, I mean, maybe you could create a place
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: for men to show excellence, but that means that women
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: can't be part of it. Women have to observe but
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: not be part. Otherwise it becomes women showing excellence. And
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: also because women can't compete with the men, that's unfair
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: and it's patriarchy. So we need to even the playing field.
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: And then suddenly men have to have all these handicaps
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: and they're no longer showing excellence. You know, that's that's
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: the problem. Yeah, you can have equality or you can
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: have hypergamy. Ladies, you can have equality or you can
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: have hypergamy.
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: All right, let me see you the next is this
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: the next time code? Right here? And no, we're going
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: to jump ahead a bit because I think we got
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: the point of that. So it's like.
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: Son, So constantly we have this feeling where we're asking
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: men to do something when they don't have the skills.
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: I was talking to my friend David and he said
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: women are in graduate school when it comes to emotional conversations,
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: and guys are in third grade. The other part of
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: the paradox is that women are asking men to be
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: more emotionally open, but then they get shamed when they
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: do that. So we have this great quote from Brene
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: Brown where she says, we beg guys to open up,
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: we beg them to let us in, and then when
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: they do, we can't stomach it.
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: So here's the emotional intelligence thing, you know, the whole
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: like combat toxic masculinity, open up with their feelings. They
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: are actually telling the truth about it, which is what
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: we've been saying for years and years and years, which is, well,
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: that's all fine and dandy. But when men open up,
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: they open up to women, what happens. Women become disgusted
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: with them, or they become afraid of them, or whatever
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: it is they want to control. They want men to
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: open up, but they want to do it on their terms.
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: They want to do what they say when they do it,
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: and in the way that they do it. They don't
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: really want to hear men speak earnestly about their emotional
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: state or their feelings or their concerns, you know, or
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: their insecurities, because if a man exposes any insecurities, the
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: woman feels like, oh shit, this guy's weak. I gotta go.
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: So yes, yeah, garso chreiso hate watches or something he's
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: even donated to us. It's very strange, but it's happened before.
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: We've had people who apparently despise us but also wanted
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: to support us. Yeah, we got hate supporters. Go figure.
• 47:11
  Speaker 5: Uh.
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: Pepito gives us fifty dollars superchow thank you, and says
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: some honey for the badgers. I disagree with this point.
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: Though there is no evidence that average women liked average men.
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: DNA shows only forty percent of men past their genes.
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: Can't just be due to genetic beings.
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: Is genetic just the fact.
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: Even if women preferences wasn't the cause, it must have
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: evolved with it.
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: But regardless, even if it isn't a natural thing if women,
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: the truth is that those societies that somehow get women
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: to the point of pairing up with average men are
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: the most successful societies period. If we want to be
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: a scrubby, has been species that just sort of screws
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: around in their their original biosphere without actually leaving the atmosphere, Fine,
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: we can indulge this. If we want to become something more,
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: we can't because it's just not at It doesn't have
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: the same level of functionality. Those societies in which women
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: are paired up the most amount of women are paired
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: up with the most amount of men are the most successful,
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: full stop. They're so successful. This particular society is so
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: successful that it could try this bizarre experiment of pretending
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: that that's not the case and freeing women to do
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: whatever they wanted. And I don't even mean equality, because
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: we don't have a quality. This is an equality. This
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: is just freeing women to have a buffet of choices
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: and have men underwrite the consequences of them.
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: Exactly, all right, Sorry, I'll say this though, I think
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: that in historically I think women well, First of all,
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: I think for the most part in history, neither men
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: nor women got to choose necessarily their wife. For most
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: of history, they were just married off to the family
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: like next door, because it was more like a business merger,
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: and they knew each other for childhood anyway, So there
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: wasn't like this this idea of like how can I
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: get the best person? It was just like this person
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: is next door, like I know them. The other thing
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: is that even after that, when we got into dating,
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: like in the twentieth century, I think that even then
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: women were there was less opportunity for hypergamy because they
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: were choosing like from within their immediate area and their community.
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: So it was the people who they went to school with,
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: the people who went to work with. But now that
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: like dating has opened up essentially globally all of a sudden,
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: there's like crazy amounts of options, and women I generally
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: have analysis paralysis, so they're like, well, how do I
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: get the best man? And that's why they're always thinking
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: about like the man they're with. It's like, well, I
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: think I might be able to do better because there's
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: so many options, So I think that would be a factor.
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: Yes, there's so many options, and it's artificial because there
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: aren't really right and it is the only way to
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: change that sense that women have of artificial abundance is
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: to get men to show them less attention, essentially like
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: to for men to be extremely discerning and that like,
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: think about it. You say that this individual said that
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: the average man has to swipe I think right? Was
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: it right? A thousand times? Why is that? Because a
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: woman is the average woman is getting swiped right on
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: a thousand times. Now, if an average woman got swiped
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: right on once a year, how much effort would she
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: be putting into that coffee date? And the thing is
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: that men swiping right Okay, that is low effort, but
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: it gives the perception to a woman that she has
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: a relationship on offer with all of those men. So
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: when when she finds one that's I guess good enough,
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: she doesn't put any effort in because she thinks she
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: has a relationship opportunity with all of them. And that's
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: part of the problem. So there's no there is no
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: actual incentive to rise to the occasion of this date
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: for this woman to even not ghost him. Whereas if
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: you were in real life, if everything was based on men,
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: you know, approaching women in real life, even if you're
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: an attractive woman, you're not going to get a thousand
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: approaches every week. You're gonna get maybe five, and you're
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: gonna get less and less as you go down to
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: the point where if you're an average woman, you're probably
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: gonna get approached once every four or five months. And
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: if you get approached in the real life, like that's
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: the way it was before as an average woman and
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: you get one every four or five how valuable are
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: you going to find that approach considerably? How likely are
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: you going to go ape shit? Because oh he's I
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: can't believe that he he sexually are at not likely
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: because you're not getting anything. You're not getting things constantly,
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: And honestly, women should realize and they're not encouraged to
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: do this because we have this pervasive myth that men
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: will have sex with anything, which I don't think is true, right,
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: that this that every single one of those swipe rights
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: is a potential relationship, when all it is is somebody
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: some guy saying eh okay, eh okay, eh okay. Well
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: eh no.
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: I think they're just like casting a wide net.
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they're casting a wide net. Yeah, and not every
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: one of those guys is going to put that much
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: effort into you, right And but but literally, what women
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: are thinking is that when they get the likes and
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: the swipe rights, and they're thinking, oh, every single one
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: of them, you could could potentially know, and certainly not
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: if you don't actually invest in them. And that's the
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: thing that we get this idea that men aren't also discerning,
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: but I think they are. Like the fact that you're
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: ghosting these men for potential uh coffee date so that
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: you can now get through the process of being vetted,
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: is going to diminish your ability to ever find someone.
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: And this is this, this is all dysfunctional, and we
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: could say, well, no, you know, and to a degree,
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: it's not entirely on women's shoulders, but unfortunately, the solution
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: is entirely on women's shoulders because unless they enact the
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: discipline to understand the situation as it actually is, they'll
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: keep getting bamboo by the situation as the apps are
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: presenting to them in order to bamboozle them. So it's like, yeah,
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: you know, it's and men can't do anything. They can't
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: their hands are tied in this issue unless and honestly,
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: the only way this is really going to be solved
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: is if men get off the dating apps completely. Just
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: leave them. And also if you are on them, limit
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: yourself to how many you swipe, because you got to
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: think about this. The more you swipe collectively, the more
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: the sense of abundance makes women not care or dismiss
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: any interest that they do get okay, and that's it's
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: really it's just gonna doom you collectively. And so yeah,
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: men should get off the dating apps. Just get off
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: the dating apps. I remember, I got it. Like I've
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: been saying for ten years, don't go into to uh,
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: don't don't do higher education. If you're men, unless you're
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: going into business, you live off campus, you talk to
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: no women during your your your degree, do not talk
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: to any women on campus, do not interact with them.
