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Hutton & Withrow: Derek Dooley Unloads on Lane Kiffin, LSU’s SEC Fight & College Football Chaos | Hour 2 · Hutton & Withrow Show

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  Speaker 1: Here's your invitation right there. The SEC could call both
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  Speaker 1: of you guys, right?
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  Speaker 4: Well, they could, but I don't think they have any
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  Speaker 4: interest because we would probably solve the problem too easily.
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  Speaker 2: Why don't you make them all that, man?
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  Speaker 1: Like the craziness of what Kiffin and LSU and just
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  Speaker 1: the back and forth of the fact that we normally
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  Speaker 1: don't see the SEC fight each other the way we.
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  Speaker 2: Just saw this.
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  Speaker 1: And we saw it happen, play out in real time
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  Speaker 1: right before the season.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I have so many thoughts just on that subject.
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  Speaker 4: My opening thought is it's that old line. It's easy
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  Speaker 4: to protest when somebody else is paying the price.
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  Speaker 3: And kudos to the SEC.
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  Speaker 4: For drawing the line in the sand and, you know,
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  Speaker 4: really playing chicken with LSU on that. It reminded me
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  Speaker 4: a little bit back in 1964. I don't know if
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  Speaker 4: you guys know this, but Georgia Tech was in the SEC,
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  Speaker 4: and they were kind of getting a little big for
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  Speaker 4: their britches, Bobby Dodd flexing their muscles, and they didn't
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  Speaker 4: like a rule the SEC passed. And they left the
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  Speaker 4: SEC and it really, you know, absolutely changed the whole
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  Speaker 4: trajectory of that program. And so I know LSU wasn't
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  Speaker 4: willing to pay that price over two tight ends or
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  Speaker 4: whatever it is. But, you know, the bigger issue is
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  Speaker 4: it's just another piece of frustration that I've had in
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  Speaker 4: what's going on in college athletics. And at some level,
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  Speaker 4: I was hoping it would play out because we need
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  Speaker 4: enough friction to to make a change. And it's been
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  Speaker 4: my frustration with Congress. You know, you guys know I
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  Speaker 4: ran for Senate last year, and that was one of
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  Speaker 4: the things that motivated me, because I've always felt like
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  Speaker 4: Congress just needs to do one simple thing, allow the
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  Speaker 4: NCAA to make and enforce rules without the fear of
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  Speaker 4: lawsuit and that preempt other state laws.
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  Speaker 3: That's it. All right. And That's all they need.
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  Speaker 4: And what I always said was the NCAA should have
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  Speaker 4: gone in and said, look, give.
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  Speaker 3: Us two years of protection to get our house in order.
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  Speaker 3: Two years.
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  Speaker 4: All we want is a little protection. We'll guarantee we're
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  Speaker 4: going to protect women's sports. We're going to protect the
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  Speaker 4: student athletes. And in two years, if we don't live
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  Speaker 4: up to that, you can take it away. And that's
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  Speaker 4: all they needed to ask for. But like everything else,
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  Speaker 4: these bills get come up. Everybody wants, well, put this in,
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  Speaker 4: put this in. Every time you put something in a bill,
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  Speaker 4: you're just asking for more opposition. And so that's why
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  Speaker 4: we're here where we are. It just doesn't make any
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  Speaker 4: sense to me. It's not a hard problem. Let the
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  Speaker 4: NCAA fix itself. But they can't do it until there's
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  Speaker 4: not this constant lawsuit going over and over and over
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  Speaker 4: every time they try to enforce something.
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  Speaker 2: Were you surprised? Because every SEC program is kind of
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  Speaker 2: its own bubble. And every town and every state has
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  Speaker 2: a little bit of its own bubble. But I was
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  Speaker 2: shocked at the level and the depths that LSU and
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  Speaker 2: the state government and everyone was willing to go to
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  Speaker 2: war for Lane Kiffin for so long. The answer seemed
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  Speaker 2: to me to be obvious the whole time. The reward
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  Speaker 2: is not worth the risk here for the players they're
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  Speaker 2: trying to bring in with all the lawsuit threats and
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  Speaker 2: they're going to kick you out. And it finally took
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  Speaker 2: the report being leaked that, hey, this is happening. They're
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  Speaker 2: going to vote on Thursday to remove LSU. And then
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  Speaker 2: all of a sudden an email and a letter is
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  Speaker 2: sent from Wade Roos, the president of LSU, to Greg
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  Speaker 2: Sankey saying, we consider this a moot point. All right, guys,
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  Speaker 2: you win. We filled out our roster. It's not going
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  Speaker 2: to be them. Were you surprised it took that long
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  Speaker 2: to get to that point, knowing what you know about LSU?
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  Speaker 3: I wasn't.
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  Speaker 4: And first of all, knowing what I know about Lane
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  Speaker 4: Kiffin and knowing what I know about LSU, if you
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  Speaker 4: guys recall, I spent five years there with Nick Saban
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  Speaker 4: back in 2000. And listen, it was one of the
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  Speaker 4: most fun five years of my coach. I absolutely love LSU.
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  Speaker 4: I love the people down there. But the level of
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  Speaker 4: passion that they have is it's pretty high on one end.
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  Speaker 4: But also what they're willing to do. I mean, these
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  Speaker 4: guys don't mind living in the gray area. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: all you got to do is look at the history
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  Speaker 4: of Louisiana politics. And, you know, they live in the gray.
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  Speaker 4: They're not afraid to be different. Um, they're proud of
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  Speaker 4: it as part of their culture. But like I said,
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  Speaker 4: it's easy to sit there and protest, but until you
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  Speaker 4: got to pay a price for it. And just like
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  Speaker 4: you said, it wasn't worth that. And so I wasn't
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  Speaker 4: surprised at both. I wasn't surprised at the fight, but
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  Speaker 4: I also wasn't surprised that eventually they were going to
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  Speaker 4: back down because they, uh, you know, the voice of
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  Speaker 4: reason sort of played out.