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: Live off campus. Uh and and just do your degree,
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: do it in stem or business and nothing else. Then
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: then that's fine. But for the most part, just stay
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: out of college. In fact, you should be paid to
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: go to college. Your company should pay you to go
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: to work. And now we're finding out that college degrees
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: don't get men jobs. Like there's just as much unemployment
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: with between men who don't have degrees as men as do.
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: Although maybe you know, the men who do have degrees
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: might earn more, although that's questionable now too. But I
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: was saying that ten years ago, and I remember we
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: got I got heat. I think other people on Honey
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: Badger Radio who also said it got heat. And now
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: it's it's it's it's panning out. Yeah, it's panning out.
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: It's panning out. It was worthless, and it's just a
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: bunch of debt.
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: And even it's justbing.
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: Is just that even if you do earn more, you
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: still got all that debt. Right, And again, if you
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: are going to go to college. You look at it
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: in completely mercenary terms, completely professional terms. Do not look
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: at it like you're going to get a partner or you're
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: gonna have a girlfriend or a wife. Look at it
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: purely in terms of bottom line. You know that it's
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: going to increase your income by going by this amount. Otherwise,
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: do not do it. And we've been I've been saying
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: this for years, and like I said, the statistics is
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: born and out. And now I'm telling you, get off
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: the apps. Get off the dating apps, and if you
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: are on them, set yourself a quota for how many
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: swipes you do. Set yourself. Because she has crazy eyes,
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: do not swipe, right, she got weird background. Like me
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: and Brian went through all of the t app users
• 56:59
  Speaker 2: and for the most part we were looking at the
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: background and in all of the contextual details. Look very
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: carefully at her contextual details. If anything seems off, do
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: not swipe. But if the color of her cat is wrong,
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: do not swipe. If she has too many pillows in
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: her bed, do not swipe. If she's wearing too much makeup,
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: do not swipe. Get yourself a list. Yeah, if you're
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: gonna be on the apps, get yourself a list of
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: all the contextual makeup, hair, clothing, every ick. Make it huge,
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: an ick list for men, share them with your friends.
• 57:36
  Speaker 2: Make a gigantic ick list, and if the if a
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: woman twigs any of them, do not swipe right.
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: That's what you for men would like freak the internet out.
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: Women will be writing articles about it like they would
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: be so mad. Yeah, you need it, you need it
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: for your own particular.
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: You predicted the actual absolute state of getting a ten
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: years ago, and that was when we really like people
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: were really upset with us for doing that. Now I'm
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: saying the absolute state of dating apps. Get off them
• 58:11
  Speaker 2: and get a gigantic ick that prevents you. This is
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: the key. It prevents you from swiping right except maybe
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: two or three times a month, and stick to it.
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: This is the only way forward.
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: All right, Right, I got a couple. I got a
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: bunch of super chows someone to read them. Albatross gave
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: us five thank you did not say anything, so I
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: just say thanks and if you wanted to say something, oh,
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: he said, I had a message for my child. Five
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: bucks for Badger coffee and donuts. Thank you. Albatross and
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: Zaraanx gave us five. I hope I didn't skip any
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: but it is like I did, and says, why is
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: there such a focus on falling in love? This Disney
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: level of mating works in less than seventy five percent
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: of relationships, considering the divorce rate was climbing to sixty
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: percent nearly twenty years back. Infatuation is like leading with
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: your wallet. It's the worst thing to use to build
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: a foundation. No expression of values, no establishing of a
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: hook that one wants to attach themselves to. It's the
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: emotional chemical reactions absent the conscious mind being involved. This
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: is why people fall out of love. No coaching on
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: exhibiting beliefs through actions or aligning beliefs with actions is done,
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: and people are surprised that there's less mating today. See
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: my OMG Pikachu face. Yeah, I know he said that,
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: and I agree. I mean I think that. Like I said,
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: these are like bluepill people commenting on this stuff. So
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: they still have that sort of like you know, Hollywood
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: butterflies love thing going on. And the truth is is
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: that if you're really work and she even she didn't
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: admit this, but she said it in so many words
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: by saying, well, you know, well, that guy even said it.
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: He said that in most relationships when they start off,
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: one person is more invested than the other, and it's
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: usually the men in relationship. Okay, and that's because it
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: is you know, something that like you. You don't just
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: have it. It's not like a fairy tale you. It's
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: something that you work on. Sometimes very rarely you will
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: get that a spark or whatever. But but you can
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: fall out of that just as quickly. That's why we
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: call it infatuation. So like, yeah, I agree with you,
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: but I mean I think these people are still living
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: in this kind of fairy tale mindset about relationships. So
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: and they and the idea of it is very attractive,
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: so it's hard for people to like that. Let that go.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: But it's just it's it is mostly bullshit. All right
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: if you want to say anything to that, because I
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: got twos.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: But go ahead, okay. So are we still on that
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 2: woman who's saying like she's she's dating an ugo, which
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 2: means she's probably dating or she was with some average attractive.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: Man gave like an ugly guy a chance, which basically
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: means she fucked the guy that is beneath her.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, because she was probably hard up.
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: Maybe he wasn't ugly at the time, but then after that,
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: you know, she sort of lost interest, or maybe he
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: ghosted her and so she decided he was unattractive sour graves,
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: you know, so it could have been anything.
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 2: Okay, So officially, if a woman has a ginger cat,
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: then she is a minger. Put it on the X.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 2: All black and white cats are fine, Tabby cats are fine,
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 2: Calico cats are fine, Siamese cats are fine. Black entirely
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 2: black cats are fine. But no Gingers.
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: I think too many cats. I don't know what the
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: number is, but if I see over a certain number,
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: I think that should be a red flag.
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's true.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think there's a certain num. I don't know
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: how many, but I think more than say three, then yeah.
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, very very judicial, very very diplomatic, Brian, because
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 2: I have three cats and a dog.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: I didn't really I wasn't thinking about I mean, Jonathan
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: was the cat person, really right, But yeah, he's.
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: He's basically the one that wanted all of them except
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: for the ginger. The ginger was just dropped off one day.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 2: He's like, is this your cat? And we're like, no,
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 2: is your cat now fling?
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 2: And then one yeah, well, and that the ginger's nice.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 2: The dog likes the ginger.
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: Manny Adams gave us a super child for ten dollars
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: and says, there is a very old joke that, on
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: the principle of all funny jokes having a grain of
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: truth is telling to the topic of average women not
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: finding average men attractive, but pair bonding with them anyway.
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: The town doctor pulled missus smith aside one day and said, ma'am,
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: I don't like the look of your husband, Miss Smith's
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: side and nodded, neither do I, but he is so
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: good with the children. That's a joke. It's just kind
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: of sad, okay, but thank you, Betty. And then we
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: got one from a non as another super child for
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: ten dollars, and a non says, the way I see it,
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: there are only two options, and neither work. In modern
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: day women have relationships with who they are attracted to,
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: or they don't. Women don't want the second option. Modern
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: men don't want the second option on an actual attraction
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: and moral reasoning. It takes a lot of acting from
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: the women for average man to be fine with having
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: and raising kids. With a woman who finds him repulsive.
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: Women have no reason to act right now. I think
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: this has always been the case, and only financial desperation
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: will a woman pretend enough For the average man. Well,
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: I think that maybe what they what would help is
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: if they got a reality check about where they stand
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: in society, because I think the primary issue is women
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: think they're worth more than they are. And I think
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: that and this is for their own sake that they
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: have to realize this because the reality of it is
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: gonna hurt. The longer they invest in that delusion about
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: their worth, the more painful it'll be when reality hits,
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: and it will m especially as they get older. Like
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: that's just you know, it's only going to get worse
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: for them as they get older.
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 2: Albatross gave us five bucks. I don't know if you
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 2: said that, and he did that too. Yeah, yeah, he
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 2: did that to uh to stick it to Churiso. So
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 2: thank you, Albatross. I do have a thank you to
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 2: give to David for twenty five dollars supporting this supporting
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 2: the show. It is feed the Badger dot com slash support.