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  Speaker 2: You know, at one point, go ahead, hon. Oh yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I got, yeah. At one point you took over. For
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  Speaker 2: Lane Kiffin in Knoxville to be the head coach of Tennessee.
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  Speaker 2: So you saw kind of the aftermath of a Lane
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  Speaker 2: Kiffin coach program at that point. Do you buy into
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  Speaker 2: that he wants this to be happening? That any talk
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  Speaker 2: is good talk about his program and that? This is
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  Speaker 2: sort of a, hey, I'm happy about this. You know,
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  Speaker 2: that halftime speech was leaked about it's us against the world.
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  Speaker 2: Everybody hates you. They don't want us to succeed, all
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  Speaker 2: of that. Is this all good for Lane Kiffin? Or
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  Speaker 2: do you think that maybe he stepped in a little
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  Speaker 2: bit here and he didn't want it to go this far?
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  Speaker 3: Well, I can't speak for Lane. So I don't want
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  Speaker 3: to do it.
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  Speaker 4: But the one thing, you know, everybody talks about change
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  Speaker 4: and how much he– Lane has really not changed. He's
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  Speaker 4: kind of had his formula everywhere he's been, and he's
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  Speaker 4: mastered this era of social media, if we're just being honest.
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  Speaker 3: He really has. It was something I never embraced.
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  Speaker 4: I didn't like it, but he really owned it, and
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  Speaker 4: he's become really popular. I mean, he's a celebrity in
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  Speaker 4: a lot of ways. His popularity gets people excited, and
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  Speaker 4: when he went to Ole Miss and started winning, That was,
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  Speaker 4: you know, he parlayed that into this great job and
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  Speaker 4: a lot of money.
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  Speaker 3: And so he's mastered that social media.
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  Speaker 4: And outrage a little bit in ways, you know, I
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  Speaker 4: was at the Cowboys for five years, as you know,
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  Speaker 4: and there was no such thing as bad press in
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  Speaker 4: the eyes of Jerry Jones. I mean, he was the
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  Speaker 4: master at building excitement and enthusiasm around a program that
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  Speaker 4: And Lane's done the same thing, just in a different way.
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  Speaker 3: And so who am I to criticize? He's had tremendous success.
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  Speaker 4: He keeps, he got a lot of second and third
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  Speaker 4: and fourth chances in his coaching career. And a lot
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  Speaker 4: of that had to do with, you know, sort of
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  Speaker 4: his popularity and the brand he's created.
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  Speaker 1: Why do you think college game day is so nice
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  Speaker 1: to him? Instead of bringing up this topic of what
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  Speaker 1: went on and what we're all talking about, They're kind of,
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  Speaker 1: you know, they're talking about, like, welcome to LSU and
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  Speaker 1: it's all about football or whatever. And I'm thinking, man,
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  Speaker 1: what is the background of this whenever everyone is vitriol
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  Speaker 1: about this guy? He left his team and still wanted
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  Speaker 1: to coach. And there's people on game day saying, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: he should be able to. I don't understand that at all.
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  Speaker 4: You guys in the media ought to understand it better
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  Speaker 4: than anybody.
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  Speaker 3: I can't get it.
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  Speaker 4: You love guys that give you stories every day. So
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  Speaker 4: why would they want Lane Kiffin to go away?
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  Speaker 1: Because he's going to deliver.
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  Speaker 3: The goods every day. Give me some.
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  Speaker 4: Boy, it's getting boring here in college athletics. What's Lane
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  Speaker 4: going to say that I can write about? And so
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  Speaker 4: I've seen that in politics. I've seen that across the board.
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  Speaker 4: You know, the media loves these controversial figures. Because it
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  Speaker 4: gives them material, gives them clicks, and that's the world
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  Speaker 4: we're in right now.
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  Speaker 1: Hey, did you ever have a halftime speech like Kiffin delivered?
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  Speaker 3: Well, I'm just glad a lot of my stuff wasn't recorded.
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  Speaker 4: I'm not proud of a lot of things I said
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  Speaker 4: in the locker room.
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  Speaker 3: And I don't think any coach really wants it.
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  Speaker 2: No.
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  Speaker 3: But, you know, I mean, listen, I mean, Lane.
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  Speaker 4: Was getting his guys going. I mean, I give him,
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  Speaker 4: you know, you got to have a little chip on
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  Speaker 4: your shoulder. And most teams that win typically have some
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  Speaker 4: chip on their shoulder.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: And he's created that. He's created that. The world hates us.
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  Speaker 3: It's us against them.
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  Speaker 4: And that kind of mentality can really bring a team
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  Speaker 4: together and motivate them.
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  Speaker 3: And it certainly did that in game one.
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  Speaker 4: And so that part, you know, I think he's done
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  Speaker 4: a fabulous job of it. You know, the team wasn't distracted.
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  Speaker 4: They're focused. They're playing together. And they got a little
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  Speaker 4: rallying cry. And, you know, that's what you try to
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  Speaker 4: do every year as a coach. Bring your team together.
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  Speaker 4: Give them a little edge. Give them something to fight for.
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  Speaker 4: And he's created that.
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  Speaker 2: He's been great at it. We got to get into
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  Speaker 2: the clock situation. Oh, yeah. Michigan and Western Michigan, because
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  Speaker 2: I'm watching this and I recall sitting in what is
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  Speaker 2: now Nissan Stadium at the Music City Bowl between Tennessee
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  Speaker 2: and North Carolina. a game where you were the head coach,
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  Speaker 2: and celebrating my alma mater, Tennessee, what I thought was
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  Speaker 2: a win, only to see it later it wasn't a win,
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  Speaker 2: and leaving that stadium so pissed off about what I
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  Speaker 2: had just witnessed and not understanding fully what happened. And
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  Speaker 2: that sparked not one but two rule changes that moment.