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 2: Like a whole raft of you went into uh the
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 2: Super Chows, which is fine. I like the super Chows too,
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 2: but we do have to finish off the fundraiser and
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 2: we are now at I think, uh fifteen and fifty.
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 2: So let's move the needle. Guys, feed the Badger dot
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 2: com slash support. Go there and help out. Very much appreciated.
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 2: If you do five dollars, ten dollars, I'll take it all.
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 2: Let's just move it, move it towards you know, the
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 2: finish line. Feed the Badger dot com slash support. What
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 2: I wanted to say say to that is, I think
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 2: it's okay because he's right. Women want to see excellence
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 2: in men, and one of the forms of excellence that
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 2: human beings seem to encourage is cooperation right now. I mean,
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 2: you can see it in athletics because they're cooperative endeavors
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 2: that are also very competitive. So there's excellence but also
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 2: a high degree of cooperation usually unless you're talking about
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 2: very solo sports, but still there's usually a team involved,
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 2: like people go to the like track meets and a
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 2: team and anyway. So but there is no place for
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 2: men to demonstrate that. But when it's perceived and that
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 2: is something masculine that women can't also access, then I
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 2: feel like a lot of the resentment is taken out
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 2: of it because if women can't do it and only
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 2: men can provide it, then it's not a situation where
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 2: a woman is necessarily, like you know, being very mercenary
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 2: about it because she can only get it from men. Right,
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 2: So you can only be provided by a man. Does
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 2: that make sense? Like it's it becomes a part of
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 2: himself in a way, and that's taken out that it
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 2: doesn't happen in our society because women are supposed to
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 2: have access to everything.
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I agree with that.
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 2: I feel like there's a lot less resentment if men
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 2: have someplace to demonstrate excellence that you know, women are
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 2: excluded from. They get to see it and they get
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 2: to enjoy the products of it. But it doesn't feel
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 2: like it's so mercenary on the point part of women,
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 2: Like if women can make their own money, then getting
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 2: a man who makes money is just like it's a
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 2: mercenary act. It's just a desire for more money rather
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 2: than a desire for a man. You see what I'm saying.
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 2: It's sort of a difference.
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, sure, Okay, okay, wow, let's say more of this.
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 3: My research there's this quote a guy says, a woman
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 3: would rather see me die on the white horse than
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 3: fall off of it. And so there's this sense that
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 3: I have to be perfect, I have to be the
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 3: masculine and the feminine, but I don't have the skills
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 3: to do that. And women say that they want these
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 3: guys to be emotional, but as soon as they show emotionality,
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 3: it can freak those women out. So one guy that
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 3: I spoke to for this said, I went on a
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 3: few dates with this woman. At some point I told
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 3: her that my mom had had a suicide attempt and
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 3: the next day she texted me and said, I'm sorry,
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 3: I can't see you. I cannot process your emotional trauma
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 3: for you.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 2: No, I guess that's the emotional labor that women are
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 2: so famed for.
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: So his mother attempted suicide, he wanted to share that,
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: and she was turned off, like that was too much
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 1: emotional labor for her. Okay, well, they really don't like this,
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: this whole thing about time. This is why, like the
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: whole toxic masculinity conversation that feminists try to put forward
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 1: is all bullshit because women don't want that. And I
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: think that feminists know it's bullshit, and they push it
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: because it drives men and women further apart, and so
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: men are better off finding different networks to help them
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: other than their partners. And also women need to learn
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: to listen to men who are in pain, because I
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: think that they will if they train themselves too. You know,
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: like I almost lost Jojo when I went to Canada
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: last and I had not cried in years, and I
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: cried because I thought he was gone, and Lindsey was
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 1: you know, she could have been discussed with that, but
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: she wasn't. She understood. She was actually taking it better
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 1: than me. It was weird because she's more attached to him,
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: I think, but she was just more comfortent he was
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: going to come back. I thought Jojo was gone like
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: that was like I was freaking out. We were in
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: another country. I didn't know if we're going to get back.
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: I couldn't find him. It was like a big, you know,
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 1: open area with lots of woods and ship and there's coyotes.
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 1: So yeah, I broke down.
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 2: But coyotes are probably not big enough to really affect him.
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 2: But there are wolves.
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: And there are mountain lions there.
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 2: You know, I don't know luckily, he just shot up the.
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: He just showed up at somebody's backyard, but shot up.
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 2: The hill and and just ended up in somebody's like
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 2: Glasston Porch or somehow. And and apparently according to the owner,
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 2: he the of the of the house that he ended
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 2: up at, he was looking at trying to figure out
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 2: how to go back down the hill. But apparently it
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 2: was a little bit flummoxed because it was quite a
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 2: steep hill. But yeah, it was. Yeah, I noticed you
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 2: got you you were you were quite were clemped about it.
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: And yeah, and well, you know, like I said, I
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 1: mean like a guy that like whatever it.
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 2: Is, like, is that your dog man?
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah? I know. But like imagine if it was like
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 1: my mom or my dad. I know my dad who's
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: like wheelchair bound and he lives in a you know,
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: he's in a home right now in Chicago. Uh, he
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 1: had an accident recently. My mom told me that he fell,
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: and I thought, oh shit, like this is it because
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: he's like in his like late seventies. He's okay, he's recovering,
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: but it's not it's still bad. Like I know that
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 1: any day now or like I don't know, it could happen.
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: You know, I could get the call about my father
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 1: and you know I should be able to talk to
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 1: my wife about that. Yeah, so like this is this
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: is like unbelievably.
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's all part and Parcel. I think that
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 2: the same social pressures put on women that leads them
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 2: into these these like having these abs ridiculous expectations also
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 2: leads them to not really seeing their male partners as
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 2: human beings. And it's really unfortunate because that's gonna be
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 2: their most intimate relationship, most likely throughout their entire life,
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 2: and women are not availing themselves of the majority, the
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 2: emotional benefit of it and the satisfaction of it, and
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 2: instead they're going after bullshit and material goods. It's it's
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 2: really fucking It's really funny because I'm like, I feel
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 2: like I'm sitting here enjoying something the average woman will
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 2: never experience, and they're just I'm watching them picking through
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 2: garbage and then showing each other bits of tinsel and saying, oh,
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 2: it's that beautiful. I'm like, is it really though? Is
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 2: your life really that great? Anyway? It's it's it's just interesting.
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 2: It's just interesting to watch.
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah, sure, And so guys are getting a lot of
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 3: mixed messages. We want you to be feminine, we want
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 3: you to support us, but when you do, it freaks
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 3: us out, and so we don't want that. And digging
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 3: into the research and I want to look into this more,
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 3: I think it's that a lot of women want emotional support.
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 3: They want you to support them in their emotional journeys,
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 3: but they're not as ready to have you open up
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 3: in your emotional journey.
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 1: Well that's a really nice way to put it, but yeah,
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 1: I think that's true. And then at the same women
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 1: say they want you to be emotional, they want you
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 1: to support them emotionally and their emotional state and their
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 1: emotional needs. They don't want to hear about yours because
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 1: that's labor.
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 2: Remember, yeah, it's emotional labor. And then the other thing
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 2: that occurs to me is that I keep hearing from
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 2: women that men have to be they have to be
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 2: more spiritually, they have to detain some sort of woo
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 2: quality now because they can't just expect to get everything
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 2: because they make more money than women. Now, women are
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 2: making their own money and men haven't stepped up to
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 2: the plate to become more emotionally aware and spiritually advanced.
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 2: And I'm like listening to this and I'm like, who
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 2: hasn't who like? And also I remember I got an
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 2: email from some dude who said she wrote a book
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 2: about how women are spiritually more advanced than men because
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 2: they've challenged their gender role. They've become more spiritually and
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 2: emotionally advanced and men need to capture up. And I
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 2: just sent him a message because you wanted to, I
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 2: guess to have an interview. And I'm like, wow, this
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 2: is a real mismatch my friend. But I sent him
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 2: back and I said, no, they're not. How do you
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 2: know that? It was like months ago?
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 1: How do you then?
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 2: I doubt it? Do you really want them to like
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 2: I would?
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 1: I'd like I'd like to I'd like to hear that
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 1: personally out there, K I want more antagonistic interviews?
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay for okay, then I won't do that next time,
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 2: all right.
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 1: I'll be like, sure, talk about it.
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, sure, yes, s lighter, let come on our show
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 2: and we'll we'll have a chat. Like but anyway, so
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 2: this individual says men women are more spiritually enlightened than men,
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 2: and then you have this how are they more spiritually
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 2: enlightened if they're disgusted by the emotional needs of others,
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 2: mostly men, Like, how does that work? Because when I
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 2: think about someone who's spiritually enlightened, I don't I don't
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 2: see in my head a woman who gets an ick
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 2: because a man cries because his mom died. That's not
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 2: what I'm seeing. That's not not at all like that.
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 2: That that's not what that That isn't what comes to
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 2: mind when I think about spiritual enlightenment. Okay, all right,
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 2: let's keep going.
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 5: And I prefer the tastes. Don't want you to respecd
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 5: to it because I haven't done the research. In marketing
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 5: we call consumer dissonance. What people say they want and
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 5: then what they actually buy, And what women say they
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 5: want is an emotionally in touched man, and what they
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 5: want is a masculine man, and that they will articulate
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 5: what they want in a man and includes being more
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 5: emotionally available, and then they want to have sex with
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 5: a traditional masculine man. And what I hear from a
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 5: lot of win this is Anna.
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, women say. What women say they want and
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 1: what they actually go for are different.
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 5: Total evidence. It's pulse marketing. And you tell me what
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 5: the data says. But there's just so many single women
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 5: in my age group, and there's it feels like there's
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 5: literally no men in my age group, as bad as
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 5: it is for people in their twenties and thirties trying
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 5: being a woman in your fifties trying today, right, And
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 5: they tell me the same thing. These are liberal, progressive,
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 5: educated women. They say, I like a manly man, yeah,
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 5: and they say it under their brain. So there's what
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 5: supposedly is stated around. I need more emotional availability, somebody's
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 5: touch with their feelings.
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  Speaker 2: This is unbelievable.
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 5: What the research shows is they want a guy with
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 5: facial hair. Who's the who's still women are still very
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 5: attracted to traditional masculine attributes.
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 2: Okay, can I get in here.
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 1: To finish the sentence?
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think he did. This is astounding because
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 2: women have asked men to be something else, all right.
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 2: They've asked that, and now they're rejecting men who have
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 2: done it. It reminds me of an article way back when.
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 2: This is even before Honey Badger Radio. It was just
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 2: during the before before before times, before Gamergate, like the naughties.
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 2: I guess it was on U There was a woman
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 2: called Clarissa Thorn, and she had this astounding article about
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 2: how she this contradict in and she's a feminist, about
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 2: how she espoused men to be more feminists, more feminine,
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 2: get in touch in their emotions, but she finds them
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 2: deeply unattractive sexually. I'm like, that's freaking astounding. Like not
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 2: just that you're asking men to be less attractive, less
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 2: physically attractive, and then you're going to reject them because
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 2: of it, but you're expecting men to adhere to your ideology,
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 2: and you're not willing to do the work of supporting
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 2: that ideology by learning to find the men who are
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 2: part of it attractive. Right, and then if you multiply
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 2: this by infinity, like all the feminisms, all the feminists,
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 2: they've just absolutely screwed the boys who are being raised
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 2: feminist by doing this, and then they refuse to women
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 2: refuse to do the work. They don't even acknowledge that
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 2: they need to do the work to find the men
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 2: that they said they want attractively. At this point in time,
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 2: I think women have should be expected to do so.
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 2: All right, if you wanted feminine, feminist men, you should
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 2: find them attractive. If that's what you say, you want,
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 2: do the work to find them attractive, or shut up
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 2: and accept patriarchy back into your life. Like this is
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 2: that's the thing, And this is what I tell all
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 2: the feminist and they have no answer for it. So
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 2: what you're saying is that throughout all of human history,
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 2: women have managed to reproduce with men except in this
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 2: society where women got their rights. In this society, we're
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 2: gonna all die out. And because you refuse to find
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 2: the men who gave you your rights attractive, and you
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 2: don't even you and they would just call me a
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 2: pick They called me every name in the damn book.
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 2: But it comes down to that they're gonna let this
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 2: society die out because they refuse to do the work
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 2: to find the men that give them their rights attractive.
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 2: There you go, experiment concluded.
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 1: So the thing about this is that I think is interesting.
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 1: And we know this is true anyway, we've heard this
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 1: many times, but it's interesting that this woman he's according
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 1: to this guy's anecdote about the women he's worked with,
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 1: plural who have said they're really progressive and all this,
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 1: but then under their breath there like I just want
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 1: a manly man. What's interesting about this is that there
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 1: is this is another example of how everything is just
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 1: made suppression that is being pushed by women. Like it's
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 1: women doing this to other women and men are just
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 1: the ball. To quote Anita Sarcasia or like take a
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 1: note out of that, because she's saying, well, I have
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 1: to say this that I want like sensitive emotional feminist men.
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 1: I have to say that because I don't want to
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 1: up set the women around me because they might they
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 1: might be listening, and we're all supposed to be on
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 1: the same page here, and I'm afraid of exclusion or
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 1: isolation or alienation by the sisterhood. There's nothing to do
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 1: with the men. But secretly, I actually don't want that.
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 1: And it's funny because this is the tool that's used.
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 1: It's women's agreeableness. It's women's fear of being excluded, fear
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 1: of being alienated by other women and but basically by
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 1: their community. And it's playing out and they're in their
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 1: fifties and they're still lying and that's all. This whole
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 1: thing is a lie, Like they're just lying about everything
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 1: and everything one is lying about it together and the men, well,
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 1: they've been like terrified into not saying anything most of them,
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 1: and the ones that do well, guess what those are
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 1: the misogynists that other men have to avoid. And so
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 1: you get people like this talking in circles around the lie.
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 1: They know that's there. They're all acknowledging it that we're
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 1: all being lied to about what women want. And but
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 1: we're not going to confront that. We're just going to
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 1: tell men to step up again. We got to find
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 1: another way to make men step up, you know.
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 2: Also, also, the misogynists blame women. You know what, fuck it.
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 2: Then I'm a misogynist because I blame women, and I'm
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 2: going to continue to blame women until we are as
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 2: comfortable blaming women as we are blaming men. The end.
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 2: But it's just like that that whole sequence where he's
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 2: talking about this situation that men have no control over
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 2: and women have one control over well maybe like you know,
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 2: ninety five percent control over and the apps have five percent, right,
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 2: and he's talking about that situation, he comes out and
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 2: the misogynists blame women.
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Like the the ultimately, like the biggest lie of
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 1: feminism is that it ignores female nature. Ultimately female nature,
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 1: and it pretends like it doesn't exist. And this is why, Like,
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 1: ever since I've been doing this, and we talk about
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 1: like what is expected of men and what men need
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 1: to be and how men need to change and all that,
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 1: I always say, well, what do women want from that?
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 1: Is that what women want from those men? Because feminism
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 1: is saying that this is what men have to do,
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 1: and they never ever address it. Never, they never say
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 1: what do women want? Because if they answer that question,
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 1: then their ideology completely falls apart because it doesn't It
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 1: actually doesn't care what women want. It has a narrative,
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 1: and women won't say it either because they're afraid. They're
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 1: afraid to speak out against the establishment narrative. It's like
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 1: feminism has told them the mythology of the world they
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 1: live in, and they said, you can't question this mythology.