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  Speaker 2: So you know a thing or two about clock issues
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  Speaker 2: at the end of a football game, right?
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  Speaker 4: Well, I've got to tell you, you know, there's– not
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  Speaker 4: many coaches who can truly relate to what he went through.
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  Speaker 4: But when I was watching that, I got a pit
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  Speaker 4: in my stomach. I hurt so bad for him because
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  Speaker 4: you're right. The music city bowl, we were playing North Carolina.
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  Speaker 4: I'll never forget it. And of course we had a
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  Speaker 4: game earlier in the year where it ended and we
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  Speaker 4: got called back. But of course we made a lot
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  Speaker 4: of mistakes in that one, but this one was egregious.
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  Speaker 4: And as you said, They had like 18 men on
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  Speaker 4: the field that clocked the ball. Two rules came out
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  Speaker 4: of it. The 10 second runoff in college football, which
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  Speaker 4: we didn't have at the time. And the clock rule
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  Speaker 4: where you have to have three seconds to clock it.
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  Speaker 4: If either one of those would have been implemented, which
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  Speaker 4: they should have been, we would have won the game.
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  Speaker 4: But I got to I got to say, you know,
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  Speaker 4: and listen, don't forget, I was a part of the
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  Speaker 4: Dez catch.
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  Speaker 3: I was coaching Dez.
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  Speaker 4: And then Blandino was defending this rule, and then all
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  Speaker 4: of a sudden the NFL changed it. So I've been
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  Speaker 4: a part of a lot of rule changes as a
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  Speaker 4: result of some tough losses. What I will tell you
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  Speaker 4: is I give that coach, Lance Taylor, just unbelievable, his
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  Speaker 4: press conference. And he took full responsibility, took accountability. He
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  Speaker 4: was proud of his team, did not complain about one
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  Speaker 4: time It motivated me, guys. I went back and watched
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  Speaker 4: my press conference. Because I watched his press conference. I said, man,
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  Speaker 4: that was incredible. And I would like my son to
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  Speaker 4: play for a guy like that. That's how you teach
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  Speaker 4: young people. I went back and watched mine. It wasn't
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  Speaker 4: as good as his. And, you know, I was young
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  Speaker 4: and had a lot of piss and vinegar. And I
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  Speaker 4: took responsibility. I said we could check. But, you know,
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  Speaker 4: I just couldn't let go. I was really angry. It
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  Speaker 4: affected me, and, you know, so I give him a
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  Speaker 4: lot of props. That's what great leadership looks like.
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  Speaker 2: Well, and you talked about the rules then, but also
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  Speaker 2: the difference in response now with immediately in the aftermath,
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  Speaker 2: it was you got the president of Western Michigan up there.
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  Speaker 2: You got Lance Taylor, the coach, and they're like, hey,
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  Speaker 2: we talked to him. They were transparent. We talked to
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  Speaker 2: Tony Petitti in the Big Ten. They showed us what happened.
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  Speaker 2: We buy what they're saying. We're okay with it. It's unfortunate.
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  Speaker 2: but we understand what they're saying. And then a couple
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  Speaker 2: of days later, coach, they come back and say, after
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  Speaker 2: further investigation, we don't buy their explanation. They didn't do
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  Speaker 2: the right thing by using a clock that wasn't the clock,
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  Speaker 2: which we all know there's a clock, not two clocks
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  Speaker 2: in a sporting contest. And they went off some other
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  Speaker 2: clock and saying that now they're going to fight it
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  Speaker 2: with the NCAA. They're going to fight it with a
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  Speaker 2: college football playoff committee. What do you think about the
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  Speaker 2: two responses? The initial one, followed by the follow-up once
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  Speaker 2: we start to get some more information about these two clocks?
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  Speaker 4: Well, when I heard about the initial one, I thought
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  Speaker 4: they had jumped the gun, to be frank with you.
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  Speaker 3: And look, I want to put this in two buckets.
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  Speaker 4: The coach, Coach Taylor, he needs to stay focused on,
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  Speaker 4: we take full responsibility and they got to get their
• 14:43
  Speaker 4: eyes full. But as an administrator and an AD, You
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  Speaker 4: need to figure out, number one, if there was some
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  Speaker 4: funny business going on. And then number two, we got
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  Speaker 4: to make sure this never happens again. Now, the number
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  Speaker 4: two part, it seems, has already been corrected. The NCAA
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  Speaker 4: put out, you know, an issue. And listen, I've always
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  Speaker 4: said this, too, about instant replay and all this other crap.
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  Speaker 4: It drives fans nuts. And I said, you know what
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  Speaker 4: we need? We need a drunk fan standard. If a
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  Speaker 4: drunk fan at the bar can look at the replay
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  Speaker 4: and and make an easy decision, and they're all in agreement,
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  Speaker 4: that's what the decision should be. They get in all
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  Speaker 4: these technicalities and all this crap, and nobody buys all that.
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  Speaker 4: But I would make sure from an administrative standpoint, I
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  Speaker 4: would like to see fully transparent how that process went about.
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  Speaker 4: And they need to prove what went wrong and how
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  Speaker 4: it went wrong. But look, I'm going to take them
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  Speaker 4: for their word until something else comes out. I think
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  Speaker 4: the most important thing through it all is this won't
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  Speaker 4: happen again because the NCAA issued the rule, which should
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  Speaker 4: have been in place from the beginning, that we're going
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  Speaker 4: to lean on what the fans are seeing. And, you know,
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  Speaker 4: the last point on this is one of my frustrations
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  Speaker 4: with college football so much.