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 1: And women are all like, I guess as the mythology,
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 1: and so I'm gonna go along with it. And they'll
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 1: they'll say, what do I have to say to stay
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 1: in good graces? Oh, I'm gonna, you know, talk about
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 1: to talk about what I want from a man. I'm
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 1: going to talk about the new you know, Princess movie
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 1: and why I like Wicked and all that and them
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 1: all for this, and they're only doing it to stay
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 1: like in the good graces because they tend to be agreeable,
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 1: but in their in their heart or hearts. So like,
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 1: I don't like any of this, and I want I
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 1: don't want to be a part of this, but I'm
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 1: paralyzed because I can't go against it because I don't
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 1: think any of these other women would agree with me.
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 1: I'd get cast out. And they do. They get called picknies,
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 1: they get attacked, they get like Sidney Sweeney was called
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 1: a Nazi because she did a commercial for genes. But that, like,
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 1: that's how bad it is. And you and what women
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 1: have to do is they have to be like, well,
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 1: I'm okay with whatever. Call me a Nazi if you
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 1: want to, you know, call me whatever. I don't care.
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 1: And that's just actually ask But that's what has to happen, yep.
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 2: And it's what's hilarious about this is this is a
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 2: complete loss of women's autonomy right now. Right here. Women
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 2: are forced to do these things, and they lose their
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 2: autonomy not just in terms of having to like the
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 2: same things as the sisterhood, having to describe their desires
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 2: in the way that this Sisterhood approves of, Like we
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 2: this man just talked about women have to be ashamed
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 2: of the fact that they like masculine men because the
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 2: Sisterhood tells them that's wrong. So it's a complete loss
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 2: of autonomy, just like throughout all of human history, supposedly
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 2: women have lost their autonomy, right, they had no autonomy. Well,
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 2: you also don't have any autonomy now, ladies. And it
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 2: gets it, and then you talk about all the intersectionality.
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 2: I recently watched Sex in the City because I was
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 2: a Richard Pierre request and the new the reboot. The
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 2: reboot had Mariss I think it was Marissa, but anyway,
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 2: it was one of the female characters, and she was
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 2: walking on eggshells around this black lawyer woman, and I'm
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 2: like looking at this and it's all this this affectation
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 2: of piety and submission to an ideology that doesn't lead
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 2: to having children. And yet it is the same, Like
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 2: you're looking at this woman and she is just as
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 2: controlled as women were in Puritan England, Like are purit
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 2: in New England? Right, because she's controlled by people's opinions.
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 2: She has to walk around on eggshells, she has to
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 2: express piety and submission to the moral betters. I'm like,
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 2: how is this different than the past when you also
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 2: had to do this, ladies, Except in the past, your
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 2: loss of autonomy actually facilitated the production of children and
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 2: families and communities. Now it facilitates the production of nothing. Right,
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 2: you're still doing the same things. It's women consuming other
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 2: women's autonomy, forcing them all to just act in the
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 2: same way. And you're exactly right. This guy's exactly right,
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 2: this man when he describes this, women have to lie
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 2: about their desires, they have to be pious towards their
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 2: moral betters. They have to say the things that are
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 2: socially acceptable. They have to engage in the actions that
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 2: won't get them ostracized. How is this different than any
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 2: other point in history for women except this? For this
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 2: version of reducing and controlling women's autonomy is not functional. Like,
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 2: I mean, maybe it would be better if women had
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 2: actually been liberated, but they're not. They've once again set
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 2: up a new, a new form of controlling each other,
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 2: a new controlling sisterhood to destroy each other's autonomy. Liked
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 2: but no, No, women probably didn't need to be liberated,
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 2: but they certainly weren't. You aren't liberated, You're just in
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 2: a new form of control. And I know this because
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 2: I go into female spaces, like I went in hole
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 2: math server and there was like a space devoted specifically
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 2: to women. The instant I go in, I'm like, oh God,
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 2: I know I'm in a woman's space because I feel
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 2: like I'm I feel in danger every second I'm in here.
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean, Yes, you know you're in
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 2: a female controlled space when you feel the pit of
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 2: your stomach starts to contract into any and it turns
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 2: into like this hard not of anxiety, and you're like, yep,
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 2: women control this space. Mm hmm, better start tiptoeing. And
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 2: this is this is this is the thing, is women
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 2: controlling women and blaming it on men. And yet and
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 2: what we've had our three generations of supposedly liberation, and
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 2: nobody's liberated except for I don't know. I guess the
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 2: women on this channel because I'm gonna say what I want.
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 2: And as far as I'm concerned, if a woman wants
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 2: me to stop me from saying what I want to say,
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 2: out of my life, you're gone and I'm not going
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 2: to I'm not going to sweat it.
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 1: All right, all right, let's keep going. We got a
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 1: couple more time codes left for this.
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 3: I mean, I think we're just in such a hard
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 3: moment because you have women who are saying, I don't
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 3: want to date a guy who earns less than me.
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 3: And you might think, okay, well, the data hasn't caught
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 3: up with the dating. If more women are in higher
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 3: education and more women are earning more, then maybe you
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 3: are going to be the one who earns more in
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 3: your relationship. But what they feel like is projecting out
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 3: I'm going to end up doing most of the housework,
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 3: most of the childcare. I might as well get a
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 3: guy that can contribute financially. So they don't want to
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 3: change their expectations around that. And so I think we
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 3: truly are in a moment where women are being asked
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 3: to do more masculine things and men are being asked
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 3: to do more feminine things. And I think a lot
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 3: of that is progress, but it also seems to be
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 3: creating a lot of confusion in the dating world.
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 1: Well, honestly, are women being asked to do masculine things
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 1: or are they just told that they can and that
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 1: they shouldn't to rely on a man.
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 2: Well, but the thing is that what is a masculine thing.
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 2: A masculine would be if women were doing masculine things,
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 2: they would see their jobs as stepping stones to helping
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 2: provide for a husband and family like that. If that was,
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 2: if women were genuinely doing masculine things, they would see
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 2: their jobs as something that makes them more attractive romantic
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 2: prospects because they can improve the financial system, the financial
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 2: status of the whatever household they build with a man.
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 2: That would be an actual masculine mindset. That's not what
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 2: this is. And the other thing is that you say
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 2: that men are being asked to be more feminine. I
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 2: think men are just being asked to be more uncomfortable
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 2: because the further back you go, like if you watch movies,
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 2: I'm thinking specifically, there was this movie about a teacher
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 2: who took over a special needs or like not a
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 2: special needs but a vocational sort of college. A class
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 2: and a vocational college. I'm gonna forget it name again,
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 2: but he was a white teacher, and he was he
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 2: went into an inter city school that was more like
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 2: a vocational kind of high school, and he was trying
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 2: to help disadvantaged youth and at one point his wife
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 2: just became insanely jealous for some reason, and he sat
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 2: her down and he's instead of indulging her jealousies, like, what,
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 2: how do you think this makes me feel? How do
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 2: you think this impacts my ability to work? Look at
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 2: what you're doing by engaging in these these behaviors that
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 2: are disruptive. And she actually shut up and thought about
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 2: it and stopped doing it because she's like calling people
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 2: or spreading rumors and doing all kinds of things and
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 2: just just creating social chaos. And I'm like, that was
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 2: back in the forties. I think that was made forties
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 2: or fifties, and it was recognizing a man and the
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 2: effects of his wife's actions on her husband and her
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 2: in the h actually told her, and then she took
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 2: she took action to change her behavior as a result
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 2: of how her previous toxic behavior was affecting her husband emotionally.
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, holy crap, that's we've lost that. So
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 2: you this piping up and saying men are more feminine, Now, No,
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 2: they aren't. They were more feminine after like, or at
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 2: least I don't want to say they were more feminine.
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 2: They were more capable of expressing their emotions and expecting
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 2: those emotions to change the behavior of the women in
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 2: their lives three generations ago. I mean, maybe that was
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 2: just presenting an ideal in movies or fiction, but at
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 2: least it was an ideal, like at least it was
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 2: something that was conceived of. I don't think I can't
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 2: even name a freaking movie that's done that recently.
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 1: All right, now they're going to talk about men's faces.
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 5: I was just thinking, I coach a lot of young
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 5: men and occasionally women ask me for dat and advice,
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 5: and you coached it sounds like a lot of both.
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 5: And what I first thing I said to minut is
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 5: I asked him, like, would you want to have sex
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 5: with you? All right? Are you in shape? What do
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 5: you look like naked?
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 1: Are you?
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 5: Do you have a plan? You don't have to be
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 5: rich now, but do you have a plan? Right? Have you?
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 5: Have you found means of being confident? Can you demonstrate
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 5: kindness and excellence across anything?
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 1: And the only second they're still focusing on men, and that.
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 5: Is maybe it wasn't great. I mean, if you don't
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 5: like the guy and you're just like turned off, fine,
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 5: But if it was just okay, maybe give it a
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 5: second coffee.
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 3: I have a chapter in my book called make the
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 3: second Date the Default, and it's really because I feel
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 3: like I won the lottery with my husband, but he
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 3: is somebody that takes longer to open up, and he's
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 3: the slow burn. We met in college, we met again
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 3: seven years later later than we were friends for a year,
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 3: and I feel like he's this incredible partner, husband, father.
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 3: But I don't know that if we'd met just randomly
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 3: on the first date, that I would have gone on
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 3: a second date. And so I think people really do
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 3: need to train themselves to look for these slow brands.
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 1: Slow compared to what I mean. Again, Like, I think
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 1: that it's well intentioned, but the problem is is that
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 1: women are not likely to go here. Here's another video
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 1: I have and I'll share with you real quick that
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 1: gives us a little bit of an idea modern woman.
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 10: The secret to a long term, happy relationship.
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 1: He has to be afraid of you. He has to
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 1: be afraid of you. Absolutely. He has to be afraid
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 1: of you.
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 6: Not that you're going to hurt.
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 10: Him, but that you might.
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 1: Just pop off and lose it.
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 10: You might leave, you might leave them just where he
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 10: is by himself. You might take your care away, you
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 10: might stop doing things for him. He's gotta be afraid
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 10: that at any moment he drops the ball.
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 1: Yuck.
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 2: Like usually I don't, I try not to do this,
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 2: but hm, I feel like the bottom of the barrel
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 2: just spoke.
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 1: What she feels. But the thing is she might she
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 1: she might be the bottom of the barrel, but she
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 1: doesn't think she is.
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 2: Also, no, no, no, this is not this. I guarantee that
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 2: this woman isn't actually saying a strategy. She's telling men
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 2: the strategy to take with her, or the strategy that
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 2: she expects to find a man attractive. Like this is
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 2: the thing. When women stay stuff like this, often what
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 2: they're saying is this is what I find attractive in
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 2: a man, And somehow I think if I am a
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 2: woman and I and I embody this, I will be
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 2: attractive to a man. They they have this mistake. It's
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 2: the same thing with the women who say, well I
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 2: have I have this portfolio of stocks, and I have
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 2: this job and all that and that I should be
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 2: of that should make me attractive to a man. They
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 2: mistake what they find attractive in a man for what
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 2: makes them attractive two men. And I think that's what's
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 2: happening here. This is what this woman because the thing
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 2: is and the other thing is that who the hell
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 2: is she dating? That she has to have in this
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 2: weird cold war with them?
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 8: Right?
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 2: Like who is she dating? Most guys are they'll stick
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 2: around if you're just nice to them. M you don't
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 2: have you don't have to play mind games. Yeah, just
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 2: just be nice, you know, just be nice to that
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 2: and that's it. You don't have to be like, oh,
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 2: I gotta have the psychological warfare. Got gotta wake him
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 2: up in six and three in the morning and blast
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 2: the iron maiden at him. Just keep him off base,
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 2: you know, you gotta occasionally throw a muskrat in his
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 2: face and kick him in the shins and then run
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 2: off laughing, you know, like like all this insanity, it's like,
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 2: who are you trying to date? Like take it down
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 2: a couple of notches more to where your level is
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 2: and you'd just be nice to him and you're fine,
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 2: Like it's not that difficult.
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 1: Nope, all right, let's keep going.
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 8: Gott said something there about what he thinks women want,
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 8: which is these sort of traditional masculine features. Is this
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 8: what you see in the data.
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 3: What's hard is I think Scott's right about what people
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 3: say they want versus like so stated versus revealed preferences.
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 3: So according to the research that I did, women are
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 3: saying the number one thing that they're looking for it
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 3: is kindness and compassion. That's also what men are saying
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 3: that they're looking for. So in many ways, this is great,
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 3: people are looking for the same things. But I just
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 3: feel like there's these huge disconnects now where people don't
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 3: feel like they can get what they want.
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 8: With mena saying they want kindness and compassion, that.
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 3: Was I made them say what are all the things
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 3: that you care about? And then what is the number
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 3: one thing that you care about? And kindness and compassion
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 3: was first for both of them the stuff.
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 1: Why does that surprise anyone? Like like that? Like the
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 1: host of the show was like men said that, well, yeah, like,
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 1: if you are looking for someone to be the mother
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 1: to your children, you want them to be kind and
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 1: compassionate to you and to your potential children. I'm not surprised.
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 2: I have a doubt about the women. I think they
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 2: responded according to what they thought women people wanted them to.
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 1: Say what they want, what people think they should say that, Like,
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 1: what should I say to this question? Yeah?
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, what should I say to this question? All right?
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 2: I've read is.
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 5: That for women, and I've talked to men about this.
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 5: Number one is they have to signal resources. And we
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 5: don't like to say it out loud. And by the way,
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 5: it doesn't necessarily mean you have to have a range,
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 5: rover and a pane right now. But you have a plan,
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 5: right you have your shit together, You go home at
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 5: midnight when everyone's partying because you have to be up
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 5: for work. You work out, which shows a level of
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 5: discipline and that you can commit to something. You're in school,
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 5: you've got a good job. This person is going to
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 5: have resources. And I don't think that's changed a whole lot.
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 5: I think a man's ability to signal future resource has
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 5: gone down. I'm not sure it's become any less of
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 5: the criteria. Number two is in a lit.
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 2: That's really unfortunate that our society endeavored to reduce men's
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 2: ability to generate resources relative to women.
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, any of that, Like, yeah, men want those want
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 1: that too, but their opportunities are a lot like more scared, Yeah,
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 1: compared to women. And the problem is is that elevating
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 1: women in education, which is artificial in a lot of
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 1: ways because they're just getting a lot of preferential treatment.
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 1: And so if a woman gets preferential treatment while not
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 1: being told she's getting preferential treatment, and she gets a
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 1: degree in something, she automatically believes that she is entitled
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 1: to something more than what her degree is worth, even
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 1: if she never uses it, even if she ends up
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 1: working as a Starbucks assistant manager. She has that bachelor's
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 1: in fucking you know, science that she's not using, but
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 1: she's worth that, and that means the man it's worth
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 1: more than that. So it's not just that there's less
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 1: opportunities that men are being disadvantaged educationally employment wise, women
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 1: get preferential treatment there. We have lots of programs to
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 1: give women in the upper hand. We got to get
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 1: more women in stem, we got to get more women
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 1: in business. We need more females CEOs, we need more
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 1: females in positions of power in the political space. And
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 1: that's like a mantra that's been going on everywhere. So
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 1: there's a lot of people that try to do that.
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 1: There are unions that actively try to do that as well,
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 1: we need fifty to fifty representation in this thing or
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 1: that thing. So men are having a harder time getting
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 1: in because they don't get there's nothing for them and
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 1: there's no programs that exist for men. So what do
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 1: you get. You get a lopsided outcome that's been like
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 1: artificially altered. And then those women, because they don't know that,
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 1: they're going into the world thinking well, hell, I was
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 1: able to get this degree, so I got to find
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 1: a man that can do better than that. So it's
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 1: like you create the illusion of equality, but you don't
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 1: actually address women's preferences because you never ask women what
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 1: their preferences are like in a real way. You know.