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  Speaker 3: Is we have all these rules. What should we do here?
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  Speaker 3: What should we do here? But then what?
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  Speaker 4: Over in this bucket, we have the NFL, who has
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  Speaker 4: pumped billions of dollars into creating the greatest product in
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  Speaker 4: all of sports. And you can learn from what they do.
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  Speaker 4: They've done all the research. They've done all this. And
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  Speaker 4: it's just so easy to adopt what they do. And
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  Speaker 4: the NFL already had that rule in place, and college didn't.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, by the way, the drunk fan. Are we talking
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  Speaker 1: blackout drunk like LSU or Kentucky?
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  Speaker 3: The reasonably drunk fan.
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  Speaker 4: You know, maybe four or five beers in you or something.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you and I could play that role.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you've got to be conscious. Like, you can't be
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  Speaker 2: passed out. But you've got to be able to. Your eyes,
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  Speaker 2: both eyes are open, and you've got a little buzz
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  Speaker 2: going and you're watching the game. I like the drunk
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  Speaker 2: fan standard.
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  Speaker 4: Or, you know, I used to have this. My wife, Allison,
• 17:01
  Speaker 4: I would call it the Allison rule. You know, she
• 17:03
  Speaker 4: would just look at it and go, well, that's a catch.
• 17:07
  Speaker 4: She doesn't know all the technicality. And, you know, when
• 17:09
  Speaker 4: you peel back, I'm like, she's right. I mean, what
• 17:11
  Speaker 4: are we doing?
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: And I heard the different media members and people defending it.
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: Heather Denich at ESPN, I'm watching the next morning saying, hey,
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: I talked to the Big Ten, and it's perfectly reasonable.
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: Their clock showed this, and I'm thinking, I go back
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: to A Few Good Men where he asked them, Tom
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: Cruise asked Jack Nicholson, why the two orders? I'm thinking,
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: why the two clocks? How are we talking about two clocks?
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: How are we seeing something totally different? NBC's explaining it,
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: that we are synced up with the stadium, the stadium
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: clock in Ann Arbor, and somehow they're seeing a different clock.
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: I'm with you in that it's so obvious that it
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: should have been done immediately. Now, let me ask you
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: this moving forward. Is there any chance in your mind,
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: because you've been an AD before also, that anything actually
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: comes of this in terms of that game being overturned
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: in any way, and Michigan getting a loss and Western
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: Michigan getting the win? Because the Big Ten's basically admitted
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: fault now by saying they're going to show their replay
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: system to everyone moving forward.
• 18:14
  Speaker 4: Look, that's where I think we have to be careful
• 18:17
  Speaker 4: how we go forward on this. I do not believe
• 18:20
  Speaker 4: that they will be given the win. I mean, they're
• 18:23
  Speaker 4: not the first or last team who's been screwed. I mean,
• 18:27
  Speaker 4: think about the fifth down. I could go all through
• 18:29
  Speaker 4: college football history. I think the more important thing that
• 18:34
  Speaker 4: they need to do is figure out if something went wrong,
• 18:37
  Speaker 4: and there needs to be accountability for those people that
• 18:41
  Speaker 4: did something wrong.
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: But as far as getting that win.
• 18:43
  Speaker 4: Back, I mean– Hey, listen, you know, one of the
• 18:46
  Speaker 4: hardest things we have in society now is bad things happen.
• 18:51
  Speaker 4: Sometimes things aren't fair and you got to learn to
• 18:54
  Speaker 4: move on and deal with it.
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: You know, that's sort of how my generation grew up.
• 18:59
  Speaker 4: Nowadays, we have a generation when anything seems unfair, you know.
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: We got to get something back in return.
• 19:06
  Speaker 4: And it's like, I think the most important thing is
• 19:10
  Speaker 4: the consequences for the people who ever did anything wrong,
• 19:13
  Speaker 4: if they did something wrong in the first place. But
• 19:15
  Speaker 4: as far as getting the win back, I just don't
• 19:17
  Speaker 4: see that happening. You talk about a slippery slope. Here
• 19:21
  Speaker 4: we go. I mean, there may be lawsuits retroactive now,
• 19:25
  Speaker 4: getting wins.
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: So, I don't know, is LSU your top team right
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: now in the SEC? And what happens to that ranking
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: if Texas beats Ohio State? Georgia, of course, right there.
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: How do you kind of tier this as we go
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: into the heart of the season?
• 19:39
  Speaker 4: I still have concerns about LSU. And look, first of all,
• 19:42
  Speaker 4: I'm a homer, man. I'm all in for the dogs.
• 19:45
  Speaker 4: I'm all in for Kirby.
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: I think Gunner, you know, when you watch Georgia, first game,
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: now look, they didn't play anybody. I acknowledge that.
• 19:53
  Speaker 4: But it was about as clean a two quarters as
• 19:56
  Speaker 4: I've ever seen any team Kirby's.
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: Put out there. It was unbelievable.
• 20:00
  Speaker 4: And Gunner, Gunner, I think, is the most underrated quarterback
• 20:04
  Speaker 4: in college football. You know, everybody looks because he's got
• 20:07
  Speaker 4: great character and he's six feet tall. They just assume
• 20:11
  Speaker 4: he's just a gritty guy and that's it. What's underrated
• 20:15
  Speaker 4: are two things to me. I think he's the most
• 20:17
  Speaker 4: accurate passer in the SEC. Pure accuracy. And go watch
• 20:21
  Speaker 4: the tape. And the second thing is, look at his
• 20:24
  Speaker 4: clutch production.
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: He plays better the more important the down is.