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, because this is this entire system that Treza
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 2: was in the special or no, I guess he was
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 2: in the special chat. He migrated over the horizontal chat.
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 2: Well he was saying, well, women are free, and I'm like,
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 2: they're not. They're not free. They're not free in this society.
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 2: They're still as controlled as they ever were. Yeah, except
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 2: now they have to deny what they actually want and
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 2: not get it. Like all for this this experiment, which really,
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 2: if you think about it, Fatten certain people's bottom lines,
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 2: Like it's fattened a lot of bureaucrats in the government,
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 2: it's fattened up a lot of corporate stooges, but it's
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 2: uh cost Oh, it's fattened up a lot of feminist
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 2: board members of NGOs. But for women it's just led
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 2: to misery because they're just as controlled as ever, except
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 2: now they're less likely to enjoy their lives. Yay, yep, okay.
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 5: And it's very instinctual because if you made good decisions
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 5: for the tribe, your kids are more likely to survive.
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 5: Someone who's smart is more likely to take care of
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 5: your offspring than someone is stupid. What's interesting, and I
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 5: love this is the fastest way to communicate intellect is humor.
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 5: And I joke, I joke, and this is bad, but
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 5: I say, this is my impression of a woman. I'm laughing,
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 5: I'm laughing, I'm naked, and that is I boast thought.
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 5: If a guy can make a woman laugh, she will
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 5: she will date him. And then the third thing, and
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 5: this is where guys screw up. This is what I
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 5: tell a guy's secret weapon is it's kindness. Women want
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 5: to see that you are a good person. You treat
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 5: service staff, well, you're good to your parents, you have manners,
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 5: you treat people.
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 2: Women an awfully broad brush. But I guess it's okay
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 2: because you're being flattering.
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 1: So I don't see, like where do these men stick
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 1: screw up? Because, like I can guarantee you that the
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 1: kind of that women go for that top percent, they're
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 1: probably like they could be assholes and women would forgive
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 1: it because they're high status enough that it's okay.
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and in fact that might be a draw considering
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 2: that the psycho sociopathic personality style is more attractive to women.
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think this is paradoxical advice. Yeah.
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 2: What that woman was saying by saying that she, you
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 2: know her her current partner was a slow burn, Well,
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 2: this is the thing like that. This is probably why
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 2: I would agree with the second coffee date. In fact,
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 2: more if somebody, if you hit it off really well
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 2: on a first date with someone, odds are the man
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 2: is a sociopath. I mean, or he can't be very
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 2: friendly and outgoing and be nice. But that's that's a
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 2: unicorn friend. Like most people take a while to really
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 2: warm up, right, they it takes a while for them
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 2: to they don't. They don't hit all of the notes perfectly.
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 2: Even if he's charming, you might not do that. Like
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 2: if you if you, if you have a first date
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 2: and you think it's really good, it might be the
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 2: sociopathic personality style talking is just what I'm saying if
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 2: you're a woman, because that is the what you're attracted to.
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 2: Apparently women are attracted to that and that person, you know,
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 2: maybe have a few more dates with him. If he
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 2: doesn't take frustration while he's probably a sociopath. If by
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 2: the fifth date he's warmed up and is charming, he
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 2: probably is an a sociopath. Just saying, like, if it
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 2: takes a guy a while to warm up to you
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 2: or to get rid of the jitters or the nervousness,
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 2: that's a sign he isn't a sociopath. It also like
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 2: it's like that. And here's the other thing. Once sociopaths
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 2: attract you, they don't need to be fun anymore or
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 2: charming anymore, right, They'll just use their other tricks in
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 2: their book to keep you okay. So if you like
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 2: this woman is describing like the burn, like the slow burn,
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 2: what that is is you're with a normal human being.
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 2: And human beings take time.
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 1: That's compared to what yeah, yeah.
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 2: Compared to what like if Like I said, it's probably
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 2: a bad sign. If you have a good first date,
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 2: just give it time, given given time to reveal, you know.
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 2: And if he's a sociopath, he's gonna get frustrated he's
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 2: not getting what he wants out of you immediately. If
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 2: he's a decent guy, awkward first date, awkward second date,
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 2: awkward third day, fourth dates, starting to get more fun,
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 2: you know, you're starting to warm up. You you're starting
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 2: to click, You're starting to know what to talk about
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 2: and hold a conversation. You have to wait, okay, And
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 2: that's how you get rid of That's how you do
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 2: the psycho filter. Because the first date, the really good
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 2: first date, guy's probably gonna be a psycho. But by
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 2: the third date, he's gonna be pissed he hasn't fucked you.
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 2: This is the that. But the problem is, you know
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 2: there are women out there they don't care because they
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 2: are also psychos, or they just want to have fun
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 2: for whatever reason, whatever god awful reason, they want to
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 2: acquire their share of STDs. You know every other woman
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 2: has one. Why don't I that kind of thing. So
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 2: they will go after the sociopaths, and as we saw
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 2: on the tee app, they will specifically look for a
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 2: man with thirty red flags and then ask the women
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 2: who've had sex with him, does he fuck good? Like
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 2: he do he fuck good?
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 7: All right?
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 1: We got one more time code and it'll be the end.
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 3: So they have formed this Council of peers. So every
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 3: month that they get together, every guy sits down with
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 3: post it notes and says the two issues that are
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 3: most pressing for him. So, first of all, I think
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 3: that that's a great way of doing it, because it's
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 3: actually that time to say what am I struggling with.
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 3: I think many people in their lives, maybe especially men,
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 3: don't sit there and say what's top of mind for me?
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 3: So guys get the quiet time to do that. Then
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 3: they go around in a circle and whoever has the
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 3: most pressing issue they get to take their time. And
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 3: some men might say, you know, these are top of
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 3: mind for me, but it's not a priority. I'll give
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 3: the time to someone else. And each month they talk
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 3: about what's going on for them. They hold each other accountable.
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 3: So month three they might say, hey, David, you've been
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 3: talking about that for the last three months. Are you
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 3: going to actually do anything about it? And I love
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 3: that these men have a masculine space to actually go
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 3: through what's going on for them because maybe they have
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 3: wives and girlfriends they can go to. Maybe they don't,
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 3: But I think it's a different type of advice that
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 3: you get from a council of trusted peers. And I
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 3: really do think that men's groups could change a lot
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 3: of these issues because I can sit here and say
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 3: everybody should be in therapy. Guess what, Therapy is really
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 3: expensive and many insurance companies will not provide it or
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 3: there's a huge waiting list, and so if we just
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 3: sit around.
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 1: Therapy isn't really like I I would caution go to therapy.
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 1: But unless you like specifically with like a pro male
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 1: therapist or somebody who understands what are we going to say?
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a there might be a sound issue on
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 2: your side. When you first start talking, you're quite low
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 2: and then you, uh, guys in the chat, please tell
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 2: me if you're also experiencing that. If it's just me,
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 2: it doesn't matter. But what I'm finding is that when
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 2: Brian first starts talking, he's quite low and then finally
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 2: it kicks in and you can hear him.
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 1: Also, has it always been that way at least.
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 2: Some time this time this show, but not like this
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 2: is the first show I've noticed. Oh okay, all right,
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 2: so I got some thank yous. I want to give
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 2: a big thank you to temp Anon for five dollars,
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 2: thank you, thank you very much appreciated. And I want
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 2: to thank the great indoors for two hundred and fifty
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 2: Thank you, great indoors. Do we have any sounds? Thank you.
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 1: I don't have anything yet. I'm still like setting my computer.
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 2: Up, all right, so soon soon, okay. So I think
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 2: we're at twelve hundred and seventy five, So moving, moving there,
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 2: getting there, getting to the dead or the dadtload, getting
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 2: to the goal goal, yes, thank you. Sometimes I forget
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 2: my words getting to the goal. So thank you very
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 2: much for great indoors. Thank you to temping on and
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 2: also to David originally did twenty five dollars. And if
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  Speaker 2: you want to help out, please go to feed the
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  Speaker 2: and about twelve hundred ago, so still a ways to go.