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 20:30
  Speaker 4: It's like that old saying, you got to play your
• 20:33
  Speaker 4: best when your best is needed. Nobody did that better
• 20:36
  Speaker 4: in Gunner Stockton last season. And just look at the
• 20:39
  Speaker 4: games when it was all on the line. You guys
• 20:41
  Speaker 4: remember the Tennessee one.
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 20:44
  Speaker 4: And he's the only quarterback, by the way, that's won
• 20:46
  Speaker 4: an SEC championship. So let's don't forget that. So I'm
• 20:50
  Speaker 4: high on the dogs. Now, you look at the three
• 20:53
  Speaker 4: most talented rosters, in my opinion. Georgia, Texas, LSU. Talented
• 20:59
  Speaker 4: across the board. So then you go, well, who are
• 21:02
  Speaker 4: the quarterbacks? Arch, we all know he's super talented. I
• 21:07
  Speaker 4: think the two things Arch has to prove this year is, one,
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: his accuracy.
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: It's been inconsistent.
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: But the bigger issue is, in the biggest games against
• 21:17
  Speaker 4: the most elite defenses, when the pressure's coming, how are
• 21:21
  Speaker 4: you going to perform?
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: And that's the big hurdle he's got to clear.
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: I mean, you look at Just last year, I think
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: Ohio State seven points, Georgia 10 points. They played OU.
• 21:31
  Speaker 4: I think he only had about 160 yards passing. You know,
• 21:34
  Speaker 4: so that's going to be the key for Arch. Now,
• 21:36
  Speaker 4: you look at LSU's Sam Leavitt. I got real concerns
• 21:40
  Speaker 4: about his accuracy. And you saw it in the first drive.
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: A pick happens. And more importantly, when he's under pressure,
• 21:48
  Speaker 4: what happens? But what he's done in the.
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: Past is his legs have bailed him out.
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: And so the team that can apply pressure but keep
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: him in the pocket and force him to make throws,
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: I think that's going to be their Achilles heel. But
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: time will tell. Listen, week one, one thing I learned.
• 22:07
  Speaker 4: You never judge anything by week one. It's even more
• 22:10
  Speaker 4: prevalent in today's environment because these rosters are all new. Hell,
• 22:14
  Speaker 4: I'm going around going, where was he last year? It's
• 22:19
  Speaker 4: so hard the first week, all these quarterbacks. Wait, I
• 22:22
  Speaker 4: remember seeing this guy. Wasn't he on that team?
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: Chad, this has been awesome. It's been great. I got
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: one more for you because I was reminded of your
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: press conferences in listening to Brent Key at Georgia Tech
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: this week because– You know, they were talking about the
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: Tennessee matchup this week with Georgia Tech. And a reporter said, hey,
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: Josh Heupel was talking. He said he expects a really
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: physical game. And Brent Key jumped in and said, oh,
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: he did. He's like, was that before or after our
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: last game? And he said it was after the last game.
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: And he said, well, then Josh is being nice because
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: we were soft. in our first game of the year.
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: So if he thinks it's going to be physical, then
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: he's just being nice to us because we weren't physical
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: at all. And I'm like, I like that bit of
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: honesty from Brent Key, a guy who has built that
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: program around toughness and running the football, right? What do
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: you think about that and that level of transparency and honesty?
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: But also, like you mentioned earlier, probably a way to
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: motivate his football team to not look the way they
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: did on that Thursday night game against Colorado.
• 23:23
  Speaker 4: Well, I'm a big fan of Brent Key, but I
• 23:25
  Speaker 4: can't say I'm a fan of Tapp being a Georgia guy. But,
• 23:29
  Speaker 4: you know, I was probably too honest, Chad. I think
• 23:33
  Speaker 4: there's probably a balance of honesty and transparency, but, you know,
• 23:36
  Speaker 4: you can.
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: Also affect your team by being too honest.
• 23:39
  Speaker 4: You know, you got to get a player to believe
• 23:41
  Speaker 4: he can do things that he doesn't think he can believe.
• 23:44
  Speaker 4: And I look back and that might have been one
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: of many faults that I had as a coach. Man,
• 23:50
  Speaker 4: I'd call it like it was and maybe that wasn't
• 23:53
  Speaker 4: the best motivating.
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: Tactic for some of our players.
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: You know, the great coaches really I've been around have
• 23:59
  Speaker 4: an element of brainwashing their players into thinking there's something
• 24:02
  Speaker 4: they're not.
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: And so I think it was a great line.
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: I love Brent, but I'm pretty confident he's going to
• 24:09
  Speaker 4: rally after that first game. That was a tough loss
• 24:12
  Speaker 4: for him. So that'll be an interesting one. And, you know, look,
• 24:15
  Speaker 4: the other interesting game for me this week is Oklahoma, Michigan.
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: And, you know, I think Oklahoma better be careful because,
• 24:24
  Speaker 4: you know, it's easy to sit there and say Michigan's
• 24:27
  Speaker 4: no good after that first one. Man, you talk about
• 24:30
  Speaker 4: backs against the wall, hungry to prove something. And it
• 24:33
  Speaker 4: might have been even more so had they lost. So
• 24:37
  Speaker 4: that'll be a big test. And, you know, I'm kind
• 24:40
  Speaker 4: of hoping selfishly Oklahoma wins so we can get a
• 24:43
  Speaker 4: 330 kick in Athens instead of a night game.
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: I won't be too honest, by the way. The honesty,
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: I think it's happening in Indiana. It's happening in Oregon.
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: It's happening in Michigan this week with their quarterback and
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: head coach. And it works. It works with those programs.
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: Well, hey, listen, it's great to be here, man.
• 25:05
  Speaker 4: I talked about state for the last year when I
• 25:09
  Speaker 4: lost my mind and went to politics.