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  Speaker 2: Every bit helps five dollars ten dollars very much appreciated. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: all right.
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  Speaker 1: So this is the last time code. Okay, they're talking
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  Speaker 1: about men's spaces and maybe they're like, well, maybe this
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  Speaker 1: is what we need wild for.
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  Speaker 3: All these guys to go to therapy. That's not going
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  Speaker 3: to happen. But men's groups are a way that men
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  Speaker 3: can lead each other. They can provide this tribe of peers.
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  Speaker 3: And I have just seen so many changes in this group.
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  Speaker 3: So David told me his story where he had a
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  Speaker 3: lot of anger about his mom's stabilitating illness and he
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  Speaker 3: wasn't really experiencing it, and it was coming out as
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  Speaker 3: anger at his mom, but he wasn't conscious of that.
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  Speaker 3: But by getting the anger out in a safe place
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  Speaker 3: with men, the only place where he felt like he
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  Speaker 3: could truly be angry, he was able to get over
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  Speaker 3: it and to actually treat his mom with a lot
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  Speaker 3: more empathy. Or my husband has gone to the group
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  Speaker 3: and talked about ego stuff at work, or how hard
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  Speaker 3: the transition to becoming a parent has been. And I
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  Speaker 3: feel like the men in this group have grown so
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  Speaker 3: much over the twelve months that it's been happening. That
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  Speaker 3: I just paid for my brother in law to be
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  Speaker 3: in a men's group, and I want there to be
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  Speaker 3: tons of men's groups because I really feel like this
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  Speaker 3: isn't an issue that a therapist or a mom or
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  Speaker 3: I can really solve. I think men need to be
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  Speaker 3: solving this problem within themselves.
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  Speaker 5: Way you said is really powerful because if you walk
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  Speaker 5: down the hallway at Stern, there's Golden Speeds, venture Cap,
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  Speaker 5: Women in Venture Capital, Black Women's Consulting Club, there are
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  Speaker 5: women's supports. There's nothing for men, and these groups are
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  Speaker 5: really wonderful. Man Talks is one that I've been looking
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  Speaker 5: at where they've said, let's get together and just be
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  Speaker 5: supportive of each other.
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  Speaker 1: I got one x Y crew. Oh boy, that's all
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  Speaker 1: We have a community.
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  Speaker 2: Yes we do. But I think that they're not gonna
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  Speaker 2: we're the misogynist Brian, because the thing is that I
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  Speaker 2: try to focus on men in any way helping men
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  Speaker 2: set appropriate boundaries with women, like for example, for example,
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  Speaker 2: when I was hearing her example of the of the mother,
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  Speaker 2: is there anything that the mother is doing to deserve
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  Speaker 2: being seen as her son's anger?
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  Speaker 5: Right?
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  Speaker 2: And maybe there's a situation where he should start saying no,
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  Speaker 2: because even though she's his mother and she may have
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  Speaker 2: an illness, he also has the right to say no, right,
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 2: you know, and and maybe there's there's a reason why
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  Speaker 2: that anger is happening in terms of his relationship with her,
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  Speaker 2: not just because she's ill and whatever else. So and
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  Speaker 2: I don't think that's acceptable. I don't think the groups
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  Speaker 2: that we do, like I'm sure Paul does stuff like
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  Speaker 2: that too, the x Y Crew, you know, and the
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 2: stuff that we do in a Honey Badger radio, and
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 2: maybe even the stuff that somebody like Justin Trottier does
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  Speaker 2: because that is also about setting boundaries with women, not
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  Speaker 2: accepting abuse, not accepting coercion, and not accepting sexual aggression
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  Speaker 2: from women because Justin Trotier cafe, that's these are the
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  Speaker 2: things that he talks about, and in supporting men who
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  Speaker 2: are victims of these things, he most likely well by definition,
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  Speaker 2: he's establishing that that is inappropriate behavior for women to
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 2: engage in when it comes to men. I don't know
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  Speaker 2: do these men's groups do that. Do they encourage men
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  Speaker 2: to set boundaries, because that's probably one of the biggest
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  Speaker 2: things that needs to happen for this to turn around.
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  Speaker 2: Men need to set boundaries and start holding women account
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 2: when they when they violate those boundaries, right, And this
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  Speaker 2: is the funny thing, Like most women don't even know that,
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 2: like about the sociopath thing. Right, you know, uh, don't
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  Speaker 2: expect really good first dates because you're just getting to
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 2: know each other. And a normal human being is nervous
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 2: with new people to a degree. And a man will
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 2: be nervous because you're a woman, right, But that means
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  Speaker 2: he has a normal emotional makeup, right that he's constrained
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  Speaker 2: by things like potential humiliation, disappointing a person, you know,
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  Speaker 2: not living up to a standard. Like sociopaths come off
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  Speaker 2: really great because they don't give a fuck about you
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  Speaker 2: at the end of the day. They don't give a
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  Speaker 2: fuck about your opinion. They just want what they want
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  Speaker 2: from you, which is why on the fifth date, the
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  Speaker 2: normal guy is going to be a lot better. The
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 2: fifth date, the sociopath is going to start acting like
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 2: like abusive because you're not giving him what he wants.
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  Speaker 2: You know, you should you should have done that in
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 2: the first date, you know, And that's uh, that is
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 2: something I can genuinely say I did, did see. But
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  Speaker 2: this seems to be to escape the average woman that
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 2: they are literally they are literally selecting for bad men
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 2: by expecting a perfect like being swept off their feet
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 2: in the first date. There's only one type of men
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  Speaker 2: is really good at that, and while two types one
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 2: are the sociopaths, they're naturally really good at that, and
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 2: two are the men who have done a lot of
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 2: work on game and are able to emulate what the
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 2: sociopaths do. We could have We could have just let
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 2: the pickup artists do that, right, just teach men to
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 2: emulate what the sociopaths do, so you end up having
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  Speaker 2: a normal man who can create a great first impression
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 2: to women. We could have done that. But what the
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 2: hell happened to all those pickup artists?
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 1: Right, Well, they became they either got married and like
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 1: completely let the internet, or they became part of a
• 1:56:14
  Speaker 1: manosphere redpill.
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  Speaker 2: That or they got shamed into silence. Yeah, we had
• 1:56:22
  Speaker 2: a perfect solution there, but nope, that's not It wasn't
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 2: acceptable because it was unflattering to women. M hm, but
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  Speaker 2: what are they What are you flattering?
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  Speaker 1: Like?
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  Speaker 2: This guy is saying that women are saying, Oh, I
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 2: want a masculine man. What are you flattering here?
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  Speaker 6: Like?
• 1:56:38
  Speaker 2: What is wrong with that? Why has feminism come in
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 2: and made women so anxious and feeling such shame towards
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 2: what they want, And how is this of benefit to women?
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  Speaker 7: Right?
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  Speaker 1: Like?
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  Speaker 2: Who is that genuinely flattering? When we can't just say yes,
• 1:56:59
  Speaker 2: sociopaths are attractive to women, So why don't we help
• 1:57:03
  Speaker 2: normal men emulate what makes sociopaths attractive to women? Doesn't
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 2: that sound like a good idea? But then then we
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 2: had all the feminist academia that you know, the femosphere
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 2: came around with its gigantic death laser pointed at the
• 1:57:27
  Speaker 2: pickup artists and they were no longer allowed to be
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 2: around because they were grapy or something. All right, yeah, final,
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  Speaker 2: did you want to do more?
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  Speaker 1: No? That's it, We're done.
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  Speaker 2: Oh good, Okay, well yeah, I'll see if there's any more.
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  Speaker 2: Thank yous. I don't think we got any more. Super
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  Speaker 2: chows still have a ways to go, as guys. Sorry,
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  Speaker 2: I'm struggling. I got to I got two of those monitors,
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