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: It's good to get back.
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: In the sport mode. And so I appreciate you guys
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: having me on. And I hope to be back.
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: We are two guys that are way more in sport
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: mode than state mode also. So we appreciate you joining us.
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: Thanks for the intro to the show too, Coach. Really
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: appreciate it. We'll get you on again soon to talk
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: some ball. Thank you so much.
• 25:29
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• 25:32
  Speaker 2: PlayTravisLaw.com, Coach. That's right. Thank you. Thank you, bud.
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: He's awesome, man. I love Dooley so much.
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: He's also great because he has a reference to everything. Absolutely.
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: He was an athletic director at Louisiana Tech and a
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: head coach. He's been a head coach in the SEC
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: at Tennessee. He's been a coordinator in the SEC at Missouri.
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: He worked for Nick Saban for years. He coached for
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: Jerry Jones, the Dallas Cowboys. In the NFL, he's been
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: a lawyer like Clay and has that legal background too.
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: So that will not be the last time you see
• 26:07
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• 26:08
  Speaker 3: Love that one.
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: I would say this too. You don't learn how to
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: do this.
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: This is a gift. You're able to speak to somebody
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: for five minutes and you feel like you've known them
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: for five years. That's Derek Dooley because he has a
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: reference to everything that he can, and a scope that's
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: a lot of fun. We need to get the historical
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: references going too, some history lessons, Chad.
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: The drunk fan standard. I'll remember that now.
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: The drunk fan standard is.
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: Drunk fan standard for replay is perfect.
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: I mean, he's the commissioner of that league right there.
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: Hey, Hutton, you mentioned it. I want to get into
• 26:42
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• 26:44
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• 26:45
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  Speaker 2: Just talk to Derek Dooley about the whole issue at
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: LSU versus the SEC and them eventually relenting. The amount
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: of LSU fans, I am all for you defending your school, okay?
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: But the amount of fans, not just fans, Glenn Gilbo,
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: a guy that we worked with, who's written a column
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: about this and continues to tweet me about it, acting
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: like LSU won something in this, that they exposed the SEC. How?
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: I do not understand this, okay? Philip writes, I'm going
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: to read this tweet and then explain. This is like
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: our old mashed carrots back in the day. I don't
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: see it that way. I see is LSU exposed the
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: weakness in the rules from the NCAA and the SEC.
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: Rules sometimes don't get solidified until challenged. That's how most
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: of the rules of law are created. Rule or non-defined
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: rules have to be challenged to get the final rule
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: or law. If you are arguing this, you are arguing
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: that LSU did this in order to implement a rule
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: that wasn't on the books, which it was, by the way,
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: about playing people who had signed pro contracts, It's against
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: the rules. There's just been separate people who have filed
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: motions in courts to say that it's not against the rules.
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: But if you're arguing that you're acting like LSU was
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: this white knight who had to challenge the system in
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: order to define a rule, when in fact you are arguing, well,
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: they exposed the weakness of the SEC. The weakness of
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: the SEC that was exposed... when you submitted to the
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: rule of the SEC. In the end of all this,
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: this thing ended when LSU bowed down and sent a
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: letter to the commissioner saying, hey, we're all on the
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: same team here. We agree. This issue is now moot.
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: We've fully rostered non-NFL players on our roster as you
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: wished and as SEC rules allow. We're living in a
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: fantasy land here, if you think it's anything other than that.
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: This is no different, I think, than the major college
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: football towns where you're in your own bubble and it's
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: an echo chamber.
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: Oh, sure.
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: Where you have the Attorney General saying they're going to
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: take all measures. It's headline news more than it is sports.
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: The governor, again, and Dooley pointed out the history of
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: the Louisiana government getting involved in athletics, but even the
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: Attorney General's commenting that Sankey got up there and refused
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: to answer questions, acting like he didn't know answers to
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: certain rules. And that's where they're trying to say they exposed. Well, again,
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: it's stupid, but that's the echo. They're repeating what they're
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: hearing in their reports.
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: We're going to tie this back to Michigan and Western Michigan.
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: There are times where there's not a clear-cut winner and loser.
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: That is an example. Western Michigan should have won that game.
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: They didn't. Michigan got the extra play. There's some gray
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: area there. You're really searching for the gray area to
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: not see what everyone else, everyone that's not associated with
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: the state of Louisiana or LSU sees this very clearly.
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: You are the exception. You are the problem. If you
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: do not understand that the way this thing ended was
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: you tried to do something The SEC said, don't do it.
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: You continue to try to do it. The SEC threatened
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: you with expulsion. You continue to act like you were
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: going to do it. And finally, the day before the
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: vote was going to happen or two days before, you
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: relented and you said, you're right. You're our daddy. We
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: won't do it. And that is a loss for you.
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: That's clear cut. Now, if you want to get into
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: the real losers here or the players that got duped
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: into leaving and trying to get cut from their NFL
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: team or wanting to do this other than that, that's
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: a separate issue. I'm going to tell you the true
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: loser in this, Hutton. If they sue LSU and it
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: goes to discovery and they have to start to show
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: text and and calls that were made from Lane Kiffin's
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: staff to these players to get them to violate an
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: NFL contract. LSU's already a loser in this. You could
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: be a true loser if it comes to that point,
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: and you're found to have been tampering with NFL contracts
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: or players that were currently on an NFL roster at
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: that point. That's neither here nor there. We're shutting the
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: book on that for now. Bryce Underwood in Michigan.
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: I just want to add in, that would also be
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: tied to Rosenhaus. Instead of just the team or the player,
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: it would be Rosenhouse Sports who's really pumping it from
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: the player's perspective.
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: He's representing the player.
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: And I think the reaction from the fans specifically, the
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: average drunk fan, as Dooley said, I would say this
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: reaction would have happened at the major level of college
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: programs at Ole Miss last year if Kiffin had stayed.
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: the fan base would be up in arms over this.
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: Same thing at Texas. The list goes on and on.
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: Certainly at Ohio State, we would be seeing the same
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: reaction in that area. I don't know about from the
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: government perspective, but from the fan base perspective on socials,
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: for sure. They act like they're good enough.
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: They're good as it is.
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: I don't think one of the players would have even started.
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: I think he was a third stringer.
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: We know how fans react to things, so I'm not
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: shocked or surprised at By that, you're just really reaching
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: if it's like we're exposing something here. Your goal was
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: to play those players. Just a week ago, all LSU
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: fans were arguing how they should be allowed to play.
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: And Clay wrote about this, I think, really well. Same
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: LSU fans who are bitching about Charles Bediako playing at
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: Alabama are now okay with it when it's happening for
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: their school.
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  Speaker 3: Right, right, right. Exactly.
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  Speaker 2: I bet I can go back and find an article
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: from Glenn Gilbo that's bemoaning Alabama playing Charles Badiaco at
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: some point, and now it's like, oh, we're exposing the
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: ills of the SEC and the NCAA. Give me a break.
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: Come on.
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: Jet, I've got a side issue with the whole Bryce
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: Underwood presser. I want to let you set this up, though,
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: for your reaction because mine's going to be different, I think.
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: So Bryce Underwood, highly paid quarterback at Michigan. Yes. Not
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: a good first year. He's regressed, it looked like, before
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: game one. Kyle Whittingham was asked about it the day
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: before we're going to play this clip, and he was
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: asked about his quarterback situation. He said, look, it's not
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: an infinite thing. He's got to be better. He's our
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: quarterback right now, but that could change. The opposite of
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: what we would call a vote of confidence, a true
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: vote of confidence from the head coach, was the answer
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: that Kyle Whittingham gave. So now we're going to show
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: you Bryce Underwood when a reporter brought up what Kyle
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: Whittingham said. This is Bryce Underwood's response.
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  Speaker 3: Your reaction to McCutcheon's comments about how your job isn't permanent?
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: It was comments about that?
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he said that your job isn't infinite. You know,
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: that's the starter. That's cool.
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  Speaker 2: I see that.
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: What's your reaction? It's cool.
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: It's cool. Cool. That's cool. That's cool. That was the
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: response from Bison Underwood. Hutton, your response to that?
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: How does the media relations department not prep him for this?
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: How's that possible? You know you're going to be asked
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: about it. It happened yesterday. Good point.
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: 24 hours later.
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: He looks just nonchalant and carefree about this way too much.
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: But the response by Michigan's SIDs were even worse. They
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: didn't prep him for the question that would have you
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: banned if you were in Nashville.
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: That's a great angle I was not thinking about, but
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: you're right. That would have gotten that reporter banned in
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: Nashville and a terrible job by the Media Relations Department
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: of Michigan. Here's what I saw with Bryce Underwood. He
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: looks like a dude who got paid a ton of
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: money who doesn't really care. That's how he comes across
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: when he gives that response. He's got zero enthusiasm about him.
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: He's not going to follow up with any explanation as
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: to how he's the leader of the team. And he
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: wants to prove that. There seems to be very little motivation.
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: I'm just judging this based on his body language.
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: Right, I agree.
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: And now he answered with coo, coo. That's coo. He
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: sounds like a guy who's also like, you know what?
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: If they bench me, fine. I believe so much in
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: myself and my value, even though the value has diminished
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: since his time at Michigan, that I can just go
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: in the transfer portal and go somewhere else and get
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: paid a ton of money again to go somewhere else.
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: He would get paid to go somewhere else. I don't
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: think it's as much as he's getting paid right now.
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: If he ends up benched at Michigan, it's going to
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: be a lot less. It's going to be a bargain
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: basement discount deal. But you still could leave and go
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: get paid and go start somewhere if you're Bryce Underwood
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: because he's such a highly thought-of talent that will be
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: given another chance. But that, to me, it struck me
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: as a guy who is unmotivated, who got fat and
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: happy with his paychecks, who thinks that he is entitled–
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: to the starting job at Michigan, who probably isn't getting
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: along with his head coach, who's a bit more of
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: a hard-ass than what he's been accustomed to. I see
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: big problems at Michigan, and not just because of their
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: play in that first game. I see big problems with
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: Bryce Underwood and his head coach.
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: But Michigan has a skill, just briefly, they have a
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: skill of turning a problem into a solution somehow. because
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: they fall forward whenever they fall. They hire the coach
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: who is, at my perception of this, and again, we
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: don't know, maybe they did prep him for these questions
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: and that was his response. That's even worse.
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: But they fall forward when they need a coach who
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: came in late to the process because he was available.
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: with everything going down in Michigan, and he ends up
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: being the perfect coach, which we pointed out during the time,
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: he's the perfect guy to come in and recreate the
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: brand and the standard of what it means to play
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: for the Wolverines. And he's shooting people straight. You can
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: tell by his answer about the quarterback who's getting paid
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: a lot. He's not putting up with the same stuff
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: that was there, that brought Underwood there to begin with.
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: That's great for Michigan, even though right now things don't
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: look that great. They get an extra play, and somehow
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: they complete a Hail Mary. I mean, that's what the quarterback–
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: I'm just thinking, like, they fall, but they fall forward.
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: It works out generally in their– it normally goes in
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: their favor, despite the bad press that they have.
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: They didn't have– they won the championship. Yeah, all the
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: stuff with Jim Harbaugh, they still win the national title
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: that year. The Jawan Howard punching staff members eventually getting
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: fired and hitting rock bottom, and that leads them to
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: Dusty May, who quickly turns it around and wins the
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: national title. for Michigan. Sharone Moore, I do believe there's
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: some program rot from Sharone Moore with that team, and
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: I think we saw that in the first game. I
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: think Bryce Underwood is a symptom of that, honestly. That's
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: a guy who committed to play for Sharone Moore. He
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: got paid a ton of money to go do it,
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: and he ain't the guy. I think Michigan fans, if
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: they're being honest, with themselves right now, they know he
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: ain't the guy.
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: And he didn't have the spring portal. He didn't have
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: the spring portal. Nope. Chad, coming up, we've got some
• 39:41
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  Speaker 2: How about that? Who are you going with on your lock?
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: So Hutton, here's what I know about James Franklin. We
• 41:10
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• 41:14
  Speaker 2: from yesterday. So I'll go ahead and tell you the
• 41:16
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• 41:19
  Speaker 2: Virginia Tech, I think this is a perfect marriage of
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: coach and job. James Franklin, he performs well in games
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: against inferior competition where you're going to get some excitement going.
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: Where James Franklin falters, we saw at Penn State, is
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: against teams that are as good as his team or better.
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: And most teams falter against better teams. Old Dominion is
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: not a better team than Virginia Tech. Virginia Tech and
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: James Franklin will continue to build the energy train moving
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: forward and get this team where they need to go
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: with their fan base. They are going to blow the
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: doors off of Old Dominion. Virginia Tech, 11 a.m. Central
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: kickoff at Lane Stadium. I think they're a 20.5-point favorite
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: in this game. Strike up the band. Virginia Tech's going
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: to win by way more than that.
• 42:09
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• 42:09
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• 42:13
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• 42:17
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• 42:22
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• 42:28
  Speaker 1: last week, Chad. I'm with Coach Dooley. They've handled everything properly.
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: They've handled it the right way. They have leadership and
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: they have a standard that the players... I've responded with
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: as well. I think they're mature. I think they know
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: how to handle the week. And they'll let the business
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: be handled by the business leaders. I think they handle
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: business on Saturday. Give me Western Michigan to be 2-0
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: going into Sunday.
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: I love how we're not pussyfooting around here on this show.
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: We're going right in. We're going for big lines. We're
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: not taking the 1.5 points, bro. You're going 27.5. I'm
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: going 20.5. Let's take those big numbers. I'll also find,
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: and maybe this is just psychological with me, I have
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: way more success at 11 a.m. kickoffs and late, late
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: night games than I do throughout the day. When I'm
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  Speaker 2: betting with Hard Rock Bet throughout a college football Saturday,
• 43:22
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  Speaker 2: the 11 a.m. games, and the late games. So when
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: I started looking for the lock this week, I was
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: looking at 11 a.m. Central kickoff, 12 p.m. Eastern at
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: Virginia Tech. And that's why I'm taking James Franklin in
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: the Hokies. I also think that James Franklin will do
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: a good job this week, next week against East Carolina,
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: and then against James Madison. He's got an opportunity here
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: to really get something going for Virginia Tech, at least
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: early in their season. Sorry, it's at Maryland next week,
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: at Boston College, as they get into a Big Ten
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: game and then ACC play. I think he's going to
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  Speaker 2: get off to a hot start at Virginia Tech and
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  Speaker 2: get people talking about that program.
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  Speaker 2: I teased some of the lines out. I took Tennessee, Chad,
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: at minus 9.5. I love that.
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: I love that based on the 12.5. And Marshall against
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: my alma mater, MTSU. I teased that down by two points, but...
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: they'll probably double the spread in that. Tonight, I'm going
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: anytime touchdown. I mean, I would combine. It's like minus 125,
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: I think, for Christian McCaffrey. That means he's scoring.
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: Vegas always knows. The guy gets to the end zone.
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: And hopefully just for a good game. Right now, it's
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: the 49ers favored. Excuse me, getting four points. Rams on
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: a quick turn. Favored by four points in this one.
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: Even though I lost out picking the underdog to win
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: outright last night with the Patriots, should have been, would have,
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: could have, should have in that game for the Patriots
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: and for me with my bet. I think I'd probably
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: go back to the well, and I'm going with a
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: team that's embedded in the country for longer. I think
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: the 49ers win outright tonight on the money line against
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: the Rams. I think the Rams are going to be fine.
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: The Rams are still my Super Bowl pick from the NFC,
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: but I think the 49ers get it done tonight.
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• 46:38
  Speaker 2: You got Tennessee minus nine and a half. Is that right? Yes.
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: Very interested in what this last 10 days has been
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: like for Georgia Tech. Based on Brent Key telling everyone
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: in the media that his team is soft. They didn't
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: play physical. They got whipped. I'm thinking it has been
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: a physical rough night. Ten days getting ready for this
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: Tennessee game for Georgia Tech after the way they looked
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: against Colorado. I expect to see a different Georgia Tech team. Also,
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: based on what I saw, Tennessee's a more talented team.
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: I mean, and they play really well against an inferior opponent.
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: So I don't mind your bet, Hutton, is what I'm
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: saying for Tennessee and Georgia Tech. Tennessee should be able
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: to run the football, especially if Faison Brandon's legs are
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: involved in the run game. And Tennessee's got some really
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: good receivers, too, as Mike Matthews showed off in that
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: first week. So it feels like a good week for Tennessee.
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: I would say this about the matchup. Georgia Tech, very
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: well coached. Same as Michigan. But at Georgia Tech, those
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: are his dudes. They will listen to his message and
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: his coaching, right? Michigan's going to have to prove it
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: against Oklahoma. Looking forward to tomorrow. We'll get you into
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: the weekend, talking some ball. Enjoy the entire slate of
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